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It takes a village...

My friend Bec has been spending a lot of time trying to pick up chicks in playgrounds lately. But as the weather grows colder, her pickings are getting slimmer. She is disconsolate about this. “Where’s my village?” Bec asked me plaintively last week. Except she used an adjective before the word village and it rhymes with shmucking.

We were talking about the challenges of being at home alone with small children and she was referring to the famous African proverb “It takes a village to raise a child”. It’s a beautiful saying that refers to the positive impact individuals and groups outside the immediate family can have on a child’s wellbeing. ‘Many hands make light work’ is a more flip way of putting it, but in truth it’s more than that. It’s not just about helping hands.

About a year ago, Bec’s husband took a new job and their family moved interstate. There’s a name for people like her: “The Trailing Spouse”. It refers to a person who uproots their life to follow their partner’s career in a new city far from home. You both leave behind family and friends but only one of you is immediately absorbed into a new job and all the structure that provides. The other is….trailing. Without a network of support and without the distraction of a career to help ease the transition.

On paper, The Trailing Spouse agrees the move is the right thing for her family, often for financial reasons. But practically, it can be a rough ride.

In almost every case, the Trailing Spouse is female and not in paid employment, not after the move anyway. Usually she is (or becomes) a stay at home mother, left alone to build a new village of physical and emotional support for herself and her family. From the ground up.

village2 380x277 Wheres my *%&$ing village?The thing with villages though is that they can take years to establish. Decades. A lifetime. When Bec had a baby a few months ago, this became woefully apparent. Her husband was working long hours in his new job and without family or close friends to help her, she found herself home alone with her three year old and a newborn. She is still working but from home, further limiting the daily contact that leads to new friendships and connections.

Bec has a rock solid support network – a raucous, loyal, village of women (and a few men) she’s accumulated since primary school. But they’re all a plane ride away. Hence the loitering in playgrounds, hoping to strike up a friendship and create a building block in her new village.

You don’t notice your village until it’s missing. And so it was one day last week when Bec and I were chatting on Skype. I was at work, she was home juggling a newborn and a preschooler with sleep deprivation and a book deadline.

Me: I’ve worked out when I’m most happy looking after my children. It’s when there are other adults around. Husbands, friends, my Mum or mother-in-law….anyone really.

Bec: ME TOO!!!!!

Me: It’s not that I want them to do the work so I can lie on the couch and eat Ben & Jerry’s cookie dough ice cream (although…). It’s for the company. The adult conversation.

I love my kids but puzzles and dolls and trucks just aren’t that mentally stimulating for hours at a time.

Bec: But isn’t that the way kids used to be brought up? Literally in a village with big extended families of aunts and uncles and cousins and siblings and friends? We just don’t have that anymore. We’re all locked away at home alone with our kids and wondering why our brains feel like they’re turning to mash potatoes.

Me: Yep, why is it still such a source of guilt that I didn’t enjoy playing with baby toys? It’s because I’m an adult! I’m not meant to do puzzles! Not all day every day. There are other things that are fun for adults.

Bec: Like Rob Lowe.

Me: And cocktails. Hence, the village! It’s more fun when you can share the cute things they do with someone else. And the annoying bits.

Bec: Exactly. I had a brilliant mothers group in Brisbane made up of my friends – we all had babies at the same time. Now it’s just me and 50,000 tubs of Play-doh. Where’s my ****ing village?

Mothers aren’t the only ones who need villages. It’s an innate female need.

I have two friends who swapped states last year. They don’t know each other and are decades apart in age and yet they’re both struggling in the same way. At least when you are a trailing spouse, you bring a teeny part of your village with you; your partner and often your kids.

When you’re single, it’s even tougher. Moving to a new city where you have no history and no roots can be an invigorating way to hit the reset button on your life but it can also be deeply lonely. Making friends as adults is something we all do but until you relocate, it’s by choice not necessity. Village-building takes time. And just like any construction project, they’re impossible to fast-track. Bec knows this. She’s slowly, slowly building her new little village. Although some of it is made of Play-doh.

Do you have a ‘village’? Have you ever struggled with a big move?

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  1. Zip

    This article is totally me. Yet again MM nails my innermost deepest unspoken feelings and worries. It gives me comfort that others also want a village as Ive sometimes felt Im the only one.

    MM you are one of my best friends!

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  2. afd

    I can definitely relate to this!

    At 23, 3 weeks after getting married, my husband and I moved to London for his Ph.D. It took me over a year to sort out what I was going to do to earn the little extra cash we could do with on top of his scholarship, in a way that would contribute, at least in a small way, to my training or career. Part of the problem was I still didn’t really know what I wanted to do with my science degree. I took over a year to sort out that I was interested in teaching, and how I could go about getting experience, when training would involve up-front overseas student fees!

    During that time, it was great to have gotten involved with a local church. We’re both Christians, and had been advised ahead of the move of the importance of connecting with a local church for these kinds of reasons. The church can be a *great* ‘village’. A couple with children our age, who’d grown up and moved away, lived across the road from us, and instantly took us under their wing! When we had nowhere to spend Christmas Day, we spent it with them. When the oven filled the kitchen with smoke (it desperately needed cleaning (uni share house), and we were oblivious!)… they were right across the road. We just knocked and said, “Help!”

    Years later, degree completed, we moved back here to Sydney. Both families close by. Great!

    But in recent years, my husband’s work office relocated, and when I finished studying, we moved closer to his workplace. Now, we have a 3yo, I’m 38 weeks pregnant, and the parents and in-laws are an hour’s drive away. Unbeknownst to us, the house we moved to initially was needed by the landlord 6 months after we moved in, so we found ourselves moving twice in 6 months! At the time of the second move, DD was 27 months, and I was just starting to think maybe I was pregnant! It was very annoying, because I’d spent the 6 months getting connected with a playgroup within walking distance, and getting to know local mums informally at nearby parks – and then had to do it all again! Again, it was handy to be able to stay connected to our local church (we actually moved closer to it the second time), and I generally make the effort to get back to the old playgroup, that now involves a train trip – and got involved with a new one. All around the time DD was *just* starting to become socially aware! Argh!

    But we survived. And I can definitely attest to the importance of the ‘village’! As others have said, in some ways it’s easier with kids – playgroups, park, mothers’ groups, etc. I’m glad I’ve got some connections in place in the local area for the weeks ahead, when I’ll be wanting to keep bub warm / home / calm, but desperately need people I can call / email / chat online to!

    (And all this coming from someone who was the school introvert! The need for a support network almost came as a surprise to me years ago, but now it’s a lifeline! It would seem we learn so much through what life / marriage / motherhood throws at us!)

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    • Mel b

      Thank god for Facebook and Skype, but it’s a pity my mums a bit shy on the computer lol!! I’ll convert her one day :) )

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  3. Marjorie Trundle

    I was the trailing spouse in the mid 1980′s following my husbands career in the construction industry to North Queensland. I left behind family and friends but with total naivety as to where I was going and how I was to assimilate into the small town of Bowen, the Burdekin Dam site and thenTownsville. All I can say that it was exciting and I met the most wonderful people who supported me through pregnancy and child rearing. We faced so many ups and downs together and I remain friends with many of those very special people. It helped us grow up and be resilient and to face life’s trials with greater maturity than I would have if I had been reliant on the family network. I will never regret what I gave up to follow my husband to North QLD. Life isn’t always about you!!!! If it is, then you miss out on so much.

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  4. Em

    Before I got married I had a village, then my mum died, my depression got worse, I married my husband who’s from overseas and we had a baby and moved back to Adelaide. With no mum, no in laws, severe depression and a husband to “look after” (being new to the country) and a new born, I stopped seeing friends and life became very difficult. I’m now separated with a 2yr old, still depressed but trying to get my life back and rebuild my village. My husband ex, is from a traditional culture where the village does raise the kids, and I’m jealous. I strongly believe thats the way to do it, it’s just not healthy to sit at home alone all day with your kids.

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  6. Sarah

    Oh my goodness. I had NO idea there were SO many people who felt like I do. Even after 10 years in Sydney away from family I feel like I’m still building my village up….but now I have kids and we own a house and plan to stay put I’m finding it really is starting to come together for us.
    I threw myself into my mother’s group with my first, determined to meet my new villagers…. thankfully I was blessed with a fabulous bunch of new friends that I still adore. But then I moved and had to start over again. I found, like so many others, that a good playgroup gave me what I needed. MGs and playgroups are very different creatures – what I love about my PG is that we’re local (villagers) but have kids ranging from newborn to 5 years and we always have a lovely older lady or two there to help out. There is something very ‘village’ and real about it – my MG can get a little intense.
    We’ve had a bit of bad luck with some lovely families leaving the fold – the kids have been as upset as me as they did become our temporary family. I’m hoping things will become even less transient once the kids start school in the next year or two. Part of the reason we’re very pro the local public school is because we want our village to grow. I can’t wait to start stalking all the other new Mums there – all those friends I’m yet to meet!!

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  7. adoreyoga

    This really strikes a chord and thanks for bringing up the subject. I moved to Sydney from the UK 12 years ago and I’m still actively working on building that village! It can take a long time to build up the kind of relationships that you took for granted back home – who can you dump your kids on at short notice in an emergency? Who can you rely on not to judge you when you need a good rant? People who’ve known you from childhood have a whole different perspective when it comes to understanding your personality quirks! Having said that, I think once you have kids, you have to start building a new village anyway. You need a whole new network of support, especially if your social life to date has revolved around other childless professionals (see how keen they are to have coffee with you AND your 2 yr old while they’re in their nice clothes…)

    My village building started accidentally. I’ve been teaching yoga for many years and, after having children, started to relate to my students (mostly mums) in a new way. Through our regular small group classes and yoga retreats, we started to weave together a community of like minded souls who provide solid emotional and practical support for eachother. I’m frequently touched by the care and effort these women take in looking out for eachother. From little things like bringing in samples of herbal tea to share with others to picking up eachother’s kids from school.

    I don’t think we ever stop building those villages, it’s a fundamental human need and while virtual communities can be a great support, nothing matches that human contact.

    Nikola Ellis
    http://www.adoreyoga.com/

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  8. Petal

    Hey Bec, have you thought about just joining another mothers group? (sorry if this has already been suggested don’t have time to read comments.) A close girlfriend moved from country to inner city and when she had her second child, joined a mothers group in that area. She found this invaluable especially when joining kinder/school as she and her two new children knew other people. Of course, now at birthday parties there are shitloads of toddlers running everywhere because she invites both her older daughter’s mothers group and this new one! I always need a panadol and a lie down after one of her parties lol.

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  9. Sarah

    This is me! The trailing spouse, BK (before kids) with no village to speak of and AK with a small partially inhabited island. It’s a hard and lonely business trying to make new friends as an adult, trying to break into already formed friendship groups. I tend to gravitate towards other Trailing Spouses who seem as desperately in need of conversation that doesn’t involve some overacted form of talking and maniacal smiling that goes with spending the day soley with your kids and congratulating them for the thousandth time on the Mensa type skill it takes to fit the square block in the square hole first try :)

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  10. KLB

    I too am experiencing this at the moment. We moved interstate last year, 16 hours away from Family and majority of our friends. I am 28 years old and have a nearly 3 year old and a newborn and my fiance works long hours and is often away for a full week leaving me at home with the 2 kids.

    I don’t have any friends here with children and when approaching other mums at the park they all seem so guarded and aren’t interested in new friends. I found myself being way too overly chatty with shopkeepers & check out operaters as I was so desperate for adult conversation.

    My childless friends (3 only) have so much freedom (and endless amounts of money to go shopping & have nights out) and often don’t invite me as I can’t bring my kids along.

    But would I change a thing? No! I love my kids and I am glad I had them young. We moved for financial reasons and to get ourselves ahead. This is just a sacrifice I will have to deal with.

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  11. Rebecca Mezzino

    Okay Bec – girls night – STAT.

    Email me!

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  12. picardie.girl

    I don’t have children, but by god, I know what this is like.

    The 8 months I spent in France were some of the loneliest of my life. I had no idea what it was like to be in a new place and to find the society impossible to break into. I thought of Sydney as the friendliest place in the world compared to Paris, although I realise now I was slightly biased as I had lived my whole life in one place and had a wonderful group of friends and a caring family.

    I vowed to make a special effort to be welcoming to new people as a result of the cold reception I received in my time there. I still think that Australia is so much friendlier but recognise that it is a natural tendency to want to spend time with people you know and enjoy the relationships you have spent so long cultivating – it’s an effort to reach out, but one that is more than worthwhile.

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  13. Just a mum

    So why doesn’t Mamamia do something really practical for it’s “followers” and start a village hub – you’ve got the online network, you’ve got the followers, just develop a forum for women to find other women in their area with children of similar age and meet at the local library or park?? Maybe someone has already suggested it on here and I’ve missed it – sorry if that’s the case. Often everyone else in the room, at kindy drop-off, at the park, etc is in the same boat, but they lack the confidence to walk up to a random and ask them to go for a coffee. My mum still does stuff like that, which I find extremely embarrassing at times, but maybe that’s the difference between their generation’s villages and ours???

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    • ace

      LOVE this idea! a Mamma-mia ‘meet up’ would be great.

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      • MissT

        We organised a meet up, a picnic, last year in Sydney Royal Botanic Gardens. I think it’s a wonderful idea. You don’t need them to do it, you can just organise it yourself – I just put the details up on my website, JJ put them on here in the Open Post, and we did it like that.

        Go for it! I don’t see any reason not to :)

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        • picardie.girl

          Can we have another one? I missed the first :)

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          • Sarah in Adelaide

            Yes please! I’m moving to Sydney next week, friendless and would love a MM catch up!

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    • Kat

      I commented yesterday but was about to do so again to make this exact suggestion. I saw a reference to a website called Meet Up in another post, so will check that out – but at least with others frmo Mama Mia you know you have SOMETHING in common. Just please don’t make it exclusive to those with kids – those of us without them need our village too!

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  14. Anonymous

    Oh this is so true! We moved to Adelaide when I had a nearly three year old and was 7 months pregnant. After my baby was born, I was firmly told by the maternal child health practitioner that I couldn’t join a mum’s group as they were for first time mum’s only, and my toddler might freak other mum’s out (??). I found that playgroup – I joined two – was my saviour. There was fabulous women to talk to, someone to hold my baby while I sorted out my toddler’s tantrum, other people at home during the day that would meet me at the zoo or the gardens, and over time some lovely women to giggle with at girl’s dinners. Bec, we lived in the Norwood area, and I actually met a lot of transient people in playgroup who were in the same situation. We had a lot in common & really understood how hard it was for each other to be away from family & close friends when you are at home with small children. Don’t give up Bec – your village is out there somewhere! Sending much love xxx

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  15. Anon

    I too can relate. I moved to Sydney from Melbourne (where I grew up) 10 yrs ago. You’d think 10yrs was sufficient to build my villiage but I’m not even close. My closest friends are still in Melbourne. I was initially working full time and that was fine as I had “work friends”. But when I had my 1st child 5.5yrs ago – none of my work friends were in that same stage of life and they moved on. My mothers group was were very herbal attachment parenting types and that’s fine, but I didn’t fit in there.
    I have since had 3 more kids – so have been quite house bound in the last 5yrs. Its hard ot get out make conversations with people with 5, 3, 1 and 14 week old all needing my attention. So yes – am quite lonely.

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    • Petal

      Hey Anon – what about playgroup? Or if there are none in your area – how about starting one? Join a sporting group (netball, basketball etc) there are usually creches attached to the sporting complex and you are excercising at the same time! Are the kids at kinder/school? How about any of the numerous committees? I can’t tell you how many committee meetings I’ve been to where the toddlers create havoc during the meeting! They also organise their own dinners etc as well as trying to run the fete etc. Good luck, try to get out, I would hate to be stuck at home with kids every day!

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  16. Anonymous

    We are living in a totally different area with our second bubs then where we lived with our firstborn and yes I am missing a local village. A friendly face when I drop my daughter off at preschool, a local playdate, someone who can collect my daughter from preschool if I got desperately unwell, someone to answer the call when you have had a hellish night and need adult conversation and a large coffee from the local cafe STAT.

    This week for Mother’s Day my daughter’s preschool held a night get together. I have a 3 week old newborn. I was tired, very tired. Hubby said give it a miss but I need to start building a new village and so off I went. People seem so guarded like having too many friends is hard work. I am going to remain positive that there are other local mums trying to build their village too.

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  17. Annie

    As a stay at home mum of two, one with Autism I completely get this! I can’t hang around playgrounds though my autistic son wont let me lol It can be very lonely even though we moved back to my old home town my friends aren’t the same or can’t and wont deal with me having a special needs child, its quite sad really!

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  18. Holly

    I can certainly relate to this. We moved to Tassie 6 years ago and although I have a great mothers group, we don’t see each other often and I really don’t think I’ve managed to build much of a village at all. Everyone here is very friendly and easygoing but making friends is hard because most people I meet have lived here all their lives and have already established a circle of friends. Their plates are full and they are “not hiring” when it comes to new friends. I have found it very lonely at times and miss my old circle of friends back in Sydney more than I can say. I have learned to rely on my husband’s company much more than I used to before we moved here but sometimes I really yearn for that intimate girly relationship that is so different from the relationship I have with my husband. Hopefully one day I’ll manage to make some new great friends but in the meantime I’ll have to learn to be my own best friend and take my girly fixes where I can find them!

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    • picardie.girl

      I found the same in France – people make strong bonds in childhood and stick with those friends their whole life! It’s hard to break in to that kind of circle.

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    • Jo

      Holly – I am also in Tassie and have a couple of ideas for you as I own a small relocation company that helps people move to Tasmania and settle in.

      Have you seen the Hobart Mums Network page on Facebook? They seem really helpful and active with activities etc. Most members are people who have moved from somewhere else, so it may be a place to find some friends.

      Also there is an activities group on the Meet-Up website that appears to be mostly people who have moved from elsewhere and looking for people to do things with. They arrange heaps of meals out and other activities. Having moved back to Tassie after 20 years away I have joined that group but haven’t yet had a chance to attend.

      Just though, these are both in Hobart, not sure where you are. If elsewhere have a search for similar or contact these in case they know of similar where you are.

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      • Holly

        Hi Jo, wow thanks for the tips! I have actually been thinking there must be some sort of group out there for people who have recently moved to Hobart (if you can call 6 years ago recently) but had no idea how to find out about it. I’ll look into both groups ASAP. Thanks again, much appreciated :)

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  19. LuluBelle

    I am another member of the sisterhood of the trailing spouse, along with being a former member of the trailing child network. In childhood at least at school you do in time make friends as an adult it’s much harder. After three years and a baby we are in the process of looking to move from a major capital city to a regional town. Honestly the move part is easy but the idea if leaving the hard won village I have built since my child was born is terrifying, these are the amazing women who between us have dealt with PND, unexpected second babies, poor prognosis ultrasounds, children being diagnosed with lifelong issues along with the lack of sleep, s-x and other things parenthood brings. These are the people who make my life easier, I hope I do the same for them too and I am truely devistated to be leaving my village. Playgroup, kindy, playground stalking here I come.

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  20. Anonymous

    Mia, I did almost EXACTLY what Bec has done!

    I moved with my then 3 1/2 mth old, and 2 year old to a completely new town. My husband was wrapped up in his new job, which thankfully turned out to be great for him, and his stress levels were certainly lower than they had been in a long time. For him though he swapped one workplace for another, and he was introduced to many new people by necessity.

    For me, I swapped a great group of friends, a wonderful support system (where I had been living I had no family, but had built up a great bunch of people who felt like family), a place big enough to have everything at my fingertips (who would have thought I’d be lamenting not having somewhere to buy something as simple as toddler gumboots!), and lots of lovely places to go for walks, or shopping centres to be amongst people when I wanted to to something much less. I knew no one, moved to a small place where there just weren’t any ‘shops’ to go and hang around when you had cabin fever from being home with two very small children constantly, and lost all my support network and opportunity to converse with any other adults (except a husband who had used up his word quota during the day at work and didn’t have much left for me at all at night!).

    I’m still not sure he understands just how difficult this was for me. Like in Bec’s situation, neither of us had any family in the area, so we didn’t even have that to fall back on for company. I have moved many times through my life because of my father’s job, but this was much harder. There was no ability to go out and get a job, or join a sports club etc. I was very much responsible for my two little people by myself.

    My father’s company, when advising people who were moving, said that it takes about 2 years to properly settle somewhere – that is apparently how long it takes to start building relationships. What actually saved my sanity was that I met one person who reached out. That was all it took – just one. I still had my cabin fever, and unfortunately around this time I was discovering the special needs of one of my children which made it all that much worse having no support, but I am forever thankful for that one person who pulled me into their social group! She was worth her weight in gold! She has since moved on herself (we’re still friends), but I have been where I am long enough to have established friendships in other ways.

    All I can say Bec (I figure you will probably read this article and its comments?), is hang in there! It will not be easy, but it WILL get better. And when it does finally get better, think how proud of yourself you will be for the wonderful little people you have managed to raise almost all by yourself! Keep up your online contact (I sometimes felt almost too sad talking to old friends and remembering what I had lost, but just chatting to adults online helped), and when the opportunity presents itself step outside the box. Enjoy chatting to the checkout lady – some days they were my only contacts too! :-) Join some things that you previously thought you wouldn’t (I don’t go in for most of the ‘baby class’ kind of things, but join one of them just for the adult interaction rather than the benefits they are supposed to give your child). And try and bully your hubby into inviting some social people over that he has met through work – if your husband is like mine our social group has always come from yourself and your husband has kind of trailed along! Maybe there is a spouse who you will really connect with?

    Big hugs anyway. I completely understand your situation, have totally been there, and you are definitely not as alone as it feels like right now. This too shall pass!

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  21. Megs

    It’s interesting how many of us can relate to this! I’ve lived in four cities over the last 10 years and each time had to “start again” – but by putting myself out there I met some wonderful people.

    I went on coffee/lunch/drinks dates (and when I was younger, out to nightclubs!) with people even though I was tired, didn’t feel like it, didn’t know them very well, didn’t click straight away… You can’t form those close bonds overnight, so you have to persevere. Sometimes it was awkward or didn’t work out, but most of the time I had fun! And two of the people I met along the way are now my best friends! (One of whom I REALLY didn’t like at first, she was so rude and bitchy first meeting… turns out she was going through some massive stuff personally, and has since apologised profusely for being so awful back then!)

    Now I have a wonderful village of people here and in different cities all over Australia.. so those who are still looking, there is lots of hope! x

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  22. AnotherAdelaideMum

    Oh my goodness I can so relate to this. I left my homeland of South Africa when I was 17, lived overseas for 7 years where I met my hubby and then moved back to his home of Adelaide after we married 6 years ago. To be honest I’ve really struggled to make my own group of friends. Sure, my other half has a very close knit group of friends and they’ve all settled down now too, but all the girls have their own established group of friends in Adelaide, so it’s tough to “break in”. Now I have my own little girl who is 2, it’s even more difficult. Sure, I have a fabulous Mum’s group and we catch up once a week, but it kind of stops there. I would love to catch a movie and drink with a girlfriend or two, or drop in so kids can play, but these lovely ladies all have their own close groups of friends. And it’s hard to break in there too. They have all grown up here, gone to uni here, so they are all pretty established. So what I’m trying to say, is YES I completely agree with you and wonder the same about my village (by the way, I don’t even have family in the same country!). And yes, I too hang around in the parks in Unley looking for a friend ;-)

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    • fm

      ** I feel your pain! **
      Add me to the Adelaide people from elsewhere. Not so much a trailing spouse as a workaholic in a small office who had similar problems making friends in a new city without creeping onto my clients. Inappropriate.

      Those lack of connections were painfully revealed in the isolation of having my first child. I struggled with the uber-mums at Unley kindergym on my one day off, changed sessions and found a gorgeous ex-pat pom who was also pregnant with #2. We used to help each other off the floor after group time! 1 friend! yay!

      Kindy came, there were smiles at dropoff and not much. What do you say?
      It wasn’t until I joined the kindy committee and met some other ladies who loved to drink, use the odd expletive and didn’t treat child-rearing as a competition that I hit the jackpot. These are my mates that are great for grownup activities.

      Weekends are still a little lean as these ladies and their families still spend most of their time with family and pre-children friends.
      We socialise at weekends mainly with people who aren’t from Adelaide as they’re at a loose end as much as we are.
      We’re so distracted by school sport on weekends now that I suppose we’ve been able to avoid the reality that we’ve been here 14 years and still have very flimsy connections. Some cities, it takes 30 years to be a local.

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      • Em

        We need to start an Adelaide group!!

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      • AnotherAdelaideMum

        It’s funny you say that about the Unley Kindergym. My group I go to are actually ok, but I went to a make up session lately and felt sooo out of place! My daughter was certainly not dressed in the right labels! Lol
        It’s funny you know, my husband and I are both I our early thirties but the new friends we have made are all over 40 with much older children. I’m not sure why it is, perhaps it’s because they have moved past the competitive stages? Or just like to relax like us? I’m not sure. But I would love the chance to meet some like minded people who I wouldn’t mind seeing my house looking like a bomb has been dropped in the middle and I don’t have to whisper under my breath that my child’s fab top came from Tar-jey!

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      • Sarah in Adelaide

        Oh, the unley kinder gym! When I moved here from Melbourne it was the ony thing I had pre arranged to join before I left so that I would have one thing to do once we got here. I went my first week in Adelaide and it was HORRIBLE! Not one person would even look at me, let a,one smile or say hello. I spent the whole session trying not to cry! Granted I was new in town and feeling very emotional but I just couldn’t get over the coldness in the room! I was so distressed by it that I never went back! I did end up doing Ready Steady Go and met some awesome gals there and also joined a great playgroup which saved my sanity! I am now moving to Syd next week and am petrified of leaving my village and starting again:(

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  23. Karen

    I’m feeling that way at the moment I moved from the UK 6 months ago to New Zealand to be closer to my parents, then my marriage ended in February, he admitted to cheating on me which I had suspected and asked but he denied it, turns out he’d been cheating on me with a 22 year old (I’m 40 and he’s turning 40 next month) and now I’m having to make a decision to move home to Australia either to my birth city of Sydney or to Melbourne, I’ve always wanted to live in Melbourne. I have maybe 1 or 2 friends I’ve stayed in touch with through Facebook but after 11 years of living in the UK I’ve lost touch with most of my ex-work colleagues etc. I’m going to be moving back, trying to find an affordable place to live and a new job to support myself. I probably would’ve found it easier in my 20′s but 20 years difference puts a whole lot of doubt in your head and not to mention I’d be lonely until I get a job and at least had work colleagues to natter with after work. I don’t find making friends easy, I’m shy at first but polite. I like to get the lay of the land before putting myself out there. Right now I’m very upset about how I was treated after 15 years of marriage and how little respect he’s given me, my confidence is at an all time low and every time I see couple’s kissing it upsets me, not only do I have low self-esteem I’ve lost a happy place where I believed in Love and First Sight and Love in general. I don’t think any Women should put 100% trust into a relationship and that’s not me, I want to trust but after being cheated on and effectively lied to I don’t know if I’ll ever get that back. Thanks for talking about this and I’d like to hear from some ladies who’ve had to pick up the pieces after a failed marriage and how they started to sort out their new life. Admittedly we never had kids but that’s also another area where he said he wanted a family but when it came time to do something about it he told me he wasn’t ready and then that turned to year’s and now it’s too late. I don’t believe he ever wanted to have kids with me, he just said he did and I foolishly went along with waiting until we were both ready, what a fool I am. Its heartbreaking to see women with multiple children and when friend’s have new babies all I can do is cry but try to smile and be happy for them on the outside. This is the worst I’ve ever felt in my life I just hope in a few month’s things turn around for the better. I know I’m better off without him, we ended up having nothing in common and we even got to the stage of going to see movies together, but going into see different movies. Him an action adventure and me a chick flick romcom.

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    • Afroz

      My thoughts are with you ,I hope you find a good job and meet somebody whom you can trust.A big hug for you.

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  24. anthonysherratt

    I don’t think it’s purely an innate female need. Interaction and adult conversation is an inherent human need. I know (as a SAHD) that I was climbing the walls for ‘real’ talks about serious matters. I wanted to talk politics, ideologies, how we could make the world a better place. But would have settled for the latest TV show.

    Or fad.

    Or anything really.

    There’s quite a number of people who attempt to use technology as a substitute village with varying degrees of success. As a geekboy I love my gadgets and social media and, while it’s not as fulfilling as face-to-face interaction (or a good playgroup with actual tea, biscuits and talk), it does help.

    But let’s be frank it’s not the same. Your attention is still split and not even Skype can match live interaction.

    Or a hug.

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  25. loves2bake

    I have really struggled with this. My husband and I chose to move closer to family which meant living an hour away from our married friends when we got married. When we started having kids I really really felt the hole that was left by them not being round the corner, especially since friends from work drifted away once I was no longer turning up there every day. I was lonely and I struggled with being a new mum. I tried mothers group but that was unreliable and I found it difficult to form new friendships – where to start looking? Three years on it is better – I have one mum I catch up with every couple of weeks and I try to take my boys to a playgroup an hour away to see some of my friends, plus facebook has been a Godsend – but I still wish I had mums around the corner with kids the same age that I could tie in with during the week. I’ve often asked the same question and wondered where my village is too.

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  26. Lisa66

    I can so relate to this. In December last year we did the whole ‘sea change’ thing. My husband and my three kids have all adapted well and are loving being here. Me? Not so much.
    My husband travels for work and his main office is in a nearby regional town, so nothing much has changed for him. All of my kids are in school and have found new friends, which is great, but because my kids are older (9, 12 and 16) contact with their friends’ parents has been limited. I have met quite a few parents at my youngest child’s school but, whilst everyone is polite and friendly, their friendship groups have already formed. They’re full up, not hiring so to speak!
    Before the move I was working in two small part time jobs. I was teaching casually and also running my own fledgling small business. I haven’t worked at all this year. I don’t have any contacts in schools here and there seems to be an over-abundance of casual relief teachers in the local area. I’ve lost confidence in myself and my ability to start all over again with my business now that I’ve lost my small but loyal client base.

    Some days the only other adult I talk to is the woman at the checkout in Woolworths. The sad thing is I am now deliberately seeking out this one particular woman to scan my groceries because she’s so friendly and is happy to have a chat.

    Oh woe-is-me!!! I know eventually I will make it work because I have to, but I miss my friends and I miss my old life.

    I’m so bored here that I’ve taken to blogging about the experience.
    http://www.lisamoves.wordpress.com

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  27. psyv

    Bec, I’ve found my new village through the colourful wonders of Instagram <3
    There are lots of mums and young people and old people and colourful people :) I've found friends locally, who I already knew. I've also found friends worldwide and we compare our nails, clothes and crochet. It's lovely being able to share a picture postcard and tag it with a community tag and ta-dah a connection is born. Makes me happy and gives me hope that we're not being stunted by so-called social media; we're just taking our villages online.

    I’m part of #igerssydney and #sydneycommunity… and I love my #ootd and #notd, which are outfit of the day and nails of the day :)

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  28. auscrawl

    I had a great village when an art student and then they mostly scattered back to their own towns then a year later I married and become the trailing spouse for 16 years being an ‘army wife’. I am back now a single parent back home, with one child with special needs and don’t feel I have any village. Old friends don’t live local or if they are they are buried in coupledom.

    Just broken up with my bf from early this year and really noticing it atm

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  29. Mooner

    You are speaking to my heart.

    3 years in I am still yet to find my village here. I have plenty of individual friend/acquaintances, but not the people I am so comfortable with, who I can hang out with for hours on end & who make me cry with laughter. Although having children is great for making new acquaintances, I think it makes it harder to get past that acquaintance stage as you don’t get enough uninterrupted conversations and adult time.

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  30. Stephanie

    I cried when I read this. Even though I am back in my home town after having baby one in Perth,I feel so isolated. All my friends work and it gets very lonely in the day.
    any one else in Canberra need a village to?

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    • Cait

      I’m in Canberra (albeit for the next 6 months until i move again) and also lacking a village. Probably lacking even more than most because I dont have kids etc, but I’m not living the uni lifestyle either – so i slip through the cracks.

      If you or any other Canberrans want to start a village, maybe an exchance of emails might get the ball rolling..?

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    • oddsocks

      I’m a Canberra girl too….. would be happy to exchange some emails :) Have no idea how to do it on this site though!

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      • Cait

        Ok well I’ll start the ball rolling, if people want to email me at caitlin.murray1990{at}gmail.com, i will create a group email over the next few days, and people can get in touch and organise things that way…

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        • Afroz

          i am in canberra too ,i moved from overseas with my husband 5 yrs ago.I am an over seas dentist,I had a job and was in post graduation study.Then i moved here, can’t practice unless I pass the License exams which is too tough with two little boys 3.5 and 15 months(was a premi).I can’t drive which made my movements very restricted.I lost my entire village when I moved in Australia and could not make in mothers group bcz their cups were full.I am totally lonely sometimes die to have a chat with somebody who can understand me.My husband is my only friend here but there are girly things that a husband can never understand.I always have contact with my family and friends through internet but still I miss sitting together and have a nice cup of tea and a nice chat with my friends.I will be very happy to make some friends around.By the way I live in Chifley.My e-mail is swatee04@yahoo.com.

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  31. E

    About 3 yrs ago I needed a village. Although, at the time I did not know it. After a relationship breakdown it was me and my 6 month old son. We moved in with Mum, but there is no other family, and wonderful as she is, I was lacking support – support from people who don’t ‘have to’. To add to that, I am old enough to realise my faults – I am not the life of the party – but that does not mean I don’t need friends! Luckily I ended up in one of the few areas in Sydney where there is actually a sense of community, where families do seem to band together to help one another. All 10 minutes from the city. I may not have a partner to share it with, but 3 years on I am lucky enough to have found my village. And that suits me just fine.

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  32. Away from Aus

    What an aweome post! I am a trailing spouse – love that I now have a term for it. I have lived in many places moving for work and now for my husband’s work. I have learned not to look too desperate to make friends as I have found that it deters people from befriending you. Sounds obvious but I learnt the hard way! Just be yourself, but put on your best happy face, even if you feel lonely inside – save the lonely talk for old friends and family on the phone.
    I currently live in a small beach town and have made friends with others who aren’t originally from here, so straight away there’s a common ground. You can find your village in the weirdest places – my hairdresser is now my friend, an exercise class- the unco chick found zumba and a friend!, a bbq – talk about food and it’s pretty rare to find someone not interested in it. I have also made friends volunteering.
    Good luck finding your village!

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  33. Steph in Budapest with no village!

    Oh, my village… where are you? Oh, that’s right, you’re in Melbourne! We don’t have kids yet, but it’s on the cards.

    We have each other, I have made one friend here (another Aussie teacher) and the only reason I started tutoring here was for the social interaction. I was going a bit nuts only 2 months into being away! We are on long service leave and whilst the break from work is great, my school at home was my village, along with my large family and other friends.

    My partner is keen to come back in the next few years (he was born here) but I worry about raising a child in country where I have no village. The language barrier is a bit of a challenge too. He doesn’t seem to understand this – I think he could live without a village.

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  34. Veronique

    I too am a trailing spouse, moving from state to state and country to country. Every time I’ve built a little village around me we move and it starts all over again. I started with three children 19 years ago and now I have only one left at home full time and this is another wrench…..being a zillion miles away from your half grown children and wishing to be in the same state, hell, even the same country, would do.

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  35. marijana

    I can relate very well to that. I moved continents for my husband, although it was my choice and back then we didn’t have kids. So I found it extra difficult to meet new people, that aren’t friends or family of my husband, but people that I can connect with.
    Becoming a mother then actually made it easier to meet other mums and make friends. However I still have only a few girlfriends(not that numbers count), but it’s not a circle of friends, rather separate ones. And yes they are all mums. In one way that’s grate for exchanging experiences, on the other way I miss my friends that I have known “ever-since” and can talk adult stuff or “remember-this” stuff.
    The biggest issue for me though is the trust issue. Back from my adolescence time I lost trust in friends, which I was able to regain in adult times. But being here now, I feel like I am pretty much back in the who-can-I-trust-and-how-quickly-can-I-trust-them mode.
    On the positive side my husbands family all live here and are a great support, which I am very grateful, so basically they are my “village”.

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    • Donna

      I totally understand..I moved to NZ 12 months ago when I was 5.5 months pregnant. It took a HUGE leap of faith to leave Sydney but I have my husband’s family here who are such a blessing. The first 3 months with a newborn were tough; no friends, no family & feeling terribly lonely. That said I have made some fabulous friends now & feel settled & skype is my best friend :)

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  36. May!

    Yes. I have no kids, but I’ve relocated cities and I can so relate to this!

    I moved from Nth Queensland to Brisbane 5 years ago to start uni, and I’ve made only a tiny handful of friends. HEAPS of people from my hometown move to Brisbane to study, so when I moved down there was already a semi-village, now, most have finished uni and moved on, and I realise I put barely any effort into making NEW friends! I live with my boyfriend and we have a fairly insular life. All my good friends are friends from high school. most being thousands of km’s away – not how I imagined my life 6 years post high-school. I don’t want to move back home because it feels like ‘a step back’ in life, but I don’t know how to make friends either! It’s especially difficult to make that step from ‘associate’ or ‘some one you know’ to actual, real, “call me any time you need”, friend. If you have a baby surely you can join a mother’s group of some kind, but how on earth do you make friends with people in your early 20′s? I want a village!

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    • Miss C

      Felt like I was reading my own story – except I had a WONDERFUL village in Brisbane and am now back in North Queensland and miss my Brisbane village incredibly!

      My friends and I found the music scene in Brisbane was a great way to get to know people and if you find a couple of bands/duos that you like, follow them around and you get to know the people who are always at their gigs and you already have similar tastes in music. Go out with people from your work – make a point of remembering their friends names and getting to know them! There are so many people in Brisbane from bush Queensland – most of my Brisbane ‘village’ are not from Brisbane but have settled there from all over the state. We were each other’s ‘urban family’ and had great urban family get togethers that I miss terribly!

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    • Sally

      May, I too moved to Brissie a few years ago from Nth Queensland. It’s been difficult building a village here, even now that I have a baby. I’ve been to a few mother’s groups but being in my 20s when most of the women are in their late 30s means that I don’t connect with them very easily. We have a few close friends but most of them live on the other side of town so we only see them a handful of times a year at birthdays and special events. Everyone just seems too busy with work and their own families to hang out on the verandah and watch the kids play in the afternoon.

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      • hellopetal

        Sally, I’m in my late 30s with a gorgeous 3yo girl & am open to friends of any age. I somehow missed the re-establishing my village when I came back from overseas, then some very close friends moved away. Then I had PND so missed the mother’s group boat window. I have made some emotionally-close friends through the PND experience but they don’t live on my side of town so I don’t see them as often as I’d like to.

        I live in Ashgrove & am open to chatting/meeting & see if we have anything else in common.

        PS I’m also not from Brisbane originally so have done the whole move to the city thing too.

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        • Sally

          Hey petal, sounds good. You (and any other Bris-vegas-ites) can email me at renesbyATmsnDOTcom

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  37. Amandarose

    I regret now moving away fro. Where I grew up. I always thought Tasmania would be home. that I would travel a few years and go home.

    Life nevere worked out like that and going home can be impossible when you have changed and home has changed and you are on a different .

    I think part of my identity is rapped up in my home – Tasmania and now it just hurts to much when I do go home as it isn’t home anymore. My people are dead or have moved and that sense of who I was and who I am now are so far apart it jars seeing people who think they know you but your not that person anymore.

    my husband has never left his little town of 3.5 thousand people and has all his family and friends and identity in tact.

    Just have to keep trying to find my place. It is a beautiful town and with beautiful people but it isn’t my town or my people and it never will be.

    If I had my time back I would have never left. My parent would still be there, my mum wouldn’t be dead, my sister would live in the same state and I wouldn’t feel that jarring impact of who I was there and who I am now.

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  38. WillaWay

    I think this happens for lots of people when their relationships break up, too. Suddenly the village isn’t so homely anymore, or some of it seems to dissolve. Or maybe you just want to leave it, without moving house. It’s hard to make a new network of friends who aren’t connected to the old life, especially when you have no real excuse, like I’ve just moved here, for not having a circle that you want to/can keep up with. And sometimes, even when the school mums or whoever are really friendly, you just don’t click with them, and the new village still feels pretty lonely.

    I might be wrong, but I think Adelaide’s one of the hard places to connect in. Lots of people are kind and nice, but don’t go that extra step of really inviting you into their already-settled lives. It’s easier to become a weekday friend among women than a weekend, true friend of the family. But, slowly, it does happpen.

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  39. Guest

    During a particular difficult time when my children were small I recall – as I watched with exasperation my no. 2 climbing on to the top of the play group cubby again – declaring to the accusing eyes being cast on me: “it take a village to raise a child and I think you people need to lift your game with ‘M’!

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  40. Lucy Ormonde

    Oh I read this post with a few tears in my eyes…

    I moved from Melbourne to Sydney about 8 months ago, and while I have some lovely friends, but I’m still looking for that village – the girlfriends who come over for coffee and stay for dinner, the ones that let you rifle through their wardrobe on a Saturday night. The people who know you for you – who don’t judge and just understand. I never realised how much I took that stuff for granted back home.

    It’s something that can be really difficult and lonely, but at the same time I know that it takes time and reading the comments here just reiterates that. It will happen, it just won’t happen overnight. And in the meantime, people keep telling me to join a sporting team… Any suggestions?!

    Such a great column, Mia. Loved it. X

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    • Mia

      You may or may not have been one of the friends I was talking about…..funnily enough, my other friend moved from Sydney to Melbourne!

      xxxxx

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    • picardie.girl

      Lucy, I’m in Sydney, and would be happy to introduce you to a sporting or dance community, both of which I have been (and am) a part of. The dance community especially can be extremely welcoming, and you might have a wonderful time swinging out to music!

      I’ve included my email in case you’d like to contact me.

      xx PG

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    • roserusso

      I’d go for a drink with you Lucy in a heartbeat x

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  41. Faybian

    I was the one who moved us for what I thought was a short term move to Brisbane from Melbourne. My husband’s job kept us here. I too have found it hard to find a new village.
    I agree with panderoo, in Brisbane if people are born and bred here they just don’t seem to want outsiders to join in.
    If we move, at least one my kids will probably stay.

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    • hellopetal

      Hi Faybian, I’m in my late 30s with a gorgeous 3yo girl & am open to friends of any age. I missed the re-establishing my village when I came back from overseas & some very close friends moved away. I have made some emotionally-close friends but they don’t live on my side of town so I don’t see them as often as I’d like to.

      I’m not from Brisbane originally, Wollongong, NSW but moved up here gosh, 17yrs ago now. We spent 2yrs overseas then returned home. I live in Ashgrove & am open to chatting/meeting & see if we have anything else in common.

      I didn’t find Brisbane too tough to make friends in when I moved up as a 21yr old but I also had a Brisbane-born boyfriend & his friends & family became my immediate social network. I think it can be harder with kids sometimes, though they give us permission to do things we otherwise wouldn’t – e.g. like this reply!

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  43. pandaroo

    Great article! As with some of the other commenters, I grew up without a village. We moved to Australia when I was 4 so no extended family to speak of, and then my parents separated a couple of years later. I recall lots of lonely times in childhood until I started boarding school and found my village. This, of course, fell apart at the tender age of 17 when I moved to Brisbane to start uni.

    That was half a lifetime (and three children) ago and I’m still looking for my village in Brisbane! Those who are born and bred in the area virtually have a ‘not hiring’ sign on their forehead. They’re just not into newcomers.

    Thankfully, we’ve relocated overseas and I’ve become a trailing spouse in Asia. In an expat environment, it is far easier to meet people. Sure, they’re not all destined to becoming your best friend but at least there are coffee mornings and adult conversation to break up the monotony of trailing spouse hood.

    I’m sure this is by far harder to do in Australia simply because there are fewer support networks in place for newcomers and people are less inclined to introduce themselves net alone introduce you to others!

    Good luck everyone who is in this predicament. Be brave and introduce yourself to someone :)

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  44. G

    Wow, the outpouring of support in the comments is heartening! It’s lovely that people are able to connect through here..

    Suggestion for mamamia team – have you ever thought about creating a mamamia community forum?? I think it would be a hit!

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  45. Alison Triffett - Big Al

    Oh I hear you Mia & Bec. Loud and clear! And not wishing to depress you, may I say this?…

    That village is also needed long after those necessary moves away from family and old friends when your kids are little! It can happen well into their adulthood (whenever that may really kick in!). Because no matter how old our kids are, we all still want and need a support network of trusted friends to keep us sane!

    “Little kids, little problems. Big kids, big problems” Never was a truer word spoken. Maybe… I remember often saying (or thinking) “I can’t wait until…. they’re walking, talking” Or “It will be so much easier when they’re at school, old enough to reason with etc etc” And on it goes. The thing is, each stage just brought with it a whole new range of challenges. In many ways, I now think I was wishing away their childhood because I was bored and frustrated or simply just not confident that I was doing it right at the stage they were actually in. I think I just hoped the next stage would be a little easier in some way. I wanted my villagers to give me the confidence I needed. The assurance that they too were struggling with the same things as I was. That I was, in fact, normal.

    But the truth is, we’re ALL always learning how to parent. Learning how to deal with each stage. And just when we feel we’re almost there – confident and at peace with where we’re at – something shifts. Life either throws us another curve-ball or we move onto the next stage and find ourselves starting all over again.

    Even if we’re lucky enough to feel settled – to have found our village – there will still be times when members of that village may have a change of circumstance and we once again find ourselves a little bit alone and isolated. Perhaps we’re working from home; have given up a dream job for whatever reason; are now struggling either to make end’s-meet or battling to simply feel more of a connection to the outside world on a daily basis? Perhaps our closest confidantes have moved away – or worse, died?

    Whatever the reason, our villages rarely remain a constant in today’s world. But one thing you may discover (as I did today on Mother’s Day looking at a photo of my two kids, then aged 5 & 7) when you look back at each stage of your life, no matter how difficult it was at the time, you just may find yourself wistfully longing for that stage all over again!

    Yes! Believe it or not, I actually found myself wanting to be right back there! Yet ask me when I was in it and I’d have instantly lamented “Shit, I’d kill to be able to head off for dinner without having to plan a sitter a week in advance” Or, “Far out, won’t life just be so much easier when they’re able to read?”

    And on and on it goes. Who’d have thought? C’est la vie, I guess?

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  46. Ceelly

    Been thinking exactly about this for a long time. Moving to Tasmania I miss the extended family I knew growing up in Newcastle. A street full of kids, mothers chatting over fences oh how things have changed. Thanks so much for writing this

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  47. Sam

    Oh god can I relate to this one. My partner and I moved to the UK nearly two years ago, and while the first 6 months of travelling were amazing, the next 12 months of being broke, in a job I was ambivalent about in a town I didn’t like were rough.

    It took at least a year in our current town to feel settled in and connected. In some ways I think it was worse that I came with my partner, because it meant I was less adventurous about going out and meeting new people. It was easier to stay at home with him, so I just did that.

    I’m not seeing a counsellor to explore ways that I can deepen the friendships that I have now made, and it really does help. But it’s hard, and I can imagine it would be harder with small children. It’s also worse when your sister in Sydney calls you crying and tells you that you should be at home. Oof.

    But there you go. I guess it’s what my Mum would call ‘character building’.

    It does also get better though!

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    • ace

      i can totally relate to this. i moved to the UK after my partner got a job transfer there. we arrived in london, a few weeks later he was on a project in Scotland and The Netherlands. So i was based in london, while he was flying in/out of london every week. i felt so lonely and hated being there. once i started full time work, i slowly made friends. i found that while people were friendly at work, there were no invites for weekend dinners or non-work events. it seemed the ‘not hiring’ policy was well in force. and who can blame the brits – there are so many transient people there, who knows how long they’ll stay!

      after 2 years, i felt like i’d made some true and close friends. it took that long. 2 years! unfortunately, we’d made plans and booked flights to return home. so i felt like it was only in our final months that i felt like i belonged, only to come home.

      we didn’t have kids at the time. we had a few other aussie friends over there, but again, nobody we were particularly close to.

      hang in there, those close friendships will develop! xo

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  48. Quixotic of the sunshine coast

    Sigh. What a great article. I moved to the sunshine coast with my kids for love. Love is good but I miss my village so much.

    I never realised their worth before and it really is hard as an adult to replace a lifetime of familiarity and friends.

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  49. Jacinta

    I moved 12 times in 7 years, following my husbands’ very busy career, including twice within 12 months in the UK with a 3 year old and 1 year old twins (you read that right). I have 2 words for you, or 1 word, depending on your spelling: “Playgroup”. In my case it was “Playgroup” or “Twin Group”.

    As soon as I moved, I would look up the local Playgroup or Twin group and turn up there. I would go to a couple of groups a week if I really felt a need to socialise with other adults. Sometimes I didn’t really bond with the other mums, but sometimes I did, and if it worked, it was fabulous. Sometimes I made friends for life. If even one mum you liked in that group took you under your wing, you were absolutely set. Looking for random parents in the park isn’t enough, you really have to attend a playgroup where you have a captive audience!

    Just my advice.

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  50. Kate Hunter

    I grew up in Brisbane, but after living in Sydney for 10 years I assumed that when husb and I moved back I’d resume my place in the village. But no, they’d moved on! How dare they :-) ? i still catch up with old school mates etc from time to time, but I’ve formed a new village with people from the kids’ schools, neighbours, work and writing. It’s hard though when you’re in a place for a limited time, like Bec is. We’ve all made friends with a temp at work only to have them move on. Oddly all the peeps in our village are new to Brisbane or have been away and come back. It’s odd – I think some cities are more open to newbies than others. I thought Sydney was fantastic like that – there are people from interstate and overseas arriving all the time so it has a very welcoming vibe (nothing against Brisbane, which I LOVE) but I’ve found the bigger the city, the easier it is to build villages.

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    • Donna

      Absolutely agree Kate..I grew up on the Sunshine Coast & spent 14 years in Sydney before moving to Auckland for my hubby’s work 12 months ago. Sydney was always such an easy place to make friends. I left my village behind..& moved here pregnant. I have some gorgeous friends now & we all live walking distance from each other. Which I probably wouldn’t have had in Sydney..so I really do count my blessings.

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