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Brendan Maclean. Photo: Brock Elbank.

Sprinting; I hadn’t sprinted since Little Athletics. Even then I wasn’t very good. Yet there I was, a 24-year-old with two grocery bags full of belongings, tripping over my skinny jeans like a drunken giraffe trying to escape a starved lion.

There I was – sprinting away from my man.

After being together for two years, it was the new password on his phone that roused my suspicion. And with a single lapse in his concentration I cracked it and was scrolling through his texts. There, listed only with the suburb the other cock lived in, was this: “I hope we can do it again, I want to see your face next time.”

My first thought was surprisingly logical, like a child asking when their dog will be home after hearing it was hit by a car: “Well that’s silly. Why didn’t he delete this?” Then it fell upon me. Perhaps not shattered but squished. It was as if our relationship was a sponge that had soaked up expensive wine and now was being wrung dry. My arms shook and snot exploded out of my face like a Play-Dough toy being sat on by a fat baby. Even I was struck by how melodramatically I reacted because, to be frank, I’ve already written this article in reverse.

It had only been a year since I’d cheated on him. Since then we’d worked on things, started laughing again, having good nights and great sex. Perhaps comfort is the killer? Anyway, here we are tit for tat, an eye for an eye, a cheat for the cheated despite his promise it would never be that way.

We seem to have trouble with keeping our dicks in our pants, us gays. Perhaps it’s one of the few traits we share with our heterosexual brothers. Although, with double the testosterone at play, the speed of our transaction is near immediate. This, I believe, is the basis of how my boyfriend came to cheat on me. My physical or emotional absence that week was justification enough for him to click, sign-up or swipe on to any of the many cruising applications, those desperately simple fuck-finding devices that remove any lingering questions of intent while you peruse the meat-market. And it’s that understanding which is unique to The Gay. Yes, the straights have their cute matchmaking sites, chat lines and Blendr, but we have mastered it. We have embraced it with such tenacity that even couples now simply keep Grindr on their phones after they’ve gotten into a relationship.

Constant cruising and eternal flirting has become an in-built element of homosexuality and, in my self-righteous, recently-cheated-upon opinion, stands as another kick in the balls to the idea of monogamy.

Sorry, I should have put a language warning on this. Yes, I believe in monogamy.

My friends did what any good friends do in this situation: tolerated my crying, wheezing and oinking, got me drunk, served up pity and empathy by the barrel full. But then came this gem:

“Well monogamy isn’t ‘natural’, is it Brendan?”

More surprising than what was where this sentence came from. Sure I had fantasised about open relationships before, read about them in BUTT Magazine and in interviews with famous jet-setting gays, but only then had it materialised as a direct option for my life from the mouths of my dearest and most respected friends. If they think it’s right then maybe I was the one who had been doing it all wrong all this time?

For the most part I agree. I am astutely aware that two people – let alone two fags – can hardly wish for the lifelong relationships of swans. The concept of monogamy has become a joke, a distant relic. We use it with disdain in sentences along with words such as compliant, text-book and hetero-normative.

As open relationships begin to gain popularity, hoping for monogamy has become something I’m ashamed of, something I hide. A trip away, a busy schedule or simply not being in the same room means the other person has a chance to cheat but to hell with you if you have the gall to raise concerns about it.

What right do you have being merely the subject of someone’s love? What right do you have to stop them from releasing their jizz cannon upon the world? The open relationship rulebook is still a fairly new release that currently looks a little like this:

Only once / twice / thrice with any gay. Never / always tell me everything. Only / not with friends. Only in a different country / state / town / clubs / rooms.

Needless to say, getting advice on how to start an open relationship is about as safe as writing a PhD using Wikipedia. It does genuinely work for some people. Dan Savage sold it best with a retort to Stephen Colbert’s accusation that open relationships constituted as cheating.

“Is it really cheating if the man I love is on the other side of the guy I’m sleeping with?” he asked.

But it’s with a heavy heart that I discuss these ideas at all, terrified that my boyfriend will be excited and relieved that I’ve finally “modernised” my heart. So here I am, a closeted lover, my dirty little secret being that I just want to love and make love to one person at a time and that maybe, just maybe, they only want to love me.

I have one decent defence for monogamy, being that keeping yourself for your fella could lead to the most incredible sex of your life. That as time passes you will explore different, deeper, desirable things. That in the place of immediate, drunken, intensity is long-lasting romance coupled with mind-blowing, loving fucking.

Yes, we need sex and flirting in our everyday life. We need it to be good but sometimes we just need a cuddle. And we both know no one on ManHunt has a profile which reads: “Emotional rock, shoulder to lean on and I know exactly where you want me to put my tongue.”

Alternatively, fuck all this shit and stay single.

Brendan’s latest music video Only Only has just been released. Check it out:

Brendan is a regular presenter at Triple J, a singer and an actor. He is also an obsessive compulsive Tweeter – you should follow him here. You might also enjoy Brendan’s other posts on Mamamia:

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120 Comments so far

  1. teagan-jai

    i have had this before i was a cheater until i got cheated on, and the best thing to do is cry the cheaters a river biuld yourself a bridge and get over it, if u dont alot of more worst thing will come ur way!!!

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  2. sandandsurf

    Sorry, Brendan, don’t mean to sound harsh but that’s karma for you, and I can’t feel for you.

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  3. Kate Hunter

    I love this post and I adore Brock’s photo of you, Brendan.

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  4. twelvedates

    Sending hugs to you, Brendan, and some Kleenex for your snot covered face.

    Kate x

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  5. Miche

    Good luck finding what you want Brendan. It is out there, somewhere :)

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  6. AJS

    Is a term that starts with l and ends with esbian banned from this site or something? My comment keeps being marked as spam automatically and it doesn’t have any offensive words.

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    • Rick Morton

      Weird, we don’t have word filters. Normally comments flagged as spammy if there’s more than one link so not sure why yours was. I just approved it so it should be there now.

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    • Lana

      Lord no – we have a tag on our site called Gay and Lesbian. Not sure why the comments are going to spam – will check it out

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      • AJS

        Yeah, that’s why I was especially puzzled. It’s fixed now though :)

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  7. AJS

    That said, while lesbians have a reputation as being sticklers for monogamy, I do know of lesbian couples who have open relationships. It’s about trust and agreed boundaries. The concept of open relationships doesn’t appeal to me, and I’m very soon going to be in a long distance relationship so I’ll be interested to see how I feel after a while.

    My brother’s girlfriend went on a date with an old ex-boyfriend from high school days, who is also a really close friend of my brother’s, and he got (understandably) really jealous. I think I would be the same. But I haven’t been in that situation so I would never know what I’d do. But theoretically, the thought of someone I’m in love with going to dinner with someone they have history with would make me more jealous than hearing that she hooked up with someone who she wasn’t in love with and just was sexually attracted to.

    I think it would perhaps be a challenge if one partner is monogamous but is understanding that the other partner in the relationship doesn’t want to be. Cause one may start out as ok with it but then become jealous later. See: many of Shane’s girlfriends on The L Word.

    In the lesbian community, there is somewhat of a double standard about monogamy. If a femme-identified lesbian cheats, she’s an undesirable cheater. If an andro, soft-butch or butch identified woman cheats, she is just being an alluring ‘stud’. We saw this on the show, too. Shane slept with over a thousand women allegedly yet no-one ever called her an offensive term for cheating with a straight face (and I hate that word). If they had a more femme character like Dana or Jenny have Shane’s characteristics and storyline, I seriously doubt that they would have gotten the sympathy that Shane was given about her father leaving when she was young so that’s why she sleeps around etc. Femme lesbians are treated like straight women, wheras more butch lesbians are treated like straight men (when you compare it to the s-word/stud dynamic with regards to cheating in heterosexual relationships).

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    • Trog

      That femme-butch dynamic is interesting stuff.

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  8. Melsie

    All my gay male friends are in long term monogamous relationships, and happily so. Good luck in finding what you wish for!

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  9. Poppy

    I don’t understand how can you write about how upset you are from being cheated on, all the agony you are feeling now when you did exactly that to your boyfriend. Is the experience more traumatic when you feel it? Sorry. Hypocrite. No sympathy. You’re like Phi Phi O’Hara crying crocodile tears with your tale of woe.

    You discuss these ideas with a “heavy heart”? C’monnnn. You’re publishing them on a website! With a link to your new music video [Out now! Click here! Here are some lyrics!]

    I don’t exactly get the point of this. Are you exposing your ‘brave and honest’ emotional scars for all to see? Promoting your new video clip? Are you trying to make people bring up their breakfast? It reeks of convenient cross-promotion.

    Think I’ll just go and ‘jizz cannon’ my brains out now.

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    • Rick Morton

      Brendan wrote this on his own personal blog. It was MM who asked him if we could run it here and it was MM who put Brendan’s new video in at the end, like we do with all our authors who create things whether it be books or something else.

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    • Melsie

      That is so unnecessarily rude

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    • Poppy

      Point taken re: the music video. I still think quoting your own song in a post is a little arrogant.

      I also stand by my point about questioning the motivations behind writing the blog post, especially when the author is someone in the public eye who will obviously attract many readers. Both this one and the “I cheated” article feel geared towards generating sympathy from the readers.

      I suppose what irritates me about this piece is that it doesn’t matter if Brendan is being cheated on or the ‘honest’ cheater, in both instances he presents himself as a victim. There are always two sides to any story and I’d love to read an article by his partner about his version of events.

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  10. ok

    Could Brendan have just demolished the gay marriage debate? Own goal? O.o

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    • Rick Morton

      Did that straight couple who cheated on each other dismantle the case for heterosexual marriage?

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      • Joey

        I think its more the part where he went on and on about gays being promiscuous, always on the prowl…

        =/

        I’m sure it wasn’t his intention, but I can see why some people may feel it is a bit of an ‘own goal’.

        Of course, the other way you can look at his story is from the angle that gays should have their relationships supported (as someone mentioned below), of course they should be able to get married.

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        • Rick Morton

          It’s just one perspective though. Brendan no more speaks for the entire homo population than one straight person represents all of them. I have gay and lesbian friends who have been together for years and I have others who can barely stay in a relationship. But I have straight friends like that too.

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          • Joey

            Obviously – but that is why it is an ‘own goal’ on Brendan’s behalf.

            An own goal is when one team player screws up. It isn’t about the whole team losing, it is about one team member doing something to the detriment of the team.

            I’m not saying that I necessarily think that this is what Brendan has done, but it is still worth thinking about.

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            • Rick Morton

              This isn’t to the detriment of the team.

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            • Joey

              “We seem to have trouble with keeping our dicks in our pants, us gays.”

              Not a bit reductionist? Bon, ok.
              We will have to agree to disagree!

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    • Kate

      Are you serious?????

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    • Kylie2

      I think it reinforces that gay couples who really want to commit to monogamy should be supported and acknowledged. They should be able to define their relationship in absolute terms like hetero couples can.

      Maybe the vows should include something about foresaking all “meat-market”apps to make it absolutely clear!

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  11. Anon anon

    I cheated on my ex twice… It wasn’t something he ever found out about, sand I realised later, after breaking off our 6 year relationship that it was because I needed someone to love me the way I loved him. I knew he cared, but I never really had all of him. I hated myself for what I was doing, but in the end, we never make these decisions if we know we have it all at home… It sounds like you both know things aren’t right and that you are both in denial if you are still trying to make things “normal” between you. Figure out what is missing… Then either bring it to each other, or get out and find it elsewhere. Btw,
    I am now married, with two kids and will never make those choices. But I understand why some people do…

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  12. snippygal

    I cant believe this, “there wasnt a gutter filty enough for me to cry in” really struck a chord with me, Gay or Striaght, we are all human, make mistakes and have feelings. I was shocked to read this as a follow up.

    Tough situation to be in and I feel for you, you hate the situation but feel your hands are tied because you did the very same thing.

    I admire your honestly and love your writing, and monogamy ? isn’t natural ?….I feel like its the most pathetic get of jail free card there is.

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  13. Kate

    This is in response to the many comments below asserting monogamy a choice.
    It is, but it is in the same way that being a loyal best mate, being a good sibling, having work ethic, values, sense of social justice, are a “choice.”
    These things come rather automatically as it feels good to do the right thing. It’s EASIER to do the right thing too.
    I feel a bit depressed by some of the comments below that state monogamy is a “daily choice.” Makes it sound like some awful low carb, low fat diet. Boring, hard to stick to and inevitably ending in binge eating!
    I don’t think monogamy is like that.
    I love my boyfriend so much that he IS the indulgence. I can’t wait to see him everyday.
    I’ve cheated before too on a previous partner so I don’t want to come across as moral high-ground-y but my personal experience and opinion is that cheating is a symptom of a relationship that probably isn’t meant to be. But of course, everyone is different. I’m interested to learn if many people feel comfortable with polygamous relationships.

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  14. Joey

    Sorry Brendan, sorry Rick, but I can’t help it, I just want to match-make you two!

    Imagine the smart kids you would have. 2022′s Man Booker winner! Or Pulitzer Prize for Journalism!

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    • Rick Morton

      Ha! I love you. That’s very kind. I’m sure Brendan will have smart kids anyway!

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  15. Joey

    Brendan, I love your writing.

    But why do you think guys are more inclined to cheat than women?

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    • Mia

      Are men biologically programmed to ‘spread their seed’?

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      • Joey

        Everyone is biologically programmed to ‘spread their seed’.

        Example: I know shit loads of girls and women who cheat and / or enjoy sleeping around.

        The whole ‘caveman’ argument of women wanting stability/monogamy as this is better for child-raising (keep the man who then protects them and hunts for them) and for men wanting to ‘spread their seed’ (more than woman) to ensure their genes are passed on is logically flawed. If one guy gets 10 women pregnant and none of them have any caveman to look after them, by the logic above, all the babies would die anyway and so no genes passed on anyway.

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        • Anonymous

          I think that argument is flawed. Because by spreading their seed they have more chance of an offspring making it to adulthood. And a lot of animals have one main man who has lots of sex with all the females then they all live together and he protects them all. Hence survival of the fittest, only the biggest toughest males get to breed.
          Also women biologically have a lot to lose by having sex. We might get pregnant, and in caveman time that’s a very high risk enterprise because birth was dangerous and then you’re stuck with a baby for years.
          Anyway I don’t really know much about cavemen. Just thinking of another way of looking at it. Thank god we now have reliable contraception :-)

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          • Joey

            But if women don’t get pregnant how do they pass on their genes? This seems like a lot to loose too.

            Also, humans are not lions. I have never heard of there having been ‘one main caveman’.

            And finally – you didn’t consider my argument correctly – you say:

            “Because by spreading their seed they have more chance of an offspring making it to adulthood.”

            The thing is, if it is risky for the woman, it is risky for the man. A man needs a woman to make a baby, and vice versa. The risks – in terms of passing on one’s genes – is the same for man and woman as it depends on survival of the offspring. If a guy impregnates 10 women who are then unable to fend for themselves / die from issues with pregnancy then his ‘spreading of the seed’ has not been at all successful. He would have been far better sticking with the one (or two) women and helping them raise the baby.
            Likewise, if a woman wants to get pregnant she is probably better off sleeping around with a few different men – that way she is less likely to get stuck with an infertile guy etc etc.

            Bloody caveman argument, it needs to be widely acknowledged that it is a load of balony.

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            • Joey

              Sorry ‘lose’ – can’t edit.

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        • Susan As Well

          Joey is right. But there’s more …

          In the millions of years prior to the last couple of thousands or so where the “man is biologically programmed to have sex with everything that moves” propaganda became urban law, women also had sex with everything that moved. For survival of the species and a lot of fun I would imagine.

          Women had no need to pin a man down to his responsibilities, so to speak, because looking after babies was the job of the group. Babies were passed around the group and cared for by everyone as if they were their own. This was to ensure the survival of the species if something happened to the mother. And it worked because here we all are today. Mothers and fathers were free to spread their seeds equally.

          When the Roman civilisation rose to world dominance and Romans became richer from all their plundering, it was the men who decided they needed to pin the women down so they could be sure that they passed their property onto a child they were certain was their own. Women lost their rights to have sex with whomever and whenever and penalties were severe if they did – beginnings of male-dominated societies and, one could even say, domestic violence that was socially sanctioned. And men continued on,having sex whenever as they have done since time immemorial.

          There is debate amongst social historians as to why women let this happen to themselves. The reasons given most are that the severe penalties deterred women from risking having sex with anyone else, complete loss of contact with their babies and the social group and loss of at least a limited form of personal freedom. Women also saw that it advanced their children’s prospects if their children inherited the property of their husbands.

          So, no, Mia, history and science both show that men are not more biologically programmed to spread their seed than women. It is only a recent development, created not by nature but by men, enshrined in laws of the time and most probably is not going to stand the test of time. We already see that women think its a whole lot of hoohah now because they are choosing when, how and whom they want to have sex with.

          In a deep relationship between people, monogamy is based on not betraying the trust of another that you care about. It’s not about passing on property to the right child which is the real underlying reason for the development of the restriction of women’s sexual freedom and, conversely, there being no such restriction on men’s.

          The myth that men are *biologically programmed* to spread their seed and women aren’t prevents people from really looking at how the myth actually developed and so it can continue without anyone challenging the authenticity of it in an intelligent, informed manner.

          I went to university to learn this priceless bit of history but imagine if it was taught in schools? Or mothers and fathers knew enough to teach their sons and daughters this rather than the men are just biologically programmed blah blah blah…

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          • Joey

            Thank you Susan As Well – you are far more articulate than me.

            I learnt all about this at uni too, it annoys me no end that so many people blindly perpetuate these ‘convenient’ (for cheating men!) myths despite scientific and historical evidence to the contrary.

            So much of what is ‘common knowledge’ about sexuality is flawed. I did a course on the history of sexuality at uni and it blew my mind. The gap between ‘common knowledge’ and historical and biologicial evidence from research is just so massive.

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          • yep!

            I love you Susan As Well!

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  16. tanlee

    My first thought after reading this article was a random one. I considered what a service apps like Grindr must do for the gay community. It means gay men no longer have to hang out in public parks and toilets at the mercy of redneck straights who want to beat them up. Keeps them safer :)

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    • Mia

      Keeps them safer but as Brendan says…makes it easier to cheat?

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    • Kylie2

      Or makes them easier for rednecks to find?

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  17. Bailey-boo

    I adore your writing but not all gays are like this. One of by best gay friends is in a monogamous relationship, has been for years. Before this relationship he was in another long term monogamous relationship. Neither one have had to withstand cheating or ended for this reason.

    There are monogamous fish in the sea Brenden and I bet yours is desperate to find you! Be easy on yourself until then. x

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  18. Susan As Well

    Ooooh … I love reading your articles, Brendan.

    I think the pain that comes with betrayal makes monogamy right in a relationship. I don’t care if it is natural or not.

    Be kind to yourself xo

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    • Kylie2

      I totally agree Susan.

      If monogamy is so unnatural how come it makes us feel loved and valued and brave? If infidelity is normal why does it hurt so much? If you truly love someone why would you want to break their heart?

      Brendan, if you’re terrified that your man might embrace the idea of an open relationship clearly an open relationship is not for you. Why not delete the apps, pledge your fidelity and ask your man to do the same? If casual sex is more important to him than your well being he’s not “the one”.

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      • Gengen

        What they said :)

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        • Anonymous

          What Gengen said times ten.

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  19. Anon

    I really appreciate the honesty in this, and the previous article. It takes guts to write about something like this, putting your name and face to it and publishing it, making it permanent and discoverable, something that can be found at any time by anyone who Googles you. I salute you – I’m not sure I could write about matters of the heart and soul without some kind of cloak of anonymity.

    Having said that, the downer for me is this kind of perpetuation that cruising and cheating and promiscuity and mindless sex make up the gay male psyche. They don’t. I say this is someone with a gay sibling, with a gay in-law (not my brother’s partner, but my partner’s brother), gay cousins, gay friends, a gay ex-flatmate and plenty of gay ex-colleagues (I worked for the largest HIV charity in Europe where more than 50% of my colleagues were gay men).

    Some of them are faithful and have always been, others are not. One that I know of has had only one sexual partner, the same one he is now married to, and there are others that have had fewer than me. Some have anal sex, some have tried it in the past and now don’t, some have never had anal sex in their lives and never want to. A couple I know of have had threesomes but others haven’t. Some talk about their sex lives, others don’t.

    Pretty much like straight people I know – some have had threesomes, some have anal sex, some have cheated on their partners. Then there are all those straight people who never talk about sex and I wouldn’t know what they get up to either (not that I’m necessarily interested!)

    I just really wouldn’t want any young gay boy to think that, you know, being promiscuous is what the gays do. If he wants to, fine. But there are many gay men in loving and committed relationships, who don’t go clubbing, who aren’t into fashion, who prefer bushwalking together (Bob Brown, anyone ;-) ) or cooking or playing tennis or football or going to art galleries or camping…it would be nice to get a more representative view of gay men (and women!) in the media, rather than continually hearing and seeing the stereotype.

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    • Joey

      Agree!

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      • Joey

        I’m also not sure the stereotype of the cruising, cheating and promiscuious gay guy helps the whole gay marriage debate either.

        =/

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    • jess88

      *applause* well said!!

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  20. Nicki

    Thank you for another excellent piece, Brendan.

    “It had only been a year since I’d cheated on him. Since then we’d worked on things, started laughing again, having good nights and great sex.”

    To me, this says your partner values monogamy, too. I say, if everything else in your relationship is awesome, then this is a relationship worth saving! There is nothing wrong with monogamy, if this is what you both truly want.

    I hope everything works out for you both x

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  21. Tallulah

    How do we know if monogamy is ‘natural’ or not when it makes sense from a logical biological standpoint that it’s not, but on the other hand, most of us seem to want it?

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  22. Leadlebeatle

    Love the article. I dont think that one type of people cheat more than another, and is everyone aware of straight peoples “cute matchmaking sites”, they are called, swingers, and go dogging and real sex partners, they share lets meet at the local park and 7 of will have sex with one woman in the dark and then leave……..the opportunity is there no matter what your sexual preference, and i think everyone would be surprised if they knew the nice “normal” people in the community who use this as a way to fulfil sexual preferences and desires with the total support of their partners and the ones that use it to cheat.

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  23. sami

    Personally I think monogamy is easy, gay or not, so long as you’re with the right person! My theory has always been that if I am looking elsewhere I should not be in this relationship. I’ve always hated drama though, so the minute I know a relationship isn’t right, I’m outta there.

    I’m so happy every day now because I am desperately and tragically in love with my boyfriend and I don’t even cast a second glance at any other men. And I am so so lucky that he loves me so much too :) and I hope everyone can find love like this!

    In the meantime, there’s always the wise words of TISM- “If you can’t love the one you’re with, go fuck yourself” ;)
    So basically you either need to be in a mutually monogamous or a mutually open relationship. If one person wants monogamy and the other doesn’t, it probably won’t end well. It’s sad at the time but I’m sure it means your perfect person is out there somewhere! I wish you the best of luck Brendan, I hope you find your true love :)

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  24. Anonymous

    It’s a well-worn cliche that men (gay, straight, bi, whatever) are more predilected to cheating. I believe men and women are equally likely to do it – and as someone here suggested earlier, it’s a choice. I’m a woman who cheated on her husband with 2 other men years ago and now, call it karma if you will, I’m in a relationship with a man whose libido has gone AWOL (which is more common than the media would have us believe). “Maybe he’s just not that into me?” Maybe. But when we do do it, it’s still as good as it was in the first 2 years (best I’ve ever had, in fact!). I’ve thought of cheating again, but I don’t really have the inclination – and I wonder if it’s really worth it. I’m trying to persuade him to come to my counselling sessions with me, but he’s a stubborn fellow. And I’m hardly what you’d call assertive. So it’s at a bit of a stalemate. And I’m left with… a stale mate…

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  25. Anonymous

    Sometimes I wish my husband had a lover so he could stop bugging me for sex every time I turn around.

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    • JosiePie

      Be careful what you wish for, sweety.

      And be grateful that he wants you.

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  26. Anonymous

    I disagree “I’m Gay”. This article is most interesting to this woman as it relates closely to my best gay male friend’s life. Beautifully written too thank you Brendan.

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  27. I'm gay

    Look, firstly if you’re going to cheat on him youve got to accept it in reverse. Secondly, Mamamia,how is a story about gay cheating interesting to women? It’s not!

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    • Rick Morton

      Do you speak for all the others who were interested below? It’s one of our top performing posts today. The idea of monogamy and fidelity is universal.

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    • Lil

      I find this post and the issues iit raises very interesting. I struggle with monogamy every day. I love my husband dearly but I miss the excitement and passion that comes with new lovers. This is not a gender specific issue it relates equally to all people who commit themselves to a single other in a world of temptation. Thanks MM for a very relevant and thought provoking post.

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      • Liz

        I disagree that this applies “equally to all people”. Everyone is different, and every relationship is different. I will give you that it is common, but not equal to everyone and every relationship.

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    • I’m a straight, never married, childless, single 40 something female. I’d rather watch paint dry than read any form of celeb gossip. Mention fashion or makeup and my brain automatically closes down. I am not a fan of Mia Freedman’s writing style and I cannot stand how Mamamia trash goads their twitter feed trying to get us to read. Oh and yes, on more than one occasion I have challenged the regular commenter’s on this site for dog forbid having a different opinion (and as a result, those commenter’s have subsequently had a little bit of closed minded meltdown). To top it all off for some reason this site runs something in the back end of the set up that my lap top cannot handle and more often than not the pages do not load. In other words ‘I’m Gay’ I don’t even rate as a blip on the Mamamia demographic radar. So why am I a regular on this site looking at what is being written and clicking and reading certain articles – this article right here, this is why I read Mamamia. A brilliant, thought provoking piece.

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      • just taff

        wow, thats one hell of a back handed compliment.

        i think.

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    • Melsie

      I thought it was a great post, and a really nice change from recent articles. Really well written too. Thanks for posting it.

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  28. K

    Monogamy isn’t natural, it’s a choice, and like any other choice it involves giving up option B.
    I am married, 12 years now, with kids, life is pretty damn decent for us. But I sometimes think it’s a crying shame that I don’t also get to go fuck someone against a wall just because I think they are hot and there’s mutual attraction. If I did that, my marriage would be over, so it’s not going to happen. Maybe others who feel like this work out clauses in their relationships to free them up?
    I just suck it up and try to channel that part of my libido into out sex life. But it’s not the same.

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    • Mum

      Spice it up with your husband, why cant you take your husband up against a wall. Ive been married 16 years and we still get crazy.

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    • totally anon

      i hears ya sister! i would love to know if there is a safe non dodgy way to cheat. i mean men can go to prostitutes, what can us women with zero sex drive husbands do??? i don’t want to leave my relationship i just want a shag every now and again!

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    • Anonymous

      Are you male or female?

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      • K

        I’m a woman. And yes, mum, I agree that sex can still be great after many years of marriage – i think we have better sex now than we did ten years ago. But I miss being able to go out and pick up. I miss the spark you get the first time you connect with someone new sexually. I am not about to start going out to meet men, and I don’t want to mess with the trust in our relationship by suggesting a threesome or something. I think I just have to live with it, like never bring a professional musician. Just one of those things.

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  29. tassiegirl

    Ah ….. I completely believe it monogamy…

    but right now I’m all for “f**king all this shit and staying single” :D

    love, love, love it!!!

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  30. Jen

    Using the word “fag” probably wouldn’t pass the comment guidelines, why is it okay for the writer to use such an ugly word?

    Sure, there will be comments saying that gay people use the word to describe themselves or eachother all the time, I don’t see how that makes it okay.

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    • Brendan Maclean

      Told you someone would get up you about that Rick. Haha!

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    • Rick Morton

      The comment guidelines are as much about intent and tone as they are just words alone. I use the (other) ‘F’ word sometimes too. But only in similar company. Just like many rappers reclaimed the ‘N’ word in their music, I don’t see a problem with gay people reclaiming words usually intended to cause offence when wielded by bigots.

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      • Brendan Maclean

        Good save. Now explain what BUTT magazine is. :o P

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        • Rick Morton

          That’s totally above my pay grade :P

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          • Jen

            It’s like two kids fighting over a shit toy, why would you want to re claim it?
            Why not let the bigots have it, and have rules against using it, let the word will die, along with the bullshit bigotry that goes along with it.

            It makes no sense to me, that you would want a word that puts people of a certain orientation in a big basket together, like you can talk about them as a whole, taking away their individualism, isn’t that doing exactly what you accuse the bigots of?

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            • Rick Morton

              Interesting point. I must admit I’ve struggled with where I stand on it myself. But at the end of the day this is what I think:

              I like words. I like particularly evocative words. I believe the bigots will never relinquish the nasty words of their own accord. Never. So it becomes about control. This is really lame but in Game of Thrones the dwarf says you turn whatever others perceive as your greatest weakness into your armour.

              And as for using a word to sum up a group of people, taking away their individualism. It makes a nice theoretical argument, but when you take it to its logical extension we should never use the word ‘people’ as it lumps us all together in the nefarious ‘human beings’ basket and takes away our individuality. We have collective nouns for ease of reference, not to strip people of their identity. I know I am at once Rick Morton, a homosexual, a son, a brother, a writer and notoriously late without getting too hung up on someone stealing what isn’t theirs :)

              But it’s an interesting debate anyhow!

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      • Anon

        I’ve had this debate so many times with my brother, who uses the word to describe himself and his friends. My perspective comes from my partner. My partner is black, our kids mixed-race. He refuses to use the ‘N’ word for precisely the reason that, rather than ‘reclaiming’ the word, it continues to validate its use. Why should anyone stop using it (with a malicious intention or otherwise) when they can always point out that its use is acceptable by a section of society? My son struggled to explain to a friend who called him the ‘N’ word – meaning it as in ‘mate’ – why it was unacceptable when his friend pointed out that it is popularly used in certain sub-cultures. My eight year old was trying to explain the legacy of the word, the context in which its usage was popularised, and what its use did to the population it was directed against. He gets it – as much as an 8 year old can. But his friend?

        I’ve asked my brother to remember back to when he was a boy and in his early teens – how scared he was at being ‘different’, how the ‘F’ word was used to insult anyone different. How does his reclaiming of the word help boys who are in his situation today? How can anyone expect this term to become socially unacceptable when a section of society continues to validate it, through their use of it?

        Anyway, I completely accept the intent that both you and Brendan have when you use the word, but I just thought I’d throw in my 2c! :-)

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    • cat

      My (straight person) view is because the word ‘fag’ is used to vilify gay men it is therefore up to them, the group who is marginalised by such language, to determine how it is used. Ditto the n-word, dykes etc. I think there’s a difference between a minority group reclaiming a word and non-minorities using it.

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      • Jen

        I love Tyrion!
        I agree about your point about extending the logic, I meant more about how in the article it says “I am astutely aware that two people – let alone two fags – can hardly wish for the lifelong relationships of swans.”
        It just seemed sad for the writer to deem specific people less deserving of a specific thing, whether they believe it to be a positve or negative thing.

        Awesome job at replying Rick, your replys always show how deeply you think about issues that arise from all the different articles on Mamamia, you’re a champ :)

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      • Anon

        The problem with that is that the ‘group’ can not speak on behalf of everyone. Some may find it offensive, others not. But, while it continues to be used with malice by a small proportion of the population, it still has the potential to do a lot of harm and any argument we may have against its use (with malicious or derogatory intent) is substantially weakened if the argument can go “…but I have a black friend who calls his mates *insert ‘n’ word*’ or ‘…but my colleague who is gay calls himself a *insert ‘f’ word here*.

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        • cat

          Sure, opinions will differ within the gay community as to whether the f-word should, or can, be reclaimed, but they don’t need my straight person seal of approval if they want to. That was mainly my point — it’s not a straight person’s place to determine if the oppressed group wants to use a word that has been used to oppress them. There is being an ally and then there is inserting yourself in a debate you have no place in.

          Only a person blind to their privilege would trot out that ~but they are~ argument, so I disagree that it would weaken the argument against its use. There is a double standard, yes, but history also has a double standard. A straight person has never had any hate crimes committed against them because of their sexuality. They have never had to riot in the streets for their right to love another consenting adult, or to marry them. If a person knows all this, as well as the context of how the word is being used and still wants to use the word ‘fag’, then there’s not much hope for them — they’re just an arsehole.

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          • Anon

            Completely agree with your first paragraph and I understand where you’re coming from. But to I don’t agree with “‘Only a person blind to their privilege would trot out that ~but they are~ argument’.

            These words are used by children, by teenagers and by young adults, as, when they learn these terms, it is not in the context of its reclaimed or reappropriated use. Not all of them will continue to use these terms into adulthood and not all of them will use them with malice. But the impact of the use of the words can be pretty significant, in terms of exclusion, in terms of making people feel fundamentally different and contributing to a real struggle for acceptance, usually at a time when it seems pretty important for us.

            In terms of people being blind to their privilege, I’d suggest that many, many people are. And why not – if they haven’t faced discrimination, and don’t know people who have faced discrimination, how likely are they to understand its prevalence and its impact? I’d also suggest that privilege is relative – gay and lesbians in Australia do not have equality, we can probably agree on that. But gay and lesbians from my partner’s country face systemic maltreatment including police brutality, societal scorn and even state-sanctioned murder…making Australia seem like some kind of utopia in comparison.

            There are also practical issues of linguistic reappropriation (quite aside from whether or not it actually empowers, and whether or not it gives credence to ongoing use of a word when used with less than savoury intent) as well.

            For example, is it appropriate for me to call my sisters- and brothers-in-law my ‘n*****s’ or only my partner because he is black as well? Or can other black people who don’t even know them call them that but I can’t? Of course, this is all hypothetical because I wouldn’t use the word but I can extend it to my gay friends and family members. Or to women. Am I happy that words like ‘sl*t’ and ‘c*nt’ are being reappropriated by some quarters of the feminist movement? No. No matter the intention behind someone using those words, if someone were to describe me as a ‘sl*t’ or a ‘c*nt’, I’d pretty quickly lose respect for them. It demonstrates an ignorance of history (as to how those words have been used in the past and to what effect) and it also demonstrates an intellectual laziness that they couldn’t find a more appropriate word.

            Anyway, sorry for the novel and if it seems a little all over the place – just something I’m pretty passionate about!

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      • Leah18

        I call myself and any friends who I know use the phrase themselves a ‘dyke’. I don’t think I’d use the phrase about anyone else until I knew where they stood on it too.

        Also, I’m not of European descent, but I have many friends who will happily call themselves ‘wogs’, so I use that phrase when we’re joking as well, but would never use the phrase before the person I was talking with if I didn’t know how they viewed it, since it still does hold a bit of sting, especially in the older generation.

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  31. Eternal Caterpillar

    I’m not sure if monogamy is “natural” or not. I think of it as a choice you consistently choose to make.

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  32. Andrea

    Hey Brendan, I love this post and don’t think gay or straight it matters either way. I couldn’t do open, because I believe that the intimacy I have with my partner is what makes our relationship special. We both agree that making love is for us alone and not something we want to share with the outside world. When we look at our relationship, we know sex is the only thing we have that no one else can share. But that’s our “thing” as a couple and I trust in both of us to keep it sacred. Therefore, if it’s really want you want, don’t give up on the idea of finding a monogamus partner – I know plenty of gay men who’ve been in loving monogamus relationships longer than any straight couples I know, but I also know plenty of straight couples doing the open thing. The only important thing is always being commited to finding what you want – and I hope you do. All is possible in this weird, mixed up world we live in xxxxxx

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  33. elle

    Brilliant article. I really loved it. I feel so sad for you and I understand everything you write about.

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  34. peppy

    I really love the way you write Brendan.

    Also witnessed your excellent ukelele skills at a Jane Austen Argument gig earlier this year. Brilliant.

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  35. Snap!!

    Brendan Maclean you make me want to be a monogamous gay man. I think you’re incredible.

    Ps how good is Dan Savage?

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  36. vegas

    Hey Brendan, this is so beautifully written. I’ve had some big chats with my gay male friends and it really seems like monogamy is so much more negotiable in the scene. In most straight or lesbian relationships it seems like monogamy is assumed and we get to be outraged and take the moral high ground if our partner cheats, but I know several gay couples who love each other but have “santioned” cheating clauses – like, only once, or only if it’s a threesome and we’re both involved, or only in another city. I guess some of these might work if both partners were equally OK with it and managed to keep the third party stuff exclusively sexual and not any emotional invovements. But it seems like a lot of the time it’s one partner pushing the “open relationship” agenda and the other is made to feel bad if they don’t want to go down that route. Must make things tricky. I don’t have any wise words of advice but I hope you both get what you need. Sending love and splendidness xxx I really really really love your writing x

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    • Petal

      I can’t see how you can love your partner and feel it’s ok for him to sleep with another person. In another city? If your partner’s away? That isn’t love or a relationship, that’s having it both ways and that is NOT a relationship.

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      • Anonymous

        My relationship may be different to your’s but it is a relationship. Monoghamy isn’t a must for many people, and my partner sleeping with other people doesn’t affect our love. If such thing isn’t for you, fine, but you aren’t the authority on love and relationships.

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      • vegas

        I don’t think I could do it myself but I can imagine how it might work for some other people – it would require a separation of love and sex and I imagine to work well it would require great communication and respect of boundaries.

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  37. Sam

    Are we meant for monogamy? Yes we are – you just weren’t that into him… and then he just wasn’t that into you…

    End of story.

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    • Anonymous

      Nonsense! bit more complex than that i think!

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  38. Petal

    Hi Brendan, great piece, I devoured it.

    I must say I’m a little depressed that gay men can’t stay monogamous. What, you can’t go out of town without trusting your partner not to hook up with someone while you’re gone? Well, I’m sorry but that’s not good enough. You either love him or you don’t and if that’s the case, piss off and lead a single life. No-one can have it both ways, it doesn’t work like that whether gay, straight or otherwise. It leads to mistrust, deception and the all time killer ‘what if?’ I’m sure there are plenty of gay couples who have been together for a long time that haven’t cheated. It can be done. You shouldn’t have to stand for it.

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    • Anon for this one

      Wow, judgemental much? Just because it doesn’t work that way for you, doesn’t mean it doesn’t work that way for others. I (and many others I know) can have a fully committed, loving, intimate relationship with our significant other, but still enjoy recreational sex with a cohort of other people. Each is different, and the experience is different. To some of us, sex is just an activity like other activities – very enjoyable and experienced differently with different people. Just because you don’t see it that, because you overlay sex with love, doesn’t mean it is that way for other people. It’s not cheating if everybody’s consenting, it’s just an open relationship and it’s as valid as your closed relationship. Unfortunately I can’t offer the same validity to your closed mind.

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      • Petal

        I don’t think I’ve got a closed mind if I don’t want someone I love to root other people, and, to that extent, I don’t see how it can work in other relationships (it didn’t for Brendan did it?) In fact if that’s the way people want to live their lives, good on them but I don’t believe it’s a ‘relationship’, more a way to live their lives without being in a comitted relationship.

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  39. anonymous

    If you are such a champion for monogamy then why did you cheat first on your partner. Maybe that was the reason he felt it was ok to cheat on you. Sorry no sympathy here you brought it on yourself and you were the one that changed the relationship by cheating. Now you are going around feeling sorry for yourself and looking for attention. Karma is a bitch!

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    • nicquiltz

      Geez anonymous, you’re prolific today… I find it interesting that you’re so quick to criticize (seemingly) everything on the Mamamia site, but hide behind the cowardly moniker ‘anonymous’. Seriously, if you don’t like the content, don’t read it!

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    • Rick Morton

      Let he who is without sin etc etc

      I for one appreciate the honesty with which Brendan writes. There are a 1000 cowards out there who wouldn’t admit to their own hypocrisy and yet he does. He owns it and then analyses it. He’s human. He’s flawed. Just like the rest of us.

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    • elle

      Oh come on!

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    • SusieQ

      I will put my name to this one and agree with anonymous. Gay or straight – if you cheat on your partner then they cheat on you – you can hardly be surprised. As another writer pointed out above, cheating is usually a sign that the relationship is not right in the first place.
      To be honest I find the language in this article offensive. Like a comedian who resorts to bad language to be funny, I don’t think that bad language needs to be used to put a point across.
      I have read so many clever, funny and emotional articles on MamaMia which dont resort to bad language. MamaMia please keep those standards up!

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      • jake82

        Well said SusieQ (my wife)
        I would like to know if some of these responses to this rubbish article would be the same if it was written by a straight man who had cheated on his unsuspecting GF or wife and the relationship survived long enough probably on a downward spiral for her to then cheat back as a desperate way of trying to regain some self esteem and dignity.

        I find it hard to feel sorry for someone who has been cheated on when they have done the very same thing to another person. And lets be honest here mate, did you only cheat once?

        People make me feel a little sick with the way they can run down
        a monogomous relationship. I am sure that their feelings would be different if their parents were sleeping around and realised how damaging this would be for them.

        Just remember here that the main reason for a monogomous relationship is for trust in the person you love and stabillity for our children.

        If you can’t be a faithful person just be up front with the people you meet as to exactly what you want from them before you waste precious years of their life.

        This article was a cry from a boy who nees to grow up and act like a man – gay or otherwise.

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  40. Chrissy

    “my dirty little secret being that I just want to love and make love to one person at a time and that maybe, just maybe, they only want to love me.”

    I love this. Gorgeous way to put it. I have that dirty little secret too :) x x

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  41. Deni

    Love your writing Brendan.

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  42. MD

    You write so, so beautifully. I believe in monogamy, too. Big hug x

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  43. Cait

    Brendan, this is a beautiful piece.

    I am so sorry you are going through this, and glad your friends are being supportive.

    After being cheated on just over a year ago by my fiance, I have toyed with the idea of going down a similar path to the one your boyfriend took.

    The thing that holds me back is knowing how much that stupid decision hurts. I really could never willingly and deliberately inflict that pain on someone.

    Honestly, the main reason I know I wont go down that path, and that I hope we are healing is that we did so much couples counselling to recover. I dragged him and his decisions through the mud. I was on an emotional rollercoaster and I made sure he rode it too.

    Monogamy isnt a dead ideal, it isnt really dying. I genuinely never want to be with someone who thinks its normal to act on impulses they are not willing to control.

    No one should expect to recieve what they are not willing to give. I expect monogamy because I practice it.

    I hope you find the monogamy and love you seek :)

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    • jess88

      You’re a strong woman, Cait. I can’t imagine the pain you felt experiencing that and being strong enough to look past it towards the future you and your fiancé want together is wonderful. Much love to you.

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  44. Kaz

    This is all a bit beyond me in my conservative suburban happily married-with-children world. I’m hardly qualified to talk about the challenges of a doubly-high sex drive to monogamy given my sagging post-children libido. But, as one human to another, a massive hug to you.

    I remember your previous articles; you write with a flair and emotional intensity that always wake me up a bit. I hope you find what your body, heart and soul crave…It probably. does make life a lot simpler when those things are all found in the one person..but life was never gonna be simple hey xx

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    • Andrea

      I love your reply xxx

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    • Brendan Maclean

      You are beautiful.

      Thank you so much for this gorgeous, day-making, comment.

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    • JosiePie

      You are such a lovely person Kaz! :)

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  45. Lotta

    Well put Brendan. I believe in love and monogamy too. I hope you worked things out x

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  46. Rebel

    “snot exploded out of my face like a Play-Dough toy being sat on by a fat baby”

    I love you Brendan!

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  47. Kate

    Ha love the writing – ‘tripping over my skinny jeans like a drunken giraffe trying to escape a starved lion’ is gold. And perfectly describes a mate of mine whenever he is drunk and up to mischief ;)

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