Note: As with many articles about sexual violence, particularly those that include anecdotes, this may prove triggering for some.
“Sometimes I say ‘yes’ when I’d rather say ‘no.’”
It’s been nearly 25 years, but I can still remember the beautiful Berkeley fall afternoon when I heard those shattering words. Katie and I were sitting in a coffee shop just off campus. What had started as a “friends with benefits” situation had blossomed into a sophomore year romance with this dark-eyed dance-and-philosophy double-major. Katie and I had been sleeping together for more than two months—and saying “I love you” for about a week—when she summoned up the courage to bring up this one very painful truth.
At first, I didn’t know what she meant. She spoke so softly I had to lean across the table to hear her. “I don’t want to hurt your feelings,” she said, “but sometimes I really don’t want to have sex. Sometimes I do, but not as often as you want it. And sometimes I want to tell you ‘no,’ but I can’t bring myself to do it. So I try and send you signals, hoping you can just tell how I’m feeling. But that doesn’t work, so it’s… it’s just easier to say ‘yes’ or just say nothing at all.”
My face flushed. I felt nauseated. I thought instantly of the previous night, where we’d grabbed what I thought was a hot half-hour when my roommates were both gone. Katie had seemed so passionate when we’d been making out, but then gotten very quiet once all our clothes were off. I’d told myself she wanted to have one ear cocked for the sound of a key in the door. I hadn’t considered—or hadn’t wanted to consider—the more obvious possibility: she was trying to tell me that she didn’t want to have sex.
I looked out the window. I couldn’t meet Katie’s eyes. My gaze fixed in the distance, my voice trembling, I asked what seemed the only possible question: “Are you trying to tell me I raped you?”
I was in my first women’s studies course, and just the previous week we’d been reading about sexual violence and the law. In class, where I was one of only three men, I’d felt rage thinking about all of those cruel assholes who didn’t understand that “no means no.” But now a dark and unseen possibility was opening up: not every “no” could be spoken. Maybe, I realized, sometimes even a quiet “OK” could be a “no” in disguise.
Katie started to cry. “Oh God, Hugo. No. Not rape. It’s just… I wish you could tell the difference between when I really want you and when I’d just rather be held.” She began to cry harder. “Fuck. It’s all my fault,” she wept. “I can’t expect you to be a mindreader. I’m so sorry.”
I begged Katie not to apologize; the responsibility was all mine, I insisted. I came around to her side of the table and held her. But something had changed for both of us, and the relationship was never the same. The one time we tried to have sex after that conversation, we were both so tentative (and I had, not surprisingly, a difficult time getting hard) that we gave up halfway through. We broke up two weeks before Christmas.
Most “good guys” take a woman’s firm “No!” for an answer. (Those who don’t are best left to the ministrations of our criminal justice system.) But lots of men are like the guy I was at 19—assuming that while “no means no” anything short of a firm “no” is either a “yes” or a “keep at it, boy, because you just might get a ‘yes’ soon.” Call it male sexual legalism, the first rule of which is “All that is not expressly prohibited is assumed to be permitted.” That legalism can turn many men into accidental rapists.
While the legal standard of rape is increasingly well-defined (and what happened with Katie fell well short of that legal definition), common sense suggests that at its most basic, rape is nonconsensual sex. Too many of us, men and women alike, define consent as the absence of a clear “no,” rather than the presence of a clear, unmistakable, eager “yes.” The opposite of rape, in other words, is mutual enthusiasm.
The root of consent is the Latin consentire, which means “with feeling.” Consent is not just about words “no” or “yes”—it’s about the unambiguous presence of desire. That’s a very different and challenging standard. No, I didn’t legally rape Katie. But her reticence and my sexual legalism conspired to leave us having sex that at least some of the time fell well short of the standard of consent we should all want in our intimate lives.
I’m not putting all the blame on myself, or on men alone. It’s not fair to expect men to read minds, or even to perfectly intuit subtle body language. As I tell the teens with whom I work, a precondition for being ready for a sexual relationship is having the courage to say a firm “No” to the people you love. Overcoming the training to be an acquiescent people-pleaser is hard-but-necessary work, and because of the way we socialize girls, difficulty with saying “no” tends to be much more common among young women.
But guys have work to do also. Too many play what I call the stoplight game. Traffic signals, of course, have three colors: red for stop, yellow for caution, green for go. Good drivers are taught to stop on “red,” which functions as a “no.” But of course, even at the busiest urban intersections, no light stays red indefinitely. If you wait long enough at a stoplight, every red will become green. And when all we do is teach young men that “no means stop” when it comes to sexual boundaries, we often send them the message that if they just wait long enough (or pester, push, nag, beg, play passive-aggressive games) they’ll get the “green light” they’re so hungry for.
In both traffic and the bedroom, the most misunderstood light is yellow. Though driver’s ed classes teach that yellow means “slow down,” most of us see it as a warning to speed up to get through the intersection before the light turns red. Sexually speaking, the yellow means what it ought to mean on the road: “slow down, son.”
Most of us are good at saying “no” to something or someone we don’t like. Most (sadly, not all) find it easy to flash the red light at a creepy guy who doesn’t interest them at all. But it’s tougher to say “not yet, I’m not quite ready” or “slow down” or “maybe later” to someone to whom you’re genuinely attracted. Reflecting on the sex Katie and I had so often, I realized that she often felt rushed and pressured to go to intercourse every time. She knew how to tell me when she wasn’t in the mood to do anything sexual at all, which was when she could “flash the red light.” But on those not-infrequent occasions when she wanted to make out and “fool around” but nothing more—she had no vocabulary for that. And over and over again, I took her reticence as a sign to “try harder” rather than to slow down. The blame for that rested on both of us.
Determining what another person really wants isn’t as easy as it should be. It’s further complicated by the reality that many women (and more than a few men) want to make their partners feel good—even if they don’t desire sex itself. Distinguishing between the desire to be desired, the desire to please a partner, and the desire for sex itself isn’t easy for any of us. Sometimes we need to do more than talk about what we want—we also need to clarify for ourselves and our lovers why we want it. That’s not easy, but it’s essential. We deserve that clarity.
Katie and I lived on different sides of campus; we each walked home separately from that devastating conversation in the café. I remember the guilt and the sadness I felt on that walk, but I also remember the determination I felt. I liked sex—I loved sex—but I knew I’d rather never have it again than have it with someone who was only doing it to soothe me, to please me, or because she couldn’t find the words to say “no” or “not now.” To the best of my imperfect ability, even at my most promiscuous, I have sought to live up to that promise I made to myself on the long walk home through the Berkeley streets.
I knew I hadn’t committed any crime. But the sense of sadness—tinged with disgust—at what Katie and I had conspired to allow to happen made me feel very much like an accidental rapist. Years of working with other men around issues of consent and sexuality have taught me I’m not the only one to have felt those feelings.
We all deserve better.
This post first appeared on The Good Men Project here and has been republished with full permission
Please note if this post or any of the comments bring up any issues for you, or if you need to speak to someone please call the NSW Rape Crisis Centre on 1800 424 017. It does not matter where about you live in Australia, they will take your call and, if need be, refer you to a service closer to home.
Hugo Schwyzer serves as co-director of the Perfectly Unperfected Project, a campaign to transform young people’s attitudes around body image and fashion. He lives with his wife, daughter, and six chinchillas in Los Angeles. Hugo blogs at his eponymous website and at Healthy Is the New Skinny.






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I don’t agree with this at all. if my boyfriend waited until i was 100% into it every time before we had sex we would hardly ever….Sometimes we both know im not as into it as he is at the time but im happy to do it for him because i love him. Plus we both know i usually enjoy it more once we get started.
That said i have no problems with saying no when i don’t want to. But i have no problems with him ‘trying his luck’. I think its all about respect. Hugo clearly had a lot of respect for Kate so i think this is Kate’s issue not Hugos.
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You know, I read that piece and then re-read it just to be sure, and I can’t see that he did anything wrong. In fact, I think it’s quite anti-feminist to put the onus on him for any misunderstanding. His girlfriend was an adult, and if she didn’t want intercourse she should have said so. I never had any problem saying ‘no’, even at the last moment (I’m talking about pre-marriage days here. I certainly don’t have a problem saying ‘no’ to my husband) and if the man didn’t like it, too bad.
What happened was not ‘rape’, accidental or not. Rape is sex by force, or with someone unable to give consent (eg by virtue of being underage or unconscious or mentally incapacitated).
We women can’t take responsibility for violent or abusive men, but Hugo sounds like a lovely man, and Katie sounds like an excessively timid and unassertive girl.
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Thank you. You word more eloquently than I can exactly what I mean.
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I don’t think Hugo saw Katie in the same way as you are, Kerri. He explains himself and says that the blame rested with both of them which to me sounds pretty right. Neither of them was able to put into words what their thoughts and feelings were.
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Perhaps you should really learn a little more about feminism Kerri. The minute you blame a woman for being “excessively timid and unassertive” for being co-erced into sex, you expose yourself for being a horrible misogynist.
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Fat Heffalump, you are a fantastic case study in how hardline feminism does nobody any favours, men or women.
All for equality and the opinions of genuine women (and men) on MM, but maybe there is another, more fringe blog suited to your hardline viewpoint, no?
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I’m a misogynist now? Seriously, you just get funnier and funnier.
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Oh, and for the record? I studied feminism at university. I was actually a social worker in another life. I worked in the hospital system and was also trained in rape crisis counseling. But thanks for your insight.
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You’d make me laugh except your stridency scares the bejeesus out of me.
Interesting that you decided to be nasty to Kerri, but not to other commenters.
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Guys, Fat Heffalump cannot be reasoned with, I tried it previously on another post and got nowhere.
As per her suggestion above, I had a look at her blog last night. I thought perhaps she has something insightful to say and I am just misunderstanding the way she expresses herself. Instead I found the things she writes so disturbing that I had nightmares about it last night (I kid you not) and now feel really weird that I read it. It should come with some kind of a warning.
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Really? What did you find disturbing, just out of curiosity not anything else.
I read her blog often, and I think she gets on her soapbox abit and can get very aggro about things, which annoys me, but I somewhat agree with her general message about ‘health at any size’.
I do feel for her – she has people randomly take photos of her on the street and use them as examples of the ‘obesity crisis’ – that must be awful.
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Hi whippersnapper, I found it all very sad and disturbing. Her hardcore angry intolerant approach, the fact that she is promoting obesity as being cool and healthy, but most of all she sounds so bitter and angry (and if she’s been bullied like you say then I can understand why she would be) and instead of seeking help she takes this approach.
We’re way off topic here so I don’t want to go into too much detail but I just found her extreme approach to be quite scary, and as a health care worker, I am worried about vulnerable obese people reading her blog and thinking this is the kind of attitude they should develop and this is the way to deal with obesity.
Also, I completely disagree with the notion that you can be healthy at any size. Don’t get me wrong, I am not some kind of a nutcase who thinks everyone over a size 10 is unhealthy but you can’t be healthy at size 24, and claiming otherwise is just ridiculous. If we are going to ignore all scientific evidence then we may as well claim that smoking is good for us and solarium doesn’t do our skin any damage etc. I’m
sure you can see how silly that would be.
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Great article. But I’m uncomfortable with the term ‘accidental rape.’ This situation wasn’t rape, accidental or otherwise, it was two people having sex with one of them not wanting to, but going along with it for fear of hurting the others feelings. I can understand why Hugo felt so awful after but he really did nothing wrong, he’s not a mindreader.
The bigger issue here is that there are some women who are afraid to communicate with their partner, and I do think we still have a long way in educating women about sex and relationships.
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My initial impression after reading this article: It’s a real pleasure to read such a beautifully written piece on a subject so complex. This is the kind of writing I’d like to see more – articulate, engaging writing which addresses a controversial topic with sensitivity, rather than sensationalism.
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I think headlining this article ‘accidental rape’ was pretty sensational.
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Perhaps the headline was simply highlighting the *potential* for rape to occur accidently in situations such as these. The author seems to be using the insights he gleaned from his experience to allude to the enormous grey area between clear and enthusiastic consent and a resounding “no” – an area where “accidental rape” is a definite possibility.
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Sexual violence (ie. r***) is about control, domination & violence. It is not about sex. It’s not about love or passion or miscommunication. Using this word in such a blasé manner is not really appropriate & just seems to me like a controversial headline for the fun of it…Sad you felt the need to stoop so low Mamamia.
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The idea that what is described above is some form of rape isn’t new. I’ve read literally hundreds of posts on feminist blogs and websites discussing the issue of consent. Some people feel that anything less than an explicit yes makes it rape, and some feel that even then, if it’s not an honest yes or the person changes their mind yet doesn’t say anything, it’s still rape. I completely disagree with this view, but just wanted to point out that neither Mamamia nor Hugo are the first use the word rape when describing a situation like this.
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Which just goes to show how ridiculous some of these feminist writers are. The word rape should not have been used in this scenario, I don’t understand why his mind would even go there. This was not rape by any stretch of the imagination and referring to it as that is an insult to women who have been raped (in the true sense of the word).
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I totally understand this! In my twenties I was with someone who constantly pushed and pushed for sex even when I said no. I never considered it rape because except for one occasion, in the end I just gave in and let him do it. He should have just accepted that no was no, and I should have been a lot more assertive and confident in my right to say “get off me!”
These occasions were not rape, but I did always feel crappy after it happened. Mainly because I was disappointed in myself for not being more forceful in letting him know I really didn’t want to do it.
It was much more about me and my lack of confidence rather than about him not being a mind reader. He did of course end up an arsehole of monumental proportions, but I am pretty sure he still isn’t a mind reader.
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When I read articles like this I’m always provoked to think about how it should affect my parenting.
I guess the message for me with this article is that I need to keep reinforcing to my children that:
*it’s okay to have a strong opinion about how you want your body to be treated,
*that opinion will be different in different situations,
*that you need to express that opinion very clearly!
Something I work on with the kids is asking for what you want, not vaguely whining about how you feel. They’ll often come to me and say “I’m hungry” or “I’m thirsty” or “I’m hot”. I’ve tried to teach them to be direct and ask for what they need instead (eg ‘Can I have an apple’, ‘Can I get a drink’, ‘Can you help me take my jumper off’).
I’m now thinking that this strategy will help in the long run… that instead of trying to give someone a clue about what might be wrong, my kids will learn to directly ask for their needs to be met.
And of course, the opposite is true when thinking about how to ensure other people’s needs aren’t violated … I guess that’ll involve teaching them how to listen to what people say, but to pay attention to non-verbal clues? Not as simple, but definitely doable!
Thanks for the article, MM team
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Thank you for that idea on asking for what you need rather than whining. I’ve always found that whining, not just by children, quite annoying and have often been heard to remark “So?” when someone tells me they’re hungry/thirsty/bored/etc. Which is what my mother always did to me “Muuum, I’m hungry” “So?” but that didn’t teach me anything about communication, just that if I wanted something I had to get it myself.
I don’t have my own children but when I do, I’d like to borrow your idea. Communication is very important as well as self reliance.
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That’s Brilliant, thankyou for sharing your ideas on teaching your children how to be assertive. I will be adopting this approach with my 2 girls!
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Me too! Thank you!
I have a whining child right here right now as it happens…
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You Always Rule, Sometimes Karen.
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Heh heh… I shall have that printed on a t-shirt
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i’ve always taught my 4y/o about ‘statements of need’, ie: i’m hungry etc. all i have to say now is ‘that’s a statement!’ and she’ll come back with the appropriate question including manners.
i can still remember my primary school teacher mother saying the same thing to me at a similar age
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Same here, when my girls complain they are hungry, thirsty, etc, I most often respond with, “what would you like me to do about it” so they then have to ask for what they require rather than jumping up to take care of a vague whine. They need to think about what they require and ask for it.
The other thing that I think is important is to teach them to say no, this helps in all situations in life, how many times have you been roped into doing something that you don’t really want to do just because you can’t say no. No is a very valuable lesson, no doesn’t mean maybe later or if you keep asking I will give in, no means no and that is the end of it. I like to believe that I am helping them learn that they can and should say no if they don’t want to do something and shouldn’t feel guilty for it.
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This reminds me of those weird conversations where men want to know the precise line between what is and is not rape, and I’m left thinking, “Do you really want to be the borderline rapist?” There are a lot of things that aren’t technically illegal that still suck, and most people want to avoid…I hope.
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I think when there is a relationship, there is nothing wrong with sex that isn’t mutually enthusiastically concentual. That might sound shithouse, but hear me out. My wife and I have four kids, we love each other and we both agree we should have sex more often but frankly, if we waited for both of us to be in the mood, we’d never – ever – have sex.
There are rules, of course. For starters, we’ve discussed and agreed on a ‘if one of us wants it, we’re having it’. In other words, we’ve consented to sex with each other even if it isn’t enthusiastic (to begin with – if it’s not there beforehand enthusiasm usually makes a late but welcome entrance).
There are other rules – I’m not allowed to shake my wife awake at 2am and say “I’ve got a hard-on and a great idea darling!”, I’ve got to make my intentions clear (and there’s plenty of yellow light to green negotiation) at the appropriate time.
Sex is important to individuals. If you’re in a relationship, it’s a bit idealistic to believe every time is going to be teenagers-against-the-wall mind blowing enthusiastic stuff. Some of it is going to be so-so. And some of it is going to be for the benefit of the relationship. Because relationships are more than the sum of the individual needs of two people.
I’ve read some blogs that suggest that no-means-no is inadequate and that the message should be yes-mean-yes and anything else is rape, which would make the successful orange to green light negotiations rape. I disagree with that stance (and it’s where I thought the article with that headline was going, but luckily, it did not).
No means no. Everything else is a negotiation. That’s some of the fun.
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Your arrangement with your wife sounds mutually consensual to me as you have both discussed the “rules” and come to an agreement.
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Oh I agree. It was more around Hugo’s goal of every time being not just consental, but super enthusiastic as well as consental.
Real life and ideals clash, and this is how my wife and I have chosen to deal with real life.
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I agree with this completely. New relationships are different but you can’t always expect enthusiasm in established relationships. I know two many women who say they don’t particularly like having sex. They use it as a bargaining tool with their partners. In my experience though the more you have the more you wan’t. Many women don’t get spontaneously aroused. So if either member of a couple can’t bring themselves to be intimate regularly… and one or both are not OK with this then clearly it is time to move on.
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There is truth in the words “The only time you can rely on a man is first thing in the morning”
But to your point, the other option is an open relationship, right? But that’s probably another article LOL.
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I think you’ve nailed the situation with busy adults who understand the importance of making sex a priority in their lives, but recognise that sometimes it takes their partner’s enthusiasm to ‘stoke the fire’.
And maybe this is a distinction that comes with age and maturity of relationship. Certainly as a woman in her forties I have a much clearer understanding of when I don’t want sex, and when I know that enthusiasm & encouragement from my partner will result in a mutually satisfying experience.
Whether this ‘wisdom’ can be gained earlier in life is interesting to explore. Hopefully by raising confident, independent, sensitive and respectful children of both genders we can contribute to them experiencing the kind of loving & mutually satisfying relationships that you and I are fortunate enough to enjoy.
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Hey Sue – are we friends now?
I like SometimesKaren’s thoughts a few comments up.
I’ve got three daughters and a son, so I agree with your comments.
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Idle Dad, I think you’re confusing some other Sue with me (from yesterday’s news thread).
. I agree with every word!
And yes, based on your response here we can be friends
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I remember watching an episode of Scrubs where the married couple who were also new parents were discussing if they should sleep or have sex. He wanted sex and she wanted to sleep, so she told him ‘ do what you have to do, just don’t wake me.” I laughed to hard. How true sometimes.
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My husband tells me that I can wake him anytime, but as a mother of 4 and shift worker, I couldn’t bring myself to it, even if I was in the mood at 2am. I think of sleep as far too precious and not to be disturbed.
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” I’m not allowed to shake my wife awake at 2am and say “I’ve got a hard-on and a great idea darling!”, brilliant! I laughed so hard at that.
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I find the use of the word ‘rape’ in this context offensive, I’m not a rape victim but I imagine it to be offensive in the same way as a depression sufferer I get annoyed when someone has a bad day and goes ‘omg, I’m so depressed’. No you’re not, and no, you didn’t rape your girlfriend, ‘accidentally’, or in any other way.
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I talked about this a lot with friends because of the Julian Assange case. It was interesting that the male friends I talked to had experienced this more. The girls had no trouble saying no to guys they weren’t interested in and this was more an issue with boyfriends, but the guys were worried about offending women they didn’t like one bit and didn’t know how to stop a woman who was all over them and wouldn’t quit, without being aggressive. No one thought it was in any way comparable to rape though. For the girls, we all made a choice not to say no, to continue and have sex and we all had no doubt things would have stopped if we had said something, anything. On the guys side, none felt it was rape, but some did speak up and were ignored, so I do think that’s a grey area, though as I said, none of them feel that way.
In my situation, I see it as entirely my problem. How was the guy supposed to know what was going on in my head? I was participating, I didn’t say or do anything that would make him think I didn’t want to, and I was fine with him afterwards. If it’s a long term relationship people get better at reading each other, but you have to say the words if it’s a casual encounter or early in the relationship. You might think your being cold or distant and they’ll get the message, but everyone’s different. One person’s cold is another’s passionate.
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What an eloquent, brilliantly written article! I’ve definitely been in situations before. When I was 19 I dated a guy who lived an hour and a half drive away, I always felt pressure to have sex seeing as he’d driven so far just to see me – he was a lovely man and I think he would be utterly horrified if he knew I wasn’t totally into it. I wish I’d known how to properly express myself! It makes me think of Sam De Brito’s comment on MM Sky News episode about the need for ‘relationship education’ with sex education in schools.
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I agree- beautiful & sensitive. Lesson learnt: talk more before you jump into bed! :/
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I think using the word rape in this context is extreme and possibly detrimental in it’s self. From what I read in the description this is a case of misscommunication. Do you think perhaps your friend had finally got the courage to tell you how she was feeling in hopes that it would change the relationship not end it.
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What a ridiculous headline – and the article isn’t far off either. I once thought of my mum during sex – does that make it incest?
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Nope but that definitely makes it weird..
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I don’t really understand this. If you don’t want sex say no. If you can’t say no remove yourself from the situation. Get off the bed put your clothes on.
You can’t blame men for not reading your ‘signals’. My husband doesn’t even get the ‘signals’ I give when I want sex! I’ve taken to just saying ‘lets have sex tonight’. If I don’t want sex I say so. I’ve never found that difficult.
We’ve spent years crying out that ‘no means no’. Now we’re also supposed to say that not saying yes can mean no, even if we’re participating and receptive but maybe not overly enthusiastic? Too confusing.
We should be teaching our girls to be CLEAR about their consent. Say yes when you mean yes. Say no when you mean no. And its ok to say no, even when you’ve said yes before. Teach our boys to respect this and not to push.
Speak up ladies!
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Applying your personality to every situtation will not work.
I speak from experience when I say that it’s not always easy to tell someone you love that you don’t want to have sex, for fear of hurting their feelings. On top of this, not all situations will have a clear ‘yes’ or ‘no’ answer. When you love someone, you want to show that. You may only feel like fooling around and kissing, but, like Hugo says in his article, trying to express this can be hard. And it can kill the mood.
While I agree with you that we do need to be clearer with our consent, simply telling people to do so is easier said than done. We need to be focusing on helping encourage communication about sex.
And I don’t believe that we should be simply educating females. What about males? We should be teaching them the same things about consent.
It’s easy tell people ‘say no when you mean no!’ when you’ve been in a relationship with someone for years. Not so easy when you’re still in the first year or so of a relationship. *raises hand*
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If you are having sex with someone because you don’t want to hurt their feelings, that’s your issue. You have consented because you don’t want to say no. In a relationship that is not abusive or manipulative you have made that choice that you would rather have sex with them than hurt their feelings. Don’t call it rape, accidental or otherwise.
I did also say that we need to teach boys about consent.
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Did I say rape? I wouldn’t call it rape, the article did. Hugo states in the article that it’s not rape, but to be to told something like this by someone you love, it’s understandable that he would feel like he’d done something wrong. He hadn’t.
What I’m saying is, those lines can absolutely be blurred. We shouldn’t talk about consent in black and white terms, when every situation is completely unique. This is why communication is the key.
I’m also saying that males should be taught consent from both sides -they should be making their consent clear, as well as making sure the other person is clear about whether or not they want to have sex. The same should be taught to females.
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I agree with most of what your saying here. The part that I don’t understand is where you say that consent shouldn’t be talked about in black and white terms. I understand that desire and decisions to have sex can be blurry and unclear at times. But in my mind you there is still usually a point where you decide yes or no. You decide to go along with it although you’re not totally into it or you decide not to.
I’m not sure if I’m being clear with what I’m trying to express here!
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I guess when you say ‘you decide to go along with it although you’re not really into it’ is what I’m talking about. That’s the blurred part. The other person may read this as ‘yes’, when really it could mean, ‘I don’t really want to, but if you do, okay’.
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“I guess when you say ‘you decide to go along with it although you’re not really into it’ is what I’m talking about. That’s the blurred part. The other person may read this as ‘yes’, when really it could mean, ‘I don’t really want to, but if you do, okay’.”
I see this as a yes. It might be a yes for the wrong reasons, but it’s still a yes. If yes isn’t black and white, then neither is no. I’ve said no when I really, really wanted to say yes. Sex is full of ‘blurriness’, that’s why it’s important to treat yes and no as black and white.
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Agree Meg.
I don’t think women are entirely responsible for communication errors … men need to communicate clearly too.
I think there is an extra dimension for women also in that they are socialised to care and provide for others and this can make saying no more difficult for them than for men. It’s not just about having strength of character to say no but also about women feeling that they can care about themselves as much as they care about other’s feelings and say no if they really feel “no, not this time”.
I once had a partner who said, early in the relationship, that he thought I would probably feel that I had to “put out” because women feel it is important to care others … well, just acknowledging that led to all sorts of conversations and other stuff.
If men and women could recognise and acknowledge the different concerns of men and women about sex, the conversations might be really liberating for both.
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There needs to be better education on so many of life’s confusing situations. How to interact with the opposite sex respectfully, how to navigate sexual situations with successful communication, how to manage money, body image,sexual equality.. so many issues and tricky problems that we just blunder through without good training to prepare us.
The world would be a better place if we learned a little bit more about how to live in it well.
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I could relate to a lot of this. Trouble for us was when I found my voice to say ‘no’ we were married with a couple of kids. We started as a couple with a typical pretty much always up for it mojo which continued right up until I fell pregnant. And then in the next few years in the blur of pregnancy, newborn, toddler, another pregnancy etc. somehow things shifted. I was no longer willing to just ‘go along with it’ anymore and on the occasions I did it was awful for both of us. I resented my poor husband for wanting sex and not understanding why I didn’t, and he felt awful for wanting sex but not having the first clue why I didn’t.
It was a bit of a struggle for us both to articulate what was going on and to try and see things from each others point of view. Ultimately though it came down to the love we had and the desire to make each other happy and we worked through it. It was tough though and I’m still not sure if he fully understands why I can’t just push through that orange light barrier, but I think that’s just a case of us being wired differently
Great article.
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I think you just described my situation exactly.
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My fiance did the same to me on the weekend after she had a few to drink. Works both ways as well. As someone said below it is getting ridiculous no all this PC rubbish. Accidental Rape. Lol.
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This is a really compelling piece, thanks for posting it. While I was reading it, I was thinking about how we have to teach small children everything about how to communicate effectively – how to express themselves and how to listen. That was something I really didn’t think about or understand before I had kids, and I’m always in awe of how our lovely pre-school Director does it.
I guess we need to remember that teenagers need this too. They have a whole new world of stuff and pressures to communicate about. Maybe the tools are not so different, but its a totally new context, with an awful lot of ‘noise’ around it.
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That’s exactly what I was thinking! How do I teach my girls how to communicate their real feelings, how to ensure they are assertive, and feel safe and confident enough to deliver bad news to someone they love or admire? Whew, what a minefield!
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I don’t want to seem insensitive here or hurt anyone’s feelings, but… I think we are getting to the point of ridiculous here. Accidental rape? I definately have regrets about a few sexual experiences i had back in my late teens early 20′s but I can hardly blame the guys I slept with, poor buggers were probably just as unsure about their place in the world and trying to navigate the whole sex and relationships thing.
The whole female population can feel free to attack me on this one, but I think that as women we can talk and talk and talk but can be really crap communicators. Life isn’t a mills and boon novel. If we don’t know what we want how are the guys supposed too?
I am part of a family of mostly boys and have many male friends. I have seen their anxiety, tears and sometimes depression from trying to deal with women who don’t know what they want but think its fine to play with a guys head. And we wonder why males in this country have the highest suicide rate. It’s because we don’t guide them or be honest with them yet blame them for everything.
Sorry got off topic. Vent over. Sigh.
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I understood the phrase ‘accidental rape’ to be a reflection of just how awful Hugo felt when he realised how Katie had been feeling. To me, your point is very similar: its a bad thing – for men and women – when that happens.
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I understand the point of the article, and the term conveying it was how the author felt at the time, but I must say I’m not really comfortable with the term accidental rape, and I think it has the capacity to demean rape as a whole.
People choose to have sex, or choose to not have it. Not being in the mood and doing it anyway doesn’t mean you’ve been raped, or even close to it. It just means you chose to do something that you weren’t really feeling like doing.
It isn’t a man’s place to determine through reading of body language or psychic powers my level of consent. It is MY place as a participating partner to determine he knows what I want.
People who complain about being pressured into consensual sex irritate me. You make your own decisions, and your own compromises, often based on what’s the ‘easiest’ path. Don’t try and attribute blame for your weakness of character to the other consenting partner.
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Very insightful and thought provoking article. I remember quite clearly in my early 20′s where on numerous occasions it was just easier to have sex and get it over and done with rather than being called a ‘cock tease’. There were times where i felt like i just couldn’t say no. I guess i wasn’t as confident or assertive back then as i am now. Definitely something to discuss with my girls when they get older.
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Really enjoyed this piece.
Are people finally going to look closely at the complexity of the consent issue of sex for men and women? Not saying there are not genuine cases where rape occurs because there most definitely are.
I really hope there is much more of this to come.
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Oh my goodness. This happened to me for YEARS. With my ex-boyfriend. At least a few times every week. And I never really had the words to explain it to him. I wish I had read this article back then. Or better yet, had him read it!
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Me too! God it was so rushed for me that it was painfull for me but I didn’t have the words to tell him. I wish I’d read this article back then too…..
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What an incredible article. Thank you so much for writing about something so common, so complex, and so important. These shades of grey are so worth exploring. I will talk to my boyfriend about this article as soon as I get home.
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Wow this article made me realise something similar had happened to me. My gf was friends with this guy Steve and after a big night we went back to his place. For some reason I ended up sleeping in his bed while my gf slept in another room. We hadn’t made out or anything but while I was trying to sleep he kept trying to pull the moves. Turn a red light into a green. Well, it worked. I just wanted to get to sleep and the only way how was to say yes! I was embarrassed after and the next time I saw him I avoided him. Wow. I never thought of it in the traffic light way.
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