By LUCY ORMONDE
Nicky Lavigne always thought she’d be married with kids by the time she reached 40. In reality however, on her 40th birthday she found herself divorced, single and childless and desperate to become a mother.
A woman’s fertility declines after the age of 32. By the age of 40, it’s fallen by half. Waiting for the father of your future children to come into your life is no longer an option.
Nicky realised she had a choice to make. She could continue to wait for a relationship that may or may not lead to children. Or she could look into becoming a single mother through treatments like IVF and intrauterine insemination.
It took Nicky five years of fertility treatments and donor sperm to get nowhere. Until this year.
Now she’s 45 and 19 weeks pregnant. With twins.
Nicky is one of a growing number of women who are being labelled as ‘socially infertile’ by the IVF industry. They’re women in their late 30s and early 40s who are using donor sperm and fertility treatment to become mothers. Some, of course, are also medically infertile; their eggs are no longer viable, as was the case with Nicky.
According to recent reports, the number of single women using sperm donors to get pregnant has increased by as much as 10 per cent in the past three years.
Although lesbian couples account for some of the increase, doctors say the real growth is among older single heterosexual women.
The demand has been particularly pronounced in Victoria, where until 2010 it was illegal for single women to do IVF if they weren’t medically infertile. Monash IVF has performed IVF cycles for 463 single women with an average age of 38 since the law changed, while 169 same-sex female couples have undergone the process.
”We’re seeing more and more of these ladies. Women who can’t find Mr Right but still want a child realise this is an option for them,” the deputy president of the Fertility Society of Australia, Michael Chapman, said. ”It’s become almost normal to be a single mum. So when these women get to 38, 39, they go to donor sperm and do assisted reproduction.’
MM: At what point did you realise this was the path you were going to go down?
NL: By 40 I had always thought I would be married with a couple of kids but in the real world, I was actually divorced, single and childless. Everyone I had ever come into contact with knew how much I wanted children, so a girlfriend suggested I look into using a sperm donor. I shot this down fast because it wasn’t part of my “dream life”. However, the more I thought about it, the more I realised my “fertility window” was closing and I needed to do something fast, so I started looking into what using a sperm donor involved.
MM: What were the options that were available to you? What have you tried – and how did you end up where you are?
NL: I was living in the US at the time, so my options were greater than in Australia. They have no restrictions on how many families one sperm donor can have, whether they have to be known or can remain anonymous AND the guy is paid really well…in all cryobanks in the US.
Choosing a sperm donor was like internet dating. Hundreds of profiles to consider. So. Many. Choices. Height, body shape, hair color, eye color, skin color, religion. Whether he wanted to remain unknown or not (if not, when the child turns 18, he/she can contact the biological father).
I chose a fertility doctor and a donor and figured I’d be pregnant within a year. But how wrong was I…
I had 7 IUI (Intrauterine insemination) cycles. This pretty much involves sperm and a catheter and simulates intercourse… if for you intercourse involves the guy getting off, then rolling over and going to sleep! All were unsuccessful and was told the next step would be IVF.
I was already thinking of moving back to Sydney and decided I’d wait to start with a new doctor there.
Here, my sperm donor options were narrowed down to FIVE. They were from a bank in the States. There is no donor program in Australia. the guys do it altruistically AND they have to be known, so there are almost none. Ever since the law came in to end anonymity for sperm donors (their details are automatically given to the child when he or she reached 18), men just stopped donating. It’s different in the US because anonymity still applies. I chose one from the US and had enough vials shipped so that I (hopefully) wouldn’t have to go through the process again. It’s not cheap.
IVF is grueling…it sends you on an emotional roller coaster. You have to be strong to endure even one cycle. I did seven and never even got one pregnancy. My fertility doctor has an affiliate in Athens (Greece) where he sends patients when they need an egg donor. There is no equivalent service like that in Australia – it’s illegal to buy or sell eggs here. If you need them, you have to find a donor who will do it for free. And since it’s a highly invasive procedure -soo different from donating sperm!- it’s almost impossible for a woman to source donor eggs. So most women who have no eggs have to go overseas. My doctor had been telling me about this and, like when I first heard about sperm donors, my first reaction was NO. I wanted my baby to come from MY egg.
Window nearly shut…
So I started looking into this and decided if I could at least carry the baby, it would still be my pregnancy.
So…off I went to Athens five months ago and now I’m 18 weeks pregnant!!!
MM: Was the decision to become a single parent a difficult one?
NL: Yes, very and while I can’t speak for every woman, I think a lot will agree when I say we all have that “dream life” embedded in our subconscious… Mr Right wanting to spend the rest of his life with you, kids and a family pet. When my marriage ended in my mid 30s, I figured I still had time for another relationship and babies. I did – I spent three years with a guy who was a couple of years younger than me and kept telling me he wasn’t ready for kids. I should have listened.
That ended and after a couple more short-lived flings and a rocky on-again-off-again love affair, I found myself single and 40.
I do know that being a single Mum isn’t going to be as easy as it would if I had a partner, but it’s better for the kids than being brought up by two parents who, for example, aren’t happy together, or one is abusive, or just leaves and never returns.
MM: What led you to this point?
I’m here because I knew I didn’t want to go through my life without having kids. I was determined to be a Mum. I can have a relationship with a man in five years, but my fertility window will have closed by then and I would still have many many years to live… childless. That, to me, was not an option I could come to terms with.
MM: You’re using a sperm and an egg donor. What’s the process like to choose donors for each?
NL: Both egg and sperm donors in Australia are like finding a needle in a haystack. Many other countries have funded programs for both. Egg donors are paid a lot of money because it’s a very involved process and sperm donors are paid well also (for doing something not so terrible). But not here. Here they have to be altruistic AND KNOWN, UNDER 35 years old and have finished her family which is a big call for anyone.
Women advertise in magazines like Sydney’s Child or online for egg donors. I’m not sure what the success rate is, but I don’t think it’s high.
My egg and sperm donors came from the clinic in Athens. (But are anonymous. Using anonymous donors makes the process easier in my opinion.)
MM: The IVF industry has labelled women who, like yourself, are in their 30s or 40s and making the steps to be single parents as ‘socially infertile.’ What do you think of that term?
NL: I think it’s demeaning to those women who are genuinely infertile whether they have a male partner or not. The person who coined this phrase obviously has never had a a problem with fertility, either personally or someone close to them. The word infertility to a woman who IS truly infertile, means it doesn’t matter whether she has a male partner or not… she CANNOT GET PREGNANT.
Now, I have NO problem with women using donor sperm to get pregnant. Hell, I was one of the 40 year olds who realized my fertility window was closing and made the decision my dream of having a loving partner who wanted me to be his Baby Mumma was not happening.
MM: When your kids grow up and they ask you where they came from, what will you tell them?
NL: I’m going to tell my kids how much they were wanted and what lengths I went to to have them. I have a father, two brothers and many male friends in my life, so there will be no shortage of testosterone or people to answer “boy” questions.
MM: If your children ever ask where their dad is, how would you respond?
I’ll tell them the truth…I don’t know who he was, but he did a good thing and look at the results
MM: What have the reactions been like when you tell people what you’re doing?
NL: Most people are very supportive. They know what I’ve been through to get to this place and realize it hasn’t been easy.
There are also people who love to criticize, but they’re only ever online and I’m sure would never have the guts to say something to my face. They say things like I’m too old to become a first time Mum, that if I can’t have a baby the natural way that it’s obvious the universe didn’t want me to have children, or that I’m going to emotionally damage my kids because they’ll never know their biological father and EVERY child needs to know that.
To those people…I say mind your own business.
You can read more about Nicky’s journey on her blog here. Nicky recently appeared on Channel 10′s The Project to talk about her story and the idea of ‘social infertility.’ You can watch that story here.
What lengths would you go to to become a parent? If you knew your time to become a mother was running out, what would you do? Would you try IVF?










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I too am a so-called ‘socially infertile’ 39 year old woman doing IVF right now. In five mins I will be doing my Synarel ‘sniff’ and Gonal injections. The process is arduous both physically and mentally. I feel tired, nauseated, bloated, cranky/tearful, cramps in abdomen and all I can think of eating is watermelon and grapes! Like Nicky, I too would never have envisioned being single and childless at my age. I’m not happy about what I’m doing from the viewpoint that I’m doing it alone. However, as Nicky mentioned a man may come along one day, but a child may not. So I’m biting the bullet and going forward. As for the label ‘socially infertile’, I find it hurtful actually. Maybe I’m extra-sensitive right now because of the drugs! LOL! But seriously, as a childless woman I already feel somewhat ostracised (even if in my mind only) as I look at families everywhere. All my friends, when I go out to the shops, the park or out for lunch or dinner. It seems society is stratified that way, which is a wonderful thing but can also make us single childless women feel left out or marginalised or just not ‘the norm’. This is fine if you don’t want to be ‘the norm’ but those of us that do really shouldn’t be labelled as ‘socially infertile’ or anything really.
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Nicky, I think what you are doing is a fabulous thing. After many IVF cycles and the emotional roller coaster ride that goes with it (no successful pregnancies) I too am at a crossroads of where to turn next. Your story has renewed my energy to go overseas for a solution. There are many clinics in Greece ( before your story I did not realise Greece had a program on offer ) can you tell me which of these clinics you attended?
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Hi Redlisa,
If you’d like to contact me through my blog, I will be happy to answer your questions.
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Thank you Nicki for sharing with us. Your story is inspirational. At 41 and having been left in the lurch by my long term love in the middle of IVF, you give me hope. Good luck for the rest of the pregnancy. Your kids will be lucky to have you.
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Thank you Tanyam. Did you keep going with IVF? If you are able to, don’t give it up or you may regret it in the future. Oh, were you using his sperm?
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Congratulations Nicky good luck. I was also one of these ‘socially infertile’ women who found myself single, childless, wanting children so went down the incredibly difficult path of having to select donor sperm and going through tough IVF cycles at 42. With no success. I am still struggling a couple of years on at almost 45, of being childless not by choice. The only thing I can console myself with is that I tried but it didn’t work but I do still have difficult days. I mourn the loss of my life’s desire to have children and my own family and am still struggling to find a way of filling the void.
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I’m so very sorry Plan B. I was very nearly in your shoes…which is why I chose to go to Athens. It was really my last hope and I am extremely grateful it worked! The cost was about the same as doing it here.
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There is a similar system in nsw through DoCS. A very good friend of mine has formed her family this way and the adoption application for her eldest child is now underway. The children came to them as babies and really haven’t known any other home. There is ongoing contact with the biological parents and other siblings (who are also in the DoCS system) so they don’t lose that part of their identity.
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Congratulations! Your babies are very lucky to be so wanted and loved! Good luck with everything!!!
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Hi Nicky,
I was born when my mother was 39 and father 46 in an era were older mothers were not common. This was hard for me because my parents didn’t play with me as other parents did and most people thought that they were my grandparents. Can I encourage you to make an extra effort in looking after yourself so you can be fit, healthy and around for your children and grandchildren as they grow up.
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Do any of the pictures suggest Nicky doesn’t keep herself fit and healthy?
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Thanks Idle x
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You didn’t look at the pictures very well! I’m a holistic health coach and healthier than most people I know.
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First, the article quoted is a bit sensationalist. MOAR WOMEN REJECTING MEN AND GOING IT ALONE! TEN PERCENT MOAR THAN LIKE BEFORE!
460 out of 300,000 births. Not really a large figure in the scheme of things now, is it?
10% increase? Oh, from 400 to 440 – over three years? Cor blimey guvna. At that rate, ALL WOMEN WILL HAVE CHILDREN WITHOUT MEN BY YEAR ONE BILLION! Obviously. Society WILL BE DESTROYED!
Nicky will be a great Mum to her twins. She’s picked a rare path to parenthood, based on years of trying and intent.
The world needs more good parents, not just parents who can tick the ‘two of opposite sex’ box. Nicky will be a great Mum.
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MWAH…also, thank you for the giant compliment x
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See what happens when I’m away from the twitters? I miss important news like this. Congrats, Nicky! Awesome news. xoxo
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Thanks Kris…YES, you cannot stay away and think nothing’s going to happen!!! x
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I think every child has a right to know their lineage. What ifthey fall in love with their biological brother or sister one day and want to marry and have kids? Slim chance yes, but possible.
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I feel kinda sad when I think about this. My mum is 27 years older than me and it still pains me to think of the day that I will have to say goodbye to her. So admittedly I do think the choice to have children needs to be made with some compassion to the needs of those children. No matter how well you can feed them, how much you want them or how much you can love them, they will be, firstly, with only one parent to lose, and secondly, are likely to lose that parent much sooner than they would like. Does anyone ever stop for five minutes to think about the psychological damage this type of situation can create?
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Awful things happen to people of all ages. I have friends who lost parents when they (the parents) were in their 30s and 40s from cancer or a tragic accident. No one can tell the future…
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I’ve been a single Mum since I was pregnant. Although I conceived naturally and the father is in my child’s life, I’d just like to say to Nicky to not let any of the cyber bullies get to you. No-one ever talks about the perks of being a single Mum- for both the parent and the kids… and there really are quite a few. My daughter is one much loved little lady and I’m sure your kids will be too. Best of luck!
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Thank you and good luck to you x
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I wish you all the best Nicky, with your pregnancy and the birth of your children.
I don’t agree, however, with the views of many here that seem to find Australia’s laws regarding anon egg/sperm ‘wrong’ just because the US and other countries continue to do it. There is a reason why Australia don’t do it – it is because the children from the 80s and 90s born of anon sperm donation lobbied for the law to change because THEY wanted to the right to know their genetic father. Its the same with adoption laws. It was recognised that many adoptees needed to find their genetic parents so the laws were changed around adoption.
This is such new territory. My guess is that in 25 years from now children born in the US to anon donors will be arguing for the same rights they did here in the last decade or so. Watching the documentary My father, sperm donor 150, powerfully illustrates that.
The donor kids and adopted kids I know needed to know their genetic heritage. Surely that is a basic right?
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The sperm donor program has been going for more than 25 years in the US. The law for 5 families only is here because of our much smaller population. No one wants to meet and fall in love with a half sibling.
It’s much less common in the US and even more so if a woman from Aust goes there, or somewhere else to get sperm/eggs for the child to ever meet a half sibling.
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You are spot on nicks02.
It’s called ‘genetic sexual attraction’ (GSA) which is the intense sexual attraction of close relatives that meet as adults.
If siblings are raised together there’s a reverse sexual imprinting known as the Westermarck effect, which desensitizes them to later sexual attraction. The theory is that it prevents inbreeding.
Falling in love with a sibling (or half-sibling) can have devastating effects. Here are a few examples that actually happened….
http://abcnews.go.com/Primetime/Story?id=2886819&page=1
and http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1311238/Brother-sister-didnt-know-related-marry–despite-knowing-union-illegal.html
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I am one of the lucky ones – i met my now husband at 17 and had my second beautiful baby at 29, just as planned! But if things hadn’t worked out like this, I would be going the same path as Nicky.
Good luck Nicky! I can’t wait to hear the birth story!
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The bit I dislike about this story is the whole anonymous part of it. As an adopted person I imagine that these children will feel the same: that is, sorry I can’t tell you where you came from because I don’t know! You will never know where you got half of your genetic make up from as I had to go to Greece to have a baby. You say that you will tell them that they are very much loved; however in reality that is not enough. Children need an identity. That’s why I like our laws in Australia!!
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Congratulations Nicky. I’m only 32, so not quite at the point of giving up hope of finding a suitable baby daddy, but I have said for a long time that I would use a donor if it didn’t eventuate. Time won’t always be on my side and my closest friends know that I have seriously considered it as an option. They have no problem with it. It’s like Dr Seuss said “those who mind don’t matter, and those who matter don’t mind”. I happen to know I will be a great mama and I am not prepared to accept my fate to be childless if circumstances don’t go in my favour.
I acknowledge that it might not be easy for a child to not know their origins, but I would do everything in my power to teach them how to be strong people and give them the tools to understand that every person’s circumstances are different and everybody has unanswered questions about themselves that they search for answers for throughout their lives. Not knowing one’s father doesn’t have to break someone. I know from personal experience that being a Dad or Mum isn’t just about biology, all that matters is knowing who loves us, because it is the people we love and who love us that are family in a way that biology cannot dictate.
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You go girl!
My Nonna had twins at 46, whilst looking after her 3 other children.
And you know what, she coped.
She did have a husband, but in those days they didn’t help with the children like they do now…..she’s 93!
You know life is not a straight road, there are twists and turns along the way. Who’s to say that in a few years time you meet the man of your dreams, get married and morph into a different family (and if he has kids, a blended family at that).
Or you may not. It doesn’t matter either way. What matters is that you love, cherish and protect those little babies of yours to the nth degree.
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I wax unexplained infertile & turned to IVF at 34 but was married. Successfully have 2 children now. I completely understand the urge to procreate. I do wonder though what social & personal issues your children will face. Hopefully your love will be enough for them but suspect you may have other challenges ahead of you. Time will tell. I wish you luck
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I think it’s great that woman now have more choices out there are yes they can have it all. But…. Yes there is a but I think if a woman or male for that matter who is single chooses fertility to have a child they should first be able to prove financial security to ensure they are not going to just end up in the benefits line. I have no issue with a woman in their 40s having a child but there should be an age line for any woman having fertility treatment, single or married it doesn’t matter I don’t agree with woman 60 + having a child by fertility especially if she is single, it’s great to want a baby and everyone has that right but when does it become more about wanting a baby and less about the baby itself.
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Firstly, it’s discriminatory to suggest that single women should have to meet some sort of means test but married people can take as many benefits and govt tax breaks and childcare payments and baby bonuses and paid maternity to leave as they want. Single people pay just as much tax, if not more, as married people do – so why shouldn’t they have the same rights?
Same with age – people die at all ages. What makes a 13 year old a better mum than a 50 year old? At least the 50 year old is a grown-up.
Secondly, it’s condescending and ignorant for anyone to suggest that a woman who is having a child, and has planned and worked hard to conceive that child, hasn’t thought about her decision and the life she’s hoping to provide for it. It’s all about that baby’s life. Unlike those who do it accidentally, or just because they’re married and it’s time and everyone expects it, single women have to think twice as long and twice as hard and have to go through twice as much to be a parent, and believing it’s anything less than a long-considered decision is just plain wrong.
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Not so lovely, lovely lady. Discriminatory lady, perhaps?
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There has been lots of focus on the psychological consequences of not knowing their roots for Nicky’s unborn twins. I think most kids go through phases of trying to ” find” themselves, either as teenagers or young adults, whether or not they are adopted or how they are conceived. It’s part of separating from parents and becoming an independent. . just because the ramifications of not knowing your biological parents are not quantified and may possibly cause distress is not a reason to shut the whole process down. Many choices made in life can end in distress. There are many things that can shape a child’s life such as poverty, death, disease and abuse.
Nicky’s age is certainly irrelevant.
I’m so happy for you Nicky, you are only the start of the greatest love story of your life. Congratulations!
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I am a child of a sperm donor and i find your comment “using anonymous donors makes the process easier in my opinion” really condescending.
It may make it easier for you but not for your future children!
I was born long before the new rules about not being anonymous came into effect so have no way of finding out any information about my sperm donor. Not a single day goes past that i don’t think about who he is and what he’s up to or how many siblings i have that i will never get the chance to meet. My parents tried to have children for many years before they went down the sperm donor path and they have said all the same things you plan to say to your kids to me. Don’t tell them “that he did a good thing and look at the results” because it doesn’t matter if it was a noble, good thing that he did when you feel like a part of you is missing and you’ll never get to fill-in that missing piece of information.
You said towards the end of the piece that people say to you “I’m going to emotionally damage my kids because they’ll never know their biological father and EVERY child needs to know that. To those people…I say mind your own business.” Well as someone who IS emotionally damaged from being in the same situation i sincerely hope your children aren’t, but my guess is there is a 95% chance they will be. No matter how loving their upbringing is and how many male role moels they have around them they will always be wondering about that anonymous man who is a massive part of their life. They may act like they are fine with the situation YOU have chosen for them but on the inside they will be broken by the not knowing.
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AJ just because you are emotionally damaged, it doesn’t mean Nicky’s children will be. Honest and open conversations about their circumstances as they grow up have every chance of preventing trauma. The most important thing is that they will be loved and wanted.
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To me, the post read like AJ was very much loved and wanted, and did have honest and open conversations as per your recommendation – but STILL feels torn.
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AJ, you cannot speak for how these children will feel in 20 years time. Your childhood is not their childhood. That’s like saying that Nicky’s experience of motherhood is going to be the same as mine, which is ridiculous. We are all individuals with individual circumstances, personalities, emotions, thoughts, feelings and coping mechanisms.
My friend is adopted and met her birth mother and half-sister. She disliked them. She had nothing in common with them. Yes, she got to fill in that “missing piece,” but guess what? She didn’t like the fit. It raised more questions than it answered and she seems even more confused and harbours more negative feelings than she would have done if she hadn’t met them. I know that doesn’t help you, because you are probably never going to have the chance, but it may help you come to terms with it by acknowledging that it doesn’t always turn out to be a positive experience.
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AJ, thanks for speaking up and giving a voice to children conceived from anonymous donors. I wish you peace in the future.
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The only alternative for those children born to anonymous donors is not to exist at all. Either you are alive and don’ t know your bio father or you never lived. Which is better?
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Oh please seriously Mindy? That’s a bit like saying for every sperm that doesn’t fertilise an egg every time a man ejaculates is a child that will never exist and it’s ridiculous, you’re clutching at straws with that form of argument!!
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I can honestly say that if I hadn’t been lucky enough to have my kids (or a partner) I would have done the same. We had infertility issues between nos 2 and 3, so I can understand, partly, the heartache TTC causes.
Australian adoption and fertility laws are quite ridiculous. It’s almost like a message is being sent to people that if you can’t have em naturally, or with your own eggs/sperm then too bad.
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I just wanted to say congratulations and I think it’s great that you have worked out what you want for your life and are going for it. Not all of our lives turn out as planned and sometimes you just have to make the most of the cards you are dealt.
I think the most important thing is that your children are very much wanted and loved.
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Hi Nicky,
I used to read your blog a few years ago. Every now and again I would wonder if you ever became pregnant. I am thrilled to read about your good news – all the best for you, your family and your new adventure xxoo
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Thanks Gab…although I’m 19 weeks, I’m STILL shocked every time I pass a mirror, or just look down! Very grateful though x
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I have to say I am really disappointed with the number of negative comments below. The only ideal situation nowadays is that the child is wanted, loved and provided for. Marital status and all the other ‘ideals’ can be satisfied but can then change in a flash. If a child grows up feeling loved, secure and valued then everything else can be dealt with. Good on you Nicky, you will be a great mum.
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Thanks Ladybug…I don’t really listen to the naysayers. If I did, I would have given up this journey a long time ago. I’m doing this for me, not for anyone else x
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Congratulation Nicky! Wonderful news. As someone who has struggled with infertility for years, did 9 cycles of IVF, had miscarriage after miscarriage and is now finally 13 weeks pregnant, I wish you nothing but the best for your pregnancy. While doing IVF I’ve met both singles and couples of all ages who desperately wanted to be parents and I think everyone should be supported on that difficult journey. I’ve also had very negative things said to me about my infertility. I’m 33 and married but people (it’s always been people with no experience in infertility) have still felt comfortable in telling me that I should just focus on other things, it is not meant to be. I don’t believe that and I think it’s wonderful that we can access medical innovations to have our babies. I’m lucky to be married to a wonderful and supportive husband but I know that I want to be a mother so much that, if single, I also would have considered the same path as you.
What really struck a cord with me in your story is the timeline and the process. I think many fertile people think IVF is a quick fix. At the start of trying to conceive, even I didn’t think I’d need IVF. I was 29 by then and thought I’d probably just need a few months on Clomid. Of course it didn’t and I eventually moved on to IUI. I certainly didn’t think I’d need IVF since we were falling pregnant, although miscarrying. Eventually, I realised I did need IVF and I’d become accustomed to the idea by then. The nice cycles to reach success were hard and emotional but I don’t regret anything I’ve done to get to this point. At 13 weeks pregnant I am enjoying the awesome experience of growing a baby belly and seeing our child on the ultrasound screen. I can’t wait for the joy of being a parent. All the best for the future.
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Thank you L and congratulations to you and your husband. IVF is such a long, difficult roller coaster that I thought I’d only get off when I finally decided I’d had enough. I’m SO glad I didn’t give up too soon!!!
It’s funny how you think when you start fertility treatment that you’ll be pregnant in one, maybe two cycles but as the time goes on, you just take it in your stride and your thinking changes. I, too, went from trying naturally to using a sperm donor for IUI then IVF, then using an egg donor also. All of which wasn’t even in my thought process a few years ago.
Congrats again x
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Congratulations L! Your little one will light up your life, all the best for lovely event-free pregnancy
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As a mother of Ivf twins born when I was 40, I say it’s great and you’ll love it. I am now nearly 42 and about to have another baby also Ivf. To add to my story I’m also a 70′s baby adopted and don’t know my birth parents. I don’t feel I have identity problems at all. The whole world will offer advice, and I can only say if you end up in newborn care, it’s so common with twin pregnancies, to actually enjoy the experience! Sounds ridiculous but have that as a possibility so it’s not a shock. Good luck and may your family life be filled with fun and love.
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Thank you Jessica, any advice like that is very welcome x
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Congratulations Nikki! I think what you’ve done is fabulous. I am a little shocked by some of the negative comments on here. And I would be interested to know how many of these posters have actually endured infertility themselves and been in your actual situation to truly understand where you are coming from.
You’re doing this at 46 not because it’s a lifestyle choice because that’s how bloody LONG it took you to fall pregnant, can’t people see that? Aside from that you look to be in great shape! There would be plenty of women half your age in worse health than you. The fact a sperm was used is irrelevant, plenty of kids have been born without two parents and yours are lucky enough to have a mum that loves them very much. I’m also well aware of the rigorous counselling and screening you have to go to to get to this point, not
I bet you are thrilled you didn’t give up and are now blessed with beautiful twins on the way.
All the best and please keep up posted on the birth! xxx
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Thank you D…what you have said here is exactly how I feel. Most naysayers have never experienced infertility and therefore have no idea what it involves.
N x
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Nicky would have us believe that a need for a father isn’t that big a deal and can be covered off just by substituting other men in her kids lives. If it’s that simple to replace a relationship, why can’t her need for kids just be covered off by other people’s children in her life? This deep need for a child? I get it. There’s every chance her kids will feel exactly that way about their lack of father.
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If the child is loved, what’s the problem who, how or why?
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Exactly.
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This is a very difficult question to answer because it would seem by saying that I would never make the decesion that Nicky has made I am criticising her and I don’t want to. The part that I would never do isn’t have a baby by myself its doing it in my mid-40′s – that I would never do. It’s hard, hard work. It’s tiring when you are young. I can hardly imagine what it would be like chasing two small children in opposite direction when I’m 50. However, we are strong creatures and I am sure that Nicky will cope. You do what you have to do with kids – you don’t get a choice. What I do hope is that single women who are in their 30′s who read this article take away the message that if your’re going to do this – do it, but just don’t wait too long – you don’t want to be the mum who is too exhausted to play.
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I had two babies in my 40s (42 and 45) naturally. Like any mum I get tired but no more than the mums I know who are 10+ years older than me. I felt like you in my 20s and 30s about having babies in my 40s, but you know what, I don’t know any different. Sometimes things don’t work out exactly as you want and it can still turn out OK. I’m sure Nicky will be fine.
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This is by no means directed solely at Nicky.
I find the idea of anonymous donor eggs/sperm quite scary for a few reasons, firstly, I believe every person has the fundamental right to know who their biological parents are. Then there’s the genetic issues – a child will have no idea of their family’s genetic history, so there’s no way of tracing diseases or knowing if you’re at a greater risk for certain diseases. They also won’t be able to undergo genetic counselling when trying to have their own children. And what if in the future they unknowingly meet a half-sibling and have children, there could be so many genetic and emotional complications.
As for older parents, I understand the desire to have children and that sometimes life just doesn’t work out and you don’t meet someone etc. And I’m sure older mothers are amazing and can give their children great lives. BUT I think there’s a cut-off point where it becomes a selfish desire by the adult without thinking about the consequences for the children. Should a 20 year old have to deal with a parent in their mid-60s and the health problems that come with that when they’ve got their own lives to deal with (especially in the case of a single mum with no partner)?
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Chelsea,
ALL the donors…egg and sperm, are put through rigorous testing prior to being able to donate. Their backgrounds and any diseases, genetic or otherwise have to be disclosed. The sperm are quarantined for six months before they are able to be used as a donor and the women have to be counseled.
What happens to women who get pregnant after a one night stand? They have NO idea what sort of background the biological father has!
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But rigourous testing at the time of donation isn’t enough. Let’s say, completely hypothetically, someone has a daughter via egg/sperm donor, pre-tests were all clear etc. But later down the tract the biological mother develops breast cancer, and it’s discovered that a gene which predisposes to breast cancer runs through her family (this wasn’t know at the time of donation), the daughter will have no idea. Or the biological father has a history of severe mental illness in his family, if the children then display developmental or emotional problems either as a child or later as an adult, there is no way they can tract their family history, and diagnosis and treatment could be affected. There are so many issues which could come to light later down the tract and there will be absolutely no way for the child to find any information.
I take your point about one night stands, but there is the possibility of finding them. With anonymous donations, there is no way of ever finding the biological parents and that doesn’t sit well with me (for ethical reasons as well genetic).
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People had children before genetic testing. And diseases and bad things happen regardless of genes, too.
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But what if the children develop diseases or illnesses because they just do? My great grandmother lived to 106. Her daughter died from melanoma in her 80s. My Mum, Dad and Stepmother are all in their 60s and still working and don’t have any health issues that impact on us in terms of “dealing with them”. What do you think people in their mid-60s do? Just stop being healthy and have a bunch of diseases come on all of a sudden?
Just because the options you mentioned are there doesn’t make them foolproof. I don’t know anyone who had genetic counselling when pregnant, for example, and I know a lot of older first time parents.
You’re suggesting a bunch of extreme what ifs. Are you suggesting that if one’s partner had a family history of mental illness or breast cancer that there should be no breeding with them?? How absurd.
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Kris2040, please don’t put words in my mouth and suggest that ethical issues are absurd.
I NEVER suggested people shouldn’t have children because of diseases running through the family, but as someone who comes from a family with a variety of serious physical and mental illnesses, and have lost family members in tragic circumstances, we’re all aware that we need to be vigilant, and sometimes change our behaviour, and seek medical help early. Of course this didn’t happen in the past – but medicine and science have come a long way and we now have the ability to detect and treat illnesses earlier and more effectively.
And aside from all these medical issues (which are not extremes Kris2040, just because you’ve not experienced them doesn’t mean they don’t occur and are more common than you think). There’s the issue of meeting a half-sibling and possibly having children. Yes the chances are minute, but it has happened, and it has really serious emotional and genetic implications.
And furthermore, even if you don’t think any of these medical ethical issues are important. I certainly think that knowing one’s biological parents is a fundamental right. Nicky, and other women, are not in a situation where they’ve accidentally fallen pregnant and so their children won’ t know their fathers. These women are specifically creating lives which are in no way genetically related to them and purposely using methods where there is NO WAY of EVER finding the biological parents. That to me is the really serious issue here. Purposely creating life, yet not taking responsibility of the repercussions this will have on the children.
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I didn’t put words in your mouth. I asked a question.
Just because things have happened doesn’t make them common either, you know.
I still think you’re being very extreme about it and I think you’re completely underestimating people who take this route’s ethics and their own ethical dilemmas about doing it.
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I personally worry about the eeffects for the children. I can’t imagine the idea of wondering who you descended from. I have no doubts that Nicky will be an amazing mum. I guess all these scientific advances just scare me. One day can we grow a baby in a factory??( ok bit dramatic
). I would be really curious to hear the psychological impacts on the kids born from this type of pregnancy later in life??
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Im sorry but what you are saying i think is very inappropriate.. Young ladies know that it is harder to get pregnant when your older. But the way you are “advertising” this to get pregnant earlier is terrible! as it is saying that its ok to be a “young mum” which is fine if you are in your 20′s but the way you are talking about it on the radio is promoting being a young mum is fine, is easy.. when its really not. i dont mean to be rude but there is more to life then being a mum especially when you are in your 20′s or even teens which you are basiclly saying its ok on the radio
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Jess, from a biological perspective, getting pregnant in your 20s is not only ok, but actually preferable. Not all young ladies know that its harder to get pregnant when you’re older, but with education and “advertising” are becoming more aware of that fact.
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No one has “advertised” that a woman should get pregnant in her 20s.
20 year olds may know it gets more difficult to become pregnant as they get older, but they don’t believe it’ll happen to them. If I knew then what I do now, I would have looked into egg or embryo freezing so I had a safety net.
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Interesting comment you made Nicky (interesting article altogether actually) and I have a genuine question for you, as you say, knowing what you know now & with the benefit of hindsight.
I’m in my early 30s and single for now. I’ve no plans to ‘do’ anything this year, or next year but I have been mentally debating my ‘back up’ options if I don’t meet a suitable partner in the next few years.
Either:
1. wait a few years then just conceive via sperm donor and have a baby at say 35/36ish, OR
2. egg freezing in the chance I meet someone rather than be a single parent. Otherwise if still don’t meet a partner/husband baby at say 38/39ish, carry a baby from frozen eggs/embyros.
I am interested in your opinion which you’d choose and why. I am thinking and planning now so if I am single later on I’ll be prepared financially, as well as clear minded and informed.
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Hi lala, while you’re deciding, maybe you’d find it useful to get an AMH test? Anti-mullerian hormone). It costs $60, just a blood test, and it tells you what your egg reserves are like. Might help you think about future directions…
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I am incredibly conflicted by this. First of all, I am assuming this post is to spark debate around this issue not to attack nikki or her choices personally, and so it is on this is the basis I write this. In our modern world you have every right to tell anyone to mind their own business and to scorn others judgement. I imagine I would do the same. However. I’m not sure anyone should be able disregard laws that were made in the country you live, when they were made to protect the rights of the child. When you talk about donors being allowed to make unlimited donations in America and to do so anonymously you suggest within your article that this is a far better state of affairs than in Australia. I would disagree. I would argue Australia’s laws were made with a strong focus on the rights of the unborn child, using our historical knowledge around the effects of closed adoptions and the social impact on a person disallowed from knowing their biological roots. These children will have access to neither paternal or maternal history. These decisions are made with the adults rights, needs and the desire for fulfilment as a parent as the focus, albeit strong in the knowledge they can financially, socially and emotionally provide a wonderful life for the children they will create. I don’t blame you personally, to be a mother is a deep and life changing need. In a wider debate I just question the effectiveness of our laws if anyone can by pass them, disregard the basis on which they were made and just buy what you need from abroad. From woman to woman I wish you happiness and health for you and your children. When I think of children born in these sorts of circumstances, I hope the majority can ignore the pull to know their biological identity, an emotion that is there for all of us, because let’s face it they won’t have any choice in the matter.
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I bypassed Australian law to have children with the help of a gestational surrogate. The fact is that Australia was a world leader in IVF but has not kept pace with the laws in other countries. My first child was conceived after four years of trying, he was a twin but his twin died in utero. I was in hospital for half the pregnancy and he was resuscitated at birth. We then tried to adopt a second child but were too old according to Australian law. So we went to California and had beautiful twin girls. I make no apologies for my choice. Australia can learn a lot from other countries and save many people both money and heartache.
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Good luck & I hope all goes well for you & your babies.
Regarding the comments on her age – this is a bit morbid but having a baby while young does not mean you will always be around.
A school friend fathered 5 kids in his 20′s & was killed by a drunk driver before he turned 30..
A friend had her first child at age 20 & second at age 23. She was killed in a car crash at age 26.
My cousin had her 3 boys before the age of 30 & died of cancer at age 43.
They did the ‘right’ thing & had kids young but their kids all had to deal with the death of a parent while they were little.
Her twins may be 30+ before they have to deal with the death or health decline of their mum.
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Don’t take exceptions as the rule. It’s mathematically and logically flawed.
The simple facts are that this woman will be the age of a grandmother when her kids are born, and will be elderly (eligible for the old age pension and single parent pension at the same time!), when her kids are at high school.
Good luck with that.
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So? My dad was 50 when my sister was born and is 69 now. Nobody ever raised an eyebrow at that at all. HEAPS of men father babies in their forties, fifties, sixties and beyond. How is Nicky’s situation any different? Double standards much, anon? GRRR! And I bet you’re a woman. Nothing like rubbishing your own team!
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I never hear ppl up in arms over men’s ages and ‘ageing dads’!
Rupert Murdoch 72 when his youngest daughter was born. At her 18th he will be 91. Jim Clark was 67, Russell Skelton was 65.
I am not saying it is either right or wrong – but don’t hear anyone’s gums flapping over this.
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Why are there so many comments about older women “preparing their body for menopause”? You make it sound like a disease you will catch and must get ready for. Menopause occurs at different ages for every woman and has vastly different symptoms. If you are healthy and able to have children, you should be able to do so at any age.
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Great news after what sounds like an epic struggle/wait – congratulations! Now, let the games begin!
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Now that I have had a baby (my first, at age 36), and have gotten to experience how awesome they are over the past 12 months (I know, I’m a late bloomer, I didn’t understand the fuss until a few years ago), I am thrilled that you have had the resiliance to overcome the various obstacles and have been able do this Nicky !! I also know that people are vastly different. At 45 you may well be fitter and healthier that me at 36, or than a 25 year old. It’s very exciting. Congratulations and very best wishes to you and your babies. I would love to hear how you’re all getting on when they’re ‘out’
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Hi Nicky
I just wanted to say that I think your little boys will be so blessed to have such an intelligent Mumma and they will feel so loved and wanted. What more could a kid want?!
I was born 26 years ago as a result of my Mum yearning for a baby and getting a sperm donor. I have no idea who my father is. Sometimes I have wondered what it would be like to have a Dad and have occasionally felt like I was missing out (especially around Fathers Day when I was at school). But to be honest it really didn’t matter – I have a Mum who loves me more than anything and lots of aunties, uncles and cousins to make up my big family. I might be missing out on somethings bad but I have a friend who doesn’t speak to her Dad and another who lost his Mum to cancer so I guess you can’t always have it all – even if it starts out that way.
Your determination is an inspiration, good luck and enjoy your new Mumma status!
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Thank you…you’re not “broken” then, are you?
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I don’t think I’m broken!
I guess it’s like the saying ‘you don’t miss what you’ve never had’ (or something like that!) My normal is just my Mum and I – and I am grateful for her love for me every day.
xxx
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Now that I have had a baby (my first, at age 36), and have gotten to experience how awesome they are over the past 12 months (I know, I’m a late bloomer, I didn’t understand the fuss until a few years ago), I am thrilled that you have had the resiliance to overcome the various obstacles and have been able do this Nicky !! I also know that people are vastly different. At 45 you may well be fitter and healthier that me at 36, or than a 25 year old. It’s very exciting. Congratulations and very best wishes to you and your babies. I would love to hear how you’re getting on when they’re ‘out’
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I had a friend who went down this same path; she had chosen the sperm donor and had already had a couple of cycles. Then, totally randomly, she got pregnant to her casual f-buddy. He’d already said he wasn’t prepared to be a dad and so they split up (although the relationship hadn’t really gotten far enough for that).
Now, all she does is bitch about this bloke who dumped her and her baby, totally ignoring that she is in exactly the position she wanted to be in, except that now she gets child support, her daughter knows and spends time with her dad and her bank balance is fatter to tune of several IVF cycles.
Sheesh. No pleasing some people.
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That’s not ok behaviour in my book. Nobody should be forced into parenthood. I wonder if the contraception failed or it was something else?
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Wow! I remember reading about you Nicky, here, when her journey started a few yeas ago. Congratulations on your healthy pregnancy with 2 babies!
Best wishes for to you and your babies for the rest of the pregnancy and birth. They are 2 very blessed little babies who has a mum who wanted them so much. Rest up now before they’re born!
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Nicky, I’m so happy for you. You will be a great mother, and no kids will be more loved. You go, girl !…….
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Thanks Fendy…I’m penciling you in to be a virtual uncle
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Congratulations Nicky. I wish your family of three nothing but health & happiness x
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Oh Nicky you have inspired me. I too want to go down the same pathway. I am 47 single & childless. Hearing you say no doctor has told you that your age was not against you is like music to my ears. I will look at the process today and start taking action so I too can have a family as a single woman.
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Thank you…I don’t know where you live, but if you’d like any information about my fertility Dr or where I went in Athens, contact me through my blog and I’ll be happy to provide it to you x
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SO exciting!!
Cannot wait until their first birthday – or their “0″ birthday!!!
Halfway so the countdown is on!
You look amazing – wish I looked like that when I was pregnant!
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I’m trying to put my finger on why this all makes me feel uncomfortable and then I realised… My mum will be a 48 year old grandma to my first child next year. There is no way I could imagine her raising newborns. But good luck to you! If it’s what you really want then you will make it work
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I would love to have another child but separated earlier this year. I have very briefly thought about sperm donation but am hesitant to bring a child into this world, not at least knowing who their biological father is. I’ve heard of many stories where a child or probably more so grown adult feels lost and unsure of their place in the world. Nicky, have you thought about what will happen and what you will tell them if the answer that they were very wanted and are very loved is not enough? Also how you would cope with them creating bonds with their biological parents at some point? If that is not too impertinent, I am simply working things out in my head too.
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Both donors are anonymous, so the kids won’t be able t contact them. I’m sorry if it’s not enough, but it’s the truth…I did this because I REALLY wanted to have them.
I have friends whose husbands left and never returned. The children knew eir Dad and then he was gone and has been, in all cases, for over 10 years. They have had to readjust to life without him and are fine.
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And I think that’s what a lot of people have an issue with. You did this because YOU really wanted a child, but by having children using this method you are denying them the right to know who their biological parents are…I find that a little selfish.
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Chelsea, using your logic, she is actually giving life to children who would otherwise never have been born. Wouldn’t it be more selfish to have never given the gift of life in the first place?
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I don’t know if you can really know if they are fine until they are young adults. I’m a woman whose father wasn’t around after age 12. I was fine for about 10 or 12 years but after 24/25 I started to reflect about my relationships and thoughts on men. I realised I truly was affected by his absence unlike my female friends whose dads have always been there and taken part in their upbringing. Also, kids often seem “just fine” for their single mothers’ sake (they can be brave in being very intuitive and tune in to mum) but inside it hurts like hell and they feel abandoned.
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But in this case the children will not sense abandonment as the parent that yearned for them is still around!!!
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how can you know what they will / won’t feel?
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I do not know how they would feel, but if they know the circumstances of their conception there is no issue of abandonment by the father as he was not there in the first place. BIG difference to the child who is aware that their father knowingly left.
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Ladybug – I was really responding to Nicky’s asserion that her single mother friend’s kids are ‘just fine’. That shouldn’t be assumed – it is actualyl rather dangerous to.
Regardless fo differeing circumstances – Nicky’ kids may not be abandoned, but don’t be certain they won’t feel a certain absence or loss, whether a dad (or biological mum) was present originally or not. That may not come up for her sons until they become parents themselves.
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