There are two big breast fights going on at the moment and I’m nestled snugly between them. In the cleavage. Yes, even as you read this, people are waging war over boobs.The most public battlefront is over at Facebook where discreet images of breastfeeding have been deemed too offensive to remain on the world’s biggest social networking site. Wait, let me check the calendar because nobody told me a leap year means we leaped back to 1953.
Facebook, your ban is bollocks. Look, I know Mark Zuckerberg is really young and everything but it seems he doesn’t yet know the difference between “breastfeeding” and ”topless”.
Because unlike, say, flashing your boobs on a hens night, the only bit of breast visible during feeding is a modest glimpse of skin. It’s barely even breast. More like chest. And it’s far less than you’d see on display in the average food court. Unless your norks are enormous or your baby teeny tiny, their head obscures most of the action. So come on, Facebook. Pull yourself together and lift your ban. Honestly.
When it comes to bosoms, you couldn’t get two organisations more philosophically opposed than Facebook and the Australian Breast Feeding Association. They don’t like each other one bit. Do you know what else the Australian Breast Feeding Association doesn’t like? Formula.
I remembered this last week during a visit with a friend’s new baby when I was drafted into another breast battle, this one far stealthier. Before I explain, you should know this: I’ve breastfed three babies. Two successfully and one disastrously. I say this to establish my credentials as someone who has both loved and hated breastfeeding, who has felt like a legend and a failure, who has used formula at times and who is well versed in the complex politics of The Boob As Food Source.
My friend’s baby was four weeks premature, had lost some weight and was a little jaundice. Nothing serious but still anxiety-making for a vulnerable new mother mainlining hormones and sleep deprivation. Before I’d arrived, the paediatrician had instructed my friend to give her son a top-up with formula “even if it’s just for 24 hours until your milk comes in”. She cried. Tears are a typical new-mother response to most things (“Tea? Coffee? Why are you crying?”) but especially to the idea of formula. We feel like we’ve failed. Guilty. We fear our child will end up living in a cardboard box with no shoes and torn pants and it will be OUR FAULT BECAUSE WE FED HIM SOME FORMULA.
Groups like The Australian Breast Feeding Association have done a bang-up job at publicising the benefits of breastfeeding and I’m not being sarcastic. Is there a woman in the western world who doesn’t know breast is best? Message received and clearly understood.
But in some cases, the pendulum has swung too far, from positive encouragement to negative pressure and borderline bullying.
It happens. It happened to my friend. When I arrived she was quietly seething, having requested formula from a midwife. The woman’s expression suggested my friend had in fact asked for a gram of coke and a naked male Twilight star off which to snort it. Ah, a Lactivist. These are the lactation ‘activists’ who believe so fervently in breastfeeding that formula is their f-word.
Incensed that my friend had been made to feel so bad about following her doctor’s advice, I went to the nurses’ station to ask myself. “Hey! Um, would it be possible to have some formula for my friend in room 48? She has to top up her baby after his BREASTfeed.” They blinked. ‘Doctor’s orders” I added sweetly. Finally, a kindly midwife nodded and quickly ushered me into a locked room where she checked my friend’s chart and frowned. “Can she wait a few minutes because I need to get two midwives to sign out any formula and the shift is just changing.”
Two midwives? Signatures? When I collect my son from pre-school, only one signature is required. No medical qualifications. And he’s an actual person, not a small jar of liquid.
When the midwife finally brought the formula – maybe 100ml – to my friend’s room, I probed her a bit further about the signing out. Were we feeding a baby or negotiating a hostage situation? She winced sheepishly and explained that the hospital was in the process of applying for accreditation as Breastfeeding Friendly Workplace from the Breast Feeding Association. a Baby Friendly Health Initiative (accredited by the Australian College of Midwives)
And what did this mean, I asked. Well, formula was never displayed anywhere – it was hidden – and neither were bottles of ANY KIND EVER. She stumbled over the word ‘bottles’ and looked fearful that it had slipped from her mouth. Were the lactation SAS going to bust in and haul her away for re-education?
To be fair, this midwife wasn’t a hardcore Lactivist (thankfully, most aren’t). While she was at pains to point out that breastfeeding should be promoted as the first and best choice, she also acknowledged that sometimes it just wasn’t possible for mothers to breastfeed or do it exclusively.
True, that.
So the moral of the story this week is simple: let’s chill out about breasts. They’re not dangerous weapons that must be hidden from vulnerable onlookers, half of whom have a pair of their own. And they’re not always a fountain of nutritious love for a baby because sometimes the breasts – or the baby – have other ideas. And Facebook? Stop being a boob.
NOTE: Tara Moss, patron of the Baby Friendly Health Initiative contacted me yesterday after reading this column and we have published her response below in comments. Scroll to read it.
I was also contacted by Nicole Bridges from the Australian Breastfeeding Association who asked me to publish the following to clarify my referring to them incorrectly as the Breastfeeding Association (since corrected) and to also clarify what exactly they do, their official position on formula and how they are involved in the BFHI program I referred to above. Nicole is the Assistant Branch President of the NSW ABA and she writes:
1) We are not the Breast Feeding Association – we are the Australian Breastfeeding Association (ABA)
2) The ABA does not dislike Facebook, and the Faceboob protest you are referring to was organised by an individual, not by the ABA
3) The ABA does not dislike infant formula, and acknowledge that it is an important and often life saving product for many babies
4) The BFHI program that you refer to, while supported by the ABA, is actually an initiative of UNICEF and the World Health Organization which in Australia is managed by the Australian College of MidwivesAs Australia’s leading authority on breastfeeding, we:
- educate society and support mothers, using up-to-date research findings and the practical experiences of many women
- influence society to acknowledge breastfeeding as normal and important to parenting and the physical and mental health of babies, children and mothers.After reading your article there may be mothers who do not feel comfortable to contact us for support feeling like they will be forced to breastfeed. Nothing could be further from the truth. The ABA currently has more than 1,400 trained volunteers and 250 Australian Breastfeeding Association groups, 14,500 members and our trained volunteers counsellors took approximately 80,000 calls to be Breastfeeding Helpline in past 12 months.
Mia, I have organised a comprehensive package of information to be posted to you in hard copy. I hope that you have the time to read through this information and learn a little more about the ABA and what we do, and why breastfeeding is important (contrary to popular opinion, there are in fact NO benefits of breastfeeding as it is the biological norm). Our Association endeavours to support women and their partners to breastfeed, and acknowledge that breastfeeding is only one aspect of skilled and loving mothering and we frequently and happily discuss weaning with mothers. We operate on a policy of unconditional positive regard which means we support all parents and their choices in regards to parenting and feeding.
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I enjoyed Mia’s article and I loved Tara’s response – when I finally found it!
The biggest problem with breast feeding is that there are such fine lines involved in it. But I think Tara was bang on when she said:
“I do not view my formula use as a personal failure or a source of guilt, and nor should anyone else.”
This is the absolute crux of it I think – its not a failure or a reason to feel guilty. A happy mother and thriving baby are what is important – regardless of how this is achieved. But one perceived look from a midwife, a passing comment from someone you don’t even know or a comment on an online forum such as this can send a new mother into waves of guilt and failure – when there is absolutely no need to feel this way at all.
Breast is best for the baby – WE ALL GET THAT. But sometimes it isn’t best for the mother or even possible for the mother OR the baby.
The bottom line is tolerance – on this and SO many other matters – mothering and parenting but way beyond all this as well. When is this going to penetrate?
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Agree 100%!
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I’m a mother of three who breasted her children exclusively until they were two. When I was in the thick of my breast feeding years you may have described me as a breast feeding Nazi. However now that my children are older and I have some perspective I have to say that I agree that the pendulum may have swung too far. I agree that all women should be encouraged to breast feed, absolutely but the word here is encouraged, not guilted or forced, and definitely not left feeling like a failure when things don’t go according to plan.
To all those women who haven’t been able to breast feed for whatever reason (which is no one else’s business by the way) my kids are no smarter, healthier or more bonded than their non breast fed class mates so don’t worry about it.
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Its good that you can see it now. A colleague of mine breastfed her 3 kids until one and then started them on cows milk. She said they”beefed up” substantially within weeks and went from being skinny pale toddlers to chubby kids. She realised now that she should have supplemented them, but admits to having no perspective at the time.
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As a Mum of 3 who wanted to breastfeed every time, but sadly couldn’t (and none of these decisions were taken lightly, believe me), I don’t see any bias in Mia’s article and she does give credit to the ABA where it is due.
How nice it would be if everyone had more tolerance for all mothers – whether your child is screaming, feeding (bottle OR breast), whatever… – don’t stare and ‘tut’ at them. It’s the hardest thing in the world to be a new Mum, a friendly smile is what we all need.
Happy Mum, happy bub
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It makes me happy to smoke cigarettes. I’d be happy going out partying on the weekend and leaving my baby with whoever will look after it. I’m happiest getting a solid 8 hours sleep, even that means leaving my baby to lie in her own poop screaming while I sleep.
I think “happy mum happy bub” is the biggest cop out load of bull-hockey I’ve EVER heard.
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Guest – you have totally missed my point. Why have a go at my views? Why? Did it make you feel better? Yet again judging another Mum.
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It never ceases to amaze me how this ridiculous discussion can continue on! How about this ~ fed is best, however you choose to do it. It really is as simple as that.
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I cried when I gave my first born her first bottle too, I felt like a failure. But she starting putting on weight instead of losing it, became a happy, bubbly, healthy baby and I became a happier, less stressed out Mum.
I’ve come across quite a few people who believe breast feeding is the ONLY way to go and that bottle feeding was dangerous…. But then are happy to give food high in sugar and salt to their babies once solids were introduced a few months later…
So hey, we’re all different, and we certainly don’t agree on everything. But if we are doing our best to keep ourselves and our families happy and healthy, more power to us!
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I was like you! I was shaking and crying when my first baby was 3 months old and I made up her first bottle of formula. I felt like I was about to poison her and that she would turn into a different baby or something.
She didn’t even realise! She was happily full and I was eventually happily less stressed!
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i realise that some people may get very angry about this comment but if you need breast feeding advice i would seek a professional, such as a midwife or lactation consultant rather than hotlines staffed by non-professionals.
with my second child i came home from hospital the day after she was born as i was told that i would get visits from a nurse each day for the next few days. no one turned up the next day which didn’t worry me as she was doing fine but the 3rd day she wasn’t feeding so well and despite many calls and waiting all day for a midwife no one turned up. in desperation i rang the Australian Breastfeeding Association and was told that my baby would be dehydrating by now and that i should be in hospital and she couldn’t believe i hadn’t done this already. as you can imagine this sent me into an absolute panic. i rang the maternity ward and spoke to a midwife to see if i could come in for help. she was mortified that i was given that terrible and completely wrong advice and also that no one had come to see me. i had someone at my house that day and everyday for a week.
the woman on the hotline was not a medical professional. i don’t know what training they are given but her advice was just so wrong. it made me so upset and at a time when the baby blues were kicking in i really didn’t need that. it was negligent. i never called them again and wouldn’t recommend them either.
i know many other have had great success with them but i would double check the advice.
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hi greentrees,
I’m sorry to hear you felt you had a bad experience with an ABA Helpline counsellor. These very dedicated women do a 2 year course on breastfeeding and counselling (Certificate 4), but will always admit they are not medical professionals – which is why, if you told a counsellor your 3 day old baby was not feeding well, she would have told you to seek medical advice urgently. Poor feeding can rapidly become dehydration in a newborn and CAN be very serious – this happened to my son on day 4, and he became unresponsive and too tired to feed, needing extra fluids prescribed by a doctor.
So although it sounds like it was a difficult time for you, the trained volunteer was doing her best in a situation where the primary rule is ‘feed the baby’. There is a limit to what ABA can do for you over the phone, and of course seeing your midwife was the best thing next for you to do.
I’m surprised you aren’t bagging the hospital for not sending your midwife as promised – ABA is not intended to replace home visits by a health professional, rather to provide mother to mother support – if you’d told your best friend your newborn baby wasn’t feeding, would she have told you to take her to hospital? i would hope so.
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If the primary rule is ‘feed the baby’ and this was apparently an emergency, then why did the ABA counsellor panic green trees by telling her to rush off to hospital rather than just telling her to grab some formula and see a midwife asap. This seems OTT and completely uneccesary.
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Lau, i thought their advice was OTT but i was also tired and stressed about the feeding. I’m glad i rang and talked to a midwife before making a trip to casualty, especially as she told me symptoms for dehydration, none of which my daughter had. this was also my second child and i’d had many problems breast feeding my first so i knew that it can sometimes be a case of a few good feeds followed by some bad ones until you both get the hang of it.
with my first one very sensible midwife made me breast feed and top up with formula so that he wouldn’t go hungry. the midwife on the next shift carried on like i was shooting him up with heroin. such silliness over a little formula for one week of his life.
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@lau, because by the time the mum goes to get formula, she might as well have gone to see a medical professional as to why her newborn wasn’t feeding properly… if there was a medical reason why the baby was not feeding well (allergies, reflux, milk not coming in properly because of retained placenta, hangover from drugs at birth, jaundice, poor attachment and damaged nipples, etc etc), pouring formula down her throat might not have been the best response – that sort of decision is to be made by a medical person face to face, not a volunteer over the phone, who is only going on what the mother is telling her. Attachment issues like that need to be seen immediately, or they can get a lot worse, very quickly, as I’ve said.
It’s a shame the counsellor frightened the mother (and I had a similar experience when a midwife in hospital scared my over my floppy and tired son), but these things do sometimes happen, and it did prompt greentrees to phone the hospital and check with them – which was the best outcome for the baby.
after ‘feed the baby’, it’s ‘protect the supply’ – which advocating formula in a breastfed 2-3 day old doesn’t, unless under medical supervision.
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Hi Kimberley, that initial guilt you felt is such a powerful emotion, I remember crying and crying in a similar situation with my third baby. Sounds like you and your hubby are amazing parents, how lucky your baby is, great work.
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I agree, there are some breastfeeding advocates who are a bit overzealous. However, I would argue that there are some formula feeding mothers who are also incredibly zealous in defending their use of formula. I have seen several mothers who admit that they are struggling with feeding. However it seems that we can’t just support them, and encourage them to get through that rough time. Instead, people repeat the line “happy mum, happy bub” etc etc. I have tried to support a mother to keep feeding once (in a supportive, kind way) and was shot down by others because they went to formula and it was fine for them.
Because the thing is, breast is different to formula. You can’t deny that, science has proven it. There is no way you can replicate the make-up of breastmilk with formula. So we really should be encouraging mothers to use breastmilk as much as is possible. I strongly believe in the immunological benefits of breastmilk. Especially in the first 6 weeks of a baby’s life when their immune system is so low.
I struggled with breastfeeding my daughter. It was excruciating. But I persisted (with help from lactation counsellors, my family etc) and eventually we got there. I wanted to bf from the start, so I never bought bottles or formula. When you have no other option, you just have to make do. I’m also thrifty, and I had no intention of paying for something that was free! (a concept I’m amazed doesn’t motivate more people).
Master A was alot easier, although he is self-weaning now (at 11 months). When he was born, he needed a formula top-up because of low blood sugar. It was just the one, the MW gave it to him with no fuss, and it didn’t affect him after that. I have managed to bf him through being sick, through a brain tumour diagnosis, through radiation. It can be done.
I am not having a go at mothers who do ff. We need to support each other. But I am also going to publicly support anyone who wants to bf, and is finding it difficult. I feel if you can hang in there for the first 6 weeks, you have done a wondeful thing for your child.
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I absolutely agree with this. For various reasons, I had a horrible time bf my first child but stuck with it til she lost interest at 13mths. I feel guilty when I encourage others to avoid formula, but I feel it’s important to stick it out if you can. I’m not a ‘lactivist’, just someone trying to help others by relating my experience.
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Oopsy, I have the exact same attitude. My breastfeeding KDot isn’t some kind of earth mother stance. I just figured if it worked and we were both cool with it, I’d do it, because what’s the point paying for something that isn’t as good as something I can make myself for free??
I actually wonder if some people use formula to prove that they’re rich enough to buy it?
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Kris I’m not sure about that. On my baby forum, I saw heaps of youger ones who just didn’t want to do it (one proudly says she told the MW she would bf then bought formula on the way, knowing she would never feed). I know one girl who stopped bfing after day two because she had already bought everything and it “would be a waste”. But these aren’t well off women. I just shake my head. I find it really sad that they aren’t even willing to give it a go.
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Why did you find it sad though? It’s not you and your baby? And also, why feel sorry for a baby with a loving mother?
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I believe so strongly in the immunological benefits that whenever I hear about a baby that has not received any breast milk at all, I feel sad. I feel anxious and worried for them. Especially in this current climate where there is a resurgence in awful things like whooping cough. I don’t see this as just an issue about my baby and mine alone, I see it as a community health issue akin to vaccination.
I am also a health professional, so I probably have a slightly different viewpoint to a lay person.
I just want to state again that I’m not anti-formula. I don’t see an issue with mix feeding, or feeding EBM. As long as baby gets some of those fantastic antibodies that Mum has (and which formula doesn’t/can’t)
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What?! I had no choice but to use formula and hated (among the judgement factor) that it cost so bloody much money.
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Ease up, I said I wondered if some people. I didn’t say “All people do this because”
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To suggest women may be showing off that they’re wealthy if they use formula, is really sad that perception is thought of. I had no milk. Full stop. Am I to be vilified for that? My almost 3 year old is happy, healthy and our bond could not be stronger. Guess what? She was bottle fed. Please give women a break.
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See my comment above. Reread and chill out.
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Thank God for you, Mia Freedman. Someone game enough to speak the truth. GO GIRL!
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Mia, I am giving you a standing ovation from my lounge room.
The ABA may aim to be supportive but the cold, hard truth is that there are women being traumatised by ABA representatives and midwives about their feeding choices.
And while I appreciate Tara Moss’ comments .. find me a woman in Australia who DOESN’T know that breast is best. It’s everywhere. In the newspaper. Discussed on breakfast TV and current affairs programs. Every hospital has posters and brochures. WE KNOW. But there are a whole slew of reasons why women can’t do it. And you know what? It would be nice if there were also some brochures on bottle feeding or combined feeding or on sterilising the bottles to help reassure mothers that they are not going to hell in a handbasket. I promise the world won’t implode if women are given this information. The pendulum has swung too far one way. Mothers are being made to feel like second-class citizens if they cannot breastfeed.
I successfully breastfed my first child for 12 months. But last year when I had my second baby I ran into problems and was advised to give both express milk and give formula top-ups to help my baby gain weight (she had lost a large amount of weight and doctors were concerned). I was publicly berated at the front desk by one midwife and told that I “wasn’t trying hard enough”. Meanwhile, every single midwife who looked after me (as lovely as they all were) had a different theory on what I should be doing.
Give the EBM through a syringe!
Why are you using a syringe! You should be finger feeding.
Oh finger feeding will take hours. Give it to her in a bottle.
Why are you using bottles? Your daughter will have nipple / bottle confusion. Here’s a syringe.
Why are you using formula?
My head exploded. And it got to the point where I was afraid of the midwife shift-change because i just knew I’d be doing it “wrong”.
Breast is best. Yes. And breastfeeding is wonderful if it’s working. And sure, often persistence is needed to get it right. But sometimes it NEVER works. And the best mother is a sane mother. Not one who is breastfeeding and in constant tears.
New mothers have enough to deal with without this kind of guilt-trip.
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I give you a standing ovation for that response Cathy. Agree with everything you said
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you are so right about every midwife telling you to do it another way. it’s just so confusing. i get that there are many ways to go about it – from positions to hold the baby in and how many times per day, but when you get a different story from each midwife and then get told you are doing it the wrong way, formula starts to look very easy in comparison doesn’t it?
perhaps hospitals should work out some guidelines and make sure all staff stick to them so that they are offering consistent advice. variations to the guidelines could be addressed with patients if problems arise.
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“perhaps hospitals should work out some guidelines and make sure all staff stick to them so that they are offering consistent advice. variations to the guidelines could be addressed with patients if problems arise”
yes, it’s called the Baby Friendly hospital Initiative, supported by the Aust College of Midwives and based on work of the world Health Organisation. It’s just that most Aussie hospitals aren’t accredited yet, it takes time and costs money to make the necessary changes. Extra funding from Got to do this would be very helpful, but alas, will never happen!
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Yes, we all know the importance of breastfeeding. But we also know the importance of all sorts of things for our children and for our own lives. Some we choose to do, some we dont. Even when we do know there is a better alternative, we are human and we have to do what works for us. Nobody else. Otherwise nobody would smoke, nobody would be overweight and nobody would leave tiny babies in long daycare full-time. Arguments about breastfeeding are nit picking and dont achieve anything other than making those who can feel smug and those who cant like failures. I think we all need to get over it, and until every aspect of our own lives and that of our childrens are perfect, I think we just need to get on with being the best parent we can be and mind our own bloody business.
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Thank you Tara for a well written evidence-based response to Mia’s article. My perspective is a little different to others, I had to give up breastfeeding my second child at 8 months as I needed urgent surgery for breast cancer. It saddens me that so few women (14%! really!) only exclusively breastfeed to six months. I hope the BFHI is successful in raising these percentages with their initiatives.
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Hi Mia, I have never commented before but this topic is one I feel strongy about. I had my beautiful son 10 weeks ago. I breastfed exclusively for 4 weeks. My son was losing weight, constantly at the breast and desperate for food. I have PCOS, a disorder that can cause low milk supply in women. Before I get responses suggesting what I can do to overcome low milk supply believe me I have tried EVERYTHING. Two lactation consultants, motilium, fenugreek, expressing between feeds, supply lines, the list goes on. My baby was desperate for food. I was desperate to feed him, the guilt is immense. The ABA simply said “don’t worry about his weight, breast fed babies are always lighter”, the newborn support office i saw wouldnt even entertain the idea of formula top ups, saying it would impact my supply. The thing was my baby was taking every drop of milk from my breasts at each feed. My supply was so low it wasnt adequately feeding him. Well he still hadn’t regained his birthweight by 4 weeks our concerned Dr ordered me to do formula top ups. I cried and cried. That night, when my baby was so hungry he was inconsolable, my husband got up and made him top up bottle of formula. My baby held on to that bottle like it was his lifeline and drank every drop. I had tears running down my face, finally my little baby was able to go to sleep with a full belly. How I wish I had given that to him earlier. I had been starving my baby.
He is now 10 weeks old and is thriving. I am still breastfeeding and doing formula top ups. I would love to be exclusively breastfeeding but I can’t. I am happy for those of you who can. To people like Tara Moss, yes we all know breastfeeding is best. That is why I have fought so hard to continue. Mia was highlighting a problem that I have experienced first hand, hospitals, midwives seem to be happier to let a child starve than introduce formula. Tara, if you would have seen my son, so tiny and constantly hungry, desperate for food for the first four weeks of his life you would understand what it was like. We need to stop making women feel guilty about this.
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See my earlier comment. Thank you for feeding me- breast or bottle!
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Bebe, I am a different poster to the other Kimberley you responded to
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I gave birth in a “baby friendly” hospital and I had a mostly positive experience. I was determined to breastfeed and was blessed with so much colostrum and milk but had so many issues attaching that I had start expressing and bottle feeding after a few days. I just couldnt tolerate the pain. Most midwives were very supportive of this while my nipples healed but one nasty midwife told me I would give up breastfeeding as my baby had been fed by a bottle (of EBM!).
That nasty comment made me even more determined to breastfeed. I was given lengthy lessons by lactation consultants which was brilliant and when I got home it all clicked and I started to attach properly. Im not sure how some women manage to feed EBM as I was sick of it after a few days… you’re either expressing, feeding the baby or washing bottles! Once I got the hang of it, I went from dreading a feed to loving it.
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Thank you Tara Moss for an eloquent, balanced, evidence-informed and respectful response! Mia – time to get educated. It’s not about making mums feel bad about using bottles or formula – it’s about supporting and educating them so that they don’t have to (where possible, which is the vast majority of cases).
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I may be about to have a lynch mob chase me down but…
I have a 17mth old (happy, healthy beautiful and strong). I chose before he was born that I was not going to breastfeed. I knew it just wouldn’t work for me and for my personal reasons I would not be comfortable with it. When I informed my midwife about this, she looked at me like I had told her I was going to feed my kid dog food.
My son was born naturally, 9 pound 11, and took to the bottle straight away, no problem, which is just as well because I didn’t see my child until the day after I had him due to my health complications. So Daddy did the first 24 hours without a hitch.
The next day, with me hooked up to blood transfusions and barely awake, I had the breastfeeding lady come to chat (even though I knew she was coming and had requested that she didn’t bother).
In she came while hubby was feeding and having a beautiful bonding moment with our son (yes it DOES exist with bottle feeding). She tut tutted at me, and hubby and again at me.
She spoke to me like I was a piece of child bashing sh*t. She told me that it was sad I didn’t care enough about my child to breastfeed and that I should get myself better informed about how to raise a child.
I told her that for my personal reasons, I didn’t feel comfortable and that formula was right for us. (and it really has been).
Parents have enough pressure put on them without being bullied (I don’t care what anyone else says, this woman WAS a BULLY).
In saying that, Im all for parents CHOOSING a feeding option for THEIR children. Good on you to all women who have breastfed their children and loved it and for those who go to formula, good on you as well. If your child is happy and healthy, should it matter?
I hate that mothers are being so horrible to each other about something that is a PERSONAL CHOICE. read: CHOICE.
I made my choice as an educated person (not because I had no Idea about raising a baby, thank you very much).
I have been confronted in cafe’s by lactivists. One who came over to say that I shouldn’t be poisoning my child and shame on me…
I agree that this whole bullying and judging is one of the reasons PND is so high.
To each their own. Only you know your body and what is best.
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All that I can hear from you in this post is what is best for “me”, not what is best for my child. I’m sorry if this appears harshly judgemental but I loathe this parent-centered focus rather than child-centered focus, which similarly occurs in arguments in favour of, for eg, controlled crying.
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Nobody understood my earlier comment, so your point is valid
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Im really sorry that you feel that way. I care about my child deeply and completely. The point I was just trying to make was that parents shouldn’t be guilted into making a decision that they are not comfortable with. No one knows anyone else’s story and so they should be able to judge.
We should all support each other no matter what we choose.
And Lamb, its harsh judgements that I am so against. And for the record I could never control cry, but that’s just me. I couldn’t stand listening to my child cry without intervening. But that may surprise you since I am so “parent centered”.
Parenting shouldn’t be a competition or a battleground. It should be the best time of you life and because of the choice I made it has been for me AND my baby.
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Kimberly I was making absolutely no assumption about whether you use control crying or not, I was merely using the example to illustrate what I believe is a misguided focus in parenting – that is, on what’s best for me, not baby. It’s not personal
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Sometimes, what is best for mum IS what is best for baby.
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Hy Lamb – one day soon we will discuss controlled crying because I am a huge advocate!. Huge!
I think it’s simplistic to talk about what’s ‘best’ for baby. Because a mother who is not coping or not sleeping or who has had mastitis several times – is not going to be able to meet their baby’s needs (all of them) as well as a mother who may be feeding with formula.
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Mia – I’ll look forward to that discussion, which will no doubt be written by you, according to your own bent, without the hard facts (a la your current article)
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Check out the Australian Institute for Infant Mental Health’s position paper – google it, I can’t link from my phone. It’s not a good idea.
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HI Lamb
The Murdoch Children’s Research Insititue did the first world-wide study into controlled crying and the results were positive. Not negative. (Of course not all “controlled crying” strategies are the same … we’re talking about leaving a child for 5-10 minutes at a time NOT hours). Here’s the link http://www.mcri.edu.au/news/2010/march/'controlled-crying‘.aspx
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I would LOVE a well-researched article on controlled crying (one which presents some scientific research on its effects) because I am deep in the mire of newborn problems at the moment and feel like my instinctive aversion to crying is actually causing more crying than it is curing!!! Sure, I’m not leaving my baby to cry unattended, but it takes me 4 or 5 hours to get my baby to sleep during which time there are multiple episodes of crying!
Edited to add: I can’t bear to leave my child to cry but I have also been told leaving to cry can have lasting psychological effects… which is why I would love to hear the latest research.
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http://www.askdrsears.com/topics/fussy-baby/science-says-excessive-crying-could-be-harmful.
This will give you references to research cited in this article. The Australian Infant Mental health association has a position paper against controlled crying.
What are the options I hear parents cry? There are many depending on your ‘style’ of parenting. ‘Controlled comforting’ I find is a safe middle ground for very young babies where you respond to their cries, but also allow them to learn to resettle themselves using developmentally appropriate strategies. Good luck and trust your instincts
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I tried to post a link for you to Dr Sears who has referenced a few sources for information into research about controlled crying, but the comment did not appear, possibly moderated. Just google Dr Sears, the Science of Parenting by Margot Sunderland is a good read, also Love Matters by Sue Gerhardt.
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Thank you – will look into it : )
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Hi Mooner,
I wrote a piece about this for Sunny Days magazine about 18 months ago. I’ve put it up on my blog for you to read if you like. http://thesarahkatemonologues.blogspot.com.au/2012/02/controlled-crying-great-debate.html
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Thank you!
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HI Mooner
Here’s the results of the well-respected Murdoch Children’s Research Institute which did the first worldwide study into controlled crying … it came out as positive but have a read and see that it should be for babies OVER 6 months and also with set, short times in place (so you never really leave a baby for more than 10 minutes or so). Hope that helps http://www.mcri.edu.au/news/2010/march/'controlled-crying‘.aspx
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Thank you for that : )
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A story about controlled crying will get great attention, so I look forward to it.
As women we are becoming more solution focused and less able to tune in to our instincts. Controlled crying is a solution, but research shows clearly that it is not ‘best for baby’. Sorry MIa. Most mothers I see ‘instinctually’ want to pick up a distressed baby/child- in fact it is biologically programmed into our survival as a species.
Sleep deprivation has always been part of becoming a parent, yet our mothers and grandmothers dealt with it. Despite all the information ( or perhaps because of it) maternal anxiety is skyrocketing.
Perhaps we haven’t got the balance right, perhaps we can’t have it all.
Yes, we should have choice.
Yes, there needs to be a balance between child and parental needs- they are not mutually exclusive.
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My Mum and all my friends’ Mums have encouraged us to leave them to cry at one stage or another because they have to learn how to go to sleep. THAT is how our Mums and Grandmothers coped.
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Not in my case. Both my mother and grandmother co-slept. My grandmother is Welsh and also wore her baby wrapped in her Welsh shawl as was tradition. Controlled Crying is a recent invention.
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Mia, I may be wrong but I would think that leaving a baby to cry is the opposite to meeting his/her needs.
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Great another one to divide the mothers, another us v’s them article. Really disapointed in this
It is articles like this that guilt mothers, they are just usually misinformed (as this one is, well was and was corrected) and only serve the purpose to rage debate.
Yep totally looking forward to a CC one *NOT*
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I followed Tizzy Hall’s routines from day 1 with my baby. I never left him to cry an ‘emotional’ cry i.e. if he had a pain etc but did leave him for his ‘protest’ crys. He never cried for very long. I actually have tried a few times rocking him to sleep (more for me and wanting cuddles) and he cried and cried until I put him down and then within a few minutes was asleep. My little boy goes to bed now smiling and talks himself off to sleep. In comparison to ALL my friends my baby crys far far less than any of their kids. I see it as though there is a little more crying to begin with but in the long run they are far happy more of the time especially around bed time. I’m far happier too because I have confidence in putting my baby to sleep and I get plenty of sleep. All round, it has worked for our family and I know a lot of my friends wish they had such a ‘great sleeper’ like our son.
It’s all personal opinion but I know what I’ll be doing for our second!!
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Lamb – Kimberly was having BLOOD TRANSFUSIONS. She couldn’t see her baby for the FIRST 24 HOURS after the birth. How can you imply bottle feeding is selfish in that circumstance?
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Lamb – did you misread? The poster said she had a 9 pound 11 baby, followed by health complications and transfusions, which I gather must have been rather debilitating. Then she was bullied into feeling guilty by a person of your ilk, and still turns up to tell her tale here. On the contrary, she sounds like a rock-solid hero to me.
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I don’t think you’re sorry at all if you appear judgemental and yes you are being judgemental. Unless there is actual abuse or neglect occurring, such as not enough milk being given to the baby, it’s none of your business.
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Lamb, what is loathsome, is that people like you don’t know the personal reasons behind someone like Kimberley’s choice and yet you harshly judge her.
HOW you feed a baby is NOT the most important thing you will do for your baby. The MOST important thing for a baby is having a mother is of sound mind and body and is able to care loving for her baby.
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Kimberley I agree with Lamb below, its all about you. A little selfish dont you think?
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Like I said., none of us should judge, because we do not anyone else’s story in life. We should just support.
I find it quite annoying that women are calling others ‘selfish” based on a few paragraphs about their experience.
I think it’s just easier for some people to throw nasty comments around then for then to take the time to consider another point of view.
Someone else’s experience will never be the same as yours, and we are not all going to agree on ONE way to raise a child.
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Good on you Kimberley, it’s hard enough being alive, single and child-free, but add a baby and look out!! My child is now 2.5yrs and she was f/f from 8wks. I totally get what you mean about personal choice and the reactions from “Lactivists”.
It’s also not selfish to feed your baby, by which ever means the parent chooses and with medical problems, it’s not always best to b/f @Lamb and Anonymous, to me you both come across like bullies.
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I’m not a bully simply because I disagree with you. I am entitled to add my opinion to this discussion without accusations that I’m bullying simply because my perspective differs from yours
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Could maybe someone (ABA?) count educating the Family Court of Australia about the benefits of breastfeeding? I was treated as though it was either a perversion to want to feed my then 9 month old or that it must be a ploy to damage my baby’s relationship with the father (this when I was expressing by the litre to enable that contact). I have encountered other women with similar experiences.
Education for mothers in dealing with the hurdles of breastfeeding is great and setting expectations I think is very helpful because it isn’t always that simple, automatic experience that goes perfectly from the start. I did find there was a lot of ignorance out there but also encouragement… out and about I would inevitably have someone (most often from the over 60 age group) say something positive to me while I fed, or just stop for a chat and share experiences. I really appreciated that.
As for the Facebook thing… I guess the answer would be, if you don’t want to see breastfeeding pictures, don’t look at them, just keep on scrolling down.
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Well done to you! I can’t imagine expressing in those circumstances – I found expressing very hard in the first place. It’s sad to hear the Family Court weren’t supportive in normal parenting practice. And it’s lovely to hear you had such a positive experience with feeding in public too
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there are ABA counsellors who have particular experience with the family court and if you call ABA helpline on 1800 686268 ask for the details of a ‘resource counsellor’ on custody and part-time parenting. hope this helps you
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I’ve been in the same boat – BF & Family Court = Hell. “Mother will express milk…” and I sat there with this contraption on my boob, crying because I couldn’t get a let down. Being called “precious” because I wanted to BF a 7 month old. My local ABA were a huge support, so was my MCHN.
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I think a major problem is that there is an oversupply of information on why breastfeeding is best and an undersupply of information on how it works and how to do it – especially troubleshooting if it’s all going pear shaped. Just my opinion.
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Troubleshoot the baby. Love it.
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There is plenty of help and support on how breastfeeding works, how to do it and troubleshooting. Furthermore, you will see no “breast is best” messages on their website, this is not a phrase the ABA has ever used, they are purely and simply there to support women who choose to breastfeed.
The Australian Breastfeeding Association provides a free counselling service over the phone, which I have utilised on many occasions with really positive results.
Furthermore, I joined the ABA and a breastfeeding counsellor in my local area kindly invited me to her home and she provided me with assistance with attachment in the early days (I went there 3 times).
some local councils also provide a free breastfeeding clinic / help service.
I think the problem is that the hospitals & MCHNs don’t recommend the ABA enough.
There are also many other forms of help for breastfeeding mums, information and forums on KellyMom, LaLeche league, to name a few.
THe information is out there, you just have to seek it.
Many people use the ‘lack of assistance’ line to justify not breastfeeding.
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Why does Tara Moss’ reply make me feel like I would be doing harm to my child if I fed him expressed breast milk :s I think it is all the research that is making mums feel bad about giving their children bottles, be it expressed or formula.
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Thanks for the article! I’m not yet a mother but hope to be in the near future, I was involved in a high speed car accident that left me witg injuries to my back, neck, hip and various side affects. The disc that are bulging in my back are right where u would breast feed and my weight limit then wilk only be 10kg, at the moment it’s 5kg. My injuries are going to make it near impossible to feed and I already feel guilty about the child or hopefully children I’m yet to have! I don’t know how half naked women can have there pictures on Facebook but breast feeding is not allowed? It makes no sense. This article I’m sure has helped alot of women. Thankyou in advance, I’ll think of this when I finally can have a baby n remember not to feel guilty!
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Keep healing and you will decide your future. The reality is feeling guilt is part of parenting, so as S says ‘own it’ especially in a world of soooo much information and opinions. Most parents do what they think is best at the time. Research shows you only have to ‘get it right’ as a parent 30% of the time to raise a resilient child, so ‘breast or bottle’ you have a 70% margin of error
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I have had bulging discs in my spine – I sustained the injury 8 months before I became pregnant. I was supported through my pregnancy by a physiotherapist who had a masters in Women’s Health and I credit her with enabling me to have the physical strength to carry, give birth to and breastfeed my baby. The recovery was also quick under her guidance. I also did Pilates before, during and after the pregnancy. I feel that the physiotherapy and pilates were a fantastic investment and I highly recommend them!
Good luck with your recovery.
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Get involved with your local ABA group before you have the baby – there are many ways to position a baby that don’t involve holding them in the traditional way. There are options for you.Most babies don’t weigh 10kg until they are approaching 12 moths old.
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The other replies have already said it, but I am another with bulging discs – 3 in fact. My physio told me I should never sit for longer than 20 minutes at a time. I found pregnancy wonderful for my back – I think the hormones helped in some way. So hopefully you will be lucky like me in that regard. I still did pilates throughout pregnancy which may have helped. I also agree that you could learn lots of positions for breastfeeding so you can work out what feels the best for you. Side lying with cushions to support various places might be a great option for you. Good luck, I hope your back has healed as well as possible when you are blessed with a child.
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Hi Rachel,
I have chronic back problems too (in my case due to scoliosis) and I was very worried about how I would cope with pregnancy, breastfeeding & simply carrying my baby around.
Well, I now have a gorgeous, thriving 7.5month old daughter, & we’re doing ok!
As Emily also commented, most of the time during pregnancy my back pain was far less of a problem than I’d expected, which may well be thanks to the hormone relaxin which your body produces during pregnancy.
I get around the back pain & breastfeeding issues two ways. Option 1 is I use a breastfeeding pillow (a sort of u-shaped cushion) which you lay the baby on on your lap, so IT takes the weight, not you – works a treat! Another bonus is that in hot weather, I found it cooler for both of us than if I was holding her in my arms to feed. Option 2 (my favourite!) is to lie on the bed on my side with bub on her side facing me (baby feeds from the lower breast ie the one that’s resting on the bed). Bonus with this one is the potential for both of you to nap!
And as far as carrying bub around goes, she’s currently 9kg, & there’s no way I would have been able to carry her for long at the start! But conveniently enough, they start off a lot smaller (3.4kg in her case!) so you have a built-in weight-training regime where you lift a little more weight each week as bub grows, so your body has a chance to adapt and gets stronger! I’m actually having far less back pain now than I was in the first few weeks & months, which I never would have believed was possible.
Also, hubby makes a useful baby carrier so I get him to share the load too!
So don’t despair, there are ways to work around dodgy backs!
Best wishes & lots of “baby dust” to you
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Oh for goodness sake, yet another article on how FF mothers are being “made” to feel bad/inadequate/whatever.
No-one MAKES you feel a certain way without your permission. OWN your choices and stop blaming everyone else.
I used formula in the early days because of severely damaged nipples due to poor guidance on breastfeeding in hospital. Do I feel bad? NO. It helped us to get where we are now, still going strong at 23 months.
OWN IT.
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Well said. My sentiments exactly.
If FF mothers owned their decision we wouldn’t have all this debate. We don’t see that written in the press do we?
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Whoops – I think I have done this baby thing wrong…. Firstly I had an epidural (gasp!) as MY choice of pain relief. secondly, I was rushed for an emergency C-section (shocking!!) after my baby’s heart rate dropped dangerously low. Thirdly, after five long painful weeks of severe mastitis and thrush in both my baby and I, I switched to formula!! (Noooooo!!!)
I now have a beautiful, healthy happy 4 month old who is thriving. Damn those horrible choices I have made as a mum….
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But Mummy Dearest, don’t you want to know why you had all those bouts of thrush and mastitis so that maybe they can be avoided if there is a next time?
Hopefully you received empathetic, skilled and knowlegable support at that time. That is what we want for all mothers.
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Ahhh the memories… I know exactly why I got thrush followed by debilitating mastitis followed by more thrush…AND I received wonderful and skilled support from my family and care givers in my decision to switch to formula.
But the ultimate reason that I knew that I had done the right thing was my happy content baby gurgling at me with a full tummy.
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And that is the way it should be, that you are happy with your decision.
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When our first child was born in 2007, he just wouldn’t breast feed. Tried and tried, but he just wouldn’t. He wasn’t putting on enough weight, and all the lactation consultant could offer was “let him go hungry enough and then he’ll drink”. Paediatrician came and ordered top-up of formula, and we never looked back.
My wife spent the next 12 months expressing into a pump and then bottle feeding with breast milk, with a bedtime bottle of formula, feeling guilty as shit the whole time because of an over-opinionated and under-intelligent nurse.
Second time around, we kept the midwives and lactation consultants at arm’s length, and moved to a hotel room ASAP. And the baby breast fed with no problems at all.
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Too many cooks….
Starving, poverty stricken women in third world countries seem to have minimal difficulty breastfeeding their babies … many other concerns, but not breastfeeding!
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Really? How do you know they don’t have problems BF in third world countries?
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I have worked with refugee women and they certainly don’t have attachment or positioning issues as we do. If they do have supply issues they give water and rice/ porridge mixtures as they don’t always have access to formula
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I respectfully disagree.
I’ve worked with underpriveleged refugee women and have found they have difficulties just like any women. However that is just anecdotal.
Any information I have found on the issues have indicated that women in third world countries have difficulties too, limited milk production, nipple and breast problems, added to maternal weakness and illness. In countries where there is an option, they move to supplement feeding or wet nurses. But some countries the only other option would be death, so they continue.
I don’t think it’s fair to indicate women in first world countries are the only ones who find breastfeedig to be difficult.
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My experience with refugees is similar to yours….
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A starving woman will NOT be able to produce milk to feed her baby.
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Starving (in a descriptive state) should have said malnourished , but getting enough food to ensure their reproduction and hormonal systems sustain life. The human body is far more resilient than we realise, but I won’t open up the debate women have about their bodies in the Western world…
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Let’s chill out about breasts.
I think this title says it all really.
We all do really need to chill out and deal with this subject objectively.
This article wasn’t an attack on the ABA.
This was an article highlighting the confusing and often judgemental matter of breastfeeding.
That’s where the problem lies.
For a country that is now initiating BFHI there are a hell of a lot of gaps that need filling.
What we need is
1. more intensive breast feeding education for health professionals ( mainly midwives)
2. educated to provide consistant information
3. educated to provide troubleshooting (which, less face it, is BF all over)
4.funded so this can happen and they are widely available.
5. also educate these health professionals on formula, bottle feeding, supplementing so they remain useful when these are required.
The ABA needs to get on board with this as well. They do a tremendous job where they can, but I do believe they do themselves no favours by acting militant and one eyed. The ABA should also possibly have more funding so they are better able to assist in the community as well.
Instead of becoming all emotional and hysterical, lets just chill and work out how to make this better.
WE all know breast feeding is best.
We all should know as well, that sometimes it just doesn’t work (either for short or long term).
So lets stop hissing about it and get on with the support.
EDIT: This comment was by Rudyroo. Sorry, forgot to sign in.
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other than the money from Govt specifically to run the 24 hour, 365 day a year helpline staff by volunteers from their own homes (1800 686268), which saves the Govt millions of $$$ from having to employ midwives to do it, ABA receives no funding from Govt – local groups apply for small grants from local councils etc, but the majority of ABA work is funded by fundraising (national raffle, etc), donations, sales through their shops and online store (Mothers direct) and membership fees.
so YES PLEASE to more funding!
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How’s the view from the high horse Mia?
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I didn’t read this as being a high horse post at all. I thought it was balanced – both a defence of breast-feeding and a valid observation that some women feel too much pressure to do it.
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Every time Mia types, she is atop a high horse.
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This is something I feel really strongly about. I am lucky enough to find breast feeding easy, and I really do think that if and when possible, breast is best. I think some people are encouraged to give up too easily. I find that ‘normal’ Dr’s ( in my experience, GP’s, surgeons and oncologists) don’t know enough about breastfeeding to give good advice. When I went for surgery at one point all the Dr’s said I should ‘pump and dump’ afterwards and give bubba a bottle – when I spoke to a lactation consultant she was able to put me through to a pharmacist who was able to ascertain that the drugs would NOT travel through my milk and where safe for feeding. When my first child wasn’t putting on weight quickly enough I was advised to supplement – now at 5 she’s big and strong and never had formula.
The thing is, some people CAN’T breastfeed. For physical, emotional, mental reasons. But I really think more people would be able to continue breastfeeding for longer if GP’s and Pead’s in particular were more educated about the latest studies in BF.
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For every mother who has felt “pressured” about breastfeeding when they were struggling or simply didn’t want to bf, I would imagine there are hundreds, if not thousands, who have been supported and helped during what can be a really difficult time (myself included).
So here’s a thought, MM…how about publishing an article giving mothers constructive advice on how to handle such a situation..ways to respond or methods of seeking a different point of contact, either at hospital or once home.
Attacking or denigrating a rich resource like ABA is ridiculously counterproductive. You often talk about something/someone setting women back decades. Imagine if we didn’t have the ABA?
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Thank You Tara Moss for your balanced and informative response to Mia’s uninformed opinion.
Like Tara, I was encouraged to formula due to breastfeeding difficulties, I did not feel guilt, but without the support of ABA I struggled to return to exclusive breastfeeding, I was disappointed but recognised it was my lack of knowledge about breastfeeding, as I had not really seen it, or spoken about it.
My second and third children were exclusively breastfed. and after my second child I joined the ABA and undertook the studies they offer and attended the meetings and learnt so much that i understood what went wrong with my first baby.
To write an article like this is ignorant and does not empower women, but perpetuated decisions based on fallacy.
I am saddened that 86% of Australian women do not breastfeed. ‘top up’ a newborn with 100ml of formula??? it’s tummy is the size of a pea!
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further- there is no stigma or bullying that is just people externalising there own guilt.
6 years ago women in hospital were routinely offered, on the first night of their motherhood, if a bottle could be given to their baby so they could sleep. On the surface a caring gesture, but in reality unnecessary. The BFHI is a step in the right direction. Noone is bullied, they are just being giving information.
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“further- there is no stigma or bullying that is just people externalising there own guilt.”
I call bullshit to that.
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further- there is no stigma or bullying that is just people externalising there own guilt. Really?
So me being kicked out of a mother’s room, being told by a shop keeper that she wouldn’t help warm my babies bottle cause formula is disgusting and I should be breastfeeding, being told that I am slowly killing my baby with that poison…. I could go on…. was not bullying, just externalising my guilt?
If a shop keeper told a breastfeeding women that she would not accommodate her breastfeeding because it is ‘disgusting’ is she not being bullied and just ‘externalising her guilt?’ Of course not! It is nothing to do with how confident the mother is and everything to do with just plain bullying. Dismissing valid experiences as ‘her problem’ not the bullies problem is rude.
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those examples are most certainly bullying, and came from public, not ABA, not the health professional, as was the original topic.
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Amy, how can you say this piece does not empower women? I read it as Mia saying that women should be able to choose. Is the only way for a new mum to be empowered to breast-feed?
That’s the whole point of the article I thought. To dispel any idea that makes women feel like crap – that’s not empowering.
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empowering women means giving them real information (evidence based) which allows them to make an informed decision.
Mia’s piece is an opinion piece, which she has admitted was not researched properly and is not intended to be a ‘how to’.
ergo – it does not empower women.
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Being able to HAVE an opinion without being lambasted is what I would see as empowering…
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empowerment comes from having all the right information, and then making an informed choice, whatever that choice may be.
In my experience doctors are not experts on breastfeeding- they have 30mins of training in there 2nd year, hardly the same as 14 modules offered by ABA.
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u can’t compare tafe and Uni – no way, not even close
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I gave birth to my youngest son in a very VERY pro breast feeding public hospital just under a year ago now. The lady in the bed opposite me when asked for she was feeding her baby if she was having any trouble feeding her, her reply was “im using bottles” the midwife (much to my surprise) said “oh ok, here is the bottles, use ours whilst you are here, here is a tin of formula, do you know how to do it?”
Blew my socks right off. A sensible, not militant (but I love the word lactivist) midwife.
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Just to add my 2 cents worth.
When I had trouble breastfeeding my little bub (same stories of not putting on enough weight although still putting on weight etc) I did call the ABA hotline a few times. I didn’t get the magic bullet that solved all my problems but you know what? I did get someone to talk to who supported me and made me feel like I wasn’t alone. That to me, was a big help at the time and I appreciated it.
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I think too often the ABA do themselves an injustice because they act like breastfeeding is s cult. I have fed 2 babies (still am) and I fed them on demand until 19 months which is s good go but I can’t say I have ever been pleased with the ABA. I don’t think they market themselves well to the mainstream population. A member came to my mothers group with an 8 year old son in a long skirt with pig tails and we were corrected for ‘assuming it was a girl. She mentioned that she wood not judge us if were were artificially feeding out babies. Sounded like a judgement. One mum in our group had a tiny skinny baby and was a mess because she could not establish feeding and when she did move on to formula baby thrived. I think at times people need to relax more, especially the ABA.
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Phillipa, why not visit a group so you can you get a better idea of the wide variety of mothers who attend.
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You’re judging an organisation by one of its members? I too have raised an eyebrow at some of the people I’ve met at ABA meetings – one mother’s preschooler wasn’t playing with the other kids for being busy BF and I knew that could never be us – but I can separate them from the organisation itself. Our local group even had a member who never BF but was there as she didn’t have a mothers group. Great woman too
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Wow. Where’s the apology to the ABA? Your article was holding them responsible until it was pointed out to you that they aren’t the ones involved in the accreditation. Sort of pulls the rug out of the argument (against ABA) I would have thought.
It seems to me that the two signatures for formula might be more about preventing formula being given by mistake to babies whose parents do not want it given than to stop someone from giving *evil* formula to a hungry baby.
I find this article highly provocative..as I am sure it is intended. Why is there this need to pit parents against each other? Why denigrate an organisation that has been created solely for the purpose to *help* new mothers or mothers having difficulties in breastfeeding. Help. Support. Teach. Not force. As far as I know most of these people are volunteers. What a wonderful service they provide. They should be applauded.
Perhaps your beef should be with the *individual* midwife who caused the problem in the first place.
Mia, I am really disappointed in this article . Really disappointed.
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“only bit of breast visible during feeding is a modest glimpse of skin”
I’m not on facebook, so I don’t care one way or the other, but I’d like to point out that this sentence is directly contradicted by the picture right next to it – which shows a whole lotta skin.
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Oh it is, but I just thought it was funny to be reading that sentence next to it.
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Geez… What’s everyone getting so het up about???
When I read this article I did not get that it was inferring anything in particular about the ABA, it was more a general comment that all the great work the ABA has done in getting the message out about ‘breast is best’ has perhaps pushed things too far and that parents who for whatever reason choose to mix or formula feed are stigmatised. I have just re-read the article in the light of all the impassioned comments about ABA-bashing and I STILL can’t see it.
I think if you could all leave the emotion about the perceived slight on the ABA behind, you might all realise that this piece is actually quite valid and balanced. As many of the ABA counsellors have pointed out, they are trained to advise women and assist them with whatever feeding choices they make. This makes it even more frustrating when some women are not given this support by whichever members of the medical or mothering support areas they are in contact with. To suggest that this never happens is disingenuous. MOST women who’ve given their babies formula before they’re around 6 mths old have experienced this from some supposedly educated person who’s purportedly ‘supporting’ them. And don’t even get me started on the stigma that comes from other mums and society at large.
What Mia is calling for is a bit of balance and an end to the stigma and bullying. I completely support her in this, and as far as I’m concerned the minor error she made in the name of the hospital program makes NO difference to the outcome of the article. So get over it.
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These opinions are making me angry, a mother has a right to feed her child how ever she feels is right. Why are we judging other mums and offering opinions where they are not wanted or needed???
And yes! I breast fed and formula fed… Because I (THE MOTHER) decided what was best for my child….
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Angry Anon, And we totally support your right to. As long as you have good evidenced based and practical information available so that you can make an informed decision that you are happy with.
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Oh yes, golly – glad you reminded me Kay… that good evidence based and practical information came from an assosiation of one called “trust your own instinct as a mother”.
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hahahhaah…yes…I agree!!
I think when I have kids I will just get on with it and not tell anyone if I’m breastfeeding or not. This really doesn’t matter. We are not dripfeeding babies heroin here folks. Get a grip.
The chances are we were ALL put on formula at some stage when we were babies. That is a reality however you might want to look at it. And yes…we all turned out okay. I think this breastfeeding vs bottle nonsense has taken a life of it’s own. It’s like a cult. It doesn’t matter about the baby anymore – it’s become like a competition. We have lost sight of the real issues here.
The measure of a good mother isn’t about if you breastfeed or not or when it stops. It goes alot further than that. In fact another 20 or so years worth. Getting up in the middle of the night…being there for your kids, listening to them, waiting up for them etc..THAT is a good a parent.
I was bottlefed as a baby. When my mother had my oldest brother he was very sick and wouldn’t take to the breast. The nurses assaulted her when she refused to breastfeed – this was 1968 mind you. So…do you think she would be going through THAT again with my other brother and me??? Nooooooo. Anyway that said…you couldn’t got a better motherly mother than mine. A real mum. A worrisome mum. A nurturing mum. What a mother is supposed to be.
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I am a little confused about all the hooha about the ABA’s role in the BFHI. From the ABA’s own website it would be easy for someone to be mistaken in thinking that the accreditation comes from the ABA when they say: “Step 10 is where the Australian Breastfeeding Association comes in.”
Maybe they are not ‘behind’ the accreditation but to be accredited the ABA must be a large part of it.
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Step 10 is about health centres and hospitals referring mothers to peer support groups. That is where ABA comes in.
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My baby was born 2 months early and I expressed breast milk for him. But the neonatologists who knew what was best for him topped his breastmilk feeds with HMF (Human Milk Fortifier) Thank God they knew what was best for him. But then when he was no longer tube fed the hospital staff told me to breastfeed only
My biggest regret is that I did not continue to formula feed him. He was lactose intolerant. Breastfeeding a lactose intolerant baby is a nightmare and he just continued to lose weight on breast milk. And cry. And scream. Every feed was traumatic.
He remains an only child
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Hi Lana, It sounds like you have had a very difficult time. Unfortunately the lactose intolerance may be due to damage caused to your little one’s intestine by the foreign protein in cows milk based fortifier that your baby was given. Some hospitals are now using fortifier made from human milk. In this way our babies receive what they need without being introduced to potentially harmful foreign protein.
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Oh I wish that was the reason but he was lactose intolerant before he was given the HMF….
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Lana, They call it human milk fortifier (because it fortifies human milk) but it is actually based on cow’s milk.
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Sorry Lana I didn’t read your reply closely enough. Also looking after a sick child! Perhaps then it was proteins coming through your milk. I know how modifying your diet may have been very difficult for you at such a hard time but it may have helped. Or perhaps you have already tried that path.. All the best
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my baby has recently ben diagnosed as lactose intolerant and i have been advised (and read) that changing my diet won’t help as breastmilk itself contains 7% lactose….if he was cow milk protein (?) intolerant diet changes (i.e. cutting out dairy) would be beneficial but not for lactose intolerance…
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Hi Happy in Tas, Please read the article on lactose intolerance on the ABA website. It is often a gastro bug or sometimes a cows milk protein intolerance that that causes the secondary lactose intolerance in the first place. You are right, human milk is rich in lactose. It is an essential carbohydrate for our babies,very important for central nervous system development.
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I KNOW Lana did the best for her child that she could. How about we not pick apart her reasons and give her regrets way after the fact?
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Oh Josie, that is the very last thing I want. It is about trying to find reasons for what has happened so that mothers and babies in situations like Lana’s can be spared that misery.
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Sorry Kay, had a bad night with baby! I see what you’re trying to do, I guess I just took it a little personally (don’t know why, I find breastfeeding easy!). Have a good day.
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Totally agree re Facebook.
My thoughts on breastfeeding and giving formula in hospital are these. There seems to be a perception that if you allow women to give formula that a) they will ‘give up’ breastfeeding because they will find formula easier and b) that if a baby has a bottle the breastfeeding relationship is doomed. This attitude is, in most cases, wrong and incredibly patronising to women.
I had problems feeding both my girls. I was so determined to BF my first daughter that I refused to give her formula because I thought that a few bottles would doom my BF efforts. I had all the help in the world from midwives but we just couldn’t attach her. She lost weight and finally I gave her formula. I was so stressed that my milk didn’t come in until Day 7. In the end, I expressed milk for her for two months. I tried to attach her when she was eight weeks old, it was easy, but so convinced was I by the propaganda that a bottle-fed baby cannot be breastfed that I didn’t perservere.
The same thing happened with my second daughter. I tried to attach her eight times per day for three weeks. I could maybe attach her once every two days. I saw a lactation consultant whose advice was to ‘just keep trying’ obviously not knowing how soul-destroying it is to keep trying the same old thing and most of the time, failing dismally. After three weeks, I decided no more and stopped expressing and stopped trying to attach her and we went to formula.
Again, at seven weeks, my instinct told me to try again. I had no milk obviously as I’d stopped expressing four weeks previously but lo and behold, she attached easily. I’ve since discovered from Google that I have really large nipples which made it hard for her to attach. None of the dozens of midwives that I saw told me this and nor did the lactation consultant. Now her mouth was bigger, we found attachment a doddle.
So, we started the relactation path. I took Motilium and attached or expressed every hour for two weeks. Yes, every hour. The most I could get was 60ml so I fed her through a supply line and she went on to have a combination of breast milk and formula for four months.
My point is that despite the fact that she’d had bottles from birth to two months, she took to the nipple like a duck to water. Hence why I find the suggestion that giving a bottle to a baby is catastrophic for the breastfeeding relationship so, so appalling. It can give a stressed-out mum the strength to fight another day.
I wish your friend the best of luck. Please let her know that a few bottles are not the end of the world and that she’s a great mum xx
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I had the exact same experience.
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Great post. How lovely for your friend to have some level headed in the room with her.
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Dear Mia,
Firstly, congratulations on your ongoing role as one of the leading voices of women in Australia, and on your ability to bring important women’s issues into the public eye. I have read many of your articles published at Mamamia.com.au and in the weekend newspapers, and of course we have met and communicated numerous times over the years.
Yesterday I came across your piece titled ‘Time to get a grasp on reality and stop making colossal boobs of ourselves over breast politics’ and I felt I should contact you to address some important issues.
I am unaware of any ‘Breast Feeding Association’ that gives accreditation to hospitals, as mentioned in your article. There is a volunteer group called the Australian Breastfeeding Assoc (https://www.breastfeeding.asn.au/) that provides breastfeeding classes and a 24 hour hotline (1800 mum 2 mum) to help women with breastfeeding problems, with the phone lines manned – ‘womaned’ actually – by volunteers who have earned qualifications to help women struggling with breastfeeding related issues, milk supply, attachment problems, etc.
They generously provide a free and helpful service but do not provide accreditation to hospitals. The Baby Friendly Health Initiative, or BFHI (previously named the Baby Friendly Hospital Initiative), developed by the World Health Organisation and UNICEF in 1991 and implemented in over 150 countries worldwide, does provide accreditation for hospitals globally.
I think this may be the program you are referring to in your article, and as I am patron for BFHI in Australia I thought I should address some of the issues you raised.
The Baby Friendly Health Initiative, and their ‘10 Steps To Successful Breastfeeding’ have been very successful in raising breastfeeding rates in countries with Baby Friendly accredited hospitals.
To give one example, after only two years of BFHI implementation in China exclusive breastfeeding rates in that country doubled in rural areas and increased from 10 per cent to 47 per cent in urban areas. Currently, Australia’s exclusive breastfeeding rate at the medically recommended six month mark is 14% – less than half the world average. Governments around the world, medical professionals and organisations like WHO and UNICEF are actively trying to raise breastfeeding rates and in particular exclusive breastfeeding rates during the crucial first six months because of significant health implications for mothers and babies.
The focus on exclusive feeding is due to a wealth of evidence showing health risks associated with formula feeding and mixed feeding. Beyond the long-term outcomes like higher rates of infection, disease and obesity associated with formula feeding, unlike breast milk suckled directly from the breast, formula is not sterile.
Equally, bottles and teats are not sterile, and making these items medically sterile can be costly in hospitals, using specialised equipment, and parents can only ever have limited success in making them sterile at home. As human beings we are all imperfect, and as a result, the preparation of formula can be flawed and babies can and do get very sick.
The latest research shows that an estimated 53 per cent of diarrhoea hospitalisations could be prevented each month by exclusive breastfeeding, breastfed babies have 15 per cent fewer doctor visits in the first six months, and in developing countries where sterilisation techniques are arguably poorest, use of bottles and formula cause an estimated 1.4 million deaths in children under five. These are some of the reasons why BFHI accredited hospitals aim only to introduce bottles to babies (including expressed breast milk in bottles) when medically necessary.
Until such practices were widely banned, many hospitals gave out free packs of formula to new mothers, and had formula tins and formula advertisements displayed within maternity wards, where new mothers are most vulnerable. Unsurprisingly, this resulted in significantly lower breastfeeding rates and higher rates of formula use. (To give an example of how much sway advertising can have on a culture, formula is reportedly one of the top 3 consumer commodities and one of the top imports in the Philippines, where there is currently no ban on the advertising of formula for babies, and sales amount to nearly half a billion US dollars annually despite much of the country living in poverty.)
It is for these reasons that formula is not displayed in BFHI accredited hospitals, however it can be readily accessed for medical reasons or if the mother wishes. The introduction of bottles is not taken lightly because of the increased health risks for babies and the potential hurdles it can create for mothers who wish to breastfeed, including ‘nipple confusion’ and attachment problems in newborns, and lowered milk supply in mothers. Breastfeeding is not always easy in the early days or weeks and the last thing we need is any hospital policy that makes it yet harder to breastfeed.
For many of the same reasons, nipple substitutes, such as pacifiers, are not encouraged in BFHI accredited hospitals either. It is important to mention that although BFHI accredited hospitals have policies in place to support breastfeeding, they also have policies in place to support women who chose not to breastfeed or can’t breastfeed for medical reasons. That does not extend to actively promoting or displaying artificial nipples or breast milk substitutes.
As you wrote in your article ‘formula was never displayed anywhere – it was hidden – and neither were bottles of ANY KIND EVER’. Indeed. Why should formula be displayed in maternity wards? We see aisles of it in supermarkets.
You mentioned in your article that you have breastfed three children and you wrote your piece from the perspective of someone who has loved and hated breastfeeding. Amen. I am writing this as a mother of one who introduced my daughter to formula at only two days of age, on doctor’s recommendations, and fed her formula ‘top-ups’ for six weeks before breastfeeding exclusively. (After some hurdles at the start, we are still going strong with breastfeeding). I do not view my formula use as a personal failure or a source of guilt, and nor should anyone else.
But more importantly, I am writing this not just as a mum, an individual, but as patron of the BFHI program, and in this volunteer role it is my job to pass on evidence-based information on this topic, quite beyond my very small sample size or personal anecdotes.
It is because of decades of exhaustive research conducted around the world by scientists and health professionals that I can confidently say that the perceived injustice of an objectionable facial expression from a midwife, or the need for midwives to sign off on formula to feed a newborn, in the case of your friend’s experience, is a small inconvenience for a policy that provides significant improvement in health outcomes for babies and mums, eases the burden on our health system and in some cases even saves lives.
BFHI hospital accreditation exists only to support the health and wellbeing of women and children, to reduce infections and to save lives. Guilt-trips and ‘breast politics’ have nothing to do with it. I encourage any expecting mother to chose a BFHI accredited hospital. I know I will.
You may find these links of interest: http://www.who.int/nutrition/topics/exclusive_breastfeeding/en/ and http://www.babyfriendly.org.au/
Please feel free to contact me any time to discuss any of this.
Best wishes,
Tara Moss
UNICEF Patron for Breastfeeding for BFHI
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Well said Tara!
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Go, Tara!
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Thank you Tara. I hope your reply to Mia is published in every News Ltd newspaper in which she was published over the weekend. An article like that makes our job in the front line of breastfeeding support all the harder as we spend a lot our energy overcoming misconceptions.
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Tara, thanks for taking the time to write this. My children are older now, but I am still grateful that people are providing sound and evidence based information for parents of babies.
While Mia’s article may be witty and possibly well-meaning, I think it has promoted misinformation and is essentially a “cheap shot”.
What a wonderful ambassador for the BFHI you are!
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Hear hear! Thank goodness for the voice of reason.
Thank you, Tara.
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perfectly explained, well done.
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Thank you Tara. A very articulate and clear response. Perhaps you could consider taking up blogging, or writing balanced articles on parenting issues in the media.
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“BFHI hospital accreditation exists only to support the health and wellbeing of women and children, to reduce infections and to save lives. Guilt-trips and ‘breast politics’ have nothing to do with it”
Tara, thank you for your comments. That is very informative and articulate piece. However, I feel I have to comment on the above sentence from your article. Guilt trips and breast politics, unfortunately, have a lot to do with the way we are provided information as new mothers in this country. Highlighted somewhat by quite a few comments here. The BFHI accreditation is an excellent thing, for sure, but at the front line it is coming across as rather militant. Sadly, there are situations where formula is required, no matter how much we try to wish it wasn’t. In these cases it has become very difficult to get information about how best to do it, what best to use…etc. And any information that is past on is usually served with a side serve of judgement. Now this may or may not be related to the BFHI, but this often the reason given by the midwives when giving their judgemental advice. This is an issue that really needs to be highlighted and not swept under the carpet.
What we really need is to have services and education that meets in the middle. Support, assist, encourage BF as much as possible, but when it isn’t working then have information and advice in how to supplement/ or fully bottle feed. I can’t understand why there is not one service …ideally the midwives and lactation consultants…that can provide consistant and objective help in this matter.
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There is no acknowledgement in this debate that WHO ( in both the developed and developing world contexts) states that donor milk is the next best alternative for supplementing our babies after the mothers own milk.Some mothers are starting to make this choice.
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I keep hearing about this hierarchy of infant feeding choices from WHO with breast being #1 choice, mother’s expressed at 2, someone else’s expressed milk at 3 and ‘artificial milk’ at last choice, but I am yet to find ANY evidence that WHO sates any such thing. Could you link that statement which lists this hierarchy from WHO please?
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Sorry having trouble with the link, but you can google WHO’s “Global Strategy for Infant and Young Child Feeding” under section 18 “Exercising other feeding options”. I hope that helps.
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The quote from the PDF…
“The vast majority of mothers can and should breastfeed, just as the
vast majority of infants can and should be breastfed. Only under
exceptional circumstances can a mother’s milk be considered unsuitable
for her infant. For those few health situations where infants
cannot, or should not, be breastfed, the choice of the best
alternative – expressed breast milk from an infant’s own mother,
breast milk from a healthy wet-nurse or a human-milk bank, or a
breast-milk substitute fed with a cup, which is a safer method than
a feeding bottle and teat – depends on individual circumstances.”
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Thank you! Thank you, Tara, for such a rational & informed reply to this article. You can’t tell me that the reason only 14% of Australian mums exclusively breastfeed is because 86% of mums can’t produce enough milk, etc, etc.
Yes, many women do have issues feeding their baby, but the majority give up breastfeeding early on due to lack of education & support.
We need to get the message out there that babies thrive on breast milk & formula should only be used as a last resort for babies under six months.
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“I can confidently say that the perceived injustice of an objectionable facial expression from a midwife, or the need for midwives to sign off on formula to feed a newborn, in the case of your friend’s experience, is a small inconvenience”
I realise the above is only one line in a lengthy response Tara, but this is the root of the ‘problem’ with the breastfeeding discussion today.
I respectfully disagree with your dismissal of an ‘objectionable facial expression’ as a ‘small inconvenience’. These objectionable facial expressions start in hospital and continue on and on each and every day of a new mum’s life. It is these ‘perceived injustices’ that add to the myriad of pressures today’s new mothers already face. In short – new mums need support and gentle guidance, not disapproving glances and what often amounts to bullying.
As Mia said “breast is best, we get it, we really do”.
For those bemoaning that lack of education is the reason that only 14% of Australian women are breastfeeding for 6 months, I disagree. There are MANY MANY factors that contribute to this statistic and I believe that “lack of education” is waaaay down the list.
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Thank you for saying that
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Agreed.
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So why is it that so many women ‘choose’ not to feed their baby the option that has been proven to be the best for them?
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I had this experience when trying to breastfeed my son who would not latch on properly and would fall asleep because he was tired of trying. Not to mention the fact that my milk never got going for a combination of reasons. I tried hard for five long weeks with no sleep and a very hungry baby as I was determined to do the best thing for my son. But for the entire time, I was given these looks of disapproval from every professional trying to help me when I mentioned trying him on some formula. I was upset not only by the looks but later devastated to find out that both the community nurse and lactation consultant I was seeing during this very stressful time had NEVER had children, therefore never tried to breastfeed and had NO IDEA what I was going through emotionally. I too could have read about how to do it; I was after experience and emotional support from those who were supposed to be in the know, not opinions and heresay. When I made the decision to finally give my baby some food, via a bottle, I was not supported. Apparently it was OK for my baby to starve but not feed him formula.
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Well said Tara. I think any of us have anecdotal evidence and opinions on a wide range of experiences but the important thing is to bring in the evidence as you have done and to point out that with the overall breastfeeding rates being so low, clearly there is much work to be done in both helping women understand why breast is best and supporting them in their endeavours to successfully breastfeed.
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Thankyou Tara. The voice of reason in this debate.
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Tara
It’s not a minor inconvenience. My best friend developed PND because of how she was treated in hospital and her inability to breastfeed. And she gave it 200%. The result? Constant tears. An inability to bond with her son. And the motherload of all guilt.It was so bad that the hospital had to formally apologise to her.
It’s not minor when you’ve been on the receiving end of it. And the fact that you call it “minor” tells me you haven’t experienced it.
(I would like to say that I have midwives in my close circle of friends andI realise 99% of them are brilliant .. but it just takes one or two bad apples …).
I love your books Tara but think you missed the mark with that comment.
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I had the exact same experience as your friend.
I had some brilliant midwives but the ones that were horrible to you due to your difficulties stick with you.
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An interesting read on a topic that very effectively polarises people.
The ideas and intent behind BFHI and other groups is very worthy. As a mother who breastfed exclusively for 2 years I fund the issue I actually have is NOT the ideas behind why breast is best, but rather the manner in which some over-zealous pro-breast enforcers go about their business.
Whilst in hospital after the birth of my son, the woman in the bed next to me was confronted with her feeding choices for her new (hour old) baby. She informed the hospital staff that due to physical and medical issues, and heart felt consideration she was electing to bottle feed. What followed I can only describe as horrible. The staff bought more staff in and they basically bullied this very vulnerable woman who had already stated she had her own reasons.
I dont doubt they had the theory behind them, however, the way it was approached was unforgivable, and made me understand exactly why this debate keeps going on.
I personally believe positive encouragement and education will always win out….hopefully the rogue pro-breast league who feel bullying is an appropriate response will be weeded out….sooner rather than later.
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Thank you Tara and others, lets not forget how institutions struggle to implement human centred policy. I have never struck breast feeding nazis. The people you mention Mia are midwives not members of the Australian Breastfeeding Association. When I was breastfeeding with my first 6 years ago, only one other mother in hospital wasn’t supplementing their breastfeeding with formula. Thank heavens for the advocacy.
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I am so glad that this comment was published and appreciate that Mia alerts readers at the end of her piece that it is in the comment stream. However, I think given the considerable effort Tara went to in providing extremely valuable information to Mia (and her readers) that it really deserves to be published as a stand alone piece on the website.
It is refreshing to read a piece that is evidence rather than anecdote.
Micelle
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Hey Michelle,
We did consider it but wanted to keep the discussion all in one place instead of fragmenting it between two posts.
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Couldn’t you have added it to the end of the piece such as other updates rather than hiding it in the comments?
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Hi Mia, I understand the need to keep it all in one place, but with the amount of comments now on this article, it is quite time consuming and onerous to actually find Tara’s response. What about a link to direct you there, or just posting it at the bottom of your article as someone else suggested? To me it looks like you are deliberately making it hard for readers to find.
Let’s see what happens.
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Now here is a person who knows how to craft a well researched opinion. Thankyou Tara.
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I really liked this article Mia, thankyou!
I had a terrible time with breastfeeding with both my babies. I went to breastfeeding ‘school’, I had lactation consultants come to our home, I did EVERYTHING I could and it just never worked.
I was most definitely bullied by the lactation consultants and the midwives in the hospital. It was a horrid time. I read articles on the ABA website that formula would make babies die (they were in fact referring to countries with unsanitary water, but that was only pointed out in a foot note).
My first baby had expressed breast milk only for 3 months. After that, I couldn’t do it anymore. When my second baby was born and I was experiencing the same troubles, my obstetrician suggested that it would be hugely difficult to do what I did last time, with a toddler at home as well. She advised me not to do it. She had my best psychological interests at heart.
When I asked for bottles in the hospital that second time around, I was really bullied by the midwives and some refused to even get it for me. Saying I couldn’t possibly ‘artificially feed’ my babe. I was in tears of distress. Finally, my doctor and one great midwife told them all to butt out.
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One of my cousins was the same, Cordy. She tried and it just didn’t happen. She decided to try again with her second, and hired a pump and expressed for six weeks, but put him on formula after that, happy as larry. She has some kind of funny thing happening with her nipples and that made it hard. She tried, it didn’t work, no harm, no foul. I had a little trouble, but it worked out for me and it’s been relatively easy for us. No harm No foul either!
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I’m all about breastfeeding. I fed both mine (still feeding number two, kind of wish she’d cut back a bit, actually, five feeds a day at fifteen months is Too Damn Much in my opinion. I’d be happy with three, max…)
But I am INCENSED at the reactions my friend was given when she couldn’t feed. Her firstborn had just been diagnosed with cerebral palsy, and her husband deployed the day after they moved into a new house, in a new state, with a three week old baby. The stress level on her was incredible. Her milk dried up. She did everything right, tried all the normal and whacko solutions, nothing worked. She was a frazzled mess. But then, whenever she would have to feed the baby in public she would get The Looks. Even my father in law took her to task (he’s a bit of a blockhead). It was such a rough time for her, made so much worse by the attitude of the brainwashed public.
So, yeah. Breast is best, but formula is better than starvation.
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I know I’m probably going to get shot for this, but…
I don’t see why we have to have breastfeeding photos on Facebook. Its a social networking site. Yes, it’s natural (and I don’t have a problem with anyone doing it in public, and I think it is a beautiful thing) but so is going to the toilet, throwing up, sucking face and having sex (which can also be a beautiful thing) and I don’t feel the need to see any of that on Facebook either.
(For the record, my husband just read this and vehemently disagrees with me!)
It’s hard to implement a rule that everyone claims to have their own little slice of discrimination about. It’s either a blanket nudity ban or it’s not. If it’s about education and sharing those experiences, surely it is more appropriate to share these with other people on baby/breastfeeding/motherhood sites? I certainly don’t believe the intent is to ban these images from the internet all together, but it’s merely the forum – Facebook is not the whole internet (believe it or not!)
And on breastfeeding, I had TERRIBLE colic as a baby. Screamed for 12 hours a day, slept for 12 hours from exhaustion. I have lactose intolerance as an adult. If any child of mine suffers the same fate, I wouldn’t hesitate to try formula if there was a good chance it would relieve the pain. Does the ABA have a solution to that I wonder?
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I’m not even going to entertain your comparison of breastfeeding and going to the toilet.
However my son, now 17 months old has cows milk protein allergy and soy allergy amongst other things. He had “colic” as a baby too; a reaction to any dairy, soy or eggs in my diet. Had I changed to formula due to the colic, it would have only made things worse. There is a great article on the ABA website that discusses the difference between lactose intolerance in adults and lactose allergy in babies (very very rare). It was written by a wonderful dietitian, lactation consultant and ABA volunteer counsellor. I hope you take the time to read it.
https://www.breastfeeding.asn.au/bfinfo/lactose.html
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Agree with the facebook thing.
To breastfeed your baby, you do not need to take a photo and plaster it on facebook. It’s not a necessary part of the act. Breastfeeding mothers have rights, but facebook has rights too – to make their own rules for their own site.
If it’s so vital for some women to post pictures of themselves breastfeeding, they can make their own site! In the scheme of things, in the history of the world, there are SO many other things to be getting passionate and protesting about. All I can see when there are women getting angry about this, is what a bunch of privileged attention-seekers. Feed your babies, use facebook or if you don’t agree with their policies, don’t use it, but get over yourselves.
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Hi Mia,
Firstly, I am so disappointed with this article. So much in fact that I burst into tears while reading it. I have been a fan of your wesbite for a number of years, I own all your books, have been to talks of yours and book signings. I am all for having different points of views, and how emotional people can get with the different views, but in this situation the blatant misinformation is what has upset me so much.
I am a Breastfeeding Counsellor with the Australian Breastfeeding Association. I am a volunteer and do all the work with the support of my husband and my 2 children. Our role as Breastfeeding Counsellors is to provide Mum to Mum support for people who have questions, problems or concerns about Breastfeeding. It is about providing empathy and reassurance, and to be Counsellors – ie to let people talk while we listen. We are not about judgement, accusation, and not “lactavists”. We are intensively trained – it took me 18 months over 14 modules to become a Counsellor.
I became a Counsellor because I had problems feeding my first child, and when I went to an ABA meeting, I received so much support and useful information that I managed to get through my problems and go on to successfully feed my first child until she was 25 months, 7 months into my second pregnancy. I am now still feeding my second child who is nearly 11 months.
I had such a rewarding experience with the people at the ABA, that I wanted to be a part of the organisation and supports other Mum’s. I learned so much in my training, that I now know more about Breastfeeding than about some of the areas of my professional life. It is an amazing, supportive process.
Ok, enough about that.
The reason I cried when I read your article is I felt that you have attacked the ABA – the supportive, informative organisation that I have given so much to be a part of, when that attack was completely unfounded, and incorrect. The ABA does not provide the Breastfeeding Friendly Hospital Initiative accreditation. It does however support the normalisation of breast feeding, and encourages Mum’s where possible – and where it is the right thing for the Mum and Baby, to breastfeed. It is about feeding your baby first – in however means possible to ensure that that baby thrives. It gives tools to help Mum’s overcome breasttfeeding problems, or to support the decision not to breast feed, if that is what is right for Mum.
I would really appreciate a correction to your article, and an apology to the volunteers of the Australian Breastfeeding Association that have been attacked in this article. It would be great if you could provide some accurate information about the ABA, including the wide range of services and information they provide, starting with the 24 hour Helpline (staffed by volunteers) 1800 686 268 and the website http://www.breastfeeding.asn.au
Thanks
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Well said – I agree 100%!!!
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I agree 100% – well said!
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Oh Bailesoo,
Don’t cry! You know, I’ve asked Tara Moss – patron of the Breastfeeding Friendly Health Initiative to write a lengthy response which we have published above this.
I certainly never meant to attack the ABA – not at all. I merely was pointing out that in some cases, mothers can feel guilted or coerced into breastfeeding by SOME (not necessarily in the ABA) health professionals who are zealously anti-formula.
Please don’t cry!!!!!
xxxx
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If you didn’t mean to attack the ABA, who were you referring to with the term “Breast Feeding Association”? I also found it very offensive.
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My experience with an ABA Counsellor: I was going to be back at work within a few weeks of my baby’s birth (small business, sole operator). Asked for some advice re baby taking expressed milk via bottle from 2-3 weeks or so. Her answer? “Well, good luck with that. I take my hat off to you.” The End.
Instead of some constructive advice, I was left to figure it out alone (which led to my poor 2 week old daughter valiantly trying to drink from a bottle intended for a 6month old!!) We all survived and as far as I can see has suffered no ill-affects!
So, perhaps some balance would be helpful. We don’t live in an all or nothing world, and everybody has to be a little flexible along the line.
Making new Mum’s feel guilty really isn’t helpful.
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Thankyou for taking the time to comment Bailesoo. I appreciate all the hard work you and your colleagues on the helpline, email help and forum have given me over the last 17 months. I couldn’t have done it without you all
And I can say that the antiformula sentiment isn’t as strong or “bullying” as suggested; one of your colleagues was so supportive of me and my near decision to turn to formula, she reassured me that I would make the right choice for my family. The relief when I heard that! That I wasn’t going to be criticized for considering formula. In the end I felt so empowered that I decided to try just one more feed. Then another. Then another ABA counsellor helped me get through one more day, then another etc. Thankyou, thankyou, thankyou!
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My son was so chubby that I continually got snide remarks like “what are you feeding that child? Formula?”. I wasn’t in fact. He was solely breastfed, but regardless, whatever decision I chose, for whatever reason, should have been my decision alone, and not some rude stranger on the street.
Breastfeeding may be best, but it was bloody hard work, and with both of my kids I suffered terribly for the first few months (you don’t need details, you get it). I persevered (even though my mother begged me to give up), for 14 months with the first, and 16 months with the second.
Good on me, shame on those who criticize the decisions a mother makes, particularly without knowing her circumstances!!!
And for the record, when I needed it, I thought Karicare was a great alternate source of nourishment for my kids.
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I am one of those angry women. I thought I was doing an ok job of breastfeeding for the 1st 2 days of my daughters life, then due to a rush of women about to give birth I was sent home 2 days earlier than i would have liked. Breastfeeding all fell apart when I got home and I resorted to formula due to the fact that my baby was starving. I will always believe that had I stayed in hospital for the recommended 4 days I would have had the 24hr help of the midwives and got my breastfeeding working. But my daughter thrived on formula and was happy so I can’t complain really.
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Am I the only one who thinks it is odd that people are posting pictures of themselves breastfeeding on Facebook?
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My question is why people really feel the need to upload pics of themselves breastfeeding on to Facebook. Personally, I found breastfeeding quite an intimate experience and whilst I’m sure my family and friends were happy to see pics of my kids when they were babies, I don’t believe that they would have been interested or, in many instances, comfortable seeing pics of me breastfeeding my child. Then again, I’m kind of a ‘less is more’ on Facebook and I know that many other people like to share everything on social media. Sure, I don’t agree that Facebook should censor the pics but really is it that big a deal?
Oh, and the breast v formula argument will go on forever more. It seems to be periodically rehashed on this website and you get an equal amount of ‘no excuses, breastfeeding all the way’ and ‘I couldn’t feed, so don’t diss me for using formula’ responses. In an ideal world, it would be great if women could just let each other make their own decisions without judgment but you won’t ever change the minds of the hardliners, so why keep revisiting the topic?
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Why not upload pics of breastfeeding? It is a natural, beautiful thing. Having come from a family of mostly formula feeders I rarely saw a mother breastfeed her baby. I post pictures of my children breastfeeding because it is beautiful, it isn’t something to be ashamed of and hidden away and many of my young cousin who aren’t parents yet can see that.
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My sincere apologies for the incorrect reference to the Breastfeeding Friendly Workplace initiative. My fault. I have now ammended the post to feature the correct information and link as MM readers have pointed out.
It is in fact the Breastfeeding Friendly Health Initiative (BFHI) that is accredited by the Australian College of Midwives.
The Australian Breastfeeding Association is not directly involved in this.
Thanks to everyone who pointed this out and apologies for the error.
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I find it so disappointing Mia that you would publish such as article, then check your facts later. As a volunteer with ABA, you are steroptyping all volunteers as “lactivists”, a word which can be highly offensive. SO MANY people don’t realise that the BF counsellors that visit hospitals and man the 24 Hour Helpline have all completed extensive training through a recognised training organisation, at their own TIME and EXPENSE, for what??? So they can *SHOCK* work UNPAID and VOLUNTARILY for something they are passionate about. Maybe these facts should have been added into your article. I have met a lot of ABA women and I can honestly say none of them act how you are referring, at the end of the day it is about supporting women and their choices. And you said the ABA hate formula?? Well, the ABA actually have some great information on their site, titled “When breastfeeding does not work out” and a guide of feeding babies Artificial Baby Milk.
PS – I have had my own share of BF difficulties, my latest visit to a GP involved her doing a Google search on my problem and citing treatment methods from WIKIPEDIA. WTF??? For $70!! The ABA was free, and much more up to date with information and help!! They need more credit than this article paints of them…. very disappointed reader, Mia.
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Hey Kacey Noy,
Thanks for your comment – you’re right that I should have checked my facts – I did actually check them with a doctor but it was incorrect. My bad.
I have to say that while I think volunteering is a wonderful thing, I did have an odd experience calling the helpline to ask about mastitis only to be asked if my baby had a cold. When I said that yes, actually she did, I was told that my breast had ‘caught’ the virus from her and that’s what had caused my mastitis.
Now of course this is only one person and one experience on one occasion. But while it would be unfair to generalise, there will always be extremists on either side of any debate and so many new mothers do speak about being made to feel terrible about their choices or indeed their inability to breastfeed.
I was in the hospital with my friend a couple of weeks ago. I saw it firsthand and I comforted her when she was in tears. And this was her third baby! She was a confident mother!
But one of the midwives made her feel dreadful about following the orders of her doctor – again, nothing to do with the ABA and I apologise if that inference was made.
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That’s great Mia but what about all the News Ltd newspapers in which your column appeared?
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How about removing the reference to the Breastfeeding Friendly Workplace program instead of just crossing them out so the program continues to be associated with this piece? The number of comments shows that many people are reading the article and which reflects badly on BFW while it continues to appear in the text.
The Breastfeeding Friendly Workplace program helps organisations to create a workplace that is supportive of women who wish to continue breastfeeding when they return to work.
A disapointing and ignorant article all round! How about helping your friend to access the support she needs instead of wasting time stirring up controversy. Or an article on the lack of current, uniform breastfeeding education in our health system? Use your power for good not evil Mia!
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Hi Amanda,
The crossing out is standard transparent Internet practice when something is corrected to show the author has edited the original text.
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Hello there ‘A’, your righteous ranting makes me so mad and upset… That aside, I had my first baby at 31 weeks and she was in special care for 8 weeks, I can’t recall the midwives needing two signatures for formula, I do remember two nurses checking and confirming together any medication given. The midwives I sat with during that time were so lovely and supportive (thank god I didn’t have to share it with ‘A’).
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