by MEG MASON
If I had to pick the exact moment I realised that my pregnancy and future baby-raising were matters of public interest, I’d say it was … yep, probably the time a dude I didn’t know from the Accounts Payable department of my work put both hands on my pregnant stomach in the office kitchen while I waited for my lunch to heat up and said: “This baby does not want to be so near that microwave.”
How did he know that?! My baby could have been loving it. But more importantly, why did he feel entitled to tell me so? Why do any of us feel entitled to say what we say to new mothers?
Especially when exactly zero-point-no per cent of it helpful for the super-vulnerable woman in question. Herewith, a point-by-point guide to the very worst things to say to the lady with the baby, based on my own real life experience:
1. NOT LONG TO GO NOW!
Guessing how long a woman “has to go” is a favourite pastime for strangers everywhere, and while it was annoying when I was only 20 weeks but “all out the front”, it was so much worse after I’d had the baby. Yes, I do look pregnant and yes I am wearing maternity jeans because my other ones still don’t fit but, to the man in the car who drove past me on Kensington High Street and shouted “ANY DAY NOW, LOVE!!!”
I say, you missed a significant visual clue, sir: I WAS PUSHING A STROLLER. It is always best to check for a baby in the vicinity of a mother’s arms before making any out-loud remarks as to the imminence of her due date, especially if you will be shouting those comments out your car window.
2. IS SHE GOOD?
What does that even mean, I used to wonder when old ladies – for this particular question is an kind-old-lady-special – leaned into my stroller and asked if the angelic-looking gift of a baby sleeping inside was “good”. Good at what, old lady? Tennis? Excel? Or do you mean good like, morally upstanding?
Much later, I learned that my geriatric inquisitors meant “good at sleeping”. And so to them, I latterly answer: of course not! She’s a baby. A very good bad-at-sleeping baby.
3. THAT BABY SHOULD BE WEARING A HAT/SOCKS/A VEST/NO HAT/NO SOCKS/TWO VESTS/A TINY SOMBRERO AND EYE GLASSES
My daughter was born in London at the beginning of a particularly vicious winter. For the first three months of her life, the outside temperature stayed below freezing so every cafe or department store we visited on our first tentative outings had the heating dialled up to the “Carribean” setting.
The routine – go inside, remove a million layers of triple zero baby-clothing without taking the Baby Bjorn off. Step outside, put all the layers back on, without taking the Bjorn off, and this time with gloves on. Rinse, repeat. Just sometimes, there would be a three-second lag between my stepping out into a crowded street and my managing to get her hat on but three seconds is all a well-meaning stranger needs to draw a straight line from my baby’s state of hatlessness to my all-round deficiency is a mother. If you really neeeeed to comment on how a woman dresses her baby, well-meaning stranger, can you give her, oh say, five seconds? Just in case she’s looking for the hat…
4. ARE YOU DOING THAT RIGHT?
New mothers the world over agree: nothing promotes successful breastfeeding like a judgemental onlooker (sarcasm alert!) especially when that onlooker is your own mother or better still, mother-in-law. The same goes for trying to follow the instructions on the formula tin or get a newborns’ legs unfolded for long enough to do up a tiny nappy, all easier with mum standing sentry at your elbow and chipping in with passive-aggressive questions about whether you’re actually doing it backwards/too roughly/not roughly enough.
My mother turned out to be the actual bestest at this particular line of enquiry and it’s sister statement “when I did it, I was always told to…”. I love you, mum, but I am doing it now and I just need you to look on and clap. And get me jam crumpet before I start weeping.
5. SO WHAT DO YOU ACTUALLY DO ALL DAY?
This is far and away the cruellest question to ask a new mother especially when you are a) her skinny, childfree best friend or b) the father of her child. I know – you’re not judging, you’re just genuinely interested since I used to be a barrister/jazz flautist/pilot and now I can’t seem to run a brush through my hair but the truth is: I don’t know. I don’t know what I do all day. I can’t remember but whatever it was, it felt life-or-death important at the time. And it probably was. Just trust me on that one.
Meg Mason is journalist and the author of Say It Again in a Nice Voice (HarperCollinsPublishers).
What do you think is the worst thing to say to a new mother?








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Lol! My mother in law was astounded that I didn’t iron my husband’s shirts just after my daughter was born : ‘but you are home all day!’ Yes, with a baby who doesn’t sleep at night and only slept during the day when I cuddled her! Never mind I haven’t showered, there are shirts to be ironed! Sigh.
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I got in trouble with a new Mum friend recently as her baby has a Umbilical hernia, and I asked why her little girl had a wiener
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New baby of 3 weeks in the pram, an older lady cooing over her and ask “so when are you due ?”… Right… because I don’t feel like a blob already… Thanks !
Other than that, I actually enjoyed reading the piece, especially #5, so true.
I now answer truthfully to all those questions and too bad if the person asking doesn’t want to hear the answers.
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I don’t have kids, but I reckon those questions would annoy me if I did.
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Worst thing you can say to a mother who has 3 or more children, which I hear regularly, to others and to me :- “oh you wont mind babysitting will you, you wont notice one more”…
Well, I will speak as a mother of 4, I will notice one more. My own are happy with each others company and easy to manage, I dont need another one to change the dynamics and make my day hell so you can have a break”…
Just because we’ve had more than the average number of children doesnt mean our coping mechanisms, especially during the school holidays, are better than average! We’re usually just doing our best to get through too.
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Absolutely! And the working mums who think you’re happy to have their children all holidays because you are at home! Now there’s a mummy war Id like to have.
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The comments are always so much better than the articles on this site. Its hilarious – everyone’s so snarky
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From birth, it was obvious to everyone that things were not as they should have been with my brother’s son. For months we discussed how best to address it with them. Mum flat out refused. She told us to ‘do it if you’re game.’
For years we walked on eggshells, marveling at how blind educated parents could be and despairing at the loss of early intervention. Every couple of months we’d hear another tirade because a nurse at the baby clinic had suggested they take him to a specialist. ‘What would she know?’ We’d tell them it might be a good idea to check it out, just in case. Over and over we heard how they’d abused other mothers, friends, doctors, teachers, swimming instructors.
They were aggressive know-nothings who thought they knew it all because they’d been parents for all of two minutes. They robbed their son.
I think there’s a lesson in that for all of us, don’t you?
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The 5 best things to say to Meg Mason and the Mamamia Mother Mafia
1. I guess you’re hoping he identifys as gay early?
2. So innocent aren’t they? What precautions are you taking to make sure he doesn’t grow up to vote Liberal?
3. Don’t you just adore the government’s new ’10 asylum seekers per household’ policy! A bit of a strain on the budget but it means you’ve got an inbuilt ‘village’ in your lounge room!
4. Did you know The Female Eunich has been released as an early reader?
5. She’s so smart she could be PM one day! … well, she doesn’t really have to be smart, as long as she has woeful judgement she’s a shoo in.
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Ok, I giggled. Points for creativity, humour and efffort.
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Over the last year (well, particularly this year), all the parenting-related articles on this website have given me a great idea!
Let’s segregate all women into specific categories and then not let them see or speak to each other. Let’s start with these categories:
First time mums (or any mums) who are finding it tough to adjust to their new life and admit to having bad days
Mums who have their shit together all the time and feel it’s their right to tell other mums how to do the same
Mums who stay at home
Mums who work
Mums who don’t want more kids and don’t want anyone to ask about it
Women who don’t have kids but have the human decency to understand that children and parents have a place in society
Women who may or may not have kids and think that any (other) baby or child, along with it’s mum should be locked away so no-one else should have to acknowledge their existence
Under NO circumstances should anyone from these categories meet each other at any time.
I don’t really have a problem with this particular article, but what I do have a problem with is the comments that follow.
I thought women were, generally speaking, supposed to support each other. Women have come a long way in recent decades in many ways, but my god, we’ve got a long way to when it comes to tolerating each other as a basic group of mums and non-mums. Parents and children are part of society. If they weren’t, then society wouldn’t last much longer.
This website was a lifeline for me when I first stumbled across it around 3 years ago. Now though, it more often than not makes me feel so miserable about the way women are so intolerant of each other and their choices.
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get a grip sista and have a hug!
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I do have a grip thanks sista.
I have a grip on what a bunch of intolerable, snide people are commenting on this site.
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Oh wrong end of stick taken sista, it’s irie tho, I was just trying to say get a grip on how lucky we really are and how much most woman are loving to each other.
The most snide and intolerable comments were in the article hence why comments followed the tack of the writers issues.
We are blessed to have babies and people who are interested in us and them, whatever innocuous thing they say that might annoy an overtired mum! lol
With your post you seem like one of those you are judging and you probably aren’t like that at all.
No need to stop being proud, just time to step up positive feelings
*hugs again*
Sista Root
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‘…..and people who are interested in us and them, whatever innocuous thing they say that might annoy an overtired mum’
How I would like to think this is true… I used to think so but it seems that the majority of comments here just attack anyone who is a mother and their kid who might be having a bad moment. And on the flipside, some mothers who smugly tell everyone else how ‘do it right’.
Guess I just mean that articles like this and the following comments put women into such separate and opposing groups and there seems to be a fair amount of intolerance within the groups. Over it, that’s all. Too much angst in the articles and comments.
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Amen to that!
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You forgot one group. Those creepy old ladies who ask if your baby is ‘good’ <<>>
Don’t just segregate them – lock them away!
The article itself and the comments from precious mothers has been a very big eye opener to me. These are the most privileged generation of women in history … and the most ungracious.
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I have spent far too long this weekend thinking about these comments. Not the article, but the general nastiness and anger from the people commenting. People are recounting stories and telling us their feelings, and I think it should be ok for people to do that without being attacked. Sure, grill people over their opinions on Tony Abbott, but do not tell posters they are ‘boring as!’ or a sook or representative of every new mother out there because they told you a story of what someone said to them once.
Everyone, whether a mother or not, is just trying their very best to get through the day and be happy. We all have our struggles and challenges. Please, let’s be nice to each other and remember that you don’t have to say everything that pops into your head.
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Work colleague (no kids): you must be having a boy because your skin is so bad. (correct, both counts)
MIL’s Mum to me: is your milk any good? (with doubtful look at my new baby)
MIL on my birthday: Here, let me take the baby and you can get on with your chores (gee, thanks)
Several visitors soon after birth of new baby: I’ll have tea/coffee, thanks. (and sit there till I get them one, dead on my feet)
MIL: you don’t mind if I stay and watch you breastfeed, do you? (yes, but too dumb to say so as still getting over shock of birth)
You’ve got to laugh – but not easy at the time!
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are we related?
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I am childless but I was taught early on that when you visit a new mum after the baby is born, you do something useful…clean up, do dishes, hang up washing. Actually try to help out and not be a drain on a very tired woman.
My mum did this because when i was a baby, a very annoying (at the time childless) SIL used to come around and “help” her with me…and by “help” she just sat on her butt, talked shit and ate biscuits.
Plus I never question anyone’s parenting skills. Why would I? As long as the kid appears healthy and clean what do I care?
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Hi Mich, thanks for your supportive comment, I bet that lady in the fruit shop was very grateful for your support that day, truly horrible feeling I would not wish on anyone. Also you don’t need to say sorry about your comment on the SAHM article, I actually thought your view was fair, balanced and had merit! X
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As someone with 3 kids it annoys me how people only think you have the brains and intelligence to only speak about your children/pregnancy. Yes I have kids but I do also watch the news, engage in current affairs and have interests besides my kids. So please treat mums
With a bit more respect and have a real Conversation with them!
My most annoying question is “are you getting enough sleep?”!! Of course not!! I have a newborn baby that feeds every 3 hours around the clock and 2 others under 4 years.
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I am surprised you are offended by question like that… It just shows care..or concern and desire to help maybe?
I have a 2 y o child and know his routine but aren’t babies all different? I can hardly remember what newborn babies needs are anymore, would you be as annoyed if another mother ask you that? Just curious
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My nipples are…(insert boring nipple breastfeeding story here)
I’m so tired.
His nappies are full of …..(insert gruesome boring poo story here)
Isn’t he/she/it funny (whilst he/she/it gurgles once and farts)
Poor me/us me me and me some more-repeating tired/poo story again
Can I just change him here (as you sit down in front room)
People don’t understand….(no-one previous to your generation has ever given birth)
Could you pop over and babysit (but don’t dare mention anything that might upset my precious beleif I am the goodess of wisdom when it comes to babies)
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Just to make it clear, I am a new mother and I don’t relate to this article at all. I am OK with people asking/saying those things, I know they mean well. So maybe the headline should say: the 5 worst things to say to SOME new mothers or better the 5 worst things to say to Meg Mason?
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Nevska, I think you are spot on. I think we are genetically programed to be caring to babies,and new mums for that matter. I believe the saying it takes a village to raise a child. I think if this attitude was embraced it may be easier for new mum’s to cope. My lovely neighbour would offer to take my baby so I could go and have a sleep. I never thought people asking about my babies were being intrusive. I realised they were just caring.
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Here’s what I’d like to see~ a postwhere people can comment and complain about political bias, perceived repetition of content, who’s departure has ruined the site and conspiracy theories about deleted/censored comments.
For once, it’d be nice to read an article and for the comments that followed to just be a duscussion of the subject raised
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The most insulting thing that was said to us, when we announced that I was pregnant was “Was it planned?” WHAT!!!
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why is that rude? Either the person you were relaying your super important news to had nothing to say about your announced pregnancy (heard it all before) and trotted out quickest thing they could think off or perhaps they were genuinely asking. My first wasn’t planned neither was my sisters but hubby and me didn’t mind ppl asking at all, why should we?
Agree with other mums who say that ppl are just being nice, stop giving us a bad name and just be happy that people are interested, most ppl really are not!
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Maybe I should’ve added that I didn’t know this person very well and I just thought it was a very personal thing to ask when a simple ‘congratulations’ would’ve sufficed. My daughter was planned but even if she wasn’t planned I wouldn’t want people thinking that she was an accident. This was the only thing I got a bit miffed at. I don’t mind any of the questions above as I think they have a caring motivation behind them.
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I could have written this!!
I was asked that by someone I barely knew too.
And that’s exactly how I felt – that it was rude & none of their business.
“My daughter was planned but even if she wasn’t planned I wouldn’t want people thinking she was an accident” – ditto!
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I have to disagree with so….that is soooo goddamn rude!!
it isn’t the rudest thing I’ve heard. a woman i worked with announced her pregnancy, which she was joyous about, and when she left the room another woman said “she and her husband are having so many problems, maybe she shouldn’t have it”.
Some people are really vile! INSIDE VOICE, people!!!
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When I excitedly announced to a gay friend that I was pregnant, he asked ‘are you keeping it?’ Er, yeah. it may have been accidental but not unwanted!
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I have a 6 week old baby. Baby was crying for 2 hours at my inlaws. My bro in law helpfully said to me: babies sometimes cry for no reason. You just have to figure out how to make them stop.
Really?! Oh I has NO idea!! Thanks for the tip….
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Are you serious? I cannot see how that could have offended you. He was empathising and letting you know that around that age they cry for the sake of it.
And remember that your in-laws lovingly listened to two hours of screaming. Why didn’t you take yourself and the baby home and leave them in peace if they were offending you so much?
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Please don’t read this as nasty or scathing a reply to this article or other posts although my first thoughts were not very postive to the article.
People say things……. It happens. It is not an attack or mean or nasty or personal. Some people don’t have a filter so let it go. It’s their problem not yours. But remember this please when complaining that others are insensitive. You have a gift that many people can not have…. A BABY. A child that is the biggest thing you will EVER do in your life!!!!!
For over 3years I have been praying for that gift and when it finally happens I tell you what I will never take that for granted because for that three years I have seen and heard some things that will floor many. People take their pregnancies and baby’s for granted all the time and it’s these views that just shock me.
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Can we do “five things you don’t want to hear from the male nurse”?
I’ll kick off with
1. Can I take a look at those stitches?
Anyone?
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2. Let me just squeeze that nipple to get the milk flowing.
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3. Have you broken wind yet?
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4. Are your breasts tender?
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Hey, maybe they’re reaching for their inner gender inclusiveness!
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Shit. I walked past a mum at netball yesterday who had just had her sixth child and I peeked in the pram and asked “Is he good?” It really is a general question with the implication that I’m asking “Is he sleeping well/feeding well/not crying much etc etc. Can I not ask that question anymore and should I be more direct such as “Is he sleeping at all and how exhausted are you with six children and congratulations for actually getting eight people out of the house before 10am?”
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If you can be bothered. Can you be bothered? Do you really want details ?
Better just to ignore it and talk about the stock market, I reckon.
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True, I don’t really want the details, I’m just being polite.
New mothers, please be VERY SHORT with your response when people ask you these questions!
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Best not to talk to new mothers ever. Any topic they bring back to their baby or how they are coping with their baby or how difficult it all is. Oops not any topic, every topic. Boring as, no one really cares.
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Wow, you sound like a great friend and a lovely person! Bet people love talking to you, too, anon!
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Yes he sounds great as he is telling the truth. You on the other hand sound patronizing tired and bitter. You got kids?
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Lil
You sound pretty tired and bitter yourself… haven’t had any kids to soften your heart?
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most studies show folk without kids are generally overall happier and less tired and stressed.
Got three myself but just saying..
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To be honest, there is a lot of stuff people talk about that I don’t find very interesting, but I guess you’re different aren’t you anon, I’m sure everything you say is riveting. If I can sit and listen to people bang on about the football, going to the gym, stupid stuff they did while drunk, their boring job etc they can sit there and listen to me talk about daughter. Although to be honest I don’t often talk about her, believe it or not, despite being a parent I actually have many topics of conversation i can engage in and have done alot of stuff that most people haven’t. Part of the problem is that others only ask me about my child because they think that is all I know!
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5 things that new parents shouldn’t do:
1) Don’t tell me how its poo squirted all up its back, escaped its onsie and engulfed the bugaboo – ever again.
2) Don’t *torture* me with a detailed record of its sleeping and eating pattern. It’s excruciating.
3) Don’t tell me it’s smiling when it’s 2 weeks old, or nearly sitting up by itself at 3 months. It’s not. It’s just not. It makes me be mean inside my head and think you’re an idiot.
4) Don’t change pooy nappies on my new lounge. In fact, don’t change it in my house! And take the bloody thing with you when you leave.
5) Don’t tell me how ‘strong in the neck’ it is. Gawd gawd gawd please never let me hear that again.
6) Don’t bore me to death about cracked nipples and puréed foods and daytime sleeps. I’m begging you.
7) Don’t let it walk around my house with food and put its dirty little hands all over my windows.
8) Don’t keep offering it up to be admired and expect me to plaster a smile on my face. How many times can I lie about it being *adorable!* How. Many. Times!
9) Do Not Ever put it on the phone and expect me to talk to it for 15 bloody minutes! For the love of gawd …
10) Human shit, vomit and boogers make people heave. Just because it doesn’t affect you doesn’t mean that it doesn’t affect me. Get it out of the cafe and away from my food. NOW!
11) Don’t tell me how tired you are. You know where they are and they’re safe. I’ll listen in another 18 years when you’re spending your weekends in a sleep deprived panic because your baby is in The Cross with their mobile turned off.
12) Don’t tell me how stressful parenting is. You ain’t seen nothin yet.
Oh, that’s more than 5 and I’m nowhere near finished!
I must be a cranky old geriatric lady who has already raised her children and couldn’t care less if I never see another baby again.
Next time I see a mother and have no choice but to engage in small talk, instead of asking if the baby is ‘good,’ I’ll do as you ask and think of something more original. Don’t blame me if I ask ‘is its father a monkey?’
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Love it! My kids are entering their teenage years and yes I’ve heard enough baby talk over the years to write a book (fav parent talk? – when mothers tell you a story but use a baby voice as in “Luke said mummy I need to do poos and I said but Lukey you just went and mummy is cooking dinner etc etc” painful in the worst possible way.) Yeah, wait till your 13yo wants to take the bus on her own.
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This was literally laugh out loud funny. My kids are still pre-teens, but I can so relate. Especially when my naturopath thinks she is the only person on the face of the earth to have a toddler who likes to sweep with the broom, or take my credit card when I pay for my visit – refusing to give it back when I’m in a hurry to leave, etc, etc. God I hope I wasn’t like that when mine were little …
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The sad thing is, you probably were on a few occasions! I don’t mean that in a snarky way, just that I reckon we can all laugh at the pain when G.O.B. puts it that way (and I did, out loud no less!) but I reckon we’ve all been that parent at least once in an unguarded moment. I definitely know I have with my kids. I know the feeling of a big goofy grin over my child’s gorgeousness slowly becoming pained as it dawns on me that I’m the only one in the room who’s captivated. C’mon, we’ve all been there
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Geriatric, I think we might be soul mates:)
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I heart you. Let’s be friends.
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of course you do
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Geriatric for PM!
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No thanks
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Geriatric
I bet you still plaster a smile all over your face every time you see someones baby. It’s just what people do, smile to your face and then bitch in cyberspace.
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after the hysterical reactions from some to perfectly reasonable questions or comments no-one would dare not to smile at a baby, they would probs be dragged away to the stocks!
I don’t mind ppl who I know aren’t into kids smiling at my youngest before wandering off. I certainly prefer that to someone coming up and saying I hate kids and scowling at my bairn!
Geriatic seems funny and rather cool, don’t come over to mine though (you would HATE the poo/crying/vomit chatter!)
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Oh don’t be ridiculous. We are talking about people who come up and offer you unnecessary advice when it’s not wanted or needed. Totally different to smiling at a baby, i’d say. Geriatric sounds like someone with a massive chip on their shoulder to me.
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I still plaster a smile all over my face & then bitch in cyberspace or to anyone who doesn’t have a baby or toddlers. It would rude to ignore the mother & child…it’s much more polite to be two faced.
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I have 1 young bub and are due to have another and I dont talk about poo, vomit etc with others and it annoys the hell out of me when others do. yuck
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And please, please, please, don’t tell me details of the birth! I really don’t want to know!
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This is so mean. I cannot think of anything else to say. Very sad.
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Angry, angry group. Both the mothers who are offended by harmless inquiries and the childless who ‘don’t give a s**t’ about the kid they’re asking about.
As a mother I do not mind being asked any of these questions. Honestly, I find it a good excuse to talk about my little one! The only time I was ever bothered a bit (but not in an angry way…in a ‘Oh man I have to get my act together way), was when my dentist, one month after my baby was born, asked “Have you had the baby yet?” before doing an xray on my teeth. Still think he’s a nice man, and five months later had lost all of the baby weight!
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I agree – as I think I have said on the last time one of these posts appeared – most of the time people are just trying to show an interest. Most of these questions are very benign with no malicious intent.
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As an extension of number one ‘gosh your big for X weeks. Must be having a big baby!’ Not helpful to first time (or anytime) mums. With my first one I remember people saying ‘not long now’ from when I was 20 weeks! I carried big. I was all baby. And if I had have cooked him full term instead of going into labour at 38 weeks he may have been a big baby. But I was happy with 8pd5oz.
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Same! My last baby was 4.5 kilos at 37 weeks. I got big really early and I had someone tell me mine was the longest pregnancy in history! What I think he meant was that I looked 8 months pregnant very early and only got bigger and stayed pregnant for what seemed to be longer than normal to him, but I really knew how huge my tummy was…
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I’ve always been surprised at how many people ask if my baby is a boy or a girl when I take her out in pink clothes with a band in her hair..
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Probably because pink used to be a boys colour or they are not so gender/colour bothered as you.
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Yeah, like 150 years ago!
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I’m a new mum and I found this article funny… the comments? Not so much. The number of people whining about ‘precious new mums’ is just ridiculous. God, grow some humour! It’s a light piece about the things that can get annoying for a new mum, not a missive about how you have to treat her with kid gloves.
Please by all means make small talk, show interest, and ask questions if you like – just think twice and don’t be offensive – as with ANY OTHER HUMAN INTERACTION, not just new mums. Sheesh, it really isn’t rocket science.
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Maybe it’s because I don’t have children….but I really didn’t know that “Is he/she “good”?” or “Not long to go now…” were “offensive” to new or expectant mothers. In my naive state of never had gone through the experience, to me, these are generic questions, since I don’t have the inside knowledge of the specifics of pregnancy/parenthood to know what might be a more appropriate question to ask.
Perhaps, “as with any human interaction”, new or expectant mothers could show a little grace with people who are trying to show polite interest, even though they might not ask what the mother considers to be an appropriate query.
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Really enjoyed reading your article Meg, my sister and I have always had a good laugh about the “good baby” thing.
I had no intention of posting anything until I read some of the responses below… Chill people! Pretty clear to me that the article is not a slur on the good intentions of older ladies or a reason to stop talking to people. Just a light hearted look at the hilarious comments we attract once pregnant.
If you don’t learn to see the funny side of things as a mum then you’ll probably totally intense yourself and everyone else out. Thanks Meg for the laugh!!!
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I have five children and have heard it all and then some. The ‘haven’t you figured out what causes it’ and all the lame ‘don’t you have television’ comments were nothing compared to the casual acquaintance and in-laws who asked why I didn’t abort my later-in-life surprise baby.
People can make strange and hateful comments but the ones quoted by Meg aren’t strange or hateful. They are nothing more than small talk. The exact same things were said to me and my mother and probably hers as well. They are the equivilent of asking ‘how are you.’ it is people being NICE.
I don’t find this article funny, clever or original. I think it’s mean spirited.
I find the comments below rather liberating. I can now ignore you and your funny looking baby.
And the fact that my sister-in-law was a defensive know-it-all who abused anyone who asked a gentle question or gave a suggestion about her daughter, who CLEARLY had significant neurological issues, has missed out on valuable years of intervention.
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My husband’s brother and his wife live over an hour away. I packed up presents and food and other goodies and headed off for their son’s second birthday. Did I have nothing better to do? Did I want to spend my weekend telling them how clever and funny their very ordinary child is? Arghhhh
Anyway, one of his eyes really concerned me. I *gently and respectfully* told them and suggested they get it looked at.
WELL all HELL broke loose. How would I know, it’s been 20 years since my youngest was a baby!! I’m a pediatric oncology nurse.
They did nothing about it.
It was cancer.
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Well said.
I really don’t understand why people take offence to this. I can’t remember one comment that ever stood out and bothered me. I just don’t and never cared.
I also don’t know how books on this are still getting published – it’s been done to death.
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Have to say I’m a bit with you on that. How many ‘hilarious’ and ‘irreverent’ looks at motherhood do we need? I’ve read one, it was Kaz Cooke. Loved it but it was enough for me.
Having said that, I do actually like Meg’s tone and writing style.
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Serious? “Why didn’t you abort your baby?” After you’re done icing your hand from PUNCHING THEM IN THEIR DAMN RUDE FACE, maybe you could respond with “So US Republicans don’t chase me down and have me charged with murder”.
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Just let things go in one ear. Then out the other. Stop listening to people. They’re all stupid and full of crap advice.
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My poor daughter putting her shopping through the checkout only to have the checkout boy to say “you must feed your baby a lot of takeaway”. Yes we all agreed my grandson was a big baby but he hadn’t even started solids purely breast feed just a big boy. Many many people commented on this to the point she felt uncomfortable going out in public. He’s now 2 and looks like any other little boy.
So now she has a TINY 9 month old little girl and everyone feels they can ask how old she is now she is crawling & so small. Much easier small than big. But mums r so tough on themselves without some of the well meaning but doubt causing comments we can make. having said that mums if u choose to listen retain whats helpful and forget straight away what’s not, because we all have opinions not the FACTS.
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Definitely need to add #6: Must be time to have a 2nd then?
I’m no precious mum, but I am someone who was told that the only way I’d conceive was by donor egg, or miracle! After 6 failed attempts of IVF, and months & months of paying for chinese herbs and acupuncture, I got my miracle!!!
No person has the right to ask when you are going to have another, some women just can’t! I started menopause at 29, unexplained, not hereditary, managed to conceive, and since having my little boy, all my bloods are back to where they were; post-menopausal!!!! I’m now nearly 34, and contemplating life with just one child, and what a beautiful little boy I have
For those saying mothers have become more precious, it’s not on purpose, it’s because every 2nd day there is a new “study” that has come out, saying breast or formula is best, young v older mums, working v non-working mums, childcare v homecare, solids at 4 v 6months, it’s ridiculous, and creates the mother’s guilt/angst that is around far too much these days!!!
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don’t worry love, if you had your second and it was a boy (as it is in my case, another gorgeous boy), you’ll get harassed about “when are you having your girl”. As if it’s not already bloody hard enough.
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I say keep asking those questions people!! I’m a mum, and due to have my second early next year. Love being pregnant. Love people asking questions or having a chat to me. I understand if people don’t know how far you are, why would they? It’s not the end of the world if they are out by 5 or 10 weeks. Is it?
On my due date with my first, I was out shopping and a older (larger) lady was being served in front of me and dropped something, the assistant asked if I could pick it up. Sure I did, was I offended at being asked while being 40wks pregnant, NO! Why? Because I’m pregnant, it’s not that bad or big a deal.
To all those that do ask the questions, keep doing it, I’d gladly answer and have a conversation.
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I was in a lift with a new mum having her first super market trip with her precious newborn, she was smiling telling me she has been sleeping in two hour blocks, & feeding really badly, as the doors opened I said
” don’t worry it will get worse” !!! WTF!! A truly horrid thing to say, she just stood there, mouth open. As I walked away it occurred to me what I had said, I meant to say better, Fruedian slip methinks….
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i actually heard someone say on Thursday to someone else’s baby:
“Don’t take this the wrong way, but wow, with all that red hair, your baby looks like an Orang Utang!”
How can you NOT take that the wrong way?????
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Shocker.
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And yet very funny!
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Oh how I wish they had said it to me, so I could reply:
Holy Crap! Darwin was RIGHT!
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the thing new mums shouldnt do is wait for that first meeting comment. Come on u know the comment u all want awh isnt he/she beautiful. its really awkward for us visitors when ur baby looks like a science experiment gone wrong & we gotta quickly focus on its long fingers or blue eyes or anything so we dont have to outright lie.
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That’s GOLD!!
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I have a friend who simply CANNOT lie well. So, generally she just doesn’t. Which works out great, till she sees a less than stunning newborn (they are deliciously scrunchy and odd!) she just coos “ohhhhh! it’s a GIRL/BOY!” then quickly moves on to something she CAN talk about. She’s a mum of two herself but yes, just… can’t swing it. Gave her own hell too when they were freshies.
It’s hysterical to watch, she’s SO uncomfortable!
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Can relate to that…I know I’ve dropped some clangers as a result!
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Hear hear!
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I know someone who couldn’t lie about how beautiful her friend’s newborn was so came up with ‘Nice pram!’ oh dear!
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One of my besties told me, when I went to see my darling goddaughter (her first baby) for the first time, ‘Don’t laugh. I know she looks like a skinned monkey’ :0
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I told all my family & friends that I thought my newborn son looked like a bilby & my mother said I was evil. WTF, I think bilbies are cute. Luckily my aunty & sister agreed with me otherwise I would have felt really bad:)
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The worst thing that was ever said to me when my baby was a few days old was “Wow if I saw you in the shops I wouldnt think you just had a baby, I’d just think you were a really big girl” – HOW is that a compliment!!!!? I was quite gutted and I still am several years later!
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That is such an odd thing to say!
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It is not just as a “new” mum. We have gaps between our kids. 4 years between nos 1 & 2 and 8 years between nos 2 & 3. We didn’t plan it that way, that’s just the way it happened.
I have learnt this is is something most people feel compelled to comment upon, esp if they have something negative to say. In playgrounds, shopping centres, schools….usually somewhere with an audience!
I have been asked if my nos 1 and/or 3 were accidents, or if they even had the same father!!!
Maybe some people realise there may have been issues surrounding our fertility, but those people have the good grace to stay silent. Oh, but the replies I have had fly through my brain (but thankfully not out of my mouth). I would love to have said, “well, my husband wasn’t eligible for parole between nos 1 & 2″ or something else as bitchy!
3 of my friends have actually had to bury babies…I always wonder how on earth they can manage not to scream at the insensitive comments that come their way regarding the gaps in their families.
FYI, we like gaps. Yes, our first was a bit of an “ooops” baby, but still wanted. The other 2 were very much planned and worked hard for!!! They didnt come when we thought they would, but we were blessed, eventually, with their presence in our family. The gaps have given us time to enjoy each child, without me wanting to top myself with 3 under 4 or 5 years (I truly wouldnt have coped), or stretch ourselves too badly financially. But each to their own, I say. And I *love* the fact my 2 eldest children have seen me mother the youngest- they have learnt that babies can be hard work, breastfeeding can have it’s problems, but in most cases, can be worked through and that parenting is for ADULTS, hopefully in nurturing relationships, when they are able to invest their time and love to a newborn.
Oh, and another gem I heard far to often when pregant, with all 3 was “OHHHH!!! You are having a BOY!!”. “Err, no, the san *clearly* showed a vulva- NO penis”…..But, nooooo!!! They could tell by the shape of my belly- the $5000 machine obvioulsly was useless…..WTF???!!!! Some people are surely born idiots……
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Never ever ask a new mum when she is having her next one and never just blurt out “I think its time you gave your new bub a sibling don’t you?” Fyi its none of anyone’s business!!! After just having gone through child birth I don’t want to do it all over again just yet!
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There are sometimes genuine reasons for asking.
I don’t have grandchildren yet but a few of my friends do. After decades of planning the travel and trips and moves to the country that we would do when our children were finally off our hands, they’re now trapped in babysitting land.
So, when I ask if they’re planning anymore children it’s so that I can meet my friend’s eyes and see the resigned despair when the snotty answer is, “Maybe in a couple of years. I want to ensure my career isn’t affected and I’m short listed for a promotion, so longer hours. And Tristan really wants to do the Greek Islands next year … so, we’ll know when we’re ready. Mum, we have a dinner party next week. You’re right to come over and sit upstairs in case the baby wakes up? I’ll text you a list of things I’ll need, if you can grab them on your way? It won’t be a late night. You should be home before 1.’
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Ah, your friends could just say no, couldn’t they?
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I went shopping with my first child when he was about 3 months old. I desperately needed a new maternity bra (as my boobs quickly swelled to a size G – aarghh) and to find one more present to complete my Christmas shopping.
Standing in the changeroom trying to find a bra that fit as quickly as possible while soothing my crying baby i heard a woman in the next changeroom loudly proclaim to her friend “i feel so sorry for poor little babies being dragged around the shops when they should be at home sleeping” – cue the tears from me.
Later after sitting in the dreadful and smelly parents room feeding my son (because with size G boobs it was not possible to do the “discreet feed” out in public) i flew into a bag shop to buy a present – whilst paying for it and soothing my still crying baby on my chest i had another lady come up and pat him and say to me “honey the poor little man’s hungry.” I almost replied “Really? Thats weird! I just gave him a whole bunch of chips from Macca’s – he should be good for at least another half hour before he’s due for his bottle of coke.”
I really struggled with motherhood for the first 4 or 5 months of my sons life and only wish i had encountered these women when i found my groove a few months later!!
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That’s gold
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Oh dear, get a backbone or stop annoying us all with your yelling spawn whilst we out shopping. As for G being too big for feeding outside a room, what nonsense you obviously have some social issues outside loads of new mums that big feed anywhere, hence why you got comment you starving the wee kid, just get on an d breastfeed for goodness sake. Back bone, grab one.
As to hurting mums feelings think about how your kids are ruining it for everyone trying to enjoy a nice day shopping. My kids now have kids and they are not so soft as the article writer.
Seriously this article is terrible!Surely the worst things to say to a new mother are terrible things like news about bad health and war and lack of food, stop pretending you have it hard we don’t,hence pseudo “issues” of new mothers these days. The 80′s whinging babies seem to have turned into whinging mums these days
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Oh wow! You are one mean woman. I was uncomfortable enough with me ‘D’ breastfeeding boobs, I can only imagine how it would be with ‘G’. You must be bitter as you obviously not only lack empathy and compassion but, like the odious woman in the change room, actually like to be nasty. Nice!
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“My kids now have kids and they are not so soft as the article writer” – I feel for your kids “another boring mum story.” God forbid they have an insecure moment parenting your grandkids only to be met with “back bone, grab one” from their loving supportive mother – sheesh!
I don’t have social issues by the way – i can only breastfeed my kids using the “football hold” due to the size of my boobs – this requires a couch-like chair and a cushion so they can lay by my side – hardly do-able whilst charging around the shopping centre.
And sometimes you have to shop with your “yelling spawn.” Its been my experience that maternity bras and other necessities don’t just appear out of thin air when needed.
A heart – grab one
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Oh, my heart just went out to you. God, I hope that awful woman heard your tears and felt bad.
Probably not, if she was anything like the poster above!
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My mother is champion of the judgmental hover.
I finally snapped the day she pushed past me to check the temperature of my daughter’s bath water, then told me I was putting the jumpsuit on incorrectly. The right way up and the right way round, mind you, just, somehow (in her eyes) wrong.
I politely reminded her that any parenting advice she had received, or any practice she may have had was conducted a full quarter century ago and my last bath-and-bedtime-wrangle been not 24 hours prior. And I had been doing it nightly for a solid five months.
She stowed her opinions after that.
Advice only when requested, or if the child is in actual mortal danger, please….
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Are babies now made differently to when you were born? I reckon that with the amount of baby dressing and bathing your mother has done, it wouldn’t matter if it was 80 years ago, she’s still be a dab hand at it.
When you repeat a task five times a day every day for years and years, you don’t forget it.
I would have walked out and left you to it.
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Goodness, that was a bit mean, Stef. Anonymous, I totally understand where you are coming from. Did my head in, too.
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Stef – surely you jest? Or you don’t have kids and/or an overbearing mother/in-law?
And believe me, walking out and leaving me to do would be the best option BY FAR. Nothing less helpful than unsolicited advice.
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Maybe she is an overbearing mother/in law herself?
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Maybe she’s just giving her opinion based on her experiences ?
Consider that.
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Really? You don’t think telling your daughter that she is putting the jumpsuit on wrong when she clearly isn’t is rude?
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Is this the same mother that you ask ( or will in the future) ask to baby sit?:)
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So baby-sitting is conditional then? ie you can give uninvited and unhelpful advice because you babysit?
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yes, mum in laws arent your slave and shouldnt be treat like one. Grow up.
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Good on you anon. Sometimes people need to be told.
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Five other things not to say to a new mum:
1. “what a beautiful baby!” No need to patronise me and start judging my baby on her looks when she isnt even walking yet. For your information I’ll be valuing my daughter’s brains, personality and talents. When she goes into therapy for poor self esteem, I’ll be sending you the bill.
2. “You look like you could use some time off”. Oh wow. That’s because I do. Instead of the platitudes, why not do something meaningful, like offer to babysit.
3. “You’ve just had a baby? You look fabulous!” Do you have any idea how HUMILIATING it is to be reminded 24/7 how quickly I’ve bounced back into shape? Anyway, what am I supposed to look like? A beached whale?
4. “why don’t you drop round for a coffee some time?” What the hell? Do you seriously think I have nothing to do all day but wait around for patronizing invitations?
and my favorite……
5. “Hi!” Ok. Now that about takes the cake. What am I, everyone’s property? If I bloody well want to say hello to someone I’ll say it. So butt out and don’t assume I want to talk to you. Because most of the time, I don’t. I’m sleep deprived, I’ve got vomit on my top and there’s another pooey nappy to change. So save the niceties for someone who cares!
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Geez…
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Wow. Hope the tongue is firmly in cheek for no. 5 at least!
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I would rather hope all of them are tongue in cheek. Though if it was meant to be funny it didn’t quite come across.
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Very funny.
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I love helping new mums and I think they appreciate the help. I’d be pretty scared of helping you though if you go off like a bomb each time says hi!
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I was going to comment but I won’t. I don’t want to say anything that may offend you.
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I think u need a bex & a lie down
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It’s all tongue in cheek peeps! Don’t stress!
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With that attitude I am surprised there is anyone left to say hi!!! Calm down.
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She is joking!
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Good one! At first I’m thinking, but I love it when someone says I have a beautiful baby…then I got it by No. 5 ‘Hi’
Love it.
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Oh my God, my 2nd baby has always been a tiny little thing. While we were doing weekly weigh ins and trying desperately to get her weight above the 3rd percentile, strangers everywhere would comment on how small she was. ‘Was she prem?’ No. ‘Was she little when she was born?’ Um, no, but thank you for reminding me. There is a certain cafe I will never go back to because the owner gave me the 3rd degree on why she was so small, and finished off with an incredulous ‘Well I guess she’s just petite.’ She is still small now. Turns out, some people are big, some small. Fancy that.
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Exactly the same position as you. One mother in my mothers group exclaimed “she is so small but she doesn’t seem to be developmentally delayed”. Excuse me? Not sure how being on the 3rd percentile equates to developmental delays!!
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How about ‘are you sure they got the dates right, you’re very big/ small, aren’t you?”. Good grief!!!!!
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Got told on the same day by two different people when six months pregnant – “are you sure it isn’t twins?” and “ooh six months? You don’t look that far along, is everything ok?”
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My husband’s childless 22 year old secretary was shocked that I was eating chocolate while breast feeding,(after checking with my dr). She shook her head, sighed and said, and I quote, “well, I guess it’s your baby”.
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I ate chocolate while breast feeding and it gave my babies the most incredibly bad painful colic…….took a few sleepless nights to figure that one out. Maybe she’d heard of someone who had a similar experience because I know a few people who had the same thing with their babies
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What is colic?
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Colic is pure HELL, it’s unexplained crying for more than 3hrs at a time, three times a day, at least 3 times a week. My son cried non-stop for the first 10 weeks of his life.. Hard times. Thankfully now at 20mths, he sleeps 12 hours a night.. He got all his bad sleeping out early on!!!
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It can which is why I asked my doctor. The 22 year old with no kids that can barely get a coffee order right, well, I wasn’t quite so interested in her opinion, particularly when given so rudely.
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I am so relieved that as a 22 year old, you never spoke your opinion….and I bet you probably still don’t….
I just don’t get all the nastiness about people (who clearly just don’t “know” that Mums are sensitive about their pregnancies/babies/parenting) saying things that are clearly a little ill informed, but not necessarily said in malice. I just don’t see how “Its your baby” should be offensive…….
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My most humiliating experience so far, just after I had my second baby which was by the way a truly horrendous pregnancy during which I was so sick I actually lost weight I was 75kg at the beginning of the pregnancy and 56kg when I came out of hospital after the birth, so anyway I was in the chemist and the woman that served me asked about the baby (he was in a sling) and then she proceeded to call another woman from out the back to come and look at how skinny I was, I was so embarrassed, still can’t believe that she actually called the other woman out to look at me! really wanted to say that yes if you throw up every day many times a day and can barely manage to get any food down then you to could look like this!
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Why didn’t you say that you were so skinny because you’d been so sick? Wouldn’t that be better than still thinking about it so long after?
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why should I have to explain to a complete stranger that I had up until a week or so ago been throwing up every hour for basically the last 9 months that I had actually pulled muscles in my stomach from throwing up? Also I am not actually still thinking about it seeing as the child in question is now 5 and I have a third on who is almost 2 so I do have other things to think about but seeing as though this is an article about what not to say to new mothers I just thought I would share, plenty of other things people have said during/after 3 pregnancies and babies have pissed me off too but this one is one that really annoyed me.
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Mate. Isn’t that the day you wish you could hurl on her shoes? x
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BEST ARTICLE EVER! I have also experienced all 5 of the above comments, and one even more “well meaning”. As i was feeding my son in a shopping centre a woman stopped on her way to whatever store they sell judgement, and said “should you really be giving him a bottle? Isn’t he a bit young?” I was too gob smacked to answer, and tell her it was actually expressed breast milk, but ever since I’ve been thinking of a comeback. Something along the lines of – no, aren’t you a bit old to be commenting? It looks like its been years since you had your own kids! But I didn’t of course, I just smiled and ignored her.
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Get off your soapbox and go home you ageist precious brat.
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It seems that when you are pregnant or a mum, everyone feels they have a right to comment. I was 8 and 1/2 months pregnant with my 2nd child when I brought a maccas 50c ice cream and some guy walked past and said ” looks like you’ve eaten enough of those!”
I was devastated – I was proud of my pregnant belly and the new life I was carrying, it was the first ice cream I had eaten in ages as there was no maccas in the town I lived in and we were visiting the city for a treat, and he was no skinny minty either! What does give people the right to make such comments?
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I had a little giggle at that, I have to admit. It’s such a ‘dad joke’.
Obviously he was talking about your pregnant belly and not your weight as such. I would have laughed if it was said in the way I’m imagining it was.
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Pregnant women are precious…….
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Ratherrrrrrrrrrrrrrr !
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hurray! you read my post on another article – meg’s book is the funniest i have ever read. you have my life!
i will buy it for every new mother i know
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