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Em asks: Is it better to be fair during kids sports or to be the winner?

 

 

 

 

 

by EM RUSCIANO

The further I get into this parenting caper, the more I realise that there are serious cracks in the system.

I acknowledge that I have a some what unconventional style of Mothering and I certainly do not proclaim to have all if any of the answers but I do believe that I have uncovered a blind spot, a break in the matrix, a weakness in the force that needs addressing.

It’s the whole telling kids that “winning and performance doesn’t matter” situation.

Here is a predicament I found myself in recently. I want you all to read it and put yourself in my place honestly and truly. If you want to method act: I was wearing jeans, converse and a leopard print hoodie. I was feeling a little weary and had a slight headache from lack of caffeine and sleep. Are you all there? GREAT!

Totally superfluous side note alert: My kid is a state level track and field athlete, we have the t-shirts and medals to prove it. Over the weekend she competed in the Eastern Metropolitan regional relays. This is the pre-cursor to the Victorian state relays. It’s not a come and try day, it’s not even a regular low-key comp day. It’s a legit ‘let’s get this sh*t done while in matching hair ribbons and uniforms’ day.

It matters.

A mother of one of my daughter Chella’s team mates organised the team. And she was a bloody marvel. She made excel spread sheets, sent emails, paid registration fees and did all the things I’ve heard mothers are supposed to do but have never been able to accomplish myself.

I arrived to be told that we had five girls and as each relay consisted of four, there was a complicated rotation system being put in place. This was to ensure that the whole thing was FAIR and that everyone had FUN. (This was a fact of which I would have been aware had I have bothered to read the series of aforementioned organisational emails.)

What the what? I had given up a whole Sunday to sit in the rain, after two dancing concerts, Friday night maths comp and a full week at work, to just have FUN?! ARSE TO THAT! I thought – let’s try and win this shit!

Obviously this is inner sanctum stuff, it’s just between us guys – I would have never said that out loud in the public arena.

I have come to learn that sometimes my thoughts and reactions to certain situations may be looked upon as strange. So I am forced to live a double life. You see, on the inside I am a hard line, psycho stage Mum, internally fist pumping every time my brilliant daughter wins a race. On the outside I think I read as a supportive, slightly nutty, enthusiastic Mum with an eye twitch.

Yes, it is exhausting being me.

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As I allowed the first race to go down, it became apparent that some of the girls weren’t as fast as the others. It also became apparent that if we were to have any hope of making state finals (which was the aim of the day) we needed to run our strongest team at all times regardless of fairness.

The girls also figured this out for themselves.

The girls knew what they wanted (to make it to the next round) and were involved in some pretty complicated discussions about how they could get there. In the end they decided between themselves that the four fastest girls should run and the fifth (who wasn’t as fast) would sit out even though it wasn’t her turn to.

This is the marvelous thing about children, if parents stay out of stuff, they will often come up with the solution on their own. I have come to realise it’s more often than not parents who stuff up organised sport, in a myriad of ways.

But the wonderful organising mother (who is also a teacher) would have NONE of it. She was fixated on everyone getting a fair shot. She ended up sitting her own kid out (who incidentally is the fastest at the club). Subsequently, we lost the heat and didn’t even make it through to the final on the day.

The girls were shattered. No one was having fun, but we’d been fair!

Which was the source of my confusion and the conception of this post.

Our intention was to progress BUT we also wanted to be fair and not focus too much on the results?

FACT: In most organised junior sports, if you don’t perform- you don’t progress.

Shenanigans I say! Mixed messages anyone?

“Hey Chella, just have fun and give it your best but society will slowly condition you to believe that deep down all that really matters is winning and achieving because those who rise to the top are the ones considered successful and celebrated.  But totes have fun out there!”

If we as parents were absolutely fair dinkum about the whole “participation is more important than results” situation then why have grand finals, state championships, or even keep records?

The catch is, we all know that out in the big bad world those who strive to achieve results and be the best are the ones who get ahead. The ones who are just in it for fun sometimes end up owning a lot of “smoking paraphernalia”.

How can we prepare our children for reality when up until the age of ten then are being told they are god’s gift to everything?

I am truly asking your advice here. I am quite sure I cannot maintain my double life and I am going to have to eventually fall either side of the hard line.

Do you have the answer?

Well, do you?!

Me is confused.

There was not a chapter on this in “What to expect when you’re expecting:” Do we encourage results based competing or fun? Is there a way to combine them both? My new theory is that we just take the parents out of it and throw the kids in “Lord of the flies” style. I reckon they would take care of business just fine without us.

I’m happy just to watch from behind the barbed wire..

Silently, fist pumping.

Em. x

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  1. Bec

    A few years ago when our oldest son was 15, he was playing in u16 soccer roster, the top division. His club only had 1 team in that age group so there were a few boys who wouldnt usually make it into a div 1 side. They would get maybe 15 minutes each game. We lost several games that year, when leading by several goals, changes were made, the weaker players put on. It was frustrating for the other boys, who had worked so hard to get that lead. It was annoying for us parents, why were these kids in our team??? They obviously werent good enough!
    Then i had a moment. Imagine how those boys felt. They knew they were the weaker players. They knew they lost the games for their team. They trained just as hard as the rest of the team. Turned up every week for 15 minutes on the field. They didnt complain. And yes their parents, who also turned up every week, paid $190 just like the rest of us.
    What should have happened to these boys??? Should the club have said “Sorry your no good and we dont want you??” There was no other division for them to play in. How would i feel if that was my son, who loved the game, but just didnt quite have the skill??

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    • Cvmh

      I was hopeless at sport at school. I loved playing it though, at the beginning at least. It didn’t take too long before any competitive physical activity became torture. Even now I still remember the shame I felt as I sat ignored on the bench for yet another netball game. The moment of excitement I felt when they actually ran out of subs and were forced to put me on. Only for a moment though, until the couch said with annoyed look that she supposed they would have to put me on and the rest of the girls laughed at me. At PE time I would feel ill when the kids started choosing teams, knowing I would be last chosen, and knowing I would be left standing there while the captains each tried to get out of having me on their team.

      By the time I had reached senior primary I had learned all of the tricks to avoid sports and still do.

      Sure there is a place for elite level sports but we still need to be fair to any kid who may wish to participate.

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  2. FHB

    It drives me nuts at my Daughter’s netball when they hand the trophy out each week to the “player” of the day, which is nothing more than a randomized attempt to let everyone get a go.

    Rewards are what you get for talent or effort, sometimes luck, but to purposefully interfere with that is kinda perverse.

    To see a girl who never trains, misses practice and refuses to put in the effort for her team mates win a trophy whilst the girls that train hard and give 100% see that, it all goes against logic.

    Thankfully next year my Daughter’s team starts to count the score, so they can have a better understanding of the way the real world works.

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  3. Runner

    I use to be a part of a track relay team. All the way through primary to high school. We never had five in a team. We even made it to state level in high school. We knew who the fastest was she was last, 2nd fastest me first runner to get a good start and the other 2 in the middle legs. All we wanted was to WIN not be fair!

    We are conditioning our children to think you don’t need to win or be the best. Everyone will get a gold star but that’s not life! If it was everyone including me would get a pay rise when Jo Blow does cause that’s fair!

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  4. my thoughts

    As a non sporty person I still remember the humiliation of having to run races on school sports days & coming a good half lap behind everyone else. These feelings were made much worse when I was the one who made our team lose! Being ‘fair’ to all the kids is not always the best way to play.

    I am hoping my kids have a different experience & better memories of their school sports day. So far 2 of them show sporting promise and I want them to enjoy their deserved wins and while I believe that non sporty kids should participate in normal sports classes I don’t think they should be forced to join a public event.

    At my school the sports days weren’t balanced out by art days so I never got to publically show my strengths and talents only my weaknesses were put on display.

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  5. steggz

    The answer to your question is both. By the time you’re getting into regional carnivals, it is about your best team possible. But if you’re in the local 12C cricket competition, everyone does deserve a go. Ultimately, there’s a time and a place for both.

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  6. Miss T

    I’m with you that if we leave kids to it they’ll often figure out the best solution on their own. Those kids knew who was the fastest, and they wanted to win, they should have been left to win.

    On the flip side, if a kid is struggling it’s often other kids who are the best at supporting them. At my high school we had a guy who was obviously not the best swimmer, but he swam every single race and he came last every single time and the entire school got up on their feet and they cheered him home every single time.

    Being the best should be rewarded. So should trying. And I think rewarding everyone to be “fair” does neither of those things. Why even try if everyone gets the medal no matter what?

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  7. Suzie

    Being fair to everyone, is misused here! It is about sportsmanship. competing honestly fairly and truthfully. Not about lying and pretending that someone is good when they are not. Sure support them to have a go and to do their best and reward that, but not by lying to them that they have equal capability when they don’t. Of course sport is about competing, it is also learning how to do it well and honestly. These kids had already worked out what was fair, why undo their problem solving? I have had to sit through interminably bad end of year performances because teachers use the same misguided sentimental, yet unfeeling, mentality to praise anything a child does. While the talented are stifled so as not to upset anyone, how about upsetting them? I think this makes children dependent on being rescued, not resilient or fair.

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  8. becsparrow

    I don’t understand why five girls were sent along?

    Couldn’t this have been nipped in the bud by only the four fastest girls making the team to compete?

    On this specific issue, I’m with you Em.

    It’s a competition. Fastest team is put forward.

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    • Kylie L

      It sounds like they were running a few heats during the day? They probably took 4 in case one got injured or sick over the day, and then the whole team is out… but yes, the “emergency” could have been designated as such BEFORE the big day, and then everyone knows where they stand.

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    • steggz

      Always take a spare in case of injury/illness.

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      • Wendy

        Yes, one of our relay teams had to quit at the last moment one year because there was no reserve and one of the girl’s injured herself.

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    • Sash

      I was awful at sport, but I loved netball. I never made the a team, always the cs or bs. Occasionally I was taken along as an extra because players were sick, but I knew I wasn’t first choice. It was tough, but I preferred knowing where I stood and the clear cut rules of when i was allowed to compete.

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  9. Jay

    Try imagining being the parent of the slower kid Em. It’s not so simple then. There are kids who hardly get a go in their teams all season because they are not as good as other players and the coach/manager has decided to go with your preferred approach.

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    • FHB

      Jay.

      My son was not talented at football, in fact he had very little talent. I took him to the park everyday and we practiced for an hour. At the end of the season he got and deserved the most improved player award. If he does this again this year his skills and fitness will surpass the other children and he will be an example of hard work and parental responsibility.

      If he doesn’t train he will stagnate and be a bench player.

      Like the real world.

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      • Jay

        That’s great that your son had the capacity to improve and a parent willing to support him so beautifully. But sometimes it does not work out so favourably. What if you had done all that and your child still was the worst player, would you be OK about him not getting time on the field? Being benched all or most the time as the less able player sends the message loud and clear to all concerned that “We are here to win”, no matter how meagre the prize. It’s possible to take another approach, that values teamwork, participation and fun on the day.

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        • FHB

          It is an interesting scenario you hypothetically point out, but I can say with all honesty that never have I seen in my 35 years a person commit to self betterment with time and effort and not reap benefits. Most of the time dramatically.

          I would be fine with the worst player being benched and so be it if it was mine…oh wait it was my son for half a season.

          The truth is they played better when he was benched and they deserved to win when they played hard.

          For my son to deserve his spot he needed to improve and it was only fair that he should.

          Sport is no fun when you drop the ball each week and lose the game for your team. That is not going to be confidence building for children.

          I play canasta with my Gran and I always let her win. She is old and has cancer and I love to see her happy. But it is boring as heck playing for 2 hours without stakes.

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    • Robyn

      I have experienced this, I was 16 and in a netball team. I was the worst player on the team of 8, not a bad player just the worst of those 8. We made it to a semi final, I had turned up all season and I was geared up to play. A girl that did not come all season was available for the semi so she was put on first. At the end of each quarter, the centre ran off the court to our coach and said, keep the team the same (i.e. don’t put Robyn on, lets put our best foot forward). We lost the match which upset me, but I went home and had a cry because I was excluded and felt redundant sitting on the sideline.
      However, in Em’s case, the girls had decided for themselves and hopefully no coercion was involved so the slower runner had opted out, then I feel the Mother should have not have interfered. At this level it is about trying to win, not fairness for all.

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  10. Minimagic

    I read somewhere post-London Olympics that our ‘disappointing ‘ performance in the pool could be in part attributed to the lack of ‘competitive’ sport in our schools. How many times did we hear an Aussie Olympian say”I’m here to make the most of my time, soak up the atmosphere, and do my best” Really? Are you not there to WIN anymore?
    Good on you Em. I don’t always agree with what you write, however well you write it, but on this occassion, I’m with you 100%. Now excuse me as I go and bathe in the glory of my primary school athletics ribbons… All one of them… A white one, for participation ;)

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    • kym

      I agree that the olympians need to go to the olympics to WIN but a little difference here is that they are adults.
      I thought the system normally was, little kiddies – participation ( yay)
      Middle to bid kiddies – challanges added (yay)
      Pre teenagers – team work and working to win (yay)
      teenagers to Adults – Play to win only, fun is a bonus.

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  11. Rachael

    Totally agree Em. My job as a parent is to develop resilience in my kids. I can’t be there to protect them every day of their lives, but I can give them the skills to cope with the ups and downs of life.
    I really dislike the whole “you can be whatever you want to be” approach. I could take singing lessons for 6 hours every single day for the rest of my life but I will never, ever sound like Adele. I just can’t. Its totally unrealistic and its just a fast track ride to disappoinment if I set that goal.
    Instead I find things I love doing, that I’m pretty good at and I go for it..and I encourage that in my kids.

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  12. chillax

    Relay is a team sport. There is no i in team. The team should put forward the best team on the day. If the slowest kid isnt aware of that she should be made aware of it.
    I cant cope with the parents who demand a participation ribbon for everyone! Their little darlings are usually the ones who cry when the dont win too.

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    • DizzyLiz

      Chilax, I understand your point, but I would ask you to read my reply below on why I think participation ribbons are important.

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      • Anonymous

        Participation ribbons can be encouraging on some level. But this article is about Em’s child who was racing in Regionals to get into State relays… so by this stage, I think yes, only the best should be there competing. Only the ones who wanted to would be there anyway.

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        • DizzyLiz

          I understand that Anonymous, but Chillax and a number of other posters have widened the discussion to include the concept of participation ribbons (eg”I can’t cope with parents who demand participation ribbons) so I wanted to respond with our experiences.

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      • chillax

        Hi DizzyLiz,
        I too have a child with low muscle who finds sport extremely difficult. Admittedly she doesnt have autism, however she knows her limitations and enters each race willingly and comes last with a laugh. She doesnt need a ribbon, now would I ask for her to have one, because she understands that she excels in other areas and this for her is just about having a go and some fun with her peers. She doesnt need to be rewarded or recognised for doing her best.
        I’m glad your son enjoyed his ribbon. :)

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  13. lucinda

    Em, I think you are the type of mother I want to be!

    You ask if we have the answer, but I think you already do. If we don’t reward our kids for succeeding, how are we encouraging them to try and succeed?

    I’m involved in basketball, and we have similar issues. I think that all kids should be given equal chances in training, in games/competions that you are expected to win or lose no matter what you do. But when in comes to the important games/races, like finals, the best team gets to play (with one clarification – the best players that have put in the effort. I will not play a player who has missed half the trainings, even if they are Michael Jordan, if there is someone else there that has put in 110 %).

    The sad thing is that the kids are usually fine with this – it is the parents who complain. They are upset that their angel is sittting out, or that they have paid $X for their kid to play and they are sitting on the bench. One of the many, many great things that team sports teach you is that the team wins or loses regardless of the individuals. I would rather sit on the bench (provided I am one of the bottom players) and have the team win, than play the entire game only for us to lose.

    I think some of these parents need to realise that when they sign their kids up for sport, they are signing up to learn and experience all that sport has to offer, not just the pure physical skills.

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  14. DizzyLiz

    I know where you are coming from, Em, and I agree… and sort of disagree.
    I agree kids should be taught about winning and losing graciously and all that. I agree that if your kids are sporty they most certainly should be encouraged to shine and shine their brightest.

    But here’s the thing…

    I have a six year old with mild autism. He is highly gifted academically but rather ordinary at anything sport related. He has low muscle tone, tires easily and can’t keep up with the other kids. At school sports day last term, he didn’t just come last; he came last by half a field. He came last by half a field in front of his friends, his parents, his teachers.. the entire school community. He KNEW he came last and was well aware that meant he was the worst runner in his year despite us trying to put a positive spin on it. Yes, it’s a lesson in winning and losing and yes we talked endlessly about how everyone is good at different things…

    But here’s where I have an issue. There are very few circumstances in life where as an adult; we get to show our deficiencies to literally hundreds of people.. not many adults would like to do something they struggle with in front of an audience of hundreds of our peers.

    My son is advanced in the classroom, is at the top of the class and gets maths and reading extension… but no-one sees that (and I am fine with that!) His achievements are not recognised publically, but his struggles happen in front of a large crowd. That’s got to be hard.

    So he absolutely deserved his ‘well done’ ribbon and I can assure you it MEANS something to him. To those who say that the ‘everyone gets a ribbon’ mentality devalues the achievements of the other kids…. well, I give you a bit fat raspberry ;-) My son DESERVED his well-done ribbon just as much as the kid who came first deserved his blue ribbon. Well done ‘H’ for giving something a go even though you find it so, so difficult… well done for trying.. and most especially well done for smiling bravely and congratulating the kid who came first.

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    • lucinda

      I totally agree, he did do an amazing job, and every kid does deserve support and recognition just for trying. But I am assuming that the kids that one the race got a first place ribbon, not just a “well done” ribbon?

      It depends on the school, but most do have recognition for academic achievement. Maybe not so much in primary school (other than kids comparing their marks on spelling tests), but in high school they have subject awards, colours, dux etc. I hope that your son does get recognition of his achievements in a public way. Although I do understand your point that kids who are bad at school aren’t acknowleged publicly for poor marks, while kids who are poor at sport have trouble hiding it.

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      • DizzyLiz

        Hi Lucinda, There are no academic achievments awards at our school :(
        And yes the boy who came first got a blue ribbon (deservedly!)

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        • Cordeline

          That’s such a shame. I remember kids getting little certificates or whatever at school for great marks on a spelling or maths test. I thought most schools would still do this.

          But in the same way, I guess maybe schools don’t single out achievements in the classroom because it might make the other kids feel like they are no good. Crazy isn’t it?!

          You must have been very proud when your son congratulated the winner of race… that is a very proud-parent thing to witness I think :-)

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          • DizzyLiz

            Very proud Cordeline :-)

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          • Belle

            Not that I am disagreeing with you, but I would like to say that kids that struggle academically feel every bit as humiliated in the classroom every day as non-sporty kids do that 2 or 3 times a year, even if their failure is not witnessed by parents on the side lines. Academic awards will come in later years but even though it may not be at assembly, academic achievers get acknowledgement all year round, ask any kid who the smart kids in their class are trust me they will be able to tell you.

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        • lucinda

          That is a shame! Particularly because most kids (granted, not all, but most) can do better in at least one subject if they study. Also, I think it is good to give kids something to strive for – that is actually how I got started in sport. In year 5 I just missed out on age champion at the athletics carnival, and I was determined to get it the next year. My Dad helped me train leading up to the carnival, and I ended up making the state team. I wonder if I would have had the same drive if there was no prize …

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    • Miss T

      At my school, only one person got that “Well done” ribbon (it was actually a trophy) and so it was valuable. It wasn’t for anyone, not for people who didn’t try, but it was for people like your son.

      But we also had a lot of academic achievement awards as well.

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    • Lucinda

      Of course your sons achievements are not recognised publically… he’s 6!!! I agree with your sentiments about participation ribbons, but a little bit of perspective is needed. Children do not need to have every little achievement recognised in the early years. Breathe. If your kid as clever as you say he’ll be sitting the ICASS maths and writing tests in a couple of years and blitzing them – which will bring recognition!

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  15. WTE

    I have mixed feelings about the whole sport thing. I am definitely in the winning (but not performance) isn’t everything camp, but I do think it’s been taken too far.

    Our zone athletics carnival is in a few weeks and my kids should do OK in field events but it’s highly unlikely they’ll do well in the running events. I’ve just told them to aim to do a PB and not worry too much about the placing.

    I also think situation matters. At a club level I do think everyone should be given a fair go and it should mostly be about having fun (though not keeping score is ridiculous – ALL the kids know what the score is whether it is official or not) but once you are beyond that, the best team should be chosen whether some kids miss out or not.

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    • Snap!!

      I agree with you that situation matters. Club level, share the love. Regional or state? Bring. It. On.

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      • Kylie L

        Another in agreement. My 10 yo daughter is has swum in the 7-10 state champs the last two years, and is on the cusp of an 11yo state qualifying time in two events for the state age championships. When she’s at a PB night at her club or a lower level meet her coach tells her to have fun, but when she’s at a qualifying meet (ie the results are counted for state champs) her coach tells her to swim hard and not to leave anything in the pool (and about 50 other technical things to do with her breathing and kicking that I have no idea about). That advice is spot on- she trains hard, so the qualifying meets aren’t just about having fun- they’re about getting a result for all that work, and she knows that too. I think at her age it’s important to have a mix of the two- meets where she can have fun, win a medal or two, sit with her friends, muck about & eat lollies- and those where she’s there to try and achieve something and will thus focus much more. In the end too, as lots of others have said, the kids get that. They just need to be saved from the parents.

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  16. Poppy

    totally with you Em, love when my kid wins – because he gets to see what can be achived when they work and train hard. Like what Neeks said below, sport teaches you so much about how the “real world” works. The disappointment at losing is also invaluable because today’s little princes and princesses need to learn it doesn’t always go your way, and sometimes other people are just better than you (at some things).
    I could never send my kids to a school where it wasn’t competitive – no way!

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  17. Petal

    Oh yes I totally relate. I coached an u13 netball team in a grand final a couple of years ago & was torn between fielding the previous weeks team for the grand final (which meant leaving the same 2 girls off for a half) or leaving off 2 other (stronger) players to be fair. What to do? Risk losing the grand final by playing a weaker team or keep the same 2 girls off two weeks in a row? I chose fielding the stronger team. And did I pay for it. The mother humiliated me in front of the other parents, yelling “WHY IS (daughter) OFF AGAIN!” I was humiliated. I tried to talk to her. No use. She stormed off. I sobbed into my scarf while other mothers consoled me.

    We won.

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    • Wendy

      And perhaps the mother thought you were humiliating her child by not giving her a fair chance to play several weeks in a row.

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  18. princessmelli

    I played a lot of sport growing up, and I will be encouraging my children, currently 3 and 14 months old, to do the same.
    I think we should be rewarding the winners, and keeping score in team sports, it gives them something to strive towards.
    You need to be able to be a good loser as well as a good winner and a good parent will be encouraging their child to do their best always.
    Life is not about everyone getting a prize, and sports are a great way to illustrate this.

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  19. chrissy

    In the childrens pixar film The Incredibles there is an awesome line. The mother says to her child, “everyones special darling” to which he replies in a disgruntled voice “thats just the same as saying no-one is”

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  20. Cordeline

    I am so with you Em.

    Most kids these days are growing up as real softies. They are not being taught resilience! Even young kids need to know things like:

    That’s life
    Oh well, better luck next time
    That’s over now, so let’s move on to something else

    And they can be taught all of these things still in a loving and caring manner. But they can’t be babied all the time. Everything can’t be fair all the time. Life isn’t fair all the time. Everyone knows that and the sooner you learn that, the better.

    Like anything with kids, we should be teaching them these things with age-appropriate standards.

    And for the love god, will everyone stop playing pass-the-parcel at parties for little kids. And wrapping a treat under every layer. And stopping the music tactfully so that every kid gets their treat! This is the why this party game used to be played by primary school aged kids, who had the emotional understanding that it’s a game and one person gets to win.

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    • Robyn

      Totally agree with this one (especially pass the parcel).

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  21. Carmel

    You rock Em

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  22. Kaii

    Em, I’m so with your “Lord of the Flies” theory. For the parents out there who feel the need to make every decision for their child, do you not realise you are disadvantaging them, and taking away their ability to make decisions, learn from the bad and excel from the good? I am so sick of parents trying to protect their children, because these poor kids then hit an age where they realise the world out there is so much more than they were ever allowed to know. Holding your child back does not protect them in the long run!

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  23. beee

    Hah I totally agree!
    I rekon that we need to keep telling the little kids that it doesnt matter about winning because when they’re young they need to hear that sort of encouragement. As you said Em, when parents stay out of stuff, they will come up with things on their own or in this case start to realise that there is a little bit of healthy competition in life!

    I still remember in year 12 when the teachers told us sports carnival was “just a bit of fun”. EFF THAT! I was house captain baby and if we didnt win after going to the trouble of painting our faces blue and wearing kilts (hello braveheart), then I would have lost the plot!!

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  24. Martine

    I agree that we are not dealing with this the best way we could. The earlier all life skills are taught the better, and certainly learning to win and lose is one of the most valuable lessons kids need to take with them throughout adolescence and beyond.
    This was one I wrote a while back
    http://themodernparent.net/winning-or-losing-are-we-failing-our-kids/

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  25. Angela

    I totally agree with this. At a recent athletics carnival, the mother of one of my daughter’s friends (stay with me) was congratulating her daughter for coming first in a race. Only to be told by a father standing nearby that ‘we don’t encourage them to come first, we encourage them to participate…….everyone is a winner’.
    Yep, because that is how it is in real life. Everyone is a winner!
    I said to my friend ‘You go ahead and congratulate her loudly and proudly! What if this is the ONLY race she ever wins in her life!?!?!’
    I was raised in a competitive household (and like Em) find it difficult to be mild-mannered on the sidelines.
    Nothing wrong with kids having fire in their bellies……..and yes, they generally work out what needs to be done to achieve!

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    • beee

      That is really silly! They should be able to still congratulate them if they win!! That father could have also congratulated his child for participating which means everyone gets praise which is what they want isnt it??

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  26. Neeks

    I am in complete agreement with you. I played a ton if sport as a kid and I have been increasingly agitated by kids sports where they don’t keep score and there are no winners. What the hell? I learnt some very important life lessons on the sporting field. It taught me how to be gracious in defeat and not to gloat when you win. You learn to cope with disappointment and learn that some people are naturally better at some things then you. I also learnt to practice if I wanted to get better and learnt about committment and not letting down your team.

    How do you learn these things if you are not keeping score? And how the hell does not keeping score prepare kids for adult hood?

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  27. Deliriousmumof4

    Oh Em…I felt like I could’ve written this post myself! I was at the region relays on sunday in the northern country division for 2 of my kids…and yes, our awesome organizer mum (hats off to her) is a school teacher and yes we had to be fair when we could’ve easily ran our fastest 4. I’m all for kids doing their best and having fun but your point exactly…why do we keep score, have ladders, grand finals, regionals, state level…you’re hearing me. In saying that before anyone gets all judgy on me, one of my children always does her best, tries her little heart out but does not have that athletic driven gene as the others but I love seeing her ‘have a go’…I have no answers lol Closet crazy sideline mummy here too… Love your work!

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  28. ktee

    Both my kids are very good at all sports,thats is their thing that they achieve well in,yet they are not recognised for it as everyone gets the same award just for being there. I don’t see that happening with the kids that are great at art or math ect. I’m all for encouraging kids to have a go but i think its ok for the kids who achieve a high standard in anything to just be awarded. We had a similar thing happen with our school soccer and relay team.

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    • WTE

      As the mum of 2 kids who are very good at maths, I can assure you they don’t get recognised for that either. They come home with more awards for dancing (which they have no talent in) than they do for maths.

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      • Ktee

        My son once got an award for the way he walked into the class room… He was in year 4 …lol

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        • WTE

          Now that’s one I haven’t heard before

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    • Faybian

      If you’re good at art, you generally get diddly squat. One of my daughters did get an award for achievement in music though.

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    • Cady

      The school I went to, there were no academic awards because they didn’t want people to feel bad about not being as good as others. That somehow wasn’t reflected in the school sports day, when there were trophies and ribbons for the first 2 or 3 across the line.

      I used to think that it was just part of a plan to teach kids that life is generally unfair. Now I suspect that it was because the school was carrying some pretty piss-poor teachers and didn’t want to deal with the comparisons across classes in the same year.

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  29. Cazzie

    My husband and I both hate “everyone wins a medal” day. We teach our two boys, 4 and 5 that winning is great, being competitive is good. We also teach them that coming second, third or last is ok providing you did your best. Many parents don’t like our attitude, but as my hubby points out, we are setting our boys up to succeed, not be mere participants. In our opinion it is better to strive to be great rather than take the easy way out and be average. (I am expecting serious negative fall out from this)

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    • lucinda

      Not from me – great comment!

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    • mahi

      i think what you have said isn’t negative at all-you don’t get frustrated when they don’t come first, providing they have tried their best. I would think this attitude was the norm, but maybe not…

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  30. Sare

    I agree with you, Em! I also think this teaches our kids that no matter how hard you work at something, how much you practice, how much effort you put in, and how good you are as a result, none of it really matters because on the day, when people show up they all get a “fair go”.

    Why work hard if you’re not going to be rewarded for it?

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  31. kellyexeter

    Em I am totally with you on this one. I get quite frustrated with the whole ‘everybody wins/everybody gets equal chance to do everything’ thing.

    This is appropriate in some situations, but for the most part, it’s just not how life works. And the fact that the girls figured out the logical solution to the problem themselves … and then had their solution overridden in the name of ‘fairness’? That makes me want to scream!

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