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love is not enough1 Love is not always enoughMamamia’s Managing Editor Lana writes: Last week it was reported that a 22-month old toddler had died of dehydration after allegedly being left unsupervised in a car. Her mother faced court and has been granted bail.

Blacktown Local Area Commander Superintendent Mark Wright described the incident as a tragedy. “I don’t know how many times we’ve issued warnings to people about the danger of leaving children unattended in a motor vehicle.” He said the temperature on the day was 27.5 degrees Celsius and the temperature inside the car could have been 40 degrees Celsius. “At the end of the day, a toddler, a 22-month-old child is solely dependant on their carer. The onus is on us as parents and carers to look after those children.”

I stuck on that last line just because it rings so true for me as a parent and as someone who worked in childcare. There is more to bringing up children than just loving them. Child psychologist Katharine Cook puts it best when she writes:

Love, in fact, is not “all you need” when it comes to being a good parent. Having a heart full of love and tenderness is wonderful, but not nearly enough to make you a good parent.

On a current affairs programme recently,Brendan Fevola was quizzed about his extra marital affairs, betrayal of his wife, gambling and drug and alcohol abuse. After describing how his wife finally left him, taking their two children, he was asked “Are you are good Dad?” His response was “Yes, I love them”. This answer highlights how this man…and many people…miss the point completely. Love is not enough to make you a good parent.

After many years in the child protection system, working with parents who have harmed their children, I can tell you that there are very few people who don’t love their children. I worked with a father who shook his baby so hard that she was left brain damaged. He would often plead with me that he loved his little girl, but just “snapped” when she didn’t stop crying. Despite his capacity to love, the affect of his behaviour on his child was devastating. Love was not enough to make him a “good parent”.

When parents decide to part ways and children are involved, it is often the case that both parents love their children dearly. Despite this love for their child, many parents find it extremely difficult to behave in a way that keeps their children feeling safe and secure. In many situations children are used as pawns in the battle between parents, are asked to report on the other parent’s behaviour or encouraged to choose between parents (sometimes overtly, sometimes subtly). During separation and divorce, some of the most loving parents can act in a way which is harmful to their child, often as a result of being consumed with feelings of anger, jealousy, guilt, and hurt. When a parent is overcome by his or her own needs, it becomes very difficult to put the needs of their children first. During time of stress, it is even more important to reflect on how behaviour and actions affect children. How does the child make sense of the situation? It is important to remember that although you may love your child dearly, it is more important that you act and behave in a way that keeps you child feeling safe and secure, despite the huge change in their life.

What we need to understand is that our feelings towards another, does not mean that they experience something positive. When I was 16, I remember being frustrated with my mum who was trying to teach me how to drive. I would shout at her “I am driving carefully” or “I am not speeding!” My mother then said something which has stuck with me for life. “You can say that you are a good driver, if your passenger feels safe and comfortable. You cannot say that you are a good driver because you feel happy with your skills, while the person next to you is terrified for their life”. It is not your experience of feeling good or competent; it is how the other person experiences what you do.

This should be the mantra for all parents and carers who want to feel that they are doing a good job with their children. How does the child feel? It is their experience of safety and security that determines whether you are doing a good job.

Psychologists and parenting experts constantly tell parents that “consistency” is the key to managing a child’s behaviour. Why? Because consistency, routine and “sameness” mean that there are no surprises. When a little person is trying to understand how things work in the world, it is so reassuring to them when their parent is boring and predictable!

Don’t get me wrong, we can never be totally consistent and there is no human on earth who will not “give in” to demands occasionally. I suppose though, the key is reflecting on our own behaviour and asking ourselves “am I helping my child to make sense of the world?” What am I teaching my child? Does my behaviour help him or her feel safe and secure?

Safety and security is not overprotection….it is not keeping your child by your side every second….it is not wrapping them in cotton wool. It is providing a base for them to explore. It is helping them work out what they are feeling. It is helping them understand why the world works in the way it does.

Anyone can love a child, but not everyone can give a child the feeling of safety and security. That is what makes a good parent.

Katharine Cook is a Child and Family Psychologist who works with people to manage complex issues and solve problems creatively. With fifteen years experience in Australia and abroad, Katharine currently works in Private Practice in Sydney helping adults, adolescents and children with a wide range of psychological issues.

Do you think anybody can be a parent? Does having or loving a child make you a “good” parent?

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  1. Sally

    Great article. So very true and a fact not always widely acknowledged. It’s so frustrating when people like Charlie Sheen attempt to defend their parenting skills in simply saying that they love their children. As though that in itself is enough to get the job done and honour the real commitment being a parent demands.

    The Beatles once sang “All you need is love”… In this case I really don’t think so

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  2. Free

    ‘How does the child feel?’
    I am going to do my level best to keep those words running through my head when my toddler gets worked up and a little bit postal and I start feeling powerless to understand why he’s not listening to me.
    Thank you for a brilliant post Katharine.

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  3. lacer

    It is a hard job. It ‘s just a pity that a mistake can cause death.
    Great article.

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  4. Mia

    Katharine, thank you for your post. I have long believed that being a parent is a privilege not a right.
    Loving your child is not enough. You also have to be able to demonstrate that love by putting their needs before your own to protect their emotional, physical and mental health.
    Some people – for whatever reason, I really don’t care what your background is or how you are an addict – are not able to tick those boxes and should not have the opportunity to damage innocent kids. Parenting is about more than love or biology.

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    • Sarah

      Mia,
      You really missed the point of the article if you sum it up with ‘being a parent is a privilege not a right’

      That is a dangerous road to go down, determining who should be allowed to procreate and who doesn’t earn the privilege

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      • Mia

        What I meant was that just because you give birth to a child, it doesn’t mean you are the best person to parent that child. I’m disheartened by a system that often seems to put biology above ability and, in some cases, above the right of a child to be in a safe, loving , secure home.

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        • eternally

          I agree so strongly. I hate to hear stories about children being taken in and out of foster care, to give neglectful parents yet another chance, only to have something terrible happen to them, when there are so many people who would love to give them a good home through long term foster care or adoption.
          A while back you ran a story on a 6 month old baby that was abandoned at birth, but not adopted just in case the biological mother showed up. Whatever her back story was (most likely tragic), she herself had acknowledged she couldn’t care for the baby by abandoning it. I can understand waiting a few weeks, but not months. The baby should have been placed with an adoptive mother to start bonding ASAP.

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          • kateb

            fully agree, i know of women who are addicted to something, i feel sorry for them but the children are left with them every time they clean up their act.

            i once taught a girl who couldn’t wait until she was 15 to get away from her mother whom she kept being returned to over the years

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  5. Opinions please?

    Ok… confession time. I occasionally leave my toddler to sleep in the car for his afternoon nap (he is dropping this nap at the moment so it is almost a non issue). If he falls asleep in the car I park in our double garage (locked and secure), open all the car doors wide, the garage has internal access to the house which I keep wide open… so basically I treat the garage like another room in the house. I am always within ear shot and check on him every 5-10minutes. I NEVER do this on warm-hot days. What do you think? Is this ok? I have plenty of friends who do similar things but with cars parked in front yards etc which I personally think is negligent but I can’t imagine what could go wrong in this scenario? Seems almost safer than his bed cause he can’t get out on his own and get into any mischief if I don’t realise he is awake.

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    • Sadface

      I don’t mean to come accross as all judgey-wudgey but this is definitely wrong. I actually got a little tingle and felt real horror while reading this. You would be suprised how warm and uncomfortable it gets in cars, even with the windows down and doors open.

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      • Faybian

        You kind of are coming across as judgy wudgy. There’s a hell of a lot worse that she could be doing.

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    • Mug

      There’s nothing wrong with this as long as you’re actually doing everything you say you are. :0)

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    • Loves2bake

      If you are keeping an eye on things then I think it is fine, especially as it is indoors essentially. A mothers judgement counts for a lot.

      I completely understand what it is like to have a child that won’t transfer when asleep and the difficulties that come from not getting their full sleep. When my son was a baby he was difficult to get to sleep and would not go back to sleep even if he’d fallen asleep as I pulled up – I used to grab a novel and sit in the car in the driveway with him! It was a better option than him being overtired and screaming for a couple of hours until I could finally get him back to sleep

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    • Tripitaka

      This seems fine to me. My toddler often falls asleep in the car when we’re out on a weekend, I have spent hours upon hours sitting in parked cars reading the newspaper, while my partner takes my daughter somewhere.. I have never found our car to get hot enough to be very uncomfortable – of course, we always have doors and windows open, and try to park in the shade – windows closed and parked in the sun would be a different story, and like you say during an incredibly hot day it’s probably not a good idea. I can’t imagine how on most days though, a car parked in a garage (presumably totally in shade) could get too hot.

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    • dkmum

      I have done the same in our carport. It was a day when she’d passed out in the car and we had to go somewhere else within half an hour or so. I decided to let her sleep. However, I also decided to give my self a break from the world, and found a book and sat in the car with her. It was awesome.

      I think you’re taking the right precausions. By checking on your child so often you’d be able to see if anything was disturbing him, if his breathing was changing etc.

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    • mum of one

      Sleeping in a semi- upright position puts a strain on a developing spine and if their little head tilts forward it can cut off their oxygen – I’d rather wake my toddler up than potentially harm him.

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      • Mickie

        Baby/Booster seats are really warm to sit in for long periods with no aircon. Both of our kids didn’t transfer well if they fell asleep in the car, I grew quite adept at keeping them awake if we werent far from home, or I drove around a little longer to lengthen a nap. A few times I did some weeding while they slept in the car on the driveway with the aircon going (for 15/20 minutes)

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      • LLou

        Can everybody lighten up!?! If a Mother is sitting in her car with the sleeping child, reading a book and keeping an eye on her toddler on the very rare occasion that this would happen, I really can’t see a problem and think talk of spinal damage is an over-reaction. If it’s happening every day, that’s another issue.

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    • Anonymous

      Hope you do not ever leave the car running because carbon monoxide is a silent killer.

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      • Faybian

        Maybe if you pipe it in to your car, but otherwise not.

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        • Anonymous

          Yes it is toxic , especailly to infants ,even with the door open you should never leave your car running in a garage

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    • the Original Camille

      I do it in the carport, but I take her seat belt off so that she can come inside if she becomes uncomfortabl or wakes up.
      And I leave the front door open and do some quiet work in the room close to the front door.

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  6. Eva

    My office is in the middle of the Cbd and looks out on the hospital, remand centre, court and police station, so I truly see all types walking past. Plus there is a road in the middle. (I work in corrections) as I watch people going about their business there is always an interesting difference in people’s approach to their children. I notice that the more attentive parents effectively take responsibility for their children’s wellbeing and to me that is the difference, it’s what matters. They make sure the children cross the road safely, that they’ve got all thier belongings with them and so forth. The loving, but perhaps loving only parents basically leave the kids to their own devices. They walk along the street never looking back to see that the child is following. The kids fall over, they don’t notice, they keep walking. The kids need to make sure they’re noticed and very quickly have to be responsible for themselves. A child should be taken care of. I would point our though that those who don’t care enough about their children are across the social and economic spectrum and if you work in this industry you know wholeheartedly that is the truth.

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    • julieg

      Your observations are right on the money.

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  7. kateb

    It’s funny we all seem to have different interpretations about this article.

    My first thought was something I get on the soap box about. I think that if something happens to a child that was definitely preventable, something that a “ normal” person would know not to do then that person should be prosecuted. I don’t really care that they are devastated about losing the child.

    Examples: drowning in a pool that the gate has been deliberately left open/propped open/or no fence at all; children being run over in the drive way when there is no one designated to watch the child nor is there a fence between the back yard and the front; children who drown in farm “dams”; children who fall out of a window when the cot is against the window and no security is set up; letting a small child play with a dog without supervision ( any dog ,no matter how placid will snap if hurt, and little kids hurt without thinking) ; children who are left locked in a car during the daytime and so on
    I know I am going to be chastised about not being sensitive but sorry, I call a lot of these “accidents” neglect !!!

    And yes, I either didn’t go to the petrol station with children if I could help it or I took all of them with me to pay ( 4 children and I worked full time) And yes there are always those moments where a child escapes, or does something not expected, but if there has been no anticipation for normal childish behaviour then I shout neglect!!!

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  8. Waff

    I’ve just finished reading everyone’s comments on what I said earlier and I do appreciate what people had to say.

    For those of you who accused me of lying, that’s okay because you don’t know me. I did not make up that story and I am not a liar! Also, I am not a violent person, in fact I don’t kill flys or even cockaroaches. People who know me will attest to that.

    I didn’t exactly portray myself very well by telling everyone that I threatened to strike the women, did I? I took the risk that some of you would see me as acting as badly as the mother. But I didn’t twist the story. I said it like it happened. I did not judge the women. I understand how naughty children can be. I do not have kids. However, I come from a family of seven children. I was raised by great parents but this was a very difficult job to do. I helped raise my two younger sisters.

    To the person who said I should have been sacked. I was not. Not even close. I witnessed the entire event and it was as bad as I explained. This mother did not give the boy warning. She walked straight up to him and began striking him aggressively. He wasn’t even being naughty- he seemed happy. I know what I saw and I know he was hurting. I did assess the entire situation. I did reflect on what happened afterwards. I was a child once and I have been smacked myself.

    However, this mother was cruel and I hope that was her wake up call. I would not have hit her at all. I knew by me telling her to stop, she would. She snapped right out of it. She picked up her son and carried him away. I would not have dealt with the situation using my hands. I would have called security and then DOCS. She’s so lucky that all she got was my interference and nothing else. I love children and it really upsets me when I see them being hurt, even by parents.

    I do agree with you all that children need to be disciplined. However, to use all your force on a child the way that mother was carrying on, is WRONG!! I stand very firm on my opinion and I don’t care what anyone says. Some women should not have the right to motherhood.

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    • eternally

      Good on you for sticking up for the kid. Perhaps threatening to smack the woman was not the way to do it, but from your description this was not a simple disciplinary smack (if there is such a thing), but child abuse.

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      • Emma in Melbourne-land

        Your very brave to share your experience Waff. I know some have taken exception to you threatening to hit the lady, but I can understand how you would of come to say it. Sometimes things happen so quickly that we aren’t able to respond rationally. Good for you for standing up for that child, nothing at all to be sorry about.

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        • Waff

          Thanks Emma!! You know it’s not like me at all to threaten people. I’m calm and I’m totally against violence.

          I have a lot of respect for women and mothers. But I was so sad for that child. The mother never said mind your own business, she just starred at me in shock. I think she realised what she was doing was wrong. Maybe this is wishful thinking but just the way she picked him up and held him…I think she understood why I said what I said.

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      • Waff

        Thankyou for the support Eternally!!! I appreciate it. When I reflected on the situation after it happened. I knew it was wrong to threaten the mother. But to see that boy so happy and then so sad, the way he was being smacked…it really affected me.

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  9. jec

    Before baby #2 we had to have a social worker check us out thoroughly, have a medical examination, undergo a police check, and do a parenting course. Why? Because we were adopting a child into our family. We didn’t have to do any of those things before baby #1 who was not adopted.

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    • rainbow

      wow. that is such a thought provoking comment. it doesn’t really make sense does it?

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    • dkmum

      This scenario really gets to me too. I understand why there are in depth checks of adopting parents, you wouldn’t want to remove a child from a poor situation and place it into a different one, but it does seem to me that a similar way of checking up on expecting parents would be a good idea.

      Does anyone know if Child Health Nurses have any authority or even skills to ‘investigate’ parents?

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      • whatahooha

        It depends on what state you’re in. Some states have mandatory reporting if the professional thinks there is abuse.

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        • JL

          Actually pretty much all professions that work with babies/children have a mandated notification obligation – it’s not state based. Teachers, nurses, doctors all have an obligation to report if they perceive child abuse or neglect.

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    • MissT

      Interesting, isn’t it? We have to go through rigorous testing to drive a car, yet not bring life in the world? Sometimes I think we should have to pass a test to get a parenting license…

      But then the government would just find a way to make it a revenue raiser, I’m sure. And it’s not exactly a practical idea.

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  10. edlie

    i want to weigh in, after reading some of the below comments.

    The reason that the maximum penalty for leaving a child in a car is a $22,000 fine, and a matter that DOCS gets involved in, is because the consequences are so serious and they happen so quickly.

    Adults do not overheat in the same way or at the same speed as a child.
    We think we will be ok for 5 minutes in the car, so they will be ok while i run into the store/get bread/buy petrol.

    The education around this issue has been massive.
    MASSIVE.

    The fact that we are all debating this (some below are even questioning why there is legislation around this issue of child safety in the first place) while only this past weekend (when it wasnt even very hot) a child has died because a mum left them in the car…..it would be ironic if it wasnt so scary. A child died, and we are still debating whether its ok to leave them in the car for five minutes? ten?

    I feel for that mum. That is sad and tragic and horrible beyond words for everyone involved, including the emergency personnel who tried to save the child at the medical centre and the hospital.
    But i dont understand why the child was left in the car in the first place.

    Sometimes parents trust to their better judgement, when it turns out their judgement isnt better.
    Please please please – just dont risk it. Please.

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  11. Maddy

    Many years ago a mother went to pay for her petrol left the windows down on a warm spring night about 7pm, for her two kids, a guy stole her car with the kids inside. An hour or so later police found the 4yo dumped at a fish’n'chip shop and after a VERY long night at 9am next morning found the car and 7month still strapped in the back!

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    • Faybian

      Thats a hard one. Who of us, if we’re honest takes our kids out at the petrol station? I know I don’t.

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      • eternally

        I agree, it is a hard one. I have a 3 month old, and have not bought petrol since she arrived (I haven’t had to drive too much, and my husband has had to fill up for me). If I take her out, it takes a while, so those behind me will get frustrated, and I worry I’ll trip or drop her while I’m fumbling with keys & trying to pay. It seems exceptionally unlikely someone is going to break in, start & steal my station wagon while they are in my line of sight (not to mention security cameras that all servos have these days). But if it happened, it would be devastating.

        Edited to add: oops, didn’t see this had already been discussed below.

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      • JellyBelly

        Actually i’m one of those parents that fill up when i’m by myself. Especially when not long ago in Melbourne, a man set a person on fire at the petrol station. Very scary situation, so i make sure i either take the kids out of the car or go when they’re not with me.

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        • Faybian

          I’m quite often alone at night, my husband works long hours and is also a shift worker, so my opportunities to go to a servo by myself are limited.

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      • sometimeskaren

        In this case, if she’d just taken the keys out of the ignition it would have never happened.

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        • An Idle Dad

          Urban myth sorted.

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        • Kris2040

          I’ve left K in the car at the servo. I just go to one that’s emptyish so I know I’m not going to have to wait for ages to pay, take the keys and lock the car. Easy. And she’s always in my line of sight anyway.

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      • Anonymous

        Well, that’s just bad parenting.

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  12. Diane

    I love the quote from your mother. It captures exactly the essence of what most people miss, “it’s not all about you”, it is about how others perceive you. If you’re too focused on yourself, then you miss the opportunity to see how you can be a better person.

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  13. How do you judge me?

    My response may be a little different as I am writing from my perspective.I love my children enormously. They delight and intrigue me. They are all uniquely different. Am I answering my own question? I know that I am a good mother. I scratch backs, I give advice when asked, I attend all functions required, drive to parties and functions and back – normal Mother stuff. I am always there in good times and bad. Bad I know, but I buy them everything they ask for within reason, because I can and I love them. I love what they give to me. However, in my heart of hearts I never believed that I would be a mother; that this would be my life. I knew that one day I would have children, because isn’t that what every woman wants? I had children because I thought that I should. I sometimes wonder if I will live long enough to fulfil a dream precious to me; one that I certainly could not have afforded when I was younger and before children, yet is within its grasp now… Would I give that dream up now and sacifice my marriage and children…? No. I think for me that I need to continue to save and wait until my children are older for me to fulfil my lifetime goal of travel. Maybe if I wait long enough I can take them with me.

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    • The fact that you obviously have knowledge of your children’s needs, shows that you are indeed a good parent :) and just so you are aware, its very possible you will be able to kick back and travel when they are older.

      I know of a handful of people doing that, and have been for years when their children are of age (my parents included!).

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      • How do you judge me?

        Thank you!

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        • Peta

          I’ve been on 3 overseas holidays since my daughter was born – she is now 4. My 2 year old has also been on 2 of those holidays.

          It is possible to travel with kids – even young kids. It absolutely changes the type of holiday you will have but it doesn’t make it any less enjoyable.

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          • Laws for Clouds

            I know this isn’t possible for everyone, but I just returned from ten days overseas without the kids while they stayed with their grandparents. I still got to travel, but in a short burst.

            I also love taking the kids.

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            • Peta

              I would love to do a quick overseas holiday without my kids (because it does make it a very different holiday – actually a relaxing one!) but I’m too paranoid of what might happen whilst my husband and I are away. The thought of something happening to us and them being left with no parents freaks me out too much!

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  14. MissT

    When I met my future stepdaughter, I did not feel like a parent, I felt like a child. I was scared and I wanted desperately for her to like me.

    After a couple of days, we went to a fare and Husband left her in my & his mother’s care to go do something. He told her no matter what, Tamsin will take care of you, keep with Tamsin and you will be safe.

    I said she could choose two rides and she chose a mini-climbing wall (for kids). She was getting ready to go and she was scared. She looked across the crowd at my mother in law, her FarMor who had known and loved her her whole life. The expression on her face went to one of absolute panic as she yelled “WHERE’S TAMSIN?!”

    When I leant forward and answered “I’m right here behind you”, she turned and the look on her face was pure relief. She wrapped her arms around me and smiled the biggest smile.

    In that moment, she knew, no matter what happened, she was safe with me. I would never leave her, I would always watch out for her, I would always have her back.

    We barely knew each other. We’d only known each other for 2 days. But in that moment, I felt like a parent.

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    • Peta

      Such a beautiful story. That’s all.

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    • Christy

      Tamsin, you’ve made me cry. What a gorgeous story.

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  15. JellyBelly

    The Washington Post article, ‘Fatal Distraction’ won a Pulitzer Prize last year when it examined whether forgetting about a child in the backseat of a car and then the child dying was an accident or crime. It is a heart wrenching and unforgettable piece. The reality is that most people ‘love’ their children and don’t intentionally put them in harms way, however it only takes one small distraction that can ultimately cause harm. We are all falliable and even the most safety conscious parent can make a mistake.
    I recommend Fatal Distraction to everyone but please be warned it is graphic and heart breaking. I read it last year because I could never understand how someone can leave a small child all alone in a hot car or how can anyone forget their baby in their car seat. But it happens, and the reality is that it can happen to anyone.

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    • Rick Morton

      I read that article. It was horrifying and made me so torn on the issue.

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      • JellyBelly

        Yep, I agree I’m still torn on the issue too. It is such a haunting article because I still think about it a lot.

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    • An Idle Dad

      For me, it cemented why legislation is never going to override situational judgement and does more harm than good.

      If a bus stop is across the street from your house, and the nearest zebra crossing is two hundred metres away, you cross the street, even if it is illegal.

      Legislation harms innocent parents but doesn’t ever prevent the kind of deaths mentioned in the article.

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      • Tripitaka

        There is an important distinction here: the article that JellyBelly was referring to was about parents who’ve left their babies in the car, and forgotten about them, completely by accident. They are terribly tragic stories.

        But some parents leave their kids in the car knowingly – I’m not talking about running in to the shops – I’m talking about for much longer periods of time. A while back there was an issue of parents who left their kids in the car while they went to the casino to gamble. This sort of thing – intentionally leaving children in cars for long periods of time – should be legislated against, because it can be prevented.

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        • JellyBelly

          Thank you Tripitaka, that’s exactly what i was coming back in to say. There was a huge increase in kids being left alone in cars for endless hours when the Crown Casino opened in Melbourne many years ago. These parents did so knowing that they would be in the casino for god knows how long. It wasn’t a matter of popping into the shops to buy a loaf of bread.

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    • edlie

      Incredibly disturbing and heartbreaking and confronting and challenging article.
      Im glad that there is discretion on when to prosecute a parent.

      Life can be grey, and the law operates not just in the black and white, but also in the grey.

      That said, there is an innocent blameless victim in all those cases, who all died terrible painful deaths.

      Very very very tough.

      I would be very happy if that article became required reading for every parent.
      The horror and the reality of it may imprint on us the way other safety messages do.

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  16. Anonymous

    My partner is like this. When I first met him he banged on about how much he loved his boys. As time Goes by I see that whilst he loves them he is not a good dad. He sees them when conveinent, puts his needs first when they are there and whilst has the intention to put money aside for them, it never happens.

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    • Anonymous

      Obviously, I don’t know a thing about your relationship, but I would be staying well clear of having children with this man. I couldn’t have a child with somebody that I didn’t respect as a Father. Most people don’t get a chance to see how their partner behaves as a parent, you do! As Dr Phil would say, “The best predictor of future behaviour, is past behaviour”.

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  17. Mel

    Being a parent is such a difficult job.Most parents are just trying to do their best.Maybe the changes that are needed to be made are the changes in how we support other parents in their decisions on raising their children.Working mothers…fantastic! Stay at home mums…brilliant! Too tired to make dinner tonight…baked beans on toast…bring it on! Breast feeding, bottle feeding…both are fine! Next time you see a mother losing it in the super market….help, don’t criticize! (And I’m not talking about abuse, obviously this is different).Oh and vaccinations do not cause autism…as I have a child with autism who is not vaccinated!…..try not to judge me…it’s hard isn’t it?

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  18. An Idle Dad

    I also wish you added: safety and security is not found in legislation.

    Charging a parent who’s actions have caused injury or death of a child: fine.

    Charging a parent who’s actions have not caused injury or death of a child, but have the potential to: not fine.

    I’ve left my kids in the car. I’ve got four kids including two newborns. No freaking way am I getting the pram out for the twins then dragging the kids into a petrol station so I can pay. They’re fine in the car for a few minutes and if it’s hot, I’ll leave the side doors open.

    Same picking up the kids from childcare (when we did it). If it’s hot, I’ll leave doors open – no one is going to steal my car with two babies in it.

    Just because something has the potential to cause harm, doesn’t mean we should ban it. Car heat deaths are tragic accidents, ones that obviously happen whether or not it is legal or illegal to leave a child in a car.

    Love isn’t enough but you can’t legislate safety.

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    • anthonysherratt

      Funnily enough when I first became a dad this was a huge thing. The first time I pulled up at a petrol station I froze wondering what the hell do I do? Even now I still feel a bit bad about leaving the locked car for a few minutes (though never out of sight – I always ensure it’s at a bowser I can see from the cashier’s booth or I wait).

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      • red shoes

        I always used to lock the car when I went in to pay for petrol, but someone pointed out to me, how would people get the kids out if something happened…

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      • An Idle Dad

        I don’t lock the car! Take the kids! Please!

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        • Faybian

          Gold….
          If only

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      • Happymum

        I always worry that if I locked the car with the kids in it, if I suddenly died of a heart attack no one would know that I had kids in there and they would die too.

        I know, I think of the worst-case scenario too much.

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      • shanny

        doesn’t everyone leave their kids in the car to get petrol? i run in to the local shop too. the three year old is sensible enough not to panic, and the baby is very chilled. doors locked, windows widely cracked. i would not, however, leave children in the car on a warm day, no matter how much of a pain in the arse it is to get them out!

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    • Benita (MissBenben)

      Idle, I always left my kids in the car at the petrol station too. My logic was, when I had a 1yo, a 2yo and a 3yo, there was more potential for them to be hurt if I actually got them out of the car than if I left them in it. Attempting to get 3 toddlers across a busy petrol station driveway into the shop to pay??

      Nightmare.

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      • red shoes

        and besides, how pissed off would you be waiting behind a car that had to get 3 kids out of car seats, walk to pay, line up, pay, then walk back, put 3 kids back in car seats then go….

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        • An Idle Dad

          I feel guilty enough when people follow us in car parks to our car (when it is busy and hard to get a car park) because it litterally takes us five or so minutes to unpack the pram, get two girls and the twin babies into the car and then put the pram away.

          If I did it at the petrol station, the kids wouldn’t die from the heat, but I’d be burnt to death by angry lazer death ray looks from the people waiting.

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          • Meg

            I am extremely conscious of the death stares, too, but I don’t care. I couldn’t live with myself if something happened to my daughter which I could’ve prevented if I’d placed her higher up in my priorities. Obviously, one kid is easier to lug from the car than multiples, but I think I’d then just wait til someone else was around to fill up. I simply cannot leave her in the vehicle alone.

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          • Loves2bake

            Last Christmas the man waiting to take my car spot not only told me to take as much time as I needed with my two boys, pram and shopping, but he also put my trolley back for me!! Completely made my day and was a nice change from the steering wheel tapping and cross looks

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        • whatahooha

          I have literally timed it at 15 minutes – from time of getting to car, to having everyone happily strapped in and being able to drive away.

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    • Laws for Clouds

      I heard the reason they started pushing for people to never leave their kids in the car was because so many people left the car running or with the keys in it.

      I generally used to fill up at a station that had *pump service* that was near my house. Fancy. I didn’t even have to get out of the car.

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    • Anonymous

      Normally I try to avoid getting petrol when it’s just me and my toddler in the car. If I’m picking someone up, I get them first and then get the petrol, or if I’m dropping her off, I drop her off and get petrol on the way back. But sometimes there is no other way… and when that happens I admit it: I leave her in the car. I’ll never leave her in the car if I need to go into a shop though… even if it’s just for 5 minutes. I’d never forgive myself if something happened.

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    • JellyBelly

      Idle Dad, on this issue of leaving the kids in the car, even if it is paying for petrol, I respectfully disagree with you. That’s all I’ll say as I’m sure this issue will open up a huge can of worms!

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      • An Idle Dad

        I don’t mind if you make a different parenting decision to me – I’m completely cool with that. My problem is when the government leans in with legislation and make it a crime to leave kids in the car for even a second, even if no harm comes to the kids at all.

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        • JellyBelly

          It is definitely an issue with plenty of grey areas. I mean where do we draw the line? When is it ok to leave them in the car, when it’s 10 degrees or 20 degrees, how long is ok, 10min or an hour?

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        • Stephanie

          Hear, hear!
          I leave my two in the car, doors locked but windows open and parked close to the cashier.
          If I tried getting them in and out again everytime I stopped at a servo, I’d lose my sanity.

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    • Anonymous

      You can legislate neglect…How could any one not know a baby left in a hot car will kill them very quickly. Yes I work in child protection too. Lets hope this helps educate others. That poor little baby I hate to thaink of her suffering. Stupid neglect!!!

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      • An Idle Dad

        Neglect leading to injury or death I have no problem. Assuming neglect when a situation ‘may’ led to death I do have a problem with.

        If I’m not feeding my child right now, it doesn’t mean I’ll let them starve to death, but if my child was malnorised then that’s proof of neglect.

        Likewise leaving a child in a car for a short period of time is not neglect.

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        • edlie

          leaving a kid in the car for even a short time endangers their life, it takes only minutes to die, which is relatively quick, although it is not painless for the child or animal left in the hot car.

          it is this kind of thinking that is incredibly dangerous to continue to promulgate – never leave a child in the car, no exceptions. including ‘ive just got her down to sleep’ etc. better a cranky crying kid than an unconscious or dead one.

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          • An Idle Dad

            Really? What about at night? How does the car get hot then?

            The ‘even a short time is deadly’ statement is like the ‘never stop the elevator door closing because you’ll get your hand cut off people’. Millions do it daily yet have both arms, ruining the effectiveness of your goal, which is the same as mine – safety.

            You can’t just lay down black and white rules that aren’t actually true then judge on high. Educate for common sense and judgement is far more effective.

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          • Loves2bake

            Edlie – getting my two toddlers out of the car would actually leave them in a non-running car for longer (as they are both toddlers and have to be removed from their seats by me) than if I went inside to pay without them. But I would never do it if it was a hot day and there was any risk of the car heating up – but in that case I have to forgo petrol. In my opinion it is far more dangerous my trying to carry/lead two toddlers across to pay. Legislation mustn’t replace commonsense and it’s for this reason police have a lot of discretion in using this law

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    • Alexis

      I always take my kids into the petrol station with me to pay. I have 2 kids and i will always plan ahead to either only fill up when i have one of them with me or pop out at night to fill the car up when my hubby is home and can look after the kids. The only time one of them would be left in the car by themselves for less than a minute is when i’m getting both of them out of the car and they’ve both fallen asleep and need to be carried inside.

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    • sometimeskaren

      Handy fact sheet for you…

      Page 2 includes the legislation which stipulates that it’s only illegal to leave kids in the car if they’re likely to be distressed or harmed.

      So feel free to keep leaving them to get petrol!

      http://www.community.nsw.gov.au/docswr/_assets/main/documents/kidsincars_fact.pdf

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    • edlie

      Seatbelt laws are a great example of how legislating for safety can work.
      Compare our stats with the US for example, who do not have seatbelt laws.

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      • An Idle Dad

        Drink driving laws are a better example. Driving drunk is very dangerous, but it’s OK and legal to drink a little bit and still be safe behind the wheel.

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    • tallicachild

      “no one is going to steal my car with two babies in it.” this is a very naive statement.

      When I was in year 4, and my little sister was in yr 1, my mum picked us up from after school care and then we drove around the corner to the pre-school to pick my brother up. Mum left us in the car, with the doors open, as she was literally going inside for not even 5 minutes to sign him out and pick him up.
      The moment she was inside, a car pulled up just in front of us, a man jumped out, opened the passenger door and stole my mum’s handbag.

      The guys in the car hadn’t seen us. Because we were children and our heads probably couldn’t be seen above the back seat from behind. And, they were in a stolen vehicle anyway – it’s amazing what some people will do for drug money.
      I’m not saying it’s my mum’s fault for leaving us there in the car, she’d done it countless times before, and neither my sister nor I are scarred from the scenario. But, the situation could have been a lot worse. What if it was our car that they decided to steal instead of the one they were already in? They would have just jumped in without even checking if we were in the back.

      Criminals aren’t really known for their commonsense.

      It is negligent to leave children in a car, especially with the wealth of information that proves it can cause death. Full stop. It’s not even an unlikely ‘tragic’ outcome. It is a very possible one. I’m in the camp that we legislate too much today over silly things, but I think it should be illegal to leave kids in the car. Irrefutably, it can cause harm. I can’t believe people are still debating this.

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  19. red shoes

    Reminds me of the saying ‘you have to be cruel to be kind’.
    Absolutely kids need love, they can never have too much, but to truly love a child you have to be the baddie sometimes. Saying no, creating boundaries, taking things away are not fun, they are unfortunately necessary sometimes, but not fun. You cannot pick and choose which bits of parenting you want to do, I believe it’s pretty much all or nothing.

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  20. Waff

    Hi Katharine! Brilliant article and this has also been on my mind. You couldn’t be more right when you said: “Love was not enough,” this does not make you good parent. I’ve come to the conclusion that not all women should be given the chance to motherhood and maybe I should be including all people in that statement. There have been too many stories about women mistreating their children.

    Having worked in retail, you witness some crazy things about people, parents, mothers and customers. I’ll never forget the day I witnessed this mother completely loose control. Her son had been running around in the department store, laughing and hiding amongst the clothing racks. I was watching him, he was so excited. All of a sudden, slap, slap, slap, slap, slap and slap. The mother was violently striking her son. Before she continued, I quickly ran across to her and said: “you strike that boy one more time, I’m going to strike you myself.” Was I wrong? Was it my business to interfere? YES! And I’m glad I did. This women had no discipline and she went over- board. This poor child probably didn’t understand why he was getting smacked.

    This experience has never left me and this is not the only one I’ve witnessed–there have been so many. To this day I can still remember how that boy yelled and cried and how sad he looked. I felt terrible because I knew I couldn’t really do anything about it. That crazy mother was probably going to smack him like that for the next 5 to 8 years of his life. In my head I thought, how was that boy going to grow up? How badly was that kind of abuse going to impact on his life.

    You hear mothers murdering children, microwaving them, being negligent like the case of the mother leaving the child in the car. There are also issues of heavy drug and alcohol use. I focus this statement on mothers because I think my father was right when he said: “the child is always closer to the mother because it’s born inside her body, her womb. she needs to nurture it when it’s inside and out.” Now whether people agree with me and my father or not. Some women should really consider if it’s right for them to have children. Because it requires a large degree of patience and discipline.

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    • marmalady

      Good on you. I hope he remembers you forever, a stranger who stood up for him…what a powerful seed you planted. But I also think his Mum probably already felt like crap or she wouldn’t be acting that way. I wish there was a way to support the mums too. Some really have it tough and its very hard to behave differently when that behaviour is all you’ve known yourself, when you’re under a lot of financial strain and lack support.

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      • Waff

        Thanks Marmalady. I think a few people took what I said wrong. I am not trying to be a hero. I do hope this was a wake up call for the mother. I also wish we could provide support for mums because for all we know, she could be struggling with motherhood and maybe her marriage..who knows. That’s why I did not judge her. I just think someone needed to snap her out of it.

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        • Guest

          Your statement
          “That crazy mother was probably going to smack him like that for the next 5 to 8 years of his life. In my head I thought, how was that boy going to grow up? How badly was that kind of abuse going to impact on his life”
          shows that you were, in fact, judging that mother. Maybe you were right (and maybe wrong) and her reaction at that point in time (as you describe it) was wrong, but based on what you wrote in your original comment you did make assumptions about that mother and her ability as a parent.

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          • Mia

            Of course Waff was judging the mother. As I would. How can you NOT judge someone who is laying into their child?
            I wish more people would confront parents who hit their children.
            I always thing ‘if they do that in public, what must they do in private???”

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            • Guest

              Mia – if you’ll re-read Waff’s comment and then my own you’ll see that I was replying to her assertion that she was not judging the mother. I was simply trying to point out that she actually was.

              Usually I try very hard to not judge other parents even if I disagree with their parenting choices, but in this case I would have judged her behavior and hope/think I would have stepped in as well. I just wish people wouldn’t hide behind the ‘I’m not judging, but…’ statement.

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            • Waff

              Thankyou for the support Mia!!!

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    • An Idle Dad

      If not all women can have children, who decides? You?

      Can you spot a coward before the war? The hero? You can’t pick the good parent either.

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      • Waff

        Hi Idle Dad,

        You did not witness what I did. I explained the story very briefly. This child was not behaving badly. He seemed happy and excited. His mother seemed very impatient and crazy. Maybe she was in a bad mood. She didn’t look like the most approachable person.

        That mother was slapping her son across his face. Hard, strong slaps. I was not going to stand there observing this absurd behaviour. I’m glad I threw in my 2 cents worth.

        Also I don’t bitch about loud children. It’s part of life and growing up. How can I? I was like that once I’m sure. Any parent who is expecting their child to be well mannered all the time, is dreaming. What really counts is the way with deal with their behaviour because children do remember the way they were treated.

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        • Anonymous

          Waff – don’t listen to the Haters! You were young and inexperienced, and you reacted on gut instinct to stop that situation in its tracks. Good on you! Rather than being sacked, you should have been given a medal.

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    • An Idle Dad

      Also, I don’t buy your Dad’s statement for a single second. Good Dads are better than absent Dads are better than bad Dads.

      If you think a kid running off and hiding at the mall is just good fun, then I’m guessing you don’t have kids. Once I was at a restaurant and my five year old daughter wouldn’t stay at the table. She was being the loud annoying kid you probably bitch about and say something like “Those parents should do something”.

      When she wouldn’t come back to the table one time, I got up to get her, there was a few stupid moments of chasing around the table then she took off out the door and ran across a main street that had cars driving down it, to a little fountain she’d seen earlier and decided to play in it.

      When I caught up with her I pulled her pants down on the spot and gave her a few mark leaving smacks on her bare bum. We then went straight to the car and went home (I text my wife to pay the bill and to appologise to our friends).

      To this day, she behaves at restaurants and doesn’t run across streets. And at six and a half, she’s right at the upper limit of where smacking has any effect. So it won’t be used ongoing.

      If you’d come up to me on that day, you would have gotten an earfull right back. You might talk about that bad Dad who lost control and shouldn’t be allowed to have kids, I see a Dad who’s kid who learnt a very good lesson about danger and manners.

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      • Loves2bake

        I think we often have to LOOK like bad parents in order to BE good parents because people will often make judgments on your ability as a parent based on what they see over a 5 minute period, when quite frankly it would just be easier to give the child what they want.

        I have a very active toddler who loves to explore and run around all the time – the only time he really sits is to watch a DVD. And while some people may assume I have a feral child they may not realize that I am working my butt off to teach him that he cannot run off and what would happen if I really did let him do as he wished. After a recent scare where he managed to get away while at the shops the other day and took 20 mins to find I have decided to buy one of those harnesses – am waiting to see the judgment that will come when I first have to use it. But his safety is my first priority, as yours was with your daughter. Good on you for doing what he needed, not what was socially acceptable

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        • Elky

          Good for you; better a harness than a child who runs in front of a car! Everyone who’s seen a toddler move like lightning if you take your eyes off them for a second will understand.

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        • Essie

          There is NOTHING wrong with a harness! They’re useful tools, especially if you are juggling a toddler and a baby, or carrying anything. I applaud you for making this choice in the interest of your child’s safety and not in the interest of onlookers.

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    • My child, my discipline

      HOW DARE YOU? If you were working at the time that incident occurred, you should have been sacked on the spot. Fancy not just telling a customer off, but actually threatening to hit her? Can you please explain to me how threatening to slap someone else sets an example of appropriate discipline? I think your story is made up.

      Having children DOES require a large degree of patience and discipline, but who are you to decide at what point patience runs out and discipline kicks in for somebody else’s child?

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      • In all fairness, the story is pretty clear that there were several slaps of the child before Waff stepped in.

        Im not saying that what Waff said or did is right, but doing nothing when witnessing that sort of thing, is all sorts of wrong. So many forms of violence are wrong, but a society that will ‘walk on by’ is so much worse.

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        • My child, my discipline

          I think the threat to the lady was made up, which makes me think the number of slaps was also exaggerated. Child abuse is intolerable. I don’t think this was a case of child abuse.

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          • Waff

            The story was not made up and I could tell you of other stories where I have stood up for other people and it’s almost cost me my life. Why do you refuse to accept that this happened? Parents can be very violent with their children. This was child abuse. I witnessed it and you did not.

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      • Mia

        My Child My Discipline,
        Ugh.
        How dare she? How dare she step in and intervene to protect a child from being hit repeatedly? Thank God she did.
        Maybe it made that woman think for one second about how she was treating her child.
        Good thing, I say.
        Just because you are a parent, that does not and should not mean you have licence to mistreat them.

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        • childpsychkc

          My child, my discipline- When you state “child abuse is intolerable” but in the same breathe accuse someone of lying about observing a child being harmed or the story being exaggerated and condem them for describing how they intervened, I feel the need to provide you with some information about child abuse.
          Child abuse continues to be a problem in our society for many reasons- one of those being people standing by and passively allowing it to occur. Every time we turn our heads from children being harmed or don’t believe it when they disclose abuse, we contribute to the harm that is being done.
          I have worked with many children who have been harmed, and I have heard time and time again of the times children have themselves pleaded with adults, family, friends or strangers to help- and their cries fall on deaf ears or turned away eyes.
          Waff’s situations sounds terrible, and although threatening to hit the mother wasn’t the best response, no response would have seemed worse to me.

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          • Waff

            Thankyou Katharine!! I know what I did right and what I did wrong. I was very young when this happened and perhaps I should have mentioned that. Now when I look back on the situation, I realise watching that boy being damaged physically, mentally and emotionally really caused me so much grief and thats why I reacted like that. It also saddened me that no one else stepped in. However, people were looking at the mother with disapproval. I don’t regret what I said to the mother, I know it was wrong but I was a teenager and the mother was intimidating.

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      • Coastal Mum

        A quick smack on the bum is VERY different from slapping your toddler in the face REPEATEDLY. The mother should have been reported to DOCS…if she behaves like that in public who knows what goes on at home! That kid needs help, never mind about the psycho mother.

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        • My child, my discipline

          I read the original story, when it did not say the child was hit in the face – I did not see the other comments. What I read into it was that the child was smacked (probably on the bottom), probably a couple of times. I was outraged that Waff threatened violence back to the lady, which I think was the wrong way of handling the situation.

          This is an extremely emotional issue. Child abuse is DISGUSTING, but I was trying to make the point that disciplining a child with a smack is not ALWAYS child abuse.

          As An Idle Dad said, being a parent is difficult and you don’t know the circumstances leading up to the event.

          Hitting a child in the face is not on, and had I read that earlier I would not have defended the lady to the extent I did.

          I’m sorry if I offended anyone who thought I was promoting ignoring child abuse… this is not the case.

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    • Loves2bake

      The way that mother reacted was not okay, but you would have helped that mother and son more if you had stepped in earlier and helped her supervise her child for five minutes so she could do what she needed to do and move on. Too often people watch from a distance and judge rather than seeing a need and offering help. I was in a situation once where my toddler had a complete meltdown and I had to get him, his baby brother and shopping bags to the car. I was helpless but a number of people stood around watching the show (and some, I daresay, were judging my ability as a parent, even though the tantrum was because I wouldn’t give in to his demand to continue playing). Finally a woman stepped up and helped me get to the car and I am entirely grateful to her.

      I think it is great that you stood up for that little boy, and you did more than a lot of other people would. But threatening violence to end violence is not a good lesson for him to learn

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    • hannahfromsa

      Thank you for reacting Waff. I think it’s fine to judge parents who abuse children. And since abuse lives in secrecy and fear, confronting the parent is an amazingly brave thing to do. And most normal adults can see the difference between a smack and abuse.

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  21. sometimeskaren

    Great article – and not only applicable to child-rearing.

    I know I think I’m a great daughter, wife, sister, friend etc… because I *love* those people. But if I were to put myself in those people’s shoes I’d probably come up short.

    We’re pretty darn good in this day and age at putting our own needs first and only seeing the world from our own perspective.

    Growing up I would think of where I wanted to live, what I wanted to do for a job, where I wanted to travel, who I wanted to marry. I didn’t give a thought to what might be good for my family or community. It was all about growing up and becoming independent so I could live life *my* way and manage my relationships so they didn’t interfere with *my* desires too much.

    It’s a very Western thing to develop your self-identity from the individual perspective. I greatly admire those cultures (like Indigenous Australians, for example) who have a collectivist culture and who develop their worldview from the perspective of being interrelated.

    So, it’s no small wonder (in my opinion) that many of us (me included) find it hard to adjust to motherhood and having to constantly look at things from my children’s perspective. Like, thinking “If I were my daughter right now, what would I need? How would I interpret this? What would make me feel secure?” And then to look at parenting from my husband’s perspective in order to understand why he believes other ways are better… and so on!

    I really don’t know which way is better for society as a whole – individualist or collectivist – but I do know which way works better in my home. And I’m not there yet.

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    • Eternal Caterpillar

      Fantastic point, Karen.

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    • Sarah

      Great comment!

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  22. MDW

    What a great article, and SO true. I have so many childhood issues based around the fact that I was left open to a lot of bad experiences that could have been easily avoided. Yes, I had a bed to sleep in, yes I was fed, and I don’t doubt that I was loved… but my parents didn’t protect me. I do everything in my power to make sure my children never feel that same way.

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  23. Baby Nightingale

    I’m a foster carer and I completely agree that there are very few parents who do not “love” their children. The babies and children who come to stay in our middle class, happy, sometimes a little too decadent, Eastern Suburbs family home, arrive with dirty clothes two sizes too small. They usually have illnesses that have gone untreated. Nits and all manner of other parasites. They don’t know the difference between breakfast, lunch and dinner. Most steal our food and their jaws continually drop at the lifestyle my children live.

    The one thing they all have in common: Parents who love them and would do anything to get them back. The majority of these parents can’t actually do what they need to do to get them back. Or they do it for a little while, and then slip back into the same behaviors. Others are really good at pretending they’re doing the right thing.

    Currently we have an 8 year old boy. His Mum has diabetes and other health/mental conditions. Twice a week he visits her for “contact” and comes home with two enviro shopping bags FILLED with lollies, chocolates, chips and junk. This little boy says that this is his diet at home and it’s how his Mum “shows how much she loves me”. On top of each bag she places a few apples and mandarins to show the case workers all of the healthy food that she feeds him… They buy this every time.

    Another child told me he knew that his Mum loved him most of all our of six children because she only hit the others. She also trusted him to mind all five other children while she went out overnight and he said this was proof that she lived and trusted him. He was eleven. The youngest was 8 months.

    Love is definitely not enough.

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    • Jenna

      I really admire foster carers, you do a remarkable job in very difficult circumstances.

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    • red shoes

      I wish, wish, wish that we didn’t need people to be foster carers, it breaks my heart. But I am very, very glad that there are people like you willing to be.

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    • Faybian

      I get the fun job of “dobbing people in” to DOCS. So I and my colleagues probably help contribute to your workload. I visit “high risk” families as part of my job and some of the things I’ve seen would make your hair curl.

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    • Mia

      Bravo to you Baby Nightingale. You must want to shake those parents…….

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      • childpsychkc

        hence why we have workers to take children to contact- so that foster carers don’t shake the parents.

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  24. katec

    The reason I want children is because I want to make good people. When I dream about having babies then toddlers then kids I’m dreaming about the stories I’ll tell them, the lessons I’ll teach them, the experiences I’ll show them and how I’m going to help them to be people who make the world a better place in some small way.
    As a paediatric nurse I see a lot of sad things and it’s certain that not all parents show love to their children in a form I can recognise. It’s also true though that I’ve seen damage done by parents who do love their children. I fell in love with a baby recently whose mother had injected an overdose of morphine and then insisted on breastfeeding the baby. Luckily she was okay, but it’s hard to reconcile those two actions.

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  25. TC

    While I think this article from Katherine is quite thoughtful and insightful, I must question the inclusion of the paragraph on parents undergoing a separation. Certainly this paragraph could apply to parents not separating. In particular: ” When a parent is overcome by his or her own needs, it becomes very difficult to put the needs of their children first.” There are many stressors in life that can see parents behave this way, irrespective of their relationship status. Indeed, appalling behaviour can occur within nuclear families, single-parent families and separated families. I feel that this paragraph unfairly singles out separated families, which is a shame in an otherwise valuable article.

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    • childpsychkc

      I totally agree TC. I certainly wasnt meaning to imply that separating parents are more likley to act in this way. I used this as an example that many people can relate to. It is true that there are many stressors that lead to adults being consummed by their own needs, whether that be grief, loss, mental health issues, financial distress etc. There are many times that people can become completely overwhemed by their situation…it is just important to remember the children’s needs at this time too. KC

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  26. roserusso

    I really enjoyed this article. I just spent the weekend visiting my bestie in QLD who just had her first baby. Their little family is just beautiful… her partner bathes her every evening and that’s their daddy/daughter time and he took time to tell me just how happy he is and how much he appreciates her staying at home taking care of their little one.
    I am just so happy for my best friend because they have finally found true happiness with one another and peace in a relationship equals a happy baby. I burst into tears of happiness when they described the feeling of being first time parents – I’m not a mum yet but I hope to be one day. I feel so lucky to have her in my life and so blessed that we can all share this moment together…

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  27. Steve

    I think Love is enough, the problem is that too many of us don’t understand what Love really is or means.

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    • roserusso

      agreed. I learnt a lot from my last relationship.. one thing I’m going to do differently is ask my next partner what is one thing I can do every day that would make you happier (most answers would probably be sex, but other than that haha) I know that during winter I would just love someone to draw me a bath or make me a cup of tea – that would brighten my day 100% and I want to do that for someone else

      I guess it comes back to happy parents = happy child

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    • Craig

      I think you are right. If your partner beats you up and leaves you with black eye’s but you keep going back because “he love’s you” what will your friends say? They will say he doesn’t really love you and get the hell out of there. But if we do the same to our kids we accept the excuse that they love them but are just not good parents.

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  28. picardie.girl

    This is a really great article; thank you, Katharine. My parents provided me with an extremely solid base and it has allowed me to freely experience life while feeling safe and secure.

    Your mum sounds like a wise woman. :)

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    • childpsychkc

      Your comment made me smile. My mum was very happy when I told her what you said!

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  29. frangipani

    I remember the midwives in hospital discussing that feeling of desperation with your baby and their crying and how common it is to feel like you are at the end of your rope with it. It was hard to imagine in the warm glow of new motherhood with all those midwives and nurses on hand to help out with the baby, but when I got home I realised what this meant and why it was so important that they discussed it with us and went through strategies to help us cope.

    Two things they suggested: first put your crying baby in the cot or playpen where they are safe and go out of the room for as long as it takes to boil the kettle and let yourself calm down in those minutes. Second: If you are really stressed out (and you have a friend or family member nearby) call them to come over and help you and then when they get there, jump into the shower for 10 minutes or so where you can’t hear the baby crying and you know your baby is safe.

    I definitely used both strategies at different times with my kids and both were really helpful. The cominbation of being really sleep deprived and having a demanding, crying baby to look after is such a massive shock to the system. Nothing prepares you for this.

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  30. Lu

    My husband and I were talking about that case the other night. I said parenting is a privelege, he says its a right.
    Everyone has their own idea of what makes a good parent, so it really is an emotive and personal issue.
    Years ago, I worked with a woman who had her nanny deliver her 2 month old baby to the office a few times each day so she could breastfeed her. She obviously thought she was being a good mother. That certainly was not the general consensus in our office. Being a good parent involves many pieces of the puzzle coming together, not just picking the ones that suit us. And I think thats where it falls apart, being a good parent is about putting someone elses needs first but some parents struggle with that.
    When I hear someone declare what a great parent they are, alarm bells instantly start ringing with me. The good parents are usually too busy getting on with it to tell everyone…..

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    • Charli

      Who are you to judge a woman who went back to work but was still able to breastfeed her child with the help of a nanny. Walk a mile in someone else’s shoes before you make judgements like this. No wonder there are so many mummy wars, comments like this do nothing but pass judgement on one persons parenting style. Your comment is rude, thoughtless and outright mean, shame on you and your bitchy judgement attitude.

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      • katec

        Charli, I can see what you’re saying, but I think you might have been a little more moderate in you response to Lu. Any offense she caused you has only been magnified in response by your language and tone.

        We should try not to judge other women, but it’s actually really hard not to when we all have to make decisions about what we think is the best thing to do and others obviously have different values. I don’t know that I’m explaining myself very well, but it’s hard to consider someone else’s actions as “right” when they’re not right for you.

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      • Lu

        Charli, I can see why you’re defensive. I completely understand that some women have absolutely no choice, and I take my hat off to these women. However the woman in question did have a choice. I cant admire any woman who chooses to work 60 hour weeks away from her newborn. Breastfeeding or not. And that is absolutely what this article is all about…..loving your child and doing what you think is ok is just not enough. If all parents were brave enough to take a real look at what their kids need rather than only seeing what they want to see people like Katharine Cook wouldnt be so busy. Mem Fox was brave enough to be truthful and was abused for it so I dont expect to be popular for my comments.

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      • Peta

        Totally agree Charli – you took the words out of my mouth.

        Enough with judging the choices of others. As long as the child is loved, cared for, nurtured and safe, that woman’s choices are none of your business.

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  31. Holly

    This article really resonates with me. I worry a lot and put a lot of thought into mine and my husband’s parenting. Of course we love our boys to bits but want so badly to be good parents and not stuff our kids up. We want them to feel safe, loved and secure and we want them to grow up as loving, respectful, responsible men. Once you survive the baby years, you feel as though every decision you make regarding your children, could affect them for years to come. I really feel the weight of this responsibility and sometimes feel as though I weigh up every decision regarding discipline, the activities we allow our kids to do, etc too much, going over and over things in my head until I feel happy with my chosen path. It really is a tough and challenging job but one that I want to get right – sometimes I get really stressed about being a parent for this reason, not because my kids are particularly challenging but because I want so much to get it right…
    When my second baby was little I did some silly things due to sleep deprivation (how do they let us drive in this state?) but hearing about children being left in hot cars and dying reminds me that thankfully I had my wits about me enough not to put my kids in danger!

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    • eternally

      I can really relate to what you are saying. I put so much thought and work into trying to be a good parent. I described it to a friend as being a ‘professional mummy’. I research everything from when to introduce solids, to the psychological impact of childcare (on my iPad whilst breastfeeding usually). I made sure I ate well in pregnancy, no alcohol etc. I read aloud, do tummy time, walk with the rear-facing each day.
      I still have a lot of anxiety about whether I’m doing a good enough job.
      After my labour, I even asked the midwife if I pushed hard enough!

      Obviously, I love my daughter infinitely too, but that is not all there is to parenting.

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  32. Anonymous

    Commonsense .Some of us have it and some do not.

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  33. Anonymous for this

    It’s true. Parenting is a great responsibility, possibly the greatest and love isn’t enough just by itself. Love helps though especially when it comes to the many personal sacrifices inherent in raising children.

    And, although I in no way condone it, I have to say that when I had my first child I once reached a breaking point with ridiculous sleep deprivation and got so angry with my baby I wanted to hurt her. This is someone I love with all my heart and would do anything for but in that moment I understood why babies sometimes get shaken. It’s terrible – and very hard to admit – but I just hit that point. Thankfully, I found a strength to walk from the room but it was a close thing. Prior to this I would never have understood and I judged and condemned parents I read about. Now, while I don’t empathise with them, I at least understand them.

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    • detachableprincess

      I completely agree with your second paragraph. While I cannot *accept* that shaking a baby is EVER ok, I can certainly *understand* how people get to that point. I too have had to leave the room, lest I lose control. Still, I guess that’s one of the things that make us “good parents” – knowing when to let ourselves calm down.

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      • Emma in Melbourne-land

        Agree with you both completely!

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      • Lisa

        Very brave to admit it- my mum always told me that if we get to that point with our babies, just make sure they are safe and walk outside. Even if people swallowed their pride ( and no-one likes to admit that that they are stuggling) and asked someone to keep an eye on the baby for 15 mins while they had a breather, it is so much better than the alternative.

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    • Mandy

      I don’t think you are the only parent who has felt this! I’ve discussed this feeling with many girlfriends and, I’m pretty sure without exception, we’ve all been to that dark place. The difference is that we walk away. We take a deep breath and calm down. And that’s the hardest thing about these stories where parents lose it and harm their child. If they only waited a couple of seconds…counted to ten, that moment would have passed as surely as it did with us.

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    • Benita (MissBenben)

      I also agree with your second paragraph Anonymous. When I had PND and admitted to my phychiatrist that I felt like shaking my baby, her advice was “Put the baby down in his cot and walk away from him. It’s better that he cries for 10 minutes while you calm down than to never cry again”.

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      • Shaezy

        My mother gave me the same advice – if the baby is still crying, the baby is still breathing. It was the best advice I have ever been given, especially since I suffered severe PND with both of my children.

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    • Leanne

      I have also been at that point where I wanted to hurt my baby. I ended up leaving her on the bed and walking away. Downstairs where I couldn’t hear her cry. On several occasions. I was young and had no support network.

      Walking away is hard, but I did it. We made it through but it was so very, very tough.

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    • , tephanonymous

      I totally understand it, don’t be ashamed to admit it! Once when both my DD and I were sick, she cried all night and didn’t sleep for more than an hour at a time and I was just at my breaking point with the fever and the exhaustion. I watched her cry in her crib and just had the worst urge to slap her across the face, hard, until she stopped. I’m sure every parent feels like this from time to time. Anyone who condemns you for that and trys to convince you that parenting should be all kodak moments and hallmark cards is either not a parent, or is lying!

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