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Nicky at 19 weeks pregnant

By LUCY ORMONDE

Nicky Lavigne always thought she’d be married with kids by the time she reached 40. In reality however, on her 40th birthday she found herself divorced, single and childless and desperate to become a mother.

A woman’s fertility declines after the age of 32. By the age of 40, it’s fallen by half.  Waiting for the father of your future children to come into your life is no longer an option.

Nicky realised she had a choice to make. She could continue to wait for a relationship that may or may not lead to children. Or she could look into becoming a single mother through treatments like IVF and intrauterine insemination.

It took Nicky five years of fertility treatments and donor sperm to get nowhere. Until this year.

Now she’s 45 and 19 weeks pregnant. With twins.

Nicky is one of a growing number of women who are being labelled as ‘socially infertile’ by the IVF industry. They’re women in their late 30s and early 40s who are using donor sperm and fertility treatment to become mothers. Some, of course, are also medically infertile; their eggs are no longer viable, as was the case with Nicky.

According to recent reports, the number of single women using sperm donors to get pregnant has increased by as much as 10 per cent in the past three years.

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Although lesbian couples account for some of the increase, doctors say the real growth is among older single heterosexual women.

The demand has been particularly pronounced in Victoria, where until 2010 it was illegal for single women to do IVF if they weren’t medically infertile. Monash IVF has performed IVF cycles for 463 single women with an average age of 38 since the law changed, while 169 same-sex female couples have undergone the process.

”We’re seeing more and more of these ladies. Women who can’t find Mr Right but still want a child realise this is an option for them,” the deputy president of the Fertility Society of Australia, Michael Chapman, said. ”It’s become almost normal to be a single mum. So when these women get to 38, 39, they go to donor sperm and do assisted reproduction.’

We spoke to Nicky Lavigne about the decision to become a single parent, the process of finally falling pregnant through IVF and what she will tell her children when they ask where they come from.

MM: At what point did you realise this was the path you were going to go down?

NL: By 40 I had always thought I would be married with a couple of kids but in the real world, I was actually divorced, single and childless. Everyone I had ever come into contact with knew how much I wanted children, so a girlfriend suggested I look into using a sperm donor. I shot this down fast because it wasn’t part of my “dream life”. However, the more I thought about it, the more I realised my “fertility window” was closing and I needed to do something fast, so I started looking into what using a sperm donor involved.

MM: What were the options that were available to you? What have you tried – and how did you end up where you are?

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Nicky at 13 weeks pregnant

NL: I was living in the US at the time, so my options were greater than in Australia. They have no restrictions on how many families one sperm donor can have, whether they have to be known or can remain anonymous AND the guy is paid really well…in all cryobanks in the US.

Choosing a sperm donor was like internet dating. Hundreds of profiles to consider. So. Many. Choices. Height, body shape, hair color, eye color, skin color, religion. Whether he wanted to remain unknown or not (if not, when the child turns 18, he/she can contact the biological father).

I chose a fertility doctor and a donor and figured I’d be pregnant within a year. But how wrong was I…

I had 7 IUI (Intrauterine insemination) cycles. This pretty much involves sperm and a catheter and simulates intercourse… if for you intercourse involves the guy getting off, then rolling over and going to sleep! All were unsuccessful and was told the next step would be IVF.

I was already thinking of moving back to Sydney and decided I’d wait to start with a new doctor there.

Here, my sperm donor options were narrowed down to FIVE. They were from a bank in the States. There is no donor program in Australia. the guys do it altruistically AND they have to be known, so there are almost none. Ever since the law came in to end anonymity for sperm donors (their details are automatically given to the child when he or she reached 18), men just stopped donating.  It’s different in the US because anonymity still applies. I chose one from the US and had enough vials shipped so that I (hopefully) wouldn’t have to go through the process again. It’s not cheap.

IVF is grueling…it sends you on an emotional roller coaster. You have to be strong to endure even one cycle. I did seven and never even got one pregnancy. My fertility doctor has an affiliate in Athens (Greece) where he sends patients when they need an egg donor. There is no equivalent service like that in Australia – it’s illegal to buy or sell eggs here. If you need them, you have to find a donor who will do it for free. And since it’s a highly invasive procedure -soo different from donating sperm!- it’s almost impossible for a woman to source donor eggs. So most women who have no eggs have to go overseas. My doctor had been telling me about this and, like when I first heard about sperm donors, my first reaction was NO. I wanted my baby to come from MY egg.

Window nearly shut…

So I started looking into this and decided if I could at least carry the baby, it would still be my pregnancy.

So…off I went to Athens five months ago and now I’m 18 weeks pregnant!!!

MM: Was the decision to become a single parent a difficult one?

NL: Yes, very and while I can’t speak for every woman, I think a lot will agree when I say we all have that “dream life” embedded in our subconscious… Mr Right wanting to spend the rest of his life with you, kids and a family pet. When my marriage ended in my mid 30s, I figured I still had time for another relationship and babies. I did – I spent three years with a guy who was a couple of years younger than me and kept telling me he wasn’t ready for kids. I should have listened.

That ended and after a couple more short-lived flings and a rocky on-again-off-again love affair, I found myself single and 40.

I do know that being a single Mum isn’t going to be as easy as it would if I had a partner, but it’s better for the kids than being brought up by two parents who, for example, aren’t happy together, or one is abusive, or just leaves and never returns.

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Nicky at 19 weeks pregnant

MM: What led you to this point? 

I’m here because I knew I didn’t want to go through my life without having kids. I was determined to be a Mum. I can have a relationship with a man in five years, but my fertility window will have closed by then and I would still have many many years to live… childless. That, to me, was not an option I could come to terms with.

MM:  You’re using a sperm and an egg donor. What’s the process like to choose donors for each?

NL: Both egg and sperm donors in Australia are like finding a needle in a haystack. Many other countries have funded programs for both. Egg donors are paid a lot of money because it’s a very involved process and sperm donors are paid well also (for doing something not so terrible). But not here. Here they have to be altruistic AND KNOWN, UNDER 35 years old and have finished her family which is a big call for anyone.

Women advertise in magazines like Sydney’s Child or online for egg donors. I’m not sure what the success rate is, but I don’t think it’s high.

My egg and sperm donors came from the clinic in Athens.  (But are anonymous. Using anonymous donors makes the process easier in my opinion.)

MM: The IVF industry has labelled women who, like yourself, are in their 30s or 40s and making the steps to be single parents as ‘socially infertile.’ What do you think of that term?

NL: I think it’s demeaning to those women who are genuinely infertile whether they have a male partner or not. The person who coined this phrase obviously has never had a a problem with fertility, either personally or someone close to them. The word infertility to a woman who IS truly infertile, means it doesn’t matter whether she has a male partner or not… she CANNOT GET PREGNANT.

Now, I have NO problem with women using donor sperm to get pregnant. Hell, I was one of the 40 year olds who realized my fertility window was closing and made the decision my dream of having a loving partner who wanted me to be his Baby Mumma was not happening.

MM: When your kids grow up and they ask you where they came from, what will you tell them?

NL: I’m going to tell my kids how much they were wanted and what lengths I went to to have them. I have a father, two brothers and many male friends in my life, so there will be no shortage of testosterone or people to answer “boy” questions.

MM: If your children ever ask where their dad is, how would you respond?

I’ll tell them the truth…I don’t know who he was, but he did a good thing and look at the results

MM: What have the reactions been like when you tell people what you’re doing?

NL: Most people are very supportive. They know what I’ve been through to get to this place and realize it hasn’t been easy.

There are also people who love to criticize, but they’re only ever online and I’m sure would never have the guts to say something to my face. They say things like I’m too old to become a first time Mum, that if I can’t have a baby the natural way that it’s obvious the universe didn’t want me to have children, or that I’m going to emotionally damage my kids because they’ll never know their biological father and EVERY child needs to know that.

To those people…I say  mind your own business.

You can read more about Nicky’s journey on her blog here. Nicky recently appeared on Channel 10′s The Project to talk about her story and the idea of ‘social infertility.’ You can watch that story here.

What lengths would you go to to become a parent? If you knew your time to become a mother was running out, what would you do?  Would you try IVF?

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216 Comments so far

  1. Lil

    Nicky I feel sad for you that so many readers are being judgemental about your fundamental right to become a mother. Thank you for sharing your story and inspiring others to follow their dreams. You are a brave and courageous woman who is entitled to the same opportunities as everyone else. I know your boys will be surrounded by love and strong role models xxx

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    • Anonymous

      Her right to be a parent? Being a parent isn’t a fundamental right, if it was, everyone who wanted to be one, would. What about a woman who wants to be a mother at 80? Is that her ‘right’ too? At some point there has to be a cutoff, whether it’s due to nature or circumstance or the health of all involved. Personally I think 46 is too old, for me definitely and there is the added concern for these children that as the sole carer, if something should happen to their mother, financially, health wise or otherwise, this situation could turn dire very very quickly.

      Yes, there are no guarantees with a traditional family model either but at the very least you’re starting out in front, if one parent becomes ill, unemployed, or god help us, passes away, the other parent can step in. Even children from broken homes have a father and the support of another income. These children have men in their lives but occasionally seeing Uncle Mike is in no way a replacement for an actual father. Especially for sons. If you disagree, imagine that your mother never existed. Do you think that would have an impact on you growing up?

      The thing is, everybody knows this, which is why people try to do it via relationships first. Because Nicky is already on this path, I wish her the very best for her and her kids. But do I think it’s the right way to go? No way. That’s not me being judgemental, that’s me answering the question asked at the bottom of the article. (Nicky, wait till you actually have kids, you’ll get judged no matter what you do.)

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  2. Mamamia fan

    At 28, life experience has taught me so far to not judge unless I am walking in someone else’s shoes. So while I will not pass judgement on Nickys decision, I feel the need to discuss my experience with children who grow up with identity issues.

    Having worked in the government child protection field for over 5 years, I have had the unfortunate experience of meeting many children who have been taken from their homes for safety reasons and placed with foster parents.

    The first and foremost task for all workers working with children placed outside their biological home is to ensure a strong sense of identity. All the children I have worked with value their biological family and identity greatly, and our best foster carers are the ones not threatened by this and work the childrens biological identities with the ones they are sharing as part of another family.

    History, particularly with Aboriginal families and child migrants, has taught us that identity is an integral part of a child’s make up and when missing, can cause great unhappiness, confusion and a sense of not belonging.

    I am concerned for Nicky’s children as their biological identity is virtually non existent. The reason Australian laws, thankfully, wont allow anonymous donors is in part related to the historical injustice of children being raised without the knowlegde of their heritage and identity.

    Closed adoption and anonymous donors have been found to damage children more than it benefits them. Hence the societal changes to ensure this doesn’t happen to our children anymore.

    While I recognise Nicky wanting to have children, as parents we need to put the needs of our children ahead of our own. While this path may be more difficult in Australia, I strongely believe this is the case so that our children have the best opportunities to know where they come from.

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    • jb expat

      This simply is not true. There have been numerous studies that show that the feelings of adopted children differ from those conceived via donor egg and/or sperm. One can speculate as to why, but whatever “the why” this is indeed the case. And without reading up on foster children, I am certain that there are MAJOR differences in the feelings of the children.

      As a 46 year old mother of an egg donor baby conceived with my husband’s sperm, I have done tons and tons of research on this. My research has shown that there is a factor that relates to donor conceived children’s future happiness and that is HONESTY about their biological history.

      We did our donor cycle (same donor for both children – I call my currently pregnancy [insert son's name]‘s frozen twin) in the US for all of the reasons mentioned. I have made attempts to ensure that should my children want to know more about their egg donor, the door is somewhat open. Given that this isn’t mandatory in the US, all I can do is do the best I can to provide this opportunity. But I have lots of info on our donor and have saved it for my children.

      There’s also a thing called epigenetics, by carrying her babies, Nicky is making a biological imprint on her children that is unique to her. I reluctantly raise this as I do not believe that biology makes a family but the desire, love, respect, and middle of the night comforting and cuddles…and so much more make a family.

      Being from NYC, I know a number of 40-something single women who have chosen to become single parents. They have children that I think are some of the most wanted children on this planet…and that goes a very long way in ensuring a wonderful childhood.

      So Nicky – congratulations!

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      • Mamamia fan

        Please re read my post as Ithink you have missed my point.

        Im not sure of where your research is coming from, however my comment is based on formation of legislation, international and domestic research as well as my own experience.

        To say identity issues “are justnot true” is dangerous and greatly ill informed.

        Each child, no matter how or where they come from have a human right to know their heritage.

        My post was not an attack on how Nicky has become a mother.

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    • Ladybug

      Mamamia fan, I respect your viewpoint. However, the children you are in contact with I assume are from very dysfunctional families to start with. To me this would be the cause of most of their issues, not stemming from ‘identity’.

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  3. Random question, but is Nicky Jason’s (Mia’s husband) sister?

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    • Anonymous

      Yes she is

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    • Mia

      yep!

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      • Well then, what is the problem with all the naysayers about Nicky having a baby on her own?

        I don’t know anything about Jason or Nicky, but somehow I feel like I know Mia well from this site and Mia seems quite family oriented and all that big family love stuff.

        It’s not exactly like Nicky is a single woman with no relatives around at all, completely alone in the world, having her first babies. Sheesh.

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  4. Just wondering

    Question for MM… you asked:
    ‘If your children ever ask where their dad is, how would you respond?’

    I understand that Nicky will be their mum legally (through birth) and as the sole caregiver, however, as the egg also was donated like the sperm, why didn’t you also ask:
    ‘If your children ever ask where their biological mum is, how would you respond?’

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    • nicks02

      *I* will tell them the same thing as I tell them about their sperm donor.

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  5. Anonymous

    I had my first child at 22 and my surprise bub at 42. With my last baby i have found that being older is an advantage, not a disadvantage. I was a very good mother to my older children but I’m a much better mother to my youngest.

    I knew how quickly time passes. I knew that the early years would be gone in the blink of an eye and I immersed myself in my baby and soaked up every bit of joy and love and magic.

    I’m not at all concerned about Nicky’s age.

    As much as they worry me and drive me to madness and poverty, I would never have wanted to miss out on motherhood. Take the house and job and holidays away and I wouldn’t care as long as I had my children.

    Ladies, take note of Nicki’s story. If you want something bad then go out and get it!

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    • anon

      It was an advantqage for you at 42 because you knew what was coming, and you are also much more relaxed with babies after the first one. That’s a world away from a first time mother of twins who has no idea what she’s in for.

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      • jb expat

        That’s just ridiculous – now it’s not that she’s too old but too inexperienced for her age? And what is the cut-off of age/experience in your book and why? Is 38 but a first time mother of twins too old/inexperienced? What about 40 as a first time mother of a singleton? I think the first Anonymous raises some good points…there are advantages (and disadvantages) that come with being an older mother…just as there are advantages (and disadvantages) of being a younger mother. Most people who have done what Nicky has done to have a family have thought long and hard about all of this – way more than your average young mother – I have no doubt she has made a fully informed decision.

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      • Anonymous

        Thank you so much for telling me why I was a better mother, mystic know-it-all.

        Actually that isn’t right at all. Relaxed didn’t enter the equation. I had a house full of older teens and a marriage on the rocks. My husband left because he didn’t want the baby. I then had confused and angry sons to keep on the rails, kids to push through uni, no money, no job and a baby. I was not relaxed. I was a tiny bit stressed.

        I was/am a better mother because I know how precious they are and how quickly they grow. I was a better mother because of my life experiences. More patient … More everything.

        I’m a single older mother. My child is wonderful and stable because i am totally committed to her – no dysfunctional father who made my life harder with the older children. She hasn’t been dragged back and forth, disrupted or damaged.

        Niki will be tired and stressed but she’ll be just fine. And so will her babies.

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        • Anonymous

          Love this comment.

          Good on you

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  6. Laura

    Interesting to note down below that Nicky advises us in a post that no doctor has ever advised her that she is too old to have a baby at nearly 46. I find that quite odd as every one of my childless girlfriends once they hit 36 and had check ups, everyone of their doctors advised them to think about what they wanted top do re: procreating and to get onto it asap. I find it odd that Nicky is ten years their senior and her advanced age was never an issue.

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    • jb expat

      Advanced age (40 plus) is an issue because of one’s eggs. As long as you menstruate, you can carry a baby (and I think even beyond menstruation although I’m not sure what is involved in terms of drugs needed to create the right environment for implantation). Your friends’ doctors are telling them (correctly) that it is an issue because of their eggs.

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  7. Sarah HK

    As a 35 year old single mother (by happy accident) I can honestly say that my son is loved, happy, intelligent and has a large stable family network so that he will grow up knowing he is not alone. I thank God every single day that I don’t have to endure the financial and emotional turmoil of IVF to be able to have a child. I find it interesting that older single mothers are “selfish”, but those who bring children into abusive relationships are not branded the same.
    It is also a sign of changing times that when I told my traditional Catholic parents that I was pregnant, their response was “oh, that’s good”. If I can be half as good a parent as they were to me, I will consider myself a resounding success as a mother!

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    • Robyn

      I am one of the ones that branded older mums selfish. In no way am I saying those who bring children into situations where they can be abused or witness abuse not selfish, they are, they are also stupid, thoughtless and cruel and I would advocate an older, stable mum over them any day. But just because there are many things worse, does not make older parents the ideal.

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      • Jess

        I don’t understand what you mean by this comment. Are you saying that only those women who wanted to have a career and travel the world before babies are selfish or are you referring to any woman who didn’t have children young regardless of her circumastances?

        What about those women who weren’t lucky enough to meet someone they wanted to have babies with in their early 20s? Are they selfish? Should they have just gotten pregnant to some random guy down the street so they don’t end up childless at 40?

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        • Robyn

          I am saying regardless of circumstances, I believe it is selfish. I explain why in a reply post below but basically it is putting the need to be a parent above the implications for a child in future years who has an older parent. There are two sides to everything and I do try to understand both sides but when it comes to kids, my empathies generally favour the kids over the parents, they are usually the ones with no say in the matter.

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          • jo

            Doesn’t everyone have babies for selfish reasons? WE want to create families, see ourselves on our progeny. Isn’t that selfish. Really I think the selfish argument is ridiculous.

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          • irnea

            And what of the opposite Robyn? My circumstances: my parents started early. They had my brother as teens then me in their early 20s.

            Did they have an education? No (but uni was free – yes FREE – in the 1970s). Career paths? No. Were they emotionally ready? No. Financially? No. Did they own a home? No. Did they have family support in going down that path? No.

            Did they split up? Yes. Did I live in many, many rental homes in my childhood? Yes. Did my mother end up cleaning my school friends’ parent’s homes for money? Yes. Did we worry week to week about paying bills, school fees and buying food? Yes. Did we have a car? No. Did my father support us financially? No, except briefly via the court system. Do I still see my father or his family? No. Is he now an alcoholic? Yes. Did we have to go through our teenage years at the same time my other experienced a delayed adolescence and rebellion? Yes. We were in years 11 & 12 at that time – very rough to live through this. Did my mother ever catch up and get a career? No. Did she ever buy property, save or re-partner? No. Is she socially and financially dependent on me? Yes.

            She is in her mid 50s. I am in my early 30s. Think about that. There is such a thing as too young, and hasn’t lived enough of their own lives. You can start too early. Most early to mid 20 somethings, generally, are not ready. A very young parent can be a disaster or a burden.

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            • Faybian

              So because of your negative experiences growing up you’re going to tar every young parent negatively. Thanks a lot.
              Was I a teen when I started having kids? Yes.
              Did my relationship with their father break up? Yes.
              Did he take part in their lives subsequently? No
              Was that a bad thing? No
              Did he contribute financially? No
              Were we broke? Yes, until I finished uni.
              Did we move a lot? No, once to Qld and then to our (mortgaged) home 15 years ago.
              Do we keep in contact with my ex’s family? Yes, his family are lovely.
              Did my kids have a male role model? Yes, my husband of 16 years.

              I could go on, but see how different my life has turned out and my kids, from yours.
              BTW, older parents can be just as bigger f*&k ups.

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            • irnea

              Faybian I have to reply to myself as there isn’t a reply button to yours.

              “going to tar every young parent negatively” ?! Um – no!! Mine was my * personal * example. Could not have made it clearer.

              I cannot comment on your circumstances or your children, as I don’t know you. However, from what you have said, your children appear fortunate.

              Also, I said: ‘Most’ not ‘All’ in regards to young parents.

              I agree with you that any (although you said ‘older’) parents can be just as big f*&k ups. And that was my point! I was responding to Robyn who made it all about older parents. She says older parents are not the ideal. I think either end of the spectrum is not ideal. There are challenges at either extreme.

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            • Faybian

              Hi Irnea, it would seem that you still think the majority of young parents aren’t any or much good at it. I work with parents of all ages and while there can definitely be problems, it’snot in the majority.

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            • Robyn

              I agree that either end of the spectrum is not the ideal but this topic/article etc is focussed on the older end of the spectrum so I kept my comments to that.

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      • Sarah HK

        But what is the ideal? Two parents? Opposite sexes? Aged between 25-28? Stable incomes? Home owners? Highly educated parents? Private education? Holidays abroad?
        Where do you draw the line? And what happens if somewhere down the line one or more of these things changes?
        I think an ideal situation is one in which a child is welcomed, loved and nurtured. Like in Nicky’s case.

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        • Ladybug

          Agree with you Sarah HK. The only ideals are that the child/ren are wanted, loved and provided for.

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  8. Laws for Clouds

    I have a question: if one or both of your children needs full time special needs care, how will you cope as a single parent?

    I realise this is a relevant question for ANY parent, but it seems even more relevant for a single one for obvious reasons. Is this an issue brought up in counselling? Is there mandatory counselling?

    I wish you all the best, enjoy your pregnancy and children xx

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    • nicks02

      I have scans every fortnight. So far the babies are developing perfectly. Their brains and other organs are all very normal. If, by some unfortunate circumstance, something happens, I will deal with it at the time.

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      • Laws for Clouds

        It must be lovely having fortnightly scans! I’m sure everything will be fine, I was just wondering if it was something you’d had to talk about in counselling if you had to go.

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    • Anonymous

      Laws, the sad fact is that many mothers of children with special needs end up single anyway.

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    • splasher

      IS there mandatory counselling for people in Nicky’s situation? I’m not saying that in a judgemental way, just curious. There’s no denying there are some extenuating circumstances which would bring additional stress to the process.

      I would think that counselling would be beneficial… This is true for anyone becoming a parent, but particularly for IVF/older/single parents.

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      • anonymous

        In WA you are required to have at least one counselling session before you are put on the waiting list for a donor … no counselling, no donor

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  9. Anonymous

    I think Nicky has been put in a pretty tricky situation. I don’t know what’s harder, the thought of being childless or raising twins at 45 as a single mum. I’m so happy for her that she’s got her wish, children are the greatest blessing but I don’t envy her path in going it alone, and hope she has a solid support network. I had my first at 37, the traditional way and knowing what I know with just one baby, and a supportive husband, I have to say I wouldn’t do what Nicky is doing. I also realise I come from a position of privilege in that regard where I’m not forced to make that decision, so there’s that. All the best, Nicky.

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  10. Anonymous

    Hi Nicky
    How old are you ? Just wondering as I recall reading an article on this site close to 2 years ago and you were 45 then. Would this mean you would be close to 47 when this child is born ?

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    • nicks02

      As the article states, I’m 45. I will have just turned 46 when the babies are born. Do you have a problem with this???

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      • Anonymous

        Indeed I do. In my opinion ( sorry if this offends ) but I feel yes it is too old to be having babies and especially as a single parent. Our bodies at nearly 46 are preparing themselves for menopause. Good luck to you, but in my opinion , I feel it is too old.

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        • Oh, For The Love of Mike

          And the cut-off age for parenting would be ….. when exactly?

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        • Faybian

          Did you realise that as we approach menopause there is a small jump in fertility, as the body sometimes ovulates more than one egg at a time. Almost a last bid to reproduce, so to speak.
          I’ve seen a few women in their mid to late 40s have babies, with quite a number of them naturally.. The “surprise” babies.
          I’m nearly 45 and my body is showing no signs of “preparing for menopause” yet.

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      • Jess

        Nicky, it doesn’t really matter if anyone has a problem with your age, does it, but I’d be lying if I said I was comfortable with it. There is just something about having a baby at an age where you are so close to menopause that makes me feel very uneasy, but I understand you didn’t have any other choice.

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        • Anonymous

          but there is a choice in starting down this path a bit sooner ?

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  11. Sonya

    Congrats Nicky – and thanks for sharing.

    I’m facing a similar dilemma – at 36 I ended a long term relationship 6 months ago when he finally was honest and said he didn’t want kids. I’m single and want to be a Mum, so I am considering these options as well. I know I may still have time to meet Mr Right, but I don’t want that added pressure of seeing every potential date as Mr Dad. You have given me inspiration and food for thought – so thank you.

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  12. sparkie

    I think if I hadn’t found the right partner by my mid-late thirties i would look into this method. Of course, it’s hard thinking about now, seeing as i’m only 22 and single, i have a long time before I have to worry about any of this. But I’ve always wanted children. I don’t think i’d want to have my first child at 45 though, that seems too old to me (personally).
    But Nicky, these babies are obviously long yearned for, i’m happy for you

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  13. S/B

    I despise the term “socially infertile”.

    Being single doesn’t mean you’re infertile, it means you’re single, the two are not directly related.

    I AM infertile. I have 12 years & the term habitual aborter attached to my name to show that. I would still be infertile whether I was single or married (I am the latter).

    As someone who IS genuinely infertile, the term socially infertile demeans mine and thousands of other women and our struggles to either fall pregnant or carry a baby.

    Being single is NOT a medical condition, while infertility IS a medical condition. Let’s not get the two mixed up or try and lump them into the same category.

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    • Essen

      Isn’t the end result the same, though? You both desperately want babies and can’t have them?

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      • S/B

        No it’s not because the single person could go and find someone and have a baby. Their so called “infertility” has a cure, mine does not.

        It’s not the same at all.

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  14. Snap!!

    Congratulations Nicky,clearly your babies will be much loved by you & your extended family. I however don’t agree with you regarding the laws here in Australia with regard to anonymity & being paid to be a donor. Firstly I believe a child has a right to know his or hers genetic history & at least have the option of perhaps meeting their biological parent. Secondly I don’t like the idea of donating becoming a financial transaction, this leaves the process wide open for corruption & exploitation as is happening in India at the moment. I know the result of these laws means that there are reduced numbers of donors but I think ultimately it’s for the best.

    Good luck Nicky I wish you all the best.

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  15. Anonymous

    This makes me uncomfortable. I dont think having children at 45 is a wise choice. Why could she not foster one of the thousands of children needing a loving parent?

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    • nicks02

      Fostering is temporary. While I can still have my own baby, I wanted to do that

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    • S/B

      Why does NOBODY ever say this to fertile people? Why don’t fertile people foster one of the thousands of children that need a loving parent? Why don’t fertile people adopt a child in need instead of having their own?

      The reality is, foster children can need a lot of care, a lot of them come from homes that have caused them no end of damage both physically and mentally/emotionally. If fertile people aren’t expected to “be grateful” for just being able to parent a child, any child, why should infertile people?

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      • cim

        When so many foster carers are need in Australia, I am disappointed you would perpetuate this view. It is equivalent to saying there is something wrong or defective with these children. Many children in the fostering program are just victims of unfortunate circumstances. It is uninformed comments such as these that damage the public perception and put eligible carers off enquiring and applying. I would hope that people – whether single or not, young or not, straight or not would consider fostering. It us a conversation that doesn’t happen often enough.

        It is like when people say the many loving pets available in shelters are flea bitten, have issues, are unsociable and untrainable, when it is in fact quite the opposite. That kind of rumour helps puppy farms and pet stores (who mostly buy from puppy farms).

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        • S/B

          I know of many who are foster parents and all but one child has an issue of some kind. I am not saying that it is the childs fault because of course it’s not but the fact remains that a lot of foster children are in foster care for a reason and most of them aren’t good reasons.

          Why should it be left up to the “infertiles” of the world to fix the broken children? To care for them? To love them back to life? I’m not saying “infertiles” don’t do this because many do but still. And I’m not talking about “fertile” couples fostering on top of their own children, I’m talking about fostering being the only children they have. Perhaps if more “fertile” couples chose to foster INSTEAD of have their own childre, then us “infertiles” wouldn’t get ticked off when we’re repeatedly told to “just adopt” or “just foster”.

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      • Sienna

        Fertile people with biological kids DO foster kids! Most foster kids are placed with families who have their own children as well.

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        • odette

          I have two sons (8 and 10) and we’re almost through our assessments to begin fostering.

          As for the “selfish” comments (not this comment in particular, but all over these comments)….what is a 45 year old fell pregnant naturally, by accident? Are they then selfish if they choose to keep the baby?

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    • Anonymoose

      People can be fantastic mothers at 16, 45 and anywhere in between just as people can be quite ordinary mothers at any age.

      I dont see what is ‘not wise’ about a woman with so much love to give and ample opportunity to support her children having babies while she is still healthy and able to do it. Nicky’s children are very lucky.

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    • neola

      Fostering is so different – I’ve done a lot of research into it and I hope I’ll be able to do it one day, but it’s not the solution:

      1. First and foremost, fostering is not something you do because of what you want – it has to be completely selfless and purely for the best interests of the child. When the biological urge to be a mother (which I can assure you is so strong and overwhelming, it’s physically painful) kicks in, you consider fostering because you want to fill a hole in your heart. These kids often can’t handle that kind of pressure and aren’t capable of that kind of trust and unconditional love for a long time.

      2. The Department does whatever they can to reunite foster kids with their bio family. Please imagine how heartbreaking that would be for an infertile woman (especially when she’s doing everything to be a great mum and the bio family often isn’t!)

      3. When you foster, you are often taking on a whole family’s worth of trauma and sometimes trouble. You absolutely need to be 100% prepared and capable.

      I’m reluctant to point out these negatives as I’d hate to turn anyone off doing it – but it’s so important to do it for the right reasons and to be prepared. With the depression and anxiety I’ve experienced since battling infertility, there’s no way I would have been strong enough to foster. But I vow to try to get there one day, as I think it’s one of the kindest things you can do.

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      • Sienna

        Neola, I read earlier down the page that you’re now 7 weeks pregnant so congratulations, that’s fantastic!
        Just wanted to add that if fostering is too big a step people can try the Aunties & Uncles programme with CareSouth where they match you with a child that you spend one weekend a month with! The child is living with his/her family but is disadvantaged! They are always looking for volunteers!

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        • neola

          Thank you, Sienna! Worth looking into, for sure. We’re hoping that if all goes well with this one, we can look into fostering to have the big family we always wanted, instead of going back to IVF again and again. Maybe starting with respite caring, and see how that goes? I know that if I had tried to do it earlier this year, I’d have had a meltdown, and I couldn’t stand the thought of giving a child back to care. I know people who have had to do that and it was so traumatic for the kid, as well as the adults.

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    • Ugh

      If the reproductive choices of others make you uncomfortable, that is your problem, not theirs.

      Why did you feel the need to throw the “just foster” line into the discussion? Did you really think you were being helpful?

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  16. Essen

    I love these stories of women going it alone as now I’m a mum, it breaks my heart other women might miss out on this just bc they’ve not met mr right or have been stuffed around by mr waste-their-time-and-steal-their-fertile-years-in-a-cohabiting-but-ultimately-going-nowhere-relationship. One thing I get confused about is why do egg donors need to be finished their own family?

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    • nicks02

      Hi Essen,
      Women here need to be finished their family because there is a very slight chance that during egg collection, something can go wrong and the woman won’t be able to have more children.

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    • Anonymous

      Because the procedure can affect your fertility .

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    • Rachael

      I don’t know a lot about it or whether it can have permanent side-effects for fertility but the egg donation process is quite invasive so it probably has something to do with that.

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    • Veronica

      I always thought it was an emotional issue– as in, they didn’t want women who were ambivalent about having more kids to try and “claim” the child they created with donated eggs, should they have second thoughts. Didn’t realise there was a physical risk.

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      • jb expat

        Veronica – I think that you are right – that is why they have this rule in Australia. I’ve never heard of there being long term fertility consequences to being a donor (although I haven’t looked hard at finding this)…I also think that women without children are perfectly capable of donating eggs with a full understanding of what they are doing. In the US counselling is mandatory for both donor and recipient at respected clinics. I’m pretty sure it’s mandatory here as well.

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  17. neola

    It’s so much easier to say what you would/n’t do when it’s a hypothetical situation. You don’t really know where your line is until you’re about to cross it, I think. I never thought I’d do IVF, now that I’m 7 weeks pregnant, I’m so relieved that I did, and I still wouldn’t want to use donor sperm/eggs but if nothing else was working, who knows what I’d do?

    As another poster says, adoption would have far and away been my first choice but it’s just so prohibitive for us Australians. Unfortunately.

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    • jb expat

      Never thought I’d use donor eggs but when I realized that my choice was donor eggs or no children, I changed my mind (the mind changing process was a long and thoughtful one). I totally agree, until you are ACTUALLY facing this type of decision it is really hard to say what you would and would not do.

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    • Alice A

      I know – adopting is so hard in Australia! I want to adopt a child when I’m older (and hopefully have my own kids) but I’ve read about the adoption process in Australia, which usually takes five years or never happens at all and that’s making me have second thoughts. I will try of course, if I haven’t changed my mind in the future, but I’d be quite hesitant.

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    • Eternally

      Congratulations! I’m so happy for you

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      • neola

        Thank you, Eternally xx Still doesn’t feel ‘real’. I have so appreciated your kindness since I’ve been on this site. How are you going? x I hope things are great for you right now

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  18. Grammar Queen

    Very thought provoking article. I wish Nicky all the best.

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  19. Tara

    I was divorced and childless by 35. Luckily my current husband came along 2 years later and wanted kids. I say lucky as we’ve needed fertility treatment and I’m finally pregnant!
    I’m disappointed in the lack of sperm and egg donation in Australia. I now live in the UK where women needing IVF are given their treatment half-price if they consent to giving up some of their eggs. The sperm donation rates are dropping but advertising for donors is already being ramped up. If Only Australia could care as much for their infertile couples.

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    • nicks02

      I think even if I still lived in the US, I would have used an egg donor from elsewhere. The cost of an egg donor there is 10s of $1000s.
      I wish you all very good things for your pregnancy. When are you due?

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  20. Jobe

    Congrats Nicky! You are looking amazing!
    Would I do this? Absolutely, in a heart beat. I’ve always felt I was born to be a mother, it’s a big decision to go it alone and no doubt the costs would be huge, but I have no doubt it would be worth it. Kids need a happy, healthy and supportive environment and this can be achieved with one parent or a whole village.
    I’m very fortunate to be only 29 and happily married, however still facing ivf. It’s not so much a decision we have made, more the next step in our desire for children. It really upsets me when people talk about listening to the universe, maybe it’s trying to tell us something and maybe we aren’t meant to be parents. Bullshit!! Have they seen some people who are able to have children, living in poverty, domestic violence, emotional abuse, etc, how is it that the “universe” is saying, oh this is a great place for a child!?
    All the best for the rest of your pregnancy Nicky, I’m 110% behind your decision.

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    • Sarah

      Hi Jobe

      People do under estimate the impact their comments havem dont they?
      Like you, my partner and I will have to undergo a process to have a child, starting with a vasectomy reversal and if that fails, IVF. Its a stressful process to contemplate and when people tell me not to worry, that it will ‘all work out if its meant to be’ I have to fight an urge to punch them.

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    • nicks02

      Thank you Jobe. Unfortunately 9.5 times out of 10, it’s people who have NEVER had to endure infertility and have no idea how it feels to not be able to just sneeze and get pregnant.

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  21. Robyn

    I am divided in this. I have children so this was never a course of action I needed to consider. Having said that, knowing what it is like to have kids, I know with hindsight that I would definitely want them so single parenthood is something I would do, knowing what I know now. However as a singleton, would I have the same self knowledge and desire? Confusing huh?

    That said, the contradictory part of me reads the above story and I see some selfishness, this isn’t about giving life it is about her desire to have kids. Do brothers, uncles and friends make up for no dad? It is different to separated/deceased parents as it is a conscious decision. Add to that I think age is a factor, becoming a parent at 45 is too old or near enough to (in my opinion).

    She is right, I would not say this to her face but she has come onto a forum that invites comments and opinions so even though it is online, I feel I am allowed to give an opinion.
    I have no doubt her twins are much wanted and will be loved. I wish her and her children all the best.

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    • Anonymous

      I am confused by your comment: “this isn’t about giving life it is about her desire to have kids”

      As a daughter and a human (rather than as a parent):
      Isn’t pretty much EVERY parent’s actions (in having a family) about their desire to have kids (and their own biological egos in continuing the family / genetic line)?

      If it were about ‘giving life’ the planet is already at 7.08 billion. Apparently we hit the 7 billion point somewhere between October last year and March this year. It isn’t a case of populate or perish. In case you are concerned, check here: http://www.worldometers.info/world-population/ watch the numbers flick by at a reassuring speed! IN 1974 we were only at 4 billion. The replacement rate is beyond healthy.

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      • Robyn

        Yes, I see your point. Having kids is usually about becoming parents. In an ideal world, those kids would come into a two parent family and be loved, well fed and cared for. But, as we know we don’t live in an ideal world and everyone’s ideal is different.
        I’m not going to get into a debate about world population, I’m too lazy. I guess that part of my comment was aimed at the ‘become a parent at all costs’ mentality, which in Nicky’s case as a single and older parent is different from my perception of ideal, thus I labelled it as selfish. I have no doubt many people will disagree with me. She is a person, with her own feelings and desires and I am pro-choice in that even if I don’t agree, she should be allowed to do as she desires with her own body and finances.

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        • Anonymous

          Whether you or I agree with Nicky or not over the choices she is making or the interests of her babies…. (and I haven’t said what I think actually) I am just focussing on some of the reasons given against it in terms of assumptions made about SINGLE parenting (regardless of her age 45, that she used both donor egg and sperm, as well as anything else that might be brought up: i.e. gender, sexual orientation, finances, availability of male role models etc).

          This article is about so many aspects! So many. But focussing just on the single aspect of it for now…

          Partnered people (often women) make the same choices to conceive and have a baby in unhealthy relationships – i.e. as their fertility is running out, they stay to have a child or two – otherwise they’d have left yonks ago. Often the father in these cases is a real a-hole with no real commitment to his partner or kids. Then there are couples having a child to ‘fix’ and relationship or make someone commit to the relationship for once and for all (a.k.a. trapping someone). I doubt they get the same scrutiny (not being single), but those choices are equally selfish.

          At least in deliberately making this choice she knows what challenges lie ahead and can plan for them and ask for support upfront. A lot of originally-partnered parents can be taken by surprised whe life doesn’t go to plan. That is one possible benefit I can think of.

          PS I am sure Nicky’s children will be well fed!

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        • LauraS

          I have never met anyone who had children for altruistic reasons. Everyone has kids because they want to, not for the greater good.

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    • nicks02

      Robyn,
      This was never my ideal situation but I’m fortunate that it’s available to me. I never thought I’d be single in my 40s. That was not in my plan. However, it’s my reality and now I’m having my very wanted and soon-to-be much loved babies. How can that be bad?

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      • Robyn

        Nicky, I don’t think you or your situation is bad. Someone who goes to such lengths to have kids will be a great parent. Like I said at the beginning of my comment, I cannot imagine a life without kids and I would probably do the same if I had to.
        My (poorly made) point is it is not the ideal. When I hear about older parents, I don’t think of a man or woman as they age and possibly feel lonely because he or she is without children, although it is a situation to be sympathetic with, I think of a child that is in their teen years with a parent that is nearing retirement, I think of a child that could lose a parent whilst they are in their 20′s and I think of the grandchildren that may not get to enjoy their grandparents either due to old age or death.
        I get that this is not your ideal also and if you could have had them younger you probably would have. I am sorry if you have been offended by anything I have written. I sincerely wish you all the best, you will be a great mum and they are well worth the trouble you have been through to conceive them.

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  22. lala

    I am single (but only early 30s now). I still have time for it all to ‘happen organically’ however if it didn’t I do not plan to wait until 39/40 myself. A 37yo friend of mine recently said to me her ‘fertilcity window was closing’ which was a good reminder to me to think seriously abut my life and motherhood dreams (as well as relationships).

    My own individual plan (which suits me, I have to stress – not everyone) is to save and research for the ‘worst case scenario’ (i.e. if I were to not meet a willing and suitable life partner). I will own my home as well as have money to conceive and have a baby on my own. At the same time, I will seek out and still expect the best scenario whereby I meet someone, in which case, my home can be an investment property and my savings can be used in another way, say an education for my child/ren. I believe this to be a win-win situation. My hopes for the standard family may very well eventuate, but if not I will have the means to become a mother regardless.

    The reason I would not wait til 39/40 is that I do not want to be a significantly older mother (personally – energy wise) and want to enjoy as many years as possible of my child/ren’s life (lives) and be as fit and healthy as I can. Also, because it increases my chances of conception success and hopefully not taking so long to conceive than if I was older.

    I thank all those single women (those I know and those I don’t know personally) who went before who paved the way for the medical advances as well as gave me advice.

    However, despite all I feel I – more than anything – I wish the adoption system were much easier in Australia. It is nigh on impossible whether you re a couple or single. Even if I marry and have a biological child, I would LOVE to adopt one as well. And if I could as a single, this is the no. 1 path I would choose actually.

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    • zia

      smart woman, lala

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  23. Anonymous

    I am confused, did she use her own eggs ? or that of a surrogant ?

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    • nicks02

      I used an egg donor and a sperm donor. A surrogate is someone who carries the baby for another woman when she cannot or doesn’t want to be pregnant

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      • Anonymous

        Hi Nicky, I really hope this question doesn’t offend you, I honestly don’t mean it to but I am just curious. In light of your above answer, apart from obviously wanting to become a parent, did you also want to experience pregnancy?

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    • nicks02

      I used an egg donor and a sperm donor. A surrogate is a woman who carries a baby for another woman who cannot get pregnant

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      • ALICIA

        So there is nothing biological about these 2 new babies. Oh Ok.
        No I would not do it. Personally I would want my child to have my blood, secondly I would want my child to have a father, thirdly I would not want to start a family at a time when my body is preparing itself for menopause. But good luck. Nicky.

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        • Noelle

          And it’s for these reasons that the beautiful phrase ‘to each their own’ exists.

          Let’s hope you never have fertility issues.

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        • jb expat

          Also, read about epigenetics, Nicky is making a biological imprint on her children…

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    • nicks02

      yes…it’s all in my blog!!!

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  24. Alessia

    I Nicky wrote an article in March 2011 being 45 so I believe her to be a little older than 45 now. So my opinion a single mother to 2x babies at around 46 would be very bloody hard.

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    • nicks02

      I’m 45 now. In 2011 I was 44. I will be just 46 when they’re born. I have never said nor thought it will be easy, but being a Mum is something I’ve ALWAYS wanted. I’m healthy and no doctor has told me I’m too old.

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      • jb expat

        no doctor has said that because you are not too old! had my first at 44 and will have my second a month or 2 after my 46th birthday…46 with two under 3 ….definitely hard, but definitely worth it…and I often wonder whether I’d be any less tired with 2 young children in my mid-thirties.

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        • Mish

          I know people in their 50′s with more energy than I did in my 20′s. I had a wonderful friend who used to do gymnastics well into her 80′s and practically ran everywhere. You’re only as old as you feel. I also know a few couples who started having kids their 40′s and they are more financially settled, so don’t have to work as hard as they did in their 20′s or 30′s. So there’s a flip side there, in that they have been lucky enough to be able to spend more time with the kids. If you can do it and want to do it, I don’t see why not. Good on you ladies!

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  25. Sarah

    Provided she is able to financially support the children, I have no issue with this. She seems prepared and has recognised the importance of a male role model for the children.

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    • Anonymous

      What if there isn’t a male role model around at the time? What would you recommend to those single women? That the woman doesn’t have a baby on her own?

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      • Sarah

        If a male role model isnt around or available, I dont think thats a reason not to go ahead with having a child. I just think its good that she’s thought about it.

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  26. Rach the Muso

    I would do it in a heartbeat, if I had the funds. If husband had decided to remain here in the US, and I went home, I wasn’t planning on waiting for him. If after that I hadn’t found anyone, I would be prepared to go it alone. I have wonderful family support, and my parents are about to retire but still active (and dying for grandchildren!)

    I had even considered, in moments of panic in the last few weeks, going off the pill, getting pregnant and taking myself home without husband, as he was so hell bent on staying and furthering himself. At this stage, it looks as though it will sort itself out and we are looking to TTC within the next year. :)

    I agree that ‘socially infertile’ is a relatively insensitive term, but I do understand the meaning behind it – through no fault of your own (or maybe slightly in some cases) you are left childless. Either way, for those desperate for children, it is not fair.

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    • nicks02

      Good luck Rach the Muso x

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    • Twisted Sister

      I am SO happy for you Rach! I have been following your sad posts on here and felt sick for you at the thought of having to give up on your dreams to be a parent because of your husbands choices. SO gald that you two have worked it out! Good luck and I hope to hear about a future pregnancy on here soon x

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      • Rach the Muso

        Hi Twisted Sister,

        I wrote you a reply…but I think it got eater by the spam monster.

        Thank you for thinking of me. :) xx

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  27. Lil

    Congratulations Nicky. I am thrilled for you. It takes a lot of courage and determination to pursue your goals. Wishing you all the best for a healthy pregnancy and birth. I have gorgeous twin girls born with the help of a surrogate and and I am blessed.

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    • nicks02

      Thank you Lil. I’m having opposite twins to you and feel very blessed x

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      • Farmgirly

        Hey I have IVF twin boys, what fun!
        You had best get ready for the stupid twin comments, like “double, trouble”. The other day my son asked me ifine or his brother that was the “trouble” part? I now correct people and say not double trouble, twice as nice!
        All the best with your pregnancy, enjoy as much rest as you can before your guys arrive. The first year will go like a whirlwind. But by the time they are four, like my guys, you will have time to it back and watch them play together for hours on end. The love and bond between my twins is amazing, I am sure your boys will be as strongly connected as mine.
        Cannot wait to hear how it ll goes.xx

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