
Tilda Swinton puts in the performance of her career in 'We Need to Talk About Kevin'. This post is brought to you by Hopscotch films.
There is no more unsettling thought than the idea that children can be born ‘bad’ and no amount of nurture can bring them ’round again. That for some very unlucky among us, nature just throws up a child that so severely lacks empathy he or she can go on to do terrible, terrible things.
This is the unnerving premise of the film We Need to Talk About Kevin. It is such a chilling idea that makes for brilliant cinema.
When we first wrote about the concept of ‘evil’ children on Mamamia, some of you were outraged at the very thought. That we were giving nature too much credit and not nearly enough due to the myriad outside influences that can, or might, corrupt us all. Friends, family, media, strangers in the street. The world, not the womb.
Many more of you discussed the best-selling book of the same name by Lionel Shriver upon which this film is adapted. In it, a travel-struck woman called Eva (Tilda Swinton) settles before her adventures are done and gives birth to her first child, Kevin (Ezra Miller). Does she resent him as the bung in her plans to scoot across the globe? And, the thought that will plague her every waking moment, does Kevin pick up on the resentment? Does he spite her because of it?
There’s no question Kevin is a deeply disturbed child. He broods. He is disobedient bordering on caricature. He glares. Never at his father (he’s all dreams and rainbows). But always at his mother.
In that sense they share a special bond. Only Eva is privy to the boy Kevin really is. His father cannot see it – is not shown it. But Eva knows. She senses it. Tilda Swinton’s performance is heartbreaking in its nuance. She plays fragile, yet strong, with crushing realism.
How would you react to a child that actively shuns you? Is unconditional love possible in such extreme circumstances?
Kevin develops a love of archery and a creepy affection for tee-shirts that are a few sizes too small in his teenage years … and then he commits an unspeakable crime. A crime toward which his entire life seemed to march. It was inevitable, at least in the context of this story, and it’s not giving too much away to say it involves a massacre at Kevin’s school.
The film is a discussion of two wildly different views. That one mother will blame herself for all the failings of her child, and that society will blame her too. And the opposite, that sometimes bad things happen and there is no reason. No explanation.
Director Lynne Ramsay turns these uncomfortable themes into a piece of art. The movie premiered to critical and audience acclaim at the Cannes International Film Festival … and rightly so. It’s a visually stunning study on the colour red, a suburban horror story, a masterful explorer of sound and haunting close-ups.
Ezra Miller, who plays the teenage Kevin, is perfectly cast. It’s the eyes. His ease at performing the all-important (to the story, at least) chilling disconnect of his emotions from the world. Does he feel? Can he?
A recent study of ‘callous and unemotional’ traits in children pointed to an early and obvious lack of eye contact in children studied that would lead to a lack of empathy in later life. These children literally could not see the love in their mother’s eyes. They didn’t know how to interpret it. The researchers pointed out that these children were not evil. But they could go on to lives of violence and criminal behaviour as a small percentage of pscyhopaths do.
And we know this to be true. The book itself was a deeper study of the kinds of children like the Columbine shooters Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris, the latter of whom was diagnosed as a ‘psychopath’. “Unlike psychotic individuals, psychopaths are rational and aware of what they are doing and why. Their behavior is the result of choice, freely exercised.” Diagnosing Harris as a psychopath represents neither a legal defense, nor a moral excuse. But it illuminates a great deal about the thought process that drove him to mass murder.”
And it’s this question, ‘why’, that leads us to the most suspenseful closing scene in my movie-watching career.
It was heartbreaking and I have not been more moved by anything I’ve seen before it. It lingered for hours after leaving the screening and it’ll stay with you too.
If you’re into art that can impact you, this movie is a standout.
Check out the trailer here:
So, can children be born this bad? If so, is there hope to redeem them? How far should a mother’s unconditional love go?
We Need To Talk About Kevin releases into cinemas on November 17.
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A big thank you to MM and Hopscotch for last nights preview.
(Despite the horrendous traffic in Sydney that made getting there an experience in itself)
I thought the film was a masterful adaptation of the book. I’ve long been a fan of Lynne Ramsay and can think of no better film maker to sift through the dense and complicated relationship of Eva and her son.
Perhaps it’s her Scottish practicality.
Tilda Swinton is at her best here, I can’t think of another actor who would be so without vanity to play that mother the way she portrayed her.
So raw and real.
Thank you again, by far the best film I’ve seen this year. Like Rick says, a real piece of art.
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I can’t wait to see this. It will unsettle me, I’m sure, but it’s fascinating. I often read about the childhood of serial killers, Ed Gein is one that particularly fascinates me.
Rick, have you seen the new Halloween? The one by Rob Zombie? The original is very very different to the new one and I found the new one far more unsettling and chilling. You watch Michael Myers grow up, watch all the signs. If you liked this movie, you should watch Halloween.
It is quite gory, though, and animals are hurt.
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Someone else asked, and I’m not sure that an answer has been posted, but I would like to know if there is any cruelty towards animals in this movie … I’ve walked out of movies because of this subject matter and the affect it has on me .. Please provide a brief comment on this if you can. Thanks!
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A very small amount. It is alluded to, not witnessed. But alas, it’s still uncomfortable. I’m always worse when it comes to that stuff and I coped fine in this, if it helps.
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Thank you Rick, good to be prepared. I’m fascinated by the movie premise, it’s been a long time between good movies
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Thank you, I too can’t watch films with any animal abuse yet wanted to see this film. Now I feel that I can.
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How far should a mother’s unconditional love go? Well if it’s literally unconditional it should go on forever, no matter what.
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I find the theme of this movie really fascinating. Growing up we had foster children (long and short term care) coming in and out of our home. These kids had suffered abuse and neglect at such a severe level (from their ‘parents’) I can only imagine the kind of lives they were able to piece together as an adult. But a few have kept in touch and have gone on to lead reasonable lives despite the false start they got as kids.
But, there were a few kids that were different. I feel awful saying this about a child, but they behaved like mini psychopaths. Were they born this way or was it due to the prolonged time they spent in an abusive home? Or, was it a combination of both? Heaven knows we’re not all made the same, and I dare say it could be possible for one to overcome something in life, but for another to spell disaster.
I can’t wait to see this movie.
PS…when I say mini psychopath I use that to describe their overly manipulative behaviour (at such a young age), their cruelty to others and animals and their general sneakiness.
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The damaged ones probably had Reactive Attachment Disorders. Their brain wiring as infants is so monumentally effed up by the lack of care/neglect/abuse that their brains re-wire differently, and their ability to have normal relationships with others is completely ruined. Happens quite often with children in Eastern Europe who have been in sub-standard crowded orphanages since infancy. The number of parents who mistakenly and naively think that love will be enough when adopting these children is documented quite regularly. Awful outcomes in a lot of cases.
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I started reading this while I was pregnant. needless to say I didn’t get very far. I don’t think I will ever be able to read it now and I am not planning on seeing the movie…I have become a big sooky la la but thats ok I have two gorgeous boys and if I have to not read/see something because I find it too heartbreaking then so be it!!
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Cannot wait for this movie. I loved the book to death – and yes, it’s definitely not an easy read but it’s the most highly original piece of work I think I’ve ever read… so absorbing and confronting, in a “what would you do?” and “you think you’re so different/ immune… think again” type of way.
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I know I will eventually see this movie, one day,in my own time.
But as for the book? Traumatised doesn’t even cover it.
A break in my studies coincided with the birth of my first child, a son.
I’d heard the book was un-putdownable, so I chose it as the first novel I’d attempt in two years. BIG MISTAKE.
Nursing shredded nipples and a son who was screamed for 2-6 hours straight every arvo this book was no salve let me tell ya!! Plus, due to his study / work commitments, my husband rarely saw his son awake…. eeek
He wasn’t even a difficult baby in the scheme of things. But needless to say, the book remained unfinished.
4+ years later I am catching up with my girlfriend for dinner on the 16th. I’ve considered asking her if she would like me to see if I can get us tickets…..but considering her son is only 8 weeks younger than mine, methinks we might opt for a somewhat light heated evening of wine and laughs instead?!?!
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Looking forward to the movie
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I think this question is answered at the end of the book…
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Sam, I’m really sorry to have edited your comment but I didn’t want any spoilers out there for those who are yet to read the book / watch the movie!
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Blimey, sounds like this film is likely to leave all the parents in the room traumatised.
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And scare would-be parents into sterilising themselves
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Some children are unlikable from Birth. My friend had a baby brother in the 90′s who was just creepy even as a baby. I was always repeled by him. He started his life of crime at just 8 and Now he is in jail after year after year of crime. I do feel sorry for him- He was a late in life baby from a failed marriage and his mother was just over children by then ( having kids ay Uni at the time) and maybe with diciipline and knowing he was special and loved he might have had a chance.
Personally I think he has a long life of crime ahead of him.
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Can anyone advise if there are any animal cruelty scenes depicted in the book/movie?I really want to see/read it but I don’t handle those type of scenes well…
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I had a child who was so different to what I expected , he was driving me crazy. My salvation was a book from Christopher Greene , he commented that some children have differences in temperament to their mothers and the clash causes behaviour problems. This made a lot of sense and I altered my reactions to my child.
How many people read these books, how many would alter their actions to do with their child? So not the parents fault but also not a “bad “ seed. The same child and a different parent would be alright.!!!!
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not necesarily. while your comments are valid having a mental disorder myself and studying them in others i can tell you that when it comes to a psychopath it doesn’t matter about the upbringing there is a simple lack of empathy and a level of judgement and understanding from that person that creates these problems. all the love in the world cant help some things.
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It’s interesting that mothers can give birth to children with vastly different personalities but the concept that it might be possible to give birth to an ‘evil’ child seems so abhorent. Is it a biological defence mechanism to the continuation of the species. Do you know Lionel Shriver has no children and when I heard her talk about the book some years ago she indicated that she hadn’t ever really wanted children. Amazing story to have emerged from such a person.
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I am completely intrigued after reading all your comments as I haven’t read teh book. Thanks Mammamia for the tickets . . . I’ve organised a dinner/movie date with my best friend! Let’s just hope the MIL can babysit . . .
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Great review RIck and I cant’ wait to see this film – everything Tilda Swinton in is fabulous, she’s extraordinary.
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I’ve read the book, it was amazing & sickening – like watching a train wreck…. I’d love to see the film but am currently pregnant, I don’t think I can do it!
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Ah Rick, I know what you mean. I’ve actually been lucky enough to see an early screening of it too…that final scene- no words to describe it. Gave goose bumps and a feeling I just could not shake for days.
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I would love to see this film but I think with a baby boy it would be too scary! Maybe a video watch for me…
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Doris Lessing wrote compellingly on a similar theme – an inexplicably ‘bad’ child and the consequences for parents (particularly guilt and loneliness) – in the novel he “The Fifth Child” (1988). Worth a read all if you haven’t already.
I haven’t read Lionel Shriver’s novel but it has always been on my wish
list. Now I can add the movie as well!
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I find the notion that it’s the absence of empathy that causes ‘evil’ completely laughable. I truly believe that it’s not the lack of empathy that is the problem, it is how the individual chooses to process it.
A lot of it is about power. A person who feels “better” than others still has empathy, but they just might decide that it doesn’t matter.
Think about the worst thing that someone has ever done to you. Why did they do it? Because seeing you hurt made them feel good. That is empathy.
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That’s a really interesting way of looking at it. So ‘they can feel what you’re feeling’ or at least know what it’s like and decide that’s what makes them happy, even if it makes their victims unhappy? A chilling thought.
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I have empathy and feel good when others do and feel bad when others do. I agree I think some people have empathy but enjoy it when other people feel bad or sad or whatever. I’d never really thought of it that way though
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I’m really excited to see this! I love Tilda Swinton, and my PhD is on remakes and adaptations so I can write it off as “work.” Double win.
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Last week’s episode of Crownies was about a similar topic – a young boy who killed his younger brother…perhaps intentionally… was chilling.
I would hate for every mother with attachment issues to immediately think that her child will become a serial killer. I think it’s a number of things that contribute to a psychopath actually carrying out murder..
There was a brilliant documentary on psychopaths a few years ago on SBS or ABC (can’t remember which) and one of the psychopaths interviewed said that the only thing that stopped him from killing was that a teacher once said to him “I’m sure underneath you are really a good boy”.
So I agree with Jane DJ who posted about people with psychopathic tendencies being CEOs or in the army (positive outlets) or in jail for murder (negative outlets). Guess that’s what the whole series called ‘Dexter’ is founded on…
Fascinating and terrifying at the same time.
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Just got my tix for Melb, thanks!
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I’m a little apprehensive about seeing this one. I don’t handle the dark stuff too well.
Also, my son has an autism spectrum disorder and one of the pretty common characteristics of high-functioning autism is an unwillingness to meet people’s eyes. It’s not necessarily a sign of cruelty or even coldness. He’s a really sweet kid and has it tough enough without people reading too much into it. Just being a protective mama.
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here here! as a mother of 2 boys on the autism spectrum, thank you for your comments re eye contact….my boys are starting to make eye contact now (they are 4) but are certainly not cold or cruel
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Yeah, absolutely, ASDs are different. As a non-specialist with a long-term interest in the autistic spectrum… isn’t it more the case that people on the autistic spectrum sense emotions in a way, but are very easily confused or overwhelmed by them, or fail to interpret them properly? Almost as though they were static on the radio, or a constant drilling noise…
Again, as a non-specialist, isn’t the psychopathic lack of empathy just that, a lack? A complete inability to perceive others’ emotions or care about them. By contrast, those on the autistic spectrum may be *very* bothered by their difficulty in understanding and relating to emotion in others.
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what about Brisbane
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Just got tix as well! Thanks guys!
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Can’t wait to see it. Thanks for tix.
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I so loved this book but it haunted me and I am a bit scared to see the movie. But such is the pull of morbid curiosity that I will have to see it definitely. I bet if we all think about we’ve met a scary little kid who gives us shivers of worry as to what their future holds. I don’t know if a child can be born bad. In the case of Kevin it was possibly more a case of him being shaped by the fact he received no love or nurturing from his mother from birth. Some of those early scenes when he was a baby were so horrendous. And it didn’t get better it got worse.
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Just got my confirmation email for my tickets
Thanks so much! I finished the book a few months ago and am really looking forward to seeing how it plays out on film…. x
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Oh I got tickets for the Melbourne preview, how absolutely exciting! The trailer looks fantastic.
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I just bought this book yesterday and I can’t wait to start reading it..
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Ha! On first glance I thought this post was about K-Rudd & the pic Julia Gillard ( on a bad day) hehe
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soooooooo pumped for this film
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awww… no other states?
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Oh Lord, I’ve been hanging out for this movie. I read the book a couple of months ago and was left, stunned. I didn’t even know there was a movie made at the time until after finishing book — still in shock, I googled and discovered. CAN’T WAIT. So is at cinemas already? (i’m out in the sticks)
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I have just bought the book yesterday without hearing about the film or the book’s notoriety itself…. the girl at the counter told me it had received great reviews and I am slowly discovering why….. I don’t want to watch the film before I finish the book so thank Rick for not spoiling it for me. I have an 18months old and this book send s me into a deep, dark place when I read it… I find myself suddently asking myself questions I had hardly thought of before. I have goosebumps right now just thinking about it! Thankfully, I adore my daughter, love looking into her eyes, kissing her and hugging her but I have to admit it was difficult to form that bond at first (when she was just a tiny little baby and I was exhausted, getting used to motherhood). What an excellent read by all means and I cannot wait to watch the movie though it freaks me out!
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Oooh looks chillingly good…
To answer your question, I think children can be born bad, but their parents can contribute and make them worse. A parent in denial about their childs flaws will never help…it takes a brave parent to admit their child has done the wrong thing and has a problem.
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Rick, good on you for speaking so touchingly of the film’s final scene without giving away any of the details. Unfortunately I can’t say the same for the writer in yesterday’s Sunday Life magazine who gave away the details of the film’s concluding scene – and without any warning. Obviously she has never heard of a “spoiler alert”. Grrr
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I learned my lessons on spoilers ever since Gold Coast radio once spent the whole day laying into me for a slip-up as a cadet. Plus, the power of that final moment I think is something everyone deserves to experience. It was intense!
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My thoughts exactly Sally!
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Ha! I never get any of the giveaways and I got tickets, cool.
I cannot wait to see this, as strange and unsettling as it was, I adored this book and could not put it down.
Tilda, genius.
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Scored some Melbourne tickets – thanks Mamamia! Really looking forward to seeing this. I love Tilda Swinton.
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Me too. Can’t wait to see it.
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I thought the book was genius; breathtaking – and deeply disturbing. But I don’t think I can see the movie. Adding pictures to the thoughts in my head might be pushing it too far.
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I totally agree – the book messed with my head and I think to see it brought to life on screen might just be taking it too far – I think I’d be in tears the whole time…….
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I’m with you Kate, the book really was breathtaking and heartbreaking but I don’t think I could see the movie either. Tilda Swinton though does look amazing as the mother.
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I think the movie looks brilliant. Author Lionel Shriver has applauded it. But I can’t see it, I don’t think. I like to believe no child is born bad, and this might just convince me otherwise.
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Yup I think a lot of mothers will have issues watching this…. I have only just started the book yesterday and it already messes with my mind and emotions…… I have a ball in my throat and chills right now just thinking about it. I’ll see if I can gather the courage to watch this piece of art when I finish the book…… wow
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I agree too – the book really affected me – I read it twice but not sure I could sit down and watch the movie…
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I agree – i found the book so disturbing i couldn’t finish it. Being a mother now myself i think i’ll pass on seeing this movie.
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One word – Milat.
That trailer gives me chills.
I had trouble relating to the novel because:
a. I have a girl so could not relate to the male child issues
b. Could not relate to the child you cannot love idea.
That being said, it is amazing.
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I keep thinking Columbine. The absence of empathy fascinates me. Because it’s so apart from developmental disorders in that the kids are in other ways totally normal in function and character. But they just don’t feel. Or do they and I’m wrong? Argh, questions!
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Hi SawHole,
I don’t think Kevin’s character is an example of male child issues taken too far. (There are female psychopaths…Hello, Girl Interrupted).
I thought there was a lot of understanding between mother and son. As Rick said, Eva understood Kevin in a way no-one else did, but Kevin understood his mother right back. And there were some moments where that understanding gave way to a great deal of respect and some of the most touching mother-child moments I’ve ever read (Okay, so, two) but they stayed with me.
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Melb ppl – I stupidly registered for Melb tix first, not Sydney & I have been allocated a Double Pass – they are to be mailed to me but will happily forward them on to anyone in Melb who wants to go.
Cheers,
Lisa
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Hey Lisa,
I’ve just put my name in the running, but would LOVE a double pass if I don’t win it myself! Very kind of you to offer.
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Just got my tix alert! I made it on my own terms. Thanks again though.
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This movie looks a little “The Omen” from the preview, almost expect to see 666 hiding under that jet black hair!
Was listening to a radio segment on the Psychopath in Us all :
http://www.abc.net.au/rn/scienceshow/stories/2011/3340027.htm
Very interesting points about the standard of your early nurturing when you have the physical brain abberation common to psychopaths can decide whether your psychopathic tendancies end up being carried out in the boardroom or the crime scene!
“Traditionally it has been thought that psychopaths are all bad. You know, no sooner is the word out than images of serial killers and rapists and terrorists and suicide bombers come scything across our minds. But actually the truth is a little bit different to that. Imagine if I was to paint you a completely different picture, imagine if I was to say that the psychopathic arsonist of today who burns down your building or your home might also be your guardian angel of tomorrow, the first person to go into a raging inferno and pluck your loved one out the blaze. Imagine if I were to say to you that the knife-wielding hoodie of today who stalks you around some inner-city car park might be the Special Forces soldier of tomorrow using exactly that same weapon in hand-to-hand combat in Afghanistan. Claims like that stretch credulity to the limit, I admit that, and yet they are true.
Psychopaths are charming, charismatic, ruthless, focused, and if that sounds good, well, it is. It all depends on what else you’ve got lurking at the back of your personality cupboard. If you had a rough start in life, if you have left school at the age of 14, say, with no qualifications, you aren’t that intelligent, then you are likely to be a crack-dealing thug that kills someone in a pub. If you are intelligent, you went to a good school, you had a good start in life and you have those characteristics, then you are more likely to make a killing in the market rather than anywhere else. So psychopathic traits are good, but it depends on what line of work you are in, in what field you are in”.
Fascinating stuff!
This movie looks a little “The Omen” from the preview, almost expect to see 666 hiding under that jet black hair!
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If you’re interested in psychopathy this book is brilliant
http://www.jonronson.com/psycho.html
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One of my all time favourite books.
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I tried to read this book many moons ago and couldn’t get into it. Movie looks fantastic though. I might go see it!
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Me too! I tried so hard to get into it but just couldn’t, although I am a little older so maybe I should try again. Movie looks great though, I have chills already.
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Agree – although I did finish the book. I found it an ordeal to read, a grind, not thrilling or fascinating…. was glad to be rid of it at the end of it. But – having said that – I think it would probably be a very good movie!