
Mia with Coco as a baby
By MIA FREEDMAN
When you have a baby, your relationship with your relatives changes.
Particularly the older female ones.
If you are lucky enough to have your mother and your partner’s mother in your life, they can be a huge source of support, comfort and reassurance.
Because those ladies? They’ve done this baby thing before. At least once each.
However it doesn’t always turn out like this.
Having spent many years comparing notes with girlfriends, it turns out I got incredibly lucky.
While many new mothers complain of older relatives insisting they KNOW how to do everything best (feeding, changing, settling etc, my Mum could barely remember having a baby.
She wasn’t even 100% on which way was up so she deferred to whatever I wanted to do and took to the role of my #1 cheerleader, boosting my non-existent confidence as a new mother. And my mother-in-law was just as supportive of whatever I wanted to do – even when it was plainly obvious that I hadn’t a clue.
But even though some things about babycare haven’t changed over the years since your own parents had kids, (they’re still best when held upright, not upside down) others HAVE.
A generation ago, mothers were encouraged to give babies bottles of sugar water. Or a nip of brandy in their milk to ‘help them sleep’. Babies were placed on their stomachs to sleep (with the view that this would stop them choking if they vomitted). And child restraints in cars were pretty much just stick-a-seatbelt-around-a-basket. Or hold the baby in the backseat. Hell, my mum was encouraged BY HER DOCTOR to smoke in the later stages of pregnancy so she wouldn’t gain weight.
Thanks to research, advice about how best to take care of babies is regularly evolving. For example, when I had my first child 15 years ago, you were told to introduce solids at 4 months. When I had my second child 7 years ago, it was 6 months. And by the time my third came along 4 years ago, it was back to 4 months.
When I was a baby, my Mum tells me you introduced solids at 6 weeks.
Here’s the lighter side of babycare Dos and Don’ts from Mattapps.com; some diagrams to show just how to handle a baby…

Safe baby handling tips
But on the serious side, it can be a source of extreme angst, conflict and frustration for many new parents who have to contend with bossy older relatives insisting they KNOW how to do something the right way and that they way you’re doing it is in fact wrong.
‘Well, that’s not how we did it in my day…’ is a common refrain. As if somehow, it’s these new-fangled ideas about how to bring up a baby safely and healthily are confected nonsense.
Via parenting author and editor of the Parenting Wellbeing site Jodi Benveniste:
Parent Wellbeing editor Jodi Benveniste
Family and friends are often a trusted source of parenting info. They can provide practical and emotional support and offer relief, advice and reassurance.
But not always. I’ve heard many stories of mums feeling judged or criticised by their mothers or mother-in-laws. Parenting times have changed. Some would say for the better, and some would argue a return to the ‘good old days’ is far superior to the riff raff kids modern-day parents are raising. Regardless, there have been some changes…
1. Baby’s sleep
There are lots of different baby sleep methods, including Mia’s favourite The Gift of Sleep. But with Sudden Infant Death Syndrome, guidelines about safe sleeping have changed. Instead of tucking baby into bed on their side or tummy with bunny rug, teddy bear and cot bumper, it’s now recommended that babies sleep on their back from birth without any extras in the cot. Since then, SIDS rates have decreased.
2. Baby’s food
A generation ago, bottle feeding was the norm. But then research into the value of breast milk has seen breastfeeding rates increase. As for introducing solids, when grandpa tries to feed hot chips to your 2 month old, that maybe because solids were once introduced much earlier. Now the recommended age is closer to 6 months.
3. Discipline
In previous generations, kids were raised to fear their parents, be seen not heard, and were the subject of rather stern discipline. Smacking and other forms of punishment, including the cane at school, were the norm. But these days, other approaches are seen as more effective at teaching our kids boundaries, appropriate behaviour, and life lessons.
4. Car safety
In earlier generations, babies were popped onto the back seat of the car in their bassinet. Yes, free floating in the back seat around every bend and over every bump! It’s unheard of, not to mention, illegal now. Instead, we get safety accredited capsules and car seats properly installed, not just for babies but for kids until they’re seven. Much, much safer.
There have been many other changes too. But some things have not changed:
5. Kids need love
The best thing we can offer our kids is our love, affection and attention. Kids thrive when they receive all three.
6. Raising kids is a learning experience
We don’t get it right every day. But we keep trying and we keep learning.
7. There’s no one right way to raise kids
You can create a parenting approach that suits you and your family. That involves understanding what’s important to you, learning a bit about how children develop so you’ve got realistic expectations of your child’s behaviour, and filtering all the advice. By all means, try the techniques that worked for your mum, but don’t feel like you’ve got to take on everything just because ‘it worked in their day’. Find your way.
Jodie Benveniste is a psychologist, parenting author, and the director of Parent Wellbeing. Her book and program, The Parent Manifesto, help parents create their own parenting approach. You can read more here
If you have kids, have you ever experienced a change in parenting advice? Has it ever caused conflict? How did you deal?







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Hmmm I guess I’m lucky. My MIL has never said anything to me about how I look after my daughter, yet. She’s just happy to spend tme with her, walking throught the garden or reading her stories. My mum on the other hand seems to have beeen traumatised by the crazy way by birth went down, so spent a lot of time while I was pregnant studying up on birth and parenting so that I didn’t have the same experience. She’s full of all this informati\on about the recommended way to do things now. At least she’s up to date. She’s never said anything about how I’m raising my daughter, but that might be because I’m doing it the way she would anyway, just by coincidence.
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Wow, this scares the bejeebus out of me. As a newish grandparent I already feel like I am tiptoeing around my DIL trying so hard not to offend.
I will ask or suggest something if I think it might be helpful but most of the time I am just saying I can’t remember what I did (I can). DIL does a wonderful job as a brand new mum and is relaxed and coping really well, so am most likely just feeling a bit redundant.
I am so careful to ask how she likes to do something or handle something etc and am still feeling gutted from when I got gently but firmly chided for doing something “wrong”. (it was something I couldn’t in a million years have anticipated she wouldn’t have wanted me to do I must add)
It makes me sad to read so many mothers speaking so dismissively of their mothers and MIL. Just because it’s not in the Baby Book or doesn’t have a reference to a peer reviewed scientific paper doesn’t mean it’s rubbish or an old wives tale.
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My Mum’s the same, ACW. She doesn’t want to be the overbearing Mum/In-law either. I live with her with my daughter and she has even checked with me a number of times whether something is OK or not. More often than not I defer to her wisdom and experience anyway!
I think people are being horrible too and would probably be happier if they didn’t dismiss everything their crazy old Mum/MIL suggested as being wrong. The best thing you can do is recognise you and the baby are new to this caper and you don’t know everything, no matter how much you’ve read. I strongly believe this is helping with the escalation of PND – “I’ve read the books, I know what to do, but it’s not working, I won’t ask for help”. Even here people think they know better than baby and maternal health professionals and dismiss them out of hand. Your loss, ladies.
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I’m nervous too, about becoming a grandmother, just from reading comments here. While I think some people clearly are horses arses and insensitive to their children who are newish parents, some people are also over sensitive.
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When my first born was first born, all I wanted from my mum and MIL was for them to say they thought I was doing a good job. After I knew that they thought I was (doing a good job) then I was a bit more willing to listen to their advice or comments. My MIL is very helpful and comes up to stay for long weekends everytime we need her, I am mostly happy to hear what she has to say, but she doesn’t tell me how to do it, more has a conversation these days.
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You sound like you’re doing your best to be supportive – just be your DIL’s cheer squad, give advice when asked and offer to babysit! My MIL is the exact opposite. Hyper-critical, rude and frequently tells me I am doing things the “wrong” way. I have two beautiful boys, 4 and 18 months and not once in all that time has she ever said “Good job”. If I do anything differently to the way she did things – bearing in mind it has been 38 years since she last had a baby – she takes it as a deeply personal insult. It’s very tiring having to explain “well, this is what the doctor/midwife/baby book/pharmacist etc recommends is done now”. Thankfully my husband tells her to back off all the time!
So keep up the good work A Certain Wisdom, that DIL/MIL dynamic is a hard one to get right.
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Like Mia I had a mum who just went with the flow and a MIL who was kind and always thoughtful and helpful. Lucky I guess. I was one of those women who had NEVER babysat or changed a nappy ever!
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it is sadly comforting to read that so many others have issues with their mums and MILs as well. My mum is not nasty but she is very passive aggressive. “Maybe its just me, I don’t know, but I just think that you used to pick him up too much when he was a baby”. She continually finds fault with the way we do things and how our boy behaves while my brother’s son is of course perfect. My brother’s partner feeds their son ‘so well, she is such a good mum’. Meanwhile, we should consider taking ours to a paediatrician because he is sick again (just normal childhood sicknesses like coughs, colds etc picked up from day care. No more than 3 or 4 over winter). Brother’s son doesn’t go to daycare so doesn’t pick up the nasties but she doesn’t see that – oh no, they are just SUCH GOOD PARENTS. If we say anything, she is super sensitive and gets very upset and tells us how everyone thinks she is such a good person and she is only trying to be nice.
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My 2 and 5 year olds loved peanut butter sandwiches. My MIL carried on and on about how they could be allergic…ignoring the fact that they were eating them with no reactions! So she told them every chance she could about how peanut butter was ‘yucky’ and ‘you dont want to eat that.’ Needless to say she turned them off it for a long time. However she saw my daughter who was the 2 yo and is now 13 having peanut butter on toast and proceeded to tell her how good it was for her!!!! My daughter just agreed and laughed as she knew the story from when she was little.
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I cant trust my MIL to not feed the dog when we have asked. Im am terrified of how she will be when we have kids!! She has already said to me babies can eat solids from 12 weeks old! Not in my world they So glad Ill be a stay at home mum and have a great mum to rely on for any babysitting that needs to happen. MIL will get visits only as her track record with the dog is appaulling!
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I had an unexpected pregnancy at the age of 24 and although I am in a committed relationship I really built up in my mind that I would be judged by both my parents and partners parents. I really felt that I had to prove myself and be this perfect mum and do everything on my own. Fortunately, this wasn’t the case at all!! I now have a 6 month old and Both sets of parents have been so respectful & supportive
I feel so lucky and pretty silly for doubting them. They are not pushy and always there to answer any questions- in fact it has brought us all closer together.
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I have a great Mum who even once told me that she feels sorry for girls nowadays as we get advice from everywhere and it adds heaps of pressure – when she was younger they were allowed to just raise the babies, without the pressure to do it perfectly! I still call my Mum regularly for medical questions (she has a medical background) and it is such a comforting feeling knowing that, whether we always agree, I can call her and get something of a ‘second opinion’. She didn’t want to be in the delivery room (‘that’s just for you and your husband’) and she has always been of the vein that if she is asked she is very happy to provide advice, but tries not to do it unless asked (so naturally I feel very comfortable asking her for advice!).
My MIL on the other hand….! Apparently she knows my children much better than me. She was always full of ‘advice’ (read: ‘things you MUST do, or you are being a horrible parent’), but thankfully some of that reined in a bit when she realised that I really was doing everything possible for one of my special needs kid, and when enough times had passed when I could say ‘actually the Occupational Therapist wants us to do it this way…’ or ‘ the paediatrician has recommended this…’ she realised how out of her depth she was and stopped ‘contributing’ so much. She will still say things at times that still show she thinks she knows better, but over the years I have worked that this isn’t personal to me (she knows how EVERYONE should do things better) so I don’t take it as defensively anymore!
I’ve also learnt to say ‘no, we don’t think we will do that’ when offered advice, as anything less (more polite, more wordy etc) doesn’t seem to sink in, and she will just keep going and going with that gem of advice.
Oh, and it helps that they live hours away, so I know that I only have to bite my tongue for a week or so when they come to visit, and listen to the ‘advice’ knowing that I won’t be changing things, and then just keep doing whatever I would like to knowing they won’t be there every day to keep noticing and ‘helping’!
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Reading these reminds me of my darling dad, father of three, adoring poppa of 9, besotted great-poppa of 2. His all-encompassing advice, which was only a statement, was “Full tummy, dry nappy, warm bed.”
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How about advice you wish you’d taken?
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Those baby instruction pictures have given me the best laugh for a while. TOO FUNNY!
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What is with the oldies and their obsession with wind?? Argh! Not every cry is due to wind! Hate my MIL with a fiery passion, haven’t seen her in 4 months, hope to never again actually.
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Maybe it’s because they have experience?
They’re all probably chatting about what arrogant know it all inexperienced daughters and daughters in law they have because they won’t listen to their experience and knowledge.
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Have to say, I think there is something in this wind buisness. I went away with a friend and her child who i hadn’t met before as i live overseas. She was constantly wimpering and crying and she just didn’t look comfortable. I happened to mention it to my mum on the phone and she said the poor dear probably had wind and ‘you girls these days dont wind your babies for long enough’. Anyway, I minded the bub whilst her mum had a shower and packed her bag and I winded her for a good 30 mins. Her mood instantly changed. No more whining and crying but smiles and giggles.
Yes, some grandmothers can be overbearing, but i honestly believe a lot of them have a lot of hints and experience that is quite valuable.
We are prepared to read books and the internet for advice from strangers, but can’t believe our own mothers have any relevant information? I just wish my own grandmother was here for the birth of my child next year. She was a real wizz at all that old fashioned practical baby stuff that seems to be so lacking today.
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Have not seen mine in four and a half years. It’s been bliss
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Maybe they had an especially windy baby?
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I never understood the whole wind thing either until I had my second baby. I wouldn’t have believed it if I hadn’t seen it, my baby screaming, burping and then looking around at us like we’d been keeping her awake with all our noise.
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I loath my exMIL with a passion. She used to delight in putting me down at every opportunity. When my children were young we had a huge family do at my place. Naturally, I spent the whole time ferrying food and constantly checking on the whereabouts of the kids. Finally, she’d enough of my maternal concern and laughed at me in the most condescending way, telling all how stupid I was to fuss so much and that she was watching them. Then my next door neighbour came to the door with my 18 month old daughter who had been standing in the middle of a 100kph rural road. The crazyb*tch MIL didn’t care less. That was the moment I knew without a doubt that while she told everyone how much she adored her grandchildren, it was all for show and that she didn’t give two craps about them.
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Thankfully, my mother is generally quite happy to go along with anything we’ve decided for our kids. If she’s unsure on something, ie can’t get the baby to sleep sh e looked up the SIDS website to make sure what she was doing was appropriate. Of course she does the usual grandma things, like icecreams and presents but I see no harm in that.
My MIL is ok, she refuse to do anything with the kids without first asking if its okay. My husband is not very trusting of her ability to mind them sufficiently so she has barely ever had them by herself.
Judging by the rest of the comments I think I’m one of the lucky ones…
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My MIL recently tried to get me to boil a bayleaf, add sugar to the water and give it to my 2 week old daughter to drink, because “the old people used to do it, it WORKS” to ‘help’ with reflux, and she also insisted I needed to give the baby water to drink because “The milk is her food, she needs a drink.”
Bless her, trying to help.
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Robin Barker suggests sugar water to help with reflux or something too.
Pretty rude writing someone’s suggestion off out of hand like that.
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I don’t know that I’d suggest that for reflux, maybe for constipation (brown sugar).
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I was thinking it was constipation, but I wasn’t 100%. She definitely suggests it though.
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Robyn Barker is wrong about a lot of things. Giving sugar water to a baby a completely stuffing up their gut flora is one of them.
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Are you a baby health nurse, Seahorse?
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“The old people used to do it” doesn’t seem to be more reliable than someone’s qualifications as a health nurse either!
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Bay leaves for acid reflux are a real remedy, like honey and lemon for a sore throat or ginger for nausea. Works for many.
Don’t know I’d give it to a newborn though!
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On the health nurses suggestion I gave my baby water with a little bit of brown sugar in it to help with constipation. It worked & didn’t leave him with any issues. Sometimes what the oldies suggest can work.
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My health nurse recommended the brown sugar and water to me as well.
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Ok I understand they newborn getting enough liquid from milk. Can someone explain to me why so many people don’t give their babies water? Especially when they are on solids or a bit older. My niece and nephews have always had a bottle of water with them from a very young age but some mothers don’t. When and how much water do babies need? Sorry for the very novice question but I see sooo many people doing different things. Also with teeth cleaning…..Some brush from day one and others don’t seem to at all…As u can tell I would be someone who would be begging everyone for advice lol
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If a baby is fully breastfed, they don’t need any water, because they may have a snack feed that will provide just the more “watery milk” and that will satisfy their thirst. You could give them water once they’re having solids, more to get them used to it in the early days, than anything else.
It’s ok to give bottle fed babies small amounts of water each day from very early on, particularly if they tend to get a little constipated, going up to brown sugar in the water if they are constipated.
We’d advise if not brushing, wiping over their new teeth with a soft cloth from day dot, going up to a soft toothbrush. Again, it gets them used to it, as well as cleaning.
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Thanks Faybian!
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When I had my first, my mother was only around for about 3 weeks before she travelled around the country. Dodged a bullet there. My Monster in law was a nightmare, however. My eldest girl was born in the early hours of the morning – bloody Dragon Lady was IN MY HOSPITAL ROOM at 8am. We hadn’t even had brekkie. And we didn’t even get along.
She lived 4 streets away and considered our front door an extension of her back door. In my house every day since I came home with the baby. She’d barge in and say ‘Hows our baby?’ One day I actually said to her – ‘MY baby’s fine, and I’m married to yours’. Gawd.
And she had perfectly selective memory, of course. ‘Oh I breastfed the twins, you know’. For about 2 weeks, it turns out. I breastfed my eldest for 6 months and then she was forever carrying on about getting her to drink from a cup! When I studied I got ‘A baby is a full time job, you know’.
She should have got my ex-husband off the breast by the time he was 25 though…:P
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Are we related? I gave birth at 4am…my monster arrived at 9am and didnt leave the room until my husband booted her out 5pm that night! Did not move. Even to pee.
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I had an emergency C Section with baby no. 2 and had to be put under general anaesthetic for it. MIL was at the hospital at the time (long story).
When I woke up a few hours later, MIL was INCENSED that they would not let her see her new grand daughter whilst I was out of it. Those darling nurses said ‘the MOTHER sees the baby first, not the grandmother’.
They don’t pay nurses enough. Said it a million times.
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My father-in-law doesn’t let being in his 90s get in the way of dispensing some child-rearing advice. He told me he was concerned both my children were backwards in their development when they weren’t walking by 12 months. This is because he found a letter his first wife wrote to him during World War II describing how their first child (my husband’s much older half brother) was walking at one. I was secretly a little bit pleased that neither of the kids walked until 16 months, giving him four months of serious, serious concern for their wellbeing. Oh, and breastfeeding for longer than 3 months will turn them into mummy’s boys. And gardening while pregnant is irresponsible.
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Things have certainly changed from when I was a baby in the 60s. I asked my mum for help when I needed as she has a lot of common sense (amazing how uncommon it is).
While I look forward to becoming a grandmother I hope I’m not overbearing or intimidating. At least because of my job, I’ll be up to date with all the latest advice etc.
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I used to have a great relationship with my mother in law and was looking forward to her help when we had children as my mother is not around.
Unfortunately when I did get pregnant my SIL chose that moment to tell everyone that she couldn’t have children and decided not to tell anyone until now ( many yrs after finding out) suddenly my mother in law started picking on me putting me down, i wasnt good enough to be a mother. Ignoring me when I asked her not to do something with my son ie putting him to sleep on his tummy and doing it anyway. One day she even turned around and said she can do what she likes as she’s the grandmother and if it was her daughters child she would be allowed to.
My SIL consistently goes on to me ” if I could have a child I wouldn’t be doing that” ie when I gave my child a dummy
I live my life constantly being told my them I should be greatful for my child , which I am but I should also think about my SIL when raising my child. I’m at the point I’m sick of it and no longer care that she can’t have kids. It feels like she made the decision to make a big deal out of it because she didn’t want me or her mum bonding over motherhood something she would never experience. I feel for her but I also can’t be made to constantly feel guilty for it.
I really wish I had a good relationship with them so we could share my child together. Without my own mother I certainly feel like I have no support and no one to understand me
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Just slightly off subject.
My wife’s cousin and SIL both have small children. I’ve made no secret of my dislike for the SIL. At family gatherings, I simply adore holding the cousin’s children and I fuss all over them. They get me quite clucky.
As for the SIL’s children, I dislike any type of interaction with them simply because of who their mother is. I wouldn’t hold any of her children, even if they came with a 100 dollar note.
In point of fact, I find that I rarely interact with the children of adults I dislike, yet I am drawn to the children of adults I like and respect.
Back on subject…..yes, obviously female relatives who have raised children will have done so differently to current mothers. They will “tutt-tutt” about this or that. This is a given. If you feel that even mild criticism or advice from the older mother goes against your grain….keep your children away from them. Other than that, prepare to learn a thing or two…or three from the voices of experience.
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Do you have kids? You soon learn that kids have their own identities. They are not clones of the irritating parents (though sometimes that only holds out for so long)….
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Maybe your sister in law’s children sense your intense dislike of their mother? It’s not like children to be drawn to someone who openly admits to hating their parents.
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Ouch! Kids are pretty sensitive to things like that!
poor things. It’s not their fault that you don’t like their Mum. Seeing you favour other kids over them….that would def hurt them. Kids don’t understand things like that and will internalize it and assume you don’t like them.
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That is really mean of you. I am the daughter of a mother who remarried after my father died. Her new husband’s family disapproved of her and consequently of me. It was awful feeling that I wasn’t wanted in my ‘new family’. It probably upset my mother a bit but it was much worse for me which I didn’t deserve.
I expect better behaviour of an adult. You are an adult aren’t you?
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My mother has no interest in my children so she stays out of it. I’m totally fine with this.
My MiL is very hands on, and I *choose* to let her to be. She babysits as often as I ask – which isn’t very often – and I allow her to do things her way. She cuddled my babies to sleep, gave them chocolate custard and watched TV with captions so there was silence. I did none of this but I figure it’s not a big deal, although my kids are quite ratty after a visit to the grandparents!
I’m 10 years into parenting and it’s taken me most of that time to put aside other people’s opinions.
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I think I got amazingly lucky too. My mum had 5 kids so I was SURE she was going to have a lot to say about the way I did or didn’t do things. But I did the Tizzie Hall routines (along the same line of Gift of Sleep I think) with my now three year old and mum always says that she wish she had a similar book when we were all babies. My siblings did the routine thing too and Mum is always very complimentary about how easy all our babies are to look after because she always knows exactly what they’re supposed to be doing at any given time.
And my mother-in-law was also very hands off with the advice. The only thing she didn’t like was the swaddling – she kept muttering about me putting him in a straitjacket. But that was pretty bearable!
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There have been times when I’ve felt judged by my mum – for being a ‘push over’ (not using controlled crying), not starting solids earlier (I introduced solids to my son at 4 1/2 months), etc, etc. But when I step back and think about it she’s often not judging but rather trying to help. When I really listen to what she’s saying she is really proud of the mum I’ve become and is just trying to support me anyway she can. Sometimes my ears can make a suggestion sound like a criticism particularly if it plays into a secret insecurity (I hope I’m doing this right… I want to be a good mum).
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My friends MIL was minding her son for the day. My friends son was a very big boy – right off the charts at 7 months – but in proportion and if you saw his Dad you would understand as he is quite tall.
Well my friend returned to pick up her son and he was crying in the corner of the kitchen whilst his grandmother was busying herself preparing dinner.
My friend scooped him up and was alarmed at the scenario she had just walked into.
Then she noticed all of his bottles and food she had left for the day still sitting there uneaten. She asked her MIL what has he eaten today and she replied “Nothing! He is too fat! He needs to lose weight!!!!!!”
My friend stormed out of there and needless to say her MIL has never been called upon for childminding again!!!
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Wow, that is seriously terrible. Unforgivable.
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How horrendous!
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Not just for baby sitting I hope. She sounds genuinely toxic and should not be let anywhere near that child again, he deserves to be protected from her.
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That’s terrible! That’ bought tears to my eyes! My little boy is a big boy too, not off the charts but right at the top and I would be absolutely furious if someone I had trusted to look after him deprived him of food. What a nasty woman.
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That reminds me of when my mum was allowed to babysit my baby for the first and last time. He was 4 months old, and we had to go out for a function for a few hours at night. He was due for his bottle at 9pm.
I got home at 9.30pm to hear him crying his eyes out in his bed and I immediately saw he hadn’t had the bottle I’d left him, so went to heat it up. My mum stormed out, citing “I’d created a rod for my own back”. I had no idea what she was talking about. She left the house yelling at me.
It turns out she thought that I should be giving him no night feeds at all to enable him to learn to sleep the night through. Never mind that her being there was a one off and that the chances of him changing after one night was impossible, and that she was defying my only instructions. And that he was only 4 months old. (And my second child so I knew what I was doing).
I also discovered she liked to put his wrap over his head as she felt that helped him to sleep. And that she felt it was okay to be well tipsy on babysitting duties. NEVER, ever, ever, ever again!!!!
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My mother in law was awful to me when my daughter was first born. Ridiculing everything I did. My daughter is her 15th grandchild and she had 4 children herself – so I guess she has some idea of what she is doing – however she made me feel as though I had no clue. Telling me I should leave my child with my brother-in-law for 2 weeks to sort her night-waking out (because his 3 children are perfect in her eyes I guess). My daughter was 5 months at the time – her night waking was of no concern to me.
I finally had enough and I snapped at her after one comment and that stopped all of her negativity.
She was staying at our house one weekend and our daughter had been in bed for the night for about 2 hours. We heard her stir and not wanting her to wake up completely – thinking it must just be the dummy I quickly ran up stairs to plug the dummy in before she woke up fully. All was fine. She went back to sleep and I could continue hosting my MIL.
Well, when I got downstairs she said under her breath in a mean way “I never ran for any of my children when they woke.”
My blood boiled so I replied “Pardon? What did you say?”
She said “Oh nothing.”
I asked her again “No, what did you say?”
So she said it again and I replied with “What never?! Not even your first??” And gave her a judgemental look whilst turning on my heels to put the kettle on… “Anyone want a tea?”
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My mother has to slip in every time she sees my daughter a crack about her weight……my daughter is 13 months old!!! She tells me not to give her a hot chip as she will hate me when she is older……like I am going to take any advice from someone like that!
BTW my daughter is over the 99th percentile for height and on the 87th for weight……
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The weight thing does my head in. My son was 97th for height and 60th for weight, so every doctor said he was underweight. But he was very long and had chubby cheeks so every random person I met would tell me what a big boy he was. My daughter is the same but smaller – 25th or height and oscillating between 3rd and 10th for weight. Her paediatrician wants me to stuff her full of rubbishy food just o put the weigh on. The nurses have repetitively threatened a feeding tube. They are both incredibly healthy, never get sick and way ahead of their milestones. You just cannot win, no baby is the perfect weight and height!
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The weight thing UGH! My 3.5yo is in the 97 percentile for her height 97 percentile for her weight. I would have thought, spot on.
The MHC nurse told me “she is not to be having any more Seaweed rice biscuits as it’s high GI and obviously she needs to lose a little weight” I told her to back off! lol. I also refused to discuss the BMI of my 3yo. Ridiculous. My daughter is perfectly healthy. Thanks very much.
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I wish someone would bundle these height/weight charts up and set fire to them! If your child is healthy and energetic then why do they need their heights and weights charted? I can see that it may be necessary if baby was premature or is sick. Perhaps Mamamia could do
a story about these charts, why they are necessary and exactly what they mean.
I am a grandma now and my daughter and her partner are great parents, I hope I haven’t been too interfering. My MIL was a dragon and even criticized the way I washed the nappies, my FIL jumped in proudly saying that he had never changed a nappy and babies got confused if they were changed or bathed by their fathers!
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You are exactly right. They are for prem babies or sick children and can be a valuable tool. Like the BMI, they’re not the be all and end all, but can show if a child is thriving. For instance a weight that drops 2 centile lines can indicate a non thriving child for whatever reason. A baby whose head circumference doesn’t change much could indicate microcephaly or at the other end hydrocephalus.
There are always other indicators for health, genetics for one often points to how big a given child will be, but the growth charts still have there place.
If I get my act together, I may write an article on how and why the charts are used (imagine I’m muttering that now).
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Weight aside, why would you give a 1 yo hot chips?
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Because the rest of the family are having them? That’s how my baby gets most of his food!
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As a treat when you’re having them as a treat as well?
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I’m with Josie. If the family is having hot chips I dont see anything wrong with the 1yo having them either. Kids having separate meals to the rest of the family is just creating nightmare fussy eaters.
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You mean you don’t cook organic macrobiotic meals for each person in the family according to their blood type???
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Someone call social services!
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Brilliant! I love this…
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I suppose this article has a little bit more to do with the way parenting has changed across the years, but I just wanted to leave a little note for anyone struggling with their Mum’s and Mum-in-Law’s parenting advice. Each and every one of you – you are all so, so lucky.
I’m in my late twenties and sadly both my Mum and my parter’s Mum have passed away. My children will never get to know the special love of a grandmother. I will never get to draw on the parenting advice – good or bad – from either of them. Let me tell you, the idea of looking after a newborn without their advice is reeaaalllly unnerving – I’ll be reading every book that was ever written about being a mother! But more than anything, it will be that lack of support and love which will be the hardest to go without – as in simply having someone who cares enough about you and your baby to want to give you advice – even if it is outdated and pushy. I would choose outdated and pushy advice over no advice any day.
Just brush the bad stuff aside and focus on the good stuff.
PS. I agree Kelly Slater – Coco is just adorable!
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Enjoyed the article, but the title is a little misleading. I didn’t see any advice for handling pushy relatives. Maybe the commenters can provide some advice?
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My Mum is the same as your’s Mia, she doesn’t remember much from when I was a baby, to the point I’ve started to wonder in the past 12 months (since having my baby and asking various questions about when I was a bub), if perhaps she adopted me as an older toddler
But she has been awesome with her grandchild, she defers to me for all the decisions, but offers suggestions based on what she sees with him… I am very lucky!
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The hardest time I had with older relatives was around the time of my child’s diagnosis with Asperger’s. This article was a godsend, so I’m sharing it for other parents in the same situation: http://www.aspergersyndrome.org/Articles/Especially-for-Grandparents-of-Children-With-Asper.aspx
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Thanks for the link. I think that article will come in very handy
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I just wanted to say HOW CUTE IS BABY COCO!!!!!!!!
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My own mother has been a huge pain in the ass: openly, publicly and meanly criticizing EVERYTHING I did. I actually got toldmy playground swing technique was wrong (not unsafe, but wrong)! She thought she/they were the world’s best parents; my sister and I disagree and now I don’t speak to them at all anymore. Much happier now!! (There’s a lot more to this than how I change my baby’s nappy).
My mother in law has been awesome: she gently suggests other ways of doing things which turn out to be a godsend. However, she’s pushy and annoying with her own daughter. I often wonder if that’s because she feels more comfortable telling her own daughter off or if it’s because mine and her child-rearing ways are more closely aligned.
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My mother in law is a nightmare in all regards, but I think this takes the cake….recently she took 2 of my kids for a walk in their pram. I was grateful for the break and thought we might be able to turn a corner, until this comment. She came home and said “I didn’t take them to the park as there were people in the park that looked like they were English as a second language, and they don’t play the same as us”. I am serious! How can I put up with this?
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My MIL hates the fact that my husband & I love olives and all our kids have eaten them from about 12 months (and loved them too). She actually says we are damaging their stomachs with foreign food!!
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Again, not my comment.
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Well like I replied yesterday, I have made about 50 comments as amd over the last year & have never seen another amd as a username. I’m not about to change it
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Oh.My.God! Really?? People like this exist??!! What is considered foreign food nowadays? My mum travelled the world so always cooked lots of different dishes from lots of different countries. This is actually quite fascinating to me…..what kind of food is ok with her for them to eat? Btw my niece is a toddler and looooves sushi. I didn’t realize this until I was eating sushi in front of her and she stole half! Lol. They take her to sushi train as a treat. Her tummy seems fine to me
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Oh you know, pies, rissoles, sausages…good Ostraaaaylian food. My kids eat that stuff too..just not ONLY that stuff. And I might be crap in some other departments, but my kids are all great little adventurous eaters & I think it’s got something to do with being exposed to the weird and wacky tastes of the world from early on
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How completely appalling. Please make sure you talk to your children about people’s differences and how that doesnt make them bad to try and counteract her ridiculous opinions.
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I used to get this with my daughter as well. I made her lots of pastas and stews when she was a toddler. My mother used to fret and say that giving garlic and onions to a child was “wrong” and would only result in an upset tummy. That’s because garlic and onions are still “wog food” to her. Clearly, no upset tummies eventuated. They also couldn’t handle the idea that I didn’t give her honey until she was one (as the guidelines reccomend and I thought couldn’t harm her to miss anyone). Cue the “we gave our babies honey and they turned out FINE!”.
Don’t even get me started on their opinions on control crying…
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Teeth!! My mother is obsessed with it. Every possible thing that goes wrong with my babies is put down to teething. I know many still believe in it but let us be clear – there is no medical or scientific evidence to prove that teething causes runny noses, diarhorrea, colds, night-waking or fever. None – I have searched academic journals and have spoken with a paediatric dentist who has given me this advice.
Yet people are still adamant it exists and are hugely offended when you disagree. There was an interesting study done in Victoria in a childcare centre where a nurse came and took medical observations of the children and a diary of when teething occured. Parents and childcare workers also kept a diary of when they thought the children were teething. There was no correalation between when teeth actually came through, when parents and workers thought they were teething and when children were exhibiting those traditional ‘symptoms’ of teething. It is one of the most pervasive myths surrounding babyhood.
The way I see it, teething is what people say when their baby is having a bad day, has a virus or they can’t figure out what is wrong with them.
I normally keep this opinion to myself because people get so passionate about it but I consider this a community service announcement
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Im with you! Although my two year old was unusually unsettled the night before each of her teeth broke through, that is the only ‘symptom’ of teething we have had. I just roll my eyes at mum and tell her I dont believe that crap when she starts blaming a nappy rash or runny nose or fever etc on teething. Fever? Seriously!?
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My baby gets a fever, runny nose before cutting teeth, maybe you did too as a baby which is why your mum is offering the suggestion?
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Oh I agree! The heating in shopping centers in winter used to turn my baby’s cheeks red. I would have a stream of people saying “oh look at those cheeks, she must be teething”. I would say “no, it’s just warm in here, as soon as we leave they go back to normal” and a women actually just looked past me at my daughter and said “no, you’re definitely teething”. Of course, you’re right. What would I know, I’m only her mother who is with her 24 hours a day.
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4 kids and all had different symptoms when cutting teeth, including no symptoms, red faces and the runs. The only thing I know now is that I don’t really know anything. All kids are different and just because there isn’t “proof” of something to a scientific research standard doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.
Only thing more annoying than grandparents who think they know everything are mothers who think they know everything!!
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My mother is also obsessed with teething and wind. Every cry my son utters (generally because she’s been playing in his face and over stimulating him) is met with ‘oh, are those naughty toothy pegs hurting you?’ When I disagree she pronounces that he must have wind and will proceed to bicycle his legs while he screams all the harder. That said, she comes from a place of love, so I try not to let it irritate me too much, and gently remind her that actually, I’m the mum,and give her a hug and thank her for caring so much about us.
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We must be sisters! So much love but it’s all in my son’s face with such intensity. “Is he tired/ due a feed?/ must be wind pain.”
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I got my wisdom teeth when I was 20 and I
can tell you that having teeth cutting
through your gum bloody hurts!!
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That takes me back. My MIL was also obsessed with teeth and would put anything and everything down to it. Being a good little Robin Barker devotee this would drive me mental and I used to constantly whinge to my husband about it. One time we were going over to MIL’s place and my baby girl had a dreadful cold, couldn’t feed, grizzly, generally fed up and in a horrible way. My husband rang up MIL and told her what was happening and warned her that if she tried to attribute any of these symptoms to teething I would slap her
Fortunately I have a pretty good relationship with her but every now and then I have to put her back in her box…
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I agree! Of course there are some exceptions where children will get some symptoms of teething. Mine did not. However, my first child did not get her first tooth till 13mths. I had to put up with almost a year of “oh, poor thing, she must be teething” whenevrer anything was wrong. Nope, she was just a whingy baby
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Can you link to that study? That would be an interesting one. I would say most babies may be a bit more irritable, chew on things more, may dribble more, have more disturbed nights and have looser stools, sometimes leading to nappy rash as a result of the extra saliva from said dribbling.
Fever and runny nose? Not so much.
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http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/106/6/1374.abstract
Its just the abstract – you have to pay for full report but gives you an idea if you know how to interpret statistical results.
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I had my children a lot earlier than most of my friends, some are only starting now and others are not staring anytime soon. When I am asked for advice, I will happily give it, but I make sure to say that it is how it worked for me and my babies, and may not work for them. I think any new parent needs support and confidence more than anything.
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My mother in law really struggled with my kids not being allowed solids until 4-6 months. And no nuts etc until later really did her head in. So she used to sneak it to them when they were tiny babies. I remember turning around and finding a big crumb on my 8 weeks babies mouth once. She told me she had slipped her a tiny piece of carrot cake (with walnuts!!!) because she needed it…needless to say our relationship has been quite difficult at times.
I do think we really need to look back at the discipline though, because I really think something isnt working with our new approach.
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fully agree about the discpline comment, as a teacher i have found that students have become very self centred, eg “i dont care that others want to do this , i dont so i will be noisey, disruptive etc” .
there has to be a compromise between the two. Maybe making consideration of others a very important part of “socialising ” our little dears.
other than that i had a mother who had forgotten having children and jsut gave lots of encouragement, and a MIL who thought she was past all that ( i was her son’s 2nd wife) and refused to have much to do wiht them
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That sneaky, going behind your back, carrot cake. If you can’t trust your MIL on such a simple thing as “don’t feed the baby” how on earth can you trust her on the big issues?
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the curren advice from my paed is to give peanut butter,eggs and shellfish from 4 months…
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And that’s great – you have a relationship with your doctor and feel comfortable with their advice. But this MIL ignored anything that her DIL might have already discussed with her own doctor, decided she knew better, and ploughed ahead regardless.
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This was several years ago and at that time it was recommended to wait 12 months. My baby was around 8 weeks old!
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Bloody lucky in this regard!
BEST Mother and Mother-in-law a gal could hope for!
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