I’m not a very traditional girl. For example, at my wedding, my only bridesmaid carried my son (her godson) down the aisle ahead of me. I do believe that was a fairly strong indication to the assembled guests that the bride was not a virgin.
As much as I’ve loved them, every wedding I’ve attended has been pretty much the same. Beautiful bride in long white dress, gorgeous bridesmaids in matching colours and men in suits. The feminist in me is sometimes surprised at this standard wedding fare. And let’s be honest, it’s a little samey.
Is it time the modern bride got a feminist make-over? April Fraser (pseudonym), feminist and mother-of-the-bride writes in the SMH:
In many ways, I was an outstanding mother of the bride. I smiled and supported and suggested. I accepted all decisions about the guest list. I praised the choices of colour scheme and table layouts. I did none of the expected interfering. But, in truth, that part was easy: I had no opinions. In other ways, of course, I was useless. I could not provide the reassuringly confident judgments needed on flower combinations or style of photography or lettering on the wedding invitations.
Having spent the ’70s fighting the common assumption that a traditional wedding was every girl’s dream, I was stunned to discover that it seemed to have become exactly that. I had failed to take in that the traditional wedding had made such a spectacular comeback and, more shockingly, that it had resurrected itself with (almost) all the gender-role trimmings in place.
How had that happened? In the ’70s, I naively thought we were fighting off gender assumptions not only for ourselves but also for women of the future. Why should it be the man’s job to propose? We just agreed to get married. Why should I advertise my unavailability when he did not? I had no engagement ring. Most publicly of all, why should I be given away by a man? I remember enjoying our small visual contribution to the feminist cause as my mother and I walked down the aisle together.
And then, more than 30 years later, what did I find in my daughter’s 21st-century wedding organiser? That if the bride’s mother is a widow, the bride should be given away by “a relative of mature years, an uncle for example”. Oh, and that the toastmaster should refer to the bride’s mother in the absence of the father as “Mrs John Jones”.
I can hardly claim to have been the most rebellious bride of my era, though. I did wear a white dress (bought off the peg); I did have two bridesmaids (in summer frocks); and the bridegroom did wear a suit (wide-lapelled, flared brown pinstripe, clashing beautifully with the best man’s mauve). I reassured myself that we embraced those traditional elements to appease our parents. Now we, in the parental role ourselves, are embracing them again, only this time to appease our daughters.
For ageing feminists like me, our daughters’ decision to go for the full froth-and-flowers function can be baffling – even something of a betrayal. My three strong and independent daughters and their friends expect to be proposed to, advertise their status with expensive engagement rings and agree that it is the groom’s duty to decide on the honeymoon destination. They also seem prepared to plan the wedding details for months. The wedding industry, of course, has risen magnificently to the occasion and expectations seem to have grown exponentially. In the 1970s, our photographer stayed for an hour, did three other weddings on the same day and delivered the proofs by the end of the reception. Now the photographic event begins with a prenuptial photo shoot, followed by dawn-to-dusk digital recording of the day itself.
Does feminism have a place in weddings? Do women give it all up for the one day they want to be treated like a princess in a Disney movie? Did you have any modern touches at your wedding or was it traditional all the way? If you’re not married and think you might like to be one day, what do you have in mind?







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Your article has proven useful to me. It’s quite informative and you’re obviously really knowledgeable in this region. You’ve got opened my eyes to varying views on this topic with intriguing and solid content.
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WE felt the same about most weddings being ‘samey’. We already had a one year old daughter and couldnt justify spending vast amounts of money when there were other things we would prefer to do with it… so we eloped to Thailand and got married in secret on the beach, and sent everyone, including our parents, a text message afterwards to tell them.
We loved it!
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Oh I love weddings! Life is too short, celebrate everything! A party with all your friends, family from overseas, booze on tap, your dad getting his speech on – what could be better?
Many people were very surprised when I took my husbands name as I’d always been very independent. And it was a decision to make, not a given. In the end it was about kids. My own parents got married when I was three as I was asking my my mums name was different to mine and it was cheaper for them to marry than to change mums name. My brothers partner also said how much she hated people asking her if her daughter was hers as she had a different, and these are the reasons we decided to.
Each to their own. We didn’t go into all the wedding hype, no fussy extras for us. Saying that though, I do love weddings where people have put in all the effort. Bring on the parties!
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This is interesting, I never thought of these things to be part of feminism. I always just thought of it as personal choice. And we married because I wanted the same name as my husband (the illusion that marriage is “till death do us part” was destroyed by growing up as in a patchwork family), so when i was pregnant we decided together to get married, no engagement ring (as too many couples we know get engaged to be married at a later date… maybe next year maybe in 10 years… and then seperate?!?), no white dress (because i couldnt find one i liked and fitted into so shortly after birth), we walked down the aisle together but i never saw that as rebellion against anything it was just personal choice.
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What is with the name change? The dressing up I get, food, photos etc, yep, but the name change I don’t. And getting everything changed legally? Also I tend to find that women in my professional circle don’t change their names as their degrees, publications and reputations are staked on one name.
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Surely feminism is about choosing the traditions you like but not being bound to the ones you don’t. I didn’t wear white (but a pale pistachio silk/linen and Mui Mui shoes!), I was married in Florence with only my husband, the celebrant and two witnesses in attendance and it was still such a treasured, happy day. But I did change my name, because for me, that mattered. I wanted us to have the symbolism of being a family and I wanted my children to have the same name as me AND the same name as their dad. When you judge people for the traditions they choose to take on you are being just as misogynistic as when you judge people for the traditions they choose to reject.
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I really struggled with this when I got married in January. I wondered why I was having bridesmaids, why I needed to invite people to share such a personal moment. I struggled with the whole concept of fitting into dome traditional ideal. I wondered if marriage even means something after watching my mum get married three times and divorced as many.
But then from the other perspective, I knew how important it was to my partner (and in a growing sense to me) that we publicly acknowledge our decision to spend our lives together. I knew how excited our families and friends were to share in this with us.
So – what we decided was to keep what we wanted and to get rid or what we didn’t want. We got married in a garden and had our reception by the beach. We had a female celebrant perform the legal stuff, and my brother did the service. I walked myself down the aisle (tried to convince my partner to also walk down…all about equality…but he wasn’t keen, haha) and didn’t even invite my father to the wedding.
I didn’t wear something old, borrowed or blue. I didn’t do wedding favors (instead we made a donation to http://www.kiva.org on behalf of each guest).
I did wear a white dress, and had three bridesmaids (my sisters). We had groomsmen but they didn’t wear jackets or ties. We didn’t have a maid of honor or best man (no playing favorites). We had two little flower girls (nieces) dressed in tutu’s.
We spent the night before the wedding apart (as is traditional) and didn’t see each other on the day until the ceremony (this was mostly because he got to sleep in until 10, while I was up at 7.30 being preened).
It was a perfect day and I can see the value in many ways of this tradition. In hindsight I wonder why I worried and fussed so much about whether i was conforming too much – and why I didn’t just relax and give myself permission to be a little old school and traditional because sometimes traditions are fun (e.g., turned out to be a lot of fun having my sisters all dressed up and joining in the day with me).
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The white wedding doesn’t really have that significance for those of us born after Feminism. The dodgier symbols don’t mean what they used to for us because the idea women aren’t total equals is just so ridiculous… I’d wear a wedding ring but if someone tried to suggest i was now owned by my husband I’d laugh in their face. But you’re right, weddings are boring. And all the fuss over the right invitations and shades in the flowers…no one cares, we just want to get to the reception lol.
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I was never one for a traditional wedding, we decided to go to Vegas and get married in the middle of the desert in the most beautiful location. Then we travelled around America, it was what we wanted to do and I have no regrets to this day, but convincing friends and family it was the right choice for us was hard.
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Must be a Kris thing, Kris! I would get married in Vegas (Nevada, as you did) in a second, as part of a trip for me and him. I used to work processing name changes etc for State Super, and I was THRILLED by the amount of chicks who had a similar name, and also had a similar birthday to me!
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Daughter at 30 decided on a White Wedding. Only 10 years after writing “feminist” tracts for a book compilation. Even changed her name.
I was unable to perform the traditional role of giving her away as I felt i did not own her to give her away. I still feel the same way towards her as I always have and care for her and provide a level of financial support. So what was to give away?
Even walking down the aisle to leave her with her husband was almost too symbolic for me. But if that is what she wanted….
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Fatty and my wedding was quite bonkers. But really did you expect anything less?
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A unique wedding for a unique couple I’d say
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Do tell Danya!
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I am 26 years old and am soon to celebrate my 2nd wedding anniversary.
My now husband and I spoke about marriage and how we wanted to spend the rest of our lives together… he then found an engagement ring for me, and I found one for him – and with each others approval, we bought them.
He was the one to propose.
We were then engaged for a year and a half as we planned our elopement…
He picked my wedding dress when I couldn’t decide between 3! And to be honest, the tears in his eyes as he saw me in the third dress when he declared THAT was the dress he wanted to marry me in really made my decision a no brainer!
We walked each other down the aisle to signify that we were making a conscience decision to give ourselves to each other.
We invited immediate family and a small number of close friends (16 total at my wedding!) to the actual wedding and the next weekend at the Engagement Party we played our guests the video of us getting married to the shock of all! After all, they thought they were invited to an Engagement Party, not a Reception!
Did we do it that way to defy tradition? No.
Did we do it that way because that’s what we wanted? Yes!
Did I take great pleasure in not conforming? Hell to the Yes!
I’m often asked if I would do it the same way again if given the chance, my response is always the same ‘in a heartbeat’.
I am truly grateful to all of the women who fought so hard for all of the rights and privileges I am entitled to.
Thank-you!
However… I have friends that want the virginal white wedding and I say good on them – if that’s what they want, then they should be able to have that without judgement, though it is worth noting that those are also the people who have asked me if I regret my decisions regarding my wedding!
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You are an inspiration. =)
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that’s awesome.
And isn’t it wonderful to look back and say, hey, you know what, I did it OUR way, because we wanted to.
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What is with the price of the stuff? I realise the pharmacist´s time for explain it and making sure it is safe for the user , but the cost to them is like over 20 dollars for a drug that cost hardly anything to make and has been available for years. Another example of drug companies upping the price o something people are to embarassed to argue about.
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I’ll be honest all I want for my wedding is perhaps this guy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zqkSMOTq50 plus the wedding singer from the movie, The Hangover. Why? Because weddings are ridiculous. Pure and simple. But if everyone else could keep having one that would be great because I do love free booze and three course dinners. KTHX.
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I wore an emerald green dress (with a scarlet tulle underskirt) and walked up to the ceremony myself (in the Sydney Botanic gardens.) No best man or bridesmaids or bucks/hens night either. I didn’t do it as a feminist statement though, we just liked the idea of an outdoor ceremony, I chose a green dress because it suited my redhead complexion and we didn’t feel we needed attendants on the day. I don’t really care if other women want the full old fashioned fairytale though, I’m more judgemental about the stupid amounts of money spent I think.
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Cool sounding dress, Mel!
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I want a fairly traditional wedding in that there will be rings exchanged, vows, suit and dress etc. Not sure about bridal party yet..But I want it kind of serious because marriage is something to be taken seriously (as well as fun).
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Yeah, I’d like to think I was a feminist bride, even if it wasn’t a concientious choice to be ‘a feminist bride’ – I just wanted to do things our way.
So… we got married at home, in our backyard, without about 70 or so guests (and that was a massive number blow out). We stood around and had beers with our mates before the ceremony, and then the celebrant asked everyone to assemble outside and we came out together, me, Nick and my daughters. It was lovely. He wore black jeans, a shirt and volleys, I wore a dress my mother and I made from black fabric and some gorgeous white lace – not what I had originally intended to wear! (I wanted to wear jeans and a tshirt!) But what we created from some fabrics that we found and loved.
We catered ourselves, asked a few friends to make some desserts.
We didn’t have rings. Neither of us are that in to jewellery, so it was a pointless exercise, exchanging rings.
We asked each of our dads to read some hilarious exerpts from a couple of books a friend gave us, ‘dont’s for wives’ and ‘donts for husbands’.
In place of the traditional giving away, the celebrant asked our friends and family if they would support us in our lives together, to which there was a resounding, and heart warming ‘YES!’
There was not a hint of ‘honour and obey’, rather, heartfelt words, and “do you promise to be a fabulous husband”… I laughed and joked the whole way through… it was a beautiful, glorious intepretation of a traditional rite that I had all my life advocated doing away with.
OMG, and the flowers! So N had brought home stacks of fluffy white crysanthemums from his work, and we had lots of vases of crysanthemums spread around the house. It was beautiful… I ended up with a boquet (!) because there was 3 gorgeous roses out the front of my parents house, from a bush called ‘Julia’s rose’ (my sister’s name, I think I gave it to them when she was born?) that the night before I asked my mum if she could cut and bring over for a boquet.
And we didn’t have a wedding cake – instead a dessert table. Cos I love dessert. So it was amazing, beautiful. A great day had by all. The whole thing was very mutually planned and organised too – I think that’s significant. Because I’m a terrible decision maker and not prepared to shoulder all/the bulk of the responsibility for what is supposed to be *our* day. Plus, obv N wanted a say in it, to us that seemed completely normal but I understand that often, brides don’t want their groom involved at all.
AND WE DIDN’T HAVE BUCK’S/HEN’S NIGHTS. Again, a mutual decision, but this whole ‘last night of freedom’ thing is bullshit, insulting and demeaning to the commitment we were making (and had already made) to each other.
And… I was a member of off-beat bride as well.
East side bride was a really great blog I read as too, those blogs are great and very reassuring.
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OK – I really don’t see how this tradition thing has anything to do with feminism and women’s choices…
The whole white dress thing isn’t a very old tradition, anyway – only since the time of Queen Victoria. Before that, women just wore their best dress, regardles of colour (…I think).
If you look at other cultures around the world, they all have their traditions they do with their weddings too, like Indians and the red outfit and walk around the fire (I think that ceremony might just be Hindus?)
What’s wrong with embracing a part of your culture? I’ve been to weddings of all different sorts of cultures, and some of mixed race couples where there has been more than one ceremony, and dammit, they were fun! I LIKE being a part of tradition that has been handed down through the centuries.
If you don’t want to wear a white dress and say religious vows and have your father give you away, you don’t have to.
But for god’s sake, make it about being YOUR CHOICE instead of saying you’re a feminist or flaunting traditions. If those are the reasons you’re doing it, then they’re the wrong ones, and negative ones. Do it because YOU WANT TO, not because you’re being rebellious! What a childish reason!
I’ll let you in on a little secret: no one cares what colour dress you’re wearing on your wedding day. They’re just happy to be able to share your special day with you.
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Well said. The whole idea that having the traditional white wedding is somehow anti-feminist seems kind of crazy. Your wedding should reflect you and your partner, whether you doing things to traditional way or not. Weddings should not be so political, it should be about what you want because at the end of the day it’s what you have to look back on and hopefully remember as one of the happiest days of your life.
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I wore white and my dad gave me away. Not because of tradition, but because that’s what my husband and I wanted.
It was beautiful and elegant.
Yes, traditional. Yes, perfect. But not ‘samey’. When you love the people getting married (we only had a small wedding), it is about the people and not about what they do and don’t do which makes the day different and special.
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While we chose a pretty non-traditional wedding (didn’t get “engaged” (didn’t want a rock on finger), no traditional proposal, a lookout in the Blue Mtns, renegade priest as celebrant, no way did I want to be ‘given away’ by my father (my view – I’m not a possession to be handed over from him to husband!). We did have a ‘reception’, but had a bushdance, where we chose a dance that started out with two couples (us and bestman & bridesmaid), and then got everyone involved, and swapping partners all over the dance floor), a chocolate layered cake (I hate fruit cake)…. etc etc. We proved you can organise a decent wedding in 3 months too – thus limiting the stress time!
My parents butted out on everything except inviting particular relatives. My MIL was in a bit of a state over our ‘non traditional engagement (‘oh, make him buy you a ring, you’ll regret it’), coming to terms with the non-church venue (they were staunch Catholics, husband was lapsed, me nothing)… and ‘what will you do for music?!’ – but afterwards just raved about it.
SO! I’d probably find it hard if our daughters decided to go the full-on church and traditional wedding..
BUT! – I believe that feminism is about us being able to CHOOSE!
From my non-traditional wedding to our traditional division of labour (I’m doing the SAHM thing), to having changed my last name to his (I wanted to!) I get really riled when so-called feminists criticise MY choice. (There is one columnist in particular ‘out there’ who really gets up my nose with the way she puts down other women who change their names – or, heaven forbid, actually get married!)
As long as our kids (sons and daughters!) feel they have a choice, and their marriage, and the way they choose to celebrate it with family and friends, is what THEY want, and is TRUE to them, then feminism is alive – (and we’ve moved into the 21st Century!)
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All the “feminist” brides are found on http://offbeatbride.com
The wedding magazines don’t showcase untraditional weddings, so this website does.
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indiebride.com is good too. click on kvetch to read or contribute to 1000s of discussions, including several hundred on name changing alone!
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I used to be a huge fan of OffbeatBride, but it’s really lost its sparkle recently – way too many brides just following the alternative bridal trends (red dress, groom in converse, mini top hats with birdcage veils, etc) rather than a showcase of brides and grooms doing something truly meaningful to them.
But the Kvetch forums at IndieBride are AMAZING.
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I am a young feminist, getting married in September. For me its been an interesting journey in staying true to my feminist values while not having to throw everything away. I guess its about what parts of a wedding need to be changed to achieve equality and which other parts are not so significant to this and are perhaps traditions that I may or may not wish to follow. So far:
1. We decided to get married together, fiancée did propose and I allowed him to do it because it meant something to him but it could have just as easily been me.
2. We both have engagement rings
3. We will walk down the aisle together
4. We have done all preparation including invites etc together, where we have had help ie for the invites we have had both the bridesmaids and groomsmen help
5. I have scrutinised every inch of the wedding ceremony wording for sexist language and changed/ removed it
6. I will not have a veil covering my face
7. We will walk down the aisle together (which will be much to the shock of my fiancés quite conservative family).
Thats all I can think of for now but probably more… maybe it can be a start to the how to list for a feminist wedding?
And rest assured April that there are young feminists out there who do think about these things, even if we are only the minority!
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Sorry, but I’m still not understanding where you guys are getting the idea that tradition = unfeminist. Just.not.getting.it.
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It’s not the traditional WEDDING that’s the problem, it’s the bits that reinforce the traditional aspects of MARRIAGE that are at issue.
So, having your father walk you down the aisle can be lovely as a symbol of family closeness, but having the celebrant ask ‘who gives this woman away?’ is an unpleasant reminder of the time when marriage was a business arrangement where a man (the father) gave away his ‘property’ (the daughter).
Now, of course, some women may chose to enter a marriage on these traditional terms, but it’s very unlikely that would be an informed choice.
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Yeah, but my point was that Jess had a long list of things she had done/changed in order to have a “feminist” wedding. But from my understanding of feminism, I think that anyone and everyone who gets to CHOOSE what sort of wedding they have, is having a feminist wedding.
I also wanted to ask Jess whether she and her fiance chose to have a “feminist” wedding, or whether it was her idea only, especially given the “I” statements in her comment – example “…are perhaps traditions that I may or may not wish to follow.”, “I have scrutinised every inch of the wedding ceremony wording for sexist language and changed/ removed it”…etc. Because, like I’ve banged on and on about in my comments on this post, feminism is about CHOICE. But from what I’m reading into Jess’s comments, her eagerness to have a “feminist” wedding seems to have left the bloke bereft of CHOICE. Look, I might be reading these comments all wrong, but when there’s statements like “fiancée did propose and I allowed him to do it” alongside declarations that she “scrutinised every inch of the wedding ceremony wording for sexist language and changed/ removed it” it just doesn’t make any sense to me at all.
The lights still haven’t come on in my head about how me & MrBB’s decision to have a traditional wedding has compromised my feminist-ness, and it’s frustrating me no end, so I might give this post a rest for now…
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I feel your frustration!
I don’t get the “I am a feminist, therefore I must not have a “traditional” wedding”.
Isn’t that as bad as “I am getting married therefore I must have a ‘traditional’ wedding”.
The feminism, I think, only comes in when you think about the marriage.
Isn’t it about two people, mutually, coming together to stand in front of their friends and family and community (and God, if your so inclined) or who ever they chose, and saying they love each other and want to commit themselves to one another?
Regardless of which ever ‘traditions’ you ‘choose’ to uphold or which ever rituals you ‘choose’ to incorporate.
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*\o/* Stands and cheers Miss Ben Ben
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Where is the talk about what “marriage” means today? I find that journey so much more intriguing and interesting to chat about. Deciding (together!) to spend the rest of our lives living as best friends, earning a living, being a family, all the while being and raising strong confident individuals who focus not on themselves, but on helping those who need a hand through life – I am curious about how that works today! When my sweet babies get married, I hope the focus is outward, not inward at themselves.
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I loathe going to weddings these days. I feel like I’m in some kind of time-warp vortex where my otherwise strong, intelligent girlfriends become fluffy mindless fairy princesses.
We did get married and teh dress was white, but that was about as close to the rest of the palava as we got. We arrived at the wedding together, no veil, no engagement, no proposal, no hens night or stag night, got our parents to affirm that they’d support us to make it work, our celebrant had a fabulous form of words as a disclaimer after the government issued ‘marriage is between a man and a woman’ that made it clear that we thought that was a load of poo. I was the only person who made a speech (being a professional speech writer and all…)
I’m amazed at the number of people who get sucked in to wedding industry mania. Bonboniere, pre and post wedding photo shoots (WTF?), uber expensive hen and stag nights blah blah.
And then the rituals give me the irrits – first dance? (really. you are marrying a man you have never danced with?), leaving before your guests (seriously? paid $7k for the best party ever and I’m going to leave before its over? I don’t think so!) ‘introducing the couple’ (um, if I’m paying by the head, you should already know who we are!)
So yes, I think anyone who doesn’t think about the symbolism of their marriage can’t really call themselves a feminist. I do know plenty of people who think you can’t be a feminist if you get married at all, which i can understand. I still wanted to stand up and say “I want to grow old and caravan around Australia arguing about the division of the newspaper with this bloke”.
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I wholeheartedly agree. It feels like many of my friends are only interested in the wedding and have forgotten all about the marriage (the best bit, if you ask me…!) It seems false to me.
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Hee! Danielle, your post has made my day. You are clearly in the right profession!
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Haha, great post – I especially love your last line!
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I think it’s meant to be first dance as a married couple, not literally first dance, and first intro as a married couple (not that I’ve been ‘introed’ at all before or since!)
Hens, stags, proposal, white gauze over head, gifts – nup, we didn’t do that either. Regret it? No way!
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We ended up with a “hen’s night” for my sister, and our Mum and I felt really sorry for her, because her uber-wedding nutty SIL organised it. We were told it was a fam dinner out, then rocked up and it was only the girls and none of our brothers, male cousins, uncles, Dad!, which we expected. Mind you, same girl also had a big white church wedding and got her kids christened in the whole gowns etc, NONE of us (me, my bro and sis, and my BIL’s fam) believe in christening, but she just digs the whole rigmarole. And parties with her at the centre, I’d wager.
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I’m getting married in eight weeks, my mum is giving me away and there will be no speeches other than my fiancee and I thanking everyone for coming at the start of the cocktail reception.
Although I’m wearing a beautiful gown, its a champagne colour (because after 6 years of living together I can’t pretend to be even slightly virginal), my bridesmaids are in black and my mum is also in black. No one in the family has cared about the colour scheme, but lots of other people have felt it their right to comment on ‘black at a wedding’.
I think marriage is important, but I also feel that I am an independent woman who wants to remain that way. I say get rid of tradition, and have a great time to celebrate your wedding and future marriage. Forget about the frilly dress and all of the old fashioned rules that make no sense today and just enjoy yourselves.
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are you sure you arent me?
hehe my dress is champagne too, and the BM’s are wearing short black dresses. my grandparents are horrified at the thought
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I never wanted the fairytale wedding. My dream was a backyard BBQ in jeans. My dad was the one who said ‘no way, I have 2 daughters and they’re going to have nice weddings’! So, as a compromise I got married in purple, had a crystal bouquet instead of flowers and the reception was a finger food, stand up affair at a bar. It was fabulous! I had a say in a few things – my dress, the venue, the food, the music and the very untraditional wedding cake (frogs in a pond anyone?!) but the rest of the planning was left up to mum and whoever else wanted a say. We didn’t spend years planning either – it was 7 months from proposal to marriage. We didn’t want to waste our savings on one day of our lives.
And I got 2 engagement rings. My husband chose them and they cost $20 each. I love them for what they represent (no diamond obviously) and I wouldn’t have it any other way. There are some people I know who still believe that a man should spend 10% of his salary on the ring!! (and at least one wasn’t happy when he “only” spent $2000 instead of the 10%!!) I don’t buy into this at all.
For me it’s not about feminism though, it was about the day being about marriage and a commitment to the rest of out lives. We didn’t want to lose sight of that.
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10% of salary – is that a general rule or social norm or something? I’ve not heard of that before, although I suppose I don’t have many wedding-related conversations yet. Sounds interesting …
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The whole a man should spend 10% of his salary on an engagement ring thing came about when the market for female engagement rings was taking off in the early 20th century. Advertisers and the jewellery industry figured that asking for 10% of someones salary, instead of an actual monetary figure, would cover them for inflation.
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Our wedding was on the traditional side, but that was what we wanted, so I dont think it matters that much.
I think having the wedding you and your partner wants, and to an extent your family, is really all that matters. The only place feminism has is providing couples with the choice to have the wedding they want and not having to conform with societal ideals.
One of the most gorgeous weddings I’ve been to (and I’ve been to A FEW lately, its that time of ‘life’) the Bride wore a black corset with a black pinstripe full ball gown skirt. STUNNING. They got married in a restuarant where the ceremony literally took five minutes. It was what they wanted, and you could TELL! they looked so happy!
On the other hand, I went to a fully traditional wedding, where the bride was not all that interested in it, and you could tell that too!
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that wedding you described sounds amazing, especially the bride’s outfit!
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I agree – that sounds AWESOME!
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It really was!
Too add to the picture, the ceremony was in a paved courtyard of the restuarant with a vine covered pergola. *tingles*
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I think a true feminist probably doesn’t get married. These days feminism is totally confused and everyone is just pro-choice on any matter.
I think a wedding is your personal choice and whether you’re super traditional or totally unique is your choice. Have to say though, people who sprout being feminists and also talk a lot about being different, who then have the cookie cutter princess wedding kind of irk me.
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Why does the true feminist not get married? What is the point of being a feminist, if it just means you have to conform to a whole other set of controlling ideals?
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Does feminism have a place in weddings?… up to you. I’m not a feminist so I won’t put forward my opinions about how one thinks in the same way I hope feminists don’t assume to know what I think.
Do women give it all up for the one day they want to be treated like a princess in a Disney movie?… yep. I like Disney, and love all things fairytale.
Did you have any modern touches at your wedding or was it traditional all the way?… We were traditional (hello weddings are a tradition in itself… the fact you’re getting married says ‘tradition’). And get this… we were both virgins when we got married. aaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!! Run for the hills.
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Perhaps we are opting for the fairy tale wedding, because we’ve been fed the “fairy tale” story by society (including our parents – don’t deny it) our entire lives! Look at any rom-com, action movie, whatever – underneath there usually a love story, and usually with a fairytale ending. April Fraser has only herself to blame.
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I haven’t read all the other comments, but I think the biggest challenge in planning weddings would have to be balancing your desires with the feelings of others. I am not even in a relationship and already thinking about this. You see, I want to walk alone down the aisle and I think my dad is going to flip. I have a real problem with the idea of being “given away” by anyone – I am a person, not a posession. Sure, you can use differnt wording like “who BRING this woman …” but the meaning is still the same. I have also been raised mainly by mum, and she has said that she thinks that she is the one who has earned the right to give me away. How have other people tackled this – do you stick to your guns or just give in to other people and maybe let them both give me away or something?
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Both my Mum and Dad accompanied me, and it never occured to me to have it any other way (but my wedding did not include the words ‘who gives this bride away’ either.).
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hey, on a side note, i am thinking of having my mum and dad too.. how did you all manage it i.e to link/hold flowers? or did you all just walk on down?
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I had my mum and Dad walk me down too. It took a bit of rearranging but I linked arms with my mum on my right side, put my flowers in the crook of my left arm (I had a long bouquet with trailing pearls and wire) and my dad held the left forearm.
It was really awesome and both parents were chuffed to take that part in the ceremony.
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My Dad walked me down the aisle, which was someting I definately wanted. It was important for him too I think, as the father of only one daughter, its something every man might dream of doing one day.
I didn’t at any time feel like anyones ‘possession’ but rather someone who, with the full support of their family, entered a church as one woman, and left as another.
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Its tough. I was estranged from my dad for some time and during that period I told my mum I wanted her to walk me down the aisle (of my hypothetical wedding).
Fast forward a few years later and my dad and I are reconciled and they both think they are walking me down. In the end it was a bit of a shit fight, but I had them both.
I’m very glad that I did. They were both there supporting me and my brother walked behind to take my mum’s hand when dad took me forward the whole way.
It was beautiful and touching and in the end I reeeeeally needed the steadying hands of my parents just to keep me upright.
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We had similar stuff at my sister’s wedding. My brother had his partner at the time there, but he was Mum’s “date”, got up with her for the first dance and stuff.
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I am a feminist, but for me that means that I have choice. Choice that was fought hard for, which I respect and appreciate.
But I do want a proposal, an engagement ring, a white dress and a new surname. I might do a few quirky things, but overall that is what I would like. Because I can choose to do that. That will indulge the girly princess side.
However the feminist in me will change one thing. I will change is the part in the vows that says “I now pronounce you man and wife”.
I believe that we will be equal in a marriage. I will not be a possession, I will not obey. We will make decisions together as a team. My preference is “I now pronounce you husband and wife” or even “I now present Mr. John and Mrs. Jane Doe”.
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If you’re planning on a christian church wedding, steer clear of the Old Testament for readings!! (even our Priest recommended this! how progressive, right?!?) Its very, “the man is the king” or ‘the women will be obedient’!!
And totaly agree with the choice thing!
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To me feminism is about choice, not rules. I think some times people get too caught up in the little things and loose sight of the big picture.
Do I like it when a man holds a door for me yes, but do I like it that women are still likely to be paid less than a man for the same job, that women are under represented on boards and in parliament and are financially disadvantaged in their later years due to taking time out to raise children no – NO! I chose to get married to my wonderful husband who chose to marry me, we choose to get married on a beach and have my mother and father give me away, we chose to write our own vowels and we are choosing to both continue to work after we got married – a luxury of choice that did was not experienced by many women even up until the late 70s – and when we choose to have children we will chose how to manage choice. Feminism should be about giving women the choice to make their own rules and their own way in life, wasn’t that what it was originally about.
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Ha!!! I want to elope and go on a year long honeymoon travelling the world!!! You should have seen my parents face when I said that to them…lol
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I think that this is the exact problem with feminism – I take modern life to mean I can do what I please, because I am a free agent. However, feminists tell me I have to do things a certain way.
I had a semi-traditional wedding. I wore a wedding dress, but it wasn’t white. Dad gave me away (I think his feelings would have been hurt if I hadn’t). I didn’t wear a veil because I don’t like the bible story associated with it. We cut the cake (who has a problem with cake?). We also did some odd things – like have a baby before we got married, hold the ceremony in a wildlife sanctuary and had afternoon tea.
Similarly, my married life has become very traditional (by choice!). My husband goes out and supports me financially while i raise our kids and study. Quite often, I wear an apron while doing it
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I for one love aprons. And I love that I can choose to wear one because my pretty clothes that I chose for myself (which my husband doesn’t necessarily like but would never dare to say so) and paid for with my own (earned) money are valuable to me and I don’t want to get cookie dough/pasta sauce on them.
And that’s what feminism means to me today.
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I love aprons, mainly because I hate washing clothes. I wear one when I am cooking. Another thing that I am not fond of!
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I’m planning my wedding at the moment. I’m pretty traditional, however there will be a few ‘more modern’ twists I suppose. The groom will DEFINITELY not be planning the honeymoon by himself!
To be honest, some of the traditions have helped out with the planning, ie. using them as an arguement to fend off the in-laws…
Also, a wedding really is a tradition in itself, no? So of course there are going to be traditional elements, really it’s your one chance to have a go at those traditions…
I reckon that you’ve just gotta do what feels right for you – you shouldn’t have to worry about not being feminist enough, or too traditional.
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I am getting married soon and am doing it”our way” not keeping tradition
-I am not giving up my name we are combining so us and our kids will share the same surname.
-we are getting married and having a cocktail reception in the same place – no church for us just casual relax feel leading onto dancing.
-I am wearing non traditional gown , no veil.
-my man picked his suit etc and the best mans suit I’m waiting to see it on the day – some of my friends can’t believe I am letting him choose without my input.
-We just have one bridesmaid and best man each.My bridesmaid picked what she wanted to wear.
-both my parents are going down the isle with me as my mother had just as much input raising me as my dad did!
-We are having cupcakes instead of cake MMmmmmm cupcake….
Its really just a big celebration party to say “Hey look we are so happy to show you all how happy we are now let’s all party!”
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My DH went out the day before our wedding and bought his suit! I knew it would be plain black, white shirt, no shoes. Not because that was the agreed style, but because he only buys black shirts, doesn’t wear a tie, and won’t wear shoes unless mandated by law!
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Isn’t the whole point of feminism to give women the power to make their own choices?
Hardly seems right to turn around now and tell us we’re making the “wrong” ones…
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My brother gave me away, but it would have been my Mum for sure if she was still with us. I told her that from when I was a very little kid.
I intended to splurge on a designer cocktail gown, in red or something similar, but when it came down to it, I thought: when else will I be a bride? So I got it in white (it still wasn’t a bridal dress, it was a floor length sheath kind of thing). I didn’t wear a veil and we had our dog as a ring bearer, so it was casual.
Catering wise, it was very traditional. It just seemed easier to feed people a meal at that time of day. We and most of the guests stayed at the venue and had breakfast together the next day which was really nice.
I absolutely hated the bridal gowns I tried on, so put most of my budget towards bright red Valentino shoes. I still have them and I can wear them again. They cost a lot more than my dress or anything else!!
I liked having my husband in a suit, and I liked looking like a bride, and I love that my grandmother in law made our cake. It was a fruit cake, very traditional, but I felt it represented a gesture from the older generation of the family. And it actually tasted amazing too (she can cook!).
I surprised myself with how traditional I did go in the end. I consider myself a feminist. I agree it’s just the trimmings. I certainly didn’t promise to obey anyone, and I still have my name!
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I’m with you Mia. I don’t get all the wedding fare.
As a feminist some of the traditions just don’t sit well with me. I’ve been engaged for about a year now with no rush to get married. Not sure what my wedding will entail – not that I have put a lot of thought into that so sure it will come to me when I devote the time to it. I will definitely keep my surname and the vows will be without religious influence but that’s about as far as my planning goes!
So the traditional wedding scene is definitely not me, but that doesn’t stop me loving each and every wedding I attend. Always fun times!
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There is no doubt this is a phenomenon – those of us who embraced feminism and rejected the 1950′s picket fence version of femininity and marriage are now dealing with daughters who wnat all of that!
My daughter presented her dream wedding to her class – designer place names, meringue dress and all.
I got married ( at the behest of my horrifed in laws) very pregnant, wearing red, (hair too) and my bridesmaid wearing a leather outift. My daughter was quite horrified whne she saw the photos.
We shouldn’t be surprised that our daughters are rebelling against us. AFter all, it’s only the trappings! My daughter is adamant that she’s having a brilliant career and any man who wants to be around better keep up with her. Now that’s feminism!
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My husband and I were engaged for 6 weeks before having a surprise wedding (at our engagement party). I only have one ring, and he wore his ring straight away too as a sign of our engagement. We wrote our own vows. My outfit was off the rack (purple) and cost about $200. He splurged on a new shirt. We spent about $1000 on our wedding, which all our friends say was the most fun wedding they’ve ever been to, and then blew a lot of money on an amazing 5-week honeymoon in Italy and Spain. I love the way we got married – it is very “us”, and I never felt the lack of a traditional wedding. My only regret is that we didn’t get any professional photos taken.
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this could be my wedding! Spent most money on our honeymoon, I wore a red dress, we walked together down the aisle, no attendants, casual beach lunch for about 40 people. But I too regret no professional photos, on the day I had no intention of going off on our own to pose for photos for an hour or so, but I do wish I’d got someone to at least be in charge of taking shots, cause there aren’t any really great ones. Oh well!
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This article annoys me, I am sorry to say. A couple should have what they want at a wedding, regardless of tradition or feminism.
Most women expect others to embrace the feminism movement, but what if they don’t want to? It doesn’t mean they are old fashioned, or turning their backs on who they are. I am all for tradition, but a less than traditional wedding is OK, too. You can’t really get a wedding wrong, if it is what YOU want.
If there is one thing I can’t stand, it’s others who ram their beliefs down others throats, and if it isn’t what they would do, it must be wrong.
Let people do what they please, if it doesn’t hurt anyone else, let them be happy!
(Sorry for the rant)
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I agree!!!
This article has made me feel like a some kind of ‘follower’ just because I want a traditional wedding!
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Agreed!!!!
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Women don’t have to embrace the feminist movement, mind you – they might want to hand a few things back then… like their right to vote, birth control, etc.
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I agree too!
The most stressful thing when I was planning my wedding was managing everyone’s expectations and beliefs.
I even had a few hard core feminists blast me about the fact that I was even getting married, as if I was some kind of gender traitor for wanting to stand up and say I wanted to stay with one man for the rest of my life!
Honestly it’s a commitment between two people to each other and then (sometimes) a party to celebrate their commitment. It’s their business whether “obey” is in the vows or not, whether the bride wears a giant meringue in a massive church or whether it’s all done in a backyard with a BBQ, water fights and unicycles and shame on anyone for making that couple feel guilty about it in any way.
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We had the traditional wedding with all the trimmings. Funnily enough, it was my husband who wanted the big wedding. We both wanted a church wedding but the big reception was his wish. My dad did walk me down the aisle but we actually didn’t think much of it as him giving me away but more of me leaving my family and cleaving together with my husband to make a new family unit. As for the giving away bit, we did change it to having both sets of parents standing up to formally verbalise that they gave their blessing to our marriage.
I do think that too much is centred around the wedding day; maybe due to Disney Princess Complex and not enough for preparation for the marriage. The most important thing we did in preparation for the day was the premarital counselling we had. As for the white wedding dress, we were both virgins on our wedding day, which is due to our religious beliefs.
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I agree with you about “giving away”. I’m planning my wedding at the moment and I am looking forward to my dad walking with me down the aisle. As others have said, I see it as him supporting me as I enter the next phase of my life. And also, coming from a family of 3 girls, my Dad has been the most important and sigificant man in my life for 26 years but now that role will move to my future husband and I think the symbolism is quite nice.
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That’s lovely
I had my dad walk my down the aisle. I was so glad he did, I was so nervous that I loved having him by my side.
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I agree that weddings these days are more ‘wedding’ centred than ‘marriage’ centred. You know? The most important bit is the marriage, not the wedding!
Having said that, I think that feminism wasn’t about not having a traditional wedding. I think that is unfair to the women of the 70’s and since then who have championed female rights. It’s about having the freedom of choice. To empower women so that they realise they have a right to choose whatever life they want. They can choose to have a traditional wedding, or they can choose not too. They can choose what is important to them and what is not.
If they want to spend thousands of dollars on a big white fluffy wedding, all power to them. Personally, I’d hate to start off my married life in a bad financial position. I do want a wedding, but on the day I know what my focus will be.
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Re: weddings these days are more ‘wedding’ centred than ‘marriage’ centred
I think this is because most people live together first. I’ve been with my fiancee for 7 years, living together for 5 – I already feel like we are married and in the eyes of the government we have the same rights as a married couple being de facto. So the ‘wedding’ for us is not the start of ‘married life’ but one fantastic excuse to get all our family and friends together for one hell of a party! Because it is prob the only time it will happen as our families are spread across 5 states of Australia!
To me, he is my family, I see him as my husband – we’ve got the ‘married’ bit already, so now the ‘wedding’ is party time!
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I absolutely agree. It was all about the ‘wedding’ for me, having already been together for 6 years with 2 kids. Not being regular party hosts, it was definitely the biggest event I’ll ever plan and I loved the fact all the friends and family we love made the extra effort to come (lets face it, people that live a long way away aren’t going to make the same effort for anything else other than perhaps a funeral). It was magic having the cross section of beloveds we had there.
What’s wrong with wedding centred? Weddings rock!
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Okay, this is going to sound pretty gen y… but how does one be a feminist? I’m all for female power and the like, but is there a set of rules that govern behaviour such as this?
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I’m with you there. Don’t know how it works for us gen-yers
I’ve been called a feminist by some and “anti feminist” by others. I couldn’t understand what I was doing to cause such different responses.
Now I just think I’m being myself, who cares what people call it?
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It’s about choice. Don’t worry about it, beyond acknowledging the women who came before you, who put energy and effort into you being ‘allowed’ to choose how you want to behave (to use your term).
You can be who and what you want to be.
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Hallelujah! THANK YOU Mia for this post – you read my mind. I am not married, would like to be, but would never be a “bride”. To be honest my hero is my brilliant and successful friend in NYC who went down to City Hall in Manhattan in a pair of her favourite blue jeans and has a simple gold band, no diamond in site.
i went to an engagement party for a couple my partner is friends with the other week and my tongue hurt so much by the end of the night (biting it!) – the conversations revolved around bridesmaids dresses, wedding dresses, diamonds, cakes and included some corkers such as “everytime my fiancee annoys me i just look down at my diamond and it makes everything feel worthwhile” and another from a girl who has a very high-flying career but currently doesn’t have a boyfriend “the other day i called in sick to work, and went to the gold souk (here in dubai) and spent the whole day lying to the shop assistants telling them i was engaged and trying on diamonds.” My response? I said to these girls – if you just want a bloody diamond ring so badly why don’t you just go buy yourself one??” this was met with uncomfortable silence!!! i just don’t get it.
don’t get me wrong i understand it is these girls’ choice to embrace these traditions. but what shocked me was how judgemental these same girls were about people who choose non-traditional weddings ( “i cannot believe some girls were mini-skirts to their wedding” – i didn’t bite tongue and said why not i would? followed by more deathly silence!!!)
I am madly in love and surprise myself by realising i actually do want to get married at all, this shocks me because i never thought i would want to, but if and when i do so it will be in mini skirt in paris or new york with my parents and close friends. something casual but filled with love, good food and champagne!!!!
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Mia, I definitely agree that the modern wedding needs a makeover.
There is absolutely no reason why you have to be formally proposed to, receive a diamond engagement ring, wear a white dress, be walked down the aisle, have bridesmaids and groomsmen, spend an absolute fortune on invitations, flowers and photography, cut a sickly sweet tiered wedding cake, throw a bouquet over your shoulder or go on a ‘honeymoon’… that is, of course, unless you want to. These things are merely made-up and, in most cases, outdated traditions.
Having said all that, I believe in marriage and I love going to weddings. But for god’s sake people, use your imagination – and some common sense. There is no reason why you have to tick all of the above boxes to have a memorable wedding, unless they’re important to you.
Personally, if I ever get married, I just want it to be a special occasion. I’m an atheist, so there will be no churches or religious overtones involved. I don’t want to wear a wedding dress – I just want to wear a beautiful dress. I don’t want a diamond engagement ring or a wedding band, but perhaps a ring that symbolizes our love. I don’t want bridesmaids, groomsmen or a traditional wedding cake. I want meaningful vows, heartfelt speeches, good food and great music.
Now all I need to do is find the right man to share it all with…
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sounds like the ideal day PVC! love it xx
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Tradition Vs Ritual….I like that that. Our day was not ‘traditional’ as such but certainly had some wedding ‘rituals’. I wore a white dress, but bare feet, we got married on the beach with friends and family, my Dad walked me down the ‘sand isle’ while bopping to the music, I did throw a bouquet but not a garter (mainly for my girlfriends’ benefits!), we had our Mum’s sign as our ‘witnesses’, and we only took 25mins for photos so we could get back to the party, I changed dresses at midnight and danced with gorgeous friends till 3am, and my husband and I both spoke which was a very important element to me – I think women should speak at their weddings. It was very much a little bit of this, a little bit of that. There is a place for feminism in the wedding if it already embodies you…the day said everything about us as a couple and I wouldn’t change a thing.
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this sounds like my dream wedding
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having got married a month ago, I am definitely not a ‘traditionalist’ as such but I am most definitely a feminist and most definitely a ‘ritualist’. There are so few identified rituals in our lives anymore, that retaining some parts of the wedding rituals was important to me. Also, things unfold over the course of organising a wedding that you may not have planned on. But its okay to be flexible! Eg. I had my heart set on a red dress, however my mum whom I can sometimes have a strained relationship with came to visit and encouraged me to visit a bridal shop if not to just look at red bridesmaid dresses (I’m in a rural area so this made sense and she got married in navy so I wasn’t pressured by either parent to fit into a box). however, when we got there we both had this feeling of amazement that we were actually in a bridal shop together, something we never thought we’d do. It was somehow bonding for us – one thing led to another and I tried a bridal (pale pink) dress on that I ended up buying. To me, the bonding experience with my mum was worth the outcome (and I evened out the glamour with Big W shoes). I also had my dad walk me ‘down the aisle’ (around the side of the hall to the stone circle). Not because he was ‘giving me away’ but because I adore him, it gave me rare time to be just with him (in the backseat of my friend’s beat up car!) without his partner there and it allowed me to honour the amazingly supportive role he has played in my life in a more formal, ritualised way. He is also the only person I know that knows the perfect thing to say at the right time. The thing is, due to what that action has meant in the past it took me a while to feel comfortable with doing so for my own reasons – and I’m so glad I did. Other than that, the day was tailored to our lives – a ceremony focussed on honouring the elements and how the can support our relationship, while the reception was one big family centred party – a creche, organic vegetarian buffet with no place cards, no crappy bonbonniere that no one wants anyway, a big fire outside and a bush band so that young and old could all join in. Oh, and a kids play! Plus a room with a wood heater so the kids could go to sleep (BYO bedding)…and some of the adults too, including myself. I did not take his name, did not have an engagement ring, did not do the flowers or garter thing. My partner’s dad did not give a speech as he didn’t want to so why push it? His mum did. I also gave a speech. (they were all small) I was proposed to but only by default as I never expected I would get married so had no plans to ask my long term partner myself.
There is a LOT of pressure from media (websites, magazines) telling you what to do and what not to do down to the minutest details but what it comes down to is what is most relevant for you and your partner – if you want to be a princess for a day hey, go ahead its not like you have that many opportunities! We need to be careful not to immediately judge people on their decisions – there can be more than one reason for what may seem a ‘traditional’ and ‘partiarchal’ action – indeed, perhaps it is simply ritual in itself that is being craved.
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Only thing that is critical to get right on a Wedding Day is the cast. You gotta marry the right bloke.
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love it so true! xx
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