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If you missed 60 minutes last night you might just have missed some rather uncomfortable footage.  Mums that smack their children. And make no apologies for doing so. Some of the vision was distressing but both mothers argued that smacking works for them and their children. They also say it’s their right to discipline their children.

Michael Usher from 60 Minutes writes:

smacking 60 minutes To smack or not to smackWe started looking at this story earlier this year when a leading Australian Paediatrician called for smacking to be made illegal. Thirty two countries have gone down this path and Dr Gervase Chaney believes the time has come for Australia to address the issue, and ban smacking.

Dr Chaney is the head Paediatrician for the Royal Australasian College of Physicians. He’s pushing the College to take a stand and lobby the government for laws to ban parents smacking their children. He argues smacking is the same as hitting, and we don’t tolerate anyone hitting or striking another person in any other section of society, so why do we think it’s reasonable to smack children?

Dr Chaney can quote any number of studies that have looked at the long-term effects of smacking on children, including some that say smacking is a form of child abuse.

And in some cases, the most extreme, smacking goes beyond a light slap. The worst of parents, who argue they’re just smacking their children for discipline, are in fact beating the hell out of them. And that’s why most of the laws around the world have been introduced; to stop the genuine physical abuse of children.

But any new law would make smacking illegal, full stop, because it’s so hard to define what a smack is.

Katharine Cook is a child and family psychologist, she has previously written about the “excuses” we give as to why we smack our children and why they are all wrong. She writes in part:

1. “It’s the only thing that works with my child”. Physical discipline doesn’t work. It merely creates fear and causes upset.  A vast amount of good research shows that smacking is not as effective as other techniques. Behaviour change is ineffective when brought about by fear, it is temporary at best and it teaches the child a whole lot more about how adults manage their emotions, than about the behaviour the parent is trying to control.

2. My child is difficult….he doesn’t respond to time out ….he needs a good smack.” If a child has loving caring parents, this excuse doesn’t stack up. I have spent years working with children who have conduct disorders and are really challenging. No expert believes those children are best dealt with by physical punishment, our research tells us otherwise. Often the most difficult children need tighter boundaries, need to learn that they are valuable and need to be hugged more often. Smacking will not help your child become less difficult and a more caring and thoughtful human.

3. “Smacking never did me any harm.” So maybe you survived childhood despite being driven around without wearing child restraints and you were OK that time that Dad was drunk and drove you home. But we have so much information that tells us that what we believed to be harmless in the past may not be so now.  With new information about alternatives to smacking, people should try to change their behaviour, especially those who are well educated. Why stick to old methods? Our parents and grandparents didn’t have the wealth of information about child development and child psychology available to them, they didn’t have any alternatives. We do.

4. “Smacking is a quick and easy method.” Since when is parenting meant to be quick and easy? Good parenting is time consuming, it takes perseverance. Teaching children to say please and thank you takes years. Smacking them on the back of the legs is not going to ensure that they don’t run onto a road after a runaway ball. Discipline takes time and effort- there is never an easy answer.

5. “Smacking teaches them right from wrong.” How on earth can we expect children to play with other children without hitting each other, if we as adults, teach them with smacks and slaps? How can we expect children to grow up and believe that physical violence is not the best method for resolving conflict, if this is how mum and dad deal with being angry and cross? Children learn how to behave from observing their parents actions and behaviour.

6. “You can’t reason with a child.” Children are not stupid and they do respond to reason. We know this from studies of child development. The argument that children need to be taught a quick lesson that they can understand should be dismissed as quickly as the olden day argument about wives needing to be taught a lesson and kept in their place by violence. Time out done properly is time consuming. It takes a whole lot of patience to contend with a child who has clobbered his sibling for the thirtieth time. It is annoying to wait for the child to sit still. It is uncomfortable to have to get down on the floor to be at the child’s eye level. It is frustrating to wait for the child to explain what they did wrong. And it is boring to wait for the child to apologise, especially if you know that you’ll have to repeat the whole process over and over again.

7. “Children have too many rights these days.”Do women have too many rights? Or Indigenous people? It’s a nonsense argument that was used in the past to keep less powerful people in their place. Children are not going to take over! They will always be our most vulnerable members of society.

So if you say “it hurts me, more than it hurts them”, then reconsider. Hitting, smacking and slapping a child hurts you because of guilt. Many parents know that there are better less violent options and fell terrible that they have hurt a person that they love. Parents smack because they are upset and haven’t been able to think of another option. It’s a reaction that comes from anger. I’m sure many people would love to smack another adult sometimes, but most don’t because they have learnt strategies for managing their anger. Therefore for those who don’t routinely smack their colleagues, or become physically violent towards strangers, it is possible for you to learn to manage anger and use alternatives to smacking.

What can parents do instead?

1. Don’t react immediately. Lock yourself in the bathroom for one minute while the initial anger fades and so you can think of another rational way of dealing with the situation.

2. Learn about the correct way of using time out (or variations of time out), either to diffuse the situation or remove your child from what they are doing.

3. Use logical consequences for children’s difficult behaviour.

4. Hug your child and remind them that you know that they are tired/upset/cross and keep hugging until they calm down.

5. Ignore the less serious difficult behaviour. Pick your battles.

6. Reward them for getting things right- and name what they are doing correctly so they want to do it again.

7. Have a “No Hitting anyone” rule. If a child is told that mum and dad don’t hit each other or hit the children, then “no hitting your sibling” makes much more sense to them.

One day smacking will be unlawful in Australia and parents will not believe they have a right to harm their child. As people now stand by the need for women to be safe in their own homes, so will people protect children from harm in the future. Any sort of harm. Even a gentle slap.”

Katharine Cook is a Child and Family Psychologist who works with people to manage complex issues and solve problems creatively.

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295 Comments so far

  1. Peggy

    I am strictly against smacking although my own convictions got tested when my toddler went through tantrumville. Yes, most of us turned out to be ok even if smacked as children BUT it breaks relationships (in addition to all the points above). I am yet to have met someone who has a close, harmonious and respectful relationship with a parent who smacked him/her!

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    • Marisa Vosloo

      You’re so right, Peggy!!!

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  2. Archy

    Interesting, so smacking is out and other methods are in. Parents are trading one form of abuse for another, physical for emotional. How is that better? Discipline tends to require some form of negativity, withdrawing or giving punishment, a light smack should not cause any damage or long term problems anymore than a mosquito bite would (for arguments sake there’s no malaria).

    Putting a child into a room against their wishes for instance is considering discipline, yet do that to an adult and it’s kidnapping/deprivation of liberty. Isn’t that the argument used against smacking? That you can’t do it to an adult?

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  3. Ian Matthews

    one day I was in the shopping centre at Penrith and i saw a mother smack her Child because her boy would not stop crying, because he wanted a bag of chips and the mother sed No. well i did some thing like that and my mother did the same to me and i am greatfull for it . childern get a way with it far too often thes days . so when i see a mother or a father smack there children I say good on ya theye need to know what is right and what is wrong !!!

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  4. taramx

    I feel a little uncomfortable reading this on mamamia. I don’t have children of my own so I can’t say how I feel about smacking my own. I certainly am against violence and don’t think I could ever be so harsh, however, I firmly believe that most children today are not disciplined and need some manner of punishment. I feel like this article is heavily opinionated. Maybe I need to go and do some research. I don’t know. I just am not into this generation of cotton will kids.

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  5. Hailey

    Complete rubbish. I will not believe that any individual or group of people know the dynamics of all parent child relationships. Every child is different, especially at that age. You can’t align this issue with adults.
    As for your alternatives?? Gosh if they are the only other options then god save the next generation.

    PS I’m a proud gen y gal, not a medieval old bag :D

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  6. Megan

    This is the issue I have – is ignoring your child for days, depriving them of affection, not going to do them more emotional harm than a single slap? I don’t believe I’m pro-smacking, but it concerns me that the ‘silent treatment’ might be used in its place.

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  7. Ryan of QLD

    As a parent of 3 young children I believe this whole non-smacking argument is bordering on ridiculous. My wife and I have found ourselves in the difficult situation of raising kids that were born very close together with little to no family support. We had been unable to manage in the mornings and to get off to work and the situation has put my career on hold. We both now work part time to manage and have had little choice but to smack. We love our kids and wish this wasn’t the case but in reality kids together below the age of 3 simply do not listen to you. You can reason and put kids on the naughty spot all you like but generally they will not respect you or naturally behave themselves. We’ve also observed other families with multiple young children who suffer similar problems and can only struggle waiting for the nightmare to end. Our eldest is now 4 and is an absolute delight to be around, she no longer needs a smack and can be reasoned with but below this age I’m afraid there can be little other choice. I also want to mention that we built and moved in to a new house just after the youngest was born. I have had to repaint 60% of the walls due the destructive and filthy nature of young children. I would hate to think how much more damage would have been done without a smack every now and again.(Especially when we found our daughter trying to drink floor cleaning chemicals more than once.) I also agree with with some of the comments below about the level of naughty kids in school getting away with murder. Eventually we’ll reach a point where school teachers refuse to teach grades 1 and 2 (I know I certainly wouldn’t if I was a teacher). And if Britain is anything to go by we’re just going to end up with a generation of hopeless people who don’t know consequences, go in and out of prison, don’t work and bludge off their parents well beyond the age of 30. There will just be a longer list of Aussies waiting to put their teenagers on to the show – Worlds Strictest Parents to have them straightened out. I could go on and on about this subject as I feel a lot of these child psychologists who say smacking our children is damaging them are just trying to justify their own pay packets. In no way to I condone child abuse but you might as well get yourself dog a psychologist for pooch while your at it as pooping on the lawn might be destructive to their personalities too.

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  8. Betsy

    Before becoming a parent I didnt have too much of an opinion on smacking. We were smacked as children but Mum always said it was to make us stop or when were about to do something dangerous, seemed reasonable. Since becoming a parent my husband and I have realized that smacking is about us as parents our emotions and our loss of control. When we are beyond frustrated, tired, fed up, frightened, angry or generally not able to cope as usual.

    Why should my child be smacked for something today because I am exhausted, when yesterday in the same situation I was able to ignor or talk them through it. I am the adult and I am going to lead by example, teach my child how to manage their own emotions because I can manage mine. I have better and more effective strategies than smacking.

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  9. Andrea

    First it’s smacking..Next it will be our right to abortion. So women can still kill an unborn child, but we can’t discipline them once we have them. SIT DOWN & TALK TO THEM..I DON’T THINK A 2 YEAR OLD CAN RATIONALISE DEATH..so when they jump out in front of a car they will get smacked on the bottom.(AND YES I WAS HOLDING THEIR HAND & THEY STRUGGLED FREE) .first for frightening me to death & secondly to remember that if they do it again they will cop a smack. I am not talking about a beating that puts them in hospital. U CAN OUTLAW SMACKING ALL U WANT..THOSE CHILD ABUSERS ARE STILL GOING TO KILL THEIR CHILDREN!!!!!My children don’t fear me because they can’t even remember the last time they were smacked..My child came home once & was shocked someone elses mother had used a wooden spoon on them and asked if I had every smacked THEM..I said yes when THEY WERE younger not for just (BEING NAUGHTY) where I lost control, but for doing dangerous things that might cause a broken bone or stitches. When I was a child, there were 2 out of 30 naughty kids in class. My daughter comes back home & says now there are 28 of 30 naughty kids in class. YOU DO THE MATHS!!!

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  10. fifi-lulu

    Whilst I agree smacking is awful, there is a time and a place for it.

    My heart goes out to this mother who lost her 4 year old as he ran across the main street in a popular country town to reach his father. A yank and a smack may have prevented such a tragic event.

    Full article is at: http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/south-australia/child-critically-injured-in-car-crash-at-port-elliot/story-e6frea83-1226321490916

    P.S. Anyone who says they have NEVER smacked their child is a liar. Even a tap on the bum or across their hand is a smack. The worst offenders of this grand statement are MILs/grandmas with foggy memories.

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    • ANON

      You can’t really believe that? There are billions of people in the world and you’re saying there would be no one anywhere who could say they’ve never hit their child? Well I’m a 36 year old Mum of two (7 year old girl, 2 year old boy) and I have NEVER hit either. I just needed to point out how ridiculous your statement is, I truly don’t care if you believe me or not.

      Also, the idea that smacking a child would stop them from hurting themselves by being impulsive and not listening is equally ridiculous. Spending adequate time teaching your child to listen to you, understand consequences and learn which areas are dangerous are techniques far more likely to stop tragedies like that occurring.

      God I can’t believe the unintelligent comments on this thread…

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  11. Anonymous

    Legal precedents suggest that parents are authorized to use force to discipline children as long as it is within reason and proportionate to their age

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  12. blu-k

    I was smacked as a child and don’t remember it … but I do remember my 6-years-younger brother being threatened with being smacked, and me and my older sister arguing till we were blue in the face for my mum not to do it.

    So there must have been something there for us to know we felt it was wrong and that my brother should be protected. I think it only happened a few times and only once did my mum not relent and actually smack him …

    But if the wild kids on SuperNanny can learn to behave without smacking then I think any kid can.

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  13. Jess Bath

    I have to say my opinion of this has changed over the years. I’m 25 now and for years I was one who wholeheartedly agreed with smacking. I was smacked and I personally have no effect from this today. My argument was “I was smacked and I turned out fine.”

    I now realise that the “I was *insert 70′s 80′s 90′s occurrence here* and I turned out fine” is not a very intelligent argument.

    It’s called evolution, we now know a lot more then we did 20 or 30+ years ago. 30 or 40 years ago it was still acceptable for a husband to use violence to control a spouse. We now know this is not ok and any form of physical or emotional control is abuse. I don’t see that hitting a child for discipline or to get your point across is any different.

    The biggest problem is people are immediately reacting with a smack without thinking. Take yourself away from the situation for a moment and regroup before you react. If it is a matter of safety or life or death I still don’t think an instant response should be a smack, a raised voice and/or explanation should suffice. My dad never hit me, ever, but his raised voice was enough to scare the beejeezus out of me.

    The problem with the definition of a light smack is that everyone has a different idea of what that is. Who is to say your definition of light is the same as someone else? I’m not saying that your child should rule the roost and not be disciplined, quite the opposite. They should know who the adult is I just think there are other ways to get across a point it then smacking.

    From reading these comments a lot seem to say “I remember being smacked but not what for” and I have to agree. The only time I specifically remember a punishment was when I snuck out to a party and mum had to collect me when the police cleared it for being too noisy. She didn’t yell (or smack) in fact she didn’t speak to me until the next day(so much worse then yelling or smacking) and was so incredibly disappointed with me that I felt so bad for lying, I never lied to her about where I was going again. Lesson learnt.

    I guess my final thought is, YOU may be able to control yourself with a light smack but I bet a lot of people can’t or don’t realise they aren’t in control so I understand why other countries have banned it.

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  14. Ilovemymum but...

    I saw this program on Sunday and was horrified. I have no children but the sight of that Brisbane mother screaming at her children, threatening them with physical punishment and eventually delivering on that threat brought tears to my eyes.

    As a child I was smacked – sometimes I’m certain my mother thought I deserved it and other times (even as a youngster) I could see the regret in her eyes. The realization that she had lost control. That look in her eyes tormented me more than the smack itself. Could I really drive my mother to the brink of desperation? It gutted me. Made me feel unloved and a burden.

    As I grew into my teenage years the smacks continued, except now they were across the fave. I have a scar on my eyebrow from a knife that was thrown at me as my mother lost her temper (perhaps not at me but at the stresses of the day) and I have memories of climbing under a kitchen bench for safety only to have my mother grab my collar and push my head into the bench repeatedly in frustration. Looking back I feel that my mother suffered (and suffers) from manic depression and I’ve pleaded with both her and dad for her to get help but to no avail. To this very day my mum claims it was never more than a ‘smack’ or mild ‘tap’ and that I deserved it and it never hurt me. I beg to differ…

    I has taken years to get to a place where I can have a relationship with my mum. Years to forgive and even now I’m not sure I have entirely. I love my mum and we are now quite close but discussing the past and those smacks needs to remain off limits if I wish to continue the quality of the relationship we have now.

    I can’t help but wonder if someone had introduced a law that required mum to think more before she raised her hand, then perhaps our relationship would be stronger now and I wouldn’t flinch everytime something catches me by surprise (a tickle, a big hug or a sudden movement). If there was a law against smacking (and I remember crying as 10 year old wishing there was) then perhaps my mum would have locked herself in the bathroom for a minute, calmed down and realized that she needed some outside help. As a law abiding member of society – I’m certain my mum would have refrained from smacking us.

    I’m afraid that my brother and sister have bought into my parent’s theory that a smack is a great lesson but as for me, I will never so much as raise my hand to strike my dog for eating my herb garden let alone my child for doing anything.

    How can you teach your child that violence is not the answer, when as a parent, you resort to violence to teach a lesson? Choldren’s minds are like sponges and the first people they learn love from is their

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    • Delly

      Wow :(

      So much food for thought. It’s a massive and quite difficult issue.

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  15. Haylee

    I’m about to have a baby soon and I was appalled to hear what the mother in law had to say about discipline when I was about 7 weeks pregnant. She said the following:

    - “Humans are a violent race so smacking is just natural”

    - “I scoff at people who try to use stupid alternative methods smacking is the only way.”

    AND THEN THIS ONE:

    - “You watch, you’ll be doing it don’t worry about that!”

    Now that made me mad. I disagreed with everything she said. I couldn’t believe how old fashioned that conversation was!

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    • Anon

      Don’t leave her alone with your child…

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      • Haylee

        My thoughts exactly…

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    • Nessy

      I can say I have never smacked belted or any form of violence. I was abused as a child and smacked to learn lessons or coz my brother lied got me into trouble. I made a promise I would do it different and NOT to hit my children. Well now i am 38 a grandmother 2x with my eldest daughter who lives with her father who let her have sex under his roof since she was 13yrs old in a room next to his so he could hear everything…..my other two children teens now are steeling, liers, coz trouble with me and my partner. REMINDER: I have nor has any1 else smacked my children. They dont listen they dont follow boundries even when you give them xtra rope. Now 90% of children think they have the power and back up of the police, one of my children rang the police on me coz I grounded her for her bad grades at school. I got the belt for any bad grades. The teachers have no controll, they give detention the kids split or say big deal. Smacking is a tecq that needs to be done and from an early age. You can tell a young child it is dangerous to run out on the road till your blue in the face but they still going to do it coz they see NO conciquences at the time….untill it is too late. Children can not make Adult choises but the DO make choises witch will lead to good or bad in their futures, with no conciquences and no fears they will not do good.

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  16. Emma

    As a child, I was smacked maybe 2 or three times in total. I was pretty well behaved and learnt quickly what the right way to behave was. Not out of fear, I just didn’t see the point of getting in trouble.

    However, I was slapped by my father on one occasion on the face. I was about 12 or 13 at the time and he considered something I had said “lippy”. I don’t remember being upset about it at the time. He never did it again. However it is something which has stayed with me over time. I have a great relationship with my dad now (I’m 24), but the shame of someone doing this to you is hard to forget.

    I do not have kids yet but have considered that I would leave smacking as a last resort. And never, ever near the face.

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  17. Jpop

    In fear of being textually egged, I agree with a rare smack around the backside, depending on the circumstances. For the hair-splitters out there, I define smacking as an open palmed, gentle slap on the bottom, given only in extreme situations where regular disciplinary measures (time-out, privilege withdrawal, groundings etc)fail. Around there will be times they DO fail. Those congratulating themselves for taking a strong stance on not smacking their children, that’s great, really. It’s your choice to parent your child in the way you believe to be right. It’s not your right to tar those who occasionally impart a swift one on the rare occasion with the brush of a child abuser. Look into child abuse, how it is defined; there are pressing issues beyond a smacking that warrant more attention. The self-righteous tone of some of these comments shocks me.

    Comparisons of domestic violence and torture, unable to differentiate between an open palm and the brutality of a belt, lashed over and over again.

    Because suddenly, a spank is in the same boat as a man spouting vitriol at his partner, laying the boot in while she cries on the floor or fights back. Or waterboarding, thumbscrews, temperature control…does that make Time-Out solitary confinement? You’re torturing your children! There seems to be the assumptions that the smacker is an angry being, uncontrolled. I think you’ll find such a description is the exception. There have been many comments on here that explore the same kind of memories I have, without responses. The rare smacking Mum/Dad who only administered the palm punishment in the most extreme of circumstances, in a calm and effective way. She explained why, my behaviour and the ultimate consequence after ignoring all other measures. I never did it again and bloody hell did I deserve it. She never withheld love or night time cuddles; personally, I think THAT is more harmful, along with verbal abuse and gesticulation, than a quick sting that fades quickly.

    Nanny state breeding a nanny society, way to perpetuate the Mummy (and Daddy) Wars, guys! When people ask me why I’m not having children, it’s this. Too many should I/ shouldn’t I dichotomies to pull parents into guilt trips and question everything they do.

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    • Gnat

      The thing is Jpop I can tell the difference between an open palm slap and a belt, as I was hit with both as a child and I am emphatically still opposed to both. You say that it is the parents right to parent their child how they see fit, that is true to an extent but what you have to remember is that we don’t ‘own’ our children and as such there are measures in society that ensure their rights are protected. Banning smacking is just an extension of those rights to ensure non harm. The problem in not making a blanket ban on smacking is to do with the issue of measurement of extremes. One parent’s idea of light punishment may really be deemed as excessive by the greater community. How do you measure that? It is impossible. You state that a smack as a child didn’t affect you and that is great but that is not true of every child. Just read some of the comments below of people who say that smacking as a child actually did affect them in a negative way. If you willfully choose to ignore these people’s experience because it doesn’t sit with your world view on smacking, that quite frankly shocks me! Bans on smacking is to protect such children. It is so easy to throw around terms of nanny state when you don’t agree with a proposed law. Nanny state claims are a way for people to try and shut down important debate by labelling those trying to change the status quo as do gooders and wowsers. I however am in no way a wowser, totally believe in freedom of speech, non censorship etc. but i will happily take on the mantle of do gooding if it stops a child being subject to physical harm in the hands of their parents. In terms of your claims that it is just another topic in the mummy wars, any debate about the use of physical force on children is a debate that needs to be had. This is not about the rights of the parents as they are not the ones being hit, they are already protected by law in that regard. It is about the rights of the child that under our current legal system are not afforded the same protection.

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      • zac

        But what happens if i go away for 5 mins and calm down reason with my child and explain in a clam and kind manner why they are getting a smack? There is a fine line between discipline and abuse. Its up the parent every child is different. If i smack my child with an open palm that is completely different to belting them with a weapon. Time outs don’t work PERIOD. What is the consequence of leaving time out? Another time out? So my son leaves, then he is put back there and over and over again until its 3 hours later i’m still putting my kid back and hes still leaves. When my kid is 15 is he still going to be so well behaved because if he does not i’m going to put you in the naughty chair?

        The way i see it is this. If i am calm and not acting out of anger, i explain to my child you drew on the wall and you know that is wrong so you will get a smack. Then i explain that i do love my child and we don’t want our house to look messy. END OF STORY. we move on and don’t dwell on it any further. You smack your child not out of anger but so they remember not to do that again. So you do-gooders say no we can’t do that so we’ll put our child in there room with there tv, blu-ray, Xbox, face book. Kids today don’t respect anything! They expect tvs in rooms and cars and all sorts of material positions with out any sort of work for it. if i want to smack my child THAT’S MY BUSINESS NOT THE GOVERNMENT NOT YOU NOT GOODIE TWO SHOES MINE! If it wasn’t for ME where would my kid be? ill tell you… they would not exist. Child abuse is terrible. Smacking IS NOT i repeat NOT child abuse. kids today are rapped up in bubble rap. that is why there is allergy’s and sickness because god forbid little johnny or Susie plays in the mud, climbs a tree or actually has a normal child hood. where was nut allergy’s 30 yrs ago? Its things like hand sanitation that cause sickness because your child’s body cant build immune’s to the germs so when the do get fully exposed to the germs around they get sick.

        its people like the writer of this article and most of the commenters that will eventually have all kids in bubbles so nothing will harm them. its all part of life breaking bones and having fun as a child.

        The people below’s parents did not know when a smack was sufficient. learn this and the child abuse will be ended .

        I am 19 BTW a smack Never hurt me in fact i see a lot of my peers who hate there parents because they didn’t get that new iPhone for christmas when they have gone through more phones than most adults have.

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    • Megan

      Thank you Jpop, for your comment. I wholeheartedly agree with you, in particular that withholding love and affection does children more long-term harm than a light slap on the bottom. To reveal my position, I’m a mother of 2, aged 3 years and 8 months. My 3-year-old has been smacked (one light slap on the thigh or bottom) maybe three times. He’s received this punishment for behaviour that was dangerous either to himself or his baby sister, and only after other disciplinary measures had failed.

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  18. Kaz

    A student of mine has been telling me about how her mum hits her and leaves bruises. She starts describing how it affects her but then says “but I deserved it” and “she doesn’t mean to get so angry” and “please don’t tell anyone as I don’t want my mum to know I’ve told someone”. The student was diagnosed with depression recently, can’t study for her VCE and has thoughts of suicide.
    Try seeing things from a child’s point of view.

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    • cher

      If this child has bruises she is being abused and this needs to be reported. You do not have the option to respect her request not to tell, but are required by law to report this abuse. If you are a teacher (as I have assumed) you put your career at risk by keeping silent.

      Please report this – mandatory notification laws are in place to protect children.

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      • Kris2040

        No, her wishes to not report it must be abided by if she’s 16 or older. Even as a mandatory reporter you must abide by a young person’s wishes. If she’s VCE, that is senior high school, and that would be old enough, right Kaz?

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        • Emma

          In NSW schools, teachers are encouraged to report any suspicions to the principal. The principal gets the final decision in terms of how to act in a particular case. While she may be of senior school age, I would still report it to the principal. There may be something which can be done and as far as I am aware, being 16 or older or even 18 at school and legally an adult does not prohibit you from reporting your concerns.

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          • Kris2040

            Not according to what we were taught this year about mandatory reporting. I’m in NSW by the way – we were told that if there’s disclosure from a Young Person, you must abide by their wishes to not report. I’m sure there are ways around it, of course, but it’s not putting a career at risk to not report it if the kid is old enough and doesn’t want it reported.

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            • Emma

              That’s true but as a teacher, you can report it simply to the principal/welfare HT and they can keep an eye on the student and provide support if needed. Age should not bar someone from concern and assistance. As much as there may be regulations regarding age in mandatory reporting procedures, schools still have a duty of care towards ALL students.

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            • Anonymous

              In SA there is no option not to report. I’d assumed this would be the same Australia wide as the whole point of the laws is to protect kids from violent/abusive situations. I’d certainly check the law in Victoria Kaz. You might also want to consider whether you have a moral obligation to protect this child…

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  19. Me Myself I

    I have smacked my boy twice – one for running across a busy road and the other for writing on the back of the kitchen bench with an indelible texta (and yes it was hidden away and he climbed up the cupboard and on to the bench to sniff it out). The texta is still faintly there! I don’t apologize for these, he was very naughty. One of my prize memories as a child was my mum and the wooden spoon. Me and my brothers had a bath together up to a certain age, and we were mucking around and she hit the spoon on the side of the bath, the head of the spoon snapped off and twanged all around the bathroom. Boy did we laugh, and so did Mum!! She always had a spare though.

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  20. Ali

    So to those who smack what behaviour warrants a smack? If your child hits a sibling or another child I bet that deserves a smacK? Hmmm, punish a child for hitting by hitting them, that will clearly teach them right from wrong hey.

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    • Anon

      A rhetorical question setting up strawman argument. You really don’t help your cause Ali.

      Of course the 99.9% majority of smackers don’t teach their kids not to hit by hitting them. That would be idiotic. Why muddy an important debate with pointless comments that are streets away from what any of the ‘smackers’ actually think or do?

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  21. Anon

    Regarding the “my parents smacked me and I turned out fine” argument: I’m putting my hands up as one of the people who turned out to be absolutely not fine. And I wasn’t beaten up or choked or kicked, ‘just’ smacked. My relationship with the parent who smacked me is still deeply damaged.

    A lot of times that it happened, the parent who smacked me hadn’t seen the whole situation and jumped to conclusions. They’d clearly gotten into the habit of just relieving their anger immediately by smacking me, without knowing whether it was actually going to do me any “good”.

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  22. Anon

    Yeah, sorry, disagree.

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  23. J

    When my child ran on the road a few years and nearly got hit by a car I gave her a hard smack on the backside and screamed NO! and she never did it again. I would like to know something else that would have worked as effectively as that but I don’t think there is anything. My toddler is not going to listen to me reason with her and say “no darling that is the wrong thing to do lets take you to the naughty chair”. She needed to know it was wrong and straight away and in a way she could definitely understand and I stand by it and will do it again. I would prefer my child is alive and you can take me to court. I know other countries have made smacking against the law but I also think this is ridiculous. For a start its not going to stop child abuse because people who kill their children or seriously hurt them aren’t just going to stop because it is illegal. It also ties up the courts system and wastes time and money. It has not made child abuse in any of these countries go away. I believe a smack as a last resort is not wrong.

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    • Anonymous

      you could have taken advice from above…and locked yourself in the bathroom…

      What can parents do instead?

      1. Don’t react immediately. Lock yourself in the bathroom for one minute while the initial anger fades and so you can think of another rational way of dealing with the situation.

      haha what a joke!

      you did the right thing – I would have done the same too…

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    • Anonymous

      In these situations I understand the need to smack. However there is a line. Had you taken your belt off and smacked her, unacceptable! Obviously where there is danger, a light smack never hurt anyone. However the video doesn’t show a light smack and most parents that hit, do so out of anger.

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      • J

        Agree Anon I would not have taken my belt off and smacked her as that would have been child abuse. I did not watch the 60 mins story and my computer at home had a hard time playing the video so was only replying to the article which states that no smacking is acceptable and it should be against the law. I do not agree with this and i do believe there is a place for a smack on the backside under certain circumstances. I do not compare it to a husband doing that to his wife either as previous comments have stated because a wife does not need to be taught not to run on the road or do something life dangering such as put a knife in a power socket whereas a toddler does and it is my job to do this as a parent.

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  24. Anonymous

    I watched sixty minutes with my heart in my throat. It was hideous, the smacking the screaming the finger pointing all of it ! If we watched a video of a man doing that to a woman we would be outraged and call it abuse so why when it is directed at small children who cannot defend themselves is it any different ? It is absolutely appalling and should be illegal. All it does is relieve the parents anger , it does nothing to discipline the child. How tragic that in this day people still think this is an ok way to treat the most vulnerable people in our society !

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  25. Kerr

    Very, very uncomfortable viewing. I actually found the screaming right in their faces with the pointed finger had me flinching more than the actual smacking… Also, it didn’t seem to work did it, the kids weren’t bothered.

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    • Anon

      I agree with you. She was an extremely aggressive in your face type of mother, the smacking of her children was incidental to the bullying and finger pointing. Ugh.

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  26. Andrea

    Sooo…does anybody have any comments on “What is wrong with society these days????? Why are our teenagers more aggressive than ever if we are smacking less..I am sick of these do gooders carrying on..What are we supposed to do if your child bites, kicks, pulls hair and punches everybody he comes in contact with if you have never smacked him?? And holding him makes him even more frustrated and angry??? Oh that’s right? Ritalin..NOT EVERYBODY HAS ADD OR ADHD..SOME KIDS ARE JUST OUTRIGHT NASTY.

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    • Renee

      Hmmm, perhaps I’ve lived a sheltered life, but I’ve never come across a child like that before, other than on shows like Sixty Minutes. I live about 5 minutes from a high school and I’ve never come across any of these angry violent teenagers you speak of either. Perhaps I don’t get out much.

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      • Faybian

        Maybe you live in a fairly decent neighbourhood. A friend of mine is a high school teacher in a sh*tty area. She once visited a school elsewhere and later said how nice it was to walk to the office without being called a f*^+ing c#%t.

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        • Anonymous

          I think most of the badly behaved kids from the ‘shitty areas’ probably were smacked.

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          • Faybian

            I’d hazard a guess that a smack was probably the least of their worries. What do you think?

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    • JosiePie

      Kids should always be given the benefit of the doubt. They aren’t nasty, they’ve been brought up with poor role models.

      Give me those kids and I’ll have them sorted out in no time. WITHOUT HITTING THEM.

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      • Anonymous

        oh geez…seriously!!!
        and what would you do then???

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    • Anonymous

      Unless they are disabled, children behave like this because they have been TAUGHT to behave like that. It’s literally as simple as that. If they’re in a environment where they witness that behaviour, they will mimic it. Children are not nasty be nature, sadly they’re like sponges and soak up what is going on around them. If you hit your child, guaranteed, they will hit. Why? You’ve taught them hitting is acceptable when you’re angry.

      Working in the field of public health, I witness this constantly. Most people who grow up to abuse their wives grew up a homes where their father abused their mother and the kids. Sadly, most women who grew up in houses where there was DV, they usually end up married to someone who abuses them.

      While there is a smack and abuse, where so we say the line in the sand is? How do we chose who is effected and who isn’t? How do we decide what is acceptable force to hit someone with? When do we say you’ve gone too far? When there is a red mark? When there is a welt? When there is a bruise? When the child can’t sit down for days? Where do you draw the line?

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      • ANON

        I’ve got two words for you SCHOOL PEERS! ill use myself as an example. my parents are the nicest kind well mannered people you could ever meet. the don’t curse, drink, smoke, drugs NONE. They are the perfect role models. yet when i started school In Kindy, i started to curse and to misbehave because of the kids i hung with. your parents can be the queen of freaking England and you can still go bad. what are my parents gonna do out me in some naught chair? they gave me a fair punishment of a good swat to the backside and now i have out grown all these things and turned out fine…

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    • Anonymous

      Umm.. how about re-reading the point that being smacked only TEACHES you to deal with your problems with violence.. aggression is learned by children FROM their lazy parents who have over-extended themselves so much they have no time or energy to actually PARENT. :-/

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  27. bedlam

    I got the ‘wait til your Father gets home’ punishment regularly, then the wooden spoon on the backside when he did get home. I don’t remember the causing behaviour, just the waiting then the belting.

    I won’t be smacking my children at all (I’m a mum-to-be) as I think intelligent, emotionally mature adults should be able think of better ways to discipline a child rather than resorting to smacking. Neither of my parents were emotionally mature…still aren’t.

    Funny story though, when I was 17 I did something that pissed my Mother off, she started rummaging in the drawer for the wooden spoon, couldn’t find it so took off her shoe. I just towered over her and menacingly said ‘don’t you dare hit me!’ She didn’t and never tried to again!

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    • Delly

      Love it :) My Mum used time outs but I remember feeling really humiliated by them and telling her one day that I would never, ever be going to the laundry again. Damn that felt good.

      I don’t mean to trivialise your experience with smacking by comparing it to time outs. Just commenting that some parents don’t realise just how grown up their children are, and that there’s no reason to be trying to ‘teach’ them any more.

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  28. Rhiannon

    Articles about smacking always strike a chord with me. My parents smacked me. I was never ‘beaten’ or had anything happen to me that could be called ‘excessive force’. It was either a sharp hit with my mum or dad’s open fist, or a smack with the wooden spoon. I have been told that one of them just getting out the wooden spoon was enough to send me into tears of panic and fear because I hated being smacked.

    I don’t mean to sound melodramatic, but being smacked impacts my life to this day. I grew up fearing my parents, and the kind of treatment ‘bad’ behaviour would earn me. As a result of this fear I wouldn’t dream being completely open with my parents. I am scared of their tempers. I haven’t done anything really bad, but there have been some situations I have got myself into over the years that I never, ever would have told them. I believe that being smacked, and the fear that caused, has had (and continues to have) an impact on my relationship with my parents. Therefore, it makes me really angry when people say that ‘smacking never does any harm’. I think this viewpoint is ignorant.

    I don’t have children, so some people would say that I have no right to comment on this matter. But I will say, that you have no idea the impact that just a ‘slap’ might have on your child and surely there are better ways to deal with bad behaviour.

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  29. Holly

    I actually can’t believe anyone thinks it could ever be ok to hit a child.

    I don’t care how much / little force you use. It’s. Just. Wrong.

    We wouldn’t accept corporal punishment at work or any other sphere of society. I sure as hell wouldn’t allow my partner to hit me nor hit him so why on earth would it be ok to hit our daughter?

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  30. Liza

    I’m sorry but any form of hitting is child abuse as far as I am concerned and no one can convince me otherwise. Would you hit someone if they did not do what you wanted? Why then would you hit a child for not doing what you wanted? You can all make all the excuses in the world for what you do but there are ways of dealing with children without hitting them. Hitting is downright wrong and there are no ifs or buts about it!

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    • Anonny

      Ah, to live in a black and white world …

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  31. Desiree

    I was abused as a child – physically, verbally, emotionally – by my stepfather. The few smacks I got from my Mum for being genuinely naughty are in a totally different universe to that abuse. Please do not compare a smack on the bum for being a little brat to being beaten and yelled at mercilessly because you spilled your drink or didn’t water the garden properly. It is not the same thing, and never will be.

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    • Gnat

      Im sorry that happened to you Desiree, it is horrible. However, any form of physical violence to children is just plain wrong. Yes there are degrees to the amount of physical harm but it doesn’t make the lesser forms any less wrong. And for the record I was smacked, slapped, hit with a riding crop and punched in the face in the face as a child. Every single smack was just as wrong as the greater levels of abuse. I have a young daughter and there is no way in hell I would ever lay a finger on her, even a smack on the bum. You should never make a child fearful of physical harm and yes I was just as terrified of the smacks and just as humiliated. Children are human beings like adults and have rights, which many people here seem to be forgetting.

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      • ANON

        Goodie goodie ^^^^

        when Your daughter comes home with tattoos and preggers what are you gonna do put her in time out LOL then maybe u should of spanked her

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  32. Disappointed

    I just watched the 60 minutes footage (I don’t routinely watch the show) and even despite the sensationalist approach, wow, I was left sickened and saddened.

    There are so many other ways to provide discipline and boundaries for children, without resorting to routine smacking. Did you see the way her children flinched when she shouted and smacked them? Yep, that’s teaching them respect alright..I am of course being sarcastic. We are a child’s role model and what does it say to them when we behave in a manner that is out of control and regularly resorts to violence? We need to teach them how to deal with their emotions, how to handle anger, so if you are constantly screaming and hitting out yourself, what sort of message does that send?

    Providing discipline and boundaries is extremely hard work and frankly, this whole ‘smacking gets results’ attitude just reeks of laziness to me. I’m big on consequences with my three year old and it takes time, effort and consistency – but you know what else is really effective? Encouragement and rewards. Instead of cowering in fear at the threat of a smack, you’d be amazed at how a child can come alive and glow with self confidence when they receive encouragement and rewards for good behaviour.

    And this whole, ‘but I was smacked when I was a kid and I turned out alright’ argument. Oh come on, raise the bar, people. Aren’t we more intelligent than that? Just because it didn’t harm you doesn’t mean it’s the best way to get things done or best for the child. Yes, my Mum smacked me as a child and I’m OK and we’re still close. But you know what I remember most? The look of anger on her face, not what I had done wrong.

    I’m not perfect – I have days where I catch myself yelling too much (and funny that, the more you yell the less they listen) and I’ve been known to have to leave the room so I can ‘gather’ myself. But there’s a lesson in that too, in showing them more appropriate ways to deal with anger.

    So sure, if you want discipline that’s immediate, by all means, smack your children. However, if you would like to provide discipline and boundaries for your child that is fair, based on respect and trust and aims to send them out into the world well adjusted and with the ability to manage their emotions, take a deep breath and use your head, act like and adult and find more appropriate ways to discipline your children.

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  33. Andrea

    Has anybody seen the pattern in the last 20 years since mothers have been frowned upon for smacking their wayward children. Those teenagers have grown up into horrible rude violent members of todays society. Or am I the only one to notice??? was smacked as a child & I believe it did me a world of good. We are not talking about beating a child until it is hurt only a gentle tap on the nappy. I would rather a smacked child than a dead one thanx. I am always congratulated on how well my children behave and how polite they are and the same goes for all my other friends that use smacking as a last resort. I am sick & tired being out somewhere & some retarded parent are saying to their crazy misbehaving kid…Ohh please stop now..I feel like giving the parents a good wallop..grrr :( (( I understand some children have medical issues but they all can’t have a medical condition correct???

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    • Renee

      I come from a large family of 7 children. We were very rarely smacked. My mother had been a school teacher so she had many other ways to discipline that didn’t involve violence. As a result my brothers and sisters went on to have children and chose not to smack them at all. There are 19 grandchildren in total and none of them have been smacked. They range in age from 26 years to 6weeks old. None of them have criminal records, none of them had or have discipline problems and all of them have been described as lovely children at one time or another. Those of them that are now adults all went to university, have excellent jobs and are in loving relationships. My three children who have never been smacked are constantly complemented on their behaviour both at school and when out in public. Smacking is not the only way to discipline a child, and quite frankly I’m tired of the “this is what’s wrong with society today” argument.

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    • Renee

      And why don’t you smack those parents? Oh wait that’s right we’re not allowed to hit people are we, just kids?

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    • Anonymous

      “I feel like giving the parents a good wallop”… this is exactly what smacking breeds. And while I’m sure you have enough restraint and decorum not to solve your problems or take out your frustrations this way, many don’t.

      I would be willing to bet that people who weren’t smacked as kids would be far less likely to feel like lashing out physically when frustrated/angry.

      Google “bobo doll experiment”.

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    • Anonymous

      Those wayward teenagers didn’t turn out that way because they weren’t smacked. They turned out that way because they weren’t disciplined – there’s a difference. I was hardly ever smacked as a child – maybe once or twice. My punishments were being sent to bed early, no dessert after dinner, not being allowed to go a friends party or a movie I wanted to see. These things made more difference to me. I think I was quite a considerate teenager and now an equally considerate teenager. I put the cause of this on my parents using discipline effectively and also by being incredibly supportive and rewarding me when I behaved well.

      Stop confounding smacking with discipline. It’s not the same thing

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    • Kym

      Smacking a child just shows you have lost control. If you have to resort to physical violence, you have lost the battle. Children are vulnerable and need our guidance to learn how to behave and respond to their emotions. Yes, there are some parents who are too lenient but that will not be solved by smacking. Firm boundaries and consequences for wrong doing work every time. Children actually want boundaries and to know what is right and wrong. They will test those boundaries but that is when you must hold firm.

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    • Anonymous

      I was never smacked as a child and I’m not a criminal, I’m not rude, I’m not violent. I’ve gone onto university, I’m a self sufficient young woman. That argument doesn’t wash, otherwise only people were smacked would turn out any “good” and those that weren’t smacked would become criminals. Sadly, it’s usually the other way around. I work within the field and I can assure you most offenders usually have had difficult childhoods and usually abuse.

      Also, given that many disabilities have no physical symptoms, you can’t judge what children may or may not have. Autism is a prime example of such a case

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    • Anonymous

      Mia… can we please get a thumbs down icon?

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    • Anon

      Who is giving Andrea all those thumbs up?!!! So sad that people believe hitting is the best way to discipline their children. Put a bit of effort into parenting and non-violent discipline and then you can be proud of the resulting good behaviour. Keeping kids in line because they’re afraid of you dishing out a “good wallop”…..not something to gloat about.

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    • Andrea

      Did anybody every see the picture of Diana Princess of Wales slapping Prince William across the face so hard it left her hand print on his face at a family dinner function once???? Nobody batted an eyelid he probably said something very rude at the dinner table who knows..BUT IF IT IS GOOD ENOUGH FOR OUR FUTURE KING…It is good enough for my children too!!! They know their boundaries. First warning stop, second u will get a smack & third they get a smack…

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  34. kathleen

    A smack never hurt any child, providing it is a gentle smack and not a huge male hand smack.

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    • Gnat

      However the research disagrees with the assertion “a smack never hurt anyone…” how about the amount of domestic abuse rife in our society. Can no one see the correlation between corporal punishment of children and continued violence into adulthood. If you are taught as a child that hitting is an acceptable thing to do how are you supposed to unlearn that as an adult. Aggression breeds aggression. Come on join the dots everyone please.

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  35. lauren0108

    I used to get smacked as a child for being ‘naughty’ and it just occured to me today, after reading all these posts, that i used to smack my baby sister when (in my opinion) she was naughty… So basically, I learned to deal with bad behaviour – or behaviour I couldn’t cope with – with violence – and I feel DREADFUL. She was four years younger than me and I was much stronger – just as my parents were much stronger to me.

    I don’t think a smack is necessarily child abuse – and yes, there are different levels, but my personal belief is that you don’t teach children how to behave by physically hurting them. I don’t think anyone has a right to physically hurt anybody else – no matter what the reason.

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  36. Kate in TO

    Young children (1-3) actually have significantly better receptive language skills than expressive language. Often their behavioural issues can come from the frustration of not being able to express themselves. You would be suprised how much they do understand, so using logical punishment and explanations can be more effective than smacking and from my isolated experience might have more lasting impact than a smack. (FYI – im a speech path)

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  37. Kate in TO

    Young children (1-3) actually have significantly better receptive language skills than expressive language. Often their behavioural issues can come from the frustration of not being able to express themselves. You would be suprised how much they do understand, so using logical punishment and explanations can be more effective than smacking and from my isolated experience might have most lasting impact than a smack. (FYI – im a speech path)

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  38. Anonymous

    Firstly there is a BIG difference between a smack and a belting. As children, neither me or my brother and sister were ever smacked. We got a few light slaps on the hand if we were reaching up for the stove or something like that. There is a huge difference between this and getting hit with an object or with full force of an adult

    Parents usually smack their children because they are angry at the child or the behavior. They are reacting to the situation rather then really attemptingto discipline their child.

    The argument that “a smack never did me any harm” is entirely false, the fact a parent thinks the ONLY way to discipline a child is to hit them, proves the damage that smacking did to them as a child.

    Bottom line is, if I can’t hit another adult because I don’t like their behavior, why should I be allowed to hit my child?

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    • Anonymous

      Had to add that once in a shopping centre I saw a mother with two kids, a boy and girl. The boy was older and was hitting the girl who started to cry. The mother turned around, smacked the boy several times and yelled at him “Haven’t I told you not to hit?”

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    • Ems

      ‘The argument that “a smack never did me any harm” is entirely false, the fact a parent thinks the ONLY way to discipline a child is to hit them, proves the damage that smacking did to them as a child.’

      Sorry, but that is simply not correct. I was smacked as a child and by god it worked. I was still mischievous and in and out of trouble constantly but when I really, really pushed it I would get a smack and I would not do whatever I was doing wrong again. It was always a last resort, it was always followed by love and I would have no qualms using that same method on my own kids, if I ever decide to have them.

      That it is the only option to parents who were smacked as children is ridiculous. As long as smacking is used as I just described above – as a last resort when the behaviour is serious enough for a short, sharp shock followed by a hug – I see absolutely nothing wrong with it and would do it in my own home, even if it was outlawed.

      What drives me insane is the nanny-state mentality which is pervading society little by little that even how I personally chose to discipline my child from a place of love is now a choice that will more than likely be taken away from me.

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      • Agree

        I absolutely agree with you. I was smacked as a child and it definitely did not harm me. To claim otherwise is false. In fact, I knew that when it did happen (which was rare) I had really, really crossed the line. I do believe it was the only thing that got through to me. Note, however, I was not belted to the point of injury, just threatened and smacked. I’m not saying it’s a good disciplinary method, but we need to carefully consider when laws are made which criminalise behaviour that does no harm.

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        • Anonymous

          I’m not saying that everyone who was smacked as a child is damaged as an adult. However if you feared your parents, then you have been impacted, whether you’re able to fully accept that or not. Sadly when one has been abused as a child (I’m not saying everyone who was smacked, was abused but it does happen) most people will grow up and be adult offenders. As children we are taught how we should act.

          Again, there is a big difference between a smack and a belting. However in my opinion children are people. If you wouldn’t smack another adult, what right do you have to smack your child? If someone thinks it’s acceptable for them to hit their children, wouldn’t it be acceptable for their spouse to hit them? If it’s acceptable to hit, shouldn’t your boss be able to smack you (albeit lightly on the hand or rump) if you’re late or don’t hand in a report on time?

          Children aren’t property, they are PEOPLE and should have rights as such.

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          • Agree

            Thanks for the psychoanalysis. You are wrong.

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            • Anonymous

              Actually, I’m not wrong. I’m a trained psychologist who works in the public health system. I’m happy to debate anything but a simple “you’re wrong” usually means you have nothing constructive to add to an argument.

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          • Ems

            I never feared my parents! I feared their reaction when I knew I’d gone too far, which was a very effective tool to get me to stop whatever dangerous/down-right stupid thing I was up to – as I said I was only ever smacked when I had really pushed it and could have been hurt or hurt another. I would fully understand not to do it again, then get a hug and we moved on.

            I do not have to ‘fully accept’ that I have been impacted by being smacked as I was not. I had an idyllic childhood and have a fantastic relationship with both my parents so I am with Agree on this as, professional psychologist or not, you have made some pretty full-on assumptions and statements which I find a little offensive.

            And of course children are people but if, as a loving parent, you feel a smack will prevent a repeat of serious behaviour then I think you have a right to chose that as an option and not be as labeled a child abuser.

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            • Anonymous

              I’m not making assumptions for everyone. As a psychologist, I have seen the damage child abuse does. I have not said at any point said that a smack on the hand or a light smack on the rump is child abuse. However I have seen many adults who as children would get smacked with belts, straps, spoons and other objects. Those parents felt that they were simply giving discipline to their children.

              There is a huge difference between the two and I assure you, sadly many people fear their parents. Often this fears follows them into adulthood where they STILL fear their parents. You would be surprised how many parents out their feel their kids are more or less their property.

              This isn’t applicable to everyone obviously and at no point during my posts have I said it applies to everyone.

              As a psychologist and as a mamamia reader, I personally would like to see smacking banned because it is very difficult to draw the line from where it is acceptable to where it isn’t.

              Given the nature of this website, the comment section is a place for everyone to post their opinions and not be personally attacked for it.

              I don’t expect people to agree with me but I ask that people respect my opinion. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and I respect you for yours, even if I don’t agree with it.

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          • Ems

            For some reason I can not reply to your latest post so I am doing it here. I respect your opinion and have not been rude or offensive towards you. As you say, this is a place of expression and I have expressed my views and you yours. I said I found your comments ‘a little offensive’ because I did and I certainly did not personally attack you at any point. I like my arguments to be taken seriously – hurling abuse does not have that affect so I avoid it .Good luck to you.

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        • Anonymous

          Agree – how can anyone say what does and doesn’t do harm? While not all smacking is child abuse, most children who have been abused grow up to be either victims or perpetrators of abuse. It DOES effect children and many people on this article have posted responses that indicate they are still effected by the smacks they received as children.

          While it might not have effected YOU, you can’t say that it doesn’t effect anyone. End of the day, smacking is assault.

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          • Agree

            I never said it doesn’t affect anyone. Read the original article and my response.

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            • Anonymous

              I read your comment and the article. Even if one child out of ten is effected, isn’t that one too many?

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          • Agree

            I’m concerned about a psychologist that can’t spell affected – and one that deigns to diagnose people over an internet chat session.

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            • Anonymous

              It was a typo and I’d love to see where exactly I was attempting a diagnosis? I’m giving an opinion, not as a psychologist but as a reader of mamamia.

              I’m sorry that you feel the need to defend your argument so passionately that the only way you feel you can win is by personal attacks. That’s usually the sign of a very weak argument.

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  39. Anonymous

    I was not traumatised the maybe 2 or 3 times I was smacked as a calculated response for me doing something very dangerous or naughty. I deserved that and learned my lesson.

    I have a lot of issues surrounding being smacked when my parents are angry and the smacking does not fit the crime (talking to my sibling at the table when my parents are talking, forgetting to fold washing, not making dinner soon enough, etc.)

    Being smacked in anger is terrifying. Especially when you don’t clearly understand the reason behind the anger and you develop this constant kind of physical fear whenever one of your parents is angry or stressed or whatever. There is no clear knowledge of how to avoid being smacked, and the angry smacking involves yelling, rough grabbing being hit a lot.

    Being dragged out of your room and hit repeatedly when you’ve run and hidden in there because you made Dad angry and you know that angering parents = smacking…that feels wrong. I wasn’t a perfect kid and I’m not a perfect teenager, but being hit hurts a lot and I don’t see why being a parent gives you the right to hit someone. Whether you’re 15 or 5.

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    • Anonymous

      I’m in sync with you on this one. Both my parents smacked me, but as I became a more challenging child (duh… adolescence) my father crossed the line and became physically abusive. There is a difference between a discipline smack and an angry belting that leaves a child sobbing and hiding in a wardrobe for hours. As a parent to my own two children I have a no hitting policy in our house. This is simply because I’ve seen, as a child, how easy it is for parents to lose control and cross the line. It takes a bit more self-control and time to learn to respond to frustrating child behaviour without hitting, but it feels SO much better as a parent and to the child you’re trying to raise to be a confident adult.

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  40. The Tip Master

    Threatening to stop school lunch orders works a treat too. Cheese and vegemite sandwiches everyday for a month is one hell of a scary prospect for a child.
    @thetipmaster

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  41. Jamie

    All of these people who call themselves ‘experts’ and not one of them can seem to recognise the HUGE difference between using smacking as part of a reasonable discipline routine, and hitting or beating a child. FFS. In our family we smack and not for one single one of the ‘excuses’ or EVER in the situations Katharine Cook is painting to try to write us off as child abusers.

    You really think that outlawing smacking is going to have any kind of impact on serious child abuse? Really? I wouldn’t stop smacking my kids if it was banned. You think someone who is actually beating the hell out of theirs is going to?

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    • Anonymous

      The idea behind the law is that parents who now get out of being charged by arguing that smacking is legal even though the way they are smacking is way out of control (like the woman on 60 minutes) will be charged. No-one is going to arrest anyone for smacking their toddler on the hand or whatever. I’ve read stories of people being arrested for child abuse and then wangling their way out of it in court because there is no clear line on what is acceptable and what is not.

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      • J

        Actually you are wrong. They have made smacking illegal in NZ and there have been ridiculous cases taken to court and wasted a lot of resources and time to be then thrown out. This is what will happen if you make smacking illegal. Where do you draw the line? you can’t say its illegal then not procescute someone who smacks their child for running on the road. This is why that argument is ridiculous.

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  42. Anonymous

    I am surprised how many people watch 60 minutes! Every time I see a promo I think, “who is watching this stuff?!”. More people than I thought, evidently.

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  43. Anonymous

    To be charged with child abuse for giving a kid an open-handed, slap on the bum is utterly absurd.

    I agree there’s a fine line between discipline and and abuse but it surely needs to be dealt with on a case by case basis.

    I barely remember the few smacks I got as a kid. I do remember feeling very small and ashamed after being ignored, belittled or yelled at by my parents though… none of those things will or probably can ever be outlawed yet I’d say the damage from those actions to me and my relationship with my parents far outweigh any smack on the bum that I ever got.

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  44. Lu

    While I dont agree with this womans discipline of choice, I think she needs to be commended for attempting to take charge of her childrens behaviour. Under the circumstances, I’m sure many women, finding themselves single parents to 4 young children, would use that fact alone to throw their hands in the air and admit its all too hard, give up and let the kids take over and run wild. At least she is trying to give her kids boundaries and consequences for bad behaviour. I know plenty of kids who dont have boundaries and consequences and they do run wild.

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    • Anonymous

      Mia… PLEASE?! A thumbs down icon???

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      • Lu

        Why thumbs down? I give thumbs down to the parents who let their kids run wild and who just shrug their shoulders and say ‘what can you do, kids will be kids’.. there are LOTS of them, go to the supermarket any day and you will see them!
        Her methods may be wrong but at least she is trying.

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  45. Anonymous

    Hmm I watched the sixty minutes report last night and i felt uncomfortable watching this mum dish out the smacks I think it was because not only I did not see the crime or the context for which the smacks were delivered but also because I think society just frowns on women for getting angry and being anything less than constantly nurturing and perfect. The reality is this single Mum is struggling to raise 4 small kids the best way she knows how and hello!! aren’t we all trying to raise our kids the best way we know how.

    Yes I was smacked as kid and I admit to smacking our children when they were younger. I didn’t do it often at all just for serious bad behaviour . I think most of parents who choose smacking as a form of discipline are sensible enough to know the line between a smack and child abuse and know when it no longer becomes a useful way of disciplining. So I don’t think governments need to intervene and create legislation. Instead they should focus on people who perpetuate real abuse and emotional neglect upon their children and let that old fashioned seldom heard thing called “common sense” prevail for the rest of us.

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  46. Valerie

    I watched Sixty Minutes and like most I’m sure, it made me feel uncomfortable. I am not a fan of smacking and we don’t smack our children, but I have friends that do and it is not in the way shown last night. It is calm, rare and considered, not out of an annoyed reaction or an angry response.

    As I was watching the mother from Brisbane I had to remind myself that I am not a single mother of four young children, who probably finds her job incredibly tough. I am well-supported, with a husband who shares the parenting load, and well-resourced with other methods to use other than smacking. I don’t know what it must be like to be her. No judgement here, just empathy. I’d love to see people get alongside her, offer help and time out for her so she can feel refreshed and not as stressed as she must be.

    I also have years of teaching experience which stand me in good stead as a parent. Smacking is simply not an option.

    Having said all that there is nothing worse than an undisciplined child who is allowed to rule his or her life and the lives of his or her family. There are so many wonderful ways to help children develop self control, kindness, the ability to make wise choices in life, obedience and so on without smacking.

    What we love is Love and Logic, by Foster Cline. It has changed our parenting completely! It is all about giving kids the power to make good choices, and to experience the consequences of not so wise choices.

    I was watching her serve up her children dinner, and the one little girl who refused to move her chair in and sit properly. She was threatened with a smack and complied, but in my head I was thinking of the Love and Logic response, which would be asking her something like, “Would you like to move your chair closer to the table and eat properly or would you like me to take your dinner away?”, said calmly and gently. You give them ten seconds to decide, then decide for them. No stress for the parents, just a lovely consequence of experiencing a choice.

    I would love to see parents equipped and supported. It is a tough job and I think it is SO key not to judge. Kids can be full-on, especially if you are on your own with little support, or have children with special needs, or a child prone to regular tantrums. It is so important not to judge but to help one another as we can.

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    • picardie.girl

      I love this comment SO much, Valerie! This is a great opportunity to share resources, rather than just giving opinions. Thank you for sharing. I’ve bookmarked that for later (no kids at present).

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      • Anonymous

        Continuing along this line of sharing resources rather than casting judgment and hatred…I am a new mum and do not want to smack. I was abused growing up and do not want my child to be affected by my inability to control my temper or think outside the square for appropriate alternatives to discipline rather than smacking. I do believe that in many situations that require discipline, parents need to think of age-appropriate means and constantly evaluate the efficacy of types of discipline. In cases such as a child about to run across a busy street, touch a hot oven, put their fingers in a moving fan when a stern “no” doesn’t work …what alternatives to smacking do work for people, especially with more strong-willed personalities??? (Obviously prevention is one method, but not always possible)

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  47. Paddywhack

    Sometimes I think that a quick, sharp bare-hand-on-clothed-backside inflicts less pain than a mouthful of yelling, abuse, namecalling and general loss of control that comes from shouting way too often. Emotional vs physical. I can tell you now the names I was called as a kid when my parents were in a rage, but can’t recall too many actual individual smacks, although I had a few.

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    • Not a smacker

      No-one is suggesting verbal abuse or name-calling as appropriate discipline. Abuse – verbal or physical – has a lasting negative effect on children. Consistent appropriate discipline strategies can work with most children (time-outs,confiscation of toys, missing out on special occasions/events) but you have to persist with it…. first few times you think it hasn’t worked but eventually they get the message!

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  48. Gracie

    I have been smacked twice in my life and both of those times I being extremely misbehaved and in danger of hurting myself.

    For instance, I copped a huge smak when I was about 4 for trying climb some wood lattice (is that it’s name) on the side of our house…my dad had told me not to/ moved me away about three times, so on the fourth time- I got a smack.

    Never did it again.

    I don’t think I would every smack my kids, but if a kid is about to hurt themselves because they’re not following instruction, I think it’s justifiable

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  49. Wooden spoon

    I believe that there are times when a smack is acceptable – for example, if it’s going to save a toddler’s life if the little one is about to run onto the road, put his/her hand on the hot stove etc.
    My cousins and I were smacked as kids. I can only remember being smacked once, and I was misbehaving something severe to get my mother’s attention at a social gathering. You wouldn’t find a kinder mum than mine but her usual ‘sit down and behave’ didn’t work. I think I broke a china ornament belonging to the host. I got a slap on the bum. It shocked me so much (I was about three) that in the future when Mum told me to behave, I did. I don’t remember ever being smacked again.
    My aunt used to threaten us all with the wooden spoon; my boy cousins copped it on the backside more than once when nothing else would bring them into line.
    Mother dogs, cats and horses give their young a nip when their babies are heading for danger and don’t respond to verbal cues. Is a smack really so different if it’s going to prevent injury?

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  50. alikelystory

    Ok, so smacking is one form of discipline used in our household of young children. Although, I hesitate to say that I smack usually because of what most people see/think of smacking as – lashing out at a ‘naughty’ child with a whack out of the blue when you reach the end of your rope. That is not how we use smacking and I definitely think that type of smacking is NOT ok. For us, smacking is used as a consequence particularly in the toddler years as a clear and firm message of what behaviour is not acceptable. It is saved for pretty much only direct disobedience and extreme safety issues. We do not smack for tantrums (which are very rare anyway but if they happen, we would either isolate in their room till its over, or similar). Smacking to me, works well to communicate a message to a toddler who cannot verbally reason much. Once they get older – say 3 or 4 – I primarily use logical consequences etc but at 18m-2, those things dont work as well. I would rather give a quick smack then move on than frustrate the child with endless time outs (that they cant remember what they are for) or trying to ‘reason’ with a child who is not able to reason.
    As for how we do it – I calmly sit down with the child, tell them they did ‘X’ so now they are going to get a smack for disobeying Mummy. A swat on the hands and then big cuddles and tell them I love them and am helping them learn to make good choices. Encourage them to say sorry, more hugs and I love you, then issue over and move on with their day.
    I know that many would still think this is wrong, and thats ok but we are confident that its in the best interests of our children and truly do it out of love (not anger or frustration). As i said, its not our only tool in the parenting toolbelt but it works for a season for particular issues, in a toddlers busy world, it sends a clear msg and then we call ALL move on.

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    • alikelystory

      I just went and saw a few minutes of the video and now feel compelled to add I totally disagree with how that mum is treating her kids – the yelling, the age of the children, calling them naughty. This is why I dont like to say that I smack because our scenario is nothing like this. :(

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      • zac

        I would just like to commend the above poster on the way she discipline’s her kids. it is truly refreshing to see someone offer something constructive to these arguments. Its people like this that are the reason not to ban smacking. a man in NZ rarely EVER smacked his kids. but one night his daughter was being feral so he gave her a short sharp smack on the bottom. she had a doctors appointment the next day and her bottom was red so he reported the parents. needless to say his kids were taken away and he spent 3 YEARS trying to clear his name. So this shows that no only was a good upstanding parent victimised but tax payers dollars were wasted because of a COMPLETELY POINTLESS LAW.

        think common scene people

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