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A recent study in NSW hospitals has found that tens of thousands of women with low risk of birth complications are undergoing unnecessary medical interventions in private hospitals.

The study found that those giving birth privately had a 20 per cent lower chance of having their first child through normal vaginal delivery.

This from the Sydney Morning Herald:

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The leader of the study, Hannah Dahlen, said the women examined between 2000 and 2008 were aged 20 to 34, were not pre-term or overdue and carried babies of normal weight.

”We looked at the healthiest, wealthiest population possible, exploding some of the myths out there that women receiving these interventions are sicker,” said Professor Dahlen, a professor of midwifery at the University of Western Sydney.

While 35 per cent gave birth with no intervention in public hospitals, this dropped to 15 per cent in private hospitals.

”These are horrifying figures,” Dr Dahlen said. She rejected the idea that women in private hospitals might be more risk averse and therefore requesting the interventions.

”Women need to be informed that intervention in childbirth is no walk in the park, with caesarean sections, for example, potentially causing a scarred uterus, which can increase the risk of complications in future pregnancies.”

That’s the view of one health professional but what of the women having these c-section? MM reader Carlie Daley writes that her caesarean birth was actually healing…

My caesarean birth was healing. How can this be so, you ask? How can being slashed across the lower abdomen, while you’re paralysed from the torso down, and your baby pulled out and away from you, be healing you say?

Let me tell you my journey of birth, a story that defies popular opinion that medicalised birth is disempowering for women. I was meant to have ‘natural’ births for both my babies but the stars didn’t align. I’d read all the spiritual books about ecstatic and natural birthing, booked myself into the hospital birth centre and was surrounded by mid-wives who had given birth either at home or were very supportive of birth as a natural process. I believed my birth would be a transcendental experience. True, both my births were transcendental, but they were not natural in the least.

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FYI – This is not Carlie

First time I booked myself in for a tour of the water birthing suite at my local hospital I visualised myself labouring in the pool, with beautiful murals painted above me. Candles flickering. Music playing and my partner supporting me all the way. I watched You Tube clips of women labouring in water and I cried – that was exactly how I wanted to bring my babies gently into this world.

Yet, the birth of my firstborn was traumatic. He was overdue by 14 days thereby ejecting me from the birthing suite at that particular hospital and induced. I laboured through the stronger contractions associated with an induction for 6 hrs. There was virtually no dilation of my cervix. I relented and had an epidural, feeling like a failure, then my medicalised birth progressed to other levels of intervention – forceps, vacuum delivery, episiotomy, third degree tear etc.

Throughout my pregnancy and birth I had met about 10-20 different mid-wives. I still don’t remember one single name. After this ordeal we had breastfeeding problems that went on and off for 6 months until I gave up – culminating in the black cloud of postnatal depression. Sleep problems for 2 years consolidated these feelings of despair. I felt like an epic failure.  Nothing had come ‘naturally’ for me in the arena of motherhood, and it wasn’t until my boy was about one that I started to feel I had some grip onmy role.

Amazingly we decided to go back for a second round after I had my postnatal depression under control. On one hand I was open-minded about my birth plan after my plans had fallen through the first time; on another I thirsted for a ‘natural’ second birth to heal my first one. We even moved to the country to be closer to myfamily and to access better health services in regional Australia – I managed to get a caseload mid-wife who followed us all the way through from pre-natal appointments to the birth.

She was a fairy godmother with silver hair and an infectious, positive attitude. She assured me despite my previous experiences she wouldn’t abandon me no matter what my birth outcome, even after I developed gestational diabetes. This single factor – the continuity of care- helped me trust my second birth. It is also what I believe is the key to having a positive birth experience, no matter what the circumstances.

Of course when I found out at the eleventh hour my girl had turned breech and in a footling position with very low fluid and was quite likely a hefty weight, my heart sank. I was advised to have a Caesar as the risks were too high. Despite my initial disappointment, birthing this way with a strong mid-wife by my side was still empowering in its own way. When my girl was placed in my arms and she suckled at my breast I felt strong and powerful and we bonded immediately.

Today’s community of  mothers can place too much emphasis on the way our babies enter this world – forgetting the most important things – that our babies are born safe and sound.

Carlie Daley is a writer and mother living in the hills of Northern NSW trying to make sense of it all through words.  Her ramblings on creativity and motherhood can be found at Scheherazade’s Den.

How were your children or your friends’ children born? Would you have a cesarean by choice?

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  1. miss maya

    “Today’s community of mothers can place too much emphasis on the way our babies enter this world – forgetting the most important things – that our babies are born safe and sound”. – amen to that!

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  2. angie

    I agree with Carlie. There is so much more to grapple with than the birth. I had my daughter in the ’90′s. Elective caesareans were not really an option and I had a perfect pregnancy. I was still young (27) and there was no indication that I may need a caesarean. I went into my labour with an open mind – pain relief, caesar, natural – as long as I had a healthy baby. The consequences of my “natural” birth, in a private hospital with my choice of obstetrician, changed my life forever.

    The hospital was under-staffed and over-booked due to another popular hospital undergoing renovations at the time. I was given an epidural 5 hours into my labour as my baby was laying backwards, therefore creating agonising back pain. I had several hours of relief and slept during this time. Once 10cm dilated, my baby became obstructed in the birth canal. There were two attempts at forceps delivery – the 2nd type trying to turn the baby. In the meantime my epidural had fallen out and, regardless of my obvious distress, no-one believed me. There was no theatre available for an caesarean and no-one available to re-administer the epidural at such short notice. My baby girl was delivered under the most traumatic conditions. I tore, had an episiotomy, post partum bleed resulting in 2 blood transfusions and my baby stopped breathing twice. She was transferred to the local children’s hospital NICU and was not expected to survive as she was “fitting” due to the trauma. Her face and head were severely bruised, lacerated and she had bleeding from her ear. I was unable to go with her as they were dealing with my own injuries. She was 4 days old before I touched her. She was a little fighter and returned to my hospital where we remained for 15 days. I managed to breast feed successfully and my husband and I were ecstatic that she had survived.

    At 5 months old she was diagnosed with cerebral palsy. MRI scans revealed that her skull had been fractured by the forceps, therefore causing brain damage.

    I didn’t have any more children – a choice we made together. My beautiful, beautiful girl has cerebral palsy and is now trying to make her way in the world – so much harder than we ever thought it would be.

    I insisted on a private hospital – why not? I’d paid private health insurance since I was 18 and never used it. I wanted a “pretty” room to receive my visitors. Never did I think I wouldn’t be receiving visitors at all and not have my baby with me. I do feel guilty, even though I know it’s stupid.

    If a woman wants a caesar – then that is her choice and hers alone. There maybe any number of reasons. It is her business. Same as any other choices made regarding the delivery of her baby. She shouldn’t have to justify herself to anyone. It does not define what sort of mother she is or will be. My advice to any expectant Mother is to ASK QUESTIONS, have an OPEN MIND and not to have unrealistic expectations of something that is often so unpredictable.

    I so wish that I had been given the opportunity to have a Caesarean.

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  3. Meg

    Most people that experience c-secs do so under emergency conditions. I am in the position of having had 2 elective c-secs & find that women I talk to about my experiences are often surprised – the experience is relaxed & joyous (although very clinical), the recovery is relatively quick & I have had no problems or pain following …barely even a scar after healing finished! It’s funny I feel compelled to add that I suffer from anxiety which was almost unbearable during my first pregnancy…which is why I had elective c-secs…but that is because people are so judgmental on this topic.

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    • Petra

      You go grrl! I too have had two elective c sections. Because it was my choice not to go through the pain of childbirth. This is what feminism is about – choice. And that’s what c-sections are – a safe choice!

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  4. mj

    I was totally prepared for my natural birth – it was what I’d *always wanted* and I’d done my CalmBirth course and was ready. Then my lovely doctor told me at 37 weeks I was a 90% chance of needing a caesarean, and at 38 weeks and 2 days that he was taking her out the very next day. And you know what? It was then that I realised what I had *always wanted* was a healthy bubba and a healthy mumma. http://wp.me/p1m5Gv-4x

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  5. Ali

    Thank you Carlie, Mamamia and commentors. I’m 26 weeks along with my first and have spent the last few months worrying about my birth plan. Before I was pregnant I hadn’t given it much thought but since falling pregnant I just assumed I would go for a natural birth – that was until my doctor stepped in. I’m quite little and my hubby a big burly rugby player and both my doctor’s (yes I have two) have said to be “open” to c-section. At first I was quite disappointed – yet I don’t know why – as I completely agree with what so many of you have stated below, as long as bubba is delivered happy and safe I don’t care! But when I tell people that it may be a caesar the comments and judgement I get is horrible! It makes me feel like a terrible mother before the little guy is even here! This post along with all the positive comments about c-sections has really helped. I will follow exactly what my doctors to tell me whether it’s natural or CS but now at least I feel less guilty if it is later. So thank you!

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    • Zepgirl

      I have heard of women who have kind of compromised on this one with their doctors. It’s a given that they have a to have a caesarean, but their doctor is okay with them going into labour first, and then turning up at the hospital when that happens. Obviously this doesn’t apply to women who have, say, placenta praevia, where going into labour could be catastrophic. There was a study that I read a few years ago that was talking about how women who laboured for short periods before having a caesarean had vastly improved rates of breastfeeding, and their babies were admitted to special care nurseries less often than women who had ‘cold caesers’, because there’s been a hormonal ‘heads up’ of sorts to both the baby and to your body. Not at all suggesting that you should do this, but if you felt disappointed at not getting a shot at a vaginal birth, maybe something like this might be up your alley and could give you something to say to people who give you a hard time.

      I hope it goes really well for you, good luck!

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    • Carlie Daley

      Ali, you are so welcome. Don’t believe the rhetoric. Birth is your own personal journey and yours and your babes alone. There is so much more beyond the birth to grapple with anyway. Much love and light to you on your
      journey into mamahood.

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    • Ali

      Thanks Zepgirl and Carlie. It’s so nice to hear positive things about c-sections! Thanks again :)

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  6. michelle

    Here is the link to the full study for those interested –
    http://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/2/5/e001723.full.pdf+html?sid=23270b27-2ffe-4ec2-9480-0f1bd488d095

    Rates of obstetric intervention among low-risk women giving birth in private and public hospitals in NSW: a population-based descriptive study.

    Hannah Grace Dahlen, Sally Tracy, Mark Tracy, Andrew Bisits, Chris Brown, Charlene Thornton in British Medical Journal

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  7. Holly

    Interesting article Carlie. I really do agree with you about the importance of continuity of care. I went through the public system with both my babies and I was lucky enough to be part of a midwifery system whereby you see a pool of about 6 midwives throughout your pregancy and get to know each midwife before your labour. Then when you do go into labour there is a great chance that you will have at least one of the midwives from your group present during your labour and/or birth, depending on the length of your labour. I had one of my pool midwives present for part of my first labour but she finished her shift before my son was born which was okay as she had been there for the real hard work anyway! I was very lucky for my second birth as one of my pool midwives was on duty when I arrived at the birthing suite and baby was born quite quickly so she delivered him as well. I really appreciated my continuity of care and I think it made a big difference as to how comfortable and reassured I felt during my labour. I don’t think this is really made enough of a priority in some hospitals. We are people, not just numbers and it makes a difference to be treated as though we are important. I just want to say that the midwives at the Royal Hobart Hospital are amazing, knowledgable people and their importance is not acknowledged nearly enough!

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  8. Steph

    I found my caesars unpleasant and uncomfortable procedures – the nausea and vomiting afterwards was probably the worst aspect (I’d be interested to know if anyone else had this??). I also found the hospital stay appalling – couldn’t have baby in recovery, pads weren’t changed for 12 hours, no help with baby etc all due to staff shortages. However, I must confess that the physical recovery afterwards – which is often considered to be the worst aspect of a caesar was much easier and quicker than expected. I am not a particulary stoic person – I will whinge and complain when necessary – however, I was out of bed quickly, driving a car within 4 days and generally able to manage as normal with only slight discomfort. To me the recovery wasn’t as bad as for women who have had natural births and have had stitches.
    I have read that while it is called “major surgery”, in the scheme of surgery it is only a minor and routine procedure.
    Probably like a lot of women I did go through periods of disappointment, that I had missed out on that “elation” of a natural birth as well as that rite of passage into womanhood that a natural vaginal delivery is often seen to be.
    I’m not usually a simplistic – black and white person, however, this was one instance where I told myself in no uncertain terms to just get over it and be gratelful for the healthy delivery of 3 babies.

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    • Meg

      I had 2 elective c-secs & didn’t experience any nauseau or vomiting? Any nausea i had was managed during the procedure with drugs. I wonder if you had some sort of an allergic reaction? I was in a private hosp & was able to feed both times in recovery. I am sorry you couldn’t do this :-(

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  9. Emma Vassallo

    I cant say that both of my births were completely positive.

    I had two Ceasarian´s , first was an emergency C section after 18 hours of hard labour, epidural, induction and was quite traumatic although a relief after the ordeal I d been through. Second was another failed attempt of a natural birth. I was 2 weeks and one day over due and forced to have an induction leading to more intervention, pain , no dilation and of course followed by a Caesarian. The second Caesarian was extremely traumatic as the anesthetic did not work properly and I passed out during the surgery.

    I have no idea who would choose a Caesarian over a natural birth , the complications I face now with my body , back pain , neck and shoulder problems, jaw pain and even ear problems I know for a fact are related to The two operations. I have two very healthy and beautiful girls but the two extremely medicalized, traumatizing and hard labour´s left my body injured and myself extremely disappointed. I would not wish a caesarian on anyone or any baby.

    Yes it is important that we look out first for the health of our babies but we need to start looking why the percentage of caesarians only increases. Medical intervention and inducements lead to more caesarians. Inductions lead to more medical intervention.

    Why not let nature take it course and let mothers wait the extra time the babie´s need to come into this world. Why is there so much emphasis on the DUE date. Every women and every baby is different. Studies show now that babies set off labour and come when they are ready. Medical births have there place of course but we need to be putting more focus and funding into Home births and stop all this fear about what will happen to your babies if they are not born in a hospital. Look at Ida May Gaskins statistics of home births.

    If I go for the 3rd child it will not be in hospital if I can help it. With the support of a willing Midwife and doula I will attempt a Home birth VBAC.

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    • Jolie

      Emma, I’m really confused by your post. You started out saying that you attempted natural birth twice and did not dilate, leading to two c-sections. I don’t understand what you think should have been different. If you don’t dilate – you don’t dilate. At least that’s my understanding.

      apologies if I’m not understanding your point – really not meaning to give you a hard time, just a bit confused.

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      • Anonymous

        I think Emma is saying she thinks the labors didn’t go well because they didn’t start naturally, they were induced. If you go more than a few days over your due date it’s often recommended that you have an induction rather than waiting for labor to start naturally. And once labor is started with an induction it can (and often does) lead to further interventions becoming necessary.

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    • Emma

      Don’t you think, given your first two births were high risk, a home birth would be a very bad idea?

      Just saying.

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      • Anonymous

        I think Emma is saying that her births became “high risk” because they started with an induction. She is hypothesising that if they had not been induced they may have been less complicated. She is saying that a homebirth with a labor that starts naturally may carry a lower risk than an induced natural birth.

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  10. Gently does it...

    Yes, yes I agree with all women asking others be respectful of their birthing. But… Just want to note my own experience. I had many miscarriages and one very sad birthing of my 23 week old child who died just before arriving. My second last pregnancy was delightfully, magically and sigh.. ‘successful’ as they say. And ultimately he arrived happily, safely and (wow) in about 50 minutes flat. I had been under the care of a private obstetrician because of my history but also had a doula. Long story shrt, I started to leak amniotic fluid at 34 weeks. Private ob wanted to admit me immediately and induce. Gentle doula pulled out reams of clinical data and research that suggested I had breathing space for a couple of days before much loved and wanted baby needed to be ‘out’. Private ob threw a tantrum and actually told me I was a ‘typical middle class cow who would be soon begging him for an epidural and c section’. Hmmm. I chose to wait 24 hours… And labour began naturally and I birthed at the local public hospital (ta da!) soon after.

    I know there are so many stories and we are all different… But imagine my shock when at my mum’s group 6 weeks later I met a woman whose story was identical, down to the same private ob? But she accepted his advice, endured an induction, a 30 hour xperience she called ‘labour’ though for over 24 hours the private hospital told her she wasn’t in ‘real’ labour and ultimately a c-section when the baby went into distress. Sigh. No-one really knows what impacts this amazing birthing thing… But…. All I could think was hell! If I had beenlabouring for that long, I too would have longed for a cesarean. And I was so grateful that my little fella literally popped out without the need for intervention after all….

    None of this is to in anyway diminish other women’s experiences…. But just to put it out there, that thanks to my doula I knew I had options that strangely enough I never got from my private ob fellow!

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    • Holly

      Your doula sounds wonderful! It’s great that she gave you an alternative and such good advice. I went through the public system with both my babies so I can’t say if my experience would have been any different if I’d had a private ob. But I birthed both my boys naturally without seeing a doctor at all,except for the final 10 minutes of my first birth when the midwives called the ob in to help with the ventouse. I’m so thankful that I went in to labour naturally with no need for an induction because it seems that a lot of inductions end up needing more intervention than labours which start spontaneously. I really think midwives are such wonderful resources when it comes to birthing. Personally I don’t think there was anything a private ob could have added to my pregnancy or birth that wasn’t already provided by my amazing midwives. They really know what they’re doing and I don’t think they get enough recognition for the knowledge and experience they bring to the birthing experience.

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  11. Mabol

    I find the link between a statistical study done on a significant difference in interventions between private and public hospitals and possible reasons for that – and the emotional experience of giving birth via ceasarean – really perplexing. I’m not sure what the relevance is?

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  12. Anonymous

    After four natural births I opted for an elective cesarean with my last. Loved it. It was wonderful. It also saved my baby’s life. Any woman who has had trouble concieving or is over 38ish should give it serious consideration. Buggar ‘empowerment.’ Give me pain relief and a healthy baby.

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  13. Dkmum

    I don’t like the idea of being cut open, while having always wanted bigger breasts, my fear of being cut into is keeping me from implants, so having a Caesarian was definitely never on my wish list, the thought scares me a lot more than having a vaginal birth.
    I’m lucky, my first delivery was a breeze, my obstetrician LOVES caesarians, but told me my delivery couldn’t have been more by the book.
    I’m having another baby in three weeks and hoping I can be as lucky the second time around, if For some reason i have to go with a Caesarian delivery I’ll panic, but at the end of the day it’s about trusting your birth team to guide you to the decision that is the healthiest for your baby, even if it’s a Caesarian in my case.

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  14. Belli

    I had my son naturally he came at 35 weeks and very quickly with no time to contemplate pain relief. However during my pregnancy I seriously considered an elective C because the whole idea of natural birthing horrified me. Then after I became more informed about Caesars, I began to wish my baby would just come out of a cabbage patch :) .

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  15. Me

    I was in labour for 14 hrs and only dilated 3 cms finally I was given an out….. Yes the relief flooded me when I was told it was time for a c section my body had given up and I was exhausted. Within half an hour my baby came into the world healthy. Does it really matter how? After x rays I was told my hips and pelvis bones where two short I would have never been able to give birth naturally, I thank god I went private and they intervened otherwise if I was in a public hospital I would have been told to keep labouring and possibly could have lost my baby.

    So no it doesn’t matter how a baby comes into this world, the stats don’t alarm me at all because I would rather they choose to intervene them take the risk. A healthy bub and mum is the end game.

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    • Kris2040

      I seriously doubt that would have happened in a public hospital. That’s a long bow to draw when you don’t have experience of it. People in public hospitals have interventions in birth as well, you know!

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      • chillax

        My private Ob works on the roster at the local public maternity hospital as well. He has told me several times that he is often called in at the 11th hour to help women and babies who have been left to labour for too long in the clinic, who often suffer more physical and emotional trauma than was necessary and than would be allowed in his care.

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  16. Dan

    I loved both my C-sections, although am cautious whom I share this opinion with. There are usually the ‘too posh to push’ and easy option jokes. My daughter was breech, I had her medically turned at 39 weeks, then when she was 10 days overdue I went in to be induced, only to be told she had not fully turned and a caesarean was recommended. 20 minutes later I was taken into the operating theatre. Everything was calm, all the drs and nurses friendly and reassuring, and I left hospital 2 days later with my beautiful girl. With my son, I had an elective c-section as we were having his cord blood collected at a hospital that did not routinely perform this procedure. It was very important that all the staff were aware and briefed on what to do, so a planned c-section was the obvious choice for me. Again, it was calm, I felt aware and in control, the staff were all amazing, the cord blood was collected and delivered, and everything went to plan. I left hospital the next day and was home with my 2 gorgeous children after only 1 night away. I resent it when people criticise my decisions for my body and the birth of my children. While my personal opinion is that c-sections should predominantly be performed only for medical reasons, I am going to risk the wrath of many, many mothers and ask the question: if a woman can choose to terminate a pregnancy in this country, why is she not able to choose how her baby is born? Also, I don’t judge women who choose to have natural, drug-free births, or those who have every drug available, but when sharing my birth stories, I always feel the need to explain and justify why my children were delivered by c-section. Let’s all just give each other a break ladies!

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    • Jolie

      I totally agree with you Dan, everyone is all for a woman’s right to choose – until they are choosing how to birth and feed their babies. Everyone should back off with all the judgemental crapola and just accept that each persons experiences and needs are different.

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  17. Alice

    Hi All. Thanks Mamamia for the article. I am one of the healthy people who choose to have a ceaser. I decided a long time ago in my early 20′s (after listening to far too many horror birth storeys from the women at work) that the only way I would give birth was via ceaser. I planned this from early on and made sure I had the appropiate health insurance. My OB said she would do it on the basis that she was happy that I was fully aware of the risks and benifits of both a natural birth and a ceaser. I have been very open and told people that my son was born by elective ceaser and no-one has really batted an eye lid (at least to my face). I feel EMORMOUSLY privilaged that I had the wonderful opportunity to choose how I would give birth.

    Given it was planned I was able to research and talk to people to ensure I was prepared for what was to occur and the impact on my body. The healing and recovery was better that I expected but I did work hard, see phios etc.

    Lets all be glad we can have the choice and the freedom to talk about it.

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  18. Faybian

    I would like to see this study in its entirety and see what is classified as intervention.
    I think a 20% difference between the public and private system is scary and it’s a bit sad that only 15 or even35% of women gave birth without intervention.
    I realise that this will not be a popular opinion, but so be it. It’s only one persons opinion.
    Don’t get me wrong, we really need intervention when things look going wrong or actually do go wrong, but this would indicate that intervention is becoming the standard rather than “help when needed”.

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  19. chellebelle

    I didn’t want non-surgical births but with our first son I was induced then laboured fruitlessly for 24 hours until he became distressed and I was declared an emergency c-section and rushed to theatre.

    Hoping for a calmer event with the 2nd son but I had grade 4 placenta previa, hemorrhaged at home at 36 weeks and rushed to the hospital for an even more emergency c-section.

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  20. bexweb

    In a few months time I will have my third (and final) caesarean. I have small hips,which Drs like to call CPD and make babes with big heads and the only safe way out is the surgical way. Number 2 tried to exit the traditional way but got stuck (at almost 10 pounds I was a bit thankful) and ended up in special care. All I have ever cared about is their safe arrival and getting them to feed ASAP so number three will be booked in as an elective. I hope that I go into labour spontaneously like I did with the other two but if not I’ll be fine, as long as I have a happy, healthy Bub to show at the end of it.

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  21. Jane

    I don’t think others’ birth experiences are any one else’s business. I was told by a cousin in law while in hospital after the emergency ceasarean of my first born, that I must be disappointed about the medical intervention. I wish I was strong enough at the time to have told her that my son and I would both be dead without it. Instead, I walked out of my hospital room until she left and have not spoken to her again (10 years). I now have two beautiful children that would not be here without the medical help, and that is all that is important. Like brides who are all consumed by the wedding day without thinking about the marriage beyond, birth is one part of parenting, it may not be ideal or what you had hoped for, but with luck, it resulted in a child.

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  22. Lallie

    I felt like you were telling my story. Amazing how similar our first births were, overdue, induced, crazy contractions, epidural, vacuum, forceps, epi, tearing. Feeling of total failure. It wasn’t until I had our second baby that I felt like I received any healing and I believe 100% that was mainly because we had relocated to NZ temporarily and had a midwife throughout pregnancy and birth that I had built a relationship and trusted. The birth itself wasn’t problem free but nothing like my first and I trusted her and her advice. The next one we are opting for a c-section but only after advice from that midwife as the complications could have become life threatening very easily and after reading your article feel much better about it.Thanks

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    • Carlie Daley

      Wow, we really have had parallel experiences. I’m glad you understood that my article wasn’t about promoting elective caesars but about the importance of receiving continued care from the medical system,where there is respect for the women’s choices. If I had not had my wonderful mid-wife by my side I don’t think my breastfeeding outcomes would have been so great. She fought for my right to have skin to skin contact as soon as I could. As a result I have a strong feeding bond with my daughter. I also had time just with my daughter in my own room for 4 days in hospital recovering from the caesar (something unfortunately not allocated to those who birth naturally and aren’t on private healthcare) and that time was so precious. The mid-wives who looked after me were wonderful. I still think mid-wifes are vital in the whole process.

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  23. Anna

    There was a midwife who used to come speak at our prenatal yoga course. She didn’t have any kids but was totally against the c-section for no valid reason. She advised her own sister to have an ENORMOUS episiotomy into her buttock after which she apparently couldn’t sit down for 2 months in order to avoid a c-section. I had two vaginal births, one with induction, epidural and episiotomy, one accidental homebirth with no intervention (yes, accidental before anyone judges, the baby came in 45 min and by the time we realised what was happening, I was pushing and the ambulance didn’t make it on time). So I have had some extremes – one medicated, one totally 100% natural. And what I can is that I am lucky to have had healthy, living babies. No matter how they were born.

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  24. KTT

    My husband pulled me up just yesterday when I rolled my eyes when he told me a friend of his gave birth to her first child. She’s young, healthy, normal pregnancy and she elected to have a c section. For no other reason but the fact that’s how she wanted to give birth. And, yes, I judged and rolled my eyes when he told me. I gave myself an internal slap cause, it is not my place to judge. Her and her baby are both healthy. It is not my baby or my body. This affects my life in NO way and I should keep my eye rolling to myself. Perhaps others should do the same.

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  25. Jennifer

    I think the important point about is article is about continuity of care – I felt that I was a team with my Obstetrician who knew all my history and had been there all through the process. It was a real relief when she arrived.
    I also had the attitude all along that the birth wasn’t about me but in fact the baby, I just wanted what would be the best outcome on the day. I don’t judge people on their attitude about this but I sure as hell have been !

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  26. Sally Hepworth

    My scheduled caesarean section was the most beautiful thing I’ve ever done. After being induced and then labouring for 51 hours with my first child (followed by a vaginal delivery with a third degree tear) I had all but decided never to have another child. I had nightmares for months, I did not feel connected to my child for days because I was so exhausted and traumatized. They told me I’d forget the pain. I didn’t. Three years later I agreed to have another baby on the premise that I could have a scheduled caesar. My obstetrician agreed. It was wonderful. I had a beautiful, pain free start to my relationship with my daughter, breastfed immediately and then spent five nights in hospital where I was cared for and able to properly bond with my daughter. My scar healed faster than the tear from my fist child, and the emotional scars healed MUCH faster. What a privilege to be able to give birth this way in the modern world.

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    • Meg

      I had elective c-sections with both my children. I had to practically beg for months with the first child & it was only the fact I was having psychiatric problems that my private OB finally agreed. I felt very strongly that this was the best path for me & had 2 wonderful birth experiences that I will treasure forever. I think that women should feel that they have a choice …& be given the correct information to make decisions. I think that many women are most likely left traumatized after child birth under the guise that they will ‘forget the pain’ but this is a taboo not discussed.

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  27. Anonymous

    I think everyone’s birth plan should be to bring home a healthy baby and stay healthy themselves. Everything else should be secondary. I realise that a lot of women have a preference, but my preference was always for my baby and I to be healthy, no matter how that had to happen. All my 3 children were normal deliveries but if I had to have had a c-section, it wouldn’t have bothered me. I am also a GP and one thing I always advise my pregnant patients is try to remain flexible about the birthing process, stay informed and have the ultimate goal of having a healthy baby. After all, I think we get pregnant to have a baby, not just a birthing experience. That doesn’t mean I advocate all intervention, but if it is needed to prevent harm or death to baby or mother then I think we need to understand that intervention is there to allow us to take home a healthy baby.

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  28. Anonymous

    After a 48 hour labour and a 3rd degree tear and then ruptured stitches and 5 months of waiting for my 3rd degree tear to heal and close up (it is still sore to touch) I would have much rather have had a c-section with the more likely heal time of 6 weeks. 18 months later and I still have no desire to have another baby – in fact I’m not sure I could do it again – but if I was blessed enough to be able to have another baby and I was ready I will definitely be having a c-section.

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  29. lol

    Thankyou Carlie!! All that matters is that new mums are supported, encouraged and empowered to make their own choices where safe. I personally think that birth is the new abortion where everyone feels entitled to tell women what they ‘should’ do with their bodies and their babies. I am so sad to say that my birth experience was probably the first time I felt I truly experienced misodgeny in my life, resulting in deep anger 20 months later and anxiety at the thought of another birth. I also agree that a lack of continuity of care was instrumental in my later developing PND.
    I only hope that more women write articles like this one and we start supporting and caring for each other more.

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  30. Vanessa

    Why are we reigniting this debate? Why can’t we just accept the decision a woman makes about how best for her to give birth, given all the facts? Why is how we give birth even important? Surely a healthy birth should be celebrated, instead of picked apart and second-guessed?

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    • Carlie Daley

      Vanessa, I don’t feel this is re-igniting the debate. I wanted to show women who have had caesars and feel discouraged about it that the way their baby comes into the world doesn’t have to exclude them from feeling positive about it. My postnatal depression firstime round was certainly connected to this feeling of failure and this connection needs to be challenged.

      I most certainly would have opted for a natural birth myself, but my babes had other ideas – births mostly don’t go to plan is my experience. I am pro-natural and home birth where it is supported by the medical system in some way, but sometimes that is just not possible for certain women and certain babies.

      Also I wanted to cut through the crap of all the extremism both ways – the pro-medical system and pro-natural birthers – to say that the key is having continuity of care and being respected, period. Let’s embrace a middle way where women of all ilks are respected for their decisions. Everyone has a right to choose their own path with support.

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  31. Janelle

    Done both, one long labour, unable to have an epidural, vacuum, epi, tearing etc. and one c-section. Both horrible quite frankly, but also both beautiful, go figure!!! Love and felt exactly the same about both my boys.

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  32. Anthea

    I’m not sure why the story and article have been put together on the same page. Carlie’s experience has nothing to do with the actual report that was highlighted. Carlie did not fit the criteria for the study, so cannot be compared to the outcomes of the study.

    But to then say “That’s the view of one health professional?” is just insulting. This was an 8 year study that looked at 700,000 women (and I’m pretty sure its not just 1 person behindit all) so is not just an opinion. IT IS FACT. That’s what scientific reseach is.

    If writer’s like this can call research an opinion, its a shame MM endorses this behaviour. We should be using this reseach to question the difference in care, not kick the researchers.

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    • Feline

      There were statistics/facts reported in the research regarding intervention rates, but also the author’s opinions, such as her rejecting the idea that women with private health insurance requested more medical intervention. This was despite obstetricians saying this was a model of care requested by their patients. I think they would know – they are the ones treating these women, after all. And there’s a very large white elephant in the room. Midwives are constantly up in arms about and denouncing the level of medical intervention we have in births. Presumably this is because it’s not ‘natural’ or seen as unnecessary. However, with medical intervention has come four things – vastly improved maternal survival, vastly improved maternal morbidity (think nasty fistulas etc), vastly improved infant survival and vastly improved infant morbidity. Don’t believe me? Just pop on over to a third world country and compare. So where exactly is the problem with medical intervention in birth? Her description of the figures as horrifying is melodramatic. Horrifying would be if we went back to midwife-only births with no medical intervention.

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      • TashD

        I too am baffled by the connection between this large study and the experience of an unrelated woman. No-one, especially Prof Dahlen is argueing that there is not a place for appropriate medical intervention, however Feline, while you are correct that there have been improvements in maternal and perinatal outcomes with improvements in obstetric care, the improvements have not continued with the exponential increase in medical intervention we are witnessing in the developed world such as Australia. CS rates have been rising significantly in the past 10-20 years and yet there has not been a drop in mortality or morbidity. Morbidity has actually increased. There is also groundbreaking epigenetic research suggesting that there are longterm population consequences to the rising surgical delivery rate, such as the rise in conditions such as asthma, allergies and possibly some cancers. An interview with Prof Dahlen would have provided that sort of valuable information about why there is such an issue with the increasing medical intervention rate and that it isn’t about “doctor-bashing” by midwives or about natural vs unnatural or about judging women’s choices for childbirth.Carlie had good reasons for her CS and her experience is completely unrelated to the findings of the study. But it does incite debate…

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  33. annae01

    I had one exit via the front door, and one who took the emergency exit. The one thing that I loved was that I had the same midwife and obstetrician the whole way through. I felt like we were a team. My OB stat in my hospital room reading the paper until I was ready to push (golf was cancelled due to rain!)
    Both kids came out one way or other, and lived to tell the tale. I really do think supportive continuity of care is empowering for those of us lucky enough to have it.

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  34. neetzd

    Thank you for sharing your story. I am a couple of days away from my second elective c section and wouldn’t change it for the world.

    My daughter arrived 18 months ago via c section because she was breech. I had a wonderful experience and have chosen to go the same path again.

    I used to get so sick & tired of the ‘tut, tut, poor you why can’t you have a natural birth’ response. I now stand tall & proudly tell people that I’ve made my choice without making excuses.

    I have all the respect in the world for those that have a natural birth. I have all the respect in the world for those that had their babies any way.

    The birth process is not the end of having a baby; caring for them, keeping them healthy & safe, and watching them grow into little people is what it’s all about.

    By all means share birth stories, but let’s stop the criticism & disrespect for personal choice or circumstance.

    We all love our babies…let that be the thing we celebrate.

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  35. mummy4

    What irks me with reports such as the precursor story to Carlie’s about the ‘horrifying’ stats on intervention, is that there are correspondingly wonderful stats about infant and maternal mortality rates. I had plans for natural births, things went wrong, and intervention saved my life and those of my first two children. I am grateful that caesars have become routine, doctors are good at them and outcomes are fantastic almost all of the time.

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  36. Susan

    I had a planned c-sect for my 3rd birth – I went private because i knew it was going to be neccessary. For my first 2 I went public. My c-sect was by FAAAAAAR my favourite birth!

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  37. JustMum

    Carlie, yours and my first birth and early parenting experiences sound almost identical. Overdue bub, hideous induction, reluctant epidural, forceps, third degree tear, difficult early years etc. With number 2 I was adamant I was going to avoid an induction as that had been (in my mind) the reason for all the problems that followed. Bub number 2 arrived overdue but without the need for any intervention and like you stated about your Ceaser it was a real healing experience. So much so that I had number 3 less than 2 years later! Being able to make bit of a plan the second time AND have it work out was very empowering.

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    • Carlie Daley

      Good for you JustMum. I am so happy that you got the birth outcomes you wanted. Birth is so unpredictable but being empowered around it is so important.

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  38. Sally

    I think Carlie makes an important point about continuity of care. How nice it would be to be surrounded by known and trusted professionals in our most vulnerable moments, rather than well-meaning professional who are strangers to us and our personal medical histories.

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  39. Alison

    I am very thankful for my emergency C-section. Without it, my beautiful boy surely would have died and I possibly would not be here either. If I am lucky enough to have another child, I will be opting for caesarian. For me, the risk of natural birth is too great.

    Everyone is different and everyone should be able to make their own choices without being judged. I certainly agree with the last lines of this post :)

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    • Renee

      But there is a key difference. No-one is (or should be) saying that emergency c-sections shouldn’t happen. I completely advocate anything that gets a safe result for mother and baby – that’s why we have modern medicine.

      However, to put a mother and baby through an unneccessary operation because they are “too posh to push” is a separate issue. And the one that the researchers are concerned about.

      There needs to be a priority on safety first, elective second. Elective c-sections are not necessarily ‘safer’ than a natural delivery; however, I understand that this is a difficult balance to strike in many cases.

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      • Vanessa

        The trouble is with the terminology. ‘Elective’ dosen’t mean ‘too posh to push’. ‘Elective’ c-sections are still done because of medical advice, they are just not classified as ‘emergency’. Even though I had to have a c-section because of serious medical issues, it was classifed as ‘elective’. But it wasn’t. Too posh to push is utterly offensive and incorrect. I don’t know anyone who has been ‘too posh to push’, all the c-sectons of friends, and friends of friends have been medically necessary, yet classified as ‘elective’. Frankly, I am utterly tied of this debate. How a woman has to give birth is her business and no-one else’s.

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        • Renee

          Fair enough. Classification of data is one of the key reasons that statistics are difficult to trust. (Believe me, I do statistics for marketing purposes in my job!)
          If what you say is true, then the study is flawed in its assumptions. What I would like to see is:
          - Numbers of c-sections split by ‘emergency’, ‘non-emergency medical reasons’, ‘elected’. And even perhaps if the c-section was elected early in the pregnancy, during the last week of pregnancy or during labour.

          Plus I’d like to see the ‘safety’ statistics against the c-section statistics. There is no point in getting all het-up unless there is a safety issue.

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      • Mum of two cheeky monkeys

        In many cases, in fact almost all, c-sections are marginally safer for the baby. In some cases they are much safer. These are the words of advice I received from the head o high risk obstetrics when I was in hospital on bed rest. Saying someone is too posh to push because they make a different choice to you is simplifying the issue. The recovery for a c section is apparently much worse, but that should be the informed choice of the parents.

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      • Mum of two cheeky monkeys

        But for the baby they are almost always safer- this is something that is not discussed with parents. According to my ob, who was head of high risk obstetrics, in most cases it is marginal but c sections are slightly safer or the baby. I there are any implications they are often much safer. The recovery or the mother is harder and they assume risk on behalf of the baby. Whether or not they are too posh to push, this should e left to the informed choice of the parents.

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      • Kris2040

        Actually people do claim that all c-sections are unnecessary. They call them “Unnecessarians” and claim that people who have had them were being selfish, were uneducated, and will never bond with their children and will not be able to breastfeed. Among other things.
        I’ve been told my caesarean with a distressed breech baby was unnecessary. And that I feel guilt about it. Granted these comments are from one particularly nutty anti-vaccination NCB extremist, but that extremist has many followers who hang on her every word and agree with everything she says.

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        • Renee

          Well that’s obviously just nutty, and it’s terrible that you were made to feel guilty by someone who (not for dinner conversation).

          Safety of the mother and baby should be the NUMBER ONE concern in all cases. Every day I am thankful that I was born into the era of modern medicine. In the case of c-sections, there appears to be a bit of difficulty striking the balance between safety for the baby and mother and not putting a mother through an unnecessary operation. The statistics in the article are interesting and make me wonder about how the doctors in private hospitals are paid – if they get paid more to operate, then the numbers make sense. However, they should also be put alongside the safety statistics to keep things balanced.

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          • Kris2040

            Hey Renee,
            No guilt felt by me whatsoever. But I’m a bit of a tough cookie and have no problem standing up to these idiots. The problem is though that many people don’t have the guts or confidence to stand up to them or to feel safe in their own decisions and experiences. Go and have a look through any parenting posts here – guilt guilt guilt.
            It’s ridiculous.

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  40. KT

    I had genuine complications which necessitated elective C-sections for both of my daughters. Placenta praevia and a tricky breech presentation respectively. My only priority each time was that my babies were delivered to me safely. I made that very clear when we discussed a so called ‘birth plan’.
    Both were very positive experiences. When it all goes to plan, a natural delivery is a wonderful thing but for those of us that couldn’t go there I am eternally grateful for the research and technology that enabled my babies to be born happily and healthily.

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  41. Rosalie

    I think part of the problem is the expectation that you should have a birth PLAN. I would be interested how many of these plans are ever even close to what happens. My plan was to try and feed my baby as soon as possible – that was it – everything else I would work out as I went. Unfortunately I was shaking so much I couldn’t hold her at all until 3 hours after she was born. (epidural shakes/’shock’ of emergency Caesar) It was part of my decision to have elective Caesars for my other two beautiful girls. It was calm and fun and I got to feed them in the delivery suite while they were finishing up. It was very special after my first experience.

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  42. megs

    I think she nailed it on the head, it’s not the caeser that was healing as such, but the continuity of care. It makes such a big difference in building your confidence as you get closer to “labour day”. Funny how quickly you forget the trauma of it all to go back for another one!

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    • Carlie Daley

      Hi Megs,

      Thank you for understanding the gist of my article. It isn’t necessarily to promote caesar births as a first option, although I understand why people opt for this given past trauma/life experience etc, but to show how continuity of care rather than the same old tired debate is the key.

      Thanks for reading.

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  43. Mummyduck

    My third child had to be a caesar, as were my first two, but i was petrified. To stop the serious threat of going into shock on the table, the anaesthetist sedated me, just enough so that i was still fully compus to see our beautiful little girl born. You cant get much more intervention, many more drugs than i had that day, but you know what? Now i know exactly what that birth euphoria is so many vaginal- birthing women talk about. It was magic.

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  44. Caitlin

    Love this story! I had a totally natural birth through the public system, and absolutely loved every second. Of course if you asked me at the time I would have had a different view. But I loved all of the midwives, everyone was fantastic and extremely supportive at the RBWH in Brisbane. Even though I’ve moved I’m hoping to get back there if/when I have my next.

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    • Sarah

      Rwbh birth centre….Love it! Over 3 years later I still fondly remember my midwife and feel slightly in awe of her. Mainly because they are so, so supportive. Continuity of care is a major factor, whatever the type of birth is had.

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  45. Ellen

    I really object to Hannah Dahlen describing the stats as ‘horrifying’. Her rhetoric leaves no room for the theory that women might actually want medical intervention when their babies are born. She basically characterises women who receive medical interventions during childbirth as helpless victims wasting taxpayers’ money. I’ve no idea why some women are so interested in how other women give birth. It’s creepy.

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    • Mum of two cheeky monkeys

      Ellen you hit the nai on the head- why are people so interested in how I choose to deliver my child, or wha drugs I have, or how I feed him or her? It so strange. I would never make a judgement on what method someone chooses to have their gall bladder removed- it’s absolutely none of my business!

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  46. Sarah

    Thanks for the great article with a positive spin on c-sections.
    My two beautiful girls arrived safely, healthy and happy via the zipper method (c-section) and they are just as born, just as troublesome and just as wonderful as babies born through the pre-prepared exit.
    My experience has been very positive both times in a public hospital and at no time did I feel like the c-sections were not my decision.

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  47. Stir-Fry

    I had a caesar under general anaesthetic at 28 weeks due to HELLP syndrome. I was fine with the idea of a c-section, but a general? I felt like a Victorian-era failure in the childbirth department. It really got to me that I didn’t see my baby until she was a day old yet EVERYONE else did. My husband wasn’t permitted in the theatre so I had a real hang-up that there was no-one in the room (that was conscious) that truly loved her, conveniently forgetting the fact that everyone in that room was actually working for her and for me, to get us through this.

    I eventually learned to build a bridge. What was done was for my safety and hers. It still irks me that I missed it all but the bigger picture is a better one. She’s now 11 and we’re both fine. And I’ve still never seen a woman give birth ;)

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    • Steph

      My first baby was also born c-section with a general anaesthetic. I can totally relate to how you felt – I was in intensive care after he was born and the nurses brought in a picture of him as I didn’t believe that I’d really had a baby! He’s now 14 and I well and truly believe that he;s mine now – often wishing with all the teenage fights that he wasn’t!!!!

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  48. Anon for this...

    I was in Labour for 68 hours until the on call dr relented and gave me a c-section. I was turned away by the midwives 3 times and told to go home and have a shower. Bub was posterior and no fecking hot shower was going to help. The epidural did that.
    Bubs was 10lbs and 56cm long…she just couldn’t get through. I was never told her size or the fact she was posterior in my prenatal care visits.
    Next time I’m going private so I can have scans assessing the size and an elective c-section if needed.

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    • Rosalie

      I will warn you that I went private, had a scan at 35 weeks and the day before (a week late) I was told the baby would be a nice average 7 pound 10. The next day after an emergency Caesar she was 8 pound 12. However I think he would have managed the 10lb thing a bit better than your experience!

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      • Shaezy

        I had scans every second day for two months (severe polyhydramnios and on bed rest in hospital) and they ALL told me the baby was massive and I really really should have a c-sect. Fancy my surprise when I was gave birth to her vaginally and she was only 5lb instead of 10 or 11lb like they thought.

        Ultrasound, while mostly excellent, is quite often spectacularly inaccurate depending on the circumstances.

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        • Jolie

          We kept getting the same woman at the scan place, and she told us every time that one of our twins was going to be really really short (femur bone was short apparently). We actually asked her if it was possible that she was a dwarf she went on about it so much. Meanwhile, both my girls have been in the 95th percentile for most of their lives.

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        • Rara

          Ditto I was told a week prior that bub was small and around 6lb something. When he arrived a week later he was 8lb 7.

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    • Zepgirl

      I’m going to chime in with the others and say that ultrasounds are notoriously unreliable in giving accurate information regarding the size of a baby. I don’t know how many births I’ve attended where the woman is having an induction at 37 weeks because her baby is apparently massive and the baby comes out as completely normal sized.

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  49. becsparrow

    I’ve had three c-sections (one emergency, two elective). And I recovered pretty quickly from all of them (was up hanging out washing within the week).

    I think everyone’s recovery time is different … and what’s important (as someone said below) is that you feel like you were surrounded by doctors and midwives who really listened to you and care about your wellbeing and your baby’s.

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    • chillax

      Me too! And I drove myself to the supermarket and did the groceries a week after one of my caesars.
      I know some women arent allowed to drive for 6 weeks afterwards, but I found the women I know who werent allowed to really struggled and that restriction on their lives delayed their recovery.

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      • Faybian

        Hate to break it to you, but no one is meant to drive for 6 weeks after a caesar.
        Using the foot pedals puts strain on the fresh wound.

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        • becsparrow

          Hey Fabian

          I had heard that also when I had my first baby but apparently it’s no hard and fast rule. My last obstetrician (I’ve had my three children in 3 different cities, hence different obstets) … said that it’s really an individual call to make. You need to use good judgement on what you’re capable of doing.

          I asked my doctor because I was wondering if you drove before 6 weeks if you could be liable should you have a car accident.

          Apparently not.

          But I’m sure driving too early could strain the wound like you say.

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        • sarahinsydney

          Faybian, my OB cleared me to drive after two weeks.

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          • Faybian

            Well, no one recommends it where I work, I stand corrected.

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            • chillax

              I’ve had 4 caesars all with the same Ob and was never told not to drive as long as my car was automatic. If it was manual I would have to wait a few weeks.

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            • Faybian

              I guess the manual thing is why it’s a blanket non reccomendation in some parts.

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        • Feline

          This is old school and no longer ‘the rule’. Women can drive when they feel comfortable enough to brake hard in an emergency. This is often after a week or two.

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  50. chillax

    I didnt view childbirth as as experience I wanted to glorify. It was a means to and end. And that was getting my baby out as safely and as painfree for me as possible. End of story!
    I’m glad I achieved that and for me that meant having caesars.

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