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all my friends are getting married 380x347 All my friends are getting marriedThere are two things that we should have learned from Kim Kardashian’s recent 72 day publicity-stunt-cum-wedding-extravaganza.

1. Heterosexuals are doing such a fantastic job at making a mockery of the sacrament of marriage that there is no reason to deny homosexuals a chance at cherishing it; and

2. There is absolutely no need to rush into such a big commitment.

But marriage, it seems, is entering my world. In fact today I came to the painful realisation that my friends are going to start getting married.

It all started with a Facebook notification (thank you web2.0) that a comrade had updated her status from ‘in a relationship’ to ‘engaged’. Seeing as I am only 23, still at uni, and unable to fathom the idea that people actually get married before 30, shock and horror ensued. Sure, she’s been dating her now fiancé for over four years, but marriage? Surely that’s a drastic response to the five year itch.

According to the latest data from the Australian Bureau of Statistics, the average age at which men and women marry is 31.5 and 29.2 respectively. That means on average, my friends should be waiting at least six more years before jumping the gun. A not-so-teeny-tiny part of me hopes that this engagement is to my friendship group what jeggings are to fashion: worn only by those too naïve to realise how ridiculous they are. I am quite convinced that if the rest of my loved-up couple-friends start dropping  to one knee, I’ll have to break up with my boyfriend in protest against having to make up reasons for why I am not ready to settle down and start making babies or how I plan to beat the ticking time-bomb that is my ovaries.

While I promise I am over the moon for her – the whole affair has me completely freaked out. For starters, my friend has never lived out of home, let alone with her partner. For both of their sakes, I hope they have a very long engagement before committing to a lifelong one of perpetual nagging on her part, and selective hearing impediments on his. Secondly, if they are somehow allowed to marry, they will be perpetuating a clan of jersey wearing St Kilda supporters, which in itself is reason enough to want to object. And lastly, she only has 24 years under her belt, which in my humble opinion is far too few to be making such big decisions.

Case in point: when I was in VCE, my first preference for university was a Tourism Management course at Swinburne. Who would want to go to Swinburne I hear you ask? To this day I cannot answer that, but fast- forward six years and I’m studying Journalism at Monash. The point is, such decisions (yes, choosing a life-partner is as tough as choosing a life-long career) require perspective – and at four and twenty – you have very little.

Speaking of Four ‘n’ Twenty – pies have a lot in common with the ol’ knot-tying tradition… If you cook them too quickly they burst, if you leave them too long in the oven they burn, if you take them out before they’re ready you get cold meat and if you leave them in the fridge too long they expire. Getting the balance just right? Well that’s the difficult part. I’m not suggesting my friend should channel her inner Zsa Zsa Gabor and practise until she makes perfect, but maybe the iconic leading lady is proof that good things come to those who wait. After eight attempts at happily ever after, her ninth was the charm.

If the old adage that once you pop, you can’t stop has any credence, then it looks like I’ll be in for a gruelling year of engagement parties, house warmings, weddings, and baby showers, and not necessarily in that order. According to the ABS, children born out of wedlock and shot-gun weddings are all the rage, with 38 percent of children born out of wedlock.

As incredibly happy as I am for my friend, and in my relationship, the idea of making such an outlandish commitment when I can’t even choose a hair colour is extremely perplexing… Since medicine made it possible for us to live for longer than thirty years, ensuring the future of the world (see: populate or perish) is just not high on my to-do list.

Tianna Nadalin is a full-time Editorial Assistant at the Sunday Herald Sun and a full-time communications student at Monash University

Do you ever feel out of step with your friends? Feel like you are moving in a different direction to them or are they moving away from you?

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291 Comments so far

  1. SJC

    “When I can’t even choose a hair colour..”
    I love this and I’m the same at 24. I’ve changed my uni degree four times already (and I’m thinking of changing again!) I’m in no state to commit to another person…

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    • I’m 25 (not 26 yet, 6 more dayyyyyyyys) and I STILL experiment with my hair colour. Blonde, to bleached blonde for 18-21, brown to very very dark brown for 21-22, dark red for 22-23 and copper red for 23-26 (ish)! Now I’m strawberry blonde. Who knows what colour next! I am a hair chameleon!

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  2. Corey

    I think the author of this article comes across as very young. I think that in a few years’ time she might be mortified by the tone she used here.

    I am never going to get married. It’s just not for me, I don’t really enjoy weddings and I’m not religious – it just has never seemed very important so I’ve never done it.

    Having said that, my partner and I have been together nine years (since we were 23) and have one little “bastard” together. I am extremely hurt that someone in this day and age would use a term like that.

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  3. pillowtree

    A few years ago my bestie got engaged at the age of 22. Her engagement came as such a surprise (first of our group) that I felt the same way as the author, thinking to myself “Whoa that is way too young what are you doing!?”

    Once I got over the spinning out and said congratulations, I asked her really seriously, “are you sure? Are you REALLY sure?’

    Turns out she definitely was sure! And then I couldn’t be happier for them. They’ve been married for a few years now, and recently welcomed a little boy into their family :)

    So I think that experience helped me to understand that everyone will be ‘ready’ at different times and it’s all normal, and just because *I* wasn’t anywhere near ready for marriage (as in, run for the hills!) didn’t mean it was the same for my girlfriends.

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  4. Belle

    I clicked on this post thinking it would be something light-hearted and humorous but I was left disappointed. Love is the most amazing blessing in the world and if your lucky enough to find it grab onto it with both hands. I’m 24 and I feel i have enough life experience to make important decisions about my future, if you are not able to then I feel extremely sorry for you and think maybe its time you got out there and experienced life. Age is only a number and people should feel free to make choices regarding what suits them best- without judgement.

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    • Belle

      I love that some of my comments have been removed! Bit disappointing

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  5. Anon

    Only a very few of my daughter’s friends married in their 20′s and had babies. I would always think they were too young – not because of lack of maturity but because once you have children you live for them and have an enormous responsibility. I just think your 20′s should be carefree and for experiencing a freedom that you’ll never know again.

    The flip side is that now they’re 30, desperation is setting in!

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  6. Ella

    The author claims this is simply about her personal experiences, yet doesn’t hesitate to whip out ‘statistics’ to ‘prove’ to us all the getting married before 30 is a terrible idea. Your notion that 23 year olds are too stupid to make big life choices offends me. Don’t want to get married? Then please, please dont.

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  7. Grace

    Ladies! Calm down! It’s an opinion piece…so naturally, she is stating her opinion.

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  8. backagain

    Ok, so clearly it’s of no interest to YOU right now, but what of your friend? Each to their own :)
    My cousin’s daughter just got married at 18 to her boyfriend of 3 years… so yeah, it still happens. Just not as common.

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    • Anon

      Really?! See, I just wouldn’t tell people that.

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      • Anonymous

        I don’t think admitting that you know someone who got married at 18 and being happy for them is anything to be ashamed of.

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  9. Lily

    Ok, so the reference to bastards has been taken out of the article, and my comment below?

    Erm, edit your own writing as much as you want but I think it becomes censorship when you try and edit mine.

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    • Rick Morton

      Our comment guidelines are pretty clear. We reserve the right to edit for tone on MM, as we run the site. It was most likely removed as it would no longer match the content of the post.

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      • Lily

        Your site, your rules – and that’s fine.I just don’t think I was being uncivil – I paraphrased the author’s quote about bastards and perpetual nagging and said I saw why people had been put offside. I wasn’t attacking the author or any comments at all, in fact I think my comment was fairly evenhanded.

        I’m just confused, I guess.

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        • Lily

          Ok, I’m commenting on a comment of Rick’s that he edited and now I’m editing mine and it’s all getting very confusing. References to incivility refer to original comment which was edited.

          ANYWAY, bigger issues to stress over, just curious why my b-’B’ word was removed when others’ weren’t.

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  10. MissV

    I have the same sort of feelings to the situation too!
    When I was 19, friends started buying houses and getting engaged with their partners. Personally I couldn’t do it at that age, I had never lived (and still don’t) with my partner and to me, those decisions were much too big for me to even fathom whilst being a poor uni student.

    Now at 25, alot of my friends are getting engaged and buying houses still, again without having lived together or even out of home. For some it has worked and for others it hasn’t.

    If it’s a decision that has been well thought out rather than an “in the moment” thing, then it probably will work out, but for others who think of relationships as a competition, while i do wish the best for them, I’m always skeptical, but i generally keep it to myself. And I’m sure the fact that I don’t believe marriage is a necessity in a committed relationship is part of the reason as to why i’m skeptical.

    I also think that in this day and age where everything is so instant and out there for the world to see, people feel that they need to “keep up” with everyone around them and because you can see everything on facebook and twitter, it seems that everyone around you is getting engaged/married/buying houses/having kids.

    xxxmissvxxx.wordpress.com

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  11. Katherine

    What I’m getting from this is that you don’t think much of your friend or her judgement.

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  12. Chris

    Funny article, I’m glad there is some sensible people out there who realise marriage isn’t everything and study is more important

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    • Anonymous

      Is there any reason why you can’t have both?

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      • reddirtprincess

        It is only with the support of my long term partner that I am able to go back and study. So for me, education (and consequently career) fit in well with relationship.

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    • taegalie

      I got married at 20 and finished my Masters degree at 23 (last year). My husband (28 this year) is also university educated. I don;t really get what marriage has to do with studying…

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    • Tara

      Yeah I don’t get this comment either… I have a bachelors, honours and masters, and my husband has two bachelor degrees with honours. We’re 25 and we met the first day of uni (same uni different degrees). What’s wrong with a study buddy?

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  13. zabie

    All this fuss over just one of your friends getting engaged? Maybe she and her fiance intend to wait a few more years, live together first, before the wedding?

    It seems strange that you’re “over the moon” for your friend, but at the same time predict that, unless she waits, her marriage is going to be a lifetime of her and her partner nagging and ignoring each other.

    I agree with someone else’s earlier comment that any important commitment in life is a gamble, to some extent. No-one can predict the future or know with complete certainty that the decisions they make are the right ones. If at 24 your friend feels ready then good luck to her. If it doesn’t work out, she’ll learn from it and be able to move on.

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  14. Hold onto your hat

    Wow, seems like the majority of commenters are hating on the author because they all got married young (i.e. under 24 yrs old). Hey, if you meet the right person for you at a young age and you both want to get married, then go for it! But not everyone does that.
    I am now 30, met the love of my life last year, and am certain we’ll be together forever, married or not. But I am certainly in no rush – from my married friends I can see that marriage is not the be-all and end-all – a happy relationship is, married or not.

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    • S/B

      I’m not “hating” on the author because I got married young, in fact I’m not “hating” on the author at all – I really wish people would realise that a difference of opinion is just that, a difference of opinion! It doesn’t mean that you hate the person or are talking down to them or are being argumentative – if just means you have a different opinion!!!

      I disagree with the author because of her sweeping generalisations about people who got/get married young. You’re right, I’m VERY lucky that I met the right person young and so got married young and yup it’s not for everyone but she’s basing her opinion on how she feels about getting married young, which of course she’s entitled to feel how she feels about the issue but don’t judge everyone else just because YOU’RE not comfortable with the idea.

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  15. archie

    I think you will probably find that the ABS statistics on 30ish as the average take into account both first and second marriages. Many people will marry in their early twenties, a fair few will remarry in their forties and fifties, (and up! Onya, Gran) and this will skew the average. If you demand all your friends concur with the stats, you will technically be hanging out with the chain-draggers.

    By the way, I have no idea what “bastards” (*shudder* hate that word) have to do with your friend getting married, or you feeling out of step. Let’s just agree to kill that term right here, shall we?

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  16. Lily

    I’m torn. On the one hand, I hate that so often this forum becomes a platform for women to tear shreds off each other or an author who is just saying what they think.

    And I kind of want to be all ‘Go Tianna, good for you!’

    On the other hand, I mean… ‘Lifelong perpetual nagging’? Really? I can sort of see why a lot of people are a little… offside…

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  17. Anonymous

    Why should age matter when it comes to life and committing to the person you want to spend your life with? how judgemental are some people! when you know you know! each person is different some girls just want to get married and have babies other want to be career orientated…the author says that she is happy with her friend but im not buying it at all!

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    • backagain

      Careful not to throw around the ‘how judgmental’ comments on this forum. About four other commentators will all call you judgmental for being judgmental and how they hate how we’re all just so judgmental. Sigh.

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  18. WTE

    I’m surprised at the number of people who believe that living together is necessary before marriage. From what I understand statistics actually show the opposite.

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    • Anonymous

      What statistics are these? I don’t mean to sound rude, but if there’s a study, or some kind of statistic that says this I’d really like to see the breadth and parameters of the study.

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      • WTE

        Here’s one example:
        http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/07/090713144122.htm

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        • Anonymous

          Thank you!

          That makes perfect sense, people are more likely to say “Marriage is the next logical step to living together” and those are the ones that end up unhappy, especially if they’ve lived together out of convenience in the first place.

          I guess it’s like anything, you have to know what direction you want the decision to take you in.

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    • Anonymous

      Yes, but when I learnt about this in my psychology course at uni, they say these statistics may be due to the fact that people that do not live together before marriage, often are more likely to take on more “traditional” roles in the relationship. There was also a new report recently I believe that said that whole “why buy the cow when you can milk it through the fence” is also absolutely bogus too.

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  19. Katie

    I got engaged at 24 and married just after I turned 25. M surprised this is considered young. I thought it was just the normalish age.. Interesting article but a bit perplexing.. Maybe if your friend was 18 and was getting hitched I could see your point but at the end of the day it’s the ole cliche – different strokes for different folks ;)

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  20. s/b

    Wow so if you don’t think your friend has any “perspective” at 24, I can only imagine how little you think I had when I got engaged at 20 after only dating the guy for 3 weeks! 11 months after we met we were married. This November we will celebrate 12 years of marriage. I’d say we’re a success story, despite the many naysayers at the time.

    Was I young when I got married? Definitely! And yet there I was living on the other side of the world – alone – making my own way in life. Young doesn’t necessarily mean foolish or immature. I was the youngest of all my friends to get married and yet 13 years down the track, hubs & I are the only ones still together. Weird.

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    • b

      That’s so romantic! Unlike your story, I know that it would have been a disaster if I got married at 20 and I’d probably be worried about my friends getting married so young. Everyone is different!

      This post makes me think about how much perspectives have changed since our parents and grandparents time. Now young marriages make us worried, back then it was just par for the course and you were a spinster if you weren’t married by 25! My parents only dated for 2 months before getting married and they were 21 and 25. Still happily married 42 years later. Was it because times were simpler then or do we just like to pretend that?

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  21. Zel

    I’m twenty four and got married three months ago. And actually, it was completely in step with my friends – my best friend married seven months before me, another two weeks before me, and another two months after me. One is also 24 and the others are 27. But our ages don’t matter – we’re all individuals who have careers and stable income, wonderful families and friends, are well-travelled and have love and commitment for our partners. I don’t think age matters here – when you’re ready, you’re ready.

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  22. Holly

    I have felt like I was out of step with my friends when I had my first baby several years before they had theirs. All of a sudden we were on different paths. And now that they have little babies and my kids are a bit older and I have time to catch up again and they don’t, I still feel out of step with them. I think it happens quite often in life, something most of us have to deal with at some point. It can be hard, it can be sad and lonely but it does make us stronger and force us to widen our circle of friends to include those who are moving at the same pace as our own.

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  23. AJS

    My sister got engaged at 21. But they only tied the knot when she was 31 (and it wasn’t an on/off relationship as far as I know). So, even though things can seem fast, sometimes the weddings don’t always happen as quickly as one might expect.

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  24. Nico

    I agree. The weddings have started last year, and they’re picking up, so I guess for the next ten years I’ll be listening to ‘Single Ladies’ as a friend throws her bouquet! :)
    People have asked why me and my gf aren’t planning on getting married because we’ve been together for a while, I tell them it’s because I want a good quality open-bar, and can’t afford that at 24!

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    • AJS

      Haha I love it.

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      • Nico

        Everyone knows that’s the best part of the wedding!

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    • elbow

      The DJ suggested that song for the bouquet throwing at our wedding in January. I think it can touch a raw nerve with some people so I went for ‘Man i feel like a woman’ instead!

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      • Nico

        I have to feel sorry for the DJs. I’m sure they hear that song waaaaaay too much!

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      • maybedaisy

        I like a little ‘Just Haven’t Met You Yet’ by Michael Buble.

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    • MissV

      Nico that’s exactly what my boyfriend always says!!

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  25. Frankie

    I was in no way ready to get married at that age (even though I was briefly engaged then. To my husband, but it’s a long story). But that doesn’t mean that no one is ready. Or even not ‘ready’ but willing to have a go.

    I was a bit perplexed by the article and then got to the bit about bastards. What? Maybe I’m not smart or sophisticated enough to get it, but I don’t get why that had to be there. So loaded. (And one of my kids is a ‘bastard’ actually).

    To answer the questions, yep, I’m out of step with my friends sometimes. We go in different directions lots of the time. Some friendships last through anything and some don’t. That’s life, I’m comfortable enough with myself that I understand that I don’t need to make other people feel ridiculous to mean that I’m making the right choices for myself. I know that this comfort sometimes only comes with age, so I say all that with kindness not snark.

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    • Lana

      I have edited that bit – should not have the word “bastard” in it. Our mistake and apologies

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  26. May!

    I’m 23 and at uni, and in theory I agree with the author. I come from a regional town where getting married or having a baby a couple of years outside of high school is not anything out of the ordinary, and it does seem weird to me.

    You might SAY “oh I’m over the moon for my friend” But it certainly doesn’t seem that way. I remember Mia saying that whatever you put out is what you get back- after reading some of the comments I think this is a good example of that.

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  27. Nelly

    I understand where you’re coming from Tianna.

    Although, I just got married two months ago, and I am 26, I still see what you’re saying. :)

    Mostly because I too wonder how people how don’t live together can make the decision to get married.

    Naturally, I’m from the living together before getting married group, so I knew precisely what marriage was going to be for me – and in fact it was disappointingly the same! Well, I foolishly thought I might be happier than before, somehow, but I guess I’m at maximum happiness in my life right now.

    I too find it mind-boggling that people would get married without living together, like other people who have kids without getting a plant, goldfish, furry pet and then a baby, but only if you haven’t killed the previous things.

    Yet sometimes, people can make that work too.

    And also, like having kids before going to uni (shock!) and getting married before living together, if people try hard enough, it works.

    Lets hope they go camping together a lot before they get married, if they don’t live together. I find camping with someone or living with them helps reveal all people’s true colours. :)

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  28. Matter of Opinion

    Ladies ladies ladies… relax!!!! We’re not after a virtual bitch fight are we?!

    Whatever happened to free speech, just a thought or matter of opinion??

    Pardon my ignorance, but isnt that what online blogging is all about??

    You’re thoughts are just as valid, but to start calling this piece negative, insulting and jealous… is taking it a bit far.

    By all means, put in your two cents about your relationships that worked and you’re 10 years later happily married etc etc etc but this is an OPINION piece. From what Tianna can see, this friend of hers is jumping in too soon – HER opinion. She has seen plenty of failed relationships of friends moving in together, learning about their partners and realising they were not meant to be together.

    I think her concern is simply that. Her friend hasn’t lived with this guy! In MY opinion (no jumping up and down now ladies…) that really changes everything! Living together and working as a team is severely important and vital to the success of a relationship.

    So…. ladies, pitch forks down, let’s respect each other’s opinions (really hope you don’t plan on teaching your kids to react the way most of you have reacted!) and maybe give Tianna some kudos for having an opinion and not being afraid of the mob to voice it for the purposes of journalism!

    Good on ya love! Here’s to our weddings when we’re 30!! :)

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    • perthwife

      This piece IS insulting – that’s why so many people are writing (rightly or wrongly) such harsh comments.

      It’s insulting when someone calls a child a “bastard” simply because their parents aren’t married

      It is also insulting to say that someone who’s 24 years old is too young to be making big decisions.

      But hey, that’s just my opinion….

      [ http://perthwife.wordpress.com ]

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      • Lana

        I have edited the word “bastard”. Our mistake and apologies

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  29. Profiterole

    Wow, this is all a bit judgy. Get married when you want to, I reckon. Why should it matter to anyone else? You say it doesn’t matter to you, but you’ve gone to the trouble of writing a whole article on the subject. Makes sense.
    I’ve been a student at Swinburne, and am planning on starting another course there next year. Ouch!
    And I’m a ‘bastard!’ I’ve nearly hit the trifecta, do I win a prize? Wait a sec, I’ll just go get engaged..

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  30. Laws for Clouds

    When I got married at 21, plenty of people thought my life was over. Not sure why, does 30 year old who gets married suddenly stop living?

    In the last 10 years, I’ve travelled, earned a degree, lived overseas, bought a house and had three kids. I also changed career, which is what most people do 4 times in their lives on average.

    You should really stop refering to your ‘friend’ that way – I doubt she’ll want to be your friend after reading this.

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    • Petal

      I got married at 22 after being with my now husband for six years. I loved him and wanted to be with him so what’s the big deal? We’re still together after 19 years. I think if you’re happy and together anyway whats the difference?

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  31. B's Mummy

    Just because you’re not ready for marriage at 24 doesn’t mean your friend is the same and I don’t think it’s fair to poke fun at someone that you’re supposedly happy for. I was at uni when I got engaged, 21, and married at 22. I had my 1st baby at 23. To me, that’s not young at all. Of course people will judge me and that’s fine. If they want to be so closed minded then so be it.

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  32. Tracey T

    Hmmm,reading this article only once I have to say it is way too “try hard”. Sure, the writer is entitled to an opinion but it just did not strike me as a genuine and authentic article. I was put off by the first point about heterosexuals making a mockery of marriage and therefore making the leap to this somehow supporting gay marriage …huh? It all went down hill from there. The actual topic got lost in the shallow jokes…… so I feel I can hardly comment on getting married at a young age! Sorry.

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    • Anonymous

      Yep. It’s “cool” to jump on the “support gay marriage” bandwagon.
      I love how the author used her comment in context too- like supporting gay marriage has everything to do with getting married too young!

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  33. Lisa @ Blithe Moments

    I have friends who got married at 21, they are still doing fantastic with baby number 2 on the way. I also have a number of friends who married in their early 20s and are now divorced. That said I have friends who married in their 30s and got divorced.

    For me this article is more about that mind shift you go through every time you reach a new point in your life. Remember when people started getting their driver’s licences, how amazing that was. Next thing people have their own place, no parents watching everything! All those phases, marriages, babies, divorces, etc are points where you have a sudden realisation of time going by and sometime you are just astonished by it.

    Not only that but as we get older we are all on different paths. Marriage at 21 for some, late 20s for many (just wait for those few years – wow I spent a lot on presents), and all the other life events in between. Realising that you aren’t at the same stage as your friends who until now you did everything with can be a bit daunting. The important thing is that you are happy in your own skin.

    I recently wrote on my blog http://http://blithemoments.blogspot.com.au/ about seeing a couple of my friends with their babies. I had this moment of feeling so different from them, before I realised that no, we are still the same friends we always have been, we just got to a different place at a different time.

    So enjoy your friend’s wedding Tianna in the knowledge that when you are ready, you will learn from all the dodgy weddings of those who start early!

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  34. Lucy Ormonde

    Hey guys, remember our comment guidelines and keep it cool. Tianna’s not judging *you*, just stating her opinion – and that’s what we encourage at MM.
    Haven’t you ever felt out of step with your friends? I know I have. Let’s talk about it.

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    • Profiterole

      I disagree, I think it is judging.
      “Who would want to go to Swinburne, I hear you ask?”
      Ermm.. I would?
      All the emotive language; ‘Bastards’? ‘Shotgun weddings’? Aside from the opinion being pretty outdated, the language is used to press that opinion and make it personal. Which, incidentally, features highly in the Herald Sun.. I learnt this in my high school English class.
      If it managed to annoy me, a very calm person, then there’s a good chance there’s a reason.
      If the author’s point was ‘people my age are getting married, I’m not at in that place in life, so I don’t really understand’, why not just say that? I would agree. I am at the same age and feel the same way, I really don’t know why all the extra prickly fluff was necessary.

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      • Lucy Ormonde

        It’s fine to disagree with Tianna’s opinion – but there’s no need to be nasty about it. Sometimes we just need to remind people of that.

        And for the record – I went to Swinburne too. And I wasn’t hurt when I read that comment… I kind of agreed!

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        • Profiterole

          That’s fine to say, but making sweeping derogatory statements about a whole student body? A whole group of people who just happen to be born to non-married parents (something I think a lot of people agree is completely inconsequential in this day and age)? People who want to get married young?
          I think that’s nasty. And if someone is going to publish that, they can’t really be massively surprised if some people respond in kind..

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          • Profiterole

            Oh, and just to add – I wasn’t personally hurt by the Swinburne thing either, bit too grown up for that. I do think it is an offensive statement to make though, along with the rest.

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    • Kate O

      Lucy I agree, I think the problem is the author has collectively judged so many readers that it is hard not to be upset.

      Of course everyone has felt out of step with their friends at one stage or another. Feeling out of step is one thing, being the mean girl about it is another.

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    • Liza

      I have to disagree, Tianna has written an article where she has used her limited personal opinion to openly judge her readers so I think she should be prepared to take the heat on this one. I’m not sure this was her intention, I think she lost her message in this incredibly badly written piece, but it should be a good lesson for a jounalism student.

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      • Lana

        I see where you are coming from but if you don’t want her to judge others we should not be judging her in comments

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        • Anna

          I think it’s great that the mamamia staff stick up for each other but honestly, if an article is posted which is rude and judgmental, than I think that needs to be acknowledged.

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    • Anonymous

      Patronising much?

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  35. Kateateight

    Hee hee, so many furious readers…

    Anyway – I think you raised a really interesting point r.e. choosing a career vs. choosing a spouse.

    At least with a career there is flexibility – would you choose a career at 24 which you wanted to stick with until you die? I wouldn’t think so – I would think you would keep trying it out for a few more years before making that decision.

    If I am going to be honest, I think a lot of people don’t put much thought into marriage at all. In many cases I suspect it is either

    a) a foregone conclusion because of society’s expectations or
    b) a YAY I WON! I’m going to be a BRIDE! Someone chose ME I’m not going to be alone forever!

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    • Karyn

      Completely agree with your comments there! For some women it feels like there’s a race to get married and the last one there is the rotten egg!

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  36. Lolly

    I was engaged at 24 and un-engaged at 25…I don’t even know what I want to do with my life let alone think about getting married…

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  37. Disappointed

    I’m 25, no where near ready for marriage and found myself being unable to relate to my friends who did get married in their early 20′s. This was NOT because I thought they were wrong, but more because I had such different plans to them (I wanted to travel and get my career sorted first – not that you can’t do this whilst married).

    BUT! I was extremely happy for each of them and beamed with pride at their weddings. They were happy with their decisions so why would I think they needed to be doing anything else with their lives?

    I thought this article would be a more intelligent and funny playful poke at my married counterparts, but I found it to be juvenile (pie and jegging analogies? Wow, sophisticated journalism right there. I don’t care how much ‘full-time’ experience you have!) and offensive.

    Again, judging by the writing style of this article, the author is not ready for marriage but perhaps her more mature friends are. Regardless though, each to their own so long as both parties are happy.

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  38. fifif

    I am 25 and to tell you the truth 2 years ago I would have completely agreed with the author.. although lately i have been getting depressed with the number of kidults out there (myself included) just because we are moving to an era where people are getting more and more educated and living at home longer and longer does not mean that we can handle responsibility. At that age you should be mature enough to make a decision of who to spend your life with, whether to have children etc etc… Whether you like it or not you are an adult at 23 and can make these decisions and just cause you wanna be a kidult (like me) for a bit longer doesnt mean you should judge those who dont

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  39. kadriye

    What a lot of negative comments….. I married at 22, 7yrs ago now. We felt ready and it was the right decision for us. This article is an opinion piece and I’m sure the way the author feels is exactly how some of my friends felt at the time but they still supported me as I’m sure she will support her friend.

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  40. Mummyto2

    It is old fashioned to think that getting married at 23 means you have to stop work and have a baby. Along with “if they are somehow allowed to marry”. They are both adults, surely they don’t need their parents permission to get married.

    Whatever happened to wanting to spend time enjoying a marriage, working, travelling, catching up with friends for drinks, going away on weekends etc – the same sort of things you would do regardless of being married?

    Not everyone gets married early because they want to pop out a child within 9 months.

    My husband and I had been married for 13 years before we had our first child.

    We wanted to be in stable jobs, enjoy our time being married, and enjoy our life together before we “settled down” and had kids.

    We now have two gorgeous girls who we adore. Yes, we miss all the things we used to do together as a couple, like travelling, but we know that we will do it again one day. Our life is just a little different now, we take pleasure in spending time together as a family. We have single & married friends who are always travelling overseas, and we are happy for them. But you know what I wouldn’t trade being a Mummy in for the world :)

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  41. Bec

    How does the quote go about walking in other peoples shoes?? Sometimes its hard to understand where others are coming from or the choices they make, simply because we are not them. Im quite sure all my friends thought i was completly insane when i married my boyfriend of four years at the tender age of 20. For me it was simply “Right” Im now 38, still madly inlove with my husband and have two boys. I feel truly blessed for the life i have. The age you get married doesnt matter, its if its the right thing for you, the right person. Its great that Tianna knows she doesnt want that yet, and equally great her friend does :)

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  42. Ami

    I’m 24 and in a similar position to the author.
    Quite a few of my friends have recently gotten engaged/married and a handful also have children.
    But it troubles me but for a different reason to Tianna.
    I’m concerned my friends seem to think their happiness is dependant on a man.
    And yes, let me be the first to say, I am SURE a husband/partner and babies and building a life together is a happy experience and I do not begrudge anyone who wants this for themselves. I want to for myself too.
    But I went to a progressive all girls school, where we were told we could BE anything and DO anything we want to.
    These girls had the same education as me and I struggle when they throw away their brilliant careers, opportunities to travel and other experiences.
    (My friends have anyway, I do realise there are women out there with more balance)
    And with two of my friends, I cannot shake the feeling they themselves are not 100% convinced on their life partner of choice. (I am their friend and they confide in me) but still seem to be in a hurry to walk down the aisle.
    I am not the jealous single friend. I’ve been with my boyfriend for 3 years, we plan to move in together this year. I know he will be the man I marry, but I’m not in a hurry for this to happen. We have plans to travel overseas together and work on our own careers. We have discussed a time frame in which we want to have children.
    I think women and men need to be happy within themselves, and know themselves (which comes with time, experiences) before committing to marriage and children.

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    • Olivia

      I am in a similar situation as the author. Early twenties and lots of my friends in long term relationships who have started to talk about marriage. My worry with many of my friends is that they are a) scared of being single because of the stigma and they define themselves through their relationships and b) they want a wedding not a marriage,so they are willing to marry their not so fantastic boyfriend just so they can plan the wedding and get presents and play house. I know that is not the case with many people but I think it fits a significant percentage.
      And to everyone who said the author was jealous of her friend. Relax, your single friends are no more jealous of you then you are of them.

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    • lucy

      that reminds me of Mona Lisa Smile, when all the women go to college to wait to get married, and julia stiles character decides not to go any study further because she is madly in love and julia roberts character is like wtf!!

      Sorry… tangent.

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      • MissV

        i was just about to say that Lucy. it’s very like bettie (getting married because of expectations etc and what’s her face (Julia Stiles)!

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  43. Bunny

    Hmmm…. I have to disagree with the author here. I think we might be too quick to judge someone based on their age alone.

    I am 24. I married the love of my life last year. We have been together since we were 15, and had lived together for 7 years before marriage. There was absolutely NOTHING rushed or ill-thought through when we made the decision to marry. And it is slightly offensive that there are people out there who might be judging me and my choices based on my age alone.

    In my humble opinion:
    1. I don’t think age has much to do with whether two individuals are ready to marry or not. There are plenty of thirty- or forty-somethings who get married just because their social/biological clock is ticking.

    2. To be honest, I think you are placing a little too much importance on just how big marriage is. It’s nothing to be freaked out about. In my experience- not ONE thing changed after marriage.

    To the author I say: I hope that you can see beyond your friend’s age and look at the relationship she has underneath. Four years with someone is a good amount of time- and it is far better than plenty of couples I know who are engaged within 6 months of meeting!

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    • maggie

      I totally agree with your two points!

      You can judge anyone on their age, and assume they dont know what they are doing because they are younger. Very unfair.

      Ageism. I had to deal with that A LOT in S.Korea, and it was really insulting.

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    • Anonymous judging

      24 and living together 7 years?…oh no! I’m doing some anonymous judging!

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      • Bunny

        To be honest, it’s probably closer to 6 years. We moved in with each other in our second year of uni, after being together for 4 years. I’m not sure it warrants judgment- but please go right ahead.

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        • MissV

          it’s funny Bunny (unintended rhyming there!), you guys have been probably a year longer than me and my partner. We don’t live together and never have and we get judged for it all the time. It seems you can’t win.

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          • Nico

            Do people comment? I’ve been with my gf for three years, and have no plans to move in with her anytime soon (I want to live by myself, we want to finish our stressful degrees, uh, I don’t really want to! Ha) and people are already giving me s**t about it, which can be very disheartening.
            It’s nice to see other people who don’t want to live with their partners around, makes me feel less of a horrible girlfriend :)

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  44. donna

    You say you are happy for your friend but you seriously sound like u have a case of the green eyed monster. Seriously I am an educated women who got married at 24 and my dear friend just got married this year, 10 years later. I kissed alot of toads and more before i met my husband but even if i didn’t who are you to say that my decissions are wrong. We waited 5 years to have kids, travelled and lived overseas but those were our choices. I am still madly in love with my husband as i was then. Age does not discriminate against love, friends do.

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  45. Jess

    My sister is getting married in six months. She’s 23 and she and her partner (who is the same age) have been together for eight years.

    They have proved they are committed to each other. They know they want to spend their lives together. So why should they wait?

    I don’t see why anyone cares or even has an opinion on what age people should get married. It’s about personal choice.

    Personally, I am 26 and live with my boyfriend and weddings are practically my second job these days. I’ve been to four already this year, am a bridesmaid in another two and am invited to another two already.

    I must admit, all this wedding talk is making me slightly more eager for my own engagement! But although we’ve been together three years later this year and living together for a year, I don’t see it happening any time soon!

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    • Jess

      Also, I know the girl this writer is talking about and I wonder if she sought her permission before writing this piece. Also, “bastards” is an incredibly offensive and old-fashioned term. My mother was born out of wed-lock and that term was used to bully and demean her at school.

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      • Amy

        I hate that term too!!! My hubby was born out of wedlock, but is the sweetest, kindest and most giving person. The B word is the last thing I would ever call him!

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        • b

          I hate that word too. Nowadays there are a lot of people who don’t marry but are completely in love and committed to their partners (including myself). It horrifies me to think that our babies, born out of love and to two parents who adore each other and them, will be called that. I know it’s only meant light heartedly but still a little harsh!

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  46. Anonymous

    I just want to say with respect that:
    One theory as to why divorce is so common is that we, as a society, “practice divorce”. If we live with someone before marriage and things aren’t working out we take our bat and ball and go home. Some people do this several times over with several different partners and then when we do get married and things aren’t working what do we do? The thing we have been practicing. Taking our things and leaving just like the 2 or 3 times before.
    Living together before you’re married is normal and everyone does it right? Well divorce has become normal too – statistics say something like one in two.
    If you don’t want to end up divorced why don’t you try doing something NOT normal like waiting until you’re married to live together.
    Obviously this is not the only reason why people are getting divorced but it makes sense to me.
    I’m not making any judgements at all – just an observation :)
    On another note, who are to choose who is ready for marriage and who is not?
    If your friend values the institution of marriage and wants to get married how about supporting her instead of dragging her down?
    A little respect goes a long way.

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    • Sally

      By theory about the living together before marriage vs divorce rate is that people who live together unmarried get too focus on getting married that they don’t stop to look at WHO they are with. Then once they are married, they realise it’s not to the person they want so get divorced. Does that make sense?

      I say this from a little experience..I’ve lived (unmarried) with my partner for 6 years and for the first few all I wanted was to get married (everyone else was doing it, why aren’t we?!) but my partner wouldn’t give in. Thank god. It was never about him and I, it was only about ‘getting married’. I think he knew this.
      Then guess what, once I stopped hassling to get married, and focused on us instead, we got engaged, but we still have no plan on getting married anytime soon. That shit is expensive and really, will make no change. I am just stoked to be with the totally awesome guy :)

      Of course this doesn’t apply to everyone though!

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      • Anonymous

        Yep I understand your point- almost like people are too busy planning for a wedding they don’t plan a marriage!

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      • You are so right Sally. I got so focussed on getting married, I had pictures all over my screen saver at home of weddings and made “jokes” about how Mr W and I weren’t engaged yet when out at friends events, talked about it ALL THE TIME.

        Then we nearly broke up about 6 weeks ago and I realised that it has to stop. Yes, I’m sure I want to be with him forever, but he won’t propose if he thinks that all I want is a wedding.

        I’m shutting my mouth about it for another 12 months, sitting tight and seeing if it will happen. If it doesn’t, I’m out of there, if it does, then I’ll be over the moon. Sincerely hoping it is the latter and in the mean time, when I feel upset about how he hasn’t proposed yet I will vent to my friends both here and in real life.

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        • katherine anne

          I did exactly the same thing.
          After realising that my marriage talk was scaring my boyfriend, i decided to shut up about it. I also went to Italy for 6 months, without him.
          He surprised me by showing up and proposing! Leave the ball in his court. :)

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  47. Eleanor

    Firstly Tianna, don’t worry about the naysayers above – these are your thoughts and your view on the world. Apparently, you are the only one not allowed to have an opinion!

    As for questioning your journalistic style – you clearly have engaged all of these people with your storytelling so I commend you! 

    I am 30 and can relate to the constant reminders on FB of engagements, weddings, pregnancies and babies growing up. But when you get to my age, you realize you are happy for these people and you look back on your life and think, wow, I’m really proud of the life experiences I’ve had that have made me the person I am today. And then you look forward to the future and realize how much more you have to do.

    So my young friend, just keep travelling on your path and see what awaits you – clearly, you have a bright future given you are so young and already writing for the Sunday Herald Sun – all the more power to you!

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    • Ellie

      I have lived with my fiancé for 3 years and we are getting married next year. I have never lived with another man and it’s problematic to assume that living with someone indicates that you’ve lived with lots of men (sounds a little like a moral judgement to me).

      Rather than “practicing divorce” we’ve been “practicing marriage” and have often spoken about how glad we are that we made this decision because we know what we’re in for. Remember, it’s dangerous to make huge generalisations, especially if you want to avoid offending people who don’t fit your theory. And there are LOTS of reasons for the increase in divorce and it’s not necessarily a bad thing.

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  48. Missy

    This article is pretty offensive.

    I am 24 and will be getting married later this year.

    My parents weren’t married when they had me, so that makes me a bastard.

    I guess I am just a stupid, foolish person that shouldn’t be reading this blog.

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    • Anonymous

      good luck with your marriage. i was 24 when I got married and have no regrets.

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    • Serena

      Agreed. I was married at 24, pregnant at 25 and now have 3 kids at age 31. I’m still struggling to understand the point of this story to be honest.

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    • Lana

      Let’s just remember that she was writing about her own experience – and how she is out of step with her friends. Let’s not attack the author for the way she feels

      Dinner party rules please

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      • Gdog

        I feel like the article focusses less on the out of step-ness and more on the inability for a 24 year old to be able to make a big decision like marriage.
        It feels pretty judgmental to me. I was quite taken aback.

        In answer to the out of step with your friends bit, I actually feel out of step with my friends for being married with three kids at 29 , also for returning to uni! Most of my friends are in their well established careers and single or dating!

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      • missy

        Lana, I don’t mean to attack the author personally, I just think it’s harsh to call my choices naive and ridiculous, and to riducule people who go to Swinburne or are born with unmarried parents.

        I think the post itself contradicts the dinner party rules.

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        • Mary

          I completely agree. I was 24 when I got married and i’m now 36 with 3 children. Every year i think to myself that it was better then the last. I think it breaks the dinner party rules for the writer to assume that I was ridiculous and naive for making that decision at that age. In a couple of decades she’ll realise that wisdom doesn’t always come with age.

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    • Marnie

      Missy, I got married when I was 21. I’m now 26 and very much still in love with my husband. And we work together, so that’s always been against us. I’m not going to lie – our married years have been some of the hardest of my life. At different times, we’ve each near had a breakdown. But if you can be a grown up about things, you work on your marriage and yourself. Age doesn’t have a lot to do with a good marriage. Practice, awareness, kindness do. And when that fails, you see a counsellor. Worked for us. :)

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    • katherine anne

      Totally agree.
      I was married at 22, neither husband or myself had lived out of home. We now live in the UK, away from family and friends and have never had any issues with living together.
      How insulting to imply that I would be a ‘nagger’ because I had never lived out of home. I’m actually really hurt and offended by that.

      And for the record, my parents were married at 21 and have just celebrated their 30th wedding anniversary. They never lived out of home before their marriage either.

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  49. Emma

    I got married last year at 23. My husband was 23 at the time too. We had been together for 6 years (almost to the day). It was something that came up in discussion maybe a year into our relationship, and after about 2 or 3 years, we were fairly sure it would happen. We’d been together a bit over 4 years when he proposed and had an engagement of about 20 months.

    I have never felt like i missed out on anything. And a friend of ours who has for awhile, lived the life of getting lots of different girls, with a couple of longer relationships thrown in has even admitted now (at the ripe old age of 23)_that he wants the connection you get from being with one person and sharing everything with them.

    Being marrried doesn’t prohibit you from living. I am working, learning french via distance ed and try hard to maintain a house (and a marriage). At the end of the day, being married does not inherently change your relationship (it is just a bit of paper after all). At the same time, we wanted to be married. We spent many phonecalls discussing why we wanted to get married, for reasons more concrete than “I love you”.

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  50. Carley

    She’s 23, why is she even mentioning the ‘ticking time-bomb that is my ovaries’…I’m sure she’s lovely but as a woman in my thirties, I don’t want to read this.

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    • Big Red

      You read my mind Carley!!
      And Tianna, ONE if your friends is engaged, you’re hardly out if step with your friends. When you’re the only single, child free friend in her 30′s, come back and write another piece, until then, enjoy the excitement a wedding can bring.

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