By CATHERINE DEVENY
Are you okay with the fact that we pay our cleaners more than our childcare educators?
I’m not. And I haven’t been for a long, long time.
Particularly considering the epidemic in helicopter parenting, clipboard holding school shoppers, attachment parenting, after-school cramming classes, co-sleeping, ‘mummy blogs’ and general obsession with providing children with some imaginary perfect life.
The notion of ‘best care’ seems rather selective.
The obsession with the perfect diet, germ free homes, attempted social engineering by selective socialising, harm minimisation through choice of the correct fabrics, risk minimisation with helmets, knee and elbow pads, stranger danger and safe searches.
There has never been more time, energy and thought spent on the raising of babies, toddlers and children, yet we pay our childcare workers such dismal wages it’s leading to 180 childcare educators leaving the sector every week. That’s not good. For anyone. Kids, parents or childcare educators. Why don’t we care? We should.
Parents will brag about how much their kid’s stroller costs and rail at what they pay for childcare, often while often bragging about how wonderful the care, carers and centre is. Yet they’ll be silent or unaware about the federal minimum wage currently being $15.51 per hour, while some childcare workers earn just $15.86 per hour while the highest qualified earn only $23.32 per hour.
(And don’t give me the ‘well some get above award wage’. Don’t damn them with faint praise. Even if they are getting above the award they are still getting at least $5 less an hour than they should for their skill, experience and education. Don’t suggest they feel grateful for not being ripped off AS much.)
Childcare is expensive to provide. Fact. So too is the military, police force, hospitals, border control etc. Fact.
Yet there is no more important investment than childcare.
Childcare is particularly expensive in Australia. But childcare educators are not being paid enough. And no, parents should not be subsiding the wages of childcare workers, nor should it be the providers of care. The government should be subsidising the wages of childcare educators. Simple.
And it’s not a subsidy. It’s an investment. Smack on the wrist for me.
Childcare fees in Australia have increased dramatically over the past 12 months from $63.21 to $70.29 per day. That’s just one day, one child.
No one who cares for children does it for the money. But that doesn’t mean we should just let them be paid dismal wages that do not reflect the demands of the job and the skill, experience and education required.
Time this was rectified don’t you think? For the kids, the parents, the childcare educators and society. Because the care of children is the whole of society’s responsibility and the outcome affects us all.
We need to pay our childcare educators more. This is not a ‘raise’. Childcare workers are not asking for more money. This is a long overdue correction. We have been underpaying them, undervaluing them and overworking them for years, decades and centuries.
My mate Irene Bolger ran the famous nurses strike in 1986. Slogan? ‘Dedication doesn’t pay the rent’. It was very successful and made huge advances in the wages and conditions of nurses. Irene told me most of the other unions were very supportive. But there were some who weren’t. Not that the rise in nurses’ wages would directly affect them. But they didn’t want the nurses’ wages to rise because then they’d ‘just be earning the same as a nurse.’
United Voice Union (one of the largest unions in Australia with 60% membership of women, representing a lot of low paid women such as childcare workers and cleaners), are currently working on a campaign to increase funding for childcare workers nationally (to be topped up by the Government to the tune of 1.4 billion dollars)
I urge you to get behind it.
We must move our emphasis from the ‘more women on boards’ rhetoric to having women and particularly the hundreds of thousands of low paid women – paid fairly. And not begrudgingly, but happily. And a little sheepishly seeing as though we’ve dragged the chain on it and only coughed up after kicking and screaming.
What does the current funding situation say about how we value children? Parents? Women? This ‘being a mother/caring for children is the most important job in the world’ platitude shits me. If it were so great, why aren’t more men doing it? And if it were so important, why aren’t we paying the people who provide the expertise fair wages?
Lack of appropriate and affordable childcare is one of the main barriers to women returning to work.
Here’s something you NEVER hear in the debate. I think secretly, quietly, sub-consciously many people think it’s ‘the mother’s job’ to look after their own children. And if they aren’t doing it and ‘dumping their children in childcare’ it’s okay for them to be punished by expensive childcare of questionable quality that is difficult to access. And the quality of it, well we’re not going to pay these childcare professionals well, so you’ll just have to rely on their dedication and if 180 a week walk away because of low wages and the staff dynamics suffer, let alone the children they are caring for, well perhaps The Mother should have thought of that before she ‘dumped’ them in childcare. As if childcare is some sort of cop out.
Why do I never hear of fathers being accused of ‘dumping children in childcare’? Or why are men NEVER mentioned in the discussions of childcare. Why do I hear both men and women refer to fathers ‘babysitting’ their children? Er, babysitting? I think you’ll find it’s called parenting.
Never is a man at work and does some
one ask ‘Who’s looking after your kids?’ Perhaps they should.
But most stunningly why do I hear and read about women saying ‘Going back to work is not worth if financially. Almost everything I earn is being spent on childcare.’
WHAT? Sorry? When a couple has children, childcare is a shared cost. It’s not the mother’s sole responsibility to provide and finance childcare. What has ever given them that idea? Er, I dunno. Maybe everything.
And if it’s not people seeing caring for children as ‘the mother’s job’ it’s generally seen as ‘women’s work’. Women in Australia earn 83 cents to every dollar men earn and females accounted for 65% of the value of unpaid household work.
That’s right. Pretty much double what men do.
You will hear people push this myth about traditional child rearing. Since when? Traditional child rearing is not one woman in a house with only the children she has given birth too. Traditionally children were cared for in groups by some adults, mostly women, while other adults were sorting food, supplies, shelter and earning money.
Anne Summers said in her keynote address to the State School Teachers’ Union of Western Australia Conference last year that ‘in comparable European countries childcare is integrated into employment and education policies and is either free or very affordable. Only in Australia do we treat childcare for working women as an optional extra available only to the rich. We expect far too many women to subsidise their futures by plowing all of their earnings into childcare.’
Also a small point. Childcare is ace. Most kids love and benefit from the right amount of high quality care. That is my only regret as a parent. That I didn’t have my three sons in more childcare. They only went one day a week. Wished I’d had them in for two. Not only that, I wish I had gone to childcare. I adored kinder. It was like the world was Technicolor! It would have been better for my mum who had three kids under 5, an alcoholic husband and was caring for an elderly uncle.
I met my cleaner when she was working in my son’s crèche. She is incredible with babies and children. She now cleans houses because of the money. She works half the time for double the money. I have met many ex childcare professionals who have left the industry saying, ‘Of all the work I have ever done childcare was by far the most demanding. I loved it though. The kids and the families. I only left because of the money.’
Not everyone has what it takes – the skill, the patience, the education, dedication or love – to work in childcare. It’s long overdue that we all join the chorus saying: pay childcare educators what they are worth. NOT what we have been able to get away with.
And yes, I do want informal childcare (grandparents, family, neighbors friends etc) financially funded too so people have more choices in their care for their children but that’s another column.
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Catherine Deveny is a television comedy writer, comedian, author, social commentator and broadcaster. You can check out her blog here and follow her on twitter here.
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Do women cop to much when it comes to childcare? Are childcarers not given enough money and gratitude?







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Ok, firstly I think that Childcare workers should get paid more!
But, why do we live in this sense of entitlement world where we expect someone else to fund/ pay for it.
Why should I go to work and earn money and someone else subsidise this? Or worse still get my mum to do it for free??? Whilst I happily pay off my mortgage!
We get baby bonuses, tax credits, paid maternity leave, family tax benifit, child care rebates, what more do we want?
Seriously, at what point does having a child become our responsibility?
I’m a mother of 2. School aged & child care age. I think the staff do an excellent job! They should get paid more, but we should take our noses out of our over mortgaged houses & pay more ourselves!
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As someone a cleaner that cleans up a lot of things and places including people’s feces at public toilets, I don’t understand what I have to do with this. Or why my already meager pay has to be questioned. I work hard and I don’t think my work has to be degraded in any way. It must be so hard to afford food and look down upon other people, huh?
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this was very good. i am a year 9 and want to become a primary teacher but things have to change. Fight for change. woop woop. LOL
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Love the article!
I think it’s very disappointing when I am a fully qualified and registered primary teacher who wants to teach Kindy, yet has to ‘upgrade’ his qualifications… And then be paid 20 000 a year less than his equally qualified teacher (teaching in a primary school) wife, just because I work in ‘child care’! What is going on???
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I think women should be paid for staying at home. I do NOT think daycare workers should be paid more. If you gave up a career to take care of your child, you are raising your child’s IQ by 15 points. Not 15%. 15 POINTS. And 15 more points if you nurse. Imagine if all of America was 30 IQ points smarter. Imagine if all of America were better adjusted, more caring, responsible, individuals. That can happen. But one parent has to stay at home. And that parent has to be mom if the kid is going to nurse.
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This is a really interesting debate. It occurs to me that the low salaries of the (mostly) women who work in child care are subsidising the financial/professional success of women working in other industries. I think it shouldn’t just be the mother’s responsibility to sort out the childcare. A mother’s financial and professional success should, for want of a better word, be subsidised by the father, not female childcare workers.
I think one of the main things that needs to change is greater access to flexible work options for men. It is pretty common for women to work part-time after returning from maternity leave. If the father is also able to work part-time, that means both parents are earning a wage, advancing their careers, earning superannuation, and involved in raising the children. For example, the mother could work Mon, Tues, Wed, and the father could work Wed, Thur, Fri. The total family income would be less, but not dramatically so, as each parent would be paying less tax. And instead of needing childcare for the 3 days the mother is at work, only one day would be needed. This would reduce pressures on childcare centres, and may help raise salaries as a family and the government might be willing to pay more if only one day of child care a week was needed, not three.
This is obviously a simplified example using a ‘traditional’ family (and doesn’t account for single parents etc). But the idea still holds true – mothers will always be left behind while fathers are not required to take their share of the load when it comes to sacrifices in the name of childcare.
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We clean more than a professional cleaner aswell not just once a day, over and over. With health risks too.
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Agree with every.word! and looove your gusto, thanks so much for writing about this. it is a dismal state of affairs and the girls at our centre are gold, and adore my boys, I hate that they are paid so little for what I see as the most important job in the world, and hate it when they leave which they all, especially the brilliant ones, do as they get offered teaching roles that pay so much more. Off to sign some petitions! Nxx
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Hi all,
We have 3 days to collect 7000 votes to ask our PM, Julia Gillard, to please answer this question:
“When will you deliver the necessary funding boost to pay early childhood educators a professional wage, so we can fix the child care crisis?”
Please take a couple of minutes to vote at the OURSAY website 7 times (WE can all vote 7 times) to ask PM Gillard to answer this question urgently. WE only have 3 days to make it happen! Please pass on to your friends and family, and see if you can get them to help also.
http://www.oursay.org/hangout-with-the-prime-minister/when-will-you-deliver-the-necessary-funding-boost-to-pay-early-childhood-educators-a-professional-wage-so-we-can-fix-the
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Hi all,
We have 3 days to collect 7000 votes to ask our PM, Julia Gillard, to please answer this question:
“When will you deliver the necessary funding boost to pay early childhood educators a professional wage, so we can fix the child care crisis?”
Please take a couple of minutes to vote at the OURSAY website 7 times (WE can all vote 7 times) to ask PM Gillard to answer this question urgently. WE only have 3 days to make it happen! Please pass on to your friends and family, and see if you can get them to help also.
http://oursay.org/hangout-with-the-p…we-can-fix-the
Thanks,
Lily
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Did you all see the BIG NEWS? The PM has endorsed the childcare campaign!
Read here:
http://www.myunitedvoice.org/cc_bignews
PLease continue to sign the petition: http://www.myunitedvoice.org/child_care_campaign
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What a great article. As a childcare provider in the United States, for one child I get $85 to $90 per week, feed them 2 meals a day, and all the love and care they need. We are not appreciated here either. People have no problems making that $450 car payment each month, but come to childcare, we are the last person the parents want to pay.
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Good article, but as usual it seems to neglect men work in childcare as well. As a male I’ve never earned more than my female colleagues, I’ve always earned the same as everyone else in the same role as me. I have worked in childcare, and currently work in community services industry, both of which are extremely low paying for the work we do. Yet we don’t earn more than the women in our roles.
Back to the article one problem I feel is that society views childcare workers as glorified babysitters that play with kids all day. If only they knew what it was to watch 20 or 30 kids, take notes on their development, report back to parents, program activities with a developmental focus with their interests. A childcare teacher spends 4 years at uni like a primary school teacher, yet doesn’t get classed as a teacher and can’t even join the Teacher’s Federation, and certainly doesn’t get paid at similar levels to a teacher…but who is the one going on strike for better pay and conditions?
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I’m an Australian living in Norway, and it is a very pleasant surprise to see the differences in perceptions on childcare here. Here there is a big focus on career and child-rearing not being mutually exclusive. Paid parental leave is for 12 months (with 12 weeks of that for ther father) and there is absolutely no stigma around putting your child into kindergarten from age 1. Kindergarten is optional for ages 1-5 and research has shown that these ages are the most important for brain development, and so each kindergarten has a head of curriculum to support learning development. Childcare is subsidised by the government, though parents must pay some fees (but a maximum fee is set by the government).
If anything there is a stigma about *not* putting your child in childcare. I’ve heard people say “But if they don’t go to kindergarten, aren’t children’s social skills going to develop too slowly?”
I’m not sure how much they are paid, but society here certainly sets a greater value on early childhood education.
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I pay $95 a day for my 3 yr old, and that doesnt include kindy/pre-school.
Yes, it is WAY above the standard, but the early learning framework that is in place AND practiced is amazing. I asked about the staff’s wages before i enrolled her, and they are earning in excess of 24.00 an hour. It quite clearly shows in the quality of work, and Id be quite willing to pay more if need be.
My daughters eduation/ intergration into life is the most important factor here for me, and I will pay for good quality…just wish it came with a 5year warranty
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For anyone who believes that childcare is “just babysitting” please go onto the earlychildhoodaustralia.org.au website.
It has a forum where early childhood educators discuss the work we do.
It will BLOW YOURMIND how intensive the industry requirements are.
These people are PROFESSIONALS, no doubt about it.
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They don’t deserve more money because childcare is entirely unecessary for a childs education. Childcare centres don’t have any form of curriculum, they just have an early years framework, which includes stuff like play and hygiene & attachment. They do not need to make lesson plans or assess the children or teach them anything at all. 90% of childcare workers are tafe educated ONLY. Yes, there are University level ECH workers but they usually own/manage the childcare centres, not work there.
By trying to increase the amount of pre-school education, a greater gap is being created between the rich & poor. In this supposedly egalitarian society, the rich are indeed getting richer, and they are not stopping. By paying childcare workers more, fees will go up, you can NOT expect the goverment to cover this as it is not needed for everyone, unlike primary & high school education.
This is actually a ridiculous article.
School teachers, on the other hand, are completely underpaid. I know they earn more than childcare workers but its a requirement to have 1 ech worker to every 5 children. School teachers have to deal with 30 kids on their own.
It has been proven that children from stable homes who go to childcare end up worse off emotionally. Children from unstable homes who go to childcare are better off. Usually, unfortunately, the unstable ones don’t tend to get the opportunity to go to childcare. THIS IS ACTUALLY WHAT THEY TELL YOU AT UNIVERSITY.
I have a Bachelor of ECE & Masters in primary education, so trust me.
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I think you’re full of shit and you don’t actually have the qualifications you claim to, so no, don’t think I’ll trust you, brave anonymous poster.
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You aren’t an ECH teacher, or a primary teacher, you are not an expert or even educated on this issue. You have children, that does not make you an expert. You are just a bogan who likes to pry. I suggest you do some reading (of academic research journals, not blogs).
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I’m in the process of that education, actually. Care to direct this prying bogan to some of your choice academic research? Then you can explain to me how you decided that I’m a bogan.
Funny that you only responded to me for calling you out on your crap, when there are other responses too that are just as derisive. Bravo.
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To be fair, your comments really do make you seem like a bogan haha
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Why, because I don’t sugar coat them? What makes me sound like a bogan?
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@Kris2040… thinking you are an .expert on everything…knows nothing..
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No, I comment on what I do know about, and ask questions if I don’t know. First to admit if I don’t know something for sure.
Try harder, brave anonymous poster.
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I think these comments about Kris2040 should be deleted, very unkind and unnecessary.
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You have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about. Why don’t you do some research on the subject instead of talking a bunch on nonsense.
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I take it you’ve never actually set foot inside an early childhood education and care service?
We expect more of our early childhood educators than of our school teachers and have far more stringent legislation enforcing these expectations.
I suggest you work in a centre for a day before you judge….. or ask people to trust you….
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I don’t agree with everything anonymous said, she definitely has some misconceptions about the role of early childhood education in cognitive and social development in children (which is mostly positive)….
…but I don’t think you have ever set foot in a classroom or you wouldn’t be making sweeping statements about the expectations of child care workers being bigger than school teachers. This is far from the truth. Being a school teacher is much harder work… I’ve been on both sides of the fence, I know.
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I too have been on both sides of the fence.
My opinion is that primary teaching is more intellectually challenging but Kindy teaching is MUCH more physically demanding. One job has extra curricular but 12 weeks holidays and the other has one third more ‘contact time’ and 4 weeks off…. Seems to balance, I reckon. So, they should be paid the same… But they aren’t. Hmm….
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If childcare costs more than half combined wages, clearly someone has to stay home or both have to work alternative hours. There is no point in having children, and then paying more than you earn to have someone else take care of them. I would love to stay home with my kids all the time if I could.
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I am mixed about this. I bet their are some fine teachers who are not qualified and other young women who are qualified and pretty crap.
it comes down to a mix I think of well paid people running the centres with people with less strict qualifications underneath and some trainees in the mix. No everyone needs to be fully qualified as long as they are supervised by excellent staff.
I also think we expect a bit much of these people. ll those photo books and documentation of our children’s day. I would much rather have a verbal summary and leave them free to actually interact with kids then document everything they do. School teachers only do reports twice a year why do child care workers have to do it daily?
I really think we expect to much- If we were with our children would we be meeting the criteria? Would the learning out comes be supported? I say a bit of craft, supervised play and a few songs is all we need for toddlers.
My children went to one excellent place and one dive- They all had the same qualifications just once centre had a better vibe from better management.
We can’t pay everyone $40 per hr but I agree if people have a degree or diploma they deserve well above the award wage. maybe we need an award wage for general qualifications?
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School teachers only WRITE reports half yearly, but assessment is ongoing daily. How do you think they know what to teach the kids and what to put in their reports??
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Despite people trying to claim otherwise, school teachers paperwork and accountablity requirements are much bigger than in child care. They may not take photos and write stories about kids every day, but they plan lessons, weekly overviews and unit plans, plan, implement and mark diagnostic, formative and summative testing for several key learning areas, mark day to day work, reflect on all of this testing and lesson delivery and then plan/adjust future teaching, spend hours making resources…. and then at the end of the semester write the report cards. 7 KLAs, for each of 30 children. Individual comments for every KLA for every kid. This takes hours and hours and hours.
Comparing child care workers and teachers is like comparing apples and oranges. It is a different job.
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I just finished an arts degree and was planning on doing post-grad early childhood/primary school teaching next year. However, after talking to several people in both professions, I decided against it, as they told me the pay was terrible and that unless you had a real passion for it, it wasn’t worth it.
$18/hr for enhancing a child’s development?? I get paid more at my casual retail job.
teachers are so so important, at any level- without them, we could never be where we are (i.e i can write this because I was taught to at school, i know not to push people over because this was enforced at pre-school.)
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Love if you were thinking of teaching in a school, the starting wage is more than 56k which is equivalent to $35/hr, and it is more like $50/hr if you do supply/relief teaching. It is quite good money. There are some child care centres starting to set the precedent for their teachers as well – keep your eyes out. If teaching is what you want to do, you can make a good living out of it, childcare centres just aren’t the place to do it YET.
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THIS: “No one who cares for children does it for the money.”
I’m a child care provider in the States; I do it because my heart pulled me here. I was a grad student before, so it wasn’t a huge loss in income to make the career switch. And yet, I’ll be staying home with my baby (due in October) because otherwise, I’d be sending my own child to be taken care of by somebody else, and our net income would be lower than if I stayed home, something our family can’t afford. Yes, that’s right, in the US, I get paid $10/hr, and I make less than child care costs. I’m really excited to get to focus on my own child and am well-suited to stay home, but it *really* gets to me that the choice is being pushed by finances.
I will just never understand it. I spend all day with other people’s children. I love them. I hug them. I pick them up when they fall and make sure they eat their veggies at lunch. I carefully apply their sunblock. I rub their backs while they fall asleep at nap time. And every cent of my pay is resented by some parent or another.
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I hope there are plenty of parents who appreciate the care you give to their children and believe you should be paid much more for giving it.xx
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It is emerging in this debate that there is a distinct ‘chip on the shoulder’ carried by child care workers, compared to the traditional kinder teachers and probably rightly so. You need the same qualifications, you work longer hours than kinder teachers yet people consider you more as baby-sitters.
I see this myself. The child care centres in my local area all advertise themselves as early learning centres yet the parents I know who use them call them creche or daycare. It is the baby-sitting element that is important to those parents, not the educational side. Many parents I know try first to get their child a kinder place then if unsuccessful, “just put them in creche” as “it’s better than nothing.” No offence intended on my part in saying that, it is simply the way daycare is perceived in my sphere. Maybe some good PR is needed by your industry to let everyone know that you are educators foremost because there are a lot of people out there who still don’t believe it is imperative that small children get some education. I mean everything aimed at small children these days claims to improve literacy, numeracy, development etc. (When did little kids stop being allowed to just have fun?)
My daughters have had two years of kinder each and it has been lovely but aside from lots of fun and socialisation, I think I have actually taught them more and got them better prepared for school developmentally than their kinder has.
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By 2014 ALL childcare centres need to have a qualified kinder teacher, by 2020 they need to have 2. Many already do, including the one I work in. Many of my parents tell me they prefer my kinder program to a sessional kinder as the hours are longer and more flexible. I have the same qualifications, I use the same national curriculum & I have a director and team to support me. I agree with you on one thing, our industry definitely needs some good PR, but thats a bit hard when people like you refuse to acknowledge that early childhood education even exists. Look up Reggio Emilia, it might change your mind.
The children in my class all have fun at kinder, they learn through play. They learn to socilaise and to be independent. All things essential for school. Improving literacy, numeracy etc comes secondary to all those other things. This is what the early years learning framework is all about. Might be good for you to look that up too. Finally kinders, pre-schools and childcare centres are all under one curriculum, the way it should be.
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My husband & I both work full time. My son goes to childcare 3 days a week & my daughter did as well before she started school. My daughter now attends after school care 3 days a week. My mother looks after my son for the other 2 days of the week as well as my daughter after school. Both the childcare centres my children attend are fantastic. The staff at both centres are very caring towards my children & develop lesson plans for the children to follow. I believe both my children have benefited greatly from childcare on a number of levels and if I could have afforded it I would have gladly sent them both 5 days a week. They both love going to care & I believe my daughter was able to cope and adjust to kindergarten very quickly due to her times spent in childcare. I think childcare workers should be paid better wages as it is an extremely important job they fulfill. My husband is a primary school teacher & can’t get over the amount of work and planning childcare workers do and they are paid nowhere near as well as teachers – even the early childhood teachers aren’t paid as well and they are tertiary qualified.
I would also like to add I feel no guilt whatsoever in working full time. I believe we are all entitled to make choices in our lives that work best for us & for our families. I have no problem with parents who choose to stay at home full time or choose to work part time. Each to their own.
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Well said. Thank you
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What Australia should change.
Free childcare
Free Aged- care
Higher entry requirements and pay for childcare and aged care workers
Free University for students who pass, on a requirement that they work for at least 10 years in Australia.
NO centrelink for job-seeking age.
Centrelink to be handed out via coupons, so no alcohol/cigarettes/ etc be bought.
Centrelink recipients have an eftpos card akin to a license that is used for benefits.
Public access to all benefit information, to avoid fraud
Food at supermarkets be divided into traffic light codes to identify how healthy. Foods that are unhealthy get higher taxes. Not able to be purchased by those on benefits.
People who have lifestyle based illness, pay for healthcare.
Flat-rate of $10 for all doctor visits.
Any public identities who get fined for breaking the law are charged triple the amount.
Supermarkets etc prohibited to import fresh produce that is available locally.
Dairy farmers get large percentage of selling price (eg $1 per litre milk)
Centrelink recipients only allowed to purchase Australian produce.
Feel free to add more…
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I dont think childcare should be free. Caring for your children or paying for that care if you are unable to do so yourself, is a parental responsibility. Caring for your children involves sacrifice, whether that be financial or personal or both. I dont think providing free childcare will be doing children, parents or childcare workers any favours. The industry workers are after respect and more pay, I cant see this happening if it basically becomes a free drop off service.
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Public schools are free. Why would it be so bad to continue that on to Early Years education as well?
Why is it OK to outsource educating kids from 5, but not before that?
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Public schools are not free, my girlfriends bill for last term for her child at a public school was $500.
And sending your kids to school is the law. I know children who didnt attend preschool at all before they started school, and yes admittedly they did struggle socially, they have not struggled academically at all. My point is early childhood education, while fabulous especially in the 2 years before school, its not essential. Also school is for approx 40 weeks 6 hours per day. I’m sure there are many children who attend daycare 50 weeks per year 10 hours per day. Why should that be free?
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100% agree with you. Early years education is completely unnecessary. Early years socialisation, on the other hand is necessary. I did not go to daycare, I went to Playgroup once a week & Pre-school once a week. I was a social butterfly, and academically gifted from my first day of primary school. I didnt even have any form of emotional attachment to my mother cos she was a drunk! So its not cos i came from a stable home, in fact it was far from stable.
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Public schools actually are free – it’s a nominal contribution, not a compulsory fee. If you don’t pay your kids won’t get excluded.
I’ve been talking to teachers about when to start school – they all agree that social development is the big thing – they’ll all catch up academically, but pre-school kids do fare better. Sorry to burst your bubble.
I don’t understand why you have such a problem with it being considered like school and treated as the necessity it is for many of us rather than a luxury? And yes, it’s compulsory to send your kids to (government funded, free if you need it) school from when they’re 5/6. My point is, why can’t the funding be extended to earlier? Kindy starting age is arbitrary anyway – my friends living in the UAE have their son at full time school (uniform and all) and he’s been going since he was 3. It’s the norm there. Why can’t it be here, rather than the ridiculous hodge podge we have running at the moment?
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I agree it should be compulsary from 3 but only 2 days per week. Thats all a child of that age needs. Any more than that and it is simply to allow the parents to do something else with their time.
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public high schools are NOT free!
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Show me a public high school where a kid would be excluded for not paying fees. It doesn’t happen because it can’t happen.
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Anon, where have I (or indeed has anyone) said that it should be compulsory? I was pointing out that school starting age is arbitrary – it could be higher or lower. That’s all.
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Kris2040, I know children who have been denied handouts in class because their fees were not paid. It does happen.
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Kris exclusion may be extreme in most state high schools, but they nearly all have a fee scheme like this:
http://cairnsshs.eq.edu.au/wcms/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=194&Itemid=669
And believe me, the admin staff chase the fees up. They are compulsory irrespective of the consequences of not paying… which would eventually be exclusion.
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Yes they’ll chase people up for not paying fees, but if you can’t afford them you’re not going to get your kids expelled from a public school because of it.
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Speech Pathology – free
This is so expensive (I know, because I am one) and it really does exclude the poor. The “free” speech pathology available to under 5s in Victoria has waitlist of 18 months so often the kids are already off at school (where there is no free speech path) or if they are seen, the problem has worsened, the stress has increased, the relationship b/w child & parent is tense….
Love this article Catherine.
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Don’t count on my vote! Who pays for all these ‘FREE’ things in the end?
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What sort of la la planet do you live on?
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Jeez I’m glad you’ll never be in charge of the country – fascism isn’t a regime I’d like to live under.
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Free Childcare ??? You will find plenty of parents who cant be bothered taking care of their responsibility ( Their children ) placing them into care 5 days a week , 10 hours a day …. No way to free childcare….. You should pay for someone to look after your child and look after what is essentially your responsibility
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I agree Natasha. For every attentive adoring parent whose child attends daycare and is well cared for and loved there are parents whose kids are a pain in the arse to them and who they cant wait to drop at care and leave them there for as long as possible. Free childcare would only make that worse.
And where would that leave families who have a parent leave work to do the caring fulltime themselves. Watching other families earn 2 incomes and have their kids cared for 50 hours pw for free while they battle away on one income and do the caring themselves. As a society thats not setting a very good example to our kids.
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There are lots of different sides to this debate and I personally don’t believe there is a simple solution. I think it will take time to change.
I must comment however, that I have spoken to a number of early childhood colleagues who have commented that wages in Australia are much better than other countries – for example in Germany a diploma qualifield group leader earns about AU$15/hr, in the US it is only between AU15-16 dollars and similar in the UK. This doesn’t mean we should accept the way it is in Australia, but we should take note of how far we have actually come in this industry.
I just wanted to point out also, that cert III and cert IV is not level or equal across industries and trades and it is not helpful to compare them. For example a childcare cert III takes someone about 6-12 months to complete on the job. I’ve seen the content and it is not rocket science. An electician or other trade apprenticeship takes 4 years to complete on low wages with a full day of tafe every month. The signing off of components is stringently regulated because you are talking about peoples lives being at risk.
Conversely in childcare, there is cert III qualified staff in excess. It isn’t hard to get – I know that sounds cynical, but it is true. Teenagers who have no idea what they are doing get their cert III at high school. It is a horrible way to view it, but we all know there is truth in that. And not only is there an excess of these staff, but many centres sign off certs and diplomas through an independent provider rather than through tafe. There are fabulous and passionate staff coming out the other end with qualifications but dodgy signing off still happens. We need to regulate the qualifications in the child care industry and will see the qualifications really begin to mean something. I think once it is law to have early childhood teachers in child care centres we will start to see some changes because centres will be forced to shape up or they will be out of business. They will have to pay the right wage to the teachers or they will just not be able to get teachers on board and they will lose their licenses.
It is sad that people have such a low regard for child care workers, but I believe we have to work at upskilling to change that view. It would be nice if they raised the child care award first, but I don’t see it happening. However if centres value their staff and qualifications there is nothing stopping them from paying above the award and attracting the best staff they can to the centre. I have seen this done and the result is a better reputation, higher staff retention and longer enrolment waiting lists. As it stands, many centres are there to make profit and therefore have higher numbers of unqualified staff and higher staff turnover. I think a lot needs to change in the industry and I suppose whether or wages are the first thing to change is the big question.
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I wonder if the decision some parents are making, where they determine child care to be too expensive to have a second parent working, may in part be why there is such a skills shortage in Australia at the moment? Perhaps if we have more contributions to ensure good child care, we would have more people coming back into the workforce with their skills intact.
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I think it’s a sad world when some people have such a low regard for those who care for our most precious asset. Our children. Makes me want to leave the industry, yes the wages are crap but for me the comments I have read on this site are way worse.
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Unfortunately, when you work in a field that is focused on caring and nurturing – rather than making money – you will never bring home a decent pay packet. I know, because I work in a field like that. As do MANY of my female friends. All the while, our male partners are making far more because they (big generalisation coming) tend to work in industries that are focused on making money!
Crappy biological destiny?
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I think our child are workers are amazing! My kids attend a not for profit community day care and I’m on the management committee and see the dedication of the staff and the director but I also see the increase in fees to cover costs – not make a profit but just to cover cost to provide good – not excessive care to our children. Put up the expenses means an increase in fees which means you put child care out of reach of struggling families. Not an answer I know just something to consider….
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I love my childcare ladies and I’m slightly scared of them. Tina Fey mentioned she was more nervous of her childcare ladies than TV executives and I concur.
Stupid people commenting below that they are basically baby sitting have no idea. They are vital to my child’s development and we work as a team monitoring the different stages of her progress. It takes a village to raise a child and I value my village. I don’t care for the work v stay at home debate it’s immature because some people have no choice but the debate about how much these people earn is important. People do a lot less for a lot more money and I see them everyday.
Pay our childcare professionals lots of money they deserve every cent.
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I have only had time to read about half of the comments below. The general feeling is that of negativity and strong opinions, so……. just to change the vibe in the room I’m going to talk about myself
I am a nearly middle-aged mum who has just recently re-entered the workforce as my youngest went off to school I decided that I wanted to work with young children so spent over 12 months studying to get the MINIMUM qualification to work in childcare. I have now been working in childcare for 1 and a half years, and am now studying for my Diploma which will soon be the MINIMUM qualification for me to work in my chosen role. Luckily my employer is paying for me to study this time, as I would not have the time, money or resources to do it otherwise.
Luckily my husband was working in a well-paying job, so my measely $18.42 wage wasn’t a problem. Unfortunately he is currently out of work, so I am supporting a family of 4 on just over $605 a week (Centrelink say this is possibloe). I occasionally joke about leaving my job for a better paying one, but only on my “bad” days (highly strung children, short a staff member, have a headache etc). I reckon I would still turn up to work if they paid me NOTHING.
I work in a very low socio-economic region, and most of the families that I work with are either 2 parents holding down numerous part time jobs to support their families (while some are studying also) or single parents who are just trying to find work wherever they can to support their families. I adore them ALL. They are fine families who are just doing what they need to do to survive.
I will be honest and say that there are some children who would benefit from less time in childcare, but in general ALL the children I care for are benefitting from being there. Life is about balance, and we are able to provide an environment and curriculum that these children would not otherwise get.
On the other side of the sword, my children attend after school care. They LOVE it, and always complain (in good humour) when it is time to leave. It is a great social time for them to spend with their school friends. The carer there once joked “don’t come so early, take the opportunity to get your shopping done or grab a coffee with a friend after work”. This care is $20 per child, per session. I pay about $6 per child after govt assistance. Paying this allows me to have a job, for which I am eternally grateful.
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I want you to look after my kids!!!
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Thanks Gengen, I would love to look after your kids…..
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I am Qualified in Early Childhood and a Primary Trained Teacher. My passion lies within children 0-5 years, I have never chosen to work in a Primary School.
I understand and fully respect that all mothers have choices re: childcare/stay at home and this comment is not directed at that choice.
But I really take offence at people who ‘de value’ child care/ early childhood education. I’ve watched this post grow continually with remarks like ‘shoving them in child care’ , early childhood is a laugh, and even “Early childhood” in it’s inverted comas.
I am a passionate teacher, I work hard for little money. If parents choose to place their child in childcare I will ensure that they learn, have opportunities to investigate, have beautiful environments to play in, laugh, build friendships and have a great time while their parents work. I also have had the opportunity to be welcomed into so many families over the years.
I am paid little. My job is not valued and quite often my job is passed off as ‘playing all day’ and doing very little else.
Thank you to everyone who believes I should be paid more.
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Hear, bloody hear.
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Well bloody said!
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I live in a regional area and there are quite a few childcare centres locally. My next door neighbour’s daughter did her C3 Childcare course at Tafe as well as C4 and Diploma, each year completing the required work placement component of the courses, and volunteering at different childcare centres 5 days a week to obtain varying experience. After 4 years of study, 1000′s and 1000′s of unpaid volunteer work for two years, she was still unable to get even a casual childcare position locally. In her mid-20′s she moved to the city to pursue work in childcare which she was extremely passionate about. Due to poor wages, she could only obtain share accommodation living with 4-5 uni students, and took a second job on weekends to save up for a car as she couldn’t get a loan based on her income and rent. 12 months later after literally working 7 days a week, the employer from her second job offered her f/t position and due to the poor pay she left the childcare field to work in another industry. It’s hard to find people who are passionate about their work and it takes a special person to commit to working in childcare – let’s pay them their worth.
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The 180 staff a week leaving the industry – does this figure include all the people who are put through a Cert III Traineeship and at the completion of the traineeship, the Centre doesn’t continue their employment and instead gets a new trainee?? … fairly common practice in the industry unfortunately.
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It’s certainly a job that i personally couldn’t do. That being said, what exacty does a child care worker do? It isn’t a teaching job in any sense of the word. There are no structured classes, no lesson plans, no home work marking. Yes there is a degree but it’s not a university degree, unless you complete an Early Education degree which few child care workers would generally obtain as it’s more a pre teaching degree.
I’m not saying it’s an easy job, however its a job where you need little qualifications, you’re basically baby sitting a group of kids and basically painting, playing games and similar activities. It’s not considered a professional job so what would be considered an appropriate wage?
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Are you kidding me? You obviously don’t have a clue what goes on in a childcare centre if you actually think that everything you just said is true.
I have a 4 year degree, a TEACHING degree. From a UNIVERSITY. Each child in my care has their own portfolio full of observations, photos, artwork etc. I use these things to plan for their individual learning. I spend HOURS a week in my own time completing the documentation & organising lesson plans. ALL children in childcare are individually planned for, from 6 weeks old to kinder age. THIS IS A REQUIREMENT. So get your facts straight before you comment.
Whilst not everyone in childcare has a degree, most childcare EDUCATORS (yes thats what we are called now) have 2 year diplomas. Plus they also have first aid, asthma and anaphylaxis training. Many staff also do HOURS of professional development each year. We work under much stricter and rules and regulations than primary schools and do just as much, if not more work at home to ensure the children we teach get the best, all this WITHOUT school holidays.
The fact you said this, is just insulting…
“you’re basically baby sitting a group of kids and basically painting, playing games and similar activities”
No were not “basically baby sitting” – we are educating children through play. If you bothered to inform yourself on anything to do with this topic, you’d know thats how young children LEARN. There are so many other things you failed to mention that childcare educators do, but Im not going to waste my time when you clearly dont get it.
Many jobs are not considered to be professional by small minded people like yourself, yet they still get paid much more. All childcare educators want is to be appreciated & paid fairly.
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I’m sorry but if you want a high paying job – don’t work in this industry! I’m so over people whinging about their wages. You chose your own job! Yu know the wages and conditions when you entered the profession. Don’t like the conditions? DON’T DO THE JOB!!!
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You’re missing the point. If no one fought to get better conditions, all industries would still have horrible pay and crap conditions. I love my profession, I am passionate about it. Loving your job and getting crap pay doesn’t have to go hand in hand. Id like to believe things will change. I wasn’t whinging either, i was clarifying some facts that were completely mistaken.
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Great attitude to have… if everyone who is not paid well (and we are talking about minimum wages here) left these industries we would not have workforce! What an ignorant and uneducated view.
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Very few child care workers have a university degree. Most just have a TAFE qualification. I’m not taking away how much work you do, however you are still looking after kids under 5. What exactly are you teaching them? You’re not talking about high school algebra. Most of the activities you do with them are around playing games, painting, drawing and other such activities.
If you want a better paying job and you did go to university, become a primary school teacher. Better wages, conditions and holidays. You choose your own job, so why complain when the wages you were already aware of, is the wages you are getting?
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You’re right, most childcare educators only have a tafe qualification. Yet many jobs dont need any qualifications and still get paid more. No one is asking that childcare educators get paid the same as teachers (i did 4 years at uni and i can see that’s unfair), however $18 an hour is pathetic. You get more working at coles. I could teach at primary school if I wanted to (my degree allows it) but early childhood education is my passion and I am going to stick with it. As a teacher in childcare i do get paid better than most, but that doesn’t mean I cant stand up for my colleagues who work just as hard as I do.
No i dont teach my 4-5 year olds algebra, however teaching kinder isn’t as easy as you might think. I dont have a text book to help me get my lesson plans from – it all comes from knowing the children, observing them, listening to them and then providing them with activities which follow their interests. It is much more involved than you may think.
I remember high school, most of my teachers were pathetic, you cant compare to the two – yet they are equally as important.
If we want to attract better qualified staff, there needs to be some incentive, because passion alone does not pay the rent and this industry isn’t going to disappear anytime soon.
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At the risk of sounding super-offensive (sorry in advance), I do know someone who manages an outside-hours school care at a local primary school, who has NO completed qualifications. She admitted to me that she had never finished any quals but she had worked in childcare for so long and at so many centres throughout the years, that nobody ever asked. Just putting it out there. I don’t think you could become a primary or high school teacher without proof of completed qualifications.
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Well can you please tell this person that she is putting the industry back quite a few years, and thanks from me and everyone else who does the right thing, and continually upgrade thier qualifications, skills and personal development. Makes me so angry!
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“As a teacher in childcare i do get paid better than most, but that doesn’t mean I cant stand up for my colleagues who work just as hard as I do.”
I do get paid more than $18, i get close to what a teacher at a sessional kinder gets, im not that silly! I dont get school holidays off etc though. I was just saying that my colleagues who work just as hard as i do but only have a “TAFE” (oh the shame) qualification arent so lucky.
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I know a whole centre like this – you dont need to have Childcare qualifications to work in childcare, you just need to currently be STUDYING childcare. This means you could do ONE subject per year and work in childcare – and if noone checks then you dont have to do any study at all!
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Your centre must be breaking some kind of law by paying a 4 yr qualfied teacher $18/hr. Most centres pay diploma staff 21-23 dollars/hr. Find a new centre. By 2014 when centres are forced to have a teacher on board, they will have to compete with wages. There are already many centres paying their teachers close to the teachers award. You are letting your centre walk all over you – please don’t let them.
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You might have the luxury of going to another workplace in the city, but in regional areas where employment rates are high you just can’t do that as you’ll end up losing your job and having no job to go to as everyone knows everyone in town
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“As a teacher in childcare i do get paid better than most, but that doesn’t mean I cant stand up for my colleagues who work just as hard as I do.”
I do get paid more than $18, i get close to what a teacher at a sessional kinder gets, im not that silly! I dont get school holidays off etc though. I was just saying that my colleagues who work just as hard as i do but only have a “TAFE” (oh the shame) qualification arent so lucky.
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ohhhh, ok. Sorry Helen. I’m glad you are at least being paid a decent wage. I have managed to find a wonderful centre (long daycare) which is paying it’s teachers under the teachers award and has the same hours and holidays as teachers. I hope this becomes more widespread so that teachers like yourself stay in the industry. I say this because as a beginning teacher, I would not stay in it without the pay and conditions as incentive. I’d choose sessional kinder or prep or grade 1 or even 2 because I love the 4-8 yrs age group equally. I just want to teach and I will do it wherever I am valued and able to learn the most.
Guest, I am sorry those are the circumstances for you and that you are afraid to leave your workplace. I live in a regional area too, though in a town of 200k people and it is not as you describe so I can afford to be a little picky. I hope your wages and conditions improve in your current workplace if you cannot leave
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Anonymous, you’re being very rude. Even if all child care workers did was babysit (and I’m aware they don’t do just that), it’s still a very valuable job. They have care of our children. I’d be guessing you’re in a high paid profession with no kids??
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I’m interested to know just how much you know about primary school teachers ‘conditions’.
My GF has just started primary school teaching, she is working quite late each night because as you may or may not be aware primary school teachers don’t get spare periods like secondary teachers do! They don’t knock off once the bell rings- there is a heck of a lot of work going on outside of the classroom. As for holidays most of this time is used for preparation for the following term.
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and I find it highly insulting that you think ECH teachers do more than primary school teachers. Have you ever actually used a school curriculum? I DARE you to compare it to the framework ahaha
Children have left ECH centres with horrible literacy & language development because none of the staffmembers even spoke english. The individual portfolios of students are mainly to satisfy the parents, which is why they are filled with photos of the children having fun and engaging in craft with other children.
The milestones that children reach during this period are indeed phenomenal and important, but it is nothing compared to dealing with thirty students ALONE. ECH teachers work hard and their work is important, but nowhere near as crucial as primary teachers.
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Settle down Geri, no one is having a go at primary school teachers. I am a qualified early childhood/primary teacher, so yes i have compared the two curriculums. So i DARE you to stop being such a narrow minded know all and do some research.
My passion is in early childhood, so that’s why i work as a kinder teacher, it does not mean i do not value the importance of primary school. I work in Victoria and our early years framework actually goes to the age of 8, so we have a strong link with the primary school curriculum. We also have to complete transition statements at the end of the year to pass on to the prep teachers. These are extremely detailed, probably just as detailed as any primary school report.
On top of that each month I complete several observations on each child. I have 45 children in my class. Not all there on the same day, so I have to juggle that as well – planning for children that come 5 days a week, and some that come 1 day. It is very difficult. We also complete weekly lesson plans, evaluations etc…the list goes on. We do not get school holidays to do any of this either.
We are also with the children for 8 hours a day, not 6 hours like primary school teachers. The two jobs really cant be compared. They are equally as important and probably equally as hard. My son starts school next year and i really hope he doesn’t get a teacher like you with that attitude about education. We should all be supporting each other, not making racist statements about children not knowing English. I really doubt that had ANYTHING to do with their early childhood education.
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Im also a qualified ECH/primary teacher, just to be clear. Also, I was not being racist, at all. They literally do not speak english and it’s difficult for parents to communicate with the workers. I could name 4 different centres where the children come out worse off because of this – all in Chatswood – a high SES area. Its virtually impossible to communicate with some of the workers, I know a small polish child who started developing a Korean accent, his languge skills were so bad his mother had to quit work just so she could pull him out and stay home with him for 6 months before kindy! Academically & cognitively he is spot on – except for his language. They took him to a speech pathologist and said physically nothing was wrong, it was entirely learnt because of the way the workers spoke.
If you truly are qualified, then I’m sure youre aware that they are making the curriculum national, and its K-12 only. Its being changed to be more like the NSW curriculum as it is far more advanced than the other ones.
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It’s a job that you personally couldn’t do because you have no idea what they actually do!
My daughter goes to an Occasional Care Centre, and even for the Occasional Care kids they have a structured program that they all follow each day. They are also learning how to interact with other kids and adults, how to go to the toilet and other hygeine procedures, how we eat in groups, the pre-school kids go on excursions as part of their curriculum…
Before you write it off maybe learn about what they do at centres, hey?
A degree makes you a professional, yes? So Early Years teachers, with degrees are professionals, right?
And plenty of people do Tafe quals and get treated with more respect than childcare workers.
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Totally agree with you, my son is in full time care, the carers take him to kinder and he will learn and be equipped with skills he needs before he is ready for school. All children are required to have a certain skill “pack” before they can be enrolled at school. The development plans carers use, ensure they will be ready.
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I am currently completing a Primary education degree. I don’t have children of my own. I’m in my 20s. But anyone with half a brain knows that the years before primary school are critical in a child’s development.
To suggest that early childhood workers do nothing but play is ridiculous, and just plain insulting.
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This might have been mentioned already but what I think is a concern is the quality of some child care workers. While some are fantastic and highly educated people, my understanding is that someone can become a child care worker through a TAFE course (I’m in QLD, don’t know if it’s different in every state). I know this sounds terrible, but I know a few girls I went to school with who have become child-care workers are people I wouldn’t want having any influence over my children and to be brutally honest, I don’t think they are suitable for the job at all. Again, let me stress, I’m not saying all child care workers.
In my opinion, it should be a much more highly skilled job with more intensive study, and then it deserves a higher rate of pay.
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Childcare workers are definitely not paid enough. But until people start valuing their children’s education more, it will stay that way. As someone else pointed out, perhaps if childcare workers were required to obtain a degree (as primary school and high school teachers are), the starting salary/award wage would be much higher, and thus attract more people to that profession (and keep them there).
After the government subsidy, I pay $51 per day for my toddler (who is in daycare 2 days per week), which is roughly $6.50 per hour – I don’t understand why people think this is expensive! This is CHEAP!
I disagree with the author that childcare should be the responsibility of the government. Parents should not have children, or more than one child, if they cannot afford to pay for them. If you can’t afford to pay $6.50 per hour for childcare, either stay home to look after them yourself, or don’t have them.
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From my circle of friends, relatives and acquaintences, the main people who complain about the cost of childcare are the people who returned to fulltime work within the first year of their childs life. The people who only use childcare 2 or 3 days pw and care for their kids themselves the rest of the week think its great value and would happily pay more to have their kids cared for.
If people had actually had to do it themselves for a reasonable amount of time full time they wouldnt complain about the cost. If they valued and appreciated how hard it is to care for 1 child well all day every day, not to mention 3 other children at the same time, as they do in a centre, they wouldnt complain at all.
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Here we go, another opportunity to have a crack at full time working Mums.
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Not at all. Just a crack at the people who complain about the cost for having their kids very well cared for.
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I am SAHM and have to agree with you. It’s not a dig at working mums at all, just like any job, you only know what it’s like if you’ve experienced it. If you haven’t (and your child is constantly changing, so your job description does too), you’re just not aware of the value of getting a genuine break. Of course many working mums work their arse off ensuring quality time happens in the evenings-but the hours during the day are much longer, and at times harder to fill, than say 5-8pm.
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By 2014 all centres will need at least one degree qualified teacher. By 2020 they will need 2 and so on over a number of years.These teachers aren’t going to pop out of no where and centres could never afford to pay for these teachers unless the government pays their wage. (like school teachers)
I know this, because i am a teacher working in a childcare centre and my pay is crap and i dont get school holidays etc. This will only change if the government helps out.
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It’s even cheaper when you factor in the rebate. $25 a day for childcare is very cheap.
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I’ve just put my two into child care, I had been on maternity leave for 3 years, one wage coming in to pay all the bills and our home loan, I went back to work part time 2 days a week, I refused to put my kids into care… Why have kids if your going to pay for someone else to raise them.?!? My parents looked after them for me. Just recently due to financial reasons to decided to return to work full time, I’ ve been dealing with the guilt ever since. It’s so expensive and we are not really any better off…. Where does the money go? The ladies who look after my babies are great! Why don’t they earn better pay?? They should and they deserve it. I’m glad that my kids enjoy kindy so much so they don’t want to leave some days! These lovely ladies are worth more than they get paid… Our fee’s are going up I pay $74 and $73 a day…. What do those lovely ladies get??
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People shouldn’t be having kids if they don’t want to pay for them. You say that all these children will be future taxpayers but do we have any proof of that? They might be equally reliant on government hand-outs to raise their own families.
The people whose taxes GREATLY subsidise part a, b, rent assistance and childcare are unlikely to need old age pensions. So is this system of getting everybody to foot other people’s decision to have big families fair? We should look to much of the world where it’s a user-pays system.
Britain had such great welfare and where did it get the country? Teenagers having babies who grow up to be teenagers having more babies. When there are not enough jobs, the lot goes rioting on the streets. Now, why does the tax payer have to pay for other people’s decision to have kids only to have society turned upside down?
If you can’t afford kids, save up for them. That’s what they did in the old days.
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Ummm, I really strongly agree.
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Yes, the user pays system works so well in the US, doesn’t it? Need medical assistance and you’re not covered by a health plan through your employer? That’s $5000 for your hospital stay! Credit cards welcome!
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All the Australian system supports currently is either the highly paid extreme where there is so much excess salary that childcare costs are irrelevant, or the lower class that cannot afford it anyway and choose to stay at home with gov benefits. It is the middle class Australians who perhaps need two wages to pay for things like the increasing electricity, insurance, private health, water, rates, body corp, phone, internet that are struggling to find a way to pay for childcare. Sure it is easy for people to say then just have one child don’t have another if you can’t afford it. It is sad that a country as wealthy as Australia needs to suggest this to our middle class because having two children in daycare comes to $100 per day which is $500 a week. Sickens me that people think that it is not a goverment responsibility to help more. Open more government run centres, help people get back into the workforce, help the skills shortage, help middle class people reproduce rather than needing migrants to fill places in our country or lower socio-ecconimic who keep having kids because they get better tax cuts than the middle class.
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“help middle class people reproduce rather than needing migrants to fill places in our country”
Oh yes, it’s very important that we make more white people, instead of importing brown people / sarcasm.
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What a wonderful idea – with the sky high cost of living (rent, food, electricity, water) only the rich should be able to have children. Or perhaps, the rest of us should ‘save up’ by using less food, electricity, water etc.
My husband and I both work full time and can barely make ends meet. We do without luxuries. Under your definition, my two children shouldn’t be here because we’ve had to rely on government subsidies to afford daycare. Can you imagine my joy when my youngest child finally started school and we finally dumped the soul-sucking daycare fees?
Don’t generalise. There are an awful lot of people out there doing the very best they can – even if you don’t think it’s enough.
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Catherine, I just wanted to say thank you – I have been in the early childhood industry for 12 years, the most emotionally rewarding job I have ever had – the money however is appalling, I have now joined the fight to get professional wages for my ex-workmates so that other people don’t have to make the decision that they can afford to sacrifice and work in the industry, which is what my wife and I did 5 years ago when I was ready to leave the industry.
From the bottom of my heart thank you for your passionate words, hopefully together we can all get the industry professionals the pay that they are worth!
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So I worked in after school care during my first few years of uni. I’ve also been a babysitter for over a decade. I wanted to go into childcare after uni. But my experiences led to me choosing not to, on the top of the list was the pay. babysitting has shown me parents don’t want to pay to have their children the most precious thing in their lives looked after, I would often have parents try and haggle my rates, regularly they would agree to the rate before they left the child with me and upon their return try and haggle it down. whatever hire the girl on gumtree who offers rates of $10 an hour, yet has no qualifications.
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I qualified as a Pre-School Mothercraft Nurse 22 years ago, at the age of 21. I had worked as a Nanny prior to starting my course (at 17) and often cared for a baby while the parents travelled on business – 70 hours straight on $5 an hour.
For my course we attended class from 9-4 every day, five days a week and sometimes on weekends. Feburary to December. No Uni times there!
We worked bloody hard and were expected to demonstrate a level of knowledge, skill and professionalism that went way beyond our qualification level and pay. Every 8 weeks or so we went on placement (in various settings, child care centres, hospitals, kindergartens etc) to demonstrate the skills we had learned thus far in our course. We worked for free. Any hint of not reaching a high standard meant fail, and repeat placement. This course was not for the faint hearted or lazy. Much like the feild we were getting ready to enter into to.
Over the next 10 years I variously raised my own son and worked in children’s services; one job with 5 babies in my care alone for 9 hour days, 5 days a week….. Try that job out if you think you like babies!!!
I variously cared for children, supervised other staff, supervised students, developed and implemented educational plans for all children, met with parents etc for a grand sum of $12 an hour… I also managed children’s services with staff etc and huge responsibilities for $17 per hour, working long exhausting hours. I then went on to study further and teach students, and then childcare staff, the pay only then started to reflect my worth.
I left that profession to return to serious study as I just couldn’t see a future inchildcaret that looked good for anyone; the children, the parents, the staff and our community.
I absolutely adore children, still. I was fantastic at what I did, many said I was very talented and a great loss to the profession. I miss working with children in that way; while tough it is very beautiful to be of a child’s life and give love and care so generously.
I now am a psychologist and mainly work with parents and children. Most of the skills I use now were the brilliant ones I learnt 22 years ago, they have seen me through lots of jobs and careers and have made me a valuable asset to any organisation, let alone parenting my own child.
We used to have a federally subsidised child care system that allowed centres to meet the needs of children to a very high standard, and not make profit. We have to pay our professionals properly, the field is dominated by poorly trained or untrained young staff because people like me left to make a living wage elsewhere.
Children who attend childcare full-time between the ages of 6 months and 6 years spend more time in total in childcare, than their time in both primary and secondary schooling combined!
And during the period of the greatest brain development in their life. We owe it to our children and ourselves to take this issue seriously.
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I find it interesting the statement that we all think mothers should be at home looking after their children.
I have been a SAHM for years and I definitely don’t think that – do I think a ‘parent’ should be looking after the kids? Yes I do! I don’t care if it is the mother or the father – if a mother and father choose to have kids then they should be interested enough to be around for them. It breaks my heart that people will proudly say that they were back at work full time a couple of months after giving birth – all I can think of is a tiny eight week old baby that is in care from 6am-6pm. Newborns aren’t even awake all that much – how much of those precious few hours do they even see the faces of their parents? I don’t care if it is the mother or the father that gives the child the nurturing they deserve – I just don’t think it should be a child care worker doing it.
I think a lot of the problems in our society could be aided by people being there more their kids, whether they are the mother or father. People outsource the caring for their kids at ridiculously young ages to someone else who teaches the child their morals, values, place in the world etc, and then they complain when they child doesn’t seem to have their parents values – how on earth where they supposed to get the right values when they never see them?
I know that the standard response to this line of thought is that the Dads earn more so it falls to the mother – I get that. I just think having kids is a choice, and if you choose to do it, you choose the whole kit and kaboodle which includes being responsible for the welfare of your kids and not expecting someone else to raise them.
I am absolutely going out on a limb with this viewpoint and I know it will be far from popular because it is not politically correct to say that parents should be raising their own children. We want everything and we want it now, and the idea of slowing down our lives for a few precious years to give our kids a good start in life is not apparently something that our society values at all. That says a lot of sad things about our society I think. We can’t get our ‘village’ back when no one is around for it and are off chasing the almighty dollar and everything the advertisers tell us we need in our lives (things, experiences, lifestyles etc).
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Dear Mum of 2,
With all due respect, this has little to do with political correctness (or lack thereof) and a hell of a lot more to do with privilege (your position). Well done you for missing the point about underlying structural, cultural, economic and historical conditions to which Deveny alludes.
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Lilly, I beg to differ. I dont think its privelege at all. If its considered an important choice and a priority for a family they will make sacrifices to make it happen so that one parent can be at home.
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Anon, choice IS a privilege. If you don’t believe me, you haven’t questioned your own privilege.
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Lilly everyone has a choice, some people just wont or cant see it.
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Lilly I have written a response to one of the other replies to my original post that tells you a bit more about the apparent position of privilege that I am making my comments from…
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It’s not always financially possible for both parents to stay at home. It just isn’t. I think Lilly was meaning that you are in a privileged position of being able to afford this. It’s unfair and illogical for you to believe that every single family in Australia can afford to only have one parent working, or that they are somehow not sacrificing enough to make this happen if they don’t. Some people don’t live lavish lifestyles but work low payed (but important) jobs and need the extra income just to survive. Some people may have extra bills that you don’t – a chronically unwell child/grandparent for example.
You ARE lucky.
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Yes I’m lucky – I have two fantastic kids.
Just to give you some of the background of the priveleged position that I am apparently making these comments from…
My husband and I managed to make things work with one income, two kids and an income of around $35,000 a year. One of these children had special needs. And this wasn’t thirty years ago – my kids are still young.
We are in a better position now, but we definitely weren’t previously and we made a deliberate choice that it was still more important for our kids to be raised by us rather than a childcarer.
I have been a low income SAHM, I have been a Mum of special needs child (well actually I still am one!) and even in those situations if you make a choice, in the vast majority of cases it is possible to do it. We didn’t do overseas holidays (heck we could hardly afford any ‘close by’ holidays), we didn’t do meals out, or even get to the movies very often at all (maybe once in 12 months?), but it IS possible to make it work.
There are certainly some cases where childcare is necessary and both parents need to work (or obviously this is true in single parent families), but I would argue that in the vast majority of couples who make this claim it is simply not true! I now live in an area where at least one partner in most of the couples at least partner around earns about $100,000 a year (usually more) and I can tell you there are an awful lot of these couples where the spouse will tell you that they are working, and the kids are in childcare, because they NEED the money.That is not true (unless they count the boats, investment properties, overseas holidays etc as basic necessities). Their kids don’t need these things – they need their parents. As I said in my post our kids deserve parents that will slow down their lives for just a short precious few years and put the kids first. If this means that for a while they don’t have the finer things in life so be it! They are little for such a short time!
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Bravo Mum of 2. You said it, what does ‘Need to work’ these days really mean? I always compare my situation to that of my grandmother’s generation and women of third world countries. That soon separates the needs from wants!
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Thanks Jash!
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if the fees keep increasing and the workers annual/ (pittance)hourly rate are staying the same – where is the money going towards?
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You know what I have noticed with these types of posts? Besides ‘The Wounded Bull’ and a few other males on here, men just do not want to participate in these types of discussions. Totally proves the point that Catherine is making in the second half of the post.
And from what I have seen, when men do get involved, it is normally in the “business” side of childcare.
Having men like the disgraced CEO of ABC Learning Centers Eddie Groves profiting so lucratively off the ownership of childcare centres doesn’t really help this issue. He didn’t create that business from an altruistic point of view, he did it to get rich and ran it like any savvy business man would have done. He treated the parents and children like clients and he reduced the cost of his overheads by paying his staff bugger all. He exploited child care workers that do the job for the “love” of it and at one point that nearly made him the richest man in Australia!!
Childcare should be non for profit exercise as far as I am concerned. Greedy vultures like Eddie Groves shouldn’t get to set the rate of what childcare workers get paid so the centres run at a profit and he gets to line his pockets.
Call me cynical but until the actual fathers start getting truly involved in this issue on a ground level I see nothing really changing that much. They are the other half of this equation. Julia Gillard should be setting up forums asking why fathers seem so unconcerned with this issue instead of asking women who are doing everything they can within impossible circumstances.
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I work for C and K I get paid great wages and have exceptional work conditions…..no complaints from me!
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Here’s the thing, I don’t HAVE kids (and while I may not thus far understand what those who HAVE kids do, I have a pretty good understanding – I was in childcare, both parents worked long hours, I come from a large family where childcare IS/WAS used a lot, I read, I listen, I ask questions…) and even I can see this is a critical issue AND IT’s about so much more than childcare. It’s about the structural issues underpinning underpayment, it’s about value systems and it’s about women – this industry is predominantly female. Catherine, are right. Thank you.
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The government subsidises child care because they make money from working parents who pay taxes. It is important to recognise that if all families with both parents working dropped to one income there would be a significant impact on our economy and a skills shortage (particularly in female dominated careers such as nursing and teaching).
Personally, I work because I have to as unlike you my family could not survive on an income of $35000 but kudos to you for managing this. I would love to be at home full time with my kids, not because I think they will be better off for it, but because I enjoy being with them. My boys attend a not for profit community child care centre 2 days a week and the wonderful teachers should be paid more.
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If the government is subsidising anyone, it should financially support parents, both, to stay at home with their young children until school. I went to kinder two days a week as a child and spent the rest of my time at home with my Mum. Yet I have two degrees, lots of friends and a productive life so where is the evidence that all this ‘early education’ in day care is needed? A couple of days of kinder is fine for little ones. I just don’t agree with you all that child care is necessary, in fact I think we are getting so far removed from the needs of our children that it is becoming like Victorian England. I think this debate is more about parents not wanting to be stay-at-home parents, give up luxuries or make a few years sacrifice in their careers. I understand all you Early Educators out there taking offence to this view because your livelihood is at stake. But we did very well without all this early education for a long time, now that parents want to keep their materially well-appointed lifestyle and enjoyable jobs, we’ve suddenly decided children need more early education. Doesn’t wash with me.
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Do you have kids? I doubt it with your attitude expressed above. Come back to the argument when you can contribute with experience with raising kids with out any other alternatives to occasional childcare. My choices are not those of early education but simply a means to survive. I found your comment very one sided and with out the thoughts of those like myself who have no choice but to work.
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Donna I have two children, 5 and 6. And it was for people like you that I was aiming my comments, that the government should finance you so you can be there for your kids. If they want us to create future taxpayers, they should help us do it. Instead of financing child care, why don’t they pay parents to stay at home to care for their kids? My question is, do parents want to stay home with their kids anymore…?
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Jash, your opinion wont be popular because it is largely a truth nobody wants to admit. Many of my friends admit they returned to work quickly after having their children because they couldnt stand being trapped at home, they were bored with babies all day, or living on one income meant they couldnt maintain the lifestyle they wanted to live. One has boasted that she hasnt cooked a meal for her children in nearly 8 years because she makes her nanny pre cook all food for the weekend for them as well their weekly meals. Seriously, she thinks this is something to be proud of.
While I dont believe women should be chained to the kitchen sink, and a happy satisifed mother will always be the best mother for a family, and of course some families genuinely have no choice, I honestly do believe some women have taken the persuit of their personal happiness and career success to be the sole focus in their lives and their children rate a very poor second. And these are the people who really should be embarressed into reconsidering the lives they are giving their children, and the people who are the first to complain about the expense of childcare when they have rarely sacrificed a day of their own time to care for them themselves. Of course having a mum with a great career can set a fabulous example to the children in a family, but at the same time its import the children arent given the message that they arent important in the scheme of their parents lives either.
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But the governent does Jash. Family tax benefit A, B, child payments, education allowance etc. As a working Mum I am not eligible for any of these. That’s ok, I don’t expect it when I’m working, but I don’t think that providing me with a childcare benefit is unreasonable. I’m paying tax etc.
I love being with my kids, but I also love my job, just like I love my sport etc. Yes I am a Mum, but I am also a person with an identity as well. I think it’s really healthy for kids to see that.
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Really??? Family tax benefits do not make up for halving the family salary. We are fortunate to be earning enough on one wage to live but the government contributions do not in any way make up for my loss of salary. I get $25 per week from Centrelink and no other benefits whatsoever. My hubby pays load of tax and we live tight. I personally feel that in our wage bracket, the government has not shown much appreciation for us creating future taxpayers. And before you say that we must be on a good income to not be entitled to benefits, we have studied and worked hard for years to get that salary. We also waited to have kids until we could afford it and paid the price with 3 pregnancy losses probably because of my age.
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Jash, your kids are school age. What do you do all day while they are at school? Do you really expect government payments to be a SAHM when your kids are at school?
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Its a common misconception that all SAHMs are inundated with government handouts. I dont anyone who receives a cent…..yet our husbands taxes support other families choices to use daycare.
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All SAHMs should be able to claim family tax benefit B, it is not dependent on partners income. It is annoying when people claim they arent receiving benefits when they are.
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You are wrong.
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To be eligible for family tax benefit part B income has to be under $150,000. So not all people qualify.
Yes, it is a lot of money but when that is the sole income supporting a family without other perks available to other families and other necessary expenses like private health insurance and paying a lot in tax it doesnt go far.
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My 5yo is an April baby so is not at school until next year… my day is full with kinder drop-offs, playdates, her activities, spending time with her and getting her school ready, not to mention school pickups and helping out there with my 6yo. I also spend several days a week at my Mum’s nursing home, she is in the final stages of Alzheimers and I am her main carer. At the same time I am doing more study and volunteer work to get my skills back up to re-enter the workforce next year, after seven years out. It feels like I virtually have to start again, so much has changed in my field in that time. I have tried for a long time to find a part-time job that fits in with my hubby’s erratic work hours but haven’t managed it.
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Thats is the problem with being a SAHM for years. You will never get back into the workforce at any reasonable level. Very good reason to work at least PT
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Exactly. Good luck in finding a job after so long out of the workforce. Oh and good luck in finding a job within school hours, as I know you wouldn’t possibly use after school care etc. Hypocritical.
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Big assumptions about working parents there Jash
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Doesn’t the govt already subsidise sahparents in the form of family tax? Isn’t family tax B dependant on low or non-existant wage of one parent?
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I dont know a SAHM who receives anything. Granted we’re fine without it, but it is irritating when we hear of women returning to work because its easier than being at home with a toddler and its nice to have a coffee and a lunchbreak and their kids are being cared for 8 hours a day and the government compensates them for the expense.
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Not sure where the analogy with Victorian England is? There was precious little paid-for childcare then except by a tiny minority of the well-to-do, who could afford it. The vast majority looked after their own kids, or, if desperate enough, farmed off the job on older children to look after their siblings while both parents had to work to make ends meet.
Here we’re not talking about either scenario, really.
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I recently wrote a blog linked to this:
http://laurachildcare.wordpress.com/2012/06/19/simple-solutions/
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As an ex teacher who left because of this exact reason, I applaud you, Catherine. Thank you for saying everything I have been feeling.
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