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Emily

 

 

 

 

If you didn’t already know, my husband and I struggled to conceive our now beautiful baby girl Millie Valentine. During the time I was trying (desperately) to conceive I was challenged often by people who told me to prepare for a life without children and that that life wouldn’t  be so bad because kids are not all they’re cracked up to be.

Look, I get that infertility is an uncomfortable topic. In fact I discovered that being infertile and having depression are very similar – none make you the life of the party. But with depression no-one at the party would dare tell you how to get over it or deal with it; they leave that to the professionals. With infertility everyone is an expert.

It starts with, ‘So when are you going to have kids?’’ and ‘Have you started trying yet?’’

I answer with, “Um yes, as soon as possible”’

That’s generally not enough so it moves onto ‘Ooooh exciting…when, how, how long?’’

When I told them the answer the conversation immediately moved onto

Have you tried…..

Acupuncture? Temperature taking? Having sex? Naturopaths?  Diets? Relaxing? Reading this book? Getting massages? Doing handstands?  Going into big debt? Trying another partner or having sex with me going on a holiday and drinking cranberry juice?

The answer was mostly YES I HAVE. And taken a holiday and drunk cranberry juice? Are you serious?  I’m infertile not suffering a bladder infection! I would eat an elephant’s eye if you told me someone’s mother’s, sister’s, aunt’s, cousin’s, daughter got pregnant doing the same. In fact I’d have eaten TWO!

But once I openly shared my struggle (via my blog) – and I would advise any other couple going through the same to do the same — I stopped getting the awkward annoying questions and suggestions because people already knew. Instead people began to ask the only thing you can ask to support a couple who can’t have what their heart deeply desires and that is this.

How is it going? Where are you up too?

And then, they’d actually wait for our answer. Because as uncomfortable as the topic is, inconceivable folk listen to you talk about your pregnancy gas, stretchmarks, sleepless nights, cravings and bloating. We also listen to you moan about 2 am wakeup  calls, supermarket tantrums, lack of sleep, lack of time, lack of intimacy and  we love it, because we can’t wait to experience the same.

Crazy huh!

I’m so glad I didn’t give up and here’s why.

When I was a kid all I wanted was a pair of roller-skates but my parents didn’t have a lot of money and by the time I got my fancy white pair with the rainbows stitched on the side that craze had passed. On Christmas morning while I was opening my skates, all my other girl cousins got Cabbage Patch dolls. Hours later while my cousins stayed inside with their new Cabbage Patch dolls dressing them and re-dressing them, pushing them around in their strollers, feeding them bottles and pretending to burp them I was skating around all on my own, with no-one to race down the hills with, or practice figure eights, or hold my hand over a bumpy footpath. It was still kind of fun, but lonely, and I felt like I was missing out on something special.

Twenty-five years later I felt the same when my friends were all burping their living breathing Cabbage patch dolls and I was back to skating around the edges on my own.

But there was a happy ending. The next year for my birthday my Nana bought me a blonde haired blue eyed Cabbage patch doll and I named her Lucy-Claire and although I was a little late to the craze I was welcomed with open arms to the make-believe dolly tea parties and it was as fun and as magical as I had hoped it would be.

And 27 years later, the feeling is exactly the same with the real deal.

Emily Jade O’Keefe is Queensland’s favourite blogger.  She was also a regular reporter for Channel 9 on Kerri-Anne and is part of the new Mornings line-up.  Visit her blog here.

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157 Comments so far

  1. Rachel

    It’s so true! I had a car accident, can’t fall pregnant due to injuries and we found out my fertility is low! Its heart wrenching discovering someone else is pregnant, that’s all I want! It’s not fair and it’s so nice to read something where people understand me! Thankyou I’ll be reading your blog frequently!

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  2. JC

    We have a couple in our group of friends who has been trying to years to fall pregnant, and meanwhile everyone else around them is falling pregnant and having babies.

    The other day, one of my pregnant gfs said that she should ‘suck it up’ because it makes her ‘uncomfortable’ that she is a bit sad when we see her sometimes.

    I don’t know how to put into writing how this made me feel, but i think that as a friend, i KNOW that my gf will be happy for me when i announce our pregnancy (in JUST 4 weeks- yay!). I also know that she will probably have trouble showing that she is happy for us, because she will also be insanely jealous, and it will really upset her. And you know what, that is ok by me.

    Yes some will say it will be ‘my’ moment, and that she SHOULD be over the moon for me, but my biggest concern is her hurt, and her pain, that I am inflicting on her. She is my friend, and I dont want to see her feel that way.

    I hate to hear all of these people that get upset over their friends and family not being ‘happy enough’ when they announce their pregnancies. Yes it would upset me if my sister/bestfriend ran to the bathroom in tears when i told her, but then the first thought in my head would be ‘how can i make her feel better’, not ‘what a bitch’. I am not in any way saying that she should act this way, but personally, i think having a tantrum about missing out on ‘my moment’ would make me just as bad.

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  3. Kate.

    i quote: In fact I discovered that being infertile and having depression are very similar – none make you the life of the party. But with depression no-one at the party would dare tell you how to get over it or deal with it; they leave that to the professionals. With infertility everyone is an expert.

    You’re so very wrong on that point, please do not lump everything together and make it into a ‘this is worse’ scenario. You’ve clearly not ever struggled truly with depression, because yes, people in fact do tell you everything under the sun that they’ve heard will magicaly ‘cure you’…

    Otherwise i appreciate your article and am glad youb have indeed had a baby after all the publicity that surrounded your ‘trying too’.

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    • Emily Jade

      Thanks, sorry if I offended with my quote. I have a few family members and close friends with various forms of serious depression and I guess from being around them I made an assumption on all people. I’d never dare give anyone advice on how to fix it because I’m not a doctor (and in some cases even doctors can’t seem to fix it) x

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  4. Anon

    Recently at a party I was having a conversation with a couple I had just met. They asked if I had children “Yes I do, two boys. Do you have any children?” I wasn’t really interested but just returning the question as it seemed a natural progression in conversation. They then went on to tell me all about their failed IVF attempts. I wasn’t sure what to say. I thought it odd that nowadays it is quite the norm to tell people (that you have only met) all about your fertility issues.

    I guess after reading your article…it goes both ways.

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  5. Jodie

    Infertility struggles are the hardest thing I have been through. It took me 7 years to have two beautiful children and yes, the whole struggle was definitely an ordeal, and definitely worth it. The only thing that would have helped me was a ‘crystal ball’ where I could see into the future and just know the outcome at the beginning. I would have gladly gone through all physical aspects of our struggle to create our family but it was the emotional part that really takes its toll. It is such a constant rollercoaster of emotions that never seemed to abate. My advice is to find a good counsellor (I never found one) and deal with the grief that can come from years of infertility. Every month when you have your period again you go through a grieving process to certain extent. It is trying to deal with all these emotions that is the hard part. And to do all this while trying to keep your marriage intact. Here’s my advice (just in case you wanted anymore), infertility is something you may struggle through but don’t let it define you. Don’t let your infertility wear you down and change the person you are. Use your own personal struggle to make you a stronger person for it. God knows you’ll need this strength when your children finally do come along.

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    • Emily Jade

      Such great advice, thanks xo

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    • gypsy

      Love this comment. I often think how wonderful it would be to have a crystal ball. If only I knew I would eventually get the outcome I want I would be so much better at handling the journey – but I guess that’s not the point of life is it? Stories like yours remind me to keep going and not give up. Whenever I get my period I buy a new dress. Absolutely insanely superficial behaviour, I call it my period party dress. I can’t wait until the time that the only dresses I’m buying are maternity ones.

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  6. Faraday

    Ok,I’m taking a deep breath. I want to say I’m sorry so many of you are suffering from difficulties with conceiving and fertility. I too have low AMH- so whilst I’m not in the same boat as some of you- I do get it. But I would like to say one thing- having a child isn’t a right. I’m sorry, it really isn’t. It is a privilege and a blessing that many people enjoy. If people are able to conceive naturally- well that is lucky for them… but having now had time to consider the options- my partner and I are going natural or bust. But that is our choice- and others will make their own choices.

    If I can’t conceive, then I’ll move on. There are lots of things in my life I want to do and be- a mum is only one of them.

    And as for these nut cases who lose their minds every time someone announces they are pregnant- my advice to them, is GET A GRIP. Your friend getting pregnant doesn’t mean you won’t- it isn’t an ‘either/or’ proposition. What sort of a selfish person can’t be happy for someone else? Their pregnancy doesn’t mean you get pushed back down some imaginary queue.

    Having seen people behave this way infuriates me.

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    • Anon

      Nutcase?

      Charming.

      Thanks for the sympathy.

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      • Kate.

        Sorry, but i agree here… there ARE some nutcases out there – and your response there justifies her comment more than you know.

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    • Anonymous

      I agree with the ‘nutcase’ tag.

      When I announced my pregnancy on my birthday to family and close friends, my sister jumped up from the table and rushed to the bathroom where she spent the next hour or so crying, with various people going in to comfort her! Unbeknownst to me, she had been trying to conceive for the same amount of time…. 6 months!!! It really and truly took the shine off what should have been my moment – suddenly, it was all about her and it was very uncomfortable. I love her but she was temporarily a ‘nutcase’!

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    • Nutcases? Really

      I work in IVF, most of my patients are ‘nutcases’ and rightfully so. They are all young fit and healthy and suffering from the pressure from family and friends constatly asking ‘why haven’t you fallen pregnant yet’. It may be cultural or it may not be, but wanting something that comes so easily to others and should come so easily to you also but does’t, and going through the pressure of IVF or even ovulation induction, waiting, wanting, praying and spending (hey, IVF is not cheap by any means) does not mean that they automatically qualify to be fitted for a nice white jacket that does up at the back.

      maybe people should learn to mind their own business? or instead of judging they should try be supportive. We have counselling services here and they do a great job offering support when these couples can’t get it elsewhere.

      i myself do not have children, I don’t even know if I want them, but I will not judge those who desperatly want to be parents.

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    • Natalia

      Let’s all remember to please stay respectful of each other’s opinions and experiences.

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  7. Anon

    As a childless married female in her early thirties surrounded by pregnant friends or friends with children what annoys me the most is that people assume that if IVF doesn’t work adoption and surrogacy are the next options…..My current response is “Sorry last time I checked I wasnt Angelina Jolie it’s not that simple” adoption in Australia is difficult, adoption from overseas is not only difficult but time consuming and expensive. Surrogacy isn’t a simple and easy solution either……

    I don’t know exactly what I’m trying to say without rambling but think before you speak to anyone going through fertitlity issues, yes they have looked at every avenue so offer your love and support but keep the judgements away

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  8. Anon

    “But with depression no-one at the party would dare tell you how to get over it or deal with it; they leave that to the professionals”

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

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    • Kate.

      THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU.

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  9. Simone

    I think people are trying to be comforting by offering ‘hope’ with the stories and suggestions they provide. I tend to keep it to myself so I don’t have to hear it, even though I know it’s coming from the right place. That being said, I find I am then judged as selfish for only having 1 child (conceived through IVF) as people think this is by choice, not knowing the numerous attempts we’ve been through to try and give our daughter a sibling. Or if I tell them, I get “you’re lucky to have your daughter”. I get that and I’m forever grateful to have her in my life but I would hardly call it “lucky” in comparison to the fertile population. Congrats on your healthy baby girl Emily-Jade!

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  10. Anon

    The question I’d like to ask is ‘why are so many healthy young couples having difficulty conceiving?’

    I’m in my 50′s and I’ve only come across two women in my age group who had problems. One never had children of her own (but became a foster parent) and the other had one baby and was unable to conceive again.
    This was, of course, all before IVF was a reality.

    And yet, among my daughter’s friends and work colleagues (early 30′s) there are a dozen odd girls undergoing IVF or in the process of investigation.

    I’m interested to know if there’s a statistical increase in infertility?

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    • 27andinfertile

      I’ve also wondered about this. There seem to be a lot of people on IVF treatments. It must of been very hard to be infertile during the times of no IVF.

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      • Anon

        A thousand answers to this question, but I’ll throw a few of my opinions in.

        Thirty years ago IVF was in its infancy (bad pun), was horrifically expensive and very, very intrusive, with (I believe, but don’t know for sure) less than stellar success rates.

        Mr and Mrs Average may have just not been able to go through with it. Or one cycle may have been all that they could do.

        Today, it’s so much easier (medically I mean, the stress probably is every bit as bad) and more successful.

        There’s also much less stigma. Which can be a good or a bad thing, I guess – it seems to be almost trendy atm.

        My two rugrats were both IVF and for a long, long time we looked down the barrel of no children at all. It took me ten years to get to a point where I could face a future without children, and then we were very, very blessed with our first child.

        There’s a whole lot of situtations out there (depression, miscarriage, death of a partner for example) that you just can’t imagine unless you’re going through them. Infertility is one of those.

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      • afd

        I wonder about this. When we were first married, for some reason, my husband had a hunch (as it happens, completely unfounded) that he/we would have fertility issues (i.e. he’d thought/worried he’d be infertile ever since adolescence! don’t really know why…), so we did talk in theory about what we’d do. We had at least a theoretical agreement that we probably wouldn’t go the IVF route. We simply felt we couldn’t justify the expense, as we’re both convinced (personally, not trying to tell anyone else what to do!) that fertility / parenthood is not a right, but a gift. Because of this, we felt we should accept whatever happened, or didn’t.

        Of course, I don’t know how we would’ve felt if we’d actually had fertility problems, so we can’t really talk. But this has me wondering… would we have been misunderstood / constantly explaining ourselves, if we had faced infertility and not had IVF? *This* difficulty would *not* have been an issue for infertile couples in the days before IVF. Can’t help wondering…

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    • Lizette

      Perhaps one factor is the increased age at which women start trying for their first child these days. Advanced maternal age and fertility issues are correlated- so that might be one explanation for why not as many women experienced infertility back in the 80′s.

      From the Australian Bureau of Statistics
      “In 1979, for example, just over three-quarters of births were to women aged under 30 years. By 1999, just over half (52%) of births were to women aged under 30 years, and in 2009, the proportion had fallen to 46%. However, between 1999 and 2009, it is apparent that there has been little change in the fertility rates of women aged 15-29 years, but there have been significant increases in the rates for those aged in their 30s.”

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  11. rose123

    We had trouble conceiving. Not infertility, but a long, long time trying. Then I tried something new and we were pregnant. so when i tell others I think “xyz” was what helped us, im not claiming to be a fertility expert. if one other family can benefit from what we know, surely that is a great win.
    Remember, people only know as much as you tell them, so its not fair to be offended at their advice if you havent told them the extent of the situation. Please don’t accuse well meaning friends of being ignorant if you havent tried to educate them.

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  12. Hayley

    I would genuinely like to know how “infertility” is being defined here. My husband and I are infertile. This means we are unable to do IVF we dont have the ingrediants so CANNOT conceive a baby with medical help. This is what I define as infertile. I cannot imagine how difficult the IVF process is and I have many friends who have gone down that path and it seems to be me to be a very hard one. However, I will never be pregnant. Ever. That is infertility.

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    • 27andinfertile

      As I understand it, a person who has been TTC for over 12 months is classed as infertile (in the medical world). I class myself as infertile. I can get pregnant but it won’t be my biological child.

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  13. Ness73

    I think the problem with unsolicited advice from ‘fertiles’ is that they really don’t have any idea. I know, because that used to be me. When I got married, I was planning to be pregnant on our honeymoon, popping out the next baby very soon afterwards and so on. Imagine my disbelief that something I had expected to just happen would take 4 years and 6 transfers! In that time 20 (yes, 2-0 ) of my friends and family fell pregnant, including my sister, my best friend and a couple who can trace conception back to our wedding!
    So what I am saying is, yeah, people say dumb things – because they don’t know any better. I had no idea about fertility treatment before I started it – I had never thought about it. Unless it is you or a close (and open) friend/family member going through it, how would you know? Once you do mention it, people are going to give advice, it is human nature. If I mention a cake I made sank in the middle, people are going to give advice on what to do/not to do to fix the problem. That is just the way we are.
    I was pretty open about our experience and am probably 98% glad I was. I feel I have educated a good number of friends, family and workmates – and they now know what not to say and how to help. On the other hand it was hard to be asked if a transfer had worked…
    Anyway, I don’t think people ask or give advice to be malicious – they are curious about you and your life. Our perception/emotions are what colours it. And it made it easier for me to keep that in mind if anyone made an off comment or said something that I took the wrong way.

    I wish those of you still on your journey the best of luck xx

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  14. Vanessa

    I will always remember the advice of our IVF doctor when we started treatment..”Never lose sight of what you have (each other/relationship) for what you want (baby)”
    This is so hard to follow when you are actively in infertility and the baby becomes your focus…but as he said you need to still be together when you become a family…so so true.
    With much joy we had boy/girl twins almost 11yrs ago and still look at each other and say ‘can you believe we got so lucky?’ We never forget how blessed we are and while the pain diminishes, those feelings of hopelessness and heartache of failed cycles never leaves you. If I hear of a story of infertility I’m instantly transported back…and never ask someone if they have children if I don’t know them…
    But I remember all those questions at parties, at work.by family etc…I’m a nurse but by the time the 9th babyshower happened on the ward i resigned- just couldn’t stand the pain and crying in the pan room! My best friend got pregnant , then the biggest shock, my 44 yr old aunty got accidently pg to her boyfriend…not that i wasn’t happy for these people- I was- but it just highlighted my pain and how hard it was for me to achieve what is so simple to most. (Luckily our twins were 3 when our 17 yr old niece got pg on her first time- I handled that so much better now I was already a mother!)
    I thought IVF would live with me forever, but once they start school you become ‘just a mum’ not an ‘IVF mum’…I liked that. But our twins know their special story and are amazed by it :)
    Good luck to all that are on this journey- hope your dream comes true and if your relationship can survive this challenge then you know your partner is a keeper :)

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    • neola

      I love your comment so much. So important to keep your relationship healthy when going through the infertility diagnosis, the IVF, the waiting and everything else…and I love the idea that one day I can just be a ‘mum’ and not an ‘IVF mum’.

      Fingers crossed…so happy for you that you have your twins x

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  15. Anonymous

    I agree and empathise with many of the comments here, and can’t really add much than to say I am another who is struggling. But I did want to point this out
    “In fact I discovered that being infertile and having depression are very similar – none make you the life of the party. But with depression no-one at the party would dare tell you how to get over it or deal with it; they leave that to the professionals.”
    Unfortunately, totally not at all true. There is still stigma of depression. There are still many people who will belittle the illness, who will say “just think happy thoughts”, “just think positively”, “have you tried…?” and so on and so forth. And comments like this, comparing one illness to another, comparing the reaction to infertility and depression is poor and misunderstood and does nothing to help demystify or shatter that stigma.

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    • jemma

      100% agreed!

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    • jemma

      well said and very true. no comparison!

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  16. Bex

    We fell pregnant accidently in our last year of uni and had out wonderful son. We thought it was so easy the first time that when we thought we’d love to have another we got the shock of our lives – it wasn’t easy at all. It took over 5 years. We had unexplained secondary infertility and heard all the cures and what we should do. We almost lost our marriage and I lost sight of what was important when we had three basic treatments fail. We decided to give ourselves a break of 6 months. We bought a house and got some marriage counselling for some unresolved issues and just focussed on the family we did have. The week before our full on ivf appointment I found out I was pregnant. Through all of this process I found it hard to talk to people about it and had lots of friends fall pregnant which we found tough. My best friends just let me talk,mopped the tears and were just there. If more people knew just what a miracle it actually is to get pregnant, the odds tht the timing is right then I think there would be less questioning an advice giving. Good luck to everyone who is trying for their miracle or finding another way to become a family.

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  17. rachael1260

    Infertility SUX. It is heartbreaking. It is unfair. It is soul destroying. I came out the other side with 2 healthy children but I don’t forget for a second what it felt like to feel hopeless.

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    • Anonymous

      I feel sad that while IVF may produce babies for people who couldn’t naturally, it doesn’t recreate the happy emotions and all the fun associated with being pregnant.

      In all my pregnancies (11, with 0 living kids) I have never felt pure happiness and excitement.

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  18. 27andinfertile

    I’m 29 now. Fit, healthy and most importantly happy. My husband and I have had three IVF cycles and none of them came close to a pregnancy. I have been told that it’s due to the quality of my eggs. Despite all of this, we feel incredibly lucky. We are lucky that infertility treatments are readily available, we are lucky that there are other options out there like sperm donation and surrogacy. We are lucky that in 5 weeks time my sister in law will start injection herself daily with the aim of growing some kick us eggs for us.

    I haven’t told many people about my infertility. Some of those who know have offered suggestions and that’s ok. I think that most people, after hearing bad news, just want to make things better.

    Deciding whether or not to tell people about infertility deserves a lot of thinking time. People need to ask themselves what they are trying to achieve by telling others. They need to be prepared for people who just want to help.

    I will talk about my infertility someday and I doubt I will ever stop. I have an anonymous blog which is great for me to reflect when I need to http://www.littlepleasures.blog.com.

    I will NEVER see myself in my baby but at least I can say that I’ve had an interesting life.

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    • Cloe

      Wow – I admire your attitude & optimism. I wish you all the best x

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  19. emmjay

    I read this post today at work and had to come back tonight to comment. After nearly 10 years of being appalling slack with any form of contraception, we finally decided to get serious and TTC. After 9 months of guaranteed tears every single month, we started looking at every option we had. Turns out my lovely husband has perfectly good sperm, just very few of them. We are absurdly lucky, after jumping onto the IVF rollercoaster, I’m sitting here being kicked like there is no tomorrow by our miracle baby. Emotionally draining as the whole process has been for both of us, it was really brought home to me how hard it was for him when he went to a prenatal class for Dads, and came home really upset because of the guys who all sat there saying “oh we only tried for a little while and it just happened” He was gutted about it for at least a week and it still comes up every little while. I think if anyone ever tries to give him any advice again he’ll just walk off in disgust.

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    • Anon

      I don’t understand. Why would those off the cuff, genuine comments make someone disgusted? Isn’t one persons experience as valid as the others? I’m not getting how you could possibly take offense at ‘normal’ conversation.

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      • rainbow

        i think the point is that unless you are a male fertility specialist you shouldn’t be offering someone advice. offer them a shoulder to cry on, take them out for a game of golf but don’t for one moment think that you can help solve a medical problem.

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    • MissMaya

      My poor hubbie also got told that he needed “super sperm” like his mate whose partner fell pregnant on their first try. It really upset him, even though there is nothing medically wrong with him, I am the “faulty” one. Your poor hubby must have been devastated. Congrats on your miracle bubba.

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  20. Anon

    So, I’m at a BBQ and start up a conversation. OK, am I allowed to ask if you have children or is that just so un-PC now?

    If I’m told ‘NO’ we move onto another subject but if I’m told ‘No, we are having IVF/trouble/lazy sperm/etc,’ what do you want me to say? Do you want me to continue with the conversation or should I just say ‘Too much info’ and get up and walk away in case I commit the mortal sin of unintended offense?

    Minefield.

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    • MissMaya

      Maybe it’s not a topic for discussion at all?

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    • Anon

      Walk a day in the shoes of someone suffering from infertility and you might just understand.

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    • Emily Jade

      Just ask how it’s going and listen….pretty easy, not a mine field at all…

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    • Anon

      If it feels like a minefield for you, imagine it from her shoes.

      Just act with grace. It’s not that hard. You say good luck. You say I’ll think good thoughts for you. You say that must be hard for you.

      Infertiles aren’t a whole new subspecies. Treat them with grace, with respect and with kindness, even if you haven’t a clue how they are feeling. I guarantee you if you treat them that way, they won’t get offended, and you won’t feel like you’re about to step on a landmine.

      It’s seriously not that hard.

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  21. Mel

    We struggled with infertility for two years, once you take out the time we couldn’t try because I had an incisional hernia. I lost count of how many times I was told to relax (grrr), or ‘just have sex’ (really?). When you tell people you’ve been diagnosed with unexplained infertility, they always assume you’re doing something wrong, rather than there being something wrong

    We’ve been incredibly lucky though. Last year we started our first IVF round. Despite incredible reactions to the drugs, hyperstimulation, needing ICSI, and my 30 eggs (20 mature) only developing to 6 viable blastocysts, our first round was successful, and the baby is kicking along nicely inside as I type.

    What I have noticed, though, is a lack of knowledge about IVF outside fertility circles. We’ve moved into the public hospital system because our health insurance doesn’t cover us. The midwife there didn’t understand how egg pick up was done. Then there’s the people who tell you that you should never complain about pregnancy annoyances because ‘you asked for it’ . . .

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    • Anonymous

      Thinking that 6 blastocysts is a poor result shows some ignorance in my opinion. 1 is average.

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      • Mel

        It was the drop from 20 good eggs to 6 that was worrying. It tells us there is a problem there, but we still can’t pin point it. It’s the not knowing that really plays on your mind. It also makes it hard to make any decisions regarding future plans.

        Of course, I’m thrilled we had good blastocysts, but when we didn’t know if the pregnancy would hold it was a little sobering.

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        • Krystle

          Hi Mel,

          With the hyperstimulation, did they make you wait 2 months before putting back that one successful Embryo? I am in the middle of an IVF/ICSI cycle as we speak and I have my egg collection one week today, however, they told me I am up to 16 follicles, and anymore they won’t do a fresh transfer and I would have to wait 2 cycles before putting one back…just wondering how it worked for you? Also, getting so many eggs, I noticed you said only 6 survived?

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          • Neola

            Hi Krystle (and Mel!)

            My story is extremely similar to Mel’s! 30 friggin follicles(!) and then over the 6 days a disheartening drop each day…we ended up with 4 blastocysts, which is apparently still good but it is hard ringing iup each day and hearing about those dwindling numbers. They are making me wait 2 months before transfer of the first one as I had a terrible case of hyperstimulation – the waiting game is tough, but from what I hear, if you had 30 follicles, your body’s been through a hell of a lot and waiting means you’ll have an easier pregnancy if you;’re successful first try (fingers crossed we will be!)

            Best of luck everyone xxx

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            • Krystle

              Thanks for your insight Neola! I am really having a hard day today with the htoughts that I am on the verge of hyperstimulation and may have to wait another 2-3 months before trying again when it has already been 17 months and 2 miscarriages in between. I don’t know what I will do over those 2 month’s wait. I am really struggling with this news today. I understand because I am only 27 it is a higher risk but I just didn’t expect such news I suppose. Do either of you have a contact email address? I am in the middle of having my blog redesigned and would love to follow one another’s journey. It is a very lonely process!

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            • krystle

              Wow, Neola, that sounds like quite the scary experience. Do you have a blog or anything so we can follow your progress and see how you go come May? I would be really interested to hear how you go and will be thinking of you!!! Wishing you and G all the best for a successful pregnancy!

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          • Neola

            P.S. Krystle, try not to be too disappointed if they don’t do the fresh transfer (easier said than done, I know, I cried about it, despite being sicker than the proverbial dog on the scheduled day when they cancelled). But I’ve been told by embyologists that the success rate is exactly the same for frozen

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            • G

              Hi Kystle & Neola,
              Just interested…. do your drs do ultrasounds while you’re on the FSH? And if they think hyperstimulation is likely, can they do anything about it? Just interested to know as that extra wait for the transfer must be so hard. We were lucky – 20 follicles, 14 eggs retrieved and 8 viable embryos using ICSI. They did the transfer on day 3.

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            • Krystle

              Hi G,

              My Dr does do ultrasounds, I have my next one Saturday. In our clinic if you get more than 18 eggs they won’t proceed with the fresh transfer. So even though you had 20 Follicles not all had eggs, correct?

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            • G

              Hi Krystle,
              Yep, only 14 eggs in total. I was pretty bloated with the FSH and had bad abdominal pain but they went ahead with the transfer on day 3 and it was successful.
              I hope everything works out for you. You’re right about it being a lonely process. I was a mess for a long time and it was all I could focus on. Try to stay positive (easier said than done, I know!) and I wish you all the best x

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            • Neola

              Hi G – I can’t seem to reply directly to you for some reason?

              They did ultrasounds and they knew I was in the risk category for hyperstim as I have PCOS and showed a really good reaction to the drugs after just a couple of days – and then it was a little too good! They took precautions from the very start and had me on lower doses of the Gonal F than normal, but still it happened. All week after the egg pick up, I had mild abdo pain but none of the shortness of breath or other symptoms so they thought I was going to be fine. But on the morning of the scheduled transfer the nausea kicked in and it was cancelled at the last minute. I spent a week in hospital and it was the worst (I won’t scare you with the details – suffice to say, I really hope you girls manage to avoid that).

              On a positive note – I PROMISE YOU – I’m just so happy to know we have 4 good embryos on ice waiting for us in May and am spending the next 2 months looking after my health, recovering slowly and being spoiled by my beloved and enjoying a bit of wine and soft cheese (doctor’s orders!) before taking the next step with a positive attitude. And RELISHING not having a million needles to stick into my stomach and arm anymore!

              Stay strong, we’ll get there!

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            • G

              Hi Neola,
              Sorry to hear you had to go through that but it’s good that you can see the positives. After a couple of months of TLC and enjoying a few glasses of vino, I’m sure you’ll be in a great frame of mind and ready for the next step! Much better than coming straight off the emotional and physical effects of the IVF drugs. Good luck! x

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        • Better info

          Mel the advice you’re getting is terrible.

          20 down to 6 is outstanding, above the usual results you’d expect based on scientific percentages through the harvest stages to get to a blastocyst.

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      • Completely agree

        6 is not a poor result and definitely shows ignorance. Do your research. There’s a limit to the number of good eggs you can produce during a simulation cycle.

        We had 14 eggs and ended up with 5 and it was the best result our clinic had seen in the last 3 years.

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  22. Jen

    SO much ‘advice’ out there, drove me crazy! That’s why we didn’t tell anyone we were TTC.

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    • Anon

      Exactly! If people want to put their personal business out there then they clearly crave the attention. And then, when someone doesn’t follow the script they get upset and ‘disgusted’ at their clumsy attempts at kindness.

      If you don’t want to discuss it then don’t tell anyone. It’s not rocket science.

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      • Tayah

        Wow infertile couples CRAVE the attention? Yes I distinctly remember praying as a young girl to ABSOLUTELY STUFFING STRUGGLE to get pregnant so then when meeting my friends I had something to talk about. Coz I’m you know craving the attention!!! Fertility struggles aren’t easy for anyone involved but we have the right to talk about it, just like everyone else can talk about whatever is on their mind. And if you don’t have any advice or you don’t know what to say – just listen, don’t make that person feel awful for talking about something so gut wrenchingly shit. Or just try “I’m sorry it is so hard for you, I’m here when you need me”. In saying all of that I feel kind of sorry for anyone who thinks you’re their friend and they can talk to you!

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  23. Cloe

    Whoa, sorry for the novel! :/

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  24. Cloe

    We have just begun IVF treatment after an already emotional, depressing, confusing, anxious (there are a thousand words I can think of to describe it, none all that positive) 18 months of trying to conceive naturally, followed by months of tests and then medications. It is the most emotional, isolating thing my husband and I have ever experienced and I wouldn’t wish it upon anyone. Although I do agree with the comment below about hope- yes we do have hope so we consider ourselves lucky. We are both healthy and understand things could be much worse. 

    I could talk about how difficult it is for hours, but on the topic of everyone seeming to think they’re experts – yes yes yes. We have only told our immediate family & some very close friends of our situation and even from them have had some off comments. Yes we appreciate they don’t understand as they’ve never been through it, like we find it hard to relate to problems they have with their kids for example. But I agree with offering absolutely no advice unless you’ve been in the couple in questions exact situation, which is very unlikely. And even then it’s not ideal!

    Early on we had friends asking if we were having sex at the right time if the month (yeah like we hadn’t looked into that!), if I was considering a gluten-free diet or if we’d just tried doing it after a few drinks. Then, 2 days before we had our first IVF treatment, my mother in law (who loves to diagnose any situation) dropped the comment ‘you know what, I think this is just all down to stress. You two just have yourselves too worked up about it all’. Wanted to strangle her! We haven’t been through months of heartache for something caused by stress, there are physical medical issues here!! I’m still so mad about that one. And I’ve had a lot of ‘oh you’ll have no problems with your second child, your body will know what ita meant to do then’. Who knows, will deal with that when it comes! It’s also not helpful to hear people talk about ‘my cousins friend’ or ‘one of my clients daughters’ who have been through IVF. No offense, but everyone who goes through IVF is their own personal case and issues can be completely different. So hearing about cousin Mary’s cousin’s IVF story doesn’t help me at all – I need you to help me through my own individual situation- to me that is my focus.

    Add to that the many random people that ask every day just about, ‘so when are you having kids??’ and friends falling pregnant left right & centre, it is bloody hard. We are happy for our friends but if we have to go to another first birthday/christening/baby shower we will tear our hair out. It really is painful. 

    The whole thing really is one big roller coaster – and the cruel thing is you just don’t know where the finish is. We really hope ours is soon! After all we’ve been through we will appreciate the baby we are hopefully blessed with so incredibly much :) best wishes & positive vibes to everyone going through it! 

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    • Zoe

      Ah it’s a tough road. I hope you get the result you want x

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    • E

      I cant even begin to imagine how difficult it must be for you. I truly hope you are blessed sooner rather than later. I do have one question for you though, do I still invite friends who are having trouble conceiving to my child’s birthday? It must be terrible to go to events like that but is it best to put the invitation out there rather than missing them out…

      I hope you don’t mind giving me your opinion.

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      • 27andinfertile

        E, I wouldn’t treat them any differently. It would be very upsetting for me if I knew that my friend didn’t invite me to their child’s birthday party because of my infertility. If they don’t want to come they can just make up an excuse.

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      • Cloe

        Thank you E :) I would definitely still ask your friends to come, but maybe let them know that if they’re not feeling up to it on the day, not to feel pressured to come. That way they don’t have to feel guilty making an excuse, and I’m sure they’d appreciate you considering them & their situation.

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  25. kathl29

    I was very lucky I got pregnant very easily with my daughter but it would take me another 6 1/2 years before I had my son. I was lucky compared to all you ladies who have had to go through IVF as I get pregnant very easily but unfortunately I miscarry very easily as well.

    People can be very insensitive – I had so many people tell me that it was selfish to only have one child as they presumed that we were choosing to only have one. They had no idea how often I would get my hopes up only to have them dashed at the 10 week mark.

    At least I had the one child for them to focus on it must be so painful for people to provide you with ‘helpful’ suggestions like you haven’t already thought of them.

    Emily-Jade – I loved reading your blog on the Courier Mail website and got pregnant with my son about 2 months after you did. Seeing you go through your pregnancy gave me hope that mine would stick to. I was so happy for you when I saw the pictures of your beautiful girl once she was born.

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    • Emily Jade

      Thankyou Kath!! Congrats to you too…isn’t it just awesome. As I type this Millie is snuggling up watching the footy with her Daddy in bed. Yes she should be asleep and yes TV is bad for kids…but they are just so sweet together that I don’t want to break up the party and put her to bed!!

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  26. Anonymous

    A great friend of mine is the last one out of our close knit group of friends to have kids – they are currently TTC. So you can imagine how hard it has been for her when most of her friends bombard her with questions about where they are in their journey to parenthood.
    In one conversation she had, a friend had asked her if she had taken blood tests, this test, that test, eaten this, eaten that, done this, done that, etc – which she patiently answered. One funniest question out of that conversation was: “yeah, so you are having sex, but HOW are you having sex?”

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    • Emily Jade

      I totally got that one a lot…especially the position one. I couldn’t believe people were telling me to do it doggy style, or missionary or standing on my head in the shower…you just had to laugh at that one xo

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      • Anon

        I mean, we can laugh, sure – but sweet mercy, why do people think it’s okay to actually ask us about our sex life?

        I am a smile and nod kinda girl. I’ve got a thousand great comebacks now but I can never remember them at the time.

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  27. Miss Maya

    Having struggled with infertility for over 3 years and going through the IVF roller coaster only to miscarry I agree with everything you have said Emily. We had the worst off hand comments including people calling our 2nd miscarriage a ‘small blip’ and one heavily pregnant partner of my husband’s good friend say “Of course you can carry a baby, every woman can.” So what does that mean, because I can’t have children I am not a real woman? That one still upsets me.

    The other thing that I struggle with, you know apart from the maybe never becoming a mother thing, is the way that friends who have children exclude us from their get together, like we are not worth spending time with since we don’t have a family.

    Honestly I know you can’t help me, but please ask how I am doing, listen to me when I answer and please don’t offer any advice!

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    • Emily Jade

      A BLIP!! I am seething at that one. You poor thing. I hope it happens for you soon, don’t give up trying, try everything, its worth it, even if it never happens, you will know you tried your best xo

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  28. GidgetGirl

    Here! Here! I couldn’t have said it better myself! For me, the questions and endless (although I’m sure well-meaning) advice got to be so much that I told no-one except my boss (because of interruptions to work) about our foray into IVF. I didn’t want everyone tracking my cycle and asking endless questions so instead everyone thought I was a moody cow who looked crap ALOT! In hindsight this may not have been my best decision as when I miscarried, the very people who I had shut out were my biggest support and probably would have been a huge support throughout the whole arduous process. Unfortunately there has been no happy ending yet for my husband and I but we still live in hope. Having people who care enough to ask is a double edged sword. The best advice I can offer is be there for that person on the days they need to talk/ vent/ cry and respect their privacy when they don’t. And if you come to us one day and tell us you’re pregnant and we don’t jump over the moon, please don’t think we are not happy for you because we are! We are just secretly a little bit sad for ourselves.

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  29. Anonymous

    I was told we should ‘go on a cruise’. My response was that it wouldn’t be much use, with my embryos back at home in the freezer. I don’t think they were suggesting I should have sex with strangers on the cruise, but that’s the only way it would have made any difference! When I finally became pregnant, then people said ‘see what happens when you’re relaxed’! Huh?!

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  30. Alex

    This is the answer to last week’s post about why you should stop asking women if they’ve got kids. It’s not a simple question for everyone. It’s touchy for a lot of people, even those who have kids.

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  31. MrsB

    My husband and I have been struggling with infertility for 6 years and have been through the IVF roller coaster. We are currently taking a break and doing some travelling, renovating our house and enjoying each other for a while before we try again.
    I am one who shares my life (probably too much) with friends and workmates so I get asked a lot where we are up to in the baby making process and the questions are generally followed by a sad face awaiting my response.
    I have learnt long ago that people who have conceived naturally have absolutely no idea about how the process actually works, yet they think themselves experts. I know that people offering their advice mean well (mostly) so I grin and bear it.
    My absolute favorite is when friends have offered to carry a baby for me, I have to assume that these are totally ignorant offers and they don’t REALLY understand what they are offering. Most recently my very young sister in law who has twins (knocked up by a random after a one night stand). I would take “just relax and it would happen” every day if it meant no more of these awkward conversations!

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  32. Jasi

    As much as I wouldn’t wish infertility on anyone- not even my worst enemy, I envy those who are struggling. Along with the struggle (as well as people’s hurtful remarks) there is hope. With every new suggestion, treatment plan, drug trial, ivf treatment, there is a bit of hope. I was in my early 20′s when I was diagnosed with cervical cancer and had s full hysterectomy. Now I am in my mid 30′s and I wish so much I could have at least a chance of carrying my own child. At lot of people on this post have a happy ending, with a child. I won’t have that. I get comments too, like “at least you are alive- many don’t survive cancer”, and “have you considered adoption?”. (as If the thought had never in 10 years crossed my mind!!). I even had someone who was struggling with infertility tell me “you are lucky that the question of kids is out of the equation. You can just get on with looking at other options”. I don’t try and stop people comments- I am honest about my situation and do my best to manage my own emotions, rather than trying to change everyone’s behaviours around me. I am not writing this to belittle the experience of infertility- please don’t think that. I am simply saying you can’t change everyone and you can’t always plan the way your life will turn out. it’s our job to work out how to best care for own own broken hearts, and each others.

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    • gypsy

      Jasi – you are absolutely right, we do have hope. Thank you for that perspective.

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    • Emily Jade

      Yes, thankyou Jasi, I really admire you x

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    • Anna

      Jasi – things in my life nearly ended the same way yours did. I too had cervical cancer in my 20s and was wheeled into the operating room having signed a consent form for a possible hysterectomy. I was heart broken. When I awoke and the surgeon told me he had saved my uterus I was estatic. We immediately started fertility treatment once I was given the all clear and had a daughter reasonably quickly with a couple of stitches on my remaining cervix. It then took 4.5 years to have any further children, but I now thank God for that surgeon being able to save my uterus that day and that I was able to experience the joy of children. In the ten years since that happened I don’t see my periods as a pain – I know I am lucky to have them. I tell my daughters about the wonder of the female body, and the chance I was given.
      Jasi you are brave to speak out about this. Thank you.

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  33. Just saying

    Oh I hear you loud and clear!!! I was seriously going to go nuts at the next person that told me to relax and have a glass of wine ( or too many ) and I would soon conceive.
    7 IVF attempts later we have one delightful gift in our beautiful girl , however, the advice still keeps coming though. But now it is ‘ now your body knows what to do….’

    I think no one truly understands ‘infertility’ til they experience it themselves & they shouldn’t offer advice unless asked.

    Great article & congratulations on your little miracle.

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    • Emily Jade

      Thankyou. If I had of listened to everyone I would have been drunk 80 percent of the time!

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      • Pinchy

        Funny thing is, it worked for me!
        I was told over and over again ‘it will happen when you relax’. It made me so angry! I said ‘you try relaxing when you want something so badly it hurts! Something that women are ‘designed to do’. Every month mourning the loss of what might have been’.
        Almost 4 years of blood tests, drugs, ultrasounds etc, we gave up.
        A weekend away, a few too many drinks and bam. Pregnant!
        Then came all the ‘you’ll fall pregnant again really easily next time as your body will know what to do’. HA! I wish! During the 3 years we TTC #2 if I heard ‘well at least you have one’ one more time I was going to stab someone. It doesnt matter how many you have. A yearning for a child is the same no matter what number you are up to. I never thought it was true until we couldnt conceive #2.
        3 years later and an operation to fix a few problems and it finally happened again.
        We now have a daughter and a son and are the luckiest people alive.

        Sorry. I could have stopped at the first sentance. Getting drunk worked for us!

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        • Anon

          You did read the original post, didn’t you?

          Not very helpful…

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          • Pinchy

            Your right. Im sorry. I didnt mean any harm. I wasnt thinking.

            I would delete my comment if I knew how.
            Im sorry if I have upset anyone.

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  34. Anon

    Glad you got your happy ending! We did too….after dealing with infertility, depression, IVF, and constant helpful “advice” from others. I usually answered with “Thanks, but we’re following the advice of our IVF specialist at the moment, we’ll think about your suggestion if that doesn’t work out!” After getting pregnant, the advice kept coming “morning sickness – why don’t you try this drug?, problems breast-feeding – maybe you need to change the baby’s position?, baby not sleeping – you must go to a sleep school!”. In most cases, people really are just genuinely concerned and wanting to offer help but it’s hard not to feel criticised. New mums are generally an anxious and sensitive bunch….best just to ask “is there anything I can do to help?”
    After first bub and IVF dramas, number 2 was a lovely surprise conceived just after number 1 was weaned. Of course, we were told this was because we were relaxed and not thinking about it. Who knows?

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  35. AT

    Yes yes yes. I don’t even know where to start. My husband has tricksy sperm, but worse, the extent of my premature ovarian failure was recently discovered – during our first IVF try. I’m 36, have been trying for 3 years to have a baby. Since finding out that I am unlikely to be able to conceive I have gone through a wide range of emotions. My family has been distant – one sister hasn’t even called or emailed – and I’ve found it difficult to speak with friends about this, so I feel really isolated. I keep trying to reach out – mostly to friends with children – and keep getting this shut-down look on their faces, and strangled comments about whether I’ve considered surrogacy or adoption. God.

    Can anyone recommend any good online IVF communities? Up till now I haven’t been part of any because they’ve made me too upset but I think I might now benefit.

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    • Shelly in PNG

      Hi AT. We’re struggling at the moment and I am booked in for my first visit to a fertility specialist in May. There is a great online community to be found here: http://community.i-do.com.au/index.php?s=a135514e63ac4c339057e1ac7d9fb34e&showtopic=125816&st=3375

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    • gypsy

      Hello, from a fellow “premature ovarian failure” gal, I can recommend http://www.ivffriends.com.au
      I have found some of the sites a bit draining – you absolutely have to stay positive and the negative stories are not helpful BUT ivffriends is mostly very good.
      I can relate to the feeling of isolation though. One of my nearest and dearest friends is the one person I haven’t ben able to speak to about my situation.
      Hang in there.

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    • alikelystory

      also try fertilityfriend – great group of women, amazing support! praying for a happy ending for you guys xx

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    • KH

      AT,
      I dont know where your at with your AMH test but a lot of those on the “boards” have “lower than average but not low” im 34 with a 1.3 and the best advice i can give you is remember it ONLY TAKES ONE EGG….. I’d skip the forums altogether if you are very low as they wont be much help… Your egg quality should be pretty good considering your age… so dont focus on what you cannot change…. i went down that hole and it wasnt a nice one. Repeat after me…. it only takes one egg!

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  36. suki

    Lovely post. It’s always hilarious when people with no medical qualifications whatsoever think they have the answers.

    Worse though is when the wannabe shrinks allude to a possible *psychological* issue as being the root cause.

    I don’t think it’s about infertile people being overly sensitive, I think there are just large slabs of the community who have no manners/tact.

    Good luck to everyone muddling their way through. xx

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  37. Jo

    I think it must be Heartbreaking to have to deal with people’s insensitivity during such a painful time, but I think it needs to be kept in perspective. People offer advice to each other all the time. Whether you are breast feeding, starting a new job, buying a car, getting married, or in this case trying to have a baby. The thing that makes it hard to swallow in this situation is that there is a huge emotional element, and feelings of inadequacy that already exist. I think if people actually knew how broken you were feeling, they would be (mostly) more sensitive and less “problem solving” . While you can’t wear your heart on your sleeve and tell everyone your inmost insecurities and fears, An answer like “we’d love to have a baby and have tried a lot of different options. would you mind if we talked about something else because it’s quite hard to talk about?” would be a good response. So many of my friends who have struggled Roth infertility have played their cards very close to their chest because they are scared of others reactions but I felt like I was ripped off from my chance to care for them through a really tough time. Give people a bit more credit- there is generally some good motivation behind the “helpful” comments.

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    • Jo

      I appreciate where you are coming from Jo, but as I like to say to my husband, whether it’s meant maliciously or simply without thinking, hurtful comments are still just that.

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    • Regrets....

      You felt ripped of?? Sorry but it isn’t about YOU. Yes, I have been offered advice about other areas like weddings, houses etc but in NO WAY can this ever be compared to something as intimate as infertility. People seem to want to know intimate details about the how/whys/ins and outs. I don’t ask them if they conceived doggy style or missionary position. Just because I have to use medical science to help me doesn’t mean I’m less entitled to the privacy that other people who conceive naturally enjoy.

      The magic of having a child naturally has already been taken away from me, please don’t take any more of my dignity away.

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  38. Here here

    Oh boy. Have I got strong opinions on this topic.

    One of my husband’s friends has recently questioned my employement decisions and whether they were impacting my fertility. It came as such a surprise there was no room for him to sign on the consent form for the IVF clinic (our second clinic, we’re long timer infertiles)

    I make constant reference to it whenever we get a course of treatment recommendation I say “should we check that with XXXX”. My husband is very clear about how I feel on his friend’s advice.

    It’s hard to know what to say and my suggestions are things like

    “I really hope you get what you want soon”
    “What can I do to make it easier for you”
    “I’m sorry it’s hard”
    “Is this something you would like to talk about”.

    My experience is that there are people who are just interested in gossip and those who really care.

    I don’t get upset that other people have success and I don’t. I am genuinely happy for them. I don’t mind that I’m not up at 2am covered in spew. It doesn’t sound fun. I just wanted my kids to be the same age as my friend’s kids so our families can possibly have the same strong connection I have with their mum.

    Good luck to everyone going through it.

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  39. JoJo

    I struggled with infertility and thought if I can just fall pregnant I’ll be happy. Unfortunately, we had three miscarriages on IVF before deciding we could not continue with the heartbreak. We started the process to adopt in 2006 and we’re still waiting….I jokingly say we should call any child we manage to bring in to our lives Patience. But nowadays I don’t think I believe it will ever happen, but that’s our problem and not one I want to share with everyone. I do try to just be happy for my wonderful husband who is my partner in everything and the life we share.

    Certainly my age was a factor, but all the other gynecological issues meant there was never going to be any miracle pregnancy. So all the well meaning advice was frustrating when I didn’t really want to discuss all my health issues with anyone who asked.However, I also know that because I try to retain a bit of privacy, people don’t know what’s gone on and that’s why I try to quietly answer when questioned about why we don’t have children. For those of you wondering what’s the right thing to say, from my perspective I don’t know but certainly I try to manage my feelings rather than expecting others to know I’m sensitive to what I haven’t told them! But that’s just me.

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    • NewMum

      Jojo, I hope you get to adopt very soon.

      You and your husband sound like you will be wonderful parents and you deserve to be!

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    • Good luck JoJo

      I hope it works out for you JoJo.

      I don’t think anyone else understands the decision to give up trying. It’s hell going through IVF and miscarriages from it, I know.

      I’m sorry people say hurtful things, I think if translated into less rude and insensitive comments what they may actually have meant “I would really like to see you get what you want.”

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    • Anonymous

      I really hope your adoption comes through soon. I don’t understand why it has to take so long? It must be heartbreaking for you.

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  40. heavenlyhev

    My partner and I have struggled to conceive for 4 years now. It’s at the point that I can’t actually be around pregnant friends or those with young babies, it’s too painful for me. I hope the time comes, I live for that day. In the meantime, I fill my life with other things & hope I have a point where I have to give them up. Infertility is very difficult & those who have never had this issue, really can’t understand.

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  41. Guest

    Oh you made me cry :( I’m so happy that you have your little Millie now.

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  42. On the fence

    I have really suffered with edonmetriosis from a very young age (early teens) and I guess because I have always been informed that falling pregnant will be difficult, I have schooled my brain to think I don’t want children. And to be honest, I really don’t! I’m pretty sure my partner feels the same way, that there is more to life than nappies, school lunches and driving lessons.
    But if I even think of mentioning that to any social circle I’m considered crazy ‘oh when you hold your own you’ll love them’ and constant words or phrases to that effect. Why would I have a baby just to see how it feels? Why would consider adoption and IVF when i dont feel the maternal desire? Why isn’t it ok that I take my endometriosis as is, feel blessed that I have met someone who makes me happy and have a wonderful life? It’s buzzard to me that those with or those trying for children don’t have time or space for me and my choices.

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    • chrissy

      My story is very similar, on the fence. I was told in Grade 6 that I could not have the rubella needle due to allergies. Unfortunately my teacher found out that this fact after she told the whole class that if we did not have this needle our babies would be ‘ugly and deformed’ (her words, not mine). Being a practical child I just accepted the fact that I would not have any children of my own. Despite knowing the facts on this now, I have carried this into my adult life and have never had that absolute craving to concieve that I hear so often about.
      It breaks my heart to listen to friends struggle in these circumstances, but it is also hurtful when friends, sometimes the very ones I have supported, reject my situation as just a phase and tell me loudly and proudly that I will never truly understand life because I choose not to have children. That my life is worth less because I will not be a mother. Thanks for making me feel like I’m’ not the only one :)

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    • Becnherboys

      I too have struggled with endo since I was 14 years old. I had my first lot of surgery at 17 and was told children wouldn’t be possible without IVF due to scarring etc. After multiple surgeries and many drugs I went on to have three babies. All three were conceived without any intervention. Clearly I got very lucky! On The Fence you really never know (and nor do the Drs) until you try. Good luck with whatever you decide.

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    • Siobhan

      I have a similar story, in that I was diagnosed with endometriosis at 14 and told that it was very likely that I wouldn’t be able to have children. After several operations in my early twenties to remove ovarian cysts etc., I have actually had nine pregnancies, including two successful ones (resulting in my two sons), a stillbirth and several miscarriages. My successful pregnancies happened after I followed a four month preconception plan devised by my naturopath, which also got rid of my endometriosis. As such, when I hear similar stories, I feel compelled to share my own story, and my belief in the importance of preconception healthcare and the benefits of naturopathy, acupuncture etc. in addressing some (certainly not all, I know) fertility problems. I have sent several friends to my naturopath and acupuncturist, and all have ended up with successful pregnancies, including a few who’d previously had several failed attempts at IVF.

      I don’t think people usually mean to be insensitive when they offer advice to couples struggling with infertility. Sometimes people just don’t know what to say (if they have no experience of infertility themselves), so say the first thing that pops into their head, which is often something trite like ‘relax and it will happen’… And then there are people like me who feel compelled to share their own story, just in case in might help in some way. It’s always a risk, as of course I realise that there are several fertility issues that naturopathy can’t fix and I don’t want to offend anyone who’s heard it all before, but I only ever share my own experience just in case it can help. So even though I might offend someone in the process, I have the best of intentions, as I’m sure most people do.

      It’s always hard to know whether it’s better to offer advice or share a story that might offer a glimmer of hope to someone (and I’ve had a rough road to motherhood myself), or whether it’s better to just shut up for fear of offending them.

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  43. Jenna

    “just relaaaaaaxxxxx”. I got that one so many times. My first baby took two years to conceive, despite me being 25, hubby 28 and both non drinkers and smokers-so in other words, healthy. We had unexplained infertility. I was ovulating and hubby’s sperm had good swimmers. Month after month we tried everything. We endured stupid questions from family, friends and even strangers. We conceived after 6months only to have a miscarriage at 8 weeks. It then took 18 more months to fall pregnant again.
    I distinctly remember reading about Britney Spears falling pregnant and thinking “Fuck! bloody Britney has got pregnant TWICE in the time we’ve been trying!”.
    It’s hard to be happy for other friends who get pregnant, especially when they gleefully announce, “we weren’t even trying! Whoops!”. It’s hard to see prams everywhere. It’s hard to see pregnant bellies everywhere.
    It’s hard to keep looking at upcoming events on the calendar and wonder if you’ll be pregnant by then (will I be able to have a drink at the wedding or will I be 7weeks pregnant and lying through my teeth about being on a health kick/antibiotics/just getting over the flu……)
    We finally had our gorgeous boy and when he was 16 months old started trying for no.2. Fell pregnant the first month by having sex ONCE in the entire month as hubby was home for two days before heading overseas for three weeks. Shocked to say the least.

    I’ve got No advice for anyone going through infertility and i won’t even offer up a lame “everything happens for a reason” or a “it will happen when you relax/stop trying/plan a holiday”.

    Big hugs for everyone going through it. Infertility sucks.

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  44. nicolemadiganeverest

    My first son was conceived via IVF – my second was an unexpected, and unlikely, natural conception.

    What I find difficult to swallow is when people tell me, “that’s because you were more relaxed/weren’t thinking about it/not putting pressure on yourself”.

    Nope, we had “explained” infertility, as in, there was a diagnosis, a reason if you will. The natural pregnancy was purely a one-in-a-large-number chance. Mostly I just nod and smile though :)

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    • AJ

      That response to your second pregnancy would have had me on the ROOF!!

      I always dream of responding to people who say those things with

      “I had no idea you were such an expert in fertility. I am very disappointed in you that you didn’t speak up earlier. With your expertise we could have save 50k and 4 years”

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  45. Laws for Clouds

    I think we’ve all got something we’re sensitive about. My son has autism and I know plenty of well meaning people who suggest I could change his diet, shouldn’t have had him vaccinated, or just get a positive attitude about it (which I try to do most days) and he’ll ‘pick up on my positive vibes and get better’.

    I just tell myself that people generally are trying to be helpful. Although I find this a little easier as I have chronic foot in mouth disease so I’m prone to these kinds of gaffs!

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  46. Guest

    People are just trying to help and don’t know how. I am 37, have no children nor a partner and would love to have children. I understand how you feel but i think you should see the positive’s and be grateful that people care enough to offer advice. Who know’s maybe they will suggest something that you haven’t actually tried that does actually work.

    As for your depression comment, i would be interested to see if you have ever been clincially diagnosed with depression, as i certainly know that I get depressed and lots of people offer me advice. I can’t just get over it, positive thoughts don’t seem to make it better, but i thank you for trying to understand and i thank you for caring enough to offer advice.

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    • Caris

      I agree, I think there is still plenty of stigma associated with depression

      While I am comfortable admitting it is a disease I have been medically diagnosed with and have struggled with in the past, I know other people won’t react in a way that I feel is beneficial to my recovery so I tend to keep it to myself most of the time (aside from close family & friends)

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  47. WTE

    It took me 2 years and 3 rounds of fertility treatment to conceive my first. My second was conceived naturally after only 2 months and my last took a few years.

    There were so many people who commented that #2 happened because I “relaxed”. Umm no, that had nothing to do with it. I have endometriosis and the 9 months of pregnancy was actually a good thing in terms of trying to fall pregnant again.

    I found being upfront about the whole thing was the easiest for me, as people don’t keep hassling you about it (mostly). I must admit I didn’t have quite the same number of people coming up with ways to fix it though.

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  48. Nat

    We had been trying to concieve on IVF for 6 years, before moving to adoption… I cannot tell you the amount of times, people have said to us (when they find out we are going through the adoption process)… Oh don’t worry, now you are on the road to adoption, you will fall pregnant… WTF!!!
    This has to be the one thing that absolutely makes my blood boil, and then as if that is not enough, they proceed with…. “I have this friend…..” Like they need evidence to back up their stupid claim… it is about this time, I hear my children (2 beautiful babies from Taiwan)… calling mummy, and have to end the conversation…. Duh!!!!

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    • OGM WTF

      Same here! My partner and I are both infertile and going down the adoption route – apparently that will miraculously make us fertile… OMG WFT!

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  49. Bel

    Our son was conceived via IVF when I was 39. I met my partner at 36, too 2 years to persuade him I was a ‘keeper’ and that we should sprog-up. After 6mths trying I was told I was perimenopausal. We used to joke that our son was my ‘last good egg’. After one IVF miscarriage, three ‘natural’ conception miscarriages and several cancelled or failed IVF cycles trying to give him a sib, it turns out we were right. My lovely friend donated her eggs and today I will find out whether her gift has resulted in new life, when I get my blood test back. I suspect it hasn’t worked….

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    • Anonymous

      Hope you get good news today! xx

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    • Cara

      Oh I wish you every bit of luck in the world for good news today, what an amazing friend you have there. Carax

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    • KH

      Best of luck Bel….. i

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  50. gypsy

    Brilliant post Emily-Jade. I’m about to embark on IVF number 5 and when it eventually works the list of those who made it happen for me will be a mile long – I’m talking acupuncturists to hypnotists – I’ve done it. Yesterday I spent my afternoon at a 3 year old’s birthday party amongst gorgeous mothers and others who were expecting. Not an easy afternoon.
    You article is a timely reminder for me to not give up hope.

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