In the playground recently, whilst waiting for our children, a mummy (hereafter referred to as “Working Mummy”) asked me how my work was going. I explained that I don’t work and she said, “Oh, but you have a babysitter don’t you?”
There was something about her tone that made me respond with a “Since having my fourth baby and moving country, I haven’t gone back to work. My fourth child (did I mention I have four children) is still a baby. When I used to work part time, I was working a full time load in fewer (and longer days) for lesser pay. The family and I are just not ready for that yet.”
She responded with a “Yes, my job was like that but you quickly learn to…” At which point our children came running out and thankfully prevented her from presumably teaching me how to manage my work-life balance. Her son launched himself into her arms and would not stop hugging her. My son, Secundo, has been playing it cool lately and acknowledged me for long enough to hand me his bag – moving me down what felt like a Mummy Hierarchy from “Mummy Who Stays At Home and Still Needs Help” to “Mummy Whose Children Are Not Interested In Her” which I think is somewhere above “Deadbeat Mummy” and “Criminally Negligent Mummy” but apparently still way below “Working Mummy”.
I used to be Working Mummy and my life, like many parents who work part time (or any time) involved:
- carrying trainers in my handbag so I could run to meetings, often sprinting down the corridor past a friend who would hold out a coffee for me to grab as I would rush to the next meeting (this was my own version of the London Marathon);
- drinking too much industrial strength coffee, not having time to wee and subsequently having to drink industrial strength cranberry juice;
- reading and responding to my Blackberry on the toilet;
- eating Mars Bars for lunch because I could chew them faster than Snickers (it’s the nuts that slow you down) between meetings;
- starting work at 7am and leaving work at 5pm sharp (I would just pick up my stuff in the middle of a meeting, give a jaunty, highly caffeinated wave and walk out) so I could see my children, read with them, put them to bed and then log on to work from home; and
- waking up at 5am with a rush of adrenaline remembering all the things I could not possibly do in a 3 – 4 day week.
It also involved picking up the “spillover” on my days “off”.
Last week Working Mummy needed help with a pick up so I offered to bring her son home. When she arrived after work we chatted and I said that I would be happy to help her if she was ever in a bind as we were often home. To which she said, “That’s right, you don’t work do you?”
What happened next wasn’t pretty. I basically name dropped my professional CV in 45 seconds. I used words like human rights and systemic social change, prefacing everything with global and international. I don’t actually know what any of those words mean any more. I just felt – for the first time in 8 years of being a mummy and 13 years of being a lawyer – that I needed to justify my current (non) work choice (and privilege) by setting out the credentials of my past working achievements.
In retrospect, I am ashamed I needed to boast about a vocation that I have only ever felt fortunate and humble to be a part of. And I wonder why I felt compelled to name drop my professional CV instead of my personal one. My personal CV would cite key competencies such as:
- strong strategic thinker – capable of hiding grated zucchini in any curry (that’s so that Husband eats his vegetables);
- preternatural stamina – able to withstand considerable whingeing and sleep deprivation before breaking down and crying like a baby;
- physically agile – able to convert my body into a human vibrating baby chair by rhythmically pulsating my one remaining abdominal muscle (I have 4 speeds);
- deeply intuitive (possibly psychic) – able to locate the 3 year old’s blue Bakugan at any time of the day or night; and
- persuasive communicator – able to mediate irrational arguments, lie to loved ones on my feet and silence small children with a “If you don’t stop fighting I’m going to give that Wii to charity.”
It just didn’t feel like enough but it should be.
Prima recently asked me when I had to go back to work. Secundo, ever logical answered for me and said “When we run out of money.” Prima responded with a “Mummy, I wish you had ten children, so you could never go back to work. You could stay at home with us forever.”
And suddenly, I felt like I’d been promoted.
Shankari Chandran is a recent returner after ten years in London. Formerly a social justice lawyer, she now uses her skills to keep the peace between her four children, a husband and a sometimes live-in mother-in-law. Shankari chronicles the day-to-day of her family’s return in her blog.
What is your 45 second CV?







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Working mums judge stay at home mums, stay at home mums judge working mums (as we can see from some of these comments) How about! – We stop judging each other and realise each person is doing the best they can do in their given situation? Now theres a thought.
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I am still on my one year maternity leave and I love it. I never want to go back to work. Why? Because I love staying home with my baby, playing with her, doing cleaning and just relaxing. Also I’ll freely admit that I am a lazy person. I don’t think I could ever be the Mum who goes to work and then comes home and looks after their child, cooks and cleans, etc. I admire Mums and Dads who can do that – really.
I don’t know when I’ll go back to work. I love the idea of still being at home when our daughter starts school. I love the idea of helping her with her homework, picking her up in the afternoon and participating at school. That’s just me and what makes me happy.
I don’t know why people judge. For me I couldn’t imagine having a child and then going back to work but if that’s what you have to do or what you want to do then what does it matter? So why should it matter if you choose to stay at home? I’m just going to embrace it and just be me.
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I can never locate my boy’s blue Bakugan. I’m a failure as a mother.
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you have to do what is right for you!! both are noble professions!
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A differenct perspective…
My mother was a stay at home Mum and I cherish the memories of my time spent with her and the activities she did with myself and my sister. We (the children of stay at home Mums) are the lucky ones! That someone could love us so unconditionally that they would choose to devote their time to us in this manner…amazing.
When I think of the sacrifices my Mum made as a professional woman and how hard it was for her to re-enter her chosen profession as an accountant (she never successfully did, instead she pursued a career change) it saddens me. As to the professional world her time “out of the workforce” aka raising her children, was considered nothing and one man even said a waste. I could not disagree more. I see it as a very selfless act.
I could go on about this for hours but I won’t. Instead I will finish with a HUGE thank you to both my Mama and to all the Mums out there who choose to stay at home and look after their children. It may seem that your children do not appreciate you when they don’t cling to you when you pick them up from school (the kids that do cling to their Mums in this instance are often the ones who rarely see their mothers) but one day they will realise what you sacrifised for them. And they will be greatful.
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Amazing writing! You are a journalist in the making!
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Good on you Shankari – caring for four children including a baby is a VERY big deal. Exhausting, very challenging, exciting, hilarious (also the very best job in the world.)
Don’t let working mums make you feel guilty or inferior, or like you need to justify your decision – we all balance things differently.
I have one child who is nearly two and I work two days a week, which is a good balance for me at the moment – I get to spend lots of time with my son and a little bit of time to myself where I “keep my hand in” and get to go to the toilet unaccompanied (major job perk!). I’m expecting my second child soon so next year I’ll be on maternity leave and I’m looking forward to that too though in many ways I expect it to be WAY more challenging than the juggle of working part time.
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Dead proud of you.
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Great piece on an interesting topic – I’m a non-working expat wife who can’t work due to visa restrictions and…I don’t even have my own kids! Leads to all kinds of awkward, intrusive questions and me often getting defensive because I assume everyone thinks I do nothing all day except laze around eating donuts. Which is far from the truth, obviously.
I could tell you how busy I am and list all the things I do, but I won’t, because reading through the mass of comments I was struck by how we are all trying to defend our decisions and our life and prove to everyone just how hard we work. I know I always want to do that too, but it seems a bit ridiculous.
Whether you work or not, or have children or not, or spend your days chowing down on donuts or not – we should all be grateful that we’ve been lucky enough to organise our life in a way that makes us happy and fulfilled, whatever that means to each of us. Most people in the world don’t have the luxury of making those kinds of choices.
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I wouldn’t worry about her comments- I bet she just wishes that she could be in your position. You are smart enough to do whatever you want career wise, but choose to care for your children at this point in your life. I work part-time (12 hours a week) in my own business, and have a nearly 3 yo and a 1 yo. But I often feel like I shouldn’t be back at work beacuse my children are still so young. Most of my friends that have children didn’t go back as early as I did, and neither have my mothers group.
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That made me laugh and cry! Never underestimate the importance of being a stay at home Mum. Prima’s comment sums it up. My Mum chose to stay at home and I feel so lucky that my Mum was just always ‘there’. In regards to the babysitter, I think it is wonderful as it takes some of the load off you so you can be a happier and more patient Mum to your beautiful 4 kids.
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I wouldn’t worry about her comments- I bet she just wishes that she could be in your position. You are smart enough to do whatever you want career wise, but choose to care for your children at this point in your life. I work part-time (12 hours a week) in my own business, and have a nearly 3 yo and a 1 yo. But I often feel like I shouldn’t be back at work beacuse my children are still so young. Most of my friends that have children didn’t go back as early as I did, and neither have my mothers group.
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Shankari, LOVE your work! Please don’t stop writing!
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hilarious! loved your post x
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Hey there! once again great article, its strange how people put their noses in others business!These days it takes more courage to be a stay at home mummy than a working mummy , its not as common as it used to be and you do alot of sacrifice by staying at home and earning nothing for your own expenses! how many e´women are actually ready for something like that?You are doing a big investment for the future by staying at home for your kids! I am proud of you stay at home mummy, i wish i could be one, but have to keep the family running with two incomes!!!I would definitly stay home if I could!
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So much agro ….. seems so ridiculous. You really can’t compare SAHMs with WMs there are just waaaay too many other factors at play.
I am currently a SAHM with a 3 yr old (only just), 22month old and 3 month old. I have a wonderful husband who earns enough money to keep us treading water and I have temporarily given up a reasonably unsatisfying but highly stressful and well paid career. We have no nearby family or organised care, it is just me all day everyday. I also have some mental health issues which are quite time consuming. I do occasionally feel judged by other women (that I am lazy or unintelligent for not returning to work) but at the moment I am too tired to care. I know that our current situation is a result of the choices we have made and luck that we were born into a country and an era where we have had the privilage to make them. I am way too tired and busy to give a shit about what anyone else thinks! I couldn’t care less whether other mums are SAHM or WM…. we all have 24 hrs in the day and I personally feel that I live a very honest, hardworking and rewarding life!
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BB, with 3 kids under the age of 5 I can’t think of anyone who wouldn’t agree that staying at home wouldn’t be the most sensible thing you could possibly do. I imagine you work harder most days than anyone in pretty much any manner of paid employment.
Just a personal opinion, but I think there is a big difference between SAHMs with kids under school age and those who continue after the kids start school. The latter I tend to see as more of a luxury, especially as there would be a bit of free time while the kids are in school. Not to say that SAHM’s of schoolies don’t keep busy, it’s just not the same.
It sounds like you’re doing a wonderful job and your bubs are lucky to have you.
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What a great article.. My mum stayed at home in the first 7-8 years of our lives and we loved it. She loved it. Everyone loved it. She went to work and is still working full-time years later because she loves her job. We love her being at home but I love it just as much that she works because she loves her job. Very rare to find a job you actually love..!
It takes a lot of courage to bring up children, job or no job.
I take my virtual hat off to EVERY mum who has put their all into raising children.
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This whole debate is so tiring.
My mum had to work. My dad pissed off leaving us with a bucketload of debt, a shell shocked mum and two kids utterly confused and heart broken. She did a damn fine job (yes we had the help of my tremendous grandma and great family friends) of raising my brother and I. Mum would have loved to be a full time mum til we were in high school (she’s told me this) to enjoy the fruits of her labour (pregnancy pun!) or maybe work a couple of days a week but not the full time insanity that she has worked for the past 12 years so that my brother and I wouldn’t “go without”.
I don’t get women who want to have kids and then go back to work 6 months later. If you need to for the money then don’t have kids til you can afford them. They aren’t an accessory. Oh yes I know, I know women need to have choice! Well sorry – you CHOOSE to have a baby so look after the damn thing. Equally as irritating are women who work and then look down the noses of women who have had kids and decided to stay at home with them – wow mother’s who wanted to have kids and are enjoying having kids? How provincial!
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What a judgmental post from start to finish. Why don’t women just ask you before they decide to have a baby whether you approve since you seem to be the expert on who should have kids and who shouldn’t.
Also, there is a big difference between enjoying your kids and having nothing else in your life but kids.
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I agree with you D. Very judgemental. I hate the judgements in these comments toward working mums. Most working mums I know work because they have to. Its almost impossible to pay off a mortgage on one income these days!.
My mum went back into the workforce part time when I was in Year 1. And full time when I got to highschool. It was great because she was there to drop us off and pick us up every day and I hope I can do much the same when I have kids. But I know things have changed and the cost of living has gone up. We are therefore holding off buying a house because it just wont be possible to have a mortgage on one income, when that time does come. I think each to their own and people are just doing the best they can. Dont judge others because you may end up in a situation where you need to do something (eg be a working mum) you never thought you’d have to do.
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Steph, personally I highly agree with your comment. I also cannot understand how someone can go back to work 6 months in to their child’s life. Not unless your circumstances drastically change and you literally have no other choice or you’ll starve. I really find it strange why you would want to carry something inside you for nine months, go through birth, be this little persons everything, and yet put them into care when they are so young. For me, I wish some people would put a little more thought into the whole concept, sometimes you can’t have it all and you need to make a choice. I’m planning on going back to work once my bub is around 3 or 4, and we’re by no means comfortably wealthy or anything, but it’s always been very important to me that if I’m going to have a child I’m damn well going to raise them and be there for them while they’re little.
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Ok. this next comment is likely to get me shot, but here goes… It is a bit off topic of the original article but there is an issue that seems to keep coming up often in the responses.
There are quite a few people commenting below on the idea SAHMs are doing this because they don’t like working. May I venture the idea that just possibly the WMs are working because THEY don’t like the full time monotony of looking after young children? Fair’s fair. Both sides of this issue do get something out of the choices that they have made. I’m not saying that WMs don’t love their children (far from it) but I truly believe that a large percentage (no idea how big exactly) of WMs are actually WMs because they want the me-time, adult interaction and self satisfaction etc that working provides. I’m not saying they are wrong for wanting that – geez there are plenty of times when SAHMs dream of the idea of dressing up in a suit, going out into the world and being appreciated just for themselves, rather than having to play yet another tea party! There is only so long an intelligent person can play kids games before they go slightly bonkers. I just believe that if SAHMs are being asked to ‘call a spade a spade’ then maybe we could get a bit of honesty from BOTH sides here?
I often hear people complaining how they have to work as they NEED both incomes, but I know that with a bit of adjustment they could probably survive pretty well on one for quite a while. When I first became a SAHM I did it knowing that there were certain things that we would have to be prepared to sacrifice. We certainly weren’t doing it on anything even close to a 6 figure salary! My husband and I decided what was most important to us and acted on it. To other people they aren’t willing to give up meals out, holidays etc and that is fine. I have no problem with this. I just wish there was some honesty from these people that they don’t really NEED to work – they choose to. I was always brought up to question myself before saying I needed something – as in do I actually NEED this or do I just WANT this? And honesty that WMs are not greater martyrs who are beholden to everyone but themselves.
Do I like being a SAHM? Yes. Does it have its benefits? Yes. Have I been honest enough? Can we get some honesty from ‘the other side’ so that we can meet in the middle here and get past all of this? That working is not all bad, and that there are definitely benefits to being a WM too that have nothing to do with sacrifice, and everything to do with doing what the Mums want (in the same way as it is being suggested SAHMs do?). I look forward to the day when we don’t have to question someone else’s motives and can just get on and enjoy a piece of cake and hot chocolate together!
Anyone else want some?
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Well said!
Of course there are benefits in everyones choice. I know for me the benefit as a SAHM is that I can sleep in during the school holidays. And if one of my kids is sick during the school term I dont have to stress out, worry about what to do about work and reschedule my day. Its quite simple, I get the other kids to school and then we stay home and watch TV together. My husband is grateful that I am happy to do it because his career is far too demanding, he is often overseas and he could not be relied upon to take a day off for a sick child.
I have a close girlfriend who works fulltime and the benefits for her are that she doesnt have to deal with homework and dinner time. She loves that by the time she gets home the nanny has fed the kids and helped them with their homework so she can relax and enjoy them.
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Sleeping in on school holidays is just lazy and encourages laziness in your children. Mothers should lead by example through their activities.
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I admit it.
I enjoy my work, I love the people I work with, enjoy the satisfaction of doing a good job and like being able to buy the extra things that my income allows us to afford.
I like feeling entitled to sit on the couch and watch TV while my husband washes up because we’ve both worked all day and I did the pick up and cooked dinner.
I didn’t find being at home with my kids boring when they were little because I did have a break on the days that I worked.
There are pros and cons to every arrangement, I’d love to be able to catch up with my SAHM friends for coffee more often but we just have have wine after kids bed time instead
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I have a SAHM friend who was recently feeling guilty about wanting to work 2 days a week. They were bored, wanting time away from their toddler and felt really bad about it.
I referred her to the best step-mothering advice I ever received, which I think can be applied to every situation “Sometimes you have to be selfless enough to put yourself first. You can’t give the best of you to someone else unless you are the best of you.”
Anyone who is lucky enough to be able to choose should not be judged for what they choose. In an ideal world, we would all get to choose.
Me, I’d choose to stay at home… Ask me again when I have a child
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From another Mum of 2 – your post is brilliant – all my friends and family who have kids and work tell me that their days at work are their days “off”, that they like the lunch breaks, getting dressed up, work travel, getting paid, Christmas parties and bonuses – I don’t relate to that as I’d rather be at home with my kids – I loved my former job of a teacher but for now, I want to stay at home and be with my own as I longed for my children for so many years.
No, we’re not loaded, we live in Sydney on less that $80,000 a year (I know that to some families that is a lot of money but to others in my family and social circle it is less than half of what they earn – fortunately I compare myself to the millions we earn more than and consider ourselves lucky). We budget but I don’t worry week for week. We are going overseas next year because we saved before I had our children and we use that account for travel, my husband is English so it’s important to us that we get back every few years. We still eat salmon! We rent our house, which people will say doesn’t provide security for our children, but I would argue that with me home with them and us not worrying about both parents having to work to just reach repayments, we have more security than most. Sadly, in Sydney, even if I did go back to work with two in daycare, we wouldn’t be able to buy in many areas close to my family, we have already moved 45 minutes away from them all as rentals where they live were just too high. We hope to keep saving and buy within 7 years if circumstances allow. By then our kids will be at school and I will get a job during school hours.
I try not to judge working mums as my sister, who is my best friend, is one. She works as much for herself as she does to pay off their excessive mortgage (over $800k in Sydney). They seem much more stressed than us about finances. For me, I always wanted to be at home to raise my kids, I had a career, and I will have again, but not in the same capacity, but I’m okay with that. The combined salary some of my friends have is huuuugggee, I know they don’t need to work, but they loved their jobs and some have told me they can’t be home with their kids all day every day as they would go mad – hmmmm, I don’t think I’m mad. And to those that will say something about do I worry about not earning and losing everything if my husband dies or leaves me, all our money is in joint accounts and I don’t want to base my life on “what if” – let’s just say that I am aware that when I do go back to work I will have to sacrifice more to Super and that in the meantime my husband puts some money in each year in my super account).
It is a full on day at home with 2 but as you can see I still get the odd moment here and there to check my fave websites, have an opinion, phone a friend or two and have a cuppa (although it is usually cold). When I get asked what I do all day, I tell people that I do with my kids what those people at the Daycare Center they pay $100 a day for do with their kids, as well as cleaning, having kids over to play, going to the park and pushing that swing 1 million times, do the food shopping, prepare meals, work on our vege patch and I also manage all our finances. We are really happy with our family situation. If others want to judge me for staying at home they can but I can’t understand why they would, I’m just a mum who wants to be at home for the first years before school with her children. It makes me happy. When it gets too much for me, which on occasion with a 2 year old and a 5 month old it can, I tell my mum, or my husband and I have a cry, go to a cafe with something to read for a couple of hours at the earliest opportunity and I come back with a clear head. Or lately I’ve started exercising to get some “me” time which is a win/win situation as I want to feel better about myself and fit into my summer clothes! My other me time is watching X Factor and The Slap. It does help when your partner is supportive and is in a job which has more flexible hours, my husband is usually home before 6pm and sees the kids in the morning and afternoon. Anyway, I find these articles interesting but hate the division between all mums. I love my sister and my friends that work, we’re still all mums and that should unite us, not divide us.
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I went back to work because I love being able to afford to get my hair cut AND buy school uniforms. And because my god, there is nothing better than that first coffee of my working days at my desk, wearing my heels, with the quiet hum of industry around me, and the certain knowledge that nobody will tell me they’ve done a poo and expect me to do something about it.
Well, unless it’s the first coffee of my stay home days at the cafe with small children all clamoring to get a bite of the cookie and show me how good they are at drinking their cino without spilling.
My life really does rock.
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Yes – me! Totally agree with you! The SAHMs are also the brave ones, not ashamed to say that they roll up their sleeves and do the HARDEST cliche job in the world for a living!
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I think we would all be happier if we tried to have a competition about how lucky we are rather than try to make out like one life is harder than another. At the end of the day we have all made choices to get us to where we are today (and I am not suggesting that everyone has the luxury to not work but perhaps earlier choices like who we marry or education, travel, mortgages etc have impacted) and I for one am much happier on the days that I realise that where I am today is where I want to be; in fact my ideal situation was to have a job that I can integrate into my life, and I have done that, of course there are the other days too – when I feel so pushed and pulled by all my commitments that I am ready to run away from home (and work).
Celebrate what you love about your life and if you disagree with someone else’s choice, or don’t understand it, just assume it is what works for them and celebrate for them too!
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I am a SAHM. I have one toddler, planning to have another one or two children.
My toddler goes to occasional care two mornings a week – which she loves. Initially we started this for her so she would get some independent play time, and the 6 hours a week of ‘me time’ I get is a bonus.
We also have a cleaner once a fortnight, and someone who does the ironing.
A LOT of women can gen snitchy and even quite rude about my situation – snide comments about being spoiled since SAHM are ‘supposed’ to do all the cleaning and ‘why is she in care while you do nothing?!’
But my husband works REALLY long hours. The money he earns pays for these little things, and allows me to have some ‘me time’ since he is rarely, if ever, around to share the parenting load during the week.
I never justify myself to people – I just state the facts when asked, and smile politely to any comments.
The reality is, I find my situation to be very easy, pleasant, and (even though a toddler can make you want to walk into oncoming traffic ocassionally!!!) much better than my former life as a marketing exec! I will never return to work, unless something terrible happened and we needed the money.
I have no problem with working mums, SAHMs, whatever works for you! The only time I get pissed off is when people criticize my situation. I really believe that a lot of the time it is petty jealousy – because I get to be a SAHM but I still have time to myself.
Oh – and by the way, I’m not lazy, I promise, I just hate cleaning and ironing! I do heaps of cooking, and about 4 hours a week volunteer work.
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Well said! And 6 hours per week to yourself when your husband works long hours is still not that much. Being a SAHM is a 24/7 7 day a week role, esp. with a husband who is not home a lot. My husband gets home most nights in time to tuck sleeping baby into bed if we are lucky and I get 3 hours total to myself on the weekends and I relish that time. I also get a fortnightly cleaner and would love an ironing lady and will def. get one in the future. Good on you
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Darn you Shankari you write too, too well. I was up way too late reading your duck formation blog last night. I had to start at the beginning in May last year and it was sooooo hard to stop and turn out the light last night.
You need to come with a Warning Label:
“Caution: highly addictive writing. Consumers may find it difficult to enjoy in moderation.”
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I love this article!
One of my massive pet hates is when someone asks a leading question or makes a statement like that and it feels like they’re judging you. I know someone who used to quiz me about every aspect of my life, then do a tiny eyebrow-raise and “huh” noise when I told her the truth, looking away and sounding a little bit like she was laughing. Like “Why do you make breakfast for your husband in the morning?” me: “Because I know he won’t and I’d like him to eat breakfast” her: “huh” with a raised eyebrow and a tiny laugh.
Sometimes I just wanted to scream “BECAUSE I’M NOT A SELFISH BITCH WHO NEVER DOES ANYTHING NICE FOR ANYONE ELSE!” but I never did. Not once. I also never learnt to just keep my mouth shut and simply respond with “Why?”
Every single time I walked away feeling judged, hurt and, let’s be honest, a little bit violated. Why did I justify myself? Why do I even care what this person thinks of me?
I often hear about working mums judging non-working mums, or women with children judging those without, and vice versa. I thought we were meant to be able to live our lives the way we wanted to? Assuming we’re lucky enough to be able to do that.
I actually suspect that “Working Mum” is finding it hard, and by putting you down she’s only trying to make herself feel better. When someone judges you, it’s not really about you. It’s about them.
The best advice I’ve ever heard, and I’ve given it over and over again: Don’t Justify Yourself.
You don’t need anyone to agree with you except you (and your partner/children if relevant).
Shankari, next time “Working Mum” says “oh that’s right you don’t work, do you?” say “Yeah! Aren’t I lucky?”
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I agree MissT. I know a woman who would always ask those sorts of questions and it would really upset me. Along the lines of ‘dont you feel you have wasted your education’..’dont you get bored’..’you didnt like your job anyway so it was probably easy for you to quit’…etc..etc. I knew fully that she only did it to try and have a dig and she was probably jealous of me. And then of course when she had her first baby she asked me again when I was going back to work. She then replied ‘all of my mothers group went back to work quickly because we’re all professional and dont want to waste our qualifications’. And then her husband added ‘the truth is we need her income to pay the mortgage’…and with that I no longer felt the need to justify my own choice…she had the problem not me! Personally I dont care what people do, but when they use their choice to belittle others to make themselves feel better thats when I get cranky and will tell them what I think.
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Haha! Go husband! I love the way that men, so often, miss the subtle dance of criticism etc. between women, and just cut to the point. I bet she was cross.
I truly believe that in almost all cases, the (rare) working mothers who criticize SAHMs are jealous or bitter. I know SO many working mums who couldn’t care less that I don’t work. They are honest about needing the money, or preferring working to being at home with a toddler etc.
It’s only the ones who are a) ashamed that they don’t *want* to be at home with their kids (obviously feeling that this makes them ‘bad’ in some way) or the ones who b) need the money and are jealous about mums on ‘easy street’ who I find are critical.
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Hey, it’s not only men that miss it. I loathe it. I don’t really care if I piss people off, but I’m not into keeping up with the Joneses. And I’m certainly not going to play the passive aggressive game that so many women play. Or the guilt tripping. Myself or anyone else.
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“I truly believe that in almost all cases, the (rare) working mothers who criticize SAHMs are jealous or bitter.”
What a load of BS but if that’s what you want to keep telling yourself in order to feel better about staying home then go ahead.
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To feel better about staying home?! Mate I feel bloody brilliant about staying home! Don’t need anything to feel better about it
Honestly though, what other reason would there possibly be for a working mother to criticize a mother who has chosen to stay home, doesn’t need the money, enjoys her role etc and doesn’t begrudge working mothers their choice? What could you possibly find to criticize about that?
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I guess this is also judgemental, but I always feel sorry for women who have small children and work full-time. I work 2 days a week and love my job but full time??? I always assume people only do it as they have to due to financial reasons.
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People always feel the need to comment and judge on our choices when it comes to parenting and fertility. Personally I think that everyone should just be able to do what they want to do without fear of recrimination from someone else. Don’t want to work – good on you, want to keep your career you go girl, not sure – well wait till you can make the decision that suits you and not someone else.
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Wow. Some comments on this post are missing the point.
She is also questioning the need to justify her career. But that’s the point – why does it feel like she has to. I feel the same way. You work so hard at creating a career and that is a huge part of your identity for so long – it is really hard to completely let go of that. Even if you HAVE chosen to stay at home.
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As a working single mother I am somewhat jealous of/amazed by all the non-working mothers with so much time to blog and bitch about working mothers having a greater claim to “stress”. Personally, I just get on with it!
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This will be an issue that will be debated for all time – and I wish women, in particular, would let it go. Why? Because we should be prepared to embrace the choices any woman makes. Why are women the first ones to judge other women? The “boys club”, which in my circle of friends causes snarling and venom, aimed at how men stick together! Well, it would be so wonderful if women in general stuck together instead of creating these two groups of SAHMs or Working Mothers. To each his own, as my grandmother used to say. Embrace each others choice and be comfortable with your own choice. I admire any woman’s choice providing she is doing her very best (not supermum but doing the best she can). I was once sitting at a luncheon, me the SAHM with a home business (that’s another group) and a high powered career mum. After the very motivating, powerful guest speaker finished speaking, the career mum said, “isn’t great that feminism has allowed women to become such high powered career women, even with children”. She then went on to be very critical and offensive about how women who are SAHM really let the feminist movement down. After her rant, she turned to me and asked if I agreed (she was completely unaware of what “club” I was in). I told her that my grandmother was a feminist and was a trailblazer for her time, but she didn’t do the things she did to send women back to work, but rather, she wanted women to have the choice to be who they wanted and what was right for them. Choice! I then told her that my mother brought me up to believe that I was not to aim for equality with men, because I was so much better, stronger and smarter than them! In the end, I’m just me. I love the choices I have made, even the less than desirable choices. They have made me who I am today and I’m really happy with that. And for those who don’t appreciate my choices, that’s ok – that’s their issue, I don’t make it mine. All women should support each other in their choices, and be respectful that what works for one woman may not work for another and we should just focus on being the best we can, doing what we do best. So, I’d love to have members for the “girls club”.
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I think I love you!
This is a great post!
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Oh, yes, I *loved* reading this article. I’ve trained as a high school teacher, but I’m not starting to work yet, as my 2 year old girl was born half way through the course, and I actually backed out of doing an internship at the end of the course, as it in effect involved *more* work than the typical full-time load of a first-year-out teacher. It has been said that teaching is the only profession that “eats its young” (i.e. precious little support available for first-year-out teachers, partially unavoidably). Not only was the time involved too hard, but I found it unacceptably difficult to be emotionally ‘there’ for my child when I got home, due to all the concerns about – maybe, 120 kids, tallying up all my classes? I couldn’t do both, so I opted for the one that mattered most to me, and I think that makes me a better mother, and will make me a better teacher when the time comes. Would you want someone teaching your children who had run roughshod over the emotional needs of their own in the early years?
Only trouble is, I really don’t know how to squeeze all that into a polite response to “So, you don’t work, then?”
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And, can I add, why does the writer feel the need to boast about her former career?
Does she have to prove that having once been a high-flying careerist she’s somehow better than people like the poster below who said she’s always wanted to be a housewife, has always been a housewife and is happy to be a housewife?
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I agree Counterpoint, I work full time and yes it is through choice, although I would prefer a 4 day week. I work flexible hours and I am still there for pick ups and some drop offs. My kids are strong resilient children who are only that way because of life circumstance.
The whole need to justify yourself surely pinpoints a certain inferiority complex the above writer has.I couldn’t care less who of my friends are SAHM or who aren’t but come to think of it I have no friends who are SAHM as we have nothing in common. Perhaps this is why I live where I do in inner city Melbourne as I am surrounded by like minded people.
it is hard doing it all, and I sometimes feel I don’t do anything well just a lot of mediocre but the love I get from my appreciative kids makes up for it all!
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I feel like she is just trying to fit in, and prove herself according to her accusers ‘rules’ – but by playing in to that hand, she is just reiterating the idea that certain life choices are better than others.
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Wow you can hide veggies in a curry? Now that’s a skill that would stand up well on a CV.
Why is it that so many so called “SAHM”s are so defensive and annoying? You can carry on all you like about your vegetable hiding skills and amazing ability to communicate with a three year old and wipe bums and find missing blankies and whatever it is you do.
Of course looking after young kids is hard. But lets face it, it’s not as if working parents don’t do all that stuff as well. They do everything the self-righteous “SAHM” mob do but they hold down a job ON TOP OF IT ALL. They just get on with it for god’s sake.
I really don’t care if women work or stay home with kids or do it all. Sometimes in moments of madness I even wish I could quit work and disappear into a mumsy role.
Why do “SAHM”s feel they have to justify themselve so militantly all the time? Working mums sure aren’t asking them to. Maybe they’re just too damn busy.
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Did you get out of bed on the wrong side this morning??
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I think the point is that you say SAHMs deal with their children 24/7 without a break whereas women that work outside the home deal with their children but only in the hours before and after work. So your “on top of it all” statement isn’t really accurate. You also say that SAHM are defensive and annoying – with people like you around I wonder why that is? Also, you say that working mums don’t feel they have to justify themselves because they are too busy, yet all the mums I know that work outside the home have some kind of break during the day that SAHM don’t have, also, how do you know that they aren’t complaining about their lot beside the water cooler, maybe SAHM just vent their thoughts over the internet in the 5 minute break they get while toddler is eating lunch and newborn is finally asleep after waking every two hours for the third night in a row. I’m yet to meet a SAHM who gets an allocated lunch break or even the chance to go to the toilet with the door closed. Your comments were harsh to SAHM who have made the decision for whatever reason to stay at home and look after their children instead of sending them to daycare, years ago this wasn’t a foreign concept. The writer feels she needs to justify her decision like many mothers, like those who feel they have to justify a caesarean, or why they can’t breastfeed, because she knows that as a mother you are constantly judged and your comment does exactly that. I can’t see why wanting to take a break from paid work to stay at home with your children is not given a higher regard in society.
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To the SAHM’s who go on about “I never get a free second to myself, I have NO Breaks, I wish I had a coffee break or a drive to work like a lucky working mum!”
If the day of a SAHM is so choc a bloc – how on earth are there so many millions of SAHM bloggers? Mummy bloggers are a massive industry – but wait a minute, I thought SAHMs didn’t have a second to themselves? How are they getting around to writing thoughtful daily blog posts? And administration? taking photos? replying to comments, etc?
Hey, I understand the pressure of feeling like you are around your kids all the time, and being jealous of the bit of ‘sanity’ time it looks like working mothers get – but you made your choice, own it, stop being a martyr and stop pretending your life is harder than other peoples.
Everyone’s life can be hard at times. But if your life is SO Hard that it is the hardest life in the world – you’re doing something wrong, and you should try and change it. Not just whinge about it.
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Agree! Some SAHM are on Facebook all the time, constantly commenting on things. So you get no time to do things do you? But you can constantly check FB?!? Whatever.
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I think the mummy blogging phenomenon and the fact that sites like this are over run by SAHMS is one of the contradictions about non-working mothers that others find most annoying.
If they are so busy and have so little time for themselves where do they find the time to write about their lives all the time? I sure don’t have time to manage a blog while working and looking after 3 kids. Not a chance.
And you can’t tell me that taking bub for a walk in the stroller or enjoying the sun in a park isn’t a break.
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But to be fair, lots of working people spend large amounts of time on facebook/blogs too..
Lots of people are hard workers, lots of people aren’t. Whether or not you’re a SAHM is not the reason for being hard working or not.
Further to that, lots of SAHMs will have kids who have a sleep around lunch time. Maybe this is when they log on to facebook. In most jobs, workers will get a lunch break too.
I understand your annoyance at people who whinge about what they have to do all day, but this also is not just something SAHMs do.
And further to that again.. some kids are a lot harder to look after than others. Not all SAHMs have the same lifestyle, the same parenting philosophy, the same type of partner (in terms of how supportive they), the same personality, and the same skills. Please stop lumping us all in to the same group, it’s seriously unhelpful.
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I half agree. Looking after kids full time can be pretty stressful and busy job, but let’s be honest, the ‘skills’ involved are pretty basic and can be picked up in no time. Coping with the monotony is the biggest skill.
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Counterpoint, I couldn’t agree more. I too find a lot of SAHM very annoying, note I didn’t say all, just the ones that carry on about doing laundry and playing with their kids like they are saving the world. Just who do you think does all the cooking, cleaning, ironing and grocery shopping in a working mother’s home? We all do this, it’s just that some of us have to work on top of it.
Also, I agree about all the blogging, it seems that every other SAHM has a blog these days. I don’t get this, and to be truthful I don’t get how anyone has the time to blog about every silly detail of their life, not just SAHM but working people too. Clearly anyone that does this must have a lot of time on their hands, which is okay, just spare me the story of how busy you are and can’t find the time to wash your hair and go to the toilet in peace. Surely you can see how one thing contradicts the other.
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Wow, all these comments are crazy. I’m not on these sort of forums very often at all, I prefer to steer clear of this sort of thing, because as a SAHM, I don’t have time for this – it has been a waste of 20 precious minutes while my 1 year old is having his afternoon nap, scrolling through all these comments. I am so glad I am at home with my baby, he is a joy and delight. He also is very active, loves getting up to mischeif, and to be honest, I would much prefer to run after him and pick up after him than go back to work. That is my choice, and I love the fact that so many of my WM friends are content with their decision to go back to work, just as I am with my decision to stay home…. And there is the cry… my wasted break is over, back to my little man now
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Extremley funny and well written- you should write a book
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Extremley funny and well written- you should write a book
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Extremley funny and well written- you should write a book
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You know you are reading something that is honest, intellegent, real and funny to its core when you finish and realize that you don’t have any children but somehow you feel connected to the realities that many women face on a daily basis.
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So glad it’s not just me. Whenever I’m speaking to a “working Mum” I feel the need to give them a verbal CV and slot in to the conversation that I’ve had my days of part-time/full time. Sadly, I then waffle on trying to justify my choice of now working from home. I get cross with myself every-time I do it.
Thanks for making me think about it.
Great piece Shankari.
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I was great at my job before kids, and once I had my first child I realised that raising them was the job I wanted to be good at, and for me the only way to do that was to not go back to work. I was lucky enough financially to be able to afford it – but on the other hand we went without holidays/new cars/flat screen tvs/restaurant food, bought baby and toddler clothes second hand, etc for the 10 years it took to finally get my youngest to pre-primary. I went back to part time work 4 years ago, but not in the profession I used to be in, as the hours do not fit in with school-aged kids. We still don’t take holidays very often, and only got a flat screen tv about 2 years ago, but I look at my 3 great kids and know it is all worth it. If I had gone back to work for that 10 years, I wouldn’t have felt as though I was doing either job properly.
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Oh, and this is exactly what I put in my CV for those “missing years”:
: “Home manager/full time mum
Excellent organisational skills, communication skills and the ability to multi task. Development of Saint-like patience, last minute costume-making skills, and gluemanship.”
With a bit of luck the people who have employed me read this and actually got a bit of a laugh, and maybe it made my resume stand out amongst the stodgy, strictly professionalistic CV’s out there.
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“Gluemanship” – LOVE it!
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i loved this post! another great one from shankari!
i am a SAHM and i love it. i know it is a privilege but as i said in reply to another post, my husband couldn’t not work the hours he does if he had to help with school pick-ups, days off with sick kids and all the other jobs that have to get done during the day. you can outsource some things but not everything.
i have had a few narky comments but i mostly put it down to their guilt. i have friends that clearly cannot cope with being at home with their kids, they say it enough.
i have one friend who always tells me how it is really important for her to have some time out because she works. as opposed to me who lounges by the pool all day, cocktail in hand while the kids play quietly (and neatly) in the corner. i think all mums need time out, not only those in paid employment.
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i have loved being a SAHM. i feel so lucky and privileged to have been able to be home with my son fulltime for the first year of his life.
of course some days and nights its hard and full on, same as anything, but overall it has been wonderful. im about to go back to work part time after a year mat leave and i am dreading it and still torn about it.
it always makes me a bit sad how harshly we judge each other for the decisions we make as parents. dont we all judge and guilt trip ourselves enough already!? parents are so lucky to have these beautiful little people in our lives who call us mum and dad, and there is absolutely no one-size-fits-all approach when it comes to parenting. why is that so hard to accept?
as long as the kids are happy,cared for and loved, then i say you are doing an amazing job as a parent, regardless of if you work or not!!
i love your writing Shankari
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Thanks for a great post.
I am resigning from part time work tomorrow & will not be doing paid work next year.
My son has autism and requires intensive therapies which we aim to try in a mainstream prep class.
Even part time work was proving too difficult so I am facing not doing paid work for the first time on about 18 years. Facing a real identity crisis as I value my career and feel a real loss of the only part if my life that felt mine.
SAHM love their children/families but society makes at home work much less valued than paid work, making it harder for women (or dads) to feel respected as contributing to society.
A therapist we see also pointed out that with paid work you have defined hours (even if they are long). Parenting, especially for f/t at home workers is a 24 hr job.
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I guess I should be extremely relieved. That I don’t feel too much of a need to justify our choices.
I’ve assumed most people I’ve had these conversations with are like me – simply curious about others choices? I don’t expect them to be robotic or 100% politically correct in their dialogue.
Building a bridge between a thoughtless comment here or simple enquiry there and my choices would send me to the nut house!
In the 4+ years I’ve been a parent I can only remember perhaps two comments I found blatantly moralising or judging on this issue?
I’m always asking others these sorts of questions because I am always looking for different ways for us to manage the needs our family. Some families are so creative in their approach!
But after reading these comments, it’s highly likely I’ve probably hurt or offended many…… when it was just ‘research’ to me …… eeeeek!
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Thanks Shankari for the post! How totally gorgeous is Prima! Dont ever let her change. I cant think of any greater validation than receiving Kudos from child. I don’t think there is a blogger out there like you Shankari – I second that comment about a book to go with that blog of yours. Keep these posts coming Mammamia, you’ve got a winner in this SAHM.
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Witty and honest as usual! Having been in both camps at various times it seems that some days you can take the perceived jibes on the chin ( whilst smiling and muttering expletives in your mind) and other days they hit a raw nerve. As this dilemma ( to work or not to work) tends to still apply mainly to women, we should remember that we are are own worst enemies. A group of mummies at school are in a book club and our spouses a film club. A friend was musing on our group characteristics the other day and her husband seemed to sum it up perfectly. We women (it’s a generalisation, I admit it, don’t bother writing in) compare ourselves to the others and feel there is at least one person in the group who is so much cleverer/prettier/sexier/wittier/more successful etc so beat ourselves up about it. The men find someone who is less successful/intelligent/ good-looking etc and feel good about themselves. Obviously we don’t all conform to this,all of the time, but there is something to be said for it. So why don’t we just give each other a break and get on with things as best we can. Oh yeah, and don’t bother with the what ifs ( I think I’ve got most of the pop psychology in there now).
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Thank you Roberta, that comparison problem is one to think about. I have one girl and three boys. I can see it starting early and pondering how to stem it with my daughter for her own long term good.
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So familiar! Loved this article.
I used to work Tues, Wed and Thursday. One weekend had a public holiday – so three day weekend. I chatted to my full time colleague about what she had planned and then she asked me in return adding “Oh, I suppose it’s no different to you — you have a long weekend every week”.
I just hate these types of remarks. People love to sink the boot in whenever they can. It’s not like I ever asked her why she was married for so long and never had kids. I’m glad I have manners.
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Are u sure she meant it in a negative way? I would have said that out of jealousy or even trying to make conversation without meaning to be rude.
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Ooh comments like that tick me off so much!! I work 2 days a week and am home with my autistic son the majority of the week and I have a colleague who tells me every “working” day how lucky I am to be able to stay home and “just do whatever you want and relax”. She then goes on to whine about how tired she is and how much she’d like to “just work a bit” like I do. She has absolutely no idea how insensitive this is even though she’s heard the massive amount of therapies and work involved in my “days off”. I don’t want pity as I am happy with my lot and with the choices we’ve made as a family but this is just so rude and ignorant. Rant over, thanks
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She probably doesn’t even realise that your work days are probably your time out days, compared to what you have to do at home. x
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You need to remember, when people say things to you, they aren’t aware of the thought processes and insecurities in your head.
She was probably just making a flippant comment, like “hey, today’s thursday!”, she was probably not having a go at you.
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Shankari, your writing is AWESOME. I hope you stay home too so you can keep writing posts for MM.
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As always, brilliantly insightful and funny. As the stay at home parent in our house I have come to accept that unquestioning affection is reserved for working parents because of their scarcity value. If you are the stay at home parent and your child isn’t indifferent to you, you probably need to spend more time with them. Take it as a compliment!
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please don’t make this generalisation. working parents don’t need more guilt.
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I have to admit I feel this, as a SAHM. If you see my husband and I out with my daughter on the weekends, she’s a Daddy’s girl – I’ve jokingly renamed Saturday “Dadda-day”. I keep telling myself it’s because Daddy time is special, whereas Mum’s “always there”. I’m thinking one way around this is to make sure there are special times with her at home, as distinct from the mundane ‘eat your lunch / nappy change time (when do you want to try the potty?) / tidy up!’, but we’ll see. Might also be interesting what happens when we both go away for the weekend for the first time this weekend, leaving her with grandparents, going to a family wedding.
And I really don’t mean this to pile on the guilt. As I see it, children fawning over a parent they see less, and taking a SAHM/D for granted, are just two different ways of demonstrating the enormous amount of love and trust they feel towards you.
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I just feel you don’t have to explain yourself to anyone……everyone makes their own choices…..
Nothing else matters because your kids are so happy that you are there for them and you are doing such a great job…..
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I agree, Reema. I think there’s a whole culture around this, and it’s needless. Things like that stupid book that Sarah Jessica Parker’s turned into a movie and is here spruiking at the moment. That right there is a perfect summation – woman working to maintain standards to keep up with the Joneses. Why waste time worrying about whether you’re the same as everyone else? If you’re not happy what is the point? Change things so you are.
I’ve applied for Uni for next year, so my daughter will be almost 1 when that starts (assuming I get in). I feel no guilt for anything I have decided to do, because it’s right for me and it’s right for her. Middle class sanctimommies (the Americanism fits better than mummy) can jam it.
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That book kind of bugged me. All her complaining and moaning and groaning throughout the whole novel. If you home life is suffering because you want to keep up with the joneses give it up and spend some time at home. Simple.
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I read it because it was on here as a book club. Friggen hated it. If you don’t like something, I don’t mind if you complain about it, but FFS change it if it’s in your power to. If you keep complaining about it? Don’t talk to me about it anymore.
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Agree 100%
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You write so well, honest and self-deprecating! Just on a side note, I’d love to read a post about what kind of work you did as a social justice lawyer? Was it more advocacy kind of work or policy/government-y type stuff?
I’ve just finishing up my second last year of law and communications, doing a Big Glass Tower clerkship this summer but have spent all my unpaid work opportunities working in a community legal centre and charity communications. Fingers in too many pies, not sure what I want to do and definitely concerned about work/life balance…!
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Hi Gemma, i did the Glass Tower Clerkship and the Glass Tower (M&A) job and then ran a global social justice programme for the Glass Tower firm. The last ten years doing this gave me the perfect combination of voluntary sector aspirations with private sector resources which I loved. It’s not for every one but I loved almost every day of my job whilst also constantly feeling like I was never getting the balance right! And God did I love coming home to my babies.
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Thanks for your insight! That’s sounds like a great combination, I was doing communication for a children’s charity and so many Glass Towers gave solid support to various programs and I definitely thought I’d like to be involved in that.
I guess being so young means that you have to work up to that privilege first, lawyering it up in areas where you might not necessarily be as passionate….!
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AWESOME. That’s the validation and insight into (stay at home) motherhood I’ve been looking for. And funny too! Thank you thank you.
Whenever my husband’s family asks me if I’m back at work yet I just say “Ive never stopped. Being a SAHM IS A JOB.” Deeply rewarding yes, but it is work.
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See, this is another case of miscommunication.
They are probably just asking for information – as conversation.
You are mixing up their message in your head with all your insecurities and personal thoughts – and turning it into an attack on yourself.
They don’t know what is going on in your head. They aren’t saying raising kids is a waste of time. They might just be curious, or they might just be trying to fill the conversation.
Especially if you have never said you are NEVER going back to work, they probably think it is a normal conversation piece. E.g. like if someone is studying at uni, you might often ask – have you finished studying yet?
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Part of this whole culture, Kate – it plays on people (usually women) saying that someone is judging them based on a tiny little comment. Maybe instead of jumping to the “that bitch is judging me” conclusion, learn how to be assertive and answer honestly rather than getting all het up and passive aggressive. Drives me bonkers when someone says “They said this, but they really meant this, I could tell”. Bullshit. You put whatever meaning on it yourself, and are complicit in the perceived putting down by going along with it.
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