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infertility1 380x380 If youre Australian and youre infertile, youre lucky.by LINDSAY CROSS<

My husband and I live in the US and we’ve been trying to get pregnant for over a year.  I have one daughter from a previous relationship, but we decided when we got married that we wanted to try for one more.

As the months after our wedding slipped by, I told myself that if we made it through a year without a single positive pregnancy test, I would schedule us appointments at a local fertility clinic.

We were still young. I was 25 and my husband was 31. I knew we still had plenty of time to have another child. But if we couldn’t get pregnant in a year, I felt like we should see a doctor, just to make sure that there weren’t any obvious problems.

I spoke to a friend who had recently conceived twins through IVF. I got the name of her doctor and quickly called to set up the preliminary appointments. “You’re in luck,” the receptionist told me with enthusiasm. “We have a New Patient Special at the moment.”

Immediately you see the difference between infertility in the United States and infertility in any country with government-funded healthcare, right? Our fertility clinics have “New Patient Specials.” They also have IVF raffles and finance departments. They’re more car dealership than doctor’s office, when you think about it.

As I made my husband and my appointments, noting times and any special requirements down in my day planner, the scheduler explained that the first round of testing would only cost $99 each. It would check my hormone levels and my husband’s sperm count. Of course, the appointment to get our test results and talk them over with the doctor would be another $250. Already, I could see how this process was going add up. No one had even come close to my uterus and we had already paid $450. Things wouldn’t get cheaper from there.

In fact, reproductive health in the United States gets substantially more expensive after those first appointments. According to Resolve, an American infertility association, the average cost of an IUI cycle is $895. If you have to move on to in vitro, you’re looking at roughly $8000. That’s not include any hormones injections or medications.

This is infertility in America, where treatment is a luxury. Here, reproductive technology is only for those who have thousands of dollars to throw around.

I have to admit that I read articles on websites from the UK and Australia about IVF. I follow the news on legislation to allow older women or single women or same-sex couples the chance to receive reproductive assistance through government-sponsored healthcare. I read all of it with a certain level of jealousy, but also awe. It’s just so amazing to think what it would be like to consider treatments without also wondering how we can pay for it or if we should take out a line of credit on our home equity. It sounds heavenly, not to have to wait a few years between rounds of IUI and IVF so that you can save up the cash to keep trying.

96396915 290x338 If youre Australian and youre infertile, youre lucky.

“Fertility clinics in the US don’t even bother to ask about insurance.”

Fertility clinics in the United States mostly don’t bother to ask about insurance. Not even my premium, employer-sponsored, zero co-pay insurance covers infertility treatments. In fact, my OB/GYN had to warn me not to bring up my infertility during my annual exam. If we talked about trying to conceive, she would have to bill the appointment differently. My insurance would reject it.

One of the nurses told me that they were considering making women sign forms saying that they weren’t there to discuss problems conceiving, that they were only there for a basic Pap Smear. Too many patients wanted to talk infertility during their yearly appointment, trying to squeeze it in under the guise of an insurance-covered annual. All appointments about trying to conceive had to be separate, and they would prefer it if you just paid up front.

It’s been more than a year since my first visit to the fertility clinic. 29 months, not that I’m counting, and just an ectopic pregnancy and a miscarriage to show for it. Treating both of those was covered by insurance though.

My husband and I are facing serious choices. We could continue to try naturally, never really knowing when luck might strike. Or we could use money that should be going towards my daughter’s future college education to try to give her a sibling. As we debate, I dream about utopias like Australia, where I wouldn’t have to decide between financial security and my desire to have another baby.

Lindsay Cross is a former data analyst turned writer that can be reached on Twitter and Facebook. When she’s away from her computer, she’s spending time with her husband, daughter, and misbehaving dogs, Buddy and Baloo.

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  1. Guest

    Weird. I just got home from an egg pick-up. My 9th harvest. This cycle has cost us around $8000 out of pocket. Of course it will be worth it if we are lucky enough to win the baby lotto this time around.

    Anyways, its not quite a “utopia” here but its better than a poke in the eye with a blunt stick.

    Hugs to anyone having to go on this rollercoaster ride to heaven or hell depending on the outcome.

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  2. Josie

    Hi. I just wanted to make clear to you that IVF in Australia is certainly not “free”. In fact, my husband and I have just forked out in excess of $10,000 for our most recent cycle (a fresh IVF cycle with ICSI). We will get approximately $370 from our private health insurer (for the hospital admission). And Medicare will refund approximately $5,100. My specialist just sent his bill – over $1200 for the procedures; and we also have a $603 anaethetists bill. Remember, in Australia we pay 33c / $1 income tax, and we are supposed to have universal health care – which the TAX PAYER contributes toward (so it’s not free – its funded by US). The truth of the matter is, we don’t. Particularly when it comes to fertility treatments. In the UK you are entitled to 3 x IVF cycles with no out-of-pocket expense, so you can call them “lucky” if you like. But in Australia, we are quickly moving toward the US model where only the wealthy can afford proper healthcare and the rest can suffer on their own.

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  3. Becks

    “reproductive technology is only for those who have thousands of dollars to throw around” Seriously!!! I have been thru IVF and it is not all la de dah, let’s have a baby the easy way and splash a bit of cash. We took years of saving, no holidays, no fancy house or renovations, we sacrificed and did nothing but save save save and thou I have 2 beautiful babies to show for my experience, I can’t help but wonder how my family would be financially situated if we had not spent $35K on IVF. This however was not an option for us as I have fertility issues. I am NOT like the author of this article who is in their mid to late 20s and they just want a baby quickly because it’s been a year – seriously complain when you have a REAL problem.

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  4. Hayley

    Ummm, financial security and having a baby is still a consideration for us. You may get a rebate but one cycle is 6000 upfront, and that’s not including the appointments or drugs!! We would probably need to look at a payment plan if it took us several go’s and/or years to try, as we would still want to have a life, buy a house etc and you can’t go through IVF and buy a house – well not the normal income couple!!

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  5. Mellissa

    Lucky? would love to know where this free IVF is! last time I checked my depleted savings account it was still recovering.. and still have nothing to show for it :(

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  6. Tracey

    TO get our daughter…we were $28,000 out of pocket…we were “lucky” because it only took us 3 IVF cycles to get her!

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  7. Kate

    WHAT??!! Am I lucky because the weather is nice in Aust so while I’m spending thousands the sun is shining.

    This article is bullish!t. Our treatments over 4 years cost 70 , 000. I haven’t accidentally added a zero. SEVENTY.

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  8. 27andinfertile

    My husband and I have spent over $40,000 to get as far as we have now – 24 weeks pregnant. This includes three IVF cycles together, another with our egg donor, acupuncture, drugs, supplements and specialist appointments. I am grateful for my donor and I do feel lucky that I live in a country where this technology is available but this article makes it sound like IVF in Australia is free.

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  9. 27andinfertile

    My husband and I have spent over $40,000 to get as far as we have now – 24 weeks pregnant. This includes three IVF cycles together, another with our egg donor, acupuncture, drugs, supplements and specialist appointments. I am grateful for my donor and I do feel lucky that I live in a country where this technology is available but this article makes it sound like IVF in Australia is free.

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  10. Lotti

    This makes me feel a little inspired. It’s ridiculous that in Australia we can’t pay for a donor egg, though we can pay for donor sperm. Ugh!

    My partner are nearing 30 and although we’re not sure we want kids or not, we do know that we won’t have them naturally- rather we prefer adoption. So we’ll start the lengthy adoption process within a couple of years just so that we’ll be able to decide when we’re really ready to have a child or two. But, I would have no problems donating an egg to someone in need that I liked. Is there no website or organisation set up to match altruistic donors with those in need?

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  11. Danielle

    What a big load of bullshit. Get your facts right. It’s not cheap at all in Australia.

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  12. Sheree

    There is nothing lucky about it, my IVF treatment put my fiance and l in about $11,000 debt.

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  13. Anon

    Oh yeah I feel so lucky I have to do IVF in Australia. Whoop-dee-do.

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  14. anon for this

    This has made me angry.

    I have endometriosis and the surgery will cost around $10,000, or I can go public, wait at least 12 months and receive rebate only for the anethesist.

    The only way I will ever have a chance of falling pregnant is to have this surgery. Other options include waiting years to maybe be eligible for adoption or being childless. I am not ready to resign to this at 24 years old.

    I understand what you are going through is frustrating and painful but I really feel this article is saying ‘Shut-up all you Aussies, you think you know struggle? heartache? frustration?’

    I don’t think it matters where you live, struggling to conceive is heartbreaking and I find the mentality of this article really negative.

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  15. Tatey

    Oh Lana, smokers pay for their health care – and yours! If the government banned smoking altogether they would lose too much tax revenue which funds the health system…

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    • Lia

      Fairly sure I pay for my own healthcare, through my own wages and taxes. The cost of smokers health problems who, I might add, don’t all pay for their healthcare, adds up to FAR more than the tax the government receives from cigarettes. Smokers are a drain on society in so many ways, their disgusting habit causes health problems with non-smokers who have to constantly breathe in their revolting second-hand smoke, they are very often less productive at work, and they have much lower immunity leading to frequent illness, which gets passed on through the workplace, and disease.

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  16. Kayla

    It sounds like the costs are similar to New Zealand. We do get certain amounts of funding though.

    I’m 24 and we want to start trying in a few years but I have coeliac disease, a tilted uterus, had laser surgery for CIN2, and a previous miscarriage and am getting a little paranoid about my fertility levels being less than average. I made a booking to go and get my fertility tested – just to know where we’re at – but the appointment cost more than $250 just for some blood tests – so I cancelled it!

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    • Hayley

      I just spent $300 on an ultra sound, not including the appointment for the referral ($180) and the follow up appointment ($130) just to make sure I do/don’t have cysts on my ovaries- I didn’t, all that money wasted!! :-(

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  17. Kellie

    Yes we probably do have it better than in America, but for those of us battling infertility and the high costs (of which there are many well before you get to the stage of IVF) Australia hardly seems a utopia. I will be handing over around $1000 next week for a procedure just to try and figure why I haven’t conceived yet. Im not complaining- I would spend a million dollars (not sure where i would find that kind of money!) if it meant having a child but i just wanted to point out that it certainly isn’t a free ride here in Australia.
    Baby dust to all the other mummas- in- waiting x

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  18. Just saying

    I have done IVF 9 times after 4 IUI’s
    I would have done adoption but the wait list is so longin Aus. Aparenty in the US it is much less.
    Try adoption.

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  19. AB

    Are you kidding? Do you know what IVF actually costs in Australia? Thousands per cycle out of pocket AFTER rebates, medicare etc. It is not cheap. It is not an easy process. I think you’re deluding yourself to think it’d be cheaper for you in Australia. It is not a medical/financial utopia. And some IVF clinics are making a fortune.

    But infertility is ghastly for anyone dealing with it for any reason. You have my sympathy on that basis.

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    • Lana

      Expensive yes. But nothing in comparison to America. Australians have NO IDEA about the real cost of health care. It is subsidized.

      Unfortunately, fertility or lack of it is not a ‘health’ problem. It is terrible and I suffer from it myself. I do also understand that getting tax payers to subsidize my desire to have more kids is somewhat unfair. We have to pay for those things ourselves. I guess it can be argued obesity or smokers should also. But that is a WHOLE other discussion!

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      • Ness73

        I disagree with you Lana. I have paid my fair share of tax, as has my husband – why shouldn’t we be subsidised? There are plenty of lifestyle issues that get funding, why shouldn’t infertility?

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  20. Kate

    Being women in a same sex relationship under John Howard when we chose to have children not only were we not allowed to go to the public clinics but even at the private clinics we are allowed NO rebates. Our first child was IUI and second pop after a miscarriage and our other children then took 3 years of IVF going month in month out (except for the couple of unsuccessful pregnancies). We also needed to travel some hundred of kms for treatment – money for accomodation, food, lost earnings (and a lost promotion because of my ‘absences’ from work), and car use was needed. We spent well over 6 figures but no holiday, no car, house or piece of jewellery could ever be as wonderful, sparkly, lively, fast or permanent as my girls. We can’t afford to holiday anywhere much (short, cheap cabins at undiscovered beaches is all) and our passports went out of date about 8 years ago, but I have never spent better money (even if we have only just finished paying it off!). I would do it all again always. I can always get more money but I can never get this time with these wonderful children again.

    No is lucky being infertile – except those who do not want children. It’s irrelevant where you live, infertility is hard. It can break your soul, your relationship, your life – not much luck there I don’t think. We are lucky – no only did we get children after a time but we grew stronger for the difficulty conceiving – not so for many of my friends.

    I get the the US has terrible health care if you can’t afford it, I’m not questioning that, but fertility treatment is expensive everywhere. I understand it is with a sense of irony that the writer frames this piece, but noone wanting a child and not getting one is lucky. Ever.

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  21. Bec

    If you’re in Australia and you have a chronic medical condition you’re luckier than most.

    I’ve done IVF in Australia and yeah it was fine. We were lucky in the true sense of the word – we could afford it and it gave us a child and the government gave us financial help to do so.

    I have a rare disease that requires around $20k of medical care per year for the rest of my life. Hearing the issues overseas from others with it I’m incredibly thankful to be in Australia.

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  22. Nic

    Actually I don’t believe IVF should be subsidised at all.
    While I am very sympathetic to those whose deepest desire is to bear children, I just don’t think that we as a country should be putting that higher up the list of our medical priorities than subsidising life saving drugs and operations for people with AIDS, cancer and other expensive medical disorders.
    Hell, most GPs don’t even bulk bill anymore, surely having a decent Medicare system takes priority here…

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    • Amandarose

      I am in two minds- I am glad people have access to it but I can’t help but feel other priorities are more important for government spending.

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    • Bre

      Why shouldnt it? I have been a tax payer for many years, and this is my disabitily, not being able to get pregnant naturally. So yes it should have a rebate!

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      • Karen

        Infertility is not a disability. It does not restrict your ability to earn a living, communicate with people or move yourself from one place to another. Don’t be so arrogant

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        • Really?

          Oh Karen, only someone who has never truly suffered from infertility could come with that a comment like yours. Infertility is recognised as a very real illness that has real consequences – like depression and not being able to live a full life because of that depression.

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        • Hayley

          Actually Karen’s it does. My infertility is caused by a syndrome which complicates other issues regarding my health, which makes me eligible for disability … All because of something I was BORN with and cannot do anything about but try to manage it

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  23. Meg

    Slightly off-topic, but I find it so sad that all of this money is spent on fertility treatments, while there are kids in desperate need of foster carers. If only the fertility angels dispersed their gifts more logically.

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    • Lou

      Meg, as a foster carer, I live in fear every day the little boy who is placed in our ‘long term foster care’ will get taken away from us and re-united with his birth family.
      There is no permanency to the situation and we are not considered his parents, or even allowed to make anything other than day to day decisions for him without ‘the departments’ approval.

      It also took us almost 4 years from application to getting him placed with us as he was under 5, so considered a high demand category (I believe it is easier to have long term foster care of older children, for obvious reasons).

      I wish foster care was a more realistic option for couples who want a family…

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    • Ellie

      Meg, have you ever felt the yearning to have a child & not be able too? It’s tough, & I feel it is such a fleeting remark to say instead of having your own baby, foster care. I hope your a foster carer & it’s the right thing for you.

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      • distracted

        I didn’t read her comment that way Ellie, I thought she was saying that it seems unfair that while so many kids are taken away from unfit parents to be fostered, others who would be good parents can’t have kids.

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        • Meg

          Distracted is right: that is what I meant. I know of so many families where the kids are not planned, cared for or really even loved enough. It’s a shame these parents are fertile.

          I also think it’s not a bad idea for people experiencing infertility to foster, or just get involved in the lives of kids. I am well aware of the limitations, but surely the desire to parent can extend beyond the sole option.

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          • abc

            Meg the problem with that idea is that we are not allowed to do both- if you are applying to be a foster carer you are not allowed to be trying to conceive, and if you have had any fertility treatments, you have to wait 12-24 months before you can apply to foster. ridiculous since the child will always be in the care of the state, and no matter how much you love and care for that child, or how many years pass, you aren’t allowed to make decisions about the child and they can be taken from your life never to be seen again in a blink of an eye.

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  24. Sharee

    IVF is almost the only option here is Australia when infertility is an issue. Adoption is a joke, and surrogacy has only just been legalized (in some states only I believe) and must be altruistic so the uptake is rather low. I’d love to adopt but can’t wait the 4-5 years to “maybe” get a child.

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  25. Anonymous

    This article has made me so mad and upset. It is by no means cheap to have IVF in Australia. Before we even got to the IVF stage we spent thousands on doctors appointments, scans, tests and medications, with only a very small portion covered by medicare. Then the actual costs of IVF are high even with the rebate, which we had to pay upfront and then wait 3 months to get back from medicare due to an error. By that time we had blown through all our savings and were looking into loan options because IVF does not seem to work the first time. We dont have anywhere near the options available in the US so I really dont think you should be complaining!

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  26. guest

    Not on IVF but on another situation I have a medical disorder, my out of pocket expenses this finacial year alone is reaching $3000 so far and it`s still November. I have private health insurance but that doesn`t cover my hematologist specialist. I know I could go through the public health system and be lumbered with a professional who I just don`t want nor trust & who had the most appalling people skills, tried that when I was first diagonised and waiting weeks or months for appointments, tests to be scheduled etc is not good when you need weekly tests, treatments and follow ups. And you are in intense pain and getting sicker each day while waiting for treatment.
    Our medicare system really only provides the most basic of care, Australia really is not the utopia in medical care that you may think it is.

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    • Lovely lady

      Once you hit over $1500 in out of pocket expenses you can claim a portion of it in your tax return. We are one if the few country’s that allows this.

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  27. ArchieK

    Is anyone else over the images Mammamia uses for it’s IVF stories? This one is only marginally less creepy than the floating babies in the test tube that they usually trot out.

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    • Mia

      We genuinely agonise over the images we use. What would you suggest?

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      • Anonymous

        Just a baby. One of the reasons we haven’t told people that our child is Ivf is the stigma of test tube babies.

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      • ArchieK

        One of the toughest things that women grapple with during the IVF process is how unnatural and sci-fi the whole process can feel. The images used in this, and previous stories – eg. those downright spooky, plastic babies suspended in a test-tube, just reinforce this idea.

        Perhaps a photo of a healthy, happy baby, might be more appropriate?

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  28. Kitty

    You can get IVF treatment for free in the UK. It’s means tested, though, but it is available. For many people. For free. On the NHS.

    We paid approximately $3,500 out of pocket for our cycle. We were lucky enough to have our little miracle from that first course of treatment. I know many many people here who haven’t been as lucky though.

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    • Broken Record

      Yes, but the wait list is enormous.

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  29. PCOS gal

    If you are “infertile” you’re never “lucky” – no matter where you live.

    Lucky is those people who think, “hmmm, I might like to have a baby”, go off the pill and get pregnant first cycle.

    Infertility is horrible, whether you’re Australian or you live somewhere else.

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    • Mia

      Yep, I believe “lucky” is being used here with a liberal dose of irony…

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  30. B

    You have a child. You tried for little over a year to have another.
    We’ve been trying for 10 years unsuccessfully full stop no babies for us because we cannot afford IVF or adoption in Australia.
    How dare you call any other infertile person lucky.
    You wrote an article, what, hoping we’d all give your selfish statements emotional validation and support?
    You have a right to be sad about not conceiving, you have NO right to belittle other peoples pain.

    I wish you luck with your future what ever you decide to do, I just hope you grow some compassion for other people.

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    • Faybian

      The article didn’t come across as belittling anyone to me. She even put the word lucky in quotes. It came across as more of a comparison between the health care, particularly fertility/infertility area of the two countries.
      I think, perhaps, you need to grow a bit of compassion yourself. The responses below you are quite different to yours. While disagreeing at least they’re not agressive about it.

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    • Nad

      I didn’t get a belittling tone at all.
      While lucky may not be the correct word to use, maybe “those infertile in Australia are fortunate to have access to subsidised fertility treatment” or similar, I wasn’t offended by it.
      I actually feel the writer is compassionate.
      I fell your response to be very aggressive aggressive. Others may have objections to the article but I’m not getting anger and aggression from them.

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  31. Bec

    Sorry just quietly I don’t agree with any of this. Don’t mean to be disagreeable!

    I am an Aussie who struggled with infertility and miscarriages and IVF for 5 years with my hubby and still no baby. We spent thousands and thousands in Australia.

    In the end and in desperation, we did donor egg cycles in the US and now have 2 kids. In the US donor egg cycles are a business and the donor gets paid. Here in Australia it is illegal to pay the donor. So in Oz you are mostly limited to women who will donate their eggs for altruistic reasons. And if you’re an Aussie woman who needs donor eggs and have noone close like a friend or a cousin who are willing to donate – then you are pretty much stuffed.

    We had no one in Australia who we could get eggs from altruistically. So still desperate for a baby, we went to a wonderful clinic in the US and I have to say their IVF protocol was WAY more advanced than Australia. How I wish we didn’t have to pay airfares and accomm in the US to achieve our dream. How I wish we could have done those donor egg cycles here in Australia. It was beyond hard living in Oz and getting my cycle in sync with the US donor’s cycle. And getting my blood results along the way to the US in time – was a logistical nightmare. If I lived in the US – it would have made these cycles 100 times easier.

    So personally I reckon the US is fantastic for infertility options and Australia is actually a bit behind the times. In Oz I had so much anguish and IVF failures. In the US, I got pregnant 1st go.

    Anyway its all immaterial now as I am the happiest mum to my 2 gorgeous kids and they are the sunshine in my soul. I love them to the moon and back.

    Thats my experience. Though Lindsay I feel your pain, i really do. infertility is the loneliest, most saddest thing in the world and I sincerely hope you get a sibling for your darling daughter. Awful you have to go through this.

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    • jb expat

      THIS is my story! my feelings exactly…and my outcome…except #2 is currently at 27 weeks in my belly!

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    • Nad

      Bec,
      how did you find them to be more advanced?

      Did the cycle cost more than here?

      Genuine questions

      Thanks

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    • Nad

      Bec,

      How were the services in USA more advanced?

      Was the financial cost of the treatment (exc airfares, acc etc) more expensive than here?

      Genuine questions….

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  32. infertile

    This article makes me so mad. I have been on the IVF bandwagon for close to 8 years – both in Australia and NZ. The cost adds up the same wherever you live. Yes, in Australia you get the medicare rebate, but it doesn’t cover the cost of the day surgery for egg collection, the anesthetist and some scans. I live 2500km from the nearest clinic, so I also add on the cost of 2 weeks of accommodation, rental vehicles to get to appointments and time off work. For me, it still easily adds to $8K per cycle.
    In NZ, the Government provides 2 publicly funded cycles, but it is an agonising waitlist to get on and many people don’t qualify. The cost of a private cycle is a cool $10-12K.No-one who desperately wants to have a child and can’t is ‘lucky’.

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  33. Siobhan

    I understand that it is probably more expensive in the US to go through fertility treatment, but please don’t be fooled into thinking it is cheap here. We went through 6 rounds of treatment to have my son and it was incredibly expensive. Drs visits, medication, scans, it all adds up. We were so lucky that we didn’t have to have a break inbetween unsuccessful treatments as we could afford to continue, but i know of people having to wait and save up between each cycle, adding even more stress and pressure every time a cycle is completed.

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  34. JoJo

    On the other hand, after 5 cycles of IVF and 2 miscarriages I would have loved some of the options available in the US to add to our family of 2.
    Instead we have been on a wait list to adopt from China since April 2007 that’s going no where..if only surrogacy or local adoption were on offer in Australia.
    Instead we’re lucky to have one another and a great relationship that’s survived all that heartbreak.

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    • dkmum

      From my understanding surrogacy is now an option in WA. Friends of ours were the first approved couple over here.
      Best of luck with having a baby!

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  35. S.

    My husband and I call our first daughter (not to her face, obviously) the $50K kid. The amount of money we spent on trying to have her was amazing, despite all the rebates and the like. Add accommodation, food, travel expenses – all of those things that aren’t thought of when you’re trying for a baby. But she is worth every single cent to us and I wouldn’t change it for the world.

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    • jb expat

      While I was pregnant, we called our son X5…as in a luxury SUV. In actuality, total cost was probably closer to a luxury SUV plus another new car!

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  36. bre

    I am just about to start IVF.Yes Australians get a massive re-bate from Medicare, but it is still very expensive. $3500 grand a cycle for the type I need. If your body doesn’t react well to the medication to begin with and you over stimulate or under stimulate, say bye bye to that $3500 grand and try again next cycle. Add the fees of seeing your specialist every time $140, hospital bed $900, antitheist $400, another day in hospital to be inseminated $350, medication $450. That’s all for one cycle. Average that out to 3 cycles before you get pregnant $15000+. Oh and the fact my husband has hardly any sperm so has to get his frozen on a fortnightly basis, $400 a pop there too. And thats only frozen for a year, every sample for following years is $270 a year. Times that by 12 samples $3240 a year. GAH! gives me a headache thinking about it.

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  37. jb expat

    As a dual citizen who has lived in both and done ivf both in Australia (under Medicare when it was more covered than it is today) and America (with NO medical insurance as I was living here and traveled to the US to do ivf), I have to tell you that this is not accurate. Both systems (specific to ivf) have their pros and cons – you can’t just look at the money side. More drug options and a wider variety of protocols are available in the US which matters if you don’t fit into the cookie cutter infertility box. Also, in the US, the doctors will run way more tests at the outset…yes, this has a cost but it is much less than the very expensive US ivf cycle. HOWEVER, this addresses only the money issue – in Australia I had to go through 3 miscarriages (so that’s 3 ivf cycles as I needed 3 full cycles for these transfers, 3 d&c’s and 3 periods of waiting for a back to normal cycle to try again) before they would run these tests. l I would have much preferred to have these tests and have the underlying issue(s) found up front at a greater out of pocket cost. Another thing is the speed in the US of getting your test results back – blood test results for many different things take 2-3 hours, not days – again, at a cost, but as anyone can tell you who has done ivf, the waiting is very very hard and draining. And it’s not “just” the pregnancy blood test – it’s all the tests during the cycle, all of which can either mean a green light or a red light. There’s more, but I think I’ve made my point.

    They systems are very different but it is very hard to say which is better IN TERMS OF IVF. I do think that the Australian system overall is way better and the US health system generally is beyond broken – but I don’t hold this opinion when it comes to IVF specifically.

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    • gypsy

      You’ve made some excellent points. If it comes to it I will probably travel to the US for donor eggs and get some immediately as opposed to waiting for years on an Australian waiting list.

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      • jb expat

        That’s what we did and we have had the most wonderful outcome…worth every penny and I wish it was affordable to everyone who wanted to go this route.

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  38. gypsy

    A subject close to my heart. I’m in the middle of an ivf cycle (lost count, but it’s 6 or 7). My husband and I are very fortunate in that we are in a relatively good financial position and with our medicare system, though ivf is expensive it is certainly manageable and the money is the least of our problems. I’ve always vowed that when my ivf journey is over I am going to set up a charity “fund” whereby couples (or singles) can apply for funding to get financial support.

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    • SD

      From someone who has been there I just want to wish you all the best. It is tough going through that and my heart goes out to you. I hope your wish is realised soon.

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  39. Rach the Muso

    The US medical system is one of the main reasons my husband and i would not choose to live here in the US permanently. Followed closely by education and food.

    It’s a disgrace. My husband has a lapband, and earlier this year had food poisoning. For those who may not have the privilege of knowing, those two things do not go together. He couldn’t get rid of the offending bug (if you get my drift). We went to the ER. We stayed for about 5 hours, during which time he had a CT and blood work. They gave him no medication, even an IV despite him being desperately dehydrated. We left with instructions to take a laxative in the hope of it ‘going through him’.

    Two weeks later, we received a bill of $7999 for the CT and $1450 for the rest. For 5 hours in the ER where absolutely nothing happened treatment-wise. Luckily our student insurance covered it.

    All insurance plans cover a maximum of 2 days in hospital for a vaginal birth and 4 days for a caesarian. I know this isn’t different to our public system, but this is under insurance that costs up to $12000 a year (not exaggerating).

    Take me home to the lucky country!

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    • Faybian

      That CT scan bill just makes me cringe. I’ve had more CTs and MRIs than you can poke a stick at. If I had to pay that much, I wouldn’t be getting them done.

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  40. Ali

    Whilst I know we are lucky in Australia to have some of the costs of IVF covered by Medicare your article makes it sound like we just breeze into as many appointments and procedures as we want without having to pay a cent which is absolutely not true. An IVF procedure in Australia with all aspects taken into account can cost over $3,000 out of pocket after all government contributions and any health insurance rebates are taken into account. There are also a lot of things that aren’t covered by Medicare or private health. Considering IVF is rarely successful first time multiples of this amount do mean that IVF requires thousands of dollars to throw around unfortunately. Our clinics also have finance departments and in most cases all money must be paid upfront and then you have to wait for any rebates. The specialist also drive $200,000 spots cars and you sign a form stating that you understand your specialist may have a financial interest in the IVF clinic. It is a business for sure, the only difference in Australia is that the IVF clinics are profiting from the client, the government and the private health insurance companies. Also, our government keeps reducing the amount we can claim from Medicare so the costs just keep rising. But no one talks about what a rip off these clinics are because we’re all just supposed to be so grateful for our little miracle.

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    • Lindsay Cross

      Ali, thank you so much for enlightening me. I wasn’t aware that the out of pocket costs could get that high!

      And I definitely know what you mean about the clinics being serious businesses. They aren’t like any normal doctor’s office I’ve been too. The implicit implication is that you should feel luck they are even deigning to speak with you, especially if you have to consider financing.

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      • Mellington

        There’s such a wide range of out of pocket expenses for fertility treatment in Australia. I did three rounds of OI & IUI to conceive my son last year. Each round was $1300 up front, and I was $750 out of pocket for two of them, and $1300 out of pocket for the last, due to weird Medicare rules.
        So yeah, the expenses are still there.

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    • chillax

      I appreciate where you are coming from, however these Doctors are highly intelligent, educated and skilled specialists. They have spent a long time studying and continue studying and researching to keep their qualifications current. All of this impacts on their lives and their families. They are not charities and I think they’re entitled to benefit from their hard work.

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      • Kym

        Having just moved from using a public specialist to a private specialist.
        In the public system the only thing we paid for was sperm analysis
        $250. But I often left appointments in tears and I seemed to be on a standardized treatment plan with no individual diagnosis in an over burdened system.
        The service, explanation, treatment plan, speed of treatment (only took a month to get in for surgery where i would wait longer than that for my public appt) and doctor’s manner makes me feel it’s money well-spent. Especially now that I am only being poked & prodded by one doctor. I can get my ultrasounds, bloods, surgery & when I get there pregnancy looked after by one man.
        For now we are coping with the out of pocket expenses ($950 for laparoscopic surgery, ovarian drilling/golf balling and a blue dye flush – two days ago – $400 for anesthetist, $300 for doctor, $250 excess for my insurance). In January I find out whether I go back to clomid or on to hormone injections.

        No system is perfect – the US seem to have more options & we seem to have more rebates but IVF is not cheap any where & no one who wants children & can’t have them is ‘lucky’. I am grateful for all my experiences – I have had some LOW points & done some things I never said I would. There is a lot of positives – I always joke I will get pregnant it’s just a matter of whether it’s before or after I go crazy. Maybe before or after I go broke.

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  41. princessmelli

    My heart goes out to you.
    I have 2 IVF/ICSI babies, aged 3 and 14 months. If we had the same system as the US, I would not have had my darlings.
    IVF is stressful enough without adding the extreme financial pressures as well.

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    • Alice

      What a lovely comment princess! xx

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    • Manatee

      I believe we’re fortunate in one way to be in Australia for treatment, as I think its one of the leaders in infertility treatments. However, to state that its cheaper to do it here then in the US is a bit of a far stretch. I think it depends on what you’re having done for treatment. I’m currently about to pop any day now with my first baby conceived using IVF/ICSI. I was extremely fortunate to conceive on our first cycle and have 4 embryos frozen, but many aren’t this lucky. Our treatment cost us out of pocket over $5000. We even had private health care to cover the egg collection at the hospital. We also have to pay a monthly storage fee for the embryos for as many years as we need. To say, that it isn’t expensive is crazy. Now, I wouldn’t change anything in the world for the blessing of a baby, but no one who is going through infertility should ever think one person is “luckier’ then the rest. Each person/couple’s journey is a challenge and should be respected as such. It doesn’t matter where you are in the world, infertility isn’t lucky.

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      • Anon

        You are right, fertility isn’t lucky. However, we are lucky to live in a country which subsidizes IVF. I was out of pocket 3K for my IVF cycle, plus I got back 20 percent of that on my tax (medical expense offset). I am very grateful for that. In the US the fees are far higher.

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