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puberty blues  What was your favourite sexy book?There aren’t enough trashy books around. At least not in the places that count – like the lockers and backpacks of teenagers at school.

What there is, is a lot of online porn. In fact a study conducted in 2006 shows that 92 per cent of boys and 61 per cent of girls aged 13 to 16 have been exposed to online porn.

Statistically and realistically speaking that means my son will be exposed to porn in the not too distant future. I don’t balk at that fact. His dad looked at porn when he was young and I’m pretty sure that his grandfather did too. No issue with that – as long as the people that appeared in that porn did so of their own free will. But that’s not a debate I am getting into right now.

It’s more about the quality of the porn that my son may be exposed to. The lack of depth, so to speak.

Online porn in 2012 is as vastly dissimilar to the porn that his dad stored under his mattress in the early 80’s as Mother Goose is from Lady Gaga.  I am sure it was truly spectacular at the time, but in retrospect it was naked women.  Posed naked women. And maybe one or two images of very stylised intercourse. As he got older there was an old Betamax tape passed around but it was so jumpy, the tape so worn that I’m surprised he didn’t think that there was a lot more bouncing involved in the act.

Meanwhile the gender stereotyping that formed my adolescent years in apartheid South Africa more or less precluded me from being exposed to the same porn that my husband and his friends were furtively swapping behind the bicycle sheds. It turns out I was the lucky one.

At high school I was doing a lot of very “acceptable” reading by authors such as Judy Blume and  Jackie Collins.  I was being introduced to sex in a myriad of romantic ways – sex where the woman wasn’t posed or stylised but a willing participant.

It never really struck me how fortunate I was to be able to gain all this sexual knowledge from these books until I read the following except from How To Be a Woman by Caitlin Moran where she discusses how kids are relying on the net for their sexual education:

“It’s not just about sex education – which is a series of useful facts and practicalities, and the basic business of what goes where, or what could go where if you’re determined enough – that kids are getting from the net. It’s also their sex hinterland. It informs the imagination as well as the mechanics.

This is why – however limited, patchy or centred on Trevor Eve the pornography I scavenged in teenage years – there was at least, a balance to all the stuff I was finding – a variety. I had petticoats and spies and woodlands and nuns and threesomes on sun loungers, and vampires and sheds and gum and fauns and the back seat of Capris and, more often than not, even though I was reading something from the 19th century, the chicks got their kicks. The women came. The women’s desires were catered for. Indeed, these were the women’s desires.

And this was important, because the sexual imagery of your teenage years is the most potent you’ll ever have. It dictates desires for the rest of your life. One flash of a belly being kissed now is worth a million hardcore fisting scenes in your thirties.”

You go Caitlin.  I want to write your words on the walls of our schools because the sexual imagery of your teenage years IS the most potent you’ll ever have.  Think about it.

Michelle Griffin takes up the same battle in an opinion piece for Fairfax where she recently wrote

We should fill school libraries, family bookshelves and e-readers with all manner of explicit literature: not just copies of The Joy of Sex, but steamy airport novels, raunchy teen lit and straight-up smut. According to enthusiastic reviewer Elaine Blair in the August New York Review of Books, Nicholson Baker’s surreally explicit new title, House of Holes, is ”exactly the sort of filth you’d want them to read first … [It] will introduce impressionable readers to many interesting sexual possibilities without a whisper of stereotype or slur.”

… Sex therapists report that porn is limiting young men’s visions of a good time to mere delivery-man thrusting. But readers are free to create their own visuals, to skim anything they don’t like, to break free of the narrative and simply daydream. Browse the overheated world of fan-fiction to discover how readily readers imagine the sex lives of wizards, vampires and Jane Austen heroines.

I want my son to read trashy novels as he becomes a teenager. I want him to develop his mind, to have a life filled with wonder and delight. I wont be able to stop him from discovering porn (nor do I want to) and I know he will look to the internet but I’d love his imagination to flow, to be led by his brain and not just by his eyes. And certainly not just by his desire.

Was the sexual imagery of your teens dictated by the books you read? Any books that you think should be on the “must read” list?

 

Deenie by Judy Blume

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121 Comments so far

  1. Guest

    anyone read the Diary of Laura Palmer? Very explicit. i’m tracking down a copy as i ‘lost’ mine.

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  2. Megs

    The Princess Diaries series.

    I’m now 19 and read these from the age of 11. They firstly got me interested in reading and literature, so yay!!

    Over the course of 7 books you see Mia (not Freedman!) grow from a 14 year old to an 18 year old, so it gives you a great timeline of development, going through first kisses, formals, ‘bases’ etc. Also has great ideas about friendship, body image and mental illness.

    Highly, highly reccomend it!!

    :)

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  3. missalyss

    I read ‘Night Over Water’ by Ken Follett when I was 12 or 13 (three years ago). I think it’s actually a political novel, but all I remember is the sex.

    And lots and lots of fanfiction (Doctor Who, Harry Potter, Spooks, Merlin, Hunger Games, Sherlock).

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  4. Jude

    Oh ‘Forever” by Judy Blume was huge in my year 9. Thought it was so naughty. Will definatley be bringing out her collection when my daughter gets to that age.

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  5. Cordeline

    Oh how I loved Judy Blume! But to this day, whenever I hear the name ‘Ralph’ I think of the fact that in the book ‘Forever’, the character Michael gave his penis that name!

    Danielle Steele – I did love those books too. My nana had a bookshelf full of them and I would read one every time I visited.

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  6. Clara

    Thankyou Lana for validating my teenage reading choices !
    I always hid my romance novel addiction but now I think it was an important part of my emotional and sexual development so maybe I should just laugh at it and be proud!

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  7. Jane DJ

    I secretly read my Mum’s Sidney Sheldon novels at about age 12 – they were FANTASTIC! You’re right, it is these books that have stuck with me all these years later, I still remember the illicit thrill of the sex scenes…

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    • Melrohs

      Heck yeah Jane DJ. Me too! The girls at school thought I was soooooo worldly. Now, some 20 years later I still use a trick or two. And incidentally, reading about bondage or ‘lillicit’ acts sayted my appetite and I never felt the need to ‘go there’.

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      • Swiss

        Yes, I read all my mum’s Sydney Sheldon’s too, maybe I should borrow them and leave them laying around the house rather than the twilight novels

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        • Jane DJ

          To amp up the r-ratedness if you’re partial to vampire fiction, you can’t go past the Black Dagger Brotherhood series. Oh MY!!

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          • hellburger

            Uh huh. I have just finished reading the latest one and need to take a cold shower! Those brothers! AND it’s all about pleasing their females.

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  8. Mel

    Wow! I love this piece SO much.

    I started reading Mills & Boon novels when I was about 12 years old during a boring summer holiday. I always saw my aunty reading them and randomly picked up an old novel. What a world it opened up for me! It wasn’t the sex (there wasn’t that much back then) but the relationships and the strength of the women, the heroines, and their abilities to explore their desires. As time went on I discovered the ‘Sexy’ range and later the ‘Blaze’ range – I would highly recommend!! These women are the focus of the story and personally I think they are fantastic role model for young women. If Ihave daughtersI’m buying them all a vibrator (each!) and a stack of these books to reinforce the vaules of being strong, independent and confident in their sexuality.

    I watch porn regularly now as an adult, but it is purely a visual stimulus. When I want some intellectually sexual (and emotional) stimulation I love losing myself in a perfectly trashy Mills & Boon novel.

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  9. Emma in Melbourne-land

    Flowers in the attic and the sequels…that had my ten year old eyes wide wide wide open.

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    • Jude

      I went to a religious girls school and those books were banned but we all passed round copies like they were contraband. Ooh we were rebellious!

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  10. justine

    Marquis de sade ‘ Justine’

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  11. catgirl

    I grew up in a sea of books; my father was very into books. Back then I can’t remember books that were geared towards teenagers as such, but maybe I just passed them by.

    It seems to me that I went overnight from reading the likes of “The Famous Five” to reading the likes of Lady Chatterley’s Lover, The Story of O and Lolita. The books were in the family bookcases so I read them. Those titles are now in my family bookcase but my own daughter shows no interest in reading them

    My daughter is grown up now, but I did kind of cringe a bit, when at age 10 she started devouring the “Earth’s Children” series by Jean M. Auel, because of the graphic sex in the books.

    My reasoning for allowing her was that reading sexually explicit books at a tender age didn’t do me any harm so I should allow her the same free range with her reading choices

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    • G

      I, too, was going to mention Jean M Auel. My Dad recommended I read ‘Clan of the Cave Bear’ (and the rest of the series) when I was about 12. I was SHOCKED at the sex, and more shocked that he had encouraged me to read it! We used to discuss the books, but never the sex scenes!

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      • catgirl

        I taught my daughter to read at a young age so she ended up reading books years above her reading level. By her reading books like Earth’s Children I think that in a way it took away some of her innocence and the simple joys of being a child. On reflection that’s quite sad.

        But as I said I don’t think that it did me any damage and she seems quite undamaged.

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  12. Sasha

    Oh goodness, flowers in the attic!! That book is… Really something else. So much sexual tension!!

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  13. Flowers in the spring

    I was a precocious reader. Puberty Blues in yr 5 is not recommended, I still shudder at the thought of pubic hair caught in a jar of Vaseline. As a teen I quickly progressed from Sweet Dreams/Sweet Valley High type novels to Jakki Collins, Judith Krantz and Mills and Boon type novels. A few years ago I did the most fabulous unit on popular literature at Uni and discovered that the brighter the colour on the M&B cover the racier the scenes inside. If only I’d known that as a teen!

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  14. J

    Lace by Shirley Conran. Secreted from my aunty’s book shelf.

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    • MaidenD

      “alright, which one of you bitches is my mother”? Thanks, I hadn’t thought of Lace in years. I bought it when I was a 13 on hols one year, the previous year it was nancy drew. Lace was such a delicious read, nancy lost her shine that Xmas, I have kept my nancy drew collection for my daughter tho. I am going to look for a copy of lace on eBay just to see if it’s the same 25 years on!

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    • Kellie

      Me too! The sex was full on! Gold fish, ice cubes, panty ripping. I remember too much.

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      • Kellie too!

        I never forgot the gold fish either!

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  15. Me Myself I

    When I was 12 the lady across the road lent me Forever Amber. Just loved it. Also loved Catherine Cookson (but not sure if she is trashy). Later on loved Jilly Cooper, in particular Polo. Slutty read!!!

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  16. MissT

    For me it was definitely Lockie Leonard, and I would recommend that for young boys and girls.

    It doesn’t have sex in it, but it has the brushing of breasts and a young boy going through puberty without really understanding it (he has his first wet dreams and first kiss).

    For me it was a great way to read about all that that was funny, educational and did not embarrass me. It felt like I was sneakily reading something incredibly naughty, but having read it again as an adult it really wasn’t.

    Another one for kids a bit older is the Tomorrow When The War Began series. The sex in it is tame and deals with the whole first-time thing in a delicate way (including safe sex). The reason I would recommend it for slightly older kids is the war in it.

    Personally I’m far more protective of kids from violence than sex.

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  17. Lotta

    I think instead Caitlin Moran’s “How to be a Woman” should be put in the hands over every young girl. I wished I had the opportunity to read her book when I was a lot younger.

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    • Em

      Absolutely, I couldn’t agree more and I will definitely let my daughters read it when they reach their early teens.

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  18. Kylie2

    I bought this book for my son when he was about 12. I read it myself first, it was a great coversation starter. It didn’t stop him looking at porn on the internet (he’s now 16) but I don’t think that’s a realistic hope for parents of this generation.
    http://www.penguin.com.au/products/9780702235658/s-word-boy-s-guide-sex-puberty-and-growing

    There were some steamy novels handed around when I was in high school. I remember Lace & Flowers in the Attic. There was also one with a live goldfish! Does anyone else remember the book or what it was called?

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    • kateinlondon

      wasn’t it in Lace?!!! I am ashamed I remember that – but I guess it goes to prove the point of what you remember from your teenage years!

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      • Kylie2

        Maybe it was Lace, I don’t remember anything else about the book but that scene was certainly memorable.

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        • Jen

          It was Lace 2! We read it out loud to each other at a (girls only, very tame) slumber party

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    • Kellie too!

      It was in Lace! Abdullah kept a bowl of live goldfish by the bed. He would lie on top of the woman, reach into the bowl, grab a fish and thrust it inside her. He then lay firmly on top of her so she couldn’t move and would have to lie still until she could relax and feel the flutters of the goldfish inside her. Then comes the good part! He would then go down on her and suck that goldfish out and pop it back in the bowl! Hilarious! But never forgotten!

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  19. Ruby

    Along with Sweet Valley High and the usual Jusy Blume suspects, I read my Mums old school copy of ‘My Darling My Hamburger’ when I was about 13. I was obsessed with it and read it over and over, along with ‘The Rules of Attraction’ and ‘Glamorama’, both Bret Easton Ellis and of course, ‘The Virgin Suicides’. Despite the early exposure to drugs, rape and abortion I have always been a little bit of a prude. I still love these books and read them over and over to this day…. my parents recently unearthed a collection of my teenage books and I re-read the whole SVH series…. and I maintain that despite my racy and depraved Easton Ellis collection the book that can still make me blush is ‘Playing with Fire’, the SVH book where Jessica takes off her bikini top for Bruce Patman.

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    • Sasha

      Ew Bruce was such a sleeze!

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  20. Blushing

    A bit off topic but have just finished Nikki Gemmell with my body,not really sure what to think!!

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  21. Aishie

    You know i think Forever is lost of 12 year olds,the age I was when I read it. You get all the sex without any of the subtlty of how their relationship changes. I completely recommend reading it as an adult and get a different take.

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    • An apple a day

      Yep same here. It was a totally different read after I’d actually had sex. And I found I had completely different opinions on the characters.

      I also read Then Again Maybe I Won’t (Blume). Had no brothers. Sum total of knowledge I had on boys…99% of it was in that book ;-)

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  22. SJM

    Gotta disagree with you on this one.

    As a curious 12 yr old (and voracious reader), I read a couple of Harold Robbins novels. Holy cow – uppers, downers, amyl nitrate, sodomy, rape…
    Robbins could confidently be described as an airport paperback novelist, and I sure as hell don’t want MY kids reading this.

    I’m now 40, but will never forget this gateway experience with adult sexuality. It gave me the initial (mistaken) understanding that the world of sex was aggressive, abusive and anxious.

    Kids may be sexually curious, but usually lack the tools to process expressions of sexuality significantly beyond their experience. How about allowing them to have boundaries that mean they aren’t forced to confront adult sexual concepts too soon? I rather see my kids maintain their innocence for as long as they can.

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  23. countrykid

    growing up in the mid to late 90′s my girlfriends and i used to giggle ourselves silly over the ‘clitlit’ sections in cosmo/cleo. that was well and truely all we needed! no imagery of big busted/permatanned ‘man’s perfect’ women. just some entertaining writing and a healthy imagination.

    even at that time it was alot more common for guy’s to have easy access to porn than girls as the internet was only just really becoming widespread.needless to say, soft porn had permeated pop culture with america pie etc.

    i would not like to be a shy kid growing up these days :(

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    • maybedaisy

      I just loved Dolly and, in particular, Dolly Doctor. I wrote in once and my question was answered! It was one of those things, though. As proud as I was to be published, the last thing I wanted was for anyone to know I was worried about the white stuff in my knickers. :-)

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  24. Jamie

    The Guardian refers to ‘House of Holes’ as a ridiculous, banal ‘wank book’, “an arcade of blaring porn fantasies in which the tropes of triple-X sex movies are celebrated in all their cheerfully gushing banality”.

    Are you seriously suggesting that just because it’s a book, and not a porn mag or movie, that teenagers are going to benefit from having the sexual fantasies of a middle aged writer etched upon their developing sexualities? Um, gross.

    Bring on Judy Blume, bring on sensitive and age-appropriate literature and exploration of sexuality. But come on, surely young people deserve better than to have cookie-cutter airport-novel adult titillation shoved at them?

    Edit to add link to Guardian review: http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2011/aug/11/house-holes-nicholson-baker-review

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  25. JosieY

    Until I got to high school my mum read every book I read before I did. It must have been about year 6 or 7 that ‘Forever’ did the rounds at my school – I think mum bought it for me first! Then in I school I devoured mills and boon… those were the days….

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  26. Bec

    I LOVED Judy Blume books!!

    Except she was a bit before my time (i’m now 23), I remember reading ‘Are you there God, it’s me Margaret’ and in the part where Margaret gets her period (obviously in the time before self-adheisive pads) she has to use this funny belt with hooks to secure her pads!
    I remember being VERY confused.
    I also read Deenie and the Lockie Leonard books (a great option for boys).

    Why did authors stop writing books like Puberty Blues?!
    I’d love to go back and read them all.

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    • Psuedo

      That’s so true! I can’t imagine giving Are You There God to my daughter – she would have NO idea what those belt pads are, by the time she’s a teenager who knows what the technology will be… Hopefully all cups!

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      • Anonymous

        I’m with you on the cups!!!!

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      • Bec

        I haven’t tried cups! I’m a bit scared, what if you pull out too vigorously and get… um, spillage..?!

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  27. Em

    I only discovered last weekend that my 13 y/o son has looked at atleast one porn site on his iPod touch (I put a lock on the Internet connection on the iPod after that). Instead of confronting him myself I told my husband and we both agreed that it would probably be less intimidating for our boy to discuss it with his father in a bloke to bloke kind of way instead of with me (apparently he’s mortified that I found out). I know that boys will look at porn and I’m not against that as long as it’s within reason, but yes wouldn’t it be great if there were more trash out there for them to read instead!

    I’m actually reading Caitlin’s book atm and loving it and I’m thinking of letting my son read it when I’m finished. I know it might seem a bit extreme especially since she drops the c-bomb on a number of occasions, not to mention the content of the book, but I’m figuring that since being exposed to porn he’s lost his “innocence”, and surely reading a strong feminist woman’s autobiography cannot be a bad thing?

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    • JosieY

      Oh my goodness I am DREADING my son hitting puberty! He’s only 7 months at the moment mind you… I think once he’s looked at porn he’s ready for a few swear words – not doubt he uses them himself at school!

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      • Em

        I was mortified when I found it! He is my eldest so I have never dealt with this before, and since he’s always been one of the nerdy kids with good grades I didn’t think we’d have to deal with it just yet – I was totally unprepared for it. In the end I just want him to know that real life sex is NOT like porn, real life women and men don’t look like pornstars and that it’s important not to objectify women – or men for that matter.

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        • Lana

          Em, I would just tell him that. Simply. Porn exists and most kids will look at it but if he knows that it is not real – just like the Hollywood movies we see are not real, I don’t think it is going to harm him.

          And then get him reading some trash ;-)

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          • anna

            I wouldn’t compare porn with hollywood movies. When a teenage boy sees porn and repeatedly gets the message thats girls love to be aggressively penetrated and called bitches and whores etc it’s going to have an impact on how he views women and what he thinks about sex- and what is normal in sex.

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            • Lana

              Which is exactly why I advocate the reading of trashy books! With the women as protagonists

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          • Jamie

            ‘if he knows it’s not real it’s not going to harm him’

            If adults could grasp the difference between fantasy and reality that well, the advertising industry would be redundant and broke. But a 13yo boy is meant to be able to negotiate his hormones with that level of nuance?

            Or we could try, “porn is real, and kids can be taught that they can choose not to look at it”, and teach them about actual sex in a positive way… :)

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            • Em

              Believe me I will go for that angle when I have a chat to him (when he has stopped being mortified) but for now I’m happy with the importance of not objectifying women, and I intend to buy him the Lockie Leonard sequel next time I come across a bookshop for something teen-boyish to read :)

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  28. Jess

    I just read the new one by my favourite Australian Young Adult writer Melina Marchetta. The Piper’s Son looks at sex through a male’s perspective and I found that very interesting… it’s a bit graphic at times (I wouldn’t let my 16 year old sister read it) but I think it’s a good romance/drama for young boys to read.

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    • Bek

      Why would it be ok for young boys to read it and not your 16 yr old sister?

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      • Carly

        Thank-you for asking this!! Same thing went through my mind!

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      • Jess

        I didn’t specify how young the ‘young boys’ were and none of you know my 16 year old sister so don’t be so quick to make conclusions.

        I think it would have been more than alright for me to read as a 16 year old, and I certainly read far more graphic things at that age… however, I do not feel comfortable with encouraging my sister to read that kind of stuff. Maybe I’m just being overprotective but I don’t want her to grow up too soon. I’d rather she did it behind my back.

        Maybe you people find that hugely hypocritical, but that’s the way I feel and considering I know her personality better than any of you ever will I don’t feel that you have the right to imply that you know better than me when it comes to making decisions about my sister.

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    • Belle

      I didn’t find it graphic at all – and I think it would be OK for a 16 year old girl.

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  29. Jane the Bogan

    What do you guys think? I’m considering, when my little guy turns 13, buying him a subscription to an ethical porn site and cutting a deal that he’ll stay off sites like pornhub and redtube. The stuff on those sites is 90% horrific. I don’t want him growing up thinking that all girls want is hard anal and a jizz facial. Or is that interfering too much with his sexual development?

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    • Psuedo

      Great idea.

      On the one hand, YES, argh, that is totally interfering.

      But, you know what? This is the world we live in. I would interfere to stop my child doing all sorts of terrible things, and exposure to that sort of pornography has been shown again and again to be damaging.

      So I say, go for it – good thinking!

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    • Kathy W

      Jane – bad idea.
      What’s this going to teach him? That it’s okay for women to be ogled for their bodies and worse – such ogling is sanctioned by his mum? No.
      Don’t know how many 13 year old boys you know, but he would also be mortified beyond belief if this was done. You could also get into serious trouble if he tells anyone at school or takes his downloaded stuff on his ipod to school. It happens!

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      • vanessayoung

        Jane, i think you would be surprised by how many teens are really modest and prudish. I think that there are some things are teens need to keep private. General discussions about porn and sex are fine, recommending various sites crosses a line, I think.

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    • MadMannin

      Hi there,
      I’m a 19 year old female, and in my opinion, your deal sounds wonderful. It’s a compromise- you’re registering that he has / will have needs and desires and a natural curiosity, yet you’re still concerned enough to worry about where that may take him. As someone who has been brutally sexually assaulted, I have a very firm belief in ethical porn sites, and young men being educated and respectful. This in no way makes me a man-hater or someone who hates porn. However my experience of mainstream porn (my own research and viewing of) illustrates very well the belief that it has it’s roots very firmly entrenched in ill treatment of women, violence and male dominance in extremes. Anything that can be done to show young men a different view, is, in my opinion, a Stirling idea. And, on a side note, what a cool parent you make!
      x

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    • Jamie

      Oh Jane, please don’t.

      Your son is 13. Too young to understand the ways in which the porn he will be accessing is imprinting himself onto his psyche. There is no porn which is ‘ethical’ enough to avoid him learning that sex and women are commodities, and reinforcing the messages of porn sex every time he uses it.

      Please also consider that the idea you suggest is illegal. No adult has the right to supply pornographic material to a minor in our country – in fact quite the opposite, our laws are intended to protect children from being exposed to pornography before they are old enough to purchase it for themselves (I know this isn’t the reality, but it’s the legal reality). You are putting yourself at risk of very serious criminal charges.

      I was really inspired to read about the way in which Gail Dines (a leading researcher into pornography) approached the issue with her son, I think who as 11 at the time – she explained to him about the porn industry, how it works, the way in which it deliberately seeks to set up young men to become addicted to their product. She told him he had a choice, to use it or not to use it. “I said [to him] that should he decide to use porn, that he was going to hand over his sexuality—a sexuality that he had yet to grow into, that made sense for who he was and who he was going to be—to someone else.”

      Please, just talk to your son. Give him the chance to learn about sex on his own terms and at his own pace and level. If nothing else, read Pornland by Gail Dines (or at least this interview with her http://pulsemedia.org/2010/06/29/gail-dines-how-pornland-destroys-intimacy-and-hijacks-sexuality/) before you go through with it.

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    • Anna

      DON’T DO IT.

      For one thing, I’m fairly sure that exposing a minor to hardcore porn is a form of sexual assault and absolutely illegal. Paedophiles do it to show their victims how to engage in sexual acts. A mother doing it to their child is borderline child abuse.

      Who is to say once you have been the one to expose your son to porn while he is still a child, that in a few years (at best) he won’t be into the mainstream more violent and exploitative porn?

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      • Jamie

        Absolutely. I have to say, if I found out through my kids that another parent was providing pornography to their kids, I would most likely contact the police. Especially if my kids had been shown the porn by that kid.

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    • anna

      Add to that-

      I would liken it to parents giving their children to drink at home, thinking that it is preferable to having them drinking in other potentially dangerous scenarios or will teach them to drink responsibly. Often it has the opposite effect, as they get familiar with drinking and then get back into life as a teen where drinking to excess is the norm.

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    • julie

      I think most boys at what ever age will check out all the normal porn web sites weather there mum buys them porn and tells them not to look at other web sites or not and I think by the time these fellas are old enough to put there skills into practice im sure by then they will of learnt that porn is porn and not real life

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    • Lurline

      I wouldn’t do that. You would be committing child sexual abuse, and looking at a prison term and a lifetime on the sex offenders registry.

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  30. Gin & Tonic

    Oh Judy Blume, that takes me back to my junior high school years living in the US. Someone on the bus told us the smutty pages so we recited the page numbers over and over until we got to the local bookshop at the mall.
    The book just fell open at the right page (we obviously weren’t the first).
    I remember not really understanding what was going on but finding it all very exciting.

    Thanks for the article. I totally agree with your point and I’ll be making sure my kids get the same experience.

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  31. Rebeck

    Judy Blume is NOT trashy!

    (Too much else to do today to comment further but — don’t diss Judy!!)

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  32. Kelly

    My first introduction to fictional porn was probably in my early teens. I was a voracious reader and started to read my Mum’s Mills & Boon books. Some of them were very graphic. But the women were always desired for more than their body, they were intelligent every day women, not glamazons. And the men in the stories always pleasured the women and were not selfish lovers. I was also a big fan of Judy Bloom and one thing that stuck with me from Forever is the Mum sayig to the daughter “Once you have sex you can’t go back to holding hands” (something like that anyway). I think I was about 15 whenI read this and it resonated with me as I was thinking about having sex for the first time with my boyfriend.
    This would be so easy to steer girls in the right diction about how and what to think about sex, but I have 2 boys and I am totally at a loss as to how to help them. I can’t see a teen boy reading Forever let alone a trashy Mills & Boon novel. I am already teaching them about how pictures in magazines are photoshoped (I am a designer so I can show them first hand how it happens) and when they start looking at porn I am hoping to talk to them about how that isn’t how it really is, or how a woman should be treated in the bedroom (uness that is what she wants). Thankfully my boys are still young so I have a few years to think about this. I just want to stop them from becoming selfish pricks when it comes to women, and want them to treat women with respect.

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    • Axe

      Don’t worry. If the women in their lives are treated with respect by the men in their lives and they grow up with models of mutual respect around them, they will be fine. You are the biggest influence in their lives.

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      • Kelly

        That’s part of my prblem is that they don’t have any positive male role models. My ex (their Dad) is very disrespectful towards women and I dread that they will follow him.

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        • Axe

          Oops, my bad! However, there are teachers, sporting coaches, extended family (?) And who knows what the future holds for you. If you believe you are worthy of respect and accept nothing less, they will see that. As well you have years of being with them and communicating with them. You sound as though you are a good mum who is aware of this issue and that’s a great thing. Hopefully, they already have friends who have good role model males as fathers. Even though I think you are the biggest influence, it really does take a village to raise a child. And when they get to that stage of testing you out, make sure they know that you deserve and expect their respect. Steve Biddulph has written some great stuff such as “Raising Boys” Well worth seeking out. Don’t worry too much. Good luck!

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  33. maybedaisy

    “The sexual imagery of your teenage years is the most potent you’ll ever have. It dictates desires for the rest of your life.”

    I certainly hope not. I caught my grandparents at it when I was 14!

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    • Kelly

      Lol, that is something that would be burned into your retinas for eternity.

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    • G

      Beautiful! Hopefully you learned that sex is a wonderful thing enjoyed by loving couples in secure relationships, and you don’t enjoy it any less as you get older!

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  34. justvisiting

    Agree 100% Lana! I remember handing around The Valley of Horses (Jean Auel, a lot of caveman sex) and a lot of Jackie Collins in high school (and the books would fall open to certain pages!). I remember my mother telling me they did the same thing with Valley of the Dolls when she was a teenager!

    OT: I still love Jackie Collins, not that you’ll ever see her on my bookshelf! Trashy book shame comes with age …

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    • Liz

      Clan of the Cave Bear similarly got handed around at our school :)

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      • justvisiting

        I recall many pages devoted to accounts of “pleasuring” and “the silkiest of pubic hair” …

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  35. porto

    “the sexual imagery of your teenage years is the most potent you’ll ever have. It dictates desires for the rest of your life. ”
    I don’t think this article establishes or backs this premise up at all. My experience is that people’s sexual desires aren’t simply the sum of the media images they were exposed to as a teenager, but, rather, are a more complex product of innate desires and social norms.

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    • Georgina

      I respectfully disagree. Certainly some of the porn I saw 20-30 odd years ago when I was growing up is as memorable to me now as it was then. It was just the usual under dad’s bed type stuff (rather lovely actually, in comparison to the hardcore ugly porn that’s on the net). It is definitely imprinted on my brain in a way that subsequent material I’ve seen as an adult isn’t…

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  36. Kellie

    I vividly remember reading Forever by Judy Blume in High school, it was ‘the book’ to get your hands on in our school library! Until they banned it for being to racy…. (This was 1980′s) I begged my mother to buy a copy and treasured it when she did.

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    • borogirl

      That was the first book I read which actually seemed realistic (when I was 13). I still have my own copy (plus all my other Judy Blumes!).

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  37. Char

    Lockie Leonard Human Torpedo. Read it about 50 times as a teen. Lots of heavy petting. Haha.

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    • Kathy W

      I was given that as a text for my Year 7 class when I was prac teaching at university.
      It was on the reading list and I’d never heard of it – I assumed it was okay. I had the class take turns reading and all was well until we got to a scene about wet dreams. The girl reading it hesitated and looked embarrassed – I madly butted in and said ‘okay we’re going to do some other work now’ or words to that effect, whilst the kids in the class were halfway between mortified, confused or hysterically laughing.

      It taught me a lesson – ALWAYS read the text first before issuing it to the class. And I honestly don’t think it’s appropriate for 11-12 year olds.

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  38. archie

    My god, I’d never even considered it like this!

    Smut as a positive… Yes, I guess it is! Thanks for writing this :)

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  39. Just

    Oh wow! I used to read Judy Blume all the time… I loved Deenie. First time I’d read about masturbation. Actually I loved all her books.

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  40. Noelle

    Those covers are the bomb! Makes me want to go raid the Salvo’s book section…

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  41. iamevilcupcake

    I remember in high school, there was this book that was passed around all the girls in my group. Don’t remember the name of it, all I know is I have always wanted to have sex in a tree house because of it.

    Also in high school, some of the books we had to read in English were quite “interesting”. Again, can’t remember the name of the book, but I remember a frantic sex scene in an alley. Would like to point out however, I don’t want to have sex in an alley. Just a tree house. And other places. But not an alley.

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  42. Faybian

    I don’t know that I’d want a young teenage girl reading graphic descriptions of sex and drugs etc that you see in Jackie Collins books, maybe after 15 or so. My oldest girl never showed any interest in any of those “trashy” books anyway. I won’t even let my 11 year old read the twilight books and there’s no sex in the first 3. The obsessive nature of their romance is a different story however. I’m happy to let her read Judy Blume and the princess diaries series.
    One comment was pertinent about what to give boys to read to counteract the porn. It is difficult. My son as a teenager read Harry Potter and John Marsden, but there’s not a lot of romance in those ones. I know he read twilight because of his girlfriend,but again, obsessive love.
    I read the story of O when young, as well as anais nin. They were both pretty hardcore. A lot of anal in the story of O and one anais nin story had necrophilia. Just dressed up in pretty words.

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  43. Kate Hunter

    Oh Lana this is sooo true. I was surprised when I was writing my books (adventures for kids 9-13ish) to find there was pressure to be meaningful and to ‘set a good example’. I just wanted to be entertaining. I don’t believe in writing for children. I just happened to have a story kids might enjoy. But getting it done was curly sometimes. For example, my characters are thirteen and would sometimes say, ‘Oh my God!’ Questions were raised by editors as to the appropriateness of the phrase, and by marketing people who said church-run schools might object and not buy them for the libraries. My feeling is – kids just need to read. To get them to read we need to write and publish stories they want to read. Not what adults believe they must read.

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    • Lulu

      “Questions were raised by editors as to the appropriateness of the phrase”

      Editors: is ‘OMG’ appropriate?
      Kate: You’re right – teens are more likely to say ‘fuck’. I’ll change it.

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  44. Sasha

    Trashy books were MY LOVE when I was a teenager, haha! Nice to know they were good for me. I am… Often more than a little disgusted in the porn culture but I know that my boyfriend has seen porn (and I assume not read trashy novels) and it hasn’t had any detrimental effects on him. He’s a sweet, romantic, considerate guy. I think upbringing plays a huge part in how people view sex. Anyway back on track- the first more ‘sexual’ book I read was a coming of ageish story called “breaking up”. It was written, in hindsight, in a pretty realistic way as far as teenage sexual encounters go. After that- historical romances all the way!! I think I’ll go borrow one now…

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    • Sasha

      Oh and I mention my boyfriend because he’s only 22 and therefore was exposed to the sickening fisting type porn of today’s youth :)

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    • countrykid

      haha my bf too!
      his 10000000s good traits mean i can forgive the porn past
      (and he finally threw out the magazines when we moved in together. no need for those anymore!)

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  45. Eloise

    Nancy Friday’s Secret Garden was great – and pretty steamy! Would prob have dated quite a bit by now though … I seem to remember quite a few references to joining the Women’s Liberation Army :)

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    • Kylie L

      My MOTHER gave me that book for my 16th birthday. Thanks, mum.

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  46. Eloise

    Great article Lana, and great point. Forever was one of my favourite books growing up – felt very naughty reading it at 12 years old tho!

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    • SueBeDoo

      I read “Forever” when I was a young teen too! Loved it. I also recall reading “Endless Love” (Brooke Shields played the girl’s role in the film) multiple times too – including babysitting one night where I was fearful the people I was babysitting for would know what the book was about.

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  47. Kylie L

    Couldn’t agree more with this Lana, and I loved Griffin’s article when I read it. I am 44. I still sometimes find myself thinking about scenes in the myriad Shirley Conran books I read in my teens, particularly one set in a chalet in the Alps between an older woman and younger boy, and another in a plane (where the lead character was giving the pilot a BJ while he was trying to land, which I don’t recommend, but still…) They were sexy, sure, but they were also imaginative and educational and damn well fun. I don’t think fun is something that online porn is all that concerned with. I want my kids to know that sex should be fun!

    I’ll be pointing my daughter in the direction of those Conran books, and definitely Judy Blume (Forever is a fabulous, REAL depiction of a first sexual relationship)- and like JJ below, on the hunt for any equivalent books about boys for my son. (Lockie Leonard feels Vicki’s breasts in book 2, he told me with great glee, but it doesn’t go any further than that. Come on Lockie! Get into it!)

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    • Eloise

      The book set in the alps – I think it is called Lace? ‘Which one of you bitches is my mother?’ Classic! Yes I remember it very well too!

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      • flotsam

        “like shitting a watermelon.”

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      • Kylie L

        AAAAAARGH! I am a disgrace! I just checked and it wasn’t Shirely Conran (though I definitely read hers too, and loved Lace)- those scenes I quoted were from Judith Krantz, and specifically Mistral’s Daughter and Scruples. Bit embarassing (but not surprising) that I remembered the sex, but not the author….

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        • Eloise

          It’s ok Kylie, I won’t tell anyone. Oh wait …

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        • Flowers in the spring

          I loved Scruples as a teen! So much sex and fashion. To this country girl growing up in the middle of nowhere Judith Krantz and Jakki Collins were my lifeblood :-)

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    • Sasha

      Haha go Lockie!! :P

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    • Dee

      Lockie Leonard was a pretty racey series when I was in year 6!

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  48. Judy Blume and Jackie Collins might be OK for young girls to read, but what about trashy novels that boys would be interested in?

    I have no idea…I grew up reading classic sci-fi and fantasy…this is pre Game of Thrones etc…so there wasn’t much sex in them…unless you count Samwise and Frodo…

    Anyone got some good example of novels that boys might be interested to read that have some positive/realistic descriptions of love and sex and relationships?

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    • Eloise

      Sam and Frodo? I KNEW it!! lol

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    • Actually, I just remembered…I think Lady Chatterly’s Lover was really the first book I read as a teenager that seemed to depict sex openly and honestly…yes, I know it might be old-fashioned and out-dated…but it’s good literature too…well, I thought it was at 14…not sure today’s youth might find it that interesting…

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      • Lulu

        I only read LCL as an adult. Bo-ring.

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    • odette

      My husband used to read Western novels, where the protagonist always managed to find a root at least once per book.

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    • Faybian

      Boys are not really catered for in the romance department. I wonder about the assumptions there.

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    • Kelly

      As a Mum to 2 boys this is the exact dilemma I have. Do you think if I gave you a couple of the more graphic Mills & Boon novels as a teen and told you there was lots of sex in them that would have enticed you to read them?

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      • That’s a good question. I’ve never read M&B..are they written from the woman’s perspective…it’s going to be difficult for boys to relate (although I think it might be good for them to see the world from a woman’s perspective)…

        But, I guess the problem with M&B is that the men depicted in them are idealised? (I don’t know – as I said, I’ve never read them)…

        If I had more time, maybe I should write some juvenile fiction for boys with some healthy descriptions of sex…sounds like there might be a market for them…

        Bec Sparrow – possible MM e-Book?

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        • Lulu

          M & B were as boring as batshit to this teenage girl. She’s now far too old to remember why, but thinks it might have been something to do with the lack of humour & the drippy heroines.

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    • Psuedo

      The Great Gatenby! All those John Marsden books – some are written from guys’ perspectives, from memory they were alright and pretty sexy!

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