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Screen shot 2012 05 03 at 12.32.18 PM The mother who allegedly burned her daughter in a tanning salon

Patricia Krentcil

 

 

 

 

Ok, this story is pretty messed up.

A woman in the US has been arrested for allegedly taking her 5-year-old daughter to a tanning salon where her skin was burned.

News outlets in the US initially reported Patricia Krentcil’s daughter was burned from a stint in a tanning bed, after she turned up at school and told her classmates she “went tanning with Mummy.” Mummy is a chronic sunbed tanner, as you can see and her daughter had sunburn-type burns on her body. The girl’s father claims a teacher incorrectly put the two together and contacted police.

But the mother – who admits to tanning all her life – is denying the allegations and says her daughter was simply in the tanning room while she was in the booth. She said the 5-year-old’s sunburn is just coincidental. She told US’s NBC  “I tan, she doesn’t tan.” “I’m in the booth, she’s in the room. That’s all there is to it.”

Have a look at the video. No really, HAVE A LOOK:

Right, so let’s unpack this a little bit. I think we can all agree that Patricia (the mother) is quite taken with tans. Aesthetically, she prefers her own skin to be very (very very) brown. Whether she applies that same aesthetic  to her daughter is another question – in this case, a question for police.

But it did make me think about how (consciously or unconsciously), we do project our own aesthetic preferences onto our loved ones. The degree to which we do this varies. It might be as simple as buying a new shirt as a ‘gift’ for a partner because you prefer that look to the vintage ACDC t-shirts he’s so fond of. Or it might be about buying a girlfriend a birthday present of a necklace you really like.

I can’t tell you how many times I’ve been given presents (or seen them given to others) where the giver says “I just thought this was SO YOU” and you’re thinking “that is not me at all, that is SO YOU. YOU SHOULD HAVE KEPT IT FOR YOURSELF”.

But as an adult, at least you have a choice about how you look and what you wear. Not so much kids.

In one of the most unexpectedly controversial columns I ever wrote, I described a conversation with my daughter about why leggings are not pants:

“You see, leggings are more like tights,” I explained carefully. “That means they’re different to jeans or pants. We don’t wear them the same way.” She regarded me defiantly. “But I like these leggings!” she protested. I remained calm, maintained eye contact, and spoke kindly yet firmly. “So do I darling, your leggings are lovely. They just need a skirt over the top of them. Or a dress. Heck, even a longer t-shirt.”

Reluctantly, she complied and I felt some small satisfaction in the same way I do on the rare occasion any child of mine eats a green vegetable. Mother Of The Year.

Afterwards though, I thought about our conversation and wondered if I’d made a mistake. Parenting is made up of a million doubtful moments like this and mostly, only your child’s future therapist will be able to say how badly you screwed up.

Was it wrong to impose my views about leggings onto my daughter? Had I crushed her little spirit? Or was it my duty as a parent, hell as a woman, to pass on the single fashion philosophy I live by?

Because surely that’s what parents do. Imprint our values onto our children in big ways and small. Share our wisdom.

Many people slammed me for imposing my own aesthetic views on my daughter. But in effect, isn’t that what we do when we buy clothes for our kids? Or for anyone else? Whether consciously or subconsciously, aren’t we projecting our vision of how we’d like them to look?

Obviously, tanning salons are about 1000000 shades of NO WAY. Just like the rest of the awful stuff you see on those Toddlers & Tiaras pageant shows where mothers subject their little girls to teeth whitening, hair bleaching, eyebrow waxing and tanning.

But what about ear piercing? What about those awful slogan t-shirts saying “I’m a tits man”? What about parents of twins who dress them the same way? Isn’t that all about projecting your aesthetics onto a child?

Discuss…….

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  2. Izzy

    Leggings are so pants! They must be paired with the right thing however. A skirt over leggings is downright hideous. (Maybe because I’m picturing a denim mini of quarter length tights?) I picture leggings look nice when they are quite thick, in a cool pattern or fabric with a slightly long collared shirt. *You cannot wear thongs with leggings either.

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  3. susan

    oh that poor woman! doesn’t she know how hideous she looks?

    Oh, and leggings are NOT pants!

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  4. Diamond

    Leggings are not jeans and Mia was doing her daughter a favor by teaching her this important lesson!!

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    • Mia

      Thanks Diamond!

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    • Jessica

      Yeah, when I was reading that exerpt, I laughed because I was thinking the same thing. Leggings should never be pants and I dont think its a mistake to tell your daughter that, the reason being, leggings are extremely figure hugging and leave absolutely nothing to the imagination. There is no reason for a young girl to wear them as pants.

      I wouldn’t give a damn if someone thinks Im wrong for “projecting” taste on my children, I will not have my child wearing inappropriate clothing and there is so much inappropriate wear for kids out there. When my child is an adult she can wear whatever she pleases, until then… house rules.

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  5. Jenno

    Wasnt she on that movie, “there’s something about Mary???”

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  6. AnnaAnon

    I don’t like having my 19 month old daughter in the bathroom with me if I’m putting on make-up to go to work! I don’t want her thinking that this is something that girls have to do…. I deliberately don’t want to project my own aesthetic on to her.
    (She also pulls everything out of the bathroom drawers, so there’s another reason I don’t want her in there!!)

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  7. Phoodie

    Holy Guacamole.

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  8. Lorren

    Of cause we project onto children what we believe is acceptable clothe wearing behaviour or not. I don’t have a huge problem with this generally.

    However, where I get a little nervous is when we project self esteem issues onto kids.

    I personally am a big fan of make-up. Hardly have a day free of it. It makes me feel more confident and ready to face things (‘scuse the pun). However, if I was around my (future) kids, would I be comfortable in my skin enough to be without make-up and still project inner beauty and self acceptance? I hope so, but I’m not 100% sure either!!!

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  9. Kristy

    That’s not a tan, she’s just covered herself in vegemite!

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  10. Confused?

    ‘New Jersey state law prohibits anyone under 14 from using tanning salons’.
    ?
    I’m a bit concerned that it’s ok for a 14 year old (who is still a child!) to go in and tan!

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  11. Ellen

    It doesn’t say how old the mum is, but unless she had her now 5 year old daughter at 60, the tanning has aged her skin horrendously.

    I really hope she didn’t let/make her daughter tan.

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  12. fiz

    Leggings still aren’t pants.

    That is all.

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  13. Mia

    LIsa Wilkinson once gave me the following advice about kids clothes: if anyone gives you an item of clothing for your child that you hate, give it away immediately. Because if you don’t, you can guarantee that your child will insist on wearing it every day forever.

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    • Faybian

      I can vouch for that, they do.
      I wonder if that woman’s appearance from her love of tanning will be an object lesson on what not to do. I wouldn’t be surprised if it is.

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    • Misswhisk

      That is so funny and so so true.

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    • Anonymous

      I have done that more than once… and it’s usually the same two or three people who give the clothing to my children. I also have that rule for certain toys.

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    • Bella

      My grandmother lived in the US and would send over these horrible abominations of “party dresses”, which of course she thought were so beautiful, her only granddaughters had to have them (even we didn’t like them!).
      Thank goodness the 1980′s were so far away from the technology we have today, because my mum would dress us in them, take a photo and then the outfits would never be seen again. Grandma would get a photo of her beautiful granddaughters absolutely beaming and glowing in these atrocities and be none the wiser!

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  14. Em

    If she says she didn’t then she didn’t. more’s the pity that she’s risking her life with chronic sunbed use and will deprive her daughter of her mum when she gets skin cancer.

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    • trixie melodian

      Hmmm, because people never lie to make themselves look better?

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  15. MJ

    How does that woman possibly think that tanning to that point is a good idea.. or a good look.

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  16. Sharon @ Funken Wagnel

    I believe the mother when she says she didn’t do it.

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  17. Nicki

    OK, this story does look pretty messed up.

    BUT: I have a problem with media reporting of criminal cases such as this, namely, with the word “allegedly”.

    [#Insert Name#] + (ALLEGEDLY!) + [#Insert Reported Misdemeanour#] + [{#Insert Motive#} x (AND/OR {#Insert Non-Heteronormal/Racial/Socio-economic Bias#}) x (MEDIA HYPE!)]={ [Trial By Media] + ([Demonising Someone Whom Actually Needs Help] To the power of how many people are involved, regardless of their role in the incident}).

    OK, it might not be mathematically correct, but you get the idea….

    How is a Jury supposed to make an unbiased verdict, when it can take weeks, months, or even years between when the accusation is made, and the case being resolved in a court?

    I’m not blaming the legal system, I’m blaming the media – especially certain media companies (and yes, I’m looking at you Rupert and Co!).

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    • Zoe

      They legally have to say allegedly until the accused is found guilty.

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  18. katec

    I think ear piercing is different too. I don’t mind seeing it at any age where the child has asked for it themselves, but I cannot abide seeing babies with their ears pierced. Your child is not your fashion accessory to punch holes in as YOU wish.

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    • Anonymous

      I HATE seeing babies with their ears pierced! It’s so tacky, and just screams ‘bogan-ville’!!

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      • Lorren

        Really? I see it more a cultural thing.

        A lot of Italian children get them when they’re born. We had to wait until we were 5, but I think that’s something to do with my Aussie mum.

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      • Megan

        If you’re the same anon I think you are then I see your comments all the time about bogans. Stop comparing everything to being bogan. Also, I see it more so on Indians and Asians. I think it’s more so cultural.

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        • Asymptotal

          Yes its a cultural thing. In India you are making a statement if you *don’t* have your daughter’s ears pierced by the time she’s a couple of months old. Infact there is an elaborate traditional ceremony involving the family and the community to celebrate the event.

          Then of course in India theres an elaborate traditional ceremony to celebrate almost anything, but you get the point (I hope).

          Not bogan.

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        • Vic

          Very common in hispanic culture too

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          • Jenno

            I can appreciate ear piercing can be a cultural thing. However, im with anon… my opinion is that it looks awful on very young girls!

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    • Caris

      My sister and I used to ask Mum if we could get our ears pierced and her response was ‘if that’s what you still want on your 10th birthday then yes you can, but not until then’

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    • Cassandra P

      My mother had my ears pierced at the doctor’s when I was a few months old so I could wear the beautiful gold earrings my Turkish grandparents brought back from Turkey for me. It’s definitely cultural, and I don’t see anything wrong with it.

      I had my earrings in when I had my PixiFotos taken and I didn’t look awful at all.

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  19. KTT

    There are many times that myself, miss nearly 3 and mr 10mth old leave the house ridiculously colour coordinated-and completely unintentionally! I clearly get it into my head that it’s a blue day or a stripes day or a leggings and a dress day and then everyone ends up in it too! Well, no dresses for the little mr. I don’t have my ears pierced so little miss won’t get them done, I like ballet flats so I buy them for little miss, I like short hair on boys so little mr has haircuts already. Of course you influence them in what they wear/appearance. And I’m glad it’s me and not hubby……..

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  20. I thought all mothers did it

    my best friend never liked her daughter (the girliest little princess) wearing pink. Now that the little girl is 6 and has an opinion, they fight about it. When I see them fight over the colour of clothing the 6 year old will wear, I of course laugh and remind my best friend that it only felt like yesterday when she and her mother fought over her clothes. her mother wanted her to wear more feminine clothes, she didn’t.

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  21. I thought all mothers did it

    my best friend never liked her daughter (the girliest little princess) wearing pink. Now that the little girl is 6 and has an opinion, they fight about it. When I see them fight over the colour of clothing the 6 year old will wear, I of course laugh and remind my best friend that it only felt like yesterday when she and her mother fought over her clothes. her mother wanted her to wear more femine clothes, she didn’t.

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  22. Cee

    You have to question what the tanning salon owner is up to allowing children in there at all

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  23. ashamasha

    yep, agreed, she looks like she smeared vegemite on herself.

    But I think the more interesting side of the story is how quick everyone, IRL, on TV and now online has been to judge and assume that just because she tans, so does her daughter !

    Looks aside, LISTEN to what the mother says. She’s absolutely adamant she would never do it, adamant that to do so is not normal and she’s quite offended that anyone would think she would! She’s not trying to hide anything

    What’s ‘messed up’ is the extent that the school, police and govt authorities jumped in without any hard facts, or common sense…

    …think about it. If that child was in a tanning bed, SHE WOULD BE BURNT ALL OVER. not just in one spot. Would any tanning salon seriously let ANY child into a sunbed? especially one so young, pale and redheaded?

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  24. Anonymous

    I think I saw this lady on the Gold Coast one time

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  25. Jacqui

    Ooooh, must print her picture…..want that exact colour for my new leather lounge!!! lol!

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  26. penny

    With all due respect Mia did I not read somewhere that you said that you thought your children looked better with a tan? Perhaps the Australian Women’s Weekly? Please correct me if this is wrong…..

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    • Lana

      I can guarantee they have NEVER been to a tanning salon.

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    • Em

      No no I remember that. Something about how they have a bit of color in summer. Not about how a tan looks, just not militant about sunscreen, or something. That’s quite a leap to get from that to tanning salon.
      And ‘With all due respect’ is in the same category as ‘Just sayin’. Might need to pop back to the ‘what words/phrases do you hate!’ post.

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    • Mia

      Yes – I totally said that. I think I wrote it in my book about my failings as a mother. I was joking. And no tanning salons. Just spray tans.
      KIDDING.

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  27. Katherine

    I bought a barbecued chicken today. It looked not unlike this lady. She should never stand next to a potato salad. It will only end badly.

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  28. caramel80

    for the majority of the commentators of that interview – glasshouses!!!

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  29. JUICE HEAD

    I think im going to post this article on the community board at my gym to remind those meathead steroid junkies what tanning can do!

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  30. Tracey

    OMG is that womans face going to fall off? That is disgustingly unhealthy!

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  31. Bradley

    Typical Yankee. Didn’t realise that the Vegemite was for the toast !

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    • Laura M

      Why typical Yankee? Kind of over Australians gives Americans a hard time if we said similar to any other country we’d be racist!

      BTW Yankees are traditionally from the north east, hence cold with little skin or tan shown.

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      • cekoorbb

        I think Bradley was making a joke.

        I thought it was funny..

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      • lilpen

        I have to agree with you. Why do Australians feel the need to constantly bag Americans? We spent a month over in the USA and everytime they asked where we were from they all gushed as to how much they love Australia and the people and cant wait to visit or ho back! Oh and trust me we met Australians over there too and I have to say I was embarrassed to say I was an Aussie!

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      • Anonymous

        Oh blah blah

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      • Jules

        It was quite clearly a joke.

        ‘Yanks’ is a term most people outside of the US use to describe all Americans.

        If your sense of humour was really that non-existent you’d be xenophobic, not racist.

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      • trixie melodian

        Wow, overreaction much?

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    • Bradley

      Laura M & lilpen…..it was a joke.

      The key word was vegemite.

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  32. Kathy W

    I think the mum is a body-builder. I’ve seen those insane mahogany tans on them – apparently it enhances their muscles. She’s also wearing what looks like a rashie or one of those lycra tops cyclists wear. Anyway…point being her look may be related to her athletic pursuits. Let’s hope so, because seriously if it’s a choice, then she looks like a reverse Michael Jackson skin disease going on.

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    • MO

      Its the “shoe polish” look

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    • Another Jo

      I think you might be right. There is no way her face could be that dark from tanning alone.

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  33. Ladybug

    I think the tanning issue is a little more serious than clothes you like your children to wear. This woman is exposing her daughter to horrible health risks.

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    • Rick Morton

      Definitely not the same. The seriousness differs though I think the point is the theme: how far do we go in pushing our own aesthetic values on to our kids?

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      • MelMel

        I agree. Also, they are obviously adamant that the daughter did not go in the tanning both, so possibly not child abuse. I think the question remains though, will this little girl grow up to be a chronic tanner as she has been exposed to a look that her mum thinks is “beautiful”. Isn’t it true that children often model the look and behaviour of their same sex parent.

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  34. PippaPoppyPiper

    Mia, you got slammed for telling your daughter that leggings aren’t pants? OMG, that is totes ridic :D
    The world (or at least Sydney as I see it) needs more mothers like Mia to intervene and teach kids what is and isn’t appropriate to wear. Particularly when you see teenage girls parading down the street in the middle of winter in tiny shorts that provide as much coverage as underwear does…I don’t care what you wear, just put on some damn clothes! And boys, pull your pants up! We don’t need to see your underwear either.

    I went to an all girls High School that was so strict about uniform. No jewelry, no piercings except one set of earrings and they had to be plain sleepers or studs, no nail polish, skirts had to be measured perfectly to the knee, socks had to be a certain colour, as did shoes. The list goes on. I loathed it at the time but I am 28 now and I realise how much it has helped me succeed in the work force.
    I think there’s a difference between telling a child “you WILL like PINK dammit!” and setting them up to succeed by teaching them basic dress code 101. Trends dictate a lot of what people wear anyway, both kids and adults. You can only try to influence people, but they are going to wear what they want to wear anyway. I’m just hoping that long overalls are back in fashion by the time I have teenage kids!

    I love how the woman in the video denies the allegations and says that taking a 5yo to the tanning bed is “not normal”. Ha ha Look in the mirror, you look like an oompa loompa. THAT is not normal.

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    • Cant be bothered logging in

      Whenever you see one of those boys wearing their pants halfway down their ass, you should gently remind them that this particular ‘look’ stems from male prisoners who want to make it clear to other male prisoners that they are ‘available’ for intimate activities. They’ll have those pants so high that they are actually wrapped around their heads in seconds.

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      • Faybian

        I’ve heard that the look came from when men were admitted, (before they got issued their uniforms) to prison, they had to take their belts out of their pants as they are considered a danger in prison. Thus the low hanging pants.

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        • viviehar

          Whichever it is, I love that it references prison! My daughter (in her early 30′s) has been embarrassed by my “oh for goddness’ sake! Pull your pants up” comments when out shopping together! I hate this “fashion”! Its called UNDERwear for a reason! We were taught to cover our underwear – still can’t come at exposing bra straps AND more!

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    • Mia

      PippaPoppyPiper,
      Yes! The world needs more of me! I should drive around the streets with a badge and a megaphone shouting LEGGINGS ARE NOT PANTS!

      I will see about doing just that.

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  35. Bradley

    She was polishing her shoes and just completely lost control.

    If you think that the face is bad….you should see her walls !

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    • Abbi

      Haha, Bradley, very funny. Hope I didn’t just wake my kids up, I laughed so loud

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  36. Kerri-Ann

    Notice in the video on the police car….”Nutley police”
    How appropriate !!!!!

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  37. Miss B

    There’s something about this that makes me smell a rat.
    It seems like a clever PR stunt…I don’t know what for exactly, but it just doesn’t seem real.
    Didn’t Obama ban sunbeds last year in some US states? Maybe this has an ulterior motive, and is created by vocal sun bed opponents?

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    • girlygirl4

      Yeah I just can’t see how that horrid brown goo on her face is a real tan… It looks more like a thick slathering of body bronzer

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  38. Anonymous

    Mia, I’ve never read that column before re ‘leggings are not pants’. It brought back a horrific memory for me. I had a similar conversation with my mum when I was in primary school. That day I was sexually assaulted. Later my mum said to me, “I told you not to wear those leggings.”

    I’m not saying you were wrong, but my mum was. Not because she gave advise, like you did, but because she judged me for not adhering to it. Still, 20 years on, I’m deeply affected by what she said. For years I couldn’t make sense of the deep shame I felt and feared making my own decisions because of it. Of course this is only one example (though perhaps the most poignant) of how my mum’s parenting, as you say, screwed me up!

    Good luck to the little girl with the over-tanned (and possibly lying) mum! ;)

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    • Emily

      Probably not because your mum gave you fashion advice. You are effected because your mum blamed you for getting sexually assaulted, which is horrific.

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    • Mia

      Oh my, what a dreadful experience! Sorry for triggering such a painful memory…..

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  39. Ami

    I could swear I’ve seen her do a dance routine on Hey Hey it’s Saturday

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    • Girl

      Holy shit, that made me laugh so hard. Well played Ami :)

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  40. Drew

    Are you EVER going to get over the “tights are not pants” criticism?

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    • gypsy

      criticism? Perhaps a light word to describe the response Mia got. She was almost persecuted!

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      • Drew

        Yeah, fair call.

        My standard response to anyone who says they’re not pants is to agree, but also state my support for pantslessness.

        Seriously, who doesn’t want to see women in tights?

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        • gypsy

          I can tell you right now nobody wants to see my bottom in tights not pants :)

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          • Drew

            Meh, get a pair that fit, maybe a long top if you want and go for it!

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    • Mia

      Hi Drew,
      I’m over it. Have been slammed for about 438 things since then!
      ;)

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      • Drew

        Ha! No shortage of issues eh?

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  41. gypsy

    A month or so ago the local radio station ran a segment on “how young is too young for mother’s to get their daughter’s ears pierced”. A lady rang in and said that she got her daughters ear pierced at 2 weeks of age. I was driving at the time and remember going ballistic at the radio and yes I made all kinds of judgements about that mother. The mother claimed to have been told that apparently it doesn’t hurt the babies as much as it does when they are older. That was the day that I did indeed wonder if there should be some kind of test before being allowed to procreate.

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    • bedizz

      I think there are much much worse things to do to your child. I don’t think ear piercing warrants that kind of outrage at all. For some people it’s cultural, and I don’t think their children are affected by experiencing pain at 2 weeks of age. I’m sure childbirth isn’t pain-free for the baby, not to mention injections etc… babies are pretty tough. Of COURSE you don’t go inflicting pain willy nilly, but I just don’t see the ear piercing thing to be that bad at all…

      (as a matter of perspective, I was not allowed to pierce my ears until I was 13, and I would probably set the same standard for my own child – but I don’t have judgement about those who for whatever reason pierce their child’s ears as babies)

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      • Kate!

        I would hope that any parent considering piercing their child would rely on more substantial evidence of children’s relative lack of pain perception than “I dont think” and “I just dont see”.

        Cultural reasons are no excuse for hurting children.

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        • bedizz

          We all make judgement calls based on our own perceptions. This is mine. Of course, if science contradicts me I will rethink (and likely renounce) my position, however I am yet to see a scientific study to show long-term negative effects of childhood ear-piercing so I am entitled to make a judgement based on what I “think”. We all do that, it’s how we negotiate the world and life’s choices.

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        • Anonymous

          What about circumcision of baby boys?
          Usually done for religious / cultural reasons.
          Can it be justified on these grounds?

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        • Yol

          I’ve got pierced ears and funnily enough I don’t remember at what age I got them done let alone recall the pain I may have experienced. I come from a Eurasian background and it’s certainly cultural norm for baby girls to get their ears pierced. I wasn’t even walking when I got mine, and that went for my sister and cousins. And do i regret my mother for making that decision – not at all. In fact I am glad I got them done when I was too young to even remember. And for someone that has a low pain threshold I think my mother even did me a favour.

          Oh and if I had grown up and decided that I didn’t want pierced ears, I would much rather let the holes grow over than to want pierced ears and have to endure the pain of getting them done at an older age. Ouch!

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      • Anonymous

        So I guess it must be a cultural thing in mt druitt then, because babies with pierced ears there, are about as common as babies with dummies!

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      • Sally

        Yes, like circumcision, for example. Why on Earth would you inflict that sort of needless pain on a baby?! I also was not allowed to get my ears pierced until 13, and must admit when I see little babies with their ears pierced I shudder.

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    • PippaPoppyPiper

      I was 6 months old when my parents had my ears pierced. I don’t remember any of it :) I am actually thankful they sorted that out for me.

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    • Anon

      I have been told by an Italian friend of mine who had her ears pierced as a baby and subsequently pierced her own daughters ears as babies that they believe that the gold is conducive to assisting a child to have good health. A form of protection if you like. As an ex child protection worker I can think of far worse things to do to a baby. And who knows, maybe it’s true?

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    • katec

      For me it’s not all about the pain and more about depriving the child of the choice. Let the child ask for it. It’snot like it hurts that much when you’re older anyway!

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      • Cassandra P

        Unlike circumcision, ear piercing is reversible. I assume (but I could be wrong) that it’s less painful too? I had my ears pierced when I was a few months old; I don’t remember it obviously. I let them grow over in primary school and subsequently had them re-pierced, at which point they got infected and it was definitely very painful! Not to mention it look ages to heal. This didn’t happen when I was baby, and I tend to think it’s because at that age I had Mum taking care of my ears and I wasn’t fiddling with them while they were healing! I’m totally fine with babies having their ears pierced, I just wish I’d kept mine in!

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  42. Renae

    What if it IS a coincidence though?
    What if the girl did actually get sun burned? I mean look – the little girl is fair as heck with red hair. I have reddish brown hair with super fair skin, and I can get sunburned red as a tomato after only 15 minutes in the sun.
    I see what the mother’s saying too – the little girl can’t tan. That kind of skin – it won’t tan. It just burns and peels (believe me, I’ve lived with it for 25 years, and so has my brother.) I can’t even FAKE tan.
    Would suck for the family if that really is the truth.

    Aren’t y’all being a bit judgemental?? So, this mother’s poor health choices are very visible. When you consider that alcohol is in the same health risk league as severe sun exposure, tobacco, asbestos etc, would you really want to be judged by the same measure as you’re judging this woman and her choices? I mean, what kind of example are you setting for YOUR children? (and maybe you need to rethink what you’re doing)

    It’s one thing to impose your aesthetic preferences onto your own children or even family or friends.
    But you should hear some of the stuff I get about MY aesthetic preferences from strangers, or acquaintances.
    Apparently I’m abnormal because I am a very happy (and healthy) size 18. I’m also abnormal because I have completely natural hair that doesn’t get coloured or straightened or blowdryed and is really long (hip length). And people seem to think it’s their duty to let me know how STRANGE I am and how WRONG they think my preferences are.
    And frankly, none of my aesthetic choices are that strange at all.

    I would never wear tights/leggings as pants though. They make my bum look funny.

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  43. Helen W

    The most disturbing thing about this story is the level of intervention US authorities appear willing to undertake with very little evidence. Had this family already come to the attention of welfare agencies? Did a doctor assess the young girl?

    The second most appalling thing is the implicit “she’s a bad mother” flavour of the reporting with very little evidence of this. It smacks of the “mommy wars” which has been covered by MamaMia – women judging women etc.

    Ok, and I’ll admit the third is the truly shocking skin damage she has.

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  44. Mimi

    she reminds me of Ross from that episode of Friends when he gets the spray tan hahahahhaa!

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    • gypsy

      Oh God that is one of the funniest episodes EVER

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      • Deanna

        IM AN EIGHT?!?
        best episode ever!

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        • Thelittlemissus

          What is up with Miss Hawaiian tropics?

          Hilarity

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    • georgiepie

      HAHAHA love that episode! nearly as good as the one with the teeth whitening.
      ‘was that place the SUN?!’

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  45. Ella

    I think the tanning story and projecting aesthetics onto your children are two separate things. The former is dangerous (physically) and the latter is not. Explaining rules around clothing (which are all relative anyway) is part of preparing your child to ‘fit in’ with social expectations.

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  46. elli

    Maybe she took her daughter into the booth, maybe she didn’t. At the very least, she’s a terrible example to her child. She’s only 44, according to the Sydney Morning Herald, but IMHO she looks at least 65. (I’m the same age but fair-skinned and untanned and I think I could pass as her daughter.) And what about when she dies of melanoma and leaves a young child without a parent??

    I’m not keen on children under, say, 14 getting their ears pierced and totally against parents piercing their baby’s ears. They might say it’s for cultural reasons but so’s effing female circumcision and we all agree that’s bad. I know ear piercing isn’t in the same league as genital mutilation but isn’t it still body modification without consent?

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    • picardie.girl

      I agree, I have always felt uncomfortable about parents piercing their children (often infants)’s ears. ‘Body modification without consent’ sums it up quite nicely for me – and explains why I feel yucky about it.

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    • monique

      I totally get what you’re saying and this isn’t me disagreeing with you, just wanted to say I got my ears pierced at the end of Kindagarten when I was 6, and it was done with my consent. I also got my belly button pierced at the age of 12 after months of begging. I expect the whole “that’s too young” and I understand where people come from but it worked well for me. I’m 21 now and I haven’t ever regretted getting my belly button pierced and haven’t thought of it as mutilation.

      Naturally, I’m not saying everyone should get it done so young, but both my piercings were done with my consent when I was under the age of 14.

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      • CeeKay

        Please don’t equate ear piercing to female circumcision, that’s actually pretty offensive to cultures where people believe in piercing the ears earlier on so that you don’t remember the pain.

        My ears were pierced at 9mths, have felt no harm or adverse effects from it at all. Pretty much everyone I knew also had their ears pierced early on, and also suffered no ill effects from it either.

        And on that note – if we’re casting aspersions (like someone did in an earlier comment) about parental ability based on things such as ear piercings, what about male circumcision? This is practiced far more widely, and more socially acceptable/tolerated than female circumcision – yet you never hear parents judged on their parental ability based on their decision to circumcise their little boys.

        Just for the record, I’m not advocating for either practice, but I am quite taken back about the equation of ear piercing to female circumcision and bad parenting.

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        • vegas

          Actually I do kinda judge parents who have their boys circumcised……

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    • Cassandra P

      Your comparison is incredibly offensive and ignorant. Genital mutilation is an appalling practise which permanently disfigures, often causes life-long health issues and sometimes kills the women it’s perpetrated against. I can’t believe you would put a couple of pin-sized holes through fat in the same league as that.

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  47. Another Jo

    Holy Crap!

    That is all.

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  48. Desiree

    Holy crap on a cracker, she looks like a Chico baby. That is not attractive in any way shape or form.
    My Mum has major body image issues, but by god she made sure they did not pass on to me. She recently said to me that one of her greatest achievements is the knowledge that I am comfortable enough with myself to walk around naked in front of my husband. I laughed at first because I have never been shy about that kind of thing and thought it was normal. And then she told me she’s never had a shower with any of her boyfriends/husbands. I was shocked.
    It is possible not to pass our own aesthetic hang-ups and preferences on to our kids, but when they are as obvious as this woman’s are, I don’t hold much hope. I know a woman who is an avid marathon runner, rake thin to the point of looking haggard and very tanned, who nearly died when I suggested one of her daughters looked as though she was going to end up being a curvaceous blonde bombshell when she grew up. The very thought of having a curvy daughter scared the spit out of her. Sad.

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  49. Bradley

    This woman isn’t tanned. She’s char-grilled !

    Chips and salad or vegies with that ?

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    • I just snorted into my dictaphone when I read that. Better rewind…….

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      • detachableprincess

        No, no, leave it. Trust me, your secretary will love it! I always used to love the random shit one boss would come up with, it made a long tape that little bit easier.

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  50. ash

    That can’t be real. It just can’t! How does she even get that dark? Does she peel? Is it make up? Crazy!

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    • Deni

      Mm I agree – it looks like a bad spray to me. I just dont think you can get that colour from solariums – but then again, I have never aspired to get that black and neither has anyone else I know so who knows lol!

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      • Judie

        From what I’ve read, she goes to the tanning place 20 days a month. Surely they realised she has a problem?

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