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nina funnell Female commentators and the f*ckability factor

Female commentator Nina Funnell

Melinda Tankard Reist came out at the weekend to discuss the torrent of e.hate she has received online since instigating legal action against blogger Jennifer Wilson: “I receive, through Twitter, email and my blog, threats of violence and sexual abuse. Explicit descriptions of what a man (anonymous, though identifying as male) would like to do to me. And a couple of death threats. I am asked to send in pictures for ”arse” or ”boob” appreciation societies.”

Whether you support Melinda Tankard Reist or find her deeply problematic, surely we can all agree that threats and abuse are never justified? I felt compelled to reply to one Tweet calling her a “c*nt” : “Regardless of anyone’s views, misogynist name calling is NEVER OK.”

Not only is it not OK, but it is actually a distraction from the really valuable and valid conversations that we should be having.

Perhaps it’s timely to reflect on the particularly vicious way we treat any female commentator who dares to speak out…and what we may be really missing out on when we do resort to personal attacks.

Early last year I did a post sharing media I have been doing aimed at encouraging schools to be more proactive in dealing with sexual harassment. I received a comment from one of my blog readers that at first shocked me . . . and then got me thinking about another issue that affects all women and girls: the tendency in our culture to demean women based on their sexuality or for their looks rather than to engage with what they have to say. The comment was short, and cutting:

“We’ve seen your talks at schools. If you’re so keen to set a good example then don’t turn up to school looking like mutton dressed as lamb.” — Kim

I wondered exactly what it was about me that came across that way to her. When I do my self-esteem and skills-building workshops with girls, I wear an Enlighten Education uniform of sorts. We are often up and jumping around with the girls, so skirts and high heels are definitely out. It’s jeans or tights in winter, or mid-length shorts in summer, and then a black T-shirt embroidered with our butterfly logo. 

Then I realised that the comment had drawn my attention away from the real issue: too often, when women raise their voices, they are criticised not for what they say but how they look.

Even now, in 2012, is that the currency of a woman or a girl — her looks? Is a female’s Achilles heel still her appearance? If you strike her there, do you take away her only power?

It isn’t the first time I’ve spoken out about sexual harassment or a women’s issue and been criticised not for my arguments but for the way I look. I have been helpfully informed that I seemed to have put on weight. I was sent an e-mail telling me that I couldn’t be a feminist because I have blonde hair. During the 2009 scandal involving Matthew Johns and teammates having sex with a 19-year-old girl, I wrote an article in defence of the young woman, who was being blamed and insulted in the media and on the internet. A reader commented that I was just jealous because I wasn’t desirable enough to get a football player of my own. In 2011 when I questioned the merits of allowing a young girl aged 7 to kick-box, members of that sporting community posted a picture of me which was made public on Facebook and declared I was a “slut”, “lesbian” and “fat cow”.

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Germaine Greer

I’m not alone in being attacked in this manner for offering opinions. The woman whose writing had the most profound effect on me when I was young, Naomi Wolf, received a torrent of criticism for being too pretty to be a real feminist. On the other side of the coin, Germaine Greer has long been attacked for all sorts of supposed flaws in her appearance and femininity. Louis Nowra notoriously described her in The Monthly as “a befuddled and exhausted old woman” who reminded him of his “demented grandmother”. It should be noted that Greer herself is no stranger to flinging looks-based insults, famously describing a fellow writer as having “hair bird’s-nested all over the place, ****-me shoes and three fat inches of cleavage”.

Comments that target a woman for how she looks, rather than her ideas, are designed to do one thing and one thing only: to shut her up.

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Emily Maguire

Yet it only spurs me on. The same can be said for other Australian writers and commentators I spoke to who also regularly receive such criticism. When I discussed this phenomenon with Emily Maguire, author of Princesses & Porn Stars and a regular writer on gender and culture, she told me: “There’s no way you can present yourself that won’t attract criticism from the kind of people who think that criticism of a woman’s looks will hurt more than criticism of her ideas . . . It only makes me more sure that this stuff is worth speaking out about. “

Writer and commentator Nina Funnell points out that ironically the most attacks women get about  their appearances  tend to be instigated by their speaking out about feminist issues: “There is something both disturbing and ironic about people telling you that you need a ‘good dick up you’ or that you are ‘too fugly to screw anyway’ when you are writing about rape-culture and sexual violence.”

Sexless. Old. Mutton dressed as lamb. Undesirable. Age is a common theme to this type of criticism. Rather than seeming to gain wisdom, experience, authority and charm — as is virtually expected of men — women are often deemed of decreasing value with each year they move beyond their 30s. We see it throughout our culture. How many good roles are there for actresses over 40? How many women newsreaders have career longevity without resorting to Botox? It is as if once women have passed a certain age, it is time for them to step off the stage. It’s no wonder that many women are angsting and trying to achieve the body of a 20-year-old — an impossible and time-wasting task.

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Dr Karen Brooks

One would hope that the situation was improving, but in fact, it seems to be getting worse. And it is often women who use the strategy of attacking a woman’s looks. Dr Karen Brooks, social commentator and author of Consuming Innocence: Popular Culture and Our Children, told me: “I have had my appearance criticised ALL the time . . . This has been happening to me for 13 years and it’s getting worse . . . I should add that most of the negative comments are from women. “

Perhaps there is an element of fear of change that drives women to this type of criticism. Perhaps this technique just comes all too naturally to women who have spent their whole lives learning how to play the “compare and despair” game. Perhaps the ultimate sin for women is to show confidence and to love themselves, so critics feel that outspoken women need to brought down a peg or two.

Nina Funnell offered me this perspective on it: “Underscoring all of these attacks is something very deeply rooted in our culture which needs addressing; it is the assumption that the views and voices of women who are not as attractive or youthful or skinny or sexually constrained, are somehow less legitimate than the voices of other women and men. It’s an idea that ties- once again- our worth as a woman and our right to take up space in the public domain with our fuckability- as defined by others. “

Whatever it is that drives looks-based criticism, the thing that hurt me the most about the comment I received on my blog was that this woman claimed she had seen me present to girls. At every school Enlighten Education has worked in, the girls line up afterwards to ask for a hug, a kiss and to tell us they love us. They tell us that it changed their lives. So it made me sad to think that in the presence of all the joy and positivity and love that bursts out of these girls, for at least one woman the lasting impression was my looks, something that the girls never notice or comment on.

Imagine the change we all — women and men — could make in the world if we took personal attacks out of public debate. Imagine if we all engaged in the debate, made respectful counterarguments, added our own ideas into the mix. Imagine if we all pledged to stop trying to silence one another. I have the greatest respect for the women thinkers and activists I have mentioned here. Do I agree with them on every single issue? Of course not. But I pledge to always argue my case while according them the respect they deserve. It will always be their ideas that I engage with, because ideas — not physical appearances — live on forever.

Have you noticed the abuse female commentators of all stripes receive? Why do you think it’s different?

Dannielle Miller is co-founder and CEO of Enlighten Education, Australia’s largest provider of in-school worlshops for teen girls on body image, self-esteem and empowerment. She is also author of the parenting book, “The Butterfly Effect“. Her next book, written for teen girls on finding their real girl-power, “The Girl With The Butterfly Tattoo”, will be released by Random House March 1st. She regularly blogs here.
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    Eternal Caterpillar

    Women are attacked for our looks because we care about our looks.

    Mamamia itself is a prime example of how women are interested in significant issues and their personal appearance (Zoe Foster is a very popular contributor). Men are much more blasé; hence their appearance is not seen as a vulnerability, and they are rarely attacked for it.

    I don’t think the issue of “fu*kability” is ever going to go away. The brave women who enter the public forum – whether as commentators, politicians, or MasterChefs – will always be subjected to it.

    Perhaps the matter should be raised in schools as part of “Social Education” (or whatever it’s called nowadays – am showing my age, I’m sure), or maybe as part of the Enlighten Education program it already is?

    And lastly, Dannielle – I know it’s not the point of your article, but I have always thought you were beautiful, with a stunning smile.

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      justvisiting

      Very true. An older male mentor of mine once commented “Think how much more women could achieve if they spent less time obsessing about their and everyone else’s appearance”. Harsh but true.

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        Eternal Caterpillar

        And of course the irony is, that in just about every species other than humans, the onus is on the male to look good in order to be attractive.

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    Flickster

    Agree, Agree, Agree.

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      a

      I don’t agree. I think women achieve a hell of a lot. And I don’t think the fact that women don’t achieve the same as men in some areas (jobs, pay etc) can be attributed to the fact that women spend more time ‘obsessing’ about their appearance.

      It’s just the same as saying ‘Think how much more attractive and pretty men could be if they spent less time achieving things.’

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    Belinda G, Galvanize Press

    Brilliant!

    I completely agree and am relieved to hear someone else shares the same concern about the low blows some people employ to avoid a true exchange of ideas.

    Margaret Thatcher used to say attacks on her appearance were proof they couldn’t find holes in her policies. But they are intimidation tactics that go by the name of Bullying and shouldn’t be tolerated.

    The physical threats regularly made against Melinda Tankard Reist are dispicable. How would the perpetrators feel about the same threat being made to their mum?

    Thank you for writing such an important and poignant piece.

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    Nicola

    Thank you for writing this. I’m betting this resonates with all women out there. So true.

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    Sammie

    My friends and my boyfriends friends got in a fight over Facebook this last weekend. My friends were called “fat c*nt”, “dog”, “arrogant bitch”. All by people they have never met. One of my friends was told that she was so fat she needed a noose. Because that fixes things, doesn’t it?
    It was appalling to watch. I think that calling a woman fat, slutty, or bitchy is the easiest option. The thing is if you’re happy being fat and or bitchy, it doesn’t have the affect that the uncreative person trying to insult you wants.
    I don’t care if people call me bitchy, I can be. It’s like pointing out that I have brown hair.
    I never understood ‘she just needs a good root’. Even after a decent shag I’m still the same person.

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    Jay

    Interesting article Dannielle. Comments about Julia Gillard’s appearance and voice get me down. I am happy to talk about her policies and what she’s saying, but really unhappy about remarks about her accent/clothing/weight etc. Similarly not interested in the whole budgie smuggler criticisms of Tony Abbott. To me it suggests that people are unable or unwilling to do the hard work of thinking and talking about the ideas.

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      lucy

      i think julia gillards accent is an issue, one i would have if she was a man. She is a representative of our country and I cannot listen to her without cringing. elocution lesson could do her well.
      But i agree that there is way too much focus on her clothing, hair etc

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        Cait

        Just because someone doesnt pronounce words to the standard that you would like has no bearing on her intelligence or on her ability as a leader.

        Just as was mentioned by Jay, Gillard is a leader, and if she has bad policy, lets talk about that – everything else is petty though, even if the person in question was a man.

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          D

          Cait, I disagree completely, I can’t think of a job where public speaking is more important than that of a Prime Minister. I don’t care about discussing her hair and clothes but please don’t tell me that the way she speaks has nothing to do with her job. Just look at Barack Obama who is a brilliant speaker, why do you think he has perfected this skill if it wasn’t important?

          I don’t particularly care about her accent per se, it’s more the way she speaks. She doesn’t have presence, she is not engaging, she speaks in a manner that comes across as very slow and dry, and I am yet to meet someone who doesn’t find her speaking dull. Don’t kid yourself that this stuff doesn’t matter.

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            MTR MIA

            You blatant hypocrites.
            What’s next?

            I’m not a racist nut?

            FAIL

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        Jay

        I think the accent thing is highly subjective Lucy, and that’s why I don’t like talking about hers (or other people’s). For instance I once overheard (lovely) friends having a quiet titter about one of my other friend’s plummy/posh accent. Knowing my plummy-voiced friend well I know her voice accurately reflects her age, background and personality. And to me the rub of it was my tittering friends talk in a way that other Australians would find “posh”. We all think we sound “normal”, and I think I have heard the PM say that her sister gets irritated by the accent comments because as far as she’s concerned her sister (the PM) does not have one! Actually most South Australian’s voices sound odd to my NSW ears…it’s just a difference thing.

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        Lovena

        I’ll admit that I used to cringe over the accent but I cringed whenever I would hear John Howard speak. I hear quite a few Australians speak with either (what sounds like) food in their mouths or with their mouths closed or they replace every ‘l’ with the letter ‘y’ in their speech and this is on television! Regardless of accent, no one is ever left alone. I sound like I have a plum in my mouth and get mocked for sounding like a toff. Seem to recall the same thing happening to Alexander Downer. Suffice to say, my trip to a music festival in Adelaide was one of my favourites cause everyone there speaks like I do.

        There was mention of Tony Abbott’s bathers and the Prime Minister’s voice and what not…I want to hear more about their policies so now I read news instead of skewed sound bites or just wait ’til they front the Press Gallery for a proper grilling.

        To the author of this post, I no longer buy magazines but my one guilty pleasure is going to the Daily Mail website (silly I know) and 75% of the comments are just vile and purely based on looks so I no longer read them. Really should stop going to that site!

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        Laws for Clouds

        The issue is she has a South Australian accent and most of our media and ministers come from the Eastern States, specifically Sydney and Melbourne. If you don’t come from those cities you face a setback because of how you speak.

        Admittedly, she is a little nasal, and she speaks slower than most South Australians which makes it sound a little weird.

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      Kerryn

      I frequently have the same conversation with my male friends about Julia Gillard when they criticise her looks. Speak to her policies or lack of, speak to her integrity or lack of, speak to her opinions and words and interviews. Don’t tell me what you think about the size of her arse or the colour of her hair, these things have no bearing on the ability of a person to run the country. Drives me mad, but it is how women are continually judged. Sometimes we are our own worst enemies, yes, but it’s a chicken and egg situation, all we can do is be conscious of our own language with each other and our kids and e men in our lives.

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    auscrawl

    I find name calling a pathetic path people take when they don’t have enough brains to defend their opinion.

    I guess to get the message across in a presentation one is best to take a relatively conservative attire, but if people don’t like you they will pick on anything.

    What really annoys me are those who think you only count if you want to be just like them and fake tan and bleach and primp yourself to the nines like some social pages wannabe.

    I’m glad when I can just don my uniform for work when nursing, wear a bit of make up, look presentable and be jugded on my work not anything else. We did have a discussion though about how thigs like piercings and body art can easily alienate some parts of the community like our older patients, and how it’s easier to not go down that path working with the public where they are in a vulnerable state.

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      Anonymous

      So, it’s alright to criticize people if they have fake tans and blonde hair? This doesn’t make sense to me; you’re still judging and insulting someone based on looks.

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        Lulu

        It’s not the fact that some people have fake tans and blonde hair – auscrawl said “those who think you only count if you want to be just like them”.

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    Jane Caro

    I never object to a robust argument. You can rubbish my ideas as much as you like. I tend to respond to insulting comments about how I look (plain jane Caro is an actual Myspace page), sound (I screech a lot apparently) or dress with as witty a retort as I can muster (to the guy who accused me of screeching a lot, I said “I’m a chick, darl, screeching is what we do.”)
    But it is impossible not to be disturbed by those who want you to be raped or sexually hurt or degraded in some way. Those, I ignore.
    I have found, however, that humour is a much more effective weapon that defensiveness or outrage. If web trolls think you might be able to humiliate them with wit, they tend to tread more warily. And, don’t think I am saying I am particularly witty, they just have to think you might be. Like the Fonz from Happy Days who said, “I’ve never actually hit anyone, but I just let people think I might.”
    Great article, Dannielle.

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      JohnJames

      I like Peter Fitzsimons approach to people who abuse him in comments…and that is to invite them to meet him face to face to discuss the issue further…that usually shuts them up…of course, it helps that he’s 12 feet tall and built like a mountain…

      I agree with the humour approach…trolls and haters feed off fear…if you laugh them off, or dare them to a real life conversation, you take away their power…

      Personally, I love a bit of abuse…to me it means that I’ve forced someone to face a truth that they don’t like and are taking their frustrations out on me…to quote Mr T…I pity the fools…

      :)

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        ravensthorne

        As one character says on THE WEST WING after an assassination attempt: “If they’re shooting at you you’re doing something right!”

        A bit extreme for this situation but if you’re saying nothing to worry them, then they wouldn’t feel the need to drag you down.

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      Nina Funnell

      As a fellow screecher myself, I’m right there with you Jane!

      I’m yet to get my own facebook page
      though…. A girl can dream though! You know you’ve made it when that happens.

      In the mean time we’ll all just have to keep on chirping… Anyway, great article danni- it’s a really important subject- the abuse hurled at women commentators by men and women alike is really pretty gross. I couldn’t believe the abusive flack poor Mia copped over cadel-gate: was totally
      uncool.

      My personal view has always been the “I may disagree with what you say, but I’ll defend to the death your right to say it… I just won’t respect you very much if you are calling people names or trying to intimidate them.”

      anyway- onward and upwards, fellow screechers :-)

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      katehunter

      The Iron Lady is fascinating on this. Margaret Thatcher completely bamboozoled the all-male Parliament and the mostly-male media because she had big ideas and the mental muscle to execute them. They could only find traction in attacking her clothes and her voice, ‘The Lady doth screech too much.’ Imagine if Twitter had been around.

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      floraly

      ahhh love the fonz!!

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      Angela Mollard

      I’m so with you Jane. I hoot with laughter when I read the comments on my articles on the Punch about my hair, my clothes, and what the hell was my husband thinking when he married me! I never, ever respond, preferring to think of the men as having very small willies and the women as having very small brains.
      That said I was a commentator with Danielle on Kerri-Anne when we got abused by the kick-boxing lot. I LOVED her guts in taking them on, her commitment to making them see differently. I vascillate between battling it and striding on, not letting the toxicity sour my soul.

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      Jess

      I am a chick and screeching makes me cringe, is there anything more annoying?

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        Jane Caro

        Do you really think I was acknowledging I screech? It was a joke, Joyce. To be accused of screeching usually comes from blokes who can’t stand women who speak up strongly and passionately. That ain’t screeching, that’s free speech and women are entitled to it too.
        The fact that women have higher pitched voices than men is no reason to try and shut us up.

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    JohnJames

    Dannielle,

    Thanks for writing this from a non-gender specific point-of-view…it’s so easy to simply say “men do this to women” when attacks on personal appearance can come from everyone…

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    kateaswell

    This just makes me want to lie in bed with my two infant daughters, pull the doona over our heads and never leave the house again. What is with the hate for women? By women? words fail.

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      The wounded bull

      Hate can come from anyone (gender) and be directed at anyone (gender). It is not a female only issue. The attackers will latch on to the thing they think will hurt most. God, if I think back to many things said of John Howard. Being bullied is not an exclusive female phenomenom, despite what we often hear.

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        Zelicat

        How often have you heard of male commentators media personalitys getting comments like ” they need a good fuck” ” I hope you are raped ” , ” I want to smash your ugly face in and rape your daughter ?” sexual violence ( and threats of sexual violence) are overwhelmingly directed towards women. Not exclusively the domain of men against women, but almost exclusively directed at women.

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          JohnJames

          No, but men do have threats made against their partners, wives and children…not direct threats, but just as scary!

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            Zelicat

            Absolutely JJ, I was threatened at work not so long ago ( the punter was apparently going to rape me and slice me open from ” cunt to fucking mouth” ) it had happened outside – the first I knew was when armed police officers showed up to escort me back to the office. It upsets / makes angry mr cat far more then it does me. I don’t take it personally, he takes threats against his family * very* personally.

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            JohnJames

            Gosh, how awful!

            I hate to generalize, but yeah…you threaten a man’s family and it brings the caveman out in us…I know how I react when anyone has a go at my partner R…

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            Em

            And even then it’s still someone indirectly attacking a female.

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              JohnJames

              Yep – but it’s about attacking a point of weakness…threatening most men with rape would be meaningless…we just shrug our shoulders…threaten our family, and we get worried/upset.

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          The wounded bull

          True zelicat, and it is horrible, but my point is that a bully will use whatever they think will hurt or get a reaction. Offensive, hideous comments and threats are not an exclusive female issue. I agree that looks and sexual angles of attack are much more likely to be directed at women.

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          Anonymous

          I’ve seen many horrifyingly graphic and detailed descriptions of things people would like to do to Andrew Bolt.

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            Bejazzled

            yes, we must even have compassion for Andrew Bolt…….. dignified silence & law suits may be a better way to respond to him.

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              Lulu

              I think laughter & ridicule is also a good response.

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          Bejazzled

          Sexual violence is indeed the ultimate weapon of war, & the developing weapon for wealth, and obviously we can see that all over the world at present – ranging from social media abuse to the mass rape (killing) of hundreds of women & children in the Congo, Bosnia (only 2 examples), and human traffiking. It has been said that it is the last post left men have to dominate women to maintain power & control. (I cannot recall who made that statement, I may have heard it a couple of years ago at the Brisbane International Feminist Convention). Even the people who are supposed to protect innocent women & children, UN peacekeepers are heavily involved in rape & paedophilia. What a morally corrupt world.

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        Anonymous

        I know – at least we are aware and protect and arm them as best we can in an insane world.

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    Betty

    “Melinda Tankard Reist came out at the weekend to discuss the torrent of e.hate she has received online since instigating legal action against blogger Jennifer Wilson: “I receive, through Twitter, email and my blog, threats of violence and sexual abuse…”

    Just to be clear, Melinda’s article actually states that this is the type of abuse she normally receives on a typical day, not what she has received in response to the controversy over suing Jennifer Wilson. I think it is an important fact because it colours the whole premise of your introduction.

    Online abuse is never okay.

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      Sally Symonds

      A agree – violence, threats etc is absolutely not on. Sure, we shouldn’t be obsessed with how people look. It’s politically, ethically, morally and socially inappropriate. Unfortunately it’s also a fact of life. On the flip side, I find it extremely annoying when (just because I sometimes look like a Barbie doll) people think that I must think like one as well. Thus, for me it’s catch 22: I can’t be credible in the health and fitness industry without being fit and healthy, but in looking that way do people then dismiss everything I say as mere “gym-bunny” speak? The saddest thing is that the worst comments seem to come from other females . . .

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      Dannielle Miller

      Yep, my mistake. You are correct but I am not sure how this colours the premise of the introduction?

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      Neola

      I agree with you 100%, Betty. I think this is an otherwise fantastic article but since the quote has nothing to do with the Jennifer Wilson suit, it really didn’t need to be mentioned and does feel like it’s having a not so subtle dig at MTR.

      Even the sentence ‘Whether you support Melinda Tankard Reist or find her deeply problematic…’ is weighted to make people who haven’t made up their minds feel persuaded towards the latter. A simple ‘or not’ would have been more neutral, I feel.

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        Dannielle Miller

        Sorry but I’m not following this criticism at all. How is quoting what Melinda wrote about being vilified on-line, and going to on to argue that this type of abuse is never ok, having a “not so subtle” dig at her?