Rihanna and Chris Brown are back together. Creatively, at least. Two songs featuring the singers hit the web on Monday. Brown is singing on the remix of Rihanna’s track ‘Birthday Cake’, and she’s on the remix of his bouncy song ‘Turn Up the Music’. Earlier in the week Chris Brown wished her a happy birthday on Twitter. She said thanks.
Trivial details that matter because Chris Brown once assaulted Rihanna by punching her in the face.
What makes anyone go back to the one that hurt them? It’s more than a little complex. And while it happens in home after home after home in Australia and around the world, it’s high profile cases that make people talk about it. And what about Whitney and the often discussed relationship with her abusive ex-husband Bobby Brown? Psychiatrist, Fairfax columnist and author Tanveer Ahmed writes:
While the causes of Whitney Houston’s death remain to be confirmed, there can be little argument that a tortured existence of a phenomenal talent ended in untimely tragedy, one enabled by modern pharmaceuticals.
The nature of her troubles are well documented, an inner pain which she self medicated with a host of substances, prescription and otherwise. But another aspect of her difficulties, her propensity to tolerate years of domestic violence from ex husband Bobby Brown, give some insights into her psychological angst.
The concept of battered wife syndrome remains controversial. While many women sneer or express disgust at women who continue to tolerate their partner’s domestic abuse, when a better understanding of the underlying thought patterns emerge sympathy is a given.
More importantly, it may give insight into how women can rid themselves and their children from awful relationships. At its most technical and serious application, the concept has acquired legal weight where it has helped defend women who have killed their partners in self defence.
In fact, a South Australian court was one of the first in the world to use the concept to acquit a woman charged with manslaughter in the renowned case of Runjanjic & Kontinnen (1991).
The term ‘battered woman syndrome’ was coined by psychologist and prominent feminist academic, Lenore Walker, to denote a set of distinct symptoms that result from prolonged exposure to situations of domestic violence. In 1978, she conducted interviews with 435 women in Colorado, USA, each of whom had been, or were at the time, victims of domestic violence.
Her ideas unite two psychological theories- the cycle theory of battering and the idea of learned helplessness.
The first stage in the cycle of violence is called the ‘tension building’ stage where the victim will be exposed to verbal or emotional abuse and minor incidents of physical violence, such as slapping. In response, the victim may attempt to pacify their abuser utilising techniques which have been effective in the past. The woman’s primary objective is to avoid future conflict. But her passivity can reinforce the abusers’ violent tendencies and the tension in the relationship continues to build until it culminates in the second stage – the acute battering incident.
It is during the second stage that a victim’s sense of fear and perceptions of danger are at their most heightened state as is the risk of death or serious injury. The release of tension in the second stage can lead to a third phase of ‘loving contrition’ in which the batterer would exhibit conciliatory behaviours and may attempt to convince the victim of their intentions to change. Cue, make up sex.
We all know that the likelihood of actual change occurring, in most cases, is low.
This is the cycle that can repeat itself.
The theory then goes that the woman is in a position of learned helplessness. This idea is based on a study conducted with lab rats whereby the animals was repeatedly shocked until they became unable to escape the painful situation. The reason the animals failed to even attempt an escape, even when escape was both possible and apparent to animals who had not been shocked, could be found in their distorted perceptions of their ability to change their situation. These distorted perceptions resulted from an inability to predict the effectiveness or positive results of one’s actions. A comparisons was then drawn between the behaviour of the animals in the study and certain forms of human depression.
The colloquial, albeit perjorative, term for a person trapped in such a situation is a doormat. They are trapped in the idea they have no power to control their situation, perpetual victims of external circumstance. Their repeated experience of trauma has some overlap with post-traumatic stress disorder.
The dependent type of personality prone to such a situation is also more vulnerable to suffering the most severe forms of depression and then facing the risk of suicide.
Women disproportionately bear the burden of their significant others throughout their entire lives, be it children, husbands or aging parents. When this burden acquires an even greater dimension through a sense of being unable to better their situation, the prospect of being victims to predators, abusers or outside circumstance can be too much to bear.
While there are many, male of female, who might feel they are hapless ships being tossed around on the ocean of life, the notion of battered wife syndrome shines a light on the unique dimensions of the female experience. While we may not know for sure, the likelihood of Whitney ultimately falling victim to such syndrome is highly likely.
Tanveer Ahmed is a psychiatrist, Fairfax columnist and author of memoir “The Exotic Rissole“. You can find his website here and his Twitter here.
Have you come across anyone who might fit these criteria? Someone who went back time and time again?









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8 years ago, I had a friend who continually helped me “escape” a physically, emotionally and mentally abusive relationship I was in with a methamphetamine addict.
It was her ruthlessness in getting me away from him that really worked. Every time he convinced me to go back, she would drag me away from him and keep telling me I was better than that.
It was because of her, that I was able to run away and never look back. I have her to thank.. She never gave up.
Thank you Sarah
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My story is similar – sad that they are all the same. But like another reader, the worst was later. I remember the family court judge saying to me how sick he was of wicked ex wives telling wicked lies.
I left to show that it was not okay. My son has never forgiven me. He adores his father and imitates all the behavoir. What can you do.
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I have literally gasped out loud reading what the judge said to you. That is beyond atrocious. Women are abused and then further abused by others judgements. When will we stop blaming the person who has been abused and put responsibility firmly where it belongs?! I’m sorry this happened to you.
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My partner from my first relationship was abusive on all levels. I believed his line about how if I were a better person, he’d treat me better because he wore me down with psychological abuse in the beginning and then the sexual abuse came a little bit after.
I desperately wanted to get away from him and he knew it. So he stopped calling to warn me of his impending arrival and he’d just randomly turn up. So that I couldn’t avoid him or predict his movements. I “broke up” with him multiple times over a four month period, but he just ignored my wishes. I was so afraid of him for reasons I couldn’t identify at the time, but I suppose the fact that he would ignore my clear withdrawals of consent was enough reason to be frightened.
He told me there was no point in me moving because he’d find me. So I knew he was right and there was no point in me leaving him. It wasn’t until he became physically violent whilst raping me that I bailed. He threatened to kill me if I left, and I took him very seriously. Without telling anyone what was going on, I borrowed money from relatives and lied about my reasons for returning home because I was terrified to tell anyone what he’d been doing to me.
For years I couldn’t understand why I felt so distressed about what my ex did to me (a rape crisis counsellor told me she couldn’t understand why I was so traumatised, my rape wasn’t that bad) but it was a psychologist who specialises in PTSD who told me that it didn’t matter if I did what he wanted, that just because I participated doesn’t mean I consented. So while I was thinking that I was only raped once, I was actually raped more times than I can remember.
I know that if I had not taken him seriously when he threatened to kill me, that I wouldn’t be alive now. Because either he would have killed me or I’d have saved him the trouble. Grim, but true.
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Great article…. Just one wee thing though and I don’t want to sound like I’m nit-picking (sorry, sorry, sorry…)
“Battered Wife Syndrome” Really? Such a goddamned dated term. Let alone title for an otherwise cool article”…
Sorry, man- but it’s wrong on so many levels;
Decreasing married rates.
Narrows the definitions of domestic violence.
Encourages people to view weakness -not strengths. “Survivor” -so much better.
Semantics are important.Words define lives.
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Great article Tanveer, and I think it clearly addresses the psychological aspects to remaining in a violent relationship, but there are plenty of practical aspects too – abusers usually ensure their victims are economically dependent with little to no social or family support structure to turn to.
The most important factor however is that most women in violent relationships who are murdered by their abuser are killed AFTER they have left him. In other words, your life is safer remaining in a violent relationship than leaving it. And as we have seen many times in the past few years, even long after the relationship has ended, violent men often murder their children to further “punish” their wives for leaving them.
Until the laws are tightened around stalking, custody restrictions for violent parents, enforcing violence orders etc, then women will continue to remain in these violent relationships rather than run the risk of leaving.
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Reading this post stirred up some heartbreaking memories. My friend has been with her Thai husband for 12 years and has three children with him. I’ve known them five out of the 12 years, and he has been verbally and physically abusive the entire time. I did all I could to help her, from researching Thailand divorce FAQs to see what rights she has as a foreign wife and mother, to helping her formulate an escape plan. Nothing worked; she kept letting him back in. Finally, I wrote her a letter and told her exactly how I felt. Reading my feelings and having time to process what I said helped her to finally kick him out of her house. It’s yet to be seen if she will stand strong this time. Rihanna is sending a message that it’s ok to accept abusive people back into her life, and that’s just not ok.
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I just read the police report of the attack and nearly lost my lunch. http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1606481/chris-brown-police-report-provides-details-altercation.jhtml
How anyone could read that and think that someone should just suck it up as it isn’t so bad is beyond me.
Then again, the thought of the victim choosing later to go back into a relationship with this person is also a mystery, however that sort of attack
HAS to leave a mark on your internal strength and self worth. The damage is more than just physical I imagine.
I have to agree with Sasha on one key thing though ….
The way the Grammys reacted to this, referring to themselves as the ‘victim’ is UNBELIEVABLE … gggggggrrrrrrrrrrr
“We’re glad to have him back,” said executive producer Ken Ehrlich. “I think people deserve a second chance, you know. If you’ll note, he has not been on the Grammys for the past few years and it may have taken us a while to kind of get over the fact that we were the victim of what happened.”
http://www.mamamia.com.au/entertainment/chris-brown-performing-at-the-grammys-is-not-okay/
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Most women have gone back to men who were not good enough for us.
Because we doubt ourselves, they feed this doubt and use it to control us and get what they want: us believing that we will never do any better than them and we are worthless, so we must fight tooth and nail to hold onto him.
Even if he cheats. Even if he emotionally destroys us. Even if he cuts up some of our clothes because “they’re slutty/ugly/stupid” (true story). Even if he hits us. Even if he has sex with us when we say “no”. Even if he leaves us, literally, out in the cold waiting.
It is a horribly vicious cycle and on some level you know what he is doing is wrong.
And the worst part is, your friends and family will often try to tell you, but you don’t want to listen.
Often, they start spending less time with you or reaching out to you so much because it is too painful for them to watch or because you ‘should know by now he is an arse.’
I am thankful every single day that I managed to get out of the cycle. I found a man who is the exact opposite of what I thought all men were like. He is amazing and treats me better than I ever knew I could be treated.
When I look back, I am horrified by what I put up with. Why would a smart, strong, supported woman accept this behaviour?
I just hope poor Rihanna manages to break free from the hold he has over her very quickly.
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Every situation/experience is different. You will find some symptoms of a abuser are “text book” but not all. I went through it and I fought back each time until the end. The first 4 yrs of our 6 yr relationship was ok apart from him being very different, but that was the lure in the first place. I think I wanted to help him evolve as a person. But in the end he was dangerous and separated the “abuser” to the fiancee. It has been 4 yrs since this finished and I will still think about it and shake my head. But not one case is the same to look out for. My advice, go with yr gut instinct each time. To many people get hurt from the abusers actions i.e. my kids, losing our home and him spreading lies about what really happened. I wish every woman the best and note the early signs.
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I had a good friend whose brand-new boyfriend offered the following gobsmacking information the first night she introduced me to him, “My father used to beat the shit ouf of my mother,” and then went on to tell me his stepfather continued the tradition until she married her 3rd husband.
Anna didn’t seem to bat an eyelid at this but me, with my psychologically and verbally violent stepfather made me alarmed from the outset.
My alarm bells rang further when David would openly disparage Anna in front of us and call her a fucking idiot. When they announced their engagement, i could not bring myself to congratulate her but remarked on her beautiful engagement ring. No-one else wanted to say anything even though all the boys thought David was a fuckwit so I wrote her a letter saying to please get pre-marital counselling etc etc and was not invited to the weddingt, not that I cared about that!
Last time I heard from a mutual friend (we are no longer friends), he was screaming at her for forgetting some item on the shopping list while her youngest child was shaking physically next to her from the fear.
I’m sorry, but the clues (verbal abuse etc) are there from the start. No guy starts out hitting his woman, he just needs time to build up to time. I have no idea if he hits her but I’m sure her life is a misery.
I regret I did not make a bigger fuss much earlier. You need very strong-minded friends to tell you to get rid of the bastard immediately.
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I have empathy for all women in this situation but just a question. When are we going to stop punishing Chris brown? At the end of the day what we see on tv etc, how do we know he’s not remorseful.
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I think the tweet that he sent out after the Grammys shows his level of remorse http://www.mamamia.com.au/entertainment/chris-brown-performing-at-the-grammys-is-not-okay/
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Did you read the Police report on the actual assault? It should really be called Attempted Murder!!
it was so incredibly severe and he told her he was going to kill her. Indeed the number of punches and other actions, she is very lucky to be alive. That is no exageration.
He has undertaken no councelling or therapy, nothing. So of course he can not be forgiven or his assault of her forgotten. We have to be horrified and appalled and sickened by this and any assault of a woman.
There should be no middle ground – it is unacceptable to hit, push, physically harm a woman in any way.
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I spent 28 years married to a man who emotionally & psychologically abused me. After leaving him I began to realize the extent of his abuse. Often you can’t see it while you’re in the relationship or you justify it. Like so many abusers he isolated me from those who might have helped, might have spotted what he was doing. I assisted him in achieving that by not talking about what he did, out of shame, fear that I was being foolish & being emotionally reactive to something that wasn’t really a problem. Now I can see how he manipulated me but it’s all in hindsight. I didn’t have that clarity until well after I ended the relationship. I left several times in the past but he always managed to convince me of his contrition, his ability & desire to change. The only reason I finally called time on my marriage was that he eventually failed to hide his abuse from my children. Part of my reason for staying, even though I was deeply unhappy, was that my happiness didn’t outweigh that of my children, once their wellbeing was threatened it was surprisingly easy to end the relationship forever.
Eventually I will move beyond the damage he wrought, believe myself to be worthy of better, of some value. Eventually.
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I think it’s the same reason people stay or get back with someone who cheated on them or hurt them emotionally. While physical abuse attracts a lot more attention for obvious reasons, there’s millions and millions of women who are forgiving their partners after emotional incidences. Not saying that’s wrong or right either but it’s interesting to me.
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You put up with it because you love them so much you hope one day their depression/anger/ aggression will go away. Rather pointless and hopeful really.
The tragedy is many of these abusers have so much more to offer, many excellent lovable qualities but they destroy all their relationships with violence.
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Reading this article was hard but in a way reading these types of articles makes me happy as well, happy knowing that I survived and came out the other side stronger and am now happily married to a man that treats me like gold.
I was in an abusive relationship for 5 years, we met online. I was living in one state he in another. I had just turned 18 and he was 25. He was my first real relationship, other than one or two small things in high school.
He was a lawyer (working in the area of family law of all places!) and I had just finished my first year of my psychology degree (the irony!)
After a year of communicating online and via email I decided to transfer my studies over to his state to go and be with him. Mind you the abuse had already started, I just didn’t realise it. He would ask me a 1000 questions over the phone like, what did you do today? who did you talk to? how do you know that person (if it was a guy), what time did your classes start today? and if I wanted to go out to a club with my sister and cousins he would give me the 3rd degree…why do you want to go clubbing? You are with me, you shouldn’t be going to places like that etc etc.
Silly me I put it down to oh he cares so much about me he doesn’t want me to go out and get hurt! My parents and my sisters weren’t so happy with my decision to move, I had a huge fight with my older sister the day before I left, I guess she saw in him what I didnt, but I was stubborn and didn’t listen.
So I left my family and friends behind at age 19 and moved to be with him…..at first it was great, I met his family (they all SEEMED nice) and he was the perfect attentive boyfriend. Some one mentioned below how cunning and manipulative these people are, well it was definitely true of my ex, he could use his words so well to persuade you into thinking that something was true even if it wasn’t. He was charming to everyone around him and people were always speaking so highly of him, as if he were some kind of noble person!
At first the abuse was underhanded, again with the questioning, then came the verbal abuse, calling me names here and there and then laughing it off like it was a joke. Then came the hacking into my email account and phone messages, seeing messages from male friends and throwing my phone across the room and sending my friends emails (seeming like they were from me) telling them not to contact me anymore (that took a long time to rebuild friendships with these people, some still haven’t forgiven me).
And then came the physical, one day we were sitting in the car driving to his parents house and he didn’t like the outfit I was wearing, and called me a slut, after having heard that word so often I didn’t think much of it but I dared to question why he thought that. He slapped me hard across the face causing my lip to bleed and said because I said so. I was shocked I didn’t know what to do, a minute later he was crying telling me how sorry he was and didn’t mean to hit me….he told his family I had been hitten in the face with a ball.
I stayed for 2 years…I attempted to kill myself 3 times in that year. The first time was when he turned up at my university and started abusing me in front of a whole group of people and pushed me into the toilets and started bashing my head against the wall and calling me names. NO ONE did anything! I was pulled back outside into his car and driven home and locked inside my own place and he took the key and returned later that night…..he continued to call me names etc. Once he left I grabbed a knife (it was maybe 2am at this time) and started running outside barefoot with a knife in my hand trying to find somewhere to go and die, I ended up crying myself to sleep on a park bench.
By this time my family knew I was in some kind of trouble but didn’t know what since my phone calls to them had become less frequent, they convinced me to come back home and so I plucked up just enough courage to tell him I was leaving…. surprisingly he said nothing and let me go, but it was part of his plan to seem understanding.
A month after I had returned home he started with the calls and emails, telling me how much he loved me and missed me. He would call my parents house and speak to my parents and tell them how much I meant to him etc etc. But in the middle of all that he would still be doing the same thing as before, questioning me etc, at first I didn’t buy into it , but over time he found a way to get to me again, and at the end of the year I went back to him again. The first 6 months were good, and then it all came back, but by this point I was just too deep in and couldn’t push back. I just put it down to he is stressed from work, or I shouldn’t have provoked him like that….
He even proposed and I accepted in that year…it makes me sick to think I could have ended up married to him. But lucky for me I got out of it, it was an altercation with myself and his sister which caused our relationship to end actually and finally in that moment I saw him for who he was. 3 months after our breakup he was married to another girl and they know have a daughter (I feel sorry for both of them)…..I spent 3 years after it ended wandering around like a lost puppy…I was able to finish my degree and move onto another degree buy my personal life was a mess, I started sleeping around with any guy I met and was just living a messed up life until I met my now husband.
Rihanna choosing to work with Chris Brown again makes me so angry! So many artists to work with and she works with him?
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I’m so sorry you went through that, you brave soul. I hope life brings you healing and the happiness you deserve from now on.
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Thanks Anna, I have found my happiness now
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What a terrible story – but way too familiar! It’s disgusting and outrageous that no one helped you when he was going beserk and bashing you at your university.
The same thing happened to me – we were having a picnic on Easter Sunday at a large public park on the harbour. He became enraged about something minor and jumped on top of me, bashing my head repeatedly into the ground.
I could hear people screaming but no one came over to help me. I have no idea how I knew to do it – but I used my thumbs to gouge his eyes!!! He was a very big solid man and I’m am petite 5″1, but that sure did get him off me.
I was so embarassed, I felt like scum. But looking back the people who should have felt like scum was him and the many people who saw it happen and did nothing. very sad.
A few months later he tried to kill me which I’ve already written about on this page.
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I cannot BELIEVE that NO-ONE helped you. I am absolutely horrified. Bloody standing there!!!! I would be FURIOUS. Makes me bloody angry. All probably standing there with their mouths agape. It’s not free entertainment folks!!!! grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. So sorry darling.
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I swear your just described my experience with my abusive ex to an absolute tee. Many hours of counselling convinced me that he was actually a textbook abuser and psychopath. These people are so manipulative and smart, they have you believing things you never would have imagined. I’m glad you managed to escape.
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My mum stayed with my father who emotionally abused her as well as physically. My father hit me once and l left home. My sister also left home as he was very controlling and abusive. My sister is now in an abusive relationship. I love my mum and l understand why she stayed with him, mostly because she was concerned for our safety. We went to get out once, and contacted the right people , but of course there are wait lists to get accomodation in shelters etc.
As a child growing up in this environment, it was very difficult to watch, and he was very unpredictable. Basically we lived in fear.
If l had a choice, I would be happy to live with minimal items, and to have lived away from that environment. I wish any woman or man who thinks they are trying to protect their kids by staying, is to consider what the child goes through. Whilst I’m much older now and have children of my own, the scars still run very deep.
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I’m sorry you had to grow up witnessing that. My mum is the product of a home where physical, sexual and emotional abuse was rife, and it’s hard to watch her struggle with the psychological burdens that such a narcissistic, cruel, criminal father saddled her with. I hope time helps you heal some of the scars you mention- the lifelong legacy domestic violence leaves is not really spoken about enough.
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Apologies for the length and… waffliness of this, it’s taken me over two hours to write, rewrite and rewrite this again over and over. It’s difficult for me and I wanted to at least attempt to make sense rather than spill a whole heap of memories and thoughts into an incoherent ranty post. Anyway…
I’ve been in a relationship for five years with my (same-sex) partner. Things are pretty much ok now, but they weren’t in the past. My partner and I met when we were young (younger), we were both late teens. We’d both moved away from home and were looking for love and to start our new lives (neither of us had had a serious relationship before). It didn’t take us long after meeting to fall for each other. We rushed into things and moved in together after probably not even 6 months. Soon after things started falling apart and the relationship turned abusive.
Often you hear from abuse victims that they stay because they love their partner and they think/hope things will change. That was my experience. I was madly in love. I knew in my mind that things were bad, but after a bad night, I’d wake up the next morning, ignore the pain and the thoughts in my head and just try to forget about it. I felt ashamed and scared that if I reached out to my family, or my friends they’d reject my partner. And since I still wanted things to work out and he’d deal with his issues, I worried if I told someone that would never happen. It would make everything real and I’d have to deal with the fact that things couldn’t go on.
So I said nothing and pretended everything was ok, further isolating myself.
I was scared of judgment, of me and of him. I wanted help but I wanted to keep him.
It led me into depression, and after a bit I saw a doctor and started medication to deal with the extremes. My uni work started slipping as I didn’t have the energy during the day and had no energy or will to do any work at home. I felt drained all the time. I started going to counselling, to get help and some leeway to get my work done.
I didn’t really know what to expect support-wise, but I figured that there’d be some understanding and advice. The first session was very general and we touched on the relationship stuff but focused more on the depression. My next session she came back and apologised that she hadn’t quite made the realisation that my relationship was abusive, and that it took her discussing my situation with a colleague and them pointing out that even though we were both males it was clearly domestic abuse. I felt like I couldn’t talk to anyone and when I finally broke through my fears and did it was treated (at least initially) as a non-issue.
This wasn’t the only example. At the worst point in the relationship I was in a very bad state due to the medication I was on (or more precisely trying not to be on). Things started happening again I became very distressed and clouded in my thinking. Distressed and not able to cope I locked myself in the bathroom with a knife. My partner called the police and they showed up to help diffuse the situation. I was taken away to the hospital to be checked over. I broke down when I was there and explained what had been happening. They didn’t seem to react, but continued asking all the other standard health questions. No one asked if I was ok to go back, no one asked if I needed help or asked if I wanted to formally complain. It felt like no one thought it was an issue. I felt like it just didn’t matter, like there was nothing I could do.
Things did eventually calm down and everything has been fine for a few years now. Though I’m sure that is not typical. I’m sure there are many victims who believe their partner will change and they never do. For me, for us things did, thankfully.
But I just still feel ashamed and scared to talk about it. The only person I feel I can talk to is my partner, and that’s not really appropriate. I can’t talk to anybody to get it off my chest, or to warn in case things ever turn ugly again.
It’s hard to put yourself in a victims shoes unless you’ve been in them, and even then everyone’s different so you never know.
I found it hard to leave that relationship because of a mixture of my feelings towards my partner and hopes for a future, the fear or losing that and of judgment (both of me and my him). The irrational thoughts outweighed the rational ones. I knew what I needed to do, but I couldn’t bring myself to do it. Reasons I hear from other victims’ stories also.
So what can we do?
If you’ve got a friend you suspect is in an abusive relationship, be there for them. Assure them gently that you’re there for them through whatever happens and that you’re happy to be there to support them without judging.
This only happened a few years ago and I live in a capital city that is quite progressive and has good services for same-sex couples and same-sex attracted people. Even still there wasn’t adequate support or understanding when I finally tried to get it. I think the people I dealt with had a narrow definition of domestic violence in their heads and so when they dealt with a victim that didn’t fit that definition e.g. male, and male in a relationship with another male (‘oh that’s not abuse that’s just men being men, physical and tough’) they didn’t realise.
It’s great to see the increasing awareness of domestic violence. Statistically women are more likely to be the victims, and men the perpetrators. So it’s not surprising to see things like ‘To Violence Against Women, Australia Says No’ or White Ribbon Day. But at the same time, that focus on female victims isolates male (gay and straight) victims. I didn’t even mention women in same-sex abusive relationships, they face the same and other challenges (‘how can a woman beat on another woman?’ or ‘oh, cat fight?’).
To violence against women Australia should say no, absolutely. But I think Australia needs to be more aware of the issue, and to be aware that it’s not just women that can be victims, nor is it just men that are the perpetrators. Until then, society, its services and even us continue to let down all victims.
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Thank you for taking the time to share your story. I loved reading your words! It is such a shame you weren’t shown the same respect as a female victim. I am so glad life has improved for you.
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Thank you for sharing your story D. I’m saddened that services failed you. Sharing your story educates us all. I wish you well.
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This article brings me to tears. The first time I left I stayed away, never returned as I believe I would have been killed. I secured a domestic violence order with no help from police. Even so, in family court I was asked by the judge why I stayed so long (I was pregnant and left when my baby was tiny). I was unable to really explain it and so in spite of everything, plenty of evidence, I wasn’t really believed. It is not as though perpetrators always wait for an audience of witnesses. I now have to interact a couple of times a week with a man who raped me, assaulted me, stole from me and threatened me.
I honestly think dealing with the aftermath, the family court in particular, was worse than the experience of dealing with my ex. The legal system is used as another tool by many abusers.
That’s a long way to get to the point but… people either don’t stay away or take longer to leave because of a combination of reasons – fear of dealing with the storm that follows is a big one, a feeling that nobody will believe our story, the judgement, the feeling that we will not be allowed to escape. In my case, my child may have been safer if I were there the entire time rather than subject her to contact visits.
But it is just about impossible when in the witness box scared out of your wits being questioned by the person who has abused you to explain the reasons. Especially when the judge joins in. It is so much more complicated than people on the outside think but until the family court situation changes considerably, I think that is a major factor in many regular women returning or staying put.
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I completely agree. Its so hard going through the court system as it is, but add children to the mix and its enough to keep you in and out of court/ preparing for court for the good part of a year (as was my situation). It should be so much easier. I admit my major hesitation in leaving him was the aftermath of court, mediation, supervised visits… I actually found it a lot more stressful than the abuse itself.
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I hope things are working out for you now Mish, the court experience is so hard isn’t it? Bizarrely it took around 3 years for the court process for me, including days at a time in the witness box for me. I am still finding it a struggle to deal with the contact visits and their effect on my child. Dealing with police and court took its toll, some of the attitudes I encountered seem extraordinary to me. I took a lot of courage from the support of a couple of wonderful women I was fortunate to meet during this phase.
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I was a battered wife from the time I was 22 to 25 and took all that time to leave even though I wanted to and knew I didn’t love my husband. We had a child, aged from just a toddler to 4 at the time. If I had my head on straight I would have got her right out of there. At the time, I was confused and thought she needed to be with her Dad. Plus he didn’t hit her in front of me, which made the situation more ambiguous. I defintely had battered wide syndrome. I was a law student and had read the manslaughter cases that dealt with it. I know what the syndrome was and that I had it but that didn’t help.
Let me quote from the above article what hit home with me the most. I t was actually the learned helplessness of the lab rats.
“the animals was repeatedly shocked until they became unable to escape the painful situation. The reason the animals failed to even attempt an escape, even when escape was both possible and apparent to animals who had not been shocked, could be found in their distorted perceptions of their ability to change their situation. These distorted perceptions resulted from an inability to predict the effectiveness or positive results of one’s actions. A comparisons was then drawn between the behaviour of the animals in the study and certain forms of human depression.”
That was how it was for me – long exposure to nothing I did making any difference and the depression that came with it all (depression can be very paralysing) and I just stopped thinking that anything I did could make a change for the better in my life, so I just stayed and lived with what was happening. There were other forms of demoralising behaviour eg general putting me down in front of our child, so that she stopped listening to me and doing what I said.. Bringing other women home for “dirty weekends.” In a way I didn’t care that that was happening because I didn’t love him but it made me feel very uncomfortable in my own home, so that I didn’t really have a sense of having any rights in my home. Plus it was really humiliating. And actually, sometimes it was actually nice to have some else there to talk to, as long as the woman was nice, which some were, some definitely weren’t.
Sometimes I tried to get together money to leave but my husband controlled all the finances and when he saw me preparing to leave, he cut off all money so I’d never be able to pay a bond etc.
I’m 39, now and it’s been 14 years since I left him. We’re friends, kind of. I think I forgive him. I do, however, have ongoing trauma-related mental illness from those years.
The only time I saw what happened to me happen badly to someone else, the guy wasn’t hitting her. It was very cunny, well-aimed verbal/emotional abuse in that case but the battered wife syndrowm psychology works the same way – the learned helplessness, the undermined self-esteem. She got away from him eventually after many, many months and after seeing a psychiatrist. I was again amaazed, this time looking in from the outside, on how insidious the process is but which my friend was trapped into a situation that left her sobbing every night and questioning her self-worth due to her boyfriend’s clever manipulations. She could see no way forward for herself. He didn’t hit her but it was definitely battered wife syndrome.
Just a final note. Women beat men too there is a trend in law to talk about “battered spouse syndrome” instead now. Same sex partners beat each other too, so there are also calls to call it “battered partner syndrome”. And then, since you see the same process working in verbally/emotionally abused partners who are not hit, perhaps “abused partner syndrome” is better. And THEN, remember it’s not just partners but family members with whom there is a domestic relationship where this happens too. My nomenclature fails me a bit at this point….Just remember – it’s not just wives and it’s not just hitting.
Perhaps the happy ending is that I did in fact leave eventually and so did my emotionally abused friend. And having just one friend who supported me, and never got fed up or bored by the the fact that it took me so long to leave, made a huge lot of difference. If you know someone going through it, maybe you can be that friend.
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My heart goes out to you, and so many other brave women commenting here who have survived emotional and physical abuse at the hands of loved ones. “Maybe you can be that friend” – I think that is a hugely important message and beautifully worded.
I hope you don’t mind but I have a question, and it genuinely comes from a non-judgemental place, just curiousity… how can you sort of be friends with this man? Has he changed toward you, toward any other partners? I am not sure I could ever have that capacity to forgive, you are a bigger person than me x
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That’s a really hard question. One part is that he’s still my daughter’s Dad so any big events in her life – concerts, awards days, birthdays and recently the formal, we’d both be invited to and often go together as a unit.
That’s been fine enough, except for events where there’s free alcohol, when he gets loud and obnoxious. Our daughter doesn’t get so much embarrassed as annoyed – she tries hard to make him a part of her life and he repays her with bad behaviour.
From her, I know that he hasn’t been violent to subsequent partners in any really obvious way, but who knows?
I guess the thing is that we’re both lonely. Also, he can talk about his depression with me and get some understanding that he doesn’t get from other people. And our break-up is such a long time ago (14 years). Finally, although he’s never apologised, he’s admitted he was an alcoholic when we were together and that he still is and it’s been good to finally hear that.
Gosh – none of this sounds very compelling, does it?
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I hate people.
That is all.
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I think my friends’ partner is emotionally abusive towards her. I’m not the only person who perceives this. What should I do? Any advice would be much appreciated.
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Stay in her life!
Let her know you’re there for her if she needs it.
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Hi Sasha
Having been in your position recently I contacted the NSW Domestic Violence Helpline (1800 656 463) and asked them how I could help my friend. They were wonderful and made me understand more of what my friend was probably going through psychologically. If you are not in NSW I am sure they can give you a number for your state. I also read a lot about DV on various websites. Have a look here: http://www.dvrcv.org.au/help-advice/guide-for-families-friends-and-neighbours/ Even if you aren’t in VIC there is still some great info on that site that might help you to help your friend. Let her know your concerns and that you are worried about her and most importantly, let her know she is loved and has your support. Remember that Domestic Violence isn’t just about physical abuse. Emotional abuse can be just as hideous.
Good luck. I hope your friend is OK.
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i think its also time that people recognize battered male’s as well.
now i’m in no way passing off on battered women unfortunately ive been there. a few times. dont ask. but i’ve also become aware of the shocking silence when it comes to men being beaten by their respective male or female partners. one of my closest friends when trying to seek help was told (by a number of police and support services out of desperation he even called battered women shelters for advise) that he had to either deal with it, ‘suck it up’ ‘just leave’ ‘you lying’ ‘it doesn’t happen’ ‘you can handle it your a man’ and even told by a police officer to hit her back. he was even told some of these things by a service set up for men in crises.
i think there needs to be support all around. for men and women and also the children from these relationships i can speak from experience that no one talked to me about how this could affect my own relationships.
in viewing it i was almost effectively ‘trained’ to accept this behavior myself when i grew up.
something needs to change but not just for women. our men need help as well.
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Totally agree. There are alot of double standards out there.
I remember watching a Dr Phil ep sometime ago on ‘angry women’. It interviewed these men whose wives physically assaulted their partners. It made me sick. Here was Dr Phil laughing and joking and this guy look TERRIFIED. No-one would be laughing if the shoe was on the other foot. There seems to be this school of thought that male’s cannot change but somehow women can be. I know there are hormones and all that but you do have a choice here. I also read this interview where Jane Fonda hits that Ted guy she was married to when she found out he cheated on her or watching a ep of SATC where SJP hits her partner out of frustration.
Can you IMAGINE if the situation was the other way around???? Such hypocrisy. Women can be just as manipulative and nasty as men. Somehow when women behave like this there is always a valid reason…but if men do the same all hell breaks loose.
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It’s psychological, the reason we go back is that psychological hold, we fear that authorities won’t believe us because we lack evidence, and even with evidence it is often circumstancial, it is so hard to obtain an AVO and to expect it to be enforced, well you must be dreaming.
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I’m sending hugs your way Been There. Even if its all in the past now, the memories obviously sting xx
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Up until a yr or so ago I used to work in family law and unfortunately the majority of my female clients were victims of DV, often in the relationship for years and with kids. Time after time the story was they had no where else to go, especially with the kids. They didn’t really want to drag the kids to a women’s shelter, and more often than not the abuse was hid from the family so they felt embarrassed. 100% of the time the physically abusive behavior was coupled with emotional abuse, so a lot of these women had no real friends to turn to. Their partners also controlled finances- so again the issue of where to turn. this plays a huge role also in times Of seperation and parenting cases in the courts- guys paint partners as depressed, bipolar, crazy etc and bc they are so isolated it is his word against hers. Often they are depressed etc- how could u not be?
Unfortunately time after time, they also were stuck with feelings of love- these ppl are all they have, they remember the good times and hope the bad times end.
So in end to long post (sorry), I think articles like this are good to bring attention to the situation and remember to not blame the women- even if they are technically putting their Kids and themselves in danger. Support services are there- but there really needs to be so much more funding in this area.
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Another issue is the cunningness of domestic violence perpetrators. To the outside world they are usually lovely people. They really fool the rest of the world.
People are conned easily and often do not believe the womens claim of assault. We’ve seen many instances of this when celebrities and high profile people have assaulted women and even members of the Government have testified in court as to the decency of the perpetrator.
This so frustrates me, why don’t they realise that of course the perpetrator is nice to the outside world?! It’s an act! They only assault their wives/partners, not their friends and colleagues.
This is one of the many major issues of domestic violence and why domestic violence perpetrators get off so often.
Even the Police allow themselves to be manipulated frequently by perpetrators. They arrive at an incident the female is hysterical as she’s been bashed and is terrified and furious. The man is calm and collected – well he’s not the one getting the shit kicked out of him so of course he’s calm.
But the Police frequently take the man’s side because he’s so much easier to deal with then the “hysterical” female.
There are many case studies where Police have been told by the perpetrator that the woman is “crazy”, “on medication” “out of control” and the Police have believed them and taken the woman away and arrested her!!! Even when the woman has evidence of assault and she is the one who called the Police.
It happens all the time. It’s incredible. And frequently women are arrested by Police for defending themselves. Some women have thrown shoes and a toy when being assaulted and then been arrested!
I bit my exe’s hand as he was punching me and repeatedly bashing my head against a brick wall screaming he was going to kill me. For that I was arrested whilst he never was despite my significant head injuries.
I honestly admitted to the Police that I bit his hand – why wouldn’t I?! I was only sorry that I didn’t bite harder as it didn’t even leave a mark.
My ex lied ridiculously and his lies were easily proven to be lies but the Police didn’t even bother. They should be ashamed of themselves to be conned so badly.
Another reason why women may go back is the shocking lack of support for domestic violence. There is hardly any help whatsoever in Australia – just a phone line you can call – well that’s not much help at all!
Because domestic violence is high profile we think that there are substantial services, councelling etc yet there’s absolutely nothing!
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I have lost respect for the cops because of the handling of not just the case between my ex and I, but also for the way they handled the case between the same ex and his most recent ex!
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Was this in NSW or somewhere else? Did they not arrest him?
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About a month ago there was a huge screaming match at the back of our house. A guy was running around with a knife screaming, “I’m gonna kill that bitch!!” while he tried to scale the fence to get back into the home. Several neighbours called the police and he ran off.
I saw him back living at the house a week or so later, and I saw him carrying their little 2 year old son at the local Coles. I assumed (sadly) that she had taken him back.
On Saturday morning the screaming was back. Six police cars showed up and an ambulance. Forensics were at the house for 4 hours.
She took him back. I get chills from it. I hope the little boy is ok….
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Oh my goodness! I hope this does not end in a murder suicide. Very worrying
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My sister had an AVO taken out against her after a fight with her ex – in the chaos she had accidentally scratched his nose – tiny scratch – but the police took out the AVO, not her ex!!!
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Was this in NSW? Happens all the time. It’s outrageous.
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Canberra actually – in a very new, expensive suburb…
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My friend recently left an abusive marriage after 23 years. For a lot of it I just could not wrap my head around why she would stay with someone who treated her so badly and how on earth she could still love him. This was until a particularly violent episode that lead me to seek help for her. I read a lot of information on domestic violence and Battered Wife Syndrome and realised that my friend was absolutely suffering with this. I also spoke to a police officer friend of mine who helped me to get a better understanding of the mental state of women in violent relationships. While people not in the relationship see it as simply as ‘pack your bags and go,’ the mental trauma these women go through makes such decisions anything but simple. A lady from the Domestic Violence Helpline told me that most women who leave a violent relationship, do so many, many times before it is permanent. I am guilty of at one time thinking my friend was weak/selfish for putting her love for her husband before the safety of herself and her children. What I understand now though, is that there is much more to it. It is almost like they are brainwashed. The biggest thing I learned was that what women in these situations need is compassion, understanding and help. Not judgement.
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You’re a fantastic friend, I love that you put so much effort into understanding her situation instead of just judging her. She’s lucky to have you x
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Thank you. I believe I am lucky to have her in my life, so in a small, selfish way, I could not leave her there for him to one day kill her. I would be lost without her.
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^This.
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My sister is going through this. I know of 2 occasions when her husband had hit her, and countless examples of mental and psychological abuse. He blames it on a bad childhood but refuses to have any counseling. She has left him once for a month but always makes excuses for him and blames herself a lot too. I’m so worried that he will one day lose control and really hurt her. In the meantime she’s married to someone who obviously (to the rest of us) doesn’t respect or appreciate her. Makes me very sad for her
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A dear friend of mine was stabbed to death leaving 2 young children, when she finally tried to escape and abusive partner. Nothing the law could do could stop him, they tried everything. Get out early before its to late.
You might think u love them and can’t live without them but a better and safer love could be just around the corner for you. Don’t risk it.
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This is a little diverted from the issue but…. Whenever the issue of a woman being assaulted or abused by a man comes up, the first question people ask is “why did she stay?” or “why did she go back”.
This is wrong wrong wrong!
The question should be “how could he possibly assault a woman?!”. We have to take the focus off the victim and put much more strongly onto the man.
The man (or person doing the assault) is the one to blame, not the victim.
We have to become, as a society, far more horrified, ashamed, stunned by men hitting women (the majority of assaults are men against women – so please let’s not get into that argument).
How could he possibly do that?! Has to be the question and the issue.
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I guess we all ask that question because the abuser is very unlikely to say “I hit her, I better leave the relationship’.
So it’s more of a natural response to say, “He hit her, she should leave the relationship’.
It’s not right, I agree with what you are saying, but that’s the thought that came into my mind. It seems the onus is always on the victim to do the change.
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The question should not be “why did she stay”. It should be and must be “how could he hit a woman?!”
Always.
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Yes! I agree, it’s the same concept as “slut-shaming” the idea that the way women talk or dress or act may put them at risk of being sexually assaulted. Why are we focusing on how the victim should behave when we should be focusing on the attacker?
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In my assault because my ex, although he tried to kill me and came close to being successful was never charged, I complained right up to the top.
I received a response from the then Police Commissioner Ken Moroney that I deserved it because I had left my ex abusive phone messages!
So just like how they used to blame women for being raped because they wore the wrong clothes etc – the very highest level of Police in NSW blamed me!
This is only a few years ago and I don’t believe that much has changed at all.
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I have a friend who is a policeman and he says that they hate domestic violence cases more than almost anything else except child abuse because:
- people who beat up their wives or girlfriends often tend to be the same types who keep guns in the house
- if they catch the bloke in the act of hitting his wife and drag him off the wife will often attack them
- they won’t cooperate with the police so it’s very difficult to lay charges.
I suppose we can and should understand why women stay with this sort of pondscum but it does make it difficult to address the problem. One recent innovation is that police now ignore a woman’s views on whether charges should be pressed which removes the issue of her being coerced or being psychologically unable to proceed.
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Legally it is not up to the victim at all. If there are signs of assault the Police are obligated to arrest the perpetrator.
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Yes and no. The police don’t have to have the consent of the victim to take action (‘press charges’ is an americanism) but in practice they don’t act unless the victim complains in most cases – for instance the WA premier was recently called a ‘White Dog’ by aboriginal protestors which is clearly racial vilification but for whatever reason he declined to complain to the police and although it’s a matter of public record that it happened the police have taken no further action. The police are not actually obliged to take action if they think an offence has occurred – they have a discretion and in minor cases this is often exercised. This can be overridden by doctrine which is has been in cases of domestic violence so instructions to police are now to prosecute vigorously.
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I’m not certain about laws in other states but in NSW the Police are obligated to arrest regardless of whether the victim agrees or backs out.
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They can arrest them, but if the victim won’t co-operate it generally won’t go further than that.
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I found this an interesting read regarding what Chris brown did to rhianna (aka Robyn F). Yes she is a fool to go back, but they are her choices, if he bashes her again he’ll get charged again and we can Only hope he goes tO jail & is kept away.
http://m.mtv.com/news/article.rbml?id=1606481&weburl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mtv.com%2Fnews%2Farticles%2F1606481%2Fchris-brown-police-report-provides-details-altercation.jhtml&alt=http%3A%2F%2Fm.mtv.com%2Fnews%2Findex.rbml&cid=300
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Thanks for the link. That was a painful read, I wasn’t aware of the extent of the assault. Brutal. He should be in prison.
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Dear God that’s truly appalng. He should be in jail not being regarded as some sort of conquering hero!
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The charming first line from Chris Brown’s contribution to Rihanna’s remix: “Brown’s first line on Birthday Cake (listen below) is “Girl I wanna f*** you right now/ Been a long time/ I’ve been missing your body.””
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My reason for going back was because I loved him. He had a control over me which I couldn’t break out of. I hid it from friends and family and thought that after each time it would be the last. It is a vicious cycle. One of which I went through for 5 years. Aged 19-23. It wasn’t until I hit rock bottom and finally saw the light that I got the courage to leave. I just got in the car and left the home we shared together. 2 years later I still suffer mild panic attacks if someone raises their voice or drops a plate…I think that until you have walked a mile in the shoes of a woman who is in or has been through this, it is hard to pass judgement.
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“While many women sneer or express disgust at women who continue to tolerate their partner’s domestic abuse,…”
Really? I don’t know any women who would sneer at someone in that situation.
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I don’t know why either, but I sure have seen it / heard it a lot.
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Agreed. Until you’ve been in that situation, you can’t pass judgement. I don’t sneer at them or express disgust, I just worry about them and hope against hope that it really is different “this time”.
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Because some people have never been there and they think “Why can’t she pack her bags and go?” They don’t understand the psychological aspects they just see the physical
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And they lack compassion empathy and insight.
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I had very sympathetic friends…But they got sick of me not leaving, sick of hearing me say I’d leave and then not doing it, sick, as one friend said, of having the same conversation over and over again. I’ve seen that happen to other women, where fed-up/ tough-love friends end up saying “Either you leave him or we’re not talking about this any more.” No – I’ve never seen sneering either but a lot of impatience where the woman ends up fairly isolated with too few friends willing to talk things out with her.