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screen shot 2012 12 12 at 6 51 54 pm You think your problems will be over when you find The One. Wrong.

Jo Abi thinks that fairytales are crap.

 

By JO ABI

Yesterday on Mamamia, a post called “This is why you’re not married” went gangbusters as Jamila Rizvi wrote about how many single women aspire to marriage and that’s OK.

Of course it is.

But there’s something Jamila – and all the other single ladies – need to know.

Marriage is hard work.

You think the hardest part will be finding someone you love who’ll love you back. You think once you find the person you want to spend the rest of your life with, your problems will be over.

You’ll always be loved and supported; you’ll never feel lonely again. You’ll buy a house, have children, get a dog and live happily ever after…

Sorry, but thinking that marriage will solve all your problems is similar to thinking your issues will be magically resolved once you reach your goal weight.

Marriage is hard bloody work. It’s more work than I realised. And the work never ends. Once one or both of you stops putting in the effort it can easily end in divorce. When you think about it like this, it makes it easy to understand why one in three Australian marriages ends in divorce – and that’s not factoring in all the non-married couples who split after years together.

I know this is overly simplistic. I know I’m not factoring in relationships that end due to more serious issues, but what do you do when you can’t quite put your finger on why it isn’t working? What do you do when you don’t know exactly what the problem is or how to fix it? What if you are just tired and you can feel yourself… Drifting…

I love my husband and he loves me. Love is not the issue. But a couple of times a year we’ll have an argument that could easily result in a break-up, the most recent of which occurred last week. It began when he forgot our wedding anniversary and I let him forget. I wanted to punish him for the long hours he’d been working and for other past resentments I still couldn’t let go of. I pictured the look on his face when he remembered and how I’d make him feel as guilty as possible.

He never remembered. I spat it out one night later that week, and he tried to apologise. I brushed him off and when he suggested a belated night out. My exact words were, “Don’t bother.”

When my marriage is off-track there are clear signs – I stop packing his lunch for him and he stops calling me Joey and instead calls me Jo. I don’t email him any articles of interest and he doesn’t bring chocolates home.

We didn’t talk properly for weeks. He’d come home, I’d avoid eye contact, he’d avoid confrontation, we’d let the kids distract us and I’d go to bed. He started sleeping on the lounge in front of the TV.

“This isn’t working,” I said later in the week. “Marriage shouldn’t be so hard, so lonely.”

“Every time we fight you talk about splitting up,” he said. “I would never do that. I never want to leave you.”

“Because I’m alone most of the time anyway. What’s the difference?”

We have been having this fight for well over ten years since we first got together but something keeps us from splitting up.

99222544 You think your problems will be over when you find The One. Wrong.

Fairytale?

One or both of us crack and pledge undying love. We determine that we need to work on it. We need to make more of an effort. Then his work gets busy, I get lonely, we start snapping and the cycle continues.

Marriage is a series of peaks and troughs. I don’t know if it gets easier but what I do know is that as long as the peaks outweigh the troughs then we’re okay. And as long as one or both of us wants to keep working at it, then we’re okay as well because while life with each other can be painful and disappointing, it can also be amazing and fulfilling.

Today, after almost fifteen year since we first got together and just over nine years of marriage, my husband and I are still learning about ourselves and each other. Our dynamic keeps shifting as we try and keep up with each other’s thoughts, dreams and aspirations while keeping our family intact.

It’s like the settling of new earth. The soil takes time to settle and it never stops shifting. As long as we can just reach out and keep some contact – even if it’s just the very tips of our outstretched fingers – we know we can stop from falling off or falling over.

Here, fifteen years later, arms outstretched, we know the next peak will follow, as will a trough which will follow another peak.

We know there are real issues behind the petty annoyances. We know small things matter – daily text messages and short phone calls, constant contact, hugs when we get home, me packing his lunch, him calling me Joey.

Marriage is very different from what I thought it would be when we first started discussing it. I want to take my younger self by the shoulders and tell her that her idea of marriage is sweet and adorable but completely inaccurate and that as long as she braces herself, as long as she chooses her battles carefully and as long as she remembers how easily it can be broken or repaired then she will be okay.

Because love alone isn’t enough, but perseverance will see you through.

Jo Abi is the author of the book How to Date a Dad: a dating guide released by Hachette Livre Australia.  You can read more about her many and various exploits here.

If you’re married, what do you think is the hardest part of marriage? Do you have any advice for those looking for it or struggling with it?

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  1. Vivica

    This is exactly why I plan to stay single. Life should be enjoyed, not “survived” or “endured”. After working a 9 to 5 and dealing with the stress and toil of the world, who in the world wants to come home to “hard work”? I’ve always thought that yes, there would be not-so-great days. That’s natural. But after reading article after article chronicling all the negativity, I’m starting to believe that in marriage, there are a lot more not-so-great days than good ones. So what’s the point? People say “Oh well it’s great to have someone to go to when you’re down”. But if your dealings with that person are generally the reason for your being down, doesn’t that defeat the purpose? I must say, that as a 20 year old who once had every intention of marrying someday, I am extremely disappointed by the reality of what marriage is. I would much rather die alone and happy than to live my life perpetually stressed and frustrated trying to “endure” and “perservere” with someone else.

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  2. Layla

    Be great if someone could write a blog post on passive aggressive communication and how destructive it is to relationships. This style of shut down communication might not result in a break up but it sure won’t help lessen the work load of a marriage. Just makes it even harder and that much more exhausting…

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  3. gail

    marriage is only hard work because husbands are involved.

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  4. Mich

    Yes Jo. You have nailed it. It is damn hard work. I am still riding the bloody roller coaster, and some days I just think “How is this my life and how is this guy my chosen partner?” Other days I think…”Yes, we are so in synch, and thank God I never left, despite the many fantasies of doing so.”

    EVERY DAY though, I just thank God (or whoever;)) for my fabulous girlfriends that give me so much more emotionally, as a group, than he ever could! After all, he’s just a man!

    Hang in there honey, and if not, I reckon you could charter a bus full of us who will be ready to hit the road with ya! Xx

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  5. Susan

    It doesn’t have to be that hard! I ‘ve been married 5 years and we’ve never had anything like what is described here. Im not saying that to be smug, but just to show another possibility.
    Single/engaged people, there are some things you can do to set yourselves up for a much smoother ride.1) Choose wisely. Go for the nice guy, they are called that because they are nice, bad-boys are in fact BAD and will remain that way especially if their is behaviour is condoned by a partner hanging around and accepting their shit.
    2) Pre-marriage counselling, do it and take it seriously. Learn how to FIGHT FAIR before the shine dulls on your engagement ring. Arguments are about solution finding, not attacking eachother. Be open to the possibility of dissolving the engagement if counselling reveals a mismatch between you, better to end an engagement than a marriage.
    3) My Opa gave my then fiancé and I a key piece of advice too; “whenever you don’t know how to react, choose the kindest option. Works every time.” Contrary to the pop song, love is NOT a battlefield, that is in fact the opposite of love.
    4) you have to be equally committed. For us, we agreed the divorce is not a word we would ever use as a threat, or even a joke. ‘Til death do us part.

    But now reading that it looks like a lot of work I suppose, but it’s not so draining if it’s peaceful work.

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  6. Anonymous

    Excellent article. Reminds me of a Dr Cox quote from Scrubs:

    “Relationships don’t work the way they do on television and in the movies: Will they, won’t they, and then they finally do and they’re happy forever — gimme a break. Nine out of ten of them end because they weren’t right for each other to begin with, and half the ones that get married get divorced, anyway. And I’m telling you right now, through all this stuff, I have not become a cynic, I haven’t. Yes, I do happen to believe that love is mainly about pushing chocolate-covered candies and, you know, in some cultures, a chicken. You can call me a sucker, I don’t care, ’cause I do…believe in it.

    Bottom line…is the couples that are truly right for each other wade through the same crap as everybody else, but, the big difference is, they don’t let it take ‘em down.”

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  7. Kate o

    My parents have been married for 30 years and just renewed their wedding vows! I know relationships CAN be hard at times but I think saying marriage is hard work is just as crap as fairy tale marriages.

    Every marriage is different some are fairy tales and some aren’t but I’d rather believe in the fairy tale than believe I could ever detest my husband so much that I emotionally blackmail him for some twisted retribution for my life not turning out the way I thought it would

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  8. anna

    Hills and valleys….remember that is normal – just dont do anything stupid and irreversible during the tough times. And take a moment to step back and enjoy it when it’s good.

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  9. katiegirl

    On Monday I found out that my boyfriend/best friend of 5 1/2 years cheated on me just after New Years. F*** life right now!!

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    • FuFu

      Ah, that’s just shit. I’m sorry. :(

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    • Pinto

      How utterly crap!

      Tough times ahead katiegirl and I wish you all the support you need around you to make the hard choices that go with this situation.

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  10. Steph

    Seriously… Having a fight that could break up the marriage over forgetting an anniversary… It’s like you’re looking for an excuse for a divorce. Lighten up.

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    • distracted

      I’m not religious, but let she who is without sin cast the first stone.

      Unless you’re always completely rational and grounded in a relationship and don’t have any of your own foibles, how about you lighten up on Jo? She recognised that the whole fight was her fault and acknowledged her irrational motivations.

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    • Anonymous

      Steph, I think the fight just stemmed from pent up frustrations and annoyance, and forgetting the anniversary was just the catalyst. Often, my husband and I will have one of those rip-roaring arguments which start over something piddly and insignificant. It’s usually the spark for the fight, not the subject of it. :)

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  11. Jennifer

    I’ll bet there are lots of women who’d love the problem of their husbands working too hard. Mine hasn’t worked in anything resembling productive employment in the last three years. 2013 is the year of enough for me and ta ta to him.

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  12. Bella

    This post is completely correct. Marriage and any long term relationship is hard work! It’s a pity that when one part of a couple decides its all too hard when in reality it is hard! I’m 27 and a lot of my friends seem to only care about getting engaged and ‘the wedding’… It makes me wonder how long those marriages will last!

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  13. Frances

    I love you Jo Abi. For some reason this post made me feel really great and hopeful. Thank you so much for the honesty. I always enjoy reading your stuff.

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    • misspeta

      Couldn’t agree more, Frances! There’s no one I enjoy reading more on this site than Jo Abi and I loved this piece for its searing honesty but also the hope it delivers. I’m in a defacto relationship but would like to think its much the same. It’s hard work – but if you work through the ‘conflicty’ bits and savour the good times, it’s well worth it. Anyone who says marriage doesn’t involve maintenance isn’t being totally honest, I reckon!

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  14. Tess

    Love this!

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  15. Sophie

    This piece is absolutely 100% spot on.

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  16. Cat

    Marriage is a choice. You have to choose each other EVERY day. And yes, it’s harder some days than others but, worth it in the end.

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  17. chichi711

    This article is FABULOUS and so true. I am not married but I have many friends and family who are – I really dislike hearing the words “I’m getting married because I love him/her”

    I agree that marriage is like a full time job that never ends and fortunately for me I have a very busy job and no room for another, at least for now!!!

    Great article :)

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  18. chichi711

    This article is FABULOUS and so true. I am not married but I have many friends and family who are – I really dislike hearing the words “I’m getting married because I love him/her”

    I agree that marriage is like a full time job that never ends and fortunately for me I have a very busy job and no room for another, at least for now!!!

    Great article :)

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  19. Kylie L

    Great, true piece- I have been married 18 years this Saturday and have found that working at my marriage is much like exercise- most of the time I really couldn’t be arsed, but everything feels better when I do.

    Off topic, but (as an author) I found this true of getting published too. I thought it was all I ever wanted, and if I achieved that goal I’d be happy for ever after. Wrong. Just like marriage, and probably for any other significant achievement or attained life goal. Being happy ever after is much more about liking yourself and what you’re doing with your life than it is due to ticking any particular box- be that marriage, baby, job, degree, Olympic gold medal, whatever. Actually, that wasn’t too off topic ;)

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  20. Charlie

    Jo Abi… Thank you! Love this post, it’s so honest and real and mirrors my own experiences in marriage… And normalises it for me. I think it’s something people who aren’t in long term partnerships may find harder to understand.,. By which I mean no disrespect. But I have two good friends who haven’t had long term relationships who both felt my life was happily sewn up when I got engaged and then married and three years on that few seems to still exist. But marriage is hard work and if you let it, I can see how the little things can become gaping holes after kids and many years of life and the invariable challenges we experience alone and seperately … I think it’s great to share advice and knowledge and I thank you for it.

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  21. Miss Finance

    I do agree with the general premise of this article but I wonder why this (and so many other recent posts on Mamamia) has to be about marriage?

    This entire post could have been about how relationships, not just marriage, can be hard. It’s exactly the same thing and would be a bit more inclusive of your many readers who are unmarried (many of whom are also parents), in defacto relationships or same sex relationships and so unable to marry.

    Even Jamila, in her recent post, admitted it’s really ‘love’ and not marriage per se that she is seeking…. why the recent obsession with being a bride then?      

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    • Bella

      I think jo is talking about her own life experience and given she is married talks about marriage. In no way did she intimate that long term relationships were not the same work or any less valid!

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      • Miss Finance

        Yes I realise that the author is married and talking about herself, I also don’t think she was implying that marriages are harder/better/more valid than other relationships.

        I still think the main premise of the post could’ve been about the difficulties people in relationships face though – the author herself is in one after all. Even the italicised questions at the end are all about marriage, not relationships.

        It’s a minor point and perhaps I’m being pedantic about a non-issue. I just feel that it excludes a whole group of people who aren’t or can’t get married who might otherwise have contributed some interesting points to the conversation is all.

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        • Rach

          I think you can take from any article what you want/need from it. And it goes the same for this piece. Jo is married and has written this article from her point of view. I am married but if I wasnt I dont think I would have taken any offence to her point, and I dont believe that was her intention too.

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          • Miss Finance

            I’m not offended either…? 

            I just think it’d be great if it had been written so that it was more relatable to, say, lesbian couples… who, in Australia anyway, are more than likely not married. I am heterosexual myself but would be really interested to have heard whether or not same sex couples have similar ebbs and flows in their long term relationships (my guess is that some do!) 

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  22. Curioser

    The hardest part of marriage for me is that I just don’t get back what I give into my relationship. I give and I give and give and get crumbs in return. This can be a bitter pill to swallow as it did not even occur to me that this could happen, I thought no matter what happened if I was perfect and took care of everything then the care would be equally reciprocated. I’m learning the hard way that is not always the case and most days I feel very lonely and unloved and I am only 29 years old (married for 6 years.) My husband can turn any argument around to be my fault, tonight he stopped me from buying icecream because “I’m too fat” and then had a go at me for making him feel guilty because I was sad at the way he treated me.

    I hope you all choose better than I did.

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    • Bon

      As someone who was stuck in a marriage like yours for 12 years, my advice is to get out now. After 6 years, it is unlikely that he is going to change. I wasted my 20s trying to make my marriage work, before finally realising that it just wasn’t possible. My husband’s psychiatrist of 20 years (who we went to see for marriage counselling) told me that my husband was incapable of empathy. It explained so much!

      I stayed in there for the kids, because I didn’t want to fail, because I believed that marriage was forever if you only worked hard enough. One person working hard at the marriage is not enough. Cut your losses and find some happiness in your life.

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    • InKL

      That’s really sad. No-one should be made to feel that way.

      You still have choices. Stay strong and true to yourself.

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    • Elsie

      Please leave him. You are young & have a great future. Nobody deserves to be treated like this.

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    • Kat

      Oh curiouser I feel your pain. It is an awful lonely, disappointing pain. When I got married I had such optimism about how it would be and how I would be able to make it a good, healthy relationship. My marriage went down a path which sounds a bit like yours. Something which really caused long term problems was my husband blaming me and resenting me for everything that went wrong in his life. I ended up leaving the marriage eventually… After 13 years and three children. Coming to terms with the disappointment that things didn’t work out as I had hoped was a really, really hard process. Best wishes for you and I encourage you to believe that your own happiness matters and that life and love can be good.

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    • Ladybug

      This sounds familiar….you deserve better! Not sure if you have kids but really consider your future together before you have children. I ended up splitting with a 5yo and 2yo and while I believe I made the right decision it is so much harder with kids involved.

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  23. Karli

    Greatest saying ever – When asked how a couple survived 60 years of marriage the response was…

    “We never wanted to get divorced at the same time”

    Gorgeous.

    Too bad I cannot say that about my now defunct ten year relationship. LOL

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  24. Pinto

    Great topic and great way to put it all there Jo. Thanks for being honest and sharing this experience.

    My partner and I are 6 years into our relationship and there has been a couple of rough times like this but we manage to work through them. Mostly I think the type of job I do has taught me many things about behaviour, learning & how to tackle issues and while it’s all very corporate the principles can be applied to personal situations also.

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  25. Pen

    Sounds a lot like my marriage. A lot! I feel strange seeing it written here but I am very glad to know this experience is a shared one.

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  26. Anonymous

    Whether or not people agree with you Jo, or not, thank you for your article- because like someone said ‘people don’t talk about this’. I value and am interested in other peoples experience- you never know when expressing yourself honestly and vulnerably (thanks Mama Mia!) is going to normalise someone elses experiences, or give insight into others experience life. I said to someone the other day sometimes I see my partner and am so attracted to him, other times, we have such great ‘soul connecting’ conversations, other times, we muck around and while I enjoy his company I don’t feel attracted to him at all, other times I look at this person and think ‘how did we end up together’…and I don’t know what other people think, but I think that’s okay. In our marriage at times we have both been attracted to other people (there’s something no one told me about!) and talked about it with each other (and not acted on it),,,I think any two people trying to live together can be hard anytime and excellent other times- I change, he changes- but I am so thankful to have someone who accepts me and loves me and is interested in me as I grow older and am not the same person I was when I married him at 25, 16 years ago.

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  27. My Two Cents

    Unless you’re actually prepared to get a divorce (or truly feel as though your marriage is realistically at that stage) then DO NOT EVER threaten your partner with leaving them or divorce. I don’t care how much you want to prove your point or how much you feel they’ve upset you.

    It’s called emotional blackmail and it is not only extremely unfair, it’s about one of the most self-centred and immature things you can do whilst trying to communicate with your partner. It’s lashing out and hurting them purely for the sake of hurting them. You do not do that to someone you love, no matter what.

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    • Me

      You might do it to shock the hell out of them though, and hopefully make them aware how bad things are and it’s time to change!

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    • Anonymous

      I could not agree more with this, perfectly put. When you are years into a relationship and are still pulling the “I’m leaving” card, all it does is destabilize the whole relationship. It is very immature.

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    • Feline

      I love this comment.

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    • B

      My mother used to say this to my father all the time. He used to take it until one day he told her to go. “You’ve said it enough. It’s obviously what you want.”
      I don’t think it’s really what she wanted at all, but they ended up separating. I don’t think my Mum could really articulate and communicate what she wanted to him and that was what came out.
      I have to agree with this comment – don’t say it unless you really truly mean it. Say it enough and he’ll believe – and might leave – you.

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    • Ladybug

      My ex threatened to leave half a dozen times. Along with everything else that was dysfunctional in our relationship, the last time he threatened to leave and slept in the spare room was the last time. I called him on it.

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  28. Eliza

    I really appreciate this post. In my own 5 year marriage, I’ve found that maturity, humour, perspective, empathy, and even the all-important love and compassion, sometimes desert one or both of you – usually at the time when you both need those qualities the most. I don’t want to go back to being single, but sometimes I bloody don’t want to be married either! And sometimes, everyone feels completely useless at being a grown-up, whether you’re married or not. I can appreciate that life isn’t perfect no matter what your status. Marriage is a daily commitment. It’s regenerative, renewable and hard work – just like everything else that is worth it. Jo’s honest post made me feel a little less alone today when I am in one of those marriage trough’s. Thanks Jo.

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  29. Solipsist

    I don’t want this to come across as mean to the writer, I just wanted to say that while reading this article it just struck me that the writer is the one that needs to be more aware and mature, not Jamila and others as she stated at the beginning of the article.

    Of course marriage is hard work, I would assume most people have moved beyond the life is a fairy tale crap.
    But furthermore, the examples the writer gave as why it’s hard just seemed like every day annoying things, if after 15 years the writer can’t cope with being called jo rather than joey, or her partner forgetting an anniversary then I’m not exactly sure why she’s giving advice to others.
    What about the death of a child, living below the poverty line, infertility, abuse, Gambling addiction, not being able to get support for a specials needs child? Or partner? There’s so many real issues that test a partnership, that go so far beyond not bringing home chocolates or not getting your lunch made…..

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    • Daisy

      Well said, except that I don’t believe it is hard work. You have to make an effort sometimes, for sure, but most of the time in my case (and I have written more below), it really isn’t work, let alone hard. I have been married for over 30 years.

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    • Summer

      I agree with you Solipsist, I think the article shows that the author and her husband need to do some personal development work on themselves and learn new behaviours and ways to communicate effectively. A good counselor is worth their weight in gold in these situations – you don’t have to wait until breaking point before seeking advice on how to do things better.

      I agree with Daisy too, that it doesn’t necessarily have to be hard work – I only realised this though, after being in relationships that were hard work and a huge struggle. I did a lot of work on myself and met a man who I have now been with for a few years, and it is EASY! Sure we have our differences, but we communicate through them and sort them out.

      I’ve never understood people who cause fights over the toothpaste lid or the toilet seat being up. If that’s all you have to worry about, then you have things pretty good. :-)

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    • Mosquitonet

      Solopist, I have to defend the writer here and could totally relate to her story.
      The examples she gave ( forgetting wedding anniversaries, pet names being withdrawn etc) were signs of deeper issues, not THE issues

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      • Solipsist

        I agree with you mosquitoe, I didn’t address that aspect in my reply. I really don’t want to sound disrespectful to the writer, I just got a bit put off by the way the article started in such a condescending way, then went on to things that one would hope is common sense, and didn’t really demonstrate much of a mature insight by the writer.

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  30. PPP

    Oh thatnk goodness it’s not just MY relationship that goes like that!! It’s so easy to think you’re the only one struggling and finding it hard, especially when those around you seem to be doing it so much easier…

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  31. kateb

    I meant to say before, we have made a joke out of who remembers the anniversary first , a few times i have woken him up that night claiming “first”

    its like present we can never think what to buy for each other so we buy our won present and the excitement is over what would he /she like that they have bought. still a lot of fun,

    i think that is the big answer coming out in these comments: humour

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  32. theoriginalpinny

    thanks so much for this article Jo(ey!)
    Í commented yesterday but I don’t think it went through – that the wedding is what so many women are focused on without much thought to the marriage that comes after, and is supposed to be forever.
    Marriage is hard work. Lots of people think that there is no difference when you are married but there is.
    This is a great article which articulates what some of these differences are.

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  33. Claire

    OMG, brilliant!

    After 6 years of marriage the Mr & i are stronger than ever but we also have the could end in breakup fights a couple of times a year!!! We always deep down know we never would and the fights are started by stupid things that seem so big because we are overtired or fed up about something outside of our marriage but boy oh boy… glad to know we are “normal”!
    Marriage is ups and downs but thankfully mostly ups and i wouldn’t have my life any other way.

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  34. Daisy

    My husband and I have been together for 36 years. We lived together first as students in a share house, back when it was considered out there.
    We were friends before we were lovers and I truly think that helps.
    We have had our moments, and our arguments, usually at times of stress and over a lifetime, you can’t avoid those.
    I can honestly say that I don’t think either of us would call it hard work.
    I don’t know the answer but I think respect and valuing the other person and not taking them for granted helps. Everyone needs to be appreciated and feel like someone has your back. Honesty, communication, maturity and commitment are key.
    If you don’t have trust then you can forget it. Neither my husband nor I would even consider not being together just because we have a rough patch.My husband has to go overseas for work at times. I miss him and he misses me. He gets to go to interesting places but always says that sharing it with someone is way more fun.
    We love each other and are a team. I know I have been no fun to live with at times (menopause etc) and he works too hard but we talk about it and try to solve issues. I still wouldn’t say marriage is hard work.
    Oh, and we never remember our anniversary but really, neither of us is bothered.

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  35. Nancy

    That has to be one of the best and most honest articles I have ever read. Thank you for your honesty. I am newly married and you make me feel so normal.

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    • CheckOutZoe

      Me too! – I am about two months married and the honeymoon period is really very over! I love my husband, and I love the person he is, but you work at it every day. Some days are harder than others! Waking up and falling in love day after day is a choice, it never just happens.

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      • Daisy

        Wow, I am really sorry to hear that. You shouldn’t need to fall in love every day. You either love someone or you don’t.
        Did you not really know each other before you married? Has one of you got expectations about how things are different after marriage e.g. is one of you behaving differently now?
        You should talk this over with your husband.

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        • CheckOutZoe

          I am in love with my husband and I absolutely love we got married, I wouldn’t change a thing. However, I don’t believe love just happens and that the effort you put in to maintain your marriage doesn’t just happen, it’s a choice. I think it is a lovely thing that I choose every day to fall in love! That is a positive! We are two fiery sparks and sometimes it’s enough for a bomb to blast. Just like everybody else. It’s these times that I see strength with my partner and me, not when it’s easy.

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          • Daisy

            Ok, I don’t really understand this but good luck.

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  36. jlee

    Sorry Jo, as a single 38 year old I’m not sure that’s exactly single girls think. I speak on behalf of myself and i am not naive to what marriage is about. I want to get married and would love a fairytale but i know that’s not real life. I have had a relationship that lasted longer than some marriages and i am well aware of the hard times in a relationship. Just because i am single doesn’t mean i have never been committed and when i am in a relationship it doesn’t mean i think single people don’t understand the ups and downs of being in a relationship. I get it, relationships are hard work, whether they are with friends, family or husbands… I know life is not Pretty Woman or the Notebook, and i am happy about that and would still choose what you have, fights, struggles, feeling lonely and all….

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    • Solipsist

      I just made a comment saying something pretty similar, it seemed so condescending, I don’t anyone that thinks that it should be a fairytale.
      This whole article just seemed like common sense.

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  37. Elizabeth

    I love this article. I have been married for 3 years to
    my great Husband and some days I could throttle him but most days are good. I can relate that it goes up and down. Thanks for the great article:)

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  38. TK

    I can totally relate to this, thank you for being so honest. Once kids are in the picture it’s so much harder! Me and hubby have had similar dynamics of losing touch with each other, and me saying lets split, and then us both regretting it and making it work again.

    I like to think that everyone has those times when they wonder why they married such an idiot, and if they don’t they are in denial lol.

    But seriously if there’s no conflict in marriage then I believe someone is not being honest or aware of their own needs and wants, or not conscious of themselves. I love being married but it is tough and such a wonderful way to help me become a more aware healthy while person if Iearn from our fights and arguments.

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  39. kateb

    i love the way you have explained this, i spend some time trying to explain to younger friends that there is this yo yoing between hollywood love and just surviving in a marriage, but holding on is worth it.

    my husband and I have nearly 40 years of it, and we look back on some spectacular fights and equally spectacular makeups.

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  40. Andrew Barron

    My parents met when mum went to get scooba diving lessons, consequently, from my father.

    They dated for 4 weeks before MUM popped the question.

    They got married, and none of my fathers parents liked the relationship, (my aunty on dads side actually told my mother that she wasnt good enough for her little brother)

    They’ve been together now 25 years and are going on they’re 25th anniversary on a cruise to Thiland.

    Sometimes it just sticks, and yes, they’ve had their fights, and occasionally they’ve threatned to end it all. But never because of each other.

    I’m the second child out of 5, and I’m positive we’re the cause of the majority of their fights.

    Marraige is easy if you have the right person. Kids are impossible (im 21 now, the youngest is 16)

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  41. Napoleon

    It’s hard to disagree with the guts of this article – of course anything worth of having and keeping is hard work (as well as amazing and devastating and rewarding and exhilarating and so on). I think I don’t like the opening which suggests that single people have this myopic and fairytaled view of marriage that we married folk need to shatter for their own good. I also wanted to add that marriage isn’t just hard work! making lunch for each other and using nicknames, if that’s your thing, feels joyous and lovely when everything is clicking along nicely.

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  42. anon for this one

    Thanks for your honesty Jo, not many people would be this brave. I agree, marriage is hard work. Since we’ve had the kids, the thing we argue most about is sex. He wants more, I’m not as interested as I used to be, but I try to put the effort in. I know it’s just a stage, and once the kids get a little bit older I’ll get my mojo back. He wants sex, I want romance! We go through a stage where its all good but it’s one of things that blows up every once in a while. It’s funny, my Nan hinted in a round about way the other day that this was an issue for her too!

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    • kateb

      watch the youtube clip Amanda Gore “the difference between men and woman” i dont fully agree but it is worth the laugh, my husband was the one who saw it first

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    • Karyn

      I’m not sure where I heard/read this but I think it spot on.

      “Woman need romance to have sex. Men need sex to feel romance”

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    • Anonymous

      I think this is an issue with more people than we realise. We just don’t talk about it.
      I don’t sit at a cafe with my friends & tell them my husband & I had a huge fight last night because it’s a week since we had sex, I genuinely had a head ache, then he announced that I obviously don’t love him anymore & I was left feeling like it doesn’t matter how I feel, as long as he gets it more than once a week.
      You just don’t have those conversations.
      I keep telling him, he should be grateful, you ‘hear’ about couples who only have sex every few months. But I have no evidence, beccause… people don’t talk about it.
      It’s the one thing that flares up every time I’m busy or sick & being told I don’t love him because we haven’t had sex for 8 days, nearly makes me want to pack up & walk out. All the other things I do just don’t count as much as that & it drives me nuts.

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      • anon for this one

        Thanks for replying to my comment, it made me feel very normal! I don’t feel like I can talk about this in detail to my friends so it’s good to hear I’m not the only one! My husband, like yours, wants it more than once a week, and I just can’t get my head around the way men think sometimes!

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        • anon

          same problem with us

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  43. Anonymous

    Hit a note with me. Made me tear up :)

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  44. SBDH

    Thank you for writing so honestly; so many of us do grow up thinking it’s just ‘happily ever after’ like the books say and the reality is somewhat grittier!

    I’m really happy in my long-term relationship — we’re not married, but have been together almost a decade with a kid, a mortgage, and a strong acknowledgement of wanting to spend the rest of our lives together. But we do fight occasionally, and sometimes those fights are big enough that I wonder how we’ll ever find our way back. Sure, I get that some people don’t fight and find it easy the way some people find parenthood easy — and good luck to them (although I’m wary of their easy prescriptions when they’re the relationship equivalent of a genetically-blessed supermodel!). It’s important to acknowledge that many of us don’t find it easy, and there are some times in our conflicts that we react like a hurt child instead of an adult, and that’s normal (although we’d prefer not to, etc. – but we do sometimes).

    So I don’t agree with other posts judging how you reacted to your husband, I think it’s human and fallible and normal. I’m also intrigued by the saying “make sure you don’t fall out of love at the same time” — we can all make best efforts, etc., but how is that within your control, ultimately? I think it’s just easier to accept we’re all works in progress in some way, we’re all learning about ourselves and them and trying to be better people. And if your relationship helps you do that, then that’s the place to be.

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  45. Emma

    Interesting article, but it doesn’t ring true for me at all. My husband and I don’t always have a perfect relationship, but we are always open and honest, and when we have disagreements we resolve them and move on. I have never once thought my relationship is ‘bloody hard work’. I don’t think I would stay in a relationship if it was.

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    • Sweets

      Me too. I am not married but my partner and I have been together for 15 years. I have to say it’s not perfect but it’s the “easiest” relationship with another human being that I have ever had. If it was bloody hard work all the time then I don’t think I could do it.

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  46. Jess

    My husband and I have being together since 14, married at 20 and just about to celebrate 16 years of marriage (this Friday…he reminded me) I don’t have any real advice, but from the very beginning we accepted each other and we talk a lot, about everything, that way we are not assuming what the other is thinking from our perspectives, which is not a good thing in any relationship. Clear communication and acceptance works for us. Oh and like each other.

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  47. Serena

    Love this article, thanks for your honesty Jo. I can totally relate to the peaks and troughs and then the cycle starting over again. This is a pattern the two of you have fallen into and it will continue until you deal with whatever it is that is fuelling it. There is definitely some stuff between you and your husband that hasn’t been resolved.

    My husband and I were stuck in a similiar cycle, we loved each other a lot but didn’t know how to handle our negative emotions and “baggage”. Like you, I would threaten to leave – simply because I didn’t know what else to do. I just knew I didn’t want to keep on living like that.

    We saw several counsellors, alone and separately. One psychologist in particular, was no help at all, in fact she actually made things worse. Psychologists and counsellors are like hairdressers – there are a few superb ones who were born to do the job, a lot of okay ones, and a few who are completely useless and should look for another career.

    After that experience we gave up for a while. But of course, the cycle continued, the same arguments about the same things over and over and over….

    In the end we found a therapist who really “got” what was going on with us and helped us both learn different ways of reacting, which changed everything.

    Jo, if you two have lasted this long then the marriage is worth fighting for. Some Mamamia commentors have said they they think relationships shouldn’t be so hard. Maybe for them it’s not! We don’t know what your personal issues are, or your husband’s, your history or anything else. Some people DO have to work harder to have a happy relationship – I know because I’m one of them. Perhaps some people are just more complex or more damaged, who knows? So don’t worry about those comments.

    Good luck!

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    • Anonymous

      yes yes yes!
      Doubt doesnt necessarily mean dont! Marriage and committment is work and yes, some of us do need to work harder at having relationships.
      For those who can relate, this website is like a breath of fresh air! http://conscious-transitions.com/

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    • Gill

      Hi Anon,
      If you’re in Sydney by chance I’d really love to know who you saw. It is so hard to find a therapist who can really help. Any advice or suggestions you can provide would be appreciated.

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    • Anonymous

      Any chance your amazing therapist is in Sydney? if so, details please!

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  48. Sol

    Here here!

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  49. Chrissy

    Let the little shit go.

    Accept your partner will be different and place importance on different things to you. And this is good, isn’t it – I mean, who wants a carbon copy of themself?

    In the specific case mentioned – Men’s brains are apparently not wired to remember details like anniversaries (in the hunter gatherer scenario, it was the women who needed to keep track of intricacies. So if you remove the expectation that he will remember, you relieve a lot of disappointment.

    My partner treats me with love and respect. He is a good father and a great communicator.

    I do not give a toss if he leaves the toilet seat up or forgets things. These things are meaningless in the big picture of our relationship.

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    • Renee

      “Let the little shit go”. My number one piece of relationship advice

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    • elle

      I think saying men aren’t biologically wired to remember anniversaries is a bit of a cop out and ridiculous. It is just like forgetting a birthday and it only happens once a year so surely husbands can make the effort to at least remember if they know it is important to their wives. For me it isn’t a little thing and I would be very upset if my partner forgot my birthday or our anniversary.

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      • Chrissy

        So that is important to you. It may not be to him though but this can be overcome with good communication and compromise.
        In a partnership, sometimes you do something purely because it is important to your partner, with absolutely no payoff to yourself. You do it willingly and graciously and with no expectation of return. Just because it makes them happy

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  50. Kristy

    Brilliant.

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