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By RACHEL POWER

Is education about treating everyone equally? Or is it about the pursuit of being the best?

My daughter has high level needs.

Her teacher does her very best to cater for our 7 year-old within her class of 25 kids but under current funding arrangements only a tiny proportion of those that need help actually qualify for extra support in the classroom.

Our kids attend their local state school in an inner-suburban area that attracts a lot of new migrants, refugees and a high proportion of Indigenous families.

This diversity is what we love and value about the school — but it also means our daughter is only one of a large number of kids with high-level needs.

It also means that our next nearest school — only two kilometres closer to the city but with a notably better-heeled parent community — can run a community fete that raises ten of thousands of dollars every year, while we struggle to make more than a few grand at our local event.

Just the other day I found myself comforting a mother who was sobbing hysterically in the school foyer. When she calmed down enough to tell me what was wrong, it emerged that her son’s glasses had fallen off and were accidentally trodden on by another kid. She had no idea how she was going to afford another pair.

Recently one of the world’s leading authorities on education reform, Pasi Sahlberg, visited Australia. I was particularly struck by his statement that in Finland, the education system strives for equity not excellence — but that the result of equity turns out to be excellence nonetheless.

As a result, Finland continues to blitz the competition on educational outcomes internationally, while Australia has been slipping further and further down the OECD scale every year. Sahlberg’s advice: Start with the equitable funding of the nation’s school system.

Last year, the Federal Government commissioned the most comprehensive review of schools funding in almost 40 years. The Gonski Review found that achievement gaps in literacy between those from disadvantaged and advantaged backgrounds could amount to as much as three years of schooling.

But what is the Gonski Report?

You can read the full Gonski Report here but in summary this is what it says:

  1. The shared funding of schools between Federal and State Governments is too complex
  2. Many Government schools need urgent funding for infrastructure
  3. There should be a minimum amount of funding that follows each student, with additional ‘loadings’ for students with special needs or certain characteristics
  4. All of the changes will cost around $5 billion

Its report recommended a comprehensive change to the way schools are funded — directing money toward those with the greatest need — and called for an extra $5 billion to be injected into schools as a matter of urgency.

The message from the Gonski Review was clear: the current funding system is broken, it’s failing too many of our students, and it is harming the prosperity of the nation.

But so far the Gillard Government, hell-bent on achieving a budget surplus, has refused to commit the extra funding or to implement Gonski’s recommendations.

Once I might have been blissfully ignorant about the important of this issue. Now I am acutely aware of what it means. My daughter is lucky enough to have educated parents who can invest time, energy and resources into trying to make sure she doesn’t fall through the gaps.

For three hours every day my partner and I take turns to leave work and take our daughter to a specialised learning program. Costing the equivalent of a family holiday to Bali (which would have been nice!), I am acutely aware that while this is a considerable sacrifice for us, it is a prohibitive price tag for most families.

Does that make those families’ kids, often with far more severe problems than our little girl, less deserving?

Hell, no.

Surely we can all agree that every kid deserves the best possible education, no matter their background or the size of their parents’ wallet.

Teachers know that in many if not most cases, school represents a one-off opportunity to maximise a child’s potential and give them a fighting chance in life. Imagine, then, the frustration at not having the resources to give a child the one-on-one attention you know could make all the difference.

This is what Gonski’s recommendations would make possible. Better funding would mean more teachers, smaller class sizes and increased attention for each child.

A society can only be as culturally rich, as productive and prosperous, as its public education system allows. The Gonski Report represents a once-in-a-generation opportunity to create a better future for Australia.

As parents, we have the greatest stake in the quality of Australia’s education system. For that reason, we also have the greatest power to push for change.

 

Rachel Power is a journalist, mother and author of The Divided Heart: Art and Motherhood (Red Dog Books). Visit http://igiveagonski.com.au/ if you’d like to register your support for the I Give a Gonski campaign.

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  1. Chris Curtis

    I have just come across this site because I am very interested in the Gonksi report. It is excellent, but it is not perfect, and the current enthusiasm for implementing it as is will lead to future problems that are obvious already. You can read a detailed discussion of how the report needs to be changed at http://community.tes.co.uk/forums/t/576719.aspx.

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  2. Kristine

    An amazing teacher who inspires their students can teach to kids at Cranbrook (Sydney private school) or to kids in the outback, sitting in a shed with no air conditioning – and get the very best result despite their surrounds.

    With two children in primary school and in reflecting on my own experience as a student, I think the amazing, inspiring teachers are, disappointingly, the exception rather than the rule.

    I think we need to focus our funding on making our teachers better, happier and inspired to make a huge difference in children’s lives – not just turn up, teach the bare minimum of the curriculum, hanging out for the school holidays and thanking god for the fact that they such a secure job.

    If we do that, it will matter less about whether the school has the latest and greatest facilities and fit-out – an enormous slice of the expected cost to overhaul the education system.

    It would be great to see the schools that are in low socioeconomic areas -the schools that require a lot of building works and refurbishments – report exception results despite those needs? Because they had such amazing teachers that that stuff didn’t matter.

    Wouldn’t it be great if the Education Minister called all of the teachers together and said, “look, we need xxx funding from the Government, but the Government isn’t going to be able to provide that funding in the immediate future – but – how about we all lift, take on this challenge and inspire our students to do better despite that.”

    All a great teacher needs is a student, willing to learn.

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    • Lucinda

      I think you might be living in a bit of fantasy land. There are lots and lots of great teachers – the really exceptional ones are always going to be rare because they have a natural ability and drive that can’t be taught. Few teachers enter the profession because it is secure and they get school holidays. If they do, they don’t last because it is a hard job and the pay mediocre. Almost every teacher chooses the profession because they want to make a difference. You are right though, in that the government needs to do more to ensure that good teachers want to stay in the profession, and funding for infrastructure is not the answer. But you are a little bit in fairyland if you think a great teacher can get great results no matter what school they are in. I great teacher can turn the culture of learning in a classroom around for sure, but they can’t always get that to reflect in the outcomes. Exceptional teachers are not the only barrier to learning for many children. Some behavioural and learning problems do not qualify for extra funding in a classroom. A child with ADHD who constantly disrupts the class and exhibits violent behaviour and climbs out the window every lesson, is a barrier to other children’s learning. The child who is being abused and neglected at home (whose family may have already been reported to DOCS) and comes to school withdrawn and with no lunch and having not eaten breakfast and doesn’t even have shoes on their feet is never going to be coming to school ready to learn like his/her peers.

      And did you realise in some low socio-economic schools and in Aboriginal communities the single biggest factor in poor results is absenteeism? Is there any inspirational teacher that can deliver results when they have students who are absent from school more days than they are there?

      The other thing to consider is our tool for measuring results. NAPLAN. Many children from low-socio economic areas and Aboriginal communities are not factored in when writing these tests in middle class Melbourne. What good is a question about considering the significance of a Pura Milk logo on the shirts of a basketball team, when some of the responders have never seen a basketball game and get their milk straight from a cow? That is just one example of a real Naplan question that has no cultural relevance whatsoever to a whole group of high risk children.

      Anyway, just pointing out that there is a whole lot more to consider than how many exceptional teachers we have. It is hugely complicated.

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      • Kristine

        Thanks for your feedback Lucinda. I agree my ideas are idealistic – I understand there are a lot of teachers who aim to inspire their students but I also think there are a lot who don’t or who are jaded by their experience in the education system.
        I observe the teachers in my children’s school, which is a public school that would be considered to be amongst the best in the country. The sort of school where out of area parents start lining up to apply from 4am in the morning. What I see are only a handful of teachers who are energised, engaging and inspirational. The other teachers I find are simply going through the motions and appear disillusioned. A few have their eyes on retirement which is on the horizon and appear to be floating along towards it. There needs to be a complete shake up resulting in more energised and inspiring teaching.

        I don’t pretend to know what’s involved in that shake up. But I do see with my own eyes so much disillusionment which is then reflected in the class rooms and in our children’s lives.

        Also, I understand what you are saying about the funding for special needs and this really what I meant when I say we should be putting money into human resources before we start shelling out for refurbishments. That can come later – engaged teachers, inspired teachers, teachers who feel supported in the classroom can teach anywhere – even, shock horror, in a classroom without air conditioning.

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        • Dulcie

          If there are so mnay jaded teachers, why are ‘out of area ‘parents lining up to b enrolled?? Let me guess. NAPLAN results on the “My school ‘ website!

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        • Lucinda

          Thanks for your reply Kristine. I think we are mostly on the same page – I do agree we have to keep teachers energised and inspired and ensure that they don’t become jaded by the system. It does happen a lot. The average burn out rate for a teacher is 5 years. That is a big problem.

          Just out of curiosity, what is it that makes you see many of the teachers at your kids’ school as jaded and stale? What is it that is giving the perception of the school as being one of the best public schools around? Do you think it is because of Naplan scores. I’d be thinking they must be doing something right to have the repuation they have and for parents to be on waiting lists to enrol.

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  3. Lucinda

    There are just so many sides to this debate, I doubt whether there is a one size fits all solution to funding of schools. I -personally- think someone needs to look at which schools are severely underfunded and investigate what they are spending the funds they have on. No doubt there are some that are missing out, and I absolutely think all state schools and many private schools need an big injection of funds into high quality resources such as interactive whiteboards, iPads and laptops as well as resource packs for literacy and numeracy instruction programs.

    But, there has been large injections of funding via the National Partnerships program which provides funding for schools with low literacy results, low naplan results, low SES students, high percentage of Indigenous students. If a school qualifies on all areas, then they get separate funding for each. The catch is that these schools (i think) don’t continue to recieve funding if they don’t show an improvement in outcomes. So my question is, where is the inquiry into how schools are using the funding they get and why outcomes are not improving?

    I think we have to look at the bigger picture here. We are not Finland, and we are not Finnish. We are a multi-cultural country with an Indigenous population who are falling through the cracks of the Education system because the instruction and the pedagogies are failing them. This bears no relationship to the funding.

    Also out of curiosity, does anyone know how big classes are in Finland? Because in my opinion (as a beginning and passionate early childhood teacher), the ratio of 1 teacher to 25-30 children is way too high and probably accounts for many children falling through the cracks. If funding needs to go anywhere, I think paying for more teachers in schools and reducing the class size would be the optimal place to start.

    I am going against the grain and suggesting people look at the Gonski report as being just one part of the bigger picture of education in Australia. It is not the one answer we’ve been looking for, it is simply an item for consideration. Yes, we need more funding, particularly for children who are from disadvantaged backgrounds or have special needs, but our schools need more than money.

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    • Anon

      From what I remember, the teacher student ratio in Finland is something like 1/13 or 1/14 – classes often have a couple of teachers operating at the same time for particular subject. In classes requiring a higher level of support this can drop to less than 1/10.

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      • Lucinda

        Thanks for that. Well to me, that is the reason why Finland achieves higher. Right there. That is where the funding needs to go – make the class sizes smaller!

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  4. Iain_Macpherson

    http://www.facebook.com/macpherson.iain
    I think that the shortfall for funding of public schools must be fixed ASAP, Rachel, but I see a risk in that Gonski is a businessman in charge of Coca-Cola-Amatil Australia and his report into education funding (which seems quite good on the surface) does leave an opening for voucher-style education funding.
    I’m keen for the largesse towards so-called “independent” and religious schools by successive Federal governments to end. But I don’t want to see the risk of VOUCHER BASED education or corporate-sponsored charter schools in Australia.
    We need a funding guarantee model based on Gonski’s figures (plus an allowance for CPI growth in the last six months).
    All that being said, the greatest finding by Gonski was restating the bleeding obvious … that too many schools serving children of various disadvantage are severely underfunded for a first world nation like Australia.

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  5. Syd

    This makes me incredibly sad, I come from a low-socio economic background and my school reflected that. People in hand-me-down uniforms, lack of facilities etc etc, although my family never struggled that much, I saw it everyday. Every child deserves an education and every chance to learn and grow. If that lady still needs glasses for her child I’m happy to donate!

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    • Rachel Power

      Thank you to those who have left messages about the mother from my kids’ school who was distraught about her son’s broken glasses. Our principal is helping her out, but I will them know about OPSM’s offer (thanks K). And thanks Syd – very kind offer. The compassion of other parents is one of the loveliest aspects of parenting.

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    • aysun

      Hi Syd – I agree with you as a parent of 3 children I can relate, I struggled with having 2 boys going to high school and the expenses were much greater but I found out about this fantastic program called the Saver Plus Program through the Brotherhood of St Laurence assists with low income earners, you save $500 and they will match it with another $500 for education expenses – I would recommend this program to all parents who have kids at school or if there studying them selves

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  6. Hannah

    Thanks for writing your story, there are thousands of children and parents in similar situations we need to hear more of them. The sad thing is we have to be reminded that equity leads to excellence!

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  7. Sweetness

    THIS is what should be front and centre of the news. Not the Carbon Tax. Not the surplus. The Gillard Govt should say-yes we want a surplus. But we want our kids to have a fair and equitable education, where they can all succeed.

    I think too, a lot of people get defensive about the public and private debate. It isn’t about taking away all government funding from private schools. It is about giving a set amount to each student (well to their schools, not the family), and extra money to those students with special needs, ESL etc. The thing is though, people that send their kids to private schools because of the better educational opportunities probably wouldn’t need to. Because no matter what school you go to, you should have the opportunity to do well-not just those families that can afford to pa the fees.

    I am a teacher. A public school teacher, and I went to public schools. I grew up and taught for a while in rural NSW, and I have now moved to a larger centre. The school I used to teach in in rural NSW had no private schools around (just state and a Catholic school). Every year we got UAIs of over 95, and kids that excelled across the board-sport, drama, music, etc etc. Moving to a larger centre I found this wasn’t so much the case, as most of those kids went to private schools.

    I am also actually a special ed teacher. I started teaching mainstream high school, moved to a unit within a middle school, and now teach in a special school. BUT I believe in inclusion. So why do I teach in a special school? Because the funding and support given to these kids and their families isn’t there. The kids I teach would not cope in a mainstream setting under current arrangements. They all started in mainstream, and didn’t cope.

    The teachers need support and training in differentiation and special needs. They need smaller class sizes. They need more teacher wise funding. This is what Gonski could give us.

    Every child deserves and NEEDS a decent education.

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  8. Kareen Macey

    ListeNed to Pasi Sahlberg yesterday at the NSWTF annual conference. Implementing Gonski is a necessity if we are to provide educational equity to all students. I give a Gonski!

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  9. Angela

    Everyone, please support “I Give A Gonski”.

    I started teaching in a small Catholic school, then 12 years ago moved to the public system. What continues to astound me is the disparity between schools in both systems. The Catholic school I taught in was struggling to make ends meet while the other Catholic boys school up the road was installing new swimming pools.

    As an HSC marker, each year I have the opportunity to travel to a wide range of schools. Yet in the public system, there is a huge variation in the quality of resources and support we see in these schools that are all funded by the same system. Public education should be about equality, but that’s not currently happening – that’s what Gonski is about and partly why teachers have been protesting about ‘Local Schools, Local Decisions’.

    Give A Gonski – support better education for our future.

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  10. Rachel Power

    I understand that that private vs public debate is a heated one. But what I am really trying to emphasise in this article is that we have a one-time chance here to back a review that is calling for a massive and urgent injection of funding for education across all sectors.
    It would be a tragedy if we missed this chance because we were too busy fighting about where we choose to send our own kids.
    It comes down to this one basic question: Do you think, in this first-world country of ours, ALL kids deserve to find the best possible teaching and resources that Austalia can afford to provide AT THEIR LOCAL school? If you do, then please support the I Give a Gonski campaign.
    I for one would hate to see Australia become a place where private education becomes the norm (because parents feel that they are forced to pay for a good education) and the public system becomes a residual safety-net for the poorest and most disadvantaged in our culture. This would be a terrible path for a positive and egalitarian country like Australia to take.

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    • Kathy W

      Rachel – I understand and support what you’re saying.

      My experience as a teacher in public schools, however, would indicate that funding and resourcing is not the only answer. I worked at a public high school in a low socio-economic area. It received $13,000 per year per student funding – while the Catholic high school across the road received $8,000. The public school had brand new science labs, free uniforms,a breakfast program, a support unit with ten special ed teachers and 15 teachers aids, five computer labs, free printing, air conditioned classrooms…..and still the kids were failing. Literacy was poor, HSC results were poor, the attendance rates were shocking – one one day last year 60% of the students were absent. The students behaviour was challenging to say the least and was often extremely abusive and sometimes violent towards staff.

      As you can see, all the funding and resources in the world were provided for this school – however it wasn’t working.
      Parents didn’t want to know – they blamed staff for their kids’ feral behaviour and expected us to teach them manners and life skills. They placed very little value on learning – and attitude brought to school by the kids who saw school as simply a place to socialise. I remember one day handing out a worksheet and having it thrown on the floor – ‘I’m not doing this shit’ – was the comment that followed. This was not an unusual occurrence despite all of us staff trying our best to make the work engaging.

      Many on here have called on the Finnish system as an example of how the system should be run. I would, however, also look at how Finnish families value education and encourage their children to learn. It’s possibly also the reason why the Finnish model works so well.

      As a parent, I removed my teenage son from the poisonous environment of his public high school – and placed him in a Catholic school. His results have improved out of sight, and this Catholic school has far fewer resources than the public school. It just has an outstanding ‘culture of learning’ – and that can’t be bought.

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      • Kathy

        You’re right, to an extent, about the Finnish system. From my experience in Finland, many people do seem to value education. Certainly the society values teachers which is why they’re held in such high esteem and why they are paid fairly well.

        However, the point about the Finnish system is that it, somewhat perversely, relies *less* on parents valuing education and encouraging their children. The reason is that the quality of education they receive at school is so high, consistently, that there is less imperative for parents to sit down with their children at night to do their homework etc.

        Don’t get me wrong, I believe that it is very important for parents to do that. However, the fact is that it is not always possible. Some single parents (and nuclear family parents as well!) spend so much time working to pay bills, to put food on the table, that they get some late, exhausted, and still have to cook, clean, make school lunches etc. I understand why they don’t sit down for 15 minutes with each child to do home readers.

        The Finnish system acknowledges that children have a variety of experiences in the home with regard to education, how it is viewed by the parents, how much time parents have to dedicate to it, and so seeks to provide an even a playing field as possible.

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        • Ignorance is bliss

          Valuing education is about more than sitting down to help with homework. Whilst Finnish education stands as the pinnacle of comparison, the social contexts and culture are so different. It doesn’t mean that we can’t look at some of the ways they do things, but you can’t replicate it.

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          • Anon

            The education system in Finland hasn’t been an overnight success – it has taken a generation or so to build. And you’re absolutely right, the social contexts and culture are different – and to an extent they have been made different as a result of the reforms Finland introduced a long time ago. People have changed their attitudes towards education partly due to how effective their system is proving to be.

            The main factors that I can think of that would stand in the way of Australia doing the same are:

            1. Tax: we are a relatively low taxing country – certainly in comparison to Scandinavia. Australians – as a rule – don’t like to pay more tax. Higher tax is needed to fund an education system like this to improve teacher salaries and teacher/student ratios.

            2. A large majority of families have two parents working, with generous parental leave allowances and access to affordable childcare. As a result, the children who go to childcare facilities are exposed to the particular educational ethos much earlier in their lives. In Australia, we have less affordable and universal access to childcare and less generous parental leave entitlements. There is also not the same level of consistency in educational ethos at childcare centres – they are viewed as something to facilitate workforce participation, rather than early childhood education. As a result, fewer children in Australia attend daycare and, for those that do, it is not as effective a preparation for schooling as those in Finland.

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        • Anon

          Oops, sorry Kathy W – inadvertently entered your name when I responded to you in my post above!

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      • aysun

        as a parent of 3 children I can relate, I struggled with having 2 boys going to high school and the expenses were much greater but I found out about this fantastic program called the Saver Plus Program through the Brotherhood of St Laurence assists with low income earners, you save $500 and they will match it with another $500 for education expenses – I would recommend this program to all parents who have kids at school or if there studying them selves

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  11. Guest

    Having spent 12 years at a private school and 10 years teaching in the public school sector, plus 3 children at a local Area school I am really keen to comment on this article.
    I agree private schools need to be funded otherwise they will overload the public system. If a school decides to spend their money on an organ or a new building that’s their choice. Much better than the10′s of thousands of dollars spent putting up sheds/gyms all around the place that would have cost a 1/4 of the price if not done under the crazy spending structure that was happening.
    More emphasis needs to be placed on teaching quality and teaching the individual and equity in education especially for disability.
    Naplan is a waste of space when you consider some schools spend terms practising the test beforehand so their results are deemed suitable – much like the career counselling offered at private schools so students don’t pick subjects that will damage the Year12 results.
    One of the saddest things I see in the country is teachers from o/s who are engineers or otherwise qualified professional, they enter Australia and are offered a 1 year diploma of teaching as their skills are not recognised and then are let loose in our schools. Or teachers who have taught 40 years at one school and not asked to move on. I wish the system allowed for teachers to be removed prior to them comitting sexual harassment -the poor performance system is a complete joke!
    The best advice I can offer a new parent – is walk the school grounds – see if your local school has pride- and then volunteer- be active in the school- go in and read, fundraise, canteen help, go on the council and committees then if you can’t make a difference look at the best school for your child not the best system.

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    • NiceBoulder

      You are totally kidding yourself if you think senior subject pruning doesn’t occur in State schools too. We have a list that goes out every week about Senior students that are not “succeeding” in a subject. They don’t improve rapidly? – BOOM they are yanked out of that subject so fast their heads spin. Can’t have students pulling down the data.

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    • Clare b

      Rachel Power is one of our country’s most intelligent and compassionate authors. She does not use words lightly. Geez it’s good to see some substance on this website! Thanks Rachel.

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  12. the Original Camille

    this article seems fair enough.
    EXCEPT the bit about her child’s education costing the equivalent of a family holiday to Bali. What are you saying? That it is your right to go to Bali??? It sounds like a luxury to me, but good on you for spending it on your child instead.

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    • charlierose

      Well I think thats the point… if the state system was able to accommodate for her daughter then she wouldn’t have to spend thousands of dollars on a private school and could use it for any manner of uses- her main point wasn’t that she deserves a trip to Bali, more that she wishes that the public system could provide an education for all those who needed one because not everyone can afford the private system like she can.

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      • passing through

        f the state system was able to accommodate for her daughter then she wouldn’t have to spend thousands of dollars on a private school

        You read her post wrong, her children go to a state school

        Our kids attend their local state school in an inner-suburban area that attracts a lot of new migrants, refugees and a high proportion of Indigenous families.

        What she does is her and her husband have to take turns taking three hours off a day to take their daughter to a specialised learning program. It’s missing three hours paid work a day that is costing them a trip to Bali {boo hoo}

        I didn’t get to go to work either because I had a special needs child but I didn’t moan about not being able to go on expensive holidays.

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    • Saz Irvine

      I don’t read it that way. I read it as a comment on what they are able to do to support their child, because they have the “luxury” to make a choice and forgo a family holiday. The point is readily made that many others don’t. Our schools should educate all children, regardless. We hold it up as a right. That’s the point, and I agree.

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      • Rachel Power

        Thanks all. Yes, the mention of a trip to Bali was perhaps just a flippant way of indicating the cost, rather than a suggestion of what we would be doing otherwise. Our kids go to our local state school, which is a great school that doesn’t have the resources to give our daughter the kind of one-on-one attention she currently needs. We are very fortunate to have parents who have contributed to the cost of the private classes. P.S. I’ve never been to Bali though it looks very nice.

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        • Ljs

          Thanks for an informative post Rachel. We starred the school setting this year with no aide for our son because he scored too high in one category (whilst behind in others).
          I read your Bali comment for how I believe it was meant – simply an example of the cost of additional therapies. Lots of people, even those who have never been to Bali, would know the rough cost. Simple but effective.
          Thanks again

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  13. Melissa

    I want my child to receive a higher level of education so I pay to send my child to the best school I can. It’s a simple as that .

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    • Noreen

      No child is worth more resources than any other child! It is the government’s responsibility to fund a secular, inclusive, well-resourced, comprehensive, open public system for everyone. It’s as simple as that.

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      • Utopia

        If only it were that simple. You might want to borrow a time machine to go back many years for that goal to be achieved.

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    • katehunter

      The point is, you shouldn’t have to make that choice. Public education should be the best available. That is Gonski’s aim.

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    • Ljs

      Private education does not guarantee success. Been there, done that.

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      • Polly

        Depends how you define ‘success’. My ADHD/Aspergers 11yo had an awful time last year with a truly appalling teacher and a public school who loved to talk about how thy were helping but in reality totally sucked. This year we are private and the change in him is miraculous. He has an amazing brain so always bumped up his former school’s Naplan results and they loved to use him as an example of how great their teachers were at their jobs. Bullshit. Now his teachers do not demand, bully or force a curriculum on him. He is no longer faking sickness, crying when I take him to school or having meltdowns every day when I pick him up. and I call that a raging success.

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  14. Ignorance is bliss

    Ok. Private school funding. Let’s try to look at the truth behind the funding. Consider if pvt schools didn’t exist. How many more schools would the govt have to build, staff and maintain if this was the case? Private schools save the govt money. Yes, they receive money, because if the pvt schools didn’t exist it would cost the govt far more money to service education without them. Getting hung up on funding to pvt schools is the biggest waste of conversational time. All schools need to be better funded.

    In regard to the discussion about having students with special needs ‘mainstreamed’, this was in part because there were so many ppl, including parents, who didn’t like the labeling and ‘segregation’ of students with special needs. Now we have those complaining that they don’t get that opportunity. I totally agree that if the govt wants integrated inclusiv classrooms tht they need to fund appropriate support, for the students and the teachers.

    Final thought, every student does deserve the right to an education regardless. The govt needs to do better. School teachers and school admin aren’t where criticism should be aimed. Time for Gonski changes to be delivered.

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  15. katehunter

    The Gonski Report must be actioned. Public education should be the gold standard. No family should stretch themselves struggling to pay private school fees because they believe public education is second rate. My kids go to a Catholic school (because it’s Catholic, not private) but that’s our choice and I’d pay a bit more for the privilege if it meant EVERY kid had a crack at a top notch education. I hope Gillard takes it to the election as a major platform because it would win my vote.

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    • Anonymous

      Kate
      Could not have said it better myself!!

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    • elle

      Do your kids go to a Catholic school because you believe it offers a better education than a public school? Or because you are Catholic and want your kids to be taught R.E?

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      • katehunter

        Hi Elle, Its the Catholic thing, for sure. Not that I’m a devout Catholic (we go to Mass reasonably regularly and had our kids baptised, married in the Church etc). It’s how I was raised and it’s what I’m familiar with. If we didn’t tick the Catholic box, we’d send our kids to the local state school for sure. I would never consider a secular private school.

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  16. Jackson

    People seem to get hung up about ‘Private schools” and just assume that when the term private school is used they are talking about a GPS type school that charges $25,000 plus a year. In fact schools of this nature are in the minority and most private schools are low fee paying schools that are struggling for resources just like public schools.

    There are plenty of cases of schools that are classed as ‘private” that actually take the kids that even public schools won’t have.
    There is a great school called East Sydney High School which is a private independent school that takes kids that no one else will touch.

    When people call for funding of private schools to be stopped they do not take these type of schools into consideration.

    You can’t start picking and choosing who is “more” deserving than others so the current funding system is the fairest way the government has found to ensure that all students get a fair share of funding.

    Remember per child, public school students get more in funding (nearly double) of private students.

    We are never going to have a totally equal system because no two students have the same needs. It is a shame that so many people see the funding model as an adversarial situation and only want to see how it impacts their own situation without taking into consideration the community and all the different situations a community involves.

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    • Guest

      Plenty of private schools are like you describe, but that doesn’t mean you can’t look at what is going on with the top tier GPS type. If you took away the millions Geelong Grammar got and redistributed that then maybe those lower private schools could get the money you say they need? I don’t see why can’t pick and choose who is more deserving, the current system is not the fairest way they govt could find, it is a legacy from the vote-buying from the middle class the Howard government engaged in. The Gonski report has found it is not fair, at all.

      No one wants to take away from deserving low income private schools or poor Catholic schools, there are just serious questions about how the funding for private schools is distributed.

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      • Jackson

        I don’t think I explained myself very well.

        I don’t think it is fair to say that one child is more deserving of another child. All children should get the exact same level of basic funding and then those who are deemed to need extra services, get more.

        I think every child should get something like an education voucher for an agreed amount. Then each parent can use that voucher at whatever school they choose, if that school charges more then the voucher amount then it is up to the parents to pay that amount. Obviously on top of this, children with extra educational needs get more funding from the government.

        At the moment private school children get less funding than public school students. I don’t think that is fair.

        There is also studies that have shown that some of the best funded schools in lower socio economic areas and in Aboriginal areas actually are doing worse the more funding they are given. Sometimes throwing money at a problem doesn’t actually solve it.

        I just think that we need to start off with a level, everyone is equal funding formula and work from there.

        This is just my opinion and I respect that everyone has different ideas and everyone comes to the discussion with their own experiences and opinions that help form those opinions.

        That is why it is such a difficult topic, there as many different situations as there are students.

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        • Lorraine

          Then you will like Gonski, its not a voucher system, the school gets the funding per student and loading is then added on top for special needs. While independant schools do take children with special needs the distribution overall is firmly in the public school camp. And you’re right East Sydney is amazing.

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          • Jackson

            Thanks for the reply Lorraine.
            It is interesting you say that children with special needs are better represented in the public system, I have no experience of this but I have been surprised by the number of people on this post who have been saying that their public schools have not been able to accommodate their children with special needs.

            There seems to be a gap between what they offer and getting the help to those who need it.

            It would be great if parents did not have to move and fight for their children to get the help they needed.

            I wonder where the problem is occurring.

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            • Lorraine

              Its all about funding, some children with special needs just need a helping hand to get over a few hurdles, a dedicated special needs teacher that can run program’s, often with the help of volunteers for some high quality, highly intensive one-on-one time. Other kids need full time care in a class room, which is why gonski makes sense, each child is funded according to their needs.

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        • Anonymous

          This would be fine, if everyone was born equal, but this isn’t the case. Surely, you realise that a child born into poverty doesn’t have the same opportunities as a child born into a resourse filled, middle class family.

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    • Anonymous

      Well we can have a fairer system that’s what the Gonski review has shown us. The current model isn’t fair and needs to change.

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      • Anonymous

        Hence my reply, I have shown my support through signing the petition. If every child attended their local state school, this would be actioned so much sooner. So much for Australia being a ‘class less society’

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  17. Kris2040

    “Surely we can all agree that every kid deserves the best possible education, no matter their background or the size of their parents’ wallet.”

    I think the proliferation of private schools and the competition to get into them proves otherwise!

    http://www.igiveagonski.com.au

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  18. Ladybug

    I am passionate about public services: health, transport and education. I totally support the reforms proposed by Gonski. Education MUST be equitable to all. It is the key for the impoverished to break out of the cycle. Tell me a society that does not benefit from good education for all?

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  19. Betsy

    So sad and so true. We also have a 7 year old daughter with special needs. Not special enough to qualify for help but too special to have any school options that our local state school that has to take her. We can not even find private one on one options for her. So instead we have to stand by and watch her drowning and wonder what on earth can her future be?

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  20. Over education

    I think you will find it is not the schools themselves but rather the government’s over-involvement in our education system. Maybe if teachers were allowed to teach an age-appropriate, relevant, process-based curriculum rather than teaching to a test and focussing on outcomes all our children will be better off…..did you also know our government cut funding for children with learning difficulties. Genius.

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    • Anonymous

      True teachers and the schools know the students and the community best, they are the ones who know what is needed and by whom. The government keeps coming up with the next big fix such as ‘Evenstart’ which was started a few years ago. Not a bad program which provided tutoring (either small group or individual) for students who had been identified as needing extra help. Sadly this program lasted a year and then was cut. Ask the schools what is needed and then give them the money to do it. Also allow them the freedom to teach in the way the works best for the students.

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  21. Laws for Clouds

    My son has aspergers, and the education system has failed him. We’re giving up, going interstate or overseas to a specialist ASD school, as soon as we find the right fit.

    Not only has the education system failed my son, it’s failed his whole class. I am not happy that there’s a sometimes violent, frequently disruptive and always noisy student in the class. I’m even more unhappy it’s my kid!

    Sometimes these issues are the fault of my son, other times it’s the school system. Poorly trained teachers without an understanding of aspergers or a willingness to learn. Lack of aides. Extra help only found in a crisis and never as a preventative.

    I can’t fight it any longer – I’ve been that mum crying in the schoolyard and my trust is broken. Thank God we can afford to move our kids. I honestly don’t know how much more I could take.

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    • Guest

      As a mother of a daughter with Autism the school system has definitely failed us. In QLD we do not have a specialist Autism school that lasts more than 2 years part time. She has Autism but no Intellectual impairment so can’t go to a special school and as she is non verbal no mainstream schools really want her as she needs a full time aid and there is only funding for 6-8 hours a week for her ( apparently) ! So I too have been the mother in tears, I sympathise with anyone not having a place where your child fits whether you pay for it or not! Something has to be done as all children deserve a good education whether public or private! All schools need funding and funding that goes in the right direction!

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      • vanessayoung

        I am heartbroken over reading these stories, our autistic family member is in a special unit where her needs are catered for. She started school almost completely non verbal and can now read and write above her year level. We are lucky, BUT it should not be a matter of luck! Guest’s daughter ought to have the same educational opportunities as my granddaughter. The trouble is that families with special needs kids are so worn out from sheer everyday life and they do not have time and energy to fight. It is also frightening that many teachers lack understanding of Aspergers and Autism. Before my granddaughter started school I searched the Education Department website and the PDF’s available for access by teachers (One titled “I have a student with Autism: What Now?”) are truly terrifying. There is not even enough information for a teacher who wants to do the right thing by their disabled student.
        Even if these students have parents who are financially able to pay for private education, there are often not schools able to accept them.
        The special needs teacher whose post appears below highlights another problem. The arrival or appointment of a new boss and the whole system falls to pieces. It sounds like her new boss is not willing to listen to teachers or parents who have a successful system in place. And there is no fighting that.
        Education departments do a great line in sympathetic inertia. They will listen, nod their heads gravely, agree it is all a terrible shame and go back to their offices and do nothing!

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    • Anon today

      I’m a special needs teacher who believes in including students with disabilities into mainstream classes as much as possible. I teach in one of the few high schools in Qld who actually still runs a withdrawal program for all core subjects with students being mainstreamed for electives such as manual arts, cooking, art etc. This program is only for students who cannot cope with being in the regular classroom and most of our students with disabilities are fully mainstreamed. We have parents enrol students from outside of our area due to this program. It is successful in that students get the education they need, in a safe learning environment.

      We had a new boss last term who believes in full inclusion so from this coming term some of our students, one of whom cannot do simple addition without counters and cannot write more than his name, will be placed into mainstream classes for English and maths. Due to the lack of funding in this area, they will often be unsupported.

      I’ve been fighting and advocating on behalf of my students but fear I am fighting a losing battle. I’m not sure how much longer I can teach in a system where individual needs are not understood and valued and the mighty funding dollar wins out. This is not why I went to uni for four years and studied special needs.

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    • Melissa

      ‘The Glenleighden School’ http://www.glenleighden.org.au/

      I have seen first hand the amazing benefits of this school.

      I would imagine you have done a lot of research into the schools and additional needs you son requires but this one is worth investigating further if Brisbane is an option for you?

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    • NiceBoulder

      EvenStart was a dismal failure. Pre and post testing showed minimal gains in the majority of students.

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  22. Memma

    Fantastic article!

    Completely agree that our system is failing. When finishing school I was comtemplating teaching…but I was turned off by the questionable level of pay, respect, and tertiary qualifications required/entrance requirement. Also I hate the public/private divide. I love the idea of the Finnish scenario where the profession is far more highly regarded and the focus is on equity rather than excellence.

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    • Aleesha

      This is such a massive issue that the teaching profession faces. I do not blame anyone for not going into teaching for the reasons you list…why would you? It is becoming a less and less desirable profession which is really concerning for the future of education.
      We need to attract high quality candidates to teaching..people who are intelligent, passionate and empathetic.

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  23. Anonymous

    This is probably going to be an unpopular opinion but I do believe that private schools are entitled to *some* level of government funding. My parents are not wealthy. They both had to work very hard in order to afford the tuition for my brother and I to attend private schools. They also pay taxes (as do almost all the parents and guardians who send their children to private schools) and therefore I think it is reasonable that some of their tax money goes into funding the schools they chose to send their children to.

    Nevertheless, I do believe that the education system should be more equitable. Education is one of the greatest gifts a person can receive and has a strong influence on their future prospects. I do not think that some children should have limited opportunities because they were born into families who are not financially well-off. I am fully in favour of fixing the problems with public schools to make things fairer. But I don’t think that ending all government funding to private schools is fair.

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    • Lorraine

      Gonski does not even venture to suggest that funding to private schools is ceased. It recommends funding per child (equity) then loading special needs funding per child on to that. If you choose to send your child to a private school then you top up the fees, simple. And don’t forget society as a whole benefits from an educated population, it is everyone’s interest to ensure low education outcomes are not generational.

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      • Rachel Power

        Hear hear Lorraine! My point exactly. :)

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  24. Anon

    I’m so glad to see someone else has mentioned the Finnish education system. I’ve lost count of the number of times I’ve mentioned this comments on this site.

    I agree with Sahlberg’s comments re equitable funding but there is something more fundamental. Why on earth did Julia Gillard model the Australian education system reforms on those used in New York (where eqity in educational opportunities and outcomes is appalling) rather than those used in Finland? New York favours competition and access to information (NAPLAN/MySchools website) over collaboration and equality (Finland) yet Finland is consistently in the top couple of education systems in the world.

    I agree we need to address the funding but I think we also need to review why on earth we have run in the opposite direction of the evidence base to pursue a solution which does not work…and perhaps think about adopting the same principles as Finland (and then developing policies around those principles!)

    Before I finish on Finland, if anyone is interested, google ‘Finland education system’ and you can see some great articles and documentaries. As someone who was there twice last year and who stayed with a Finnish family, I can testify as to the quality of the education I saw.

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    • Anonymous

      She did it because they use testing to rate schools and teachers. In Finland it’s about trusting the schools and the teachers and doing whats best for the children. No one could say the the education in America is one that you would want to follow if you want to do what’s best for the students.

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  25. anon

    A quality education should should be available to everyone, not just people with money. It makes my blood boil when I hear reports of a $750 000 organ is installed at an exclusive private school with some of the money funded by tax payers. How is that justifiable.

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  26. marijana

    This article is a very good insight into Australia’s school system. As a non-australian, I find it very difficult to get the hang out of how the education system works in Australia, which is increasingly becoming an issue, as my daughter is due to start Kindergarten(btw that is a german word!) next year and after that school, so it’s time for us to start thinking about which school she will attend.
    The thing is I don’t get the difference between private and public school. Ok apart from the obvious-the cost-what is the difference? Whenever I can I talk to people whose children are already going to school or have finished school, also about the differences of private and public. Some send their kids to public school for elementary, then high school to private. Some seems to strive to get them into private school, some of course can’t afford, some don’t care.
    Yet I still find everything so confusing.
    Generally I don’t agree with this big two-group-system of private and public schooling. To me it gives the impression of two-class system, rich or poor. I know there is lots in between, but I guess not in terms of schooling.
    I like the idea of equity, because that’s how I grew up, and it served me well. The country I grew up in has a rather different system. There is practically no such thing as private school. Every city/suburb/village has their school, and every child living in that place goes to the designated school of their village/suburb/city. Unless there is a major problem, only then a parent can change schools. So called private school were only in a few places and for the super-rich. It meant that no matter what financial background, we all went to the same school and received the same education, the same knowledge, and it gave us the same opportunities for higher educations such as college or University.
    The way it works is the more effort you put in as a student, the more you get, not the more money your parents put in the more you get!

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    • alyssakt

      I think that’s how it should be. Too many parents are driving their kids daily to schools that are several schools away from their homes. Then complaining about petrol.

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      • Ladybug

        My daughter goes to our local school, apart from it being close to home it gives a lovely feel of community too. We walk down to the local shops and invariably bump into people we know. We have met more neighbors due to the school connection. I think going to a school out of the area would detract from this somewhat.

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      • Anonymous

        We drive across town to go to school but only because the school we were going to closed down and the only way we could get the same education was to travel. Choice is important and should be provided in public as well as private education. It is a public school but it offers the education that we signed up for when starting prep. The other school was closed because of department interference.

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    • Rhiannon

      In response to your question about the difference between public and private schools: I have attended both and the following observations are from my experience. Please keep in mind that this is all my opinion/what I have experienced and I am in no way implying that this is the same everywhere. Also, I loved, loved, loved my private school and am very pro-private education if you can afford it.

      Firstly, I found that there is far better discipline at a private school, and also a much firmer stance on anti-bullying. Ultimately a private school can expel a student much more easily that a public school can.

      At a private school there is an expectation that students will behave and perform well. The parents of these students obviously value education as they are willing to spend in the tens of thousands to give their child an education. I am not saying that people who send their kids to public schools don’t care about education (I’m sure many do), but there will still be some students who don’t want to be there and whose parents don’t care if they muck around and don’t work hard. I found them incredibly distracting and disruptive in class and was thankful such students were not found at my private school.

      I also found at my private school that it was cool to be smart. The person who got the top mark in the semester’s maths test was a source of envy and admiration. At my public school they were branded a nerd and teased. Private schools create a culture where students are encouraged to strive to be their best.

      Private schools tend to have smaller classes (sometimes 15-20 students per class compared to 30 at public schools). This is great as it enables more individual attention from teachers. Private schools also tend to have better resources for students who are struggling because they can afford them (I’m not saying this is right or just but it tends to be true).

      Private schools have more extra-curricular activities and better facilities (generally speaking). They also have professional staff who are highly trained to coordinate these activities.

      In Victoria, the private school students perform better academically than the public school students and therefore have a better chance of getting into their first preference university.

      I feel very fortunate that my parents allowed me to attend a private school. I don’t come from a majorly rich family. Both my parents worked very hard to enable both my brother and I to have a private education. They made sacrifices to afford the tuition and I am very grateful. I agree with you that it isn’t fair that some people have access to private schools while others just simply cannot afford it. I think everyone should have the same opportunity to get an education regardless of how wealthy their family is. But currently this is not the case in Australia.

      Having said all of this, although I am in favour of private schools, I do believe that a lot of it comes down to the ability of the teacher. A great teacher will yield great results regardless of whether they are in the public or private system. I also believe that different kids are suited to different schools. There is no school that is objectively best for everyone. My advice would be to look at the schools in your area/that are easy to get to and decide which best suits your child.

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      • marijana

        Thank you Rhiannon for your response.
        Reading your comment I must say, many of the benefits you mentioned that students receive at a private school, are to me basic or standards which I received in my public education. I know it was somewhere else, but that is what makes me think, why don’t we have it here, what is the problem?
        You made a good point saying that it is a lot about the teacher, and the way he/she teaches.
        I am glad that most who commented here, saying although they attended private schools, they’re thankful but still believe that every person should have the opportunity to have a good education.

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      • Kris2040

        Public schools have those expectations too, you know! They’re not exclusive to private schools.

        Maybe if the funding was more equitable, public schools would be able to get all the bells and whistles that private schools have enjoyed?

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        • Kathy W

          Kris, public schools have those expectations – but they’re rarely enforced.
          I have taught at a low socio-economic school where the kids routinely swore at me, flatly refused to work and saw school as a place to catch up with their friends and socialise. No amount of tweaking the curriculum to ‘engage’ them worked and no discipline was effective as they knew they were in control.
          In schools like that the tail wags the dog. They were funded to the eyeballs ($13,000 per student compared with $8000 per student at the Catholic high school across the road) and it made no difference.

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          • Kris2040

            That’s not all public schools, though, Kathy. That’s all I’m saying.

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    • beansbeansthemagicalfruit

      Marijana I could’ve written your post myself! I too have very little understanding of the Australian school system and the little I do know baffles me. And also like you, my child will be starting kindy in another year so if we’re still in Australia at that time I’ll have to get a grip on the whole thing.

      The country I’m from has two choices of schools: public(non religious) and Catholic. Both are free. When you file your tax returns each year you’re asked if you want to designate a portion of your taxes to go to the Catholic system. If you don’t tick the Catholic box then your money just remains in the public school pool as there are more children in that one. That’s how education is funded: taxes and further government contributions. No fees. And although this country is a bit larger in population size than Australia and doesn’t have a private school system, it continually scores near the top of the list on quality of education, literacy and mathematics aptitude, etc. It is also very difficult to get a teaching position because the job is well paid and turnover is minimal.

      Schools are also zoned. Each zone has a public and Catholic school, sometimes two public schools if the zone is larger. But that’s it. You go to the school in your zone. The only way parents can ‘choose’ a school for their child is to actually move house. Beyond the equity of education this provides for all children, in most cases this means that kids go through their entire schooling with the same people to a certain extent. Yes more kids are added to the mix in high school as several primary schools ‘feed into’ the larger high schools. But kids aren’t being separated from their lifelong friends due to the finances of the parents and who can afford what fees and where. To me I think that’s a huge benefit as well.

      When I was pregnant I had various well-meaning friends talk to me about putting my child on a list of some sort so they could attend xxx school. I still don’t understand that. How do you put a child on a list and pay an application fee when you don’t even know their sex, let alone years before they’ll be ready to start school? What if my finances change or my child had special needs that require specialist assistance? It all sounds very New York City Fifth Avenue to me.

      And this isn’t a bash on the Australian system at all. I simply don’t understand it and it makes me worry that I’ll somehow stuff my child up by making the wrong choice when the time comes. Are private schools worth the money because the public system is so broken or are they simply a way to separate the haves from the have nots? Will my child’s education benefit from the private school system or will it actually be worse?

      I wish there was a MM cheat sheet for this but I guess it’s impossible because everyone’s experience will be different.

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      • marijana

        Yes I feel very much like you. I also had similar experiences about people telling me to start thinking about a school, I want my child to attend to, straight after she was born(what? sorry I had other worries at that time).
        And the one with having lifelong friends because they attend the same school from first grade till ninth(9years of school compulsory, the rest is up to you), unless the family moves to another village/city.
        Ah yeah not to mention that it’s free, the only things my parents ever had to pay, was for school excursions and not even the full amount, mostly just a bit for the public transport as it was subsidised by the government.

        I am curious though, which country did you grow up?

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        • beansbeansthemagicalfruit

          I grew up in Canada. For some reason I had assumed that the Australian school system would be very similar but it seems quite different. The city I’m from now has two private schools but you don’t pay fees. They’re only called private because they don’t have the same curriculum as the others. One is a Christian primary school with a much heavier focus on religion than the Catholic schools provide and the other is a high school for Aboriginal students in remote communities. Instead of these students missing out on high school education entirely, they are able to move to my city and attend a school that is particularly aware of the challenges some of these kids face. Plus there are the French immersion schools which are also free.

          The only true private school I remember was located in Toronto and is a boys high school where they live on campus. Very expensive to attend. I’m sure a few more have been added since I’ve left but paying to go to school is a very strange concept to most Canadians I’d imagine.

          And yeah, my parents didn’t really have to pay for much either. I remember bringing home notes from school asking for $2 or whatever to help pay for the bus that would transport us on a field trip. But if a family couldn’t pay the children were still able to attend.

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      • Kris2040

        I think most people here do actually send their kids to the local public or Catholic school. There is definitely more talk about choice than when I was a kid, but I think when it comes down to it, people do tend to just go with their closest school. They’re just not that vocal on the net about it!

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      • Rhiannon

        It is true that for a few private schools (Scotch College in Victoria, for example), demand is just so high that parents do put their child’s names on waiting lists at birth/as soon as they are conceived (and then withdrawing if the child is born a girl I can’t speak for other states, but in Victoria it is not essential to put your child’s name on a waiting list at birth to ensure you get into the private school of your choice. However, the sooner you put their name down the more likely you are to get in. I agree with you though that putting a child’s name down at birth is a little extreme. It ignores all the variables that you mentioned and also that schools do not stay the same. In the X amount of years before you child attends the school could get a new principal who makes changes you don’t like etc. Personally, I think it is better to select a school based on whether you think it suits your child, but I guess some people like to have the option of certain schools.

        In Victoria (again not sure about other states), public high schools are zoned, but private schools are not. I’m not sure if it is impossible to get into a public high school outside your zone but it is very difficult. The public school is obligated to take all students from their zone who apply, and can only take from outside their zone if they have any spare places.

        In the public versus private school debate, there aren’t always clear cut answers as to which one is ‘better’ or whether private schools are worth the extra money. I went to a public primary school and a private high school. I loved my private school and I am very pro-private education. Having said this there are some really good public schools too. With private schools you pay for your child’s peer group (in that all families at the school value education and think it is important). A private school usually has smaller classes, more individual attention, greater resources, and generally higher academic results than a public school. But if, for example, you take a tour of a public school and you love the feel of it and the teachers seem competent and dedicated there is nothing to suggest that your child won’t do well there. I guess not all public schools are the same, nor are all private schools. And neither public nor private is objectively better for everyone. I’m certainly not an expert in this, but as long as you choose a school that you think suits your child, they will probably be fine.

        Try not to worry about making the wrong decision: you can always move schools if you find the one you selected does not suit your child. I can tell by your post that you are interested in your child’s education and therefore I am sure you will not stuff things up. The best recommendation I have is to actually visit the schools in your area or the schools you are interested in. Most schools have some sort of tour system whereby prospective parents (and their children) can look around the school. This helps you get a ‘feel’ for the school, ask the teachers questions etc. I also think that your child’s kindergarten will give out information about primary schools, and likewise primary schools give out information about high schools to help you make sense of everything.

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        • marijana

          that does make very much sense to go on a tour, and I have had this suggested to me. so when the time comes, we will certainly be doing that. and in the meantime keep our eyes and ears open to opinions and informations about the schools in our area.
          Thanks again to your much appreciated and extensive response Rhiannon.

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        • beansbeansthemagicalfruit

          Thank you Rhiannon for your insight and advice. You’ve definitely helped to quell some of the panic I always feel whenever this subject comes up. Truly I appreciate it :)

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        • Kaz

          Zoning is only done if the school is so popular that it needs to restrict student intake to those who live nearby. It can be for both public and catholic schools- catholic usually only taking students from their parish and some only taking students who are baptized.
          Not every school is zoned but most good ones are as they attract a lot of interest.

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    • JosieY

      I have one baby and one kid in prep, so our chool journey is just beginning! However, my kids will/do attend our local public primary school , but will probably attend a private (Anglican) high school. This is because I am a Christian and it is importnat to me that they are schooled surrounded by Scripture, prayer and the specifically Christian values that are important to me. I couldn’t give a toss about facilities and stuff, and I’ve taught at both public and private schools – there are good and bad in every sector, you just have to find a school that suits your family.

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      • Guest

        I have found most Anglican and Christian private schools pay only lip service to religion. I’ve been to Anglican and Uniting Church private schools and at each we went to chapel once a term, there was a reading and hymn at assembly and religious class taught us just generally about all religions in the same way I learnt about religion at a public primary. That was it.

        When I said to mum in surprise that a newspaper article said people often sent their kids to private schools for Christian teaching she answered that was why she did, and didn’t I get that? Not really! I know many kids from different Christian private schools and none of them turned out to have much a Christian influence.

        Not putting down your reasons, they are valid, just pointing out you might not want to take the ‘Christian values’ claim at face value when looking at schools.

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  27. Guest

    The Finnish system is great but I’m not sure we can get there from where we are. It starts with having the very best teachers – it’s incredibly hard to get into teaching in Finland, think medicine or a sandstone law school here but harder, so only the very best can become teachers. Compare this with here, where despite some passionate and committed people teaching, entrance requirements for teaching are among the lowest for any tertiary subject. How do you get from there to where we want to be?

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    • Guest (also)

      The teaching entrance requirements here are pitiful. I had some amazing teachers, and there are some great ones. But I also know a handful of people with crap ATAR’s or low marks in their undergrad degree who went into teaching because what else could they do?

      My uni is supposed to be one of the best uni’s in the country and ranks highly in the world and they don’t specify a cut-off point for entry into post-grad teaching. I know people who get into this supposedly prestigious post-grad course with a 60 average from undergrad and a number of fails on their transcript.

      Teaching should be paid better, respected and a more rigorous standard applied to entry. People with a 55 ATAR should not be able to go to a regional uni and then become a teacher. It is not good enough for the kids they teach and it lets down the profession as a whole. It must be frustrating to those who are high achievers and chose to become teachers to have people have the impression they might have done it because it was a fall back when they struggled to succeed.

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    • DD

      It has taken a long time for the Finnish system to get to where it is now … they started implementing systematic reform in the 1970s. This article explains how the Finns did it quite well: http://www.nea.org/home/40991.htm (Interesting that it’s an American article from 2010 – Why are we still following the Americans when for years some of their most respected academics have been questioning their system and looking to others?) Gonski’s recommendations are a good start!

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  28. laurie

    Sorry Rachel forgot to mention what a lovely story this was despite the mention of Gonski…which always gets my blood boiling anyway

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  29. laurie

    The Gonski Report also advocates a cut to the funding for ‘Private Schools’ which is stupid because there are people like me who don’t earn a fortune who are just trying to give their kids a private school education. If this funding is cut I and many like me won’t be able to afford to do it..If you think the state school system is stressed now just wait…think about that before you urge the government to knee jerk on Gonski

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    • NiceBoulder

      But you have to ask yourself, “Why do I want a private school education for my child?”. If it is purely because you’re seeking a “Christian” environment or education, that is one thing. If it’s because the “quality” or “quantity” of education you perceive that your child would get at a State school then imagine if the Gonski money was coughed up – the quality of education in State schools would equal that which is supposedly offered at private schools.

      The more money that is poured in private schools, the less available for State schools. If you want a private school education then I’m afraid you should be able to pay for it. Why don’t we put that subsidised funding into State schools so that ALL children can access an excellent education – not just those who can “top up” the funding personally and either support or can suffer Christian dogma?

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      • Phoenix

        It’s not always that cut and dried. My son has a moderate to severe hearing impairment. He attended a state primary school with an integrated deaf facility and a total of around 35 deaf students. It was a lovely school, he did well there and we fully intended to send him to a government high school. However, when it came to enrol him, there was no suitable state secondary school option for him i.e. no integrated deaf facility and minimal funding (about $400pa) for a Visiting Teacher of the Deaf (and even then, there were not enough qualified Visiting Teachers). In the end and after a lot of research, we had to enrol him in a private school where we felt he would get sufficient support and individual attention to give him a fighting chance of a decent secondary education. Unfortunately, it’s swings and roundabouts. If our public schools were sufficiently funded, kids like mine with high level needs wouldn’t need to look elsewhere. But what are we supposed to do? Let our kids fall through the cracks while the Government sorts this out? We’re not wealthy, but we’ll go without in order to give our son the best education we can provide when the government either can’t or won’t provide for his special needs.

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        • NiceBoulder

          Look I totally agree. I work closely with Special Ed in state schools and know that if my child was high needs I would always choose private. Dyslexia is a recognized disability yet Ed Qld refuses to attach funding to it. There are also a handful of kids who have other “unfunded” disabilities – ODD, ADHD, mental health issues. In a local private school they have a disability category called “Social/Emotional” disabilities. No such support exists in the State system. But it might, if funding was fairly distributed to the schools who need it most.

          And in some really twisted logic, schools who receive poor NAPLAN results get LESS funding – funding is used as a punishment by the State Government. Throwing money at a problem obviously doesn’t guarantee a result but using funding as a punitive tool makes me sick and sad to be in the state system.

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    • ElleJay

      This is about kids, not their parents.. It’s not a child’s fault they are born into disadvantage… Don’t you think EVERY child has the right to a quality education regardless of their parents values? That is what Gonski is about. Not every child or their parents have a choice as to where they go to school.

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    • Rebecca

      The go ski reports advocates a complete change of funding for private and public schools based on need. Schools will get base funding and then extra for students with special needs or from disadvantaged backgrounds. Therefore, if private schools take in a greater proportion of these students they will get more funding. Some private schools, particularly small catholic schools in low socioeconomic areas already take in a reasonable proportion of these kids and so could benefit from gonski type funding. It’s about making sure all our kids get a fair go to make a better community.

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    • Rachel Power

      Hi Laurie – thanks for your comment. Gonski’s focus is on making sure that funding meets student needs — and currently public schools cater for 80% of kids with high-level needs (learning difficulties, low socio-economic backgrounds etc). But Gonski means a massive extra $5bn more invested in education overall. What parent can argue with that? I think it would be a great shame to let something as important as this general investment get sidelined by the public vs private debate. Garrett has guaranteed that no school will be worse off under Gonski. Educators from the public, private and Catholic sectors support the reforms. I think it’s really only Coalition politicians who have been campaigning against it.

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  30. guest

    My eldest has just started kindy this year. When we got his report we were excited and very proud of him. Then we had our parent teacher interview, we were told ‘there is something wrong with him I’m just not sure what it is’. by his teacher. Our boy can work one on one with the teacher but not in a group situation. The teacher went on to say, he can do it, I just can’t help there are other children in the class.
    I think our education system is failing, it as failed our teacher, she needs more training and I Think help in the class with an aide. We need to put money into the foundation years until children are old enough to be independent learners. The first few years we expect so much from our children. If like our son they are a little behind we don’t want it to snowball into a larger problem that then goes on and costs the larger community.

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    • anon

      My son was like this. He could do the work quite well, but only one to one. Leave him on his own, and nothing got done.

      I got a full paediatric assessment (it will be free if you go through your local Child and Family Centre, or is in NSW at least). i was quite worried about doing this, because I didn’t want him to be “pathologised”.

      But it was the best thing we ever did. He was diagnosed with ADHD, speech delay and anxiety, and with some help, he is now doing much much better. Not that I am saying this will be the case for your child, but it is worth looking into all options, whatever they might be.

      I think it is important to get help before there is a big educational deficit. We did this at the start of year one, and now he is pretty much average in his class. And – the best thing – he’s happier in himself, more confident, and all around more chilled.

      But you are totally right. It makes my blood boil that there isn’t more support and help for children with these special needs. My son’s teachers jobshare, and while I think one of his teachers did some reading and was really eager to help, the other was not overly helpful. I did a lot of research, and advised his teachers what I thought the best things would be to do. Really, ADHD is quite common, so I was quite surprised that these experienced teachers did not have some better strategies for coping with what was really a quite moderate situation.

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      • Guest

        THANKS for your kind words. We saw our GP on the weekend and have made several appointments today. It was just hard to know who to call when she was so vague. fingers crossed he will be ok.

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  31. Haven Maven

    Cant love this article enough. Thanks Rachel.

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  32. Anonymous

    Last week’s prize for Public Architecture went to Ravenswood School for Girls, an expensive North Shore private girls school here in Sydney. They built a new library/admin building for $16 million. $2 million of this came from us taxpayers.

    Surely a more equitable system is necessary to benefit all students.

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  33. ElleJay

    Thank so much for writing this. I am a teacher in a NSW Public school and it breaks mt heart everytime the government strips more money from the education budget, often from programs that support our most vulnerable students. Please continue to tell these stories and do your best to make parents listen. It is you being vocal that will make the difference!

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  34. Guest

    I like the equity approach. I went to a top tier private school. In terms of parental income however ours was on the lower end of private school parents so under the formula of govt money our school got a fair bit (I think that is how it works).

    Now I hear all those arguments about money to private schools keeping fees down and stopping an overload of the govt system. I get that. But. We got millions from the govt and a lot of that money went to building a multi-million dollar music centre. I go past my old school and look at that music centre and think of the govt money and wonder how fair that is?

    It seems to me many private schools are in an arms race in terms of facilities and offerings and I would be interested to see proof that the govt money is going to lower fees and keep people out of govt system – therefore costing more to the govt – rather than being used to simply add more facilities that help justify the price of the school.

    In the nearly ten years since I left school fees for Year 12 went up about 6k. I am not against private schools, just sceptical govt money really does keep fees down and save the govt money through keeping people out of govt schools, as the schools argue every time their funding is threatened.

    It just isn’t right one school should get to put govt money into a music centre while some schools are photocopying books because they don’t have enough.

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    • cher

      This is different from state to state so I can only comment on SA (although I can’t imagine there is too much variation). Basically, when you combine state and federal funding, a student in a public school gets TWICE the governement funding as a student in a private school. So, yes, the government money does keep private school fees down.

      If governments stopped funding private schools or cut it dramatically, then private schools would have massive fee hikes that would force thousands of kids into the public system. I’m very certain the state stystem would not cope with that!

      I’m public school educated (no music, drama or sporting programs) and I teach at a private school so I know the benefits a private school can give. However, this is out of my price range for my kids who are in a state school. They’re doing well but I know what a bit of extra cash could do for them. More funding to public schools is desperately needed.

      What’s that word again? Equity.

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      • NiceBoulder

        Imagine that! More kids in the system, more money from the government, more teachers, more jobs, better “spread” of SES/education background families in the State school system.

        Let’s face it – a lot of the time, private schools are all about societal “streaming”. In a maths class room, for instance, sometimes they “stream” (or use the eduspeak term “ability group”) kids so that the smart ones are all together, the medium ones are all together and the strugglers are all together. This sounds like a great idea in theory – smart kids can be accelerated, strugglers get a slower pace and more support. Sadly, it rarely works below the “top stream”. That level works well for them but at the cost of the two bottow streams. There are no role models to look up to, there little variation in attitudes towards school, and essentially the lowest stream becomes an education ghetto.

        Private schools are like that. More and more parents are sending their kids to private schools becuase they see State school kids as “riff raff”. The see the social/emotional problems that sometimes accompany low SES families (not always), they see the ESL learners, they see the SEU kids, they see the learning support kids and think “I don’t want my child having to compete with all those other needy groups. How about a school where the parents have more money, educational background, more SAHMs, more teacher aides, more support services, more facilities, more internal control over policy” etc. etc.

        If the funding was put into State schools, those things would even out a bit more. There will always be parents who believe that private/excuslive is the only way to properly education your children. Others feel like they’ve been left with little choice in the face of the current State system.

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      • marijana

        just wondering, but what do you mean by ‘no music, drama, sporting programs’? I didn’t go to school in australia, that’s why I am asking.

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        • cher

          I simply meant that I went to a public school that offered very little beyond the basic subjects. There were no music or drama classes nor could one play sport for the school. I’m not sure if this was common in the 80s or if I went to a particularly disadvantaged school.

          My boys certainly have these things at their public primary school so I hope this is the standard these days. If not, it raises some issues of equity from school to school within the government system.

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          • Rebecca

            I went to a disadvantaged school and we had drama, music and after school sports, softball, netball, afl and cricket. I now teach in a public school and we offer drama, choir, basketball, soccer, netball and a range of sapsasa sports. I think your experience was a bit unusual.

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          • marijana

            ah ok, I didn’t know about those differences. thanks for your response.

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      • alyssakt

        I went to public school in Qld and we had music, drama and sporting programs…?

        Meanwhile, our teachers had to buy their own chalk/whiteboard markers… I guess the priorities were a little wacky?

        I don’t like the idea of private schools getting more government funding than public schools – just make it equal.

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        • cher

          Private schools get far less government funding (about half). When you see ads that suggest that private schools get more, it is because they only talk about federal funding. State school are predominantly funded by State governments (hence the name) while private schools get their funding from the federal government.

          When I worked in State schools I found it really frustrating having to supply my own stationery. Most of it went to students who rarely brought a pen to write with let alone a book.

          I agree – more funding needed to public schools.

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      • Rebecca

        It might not necessarily mean a fee hike but that they won’t be able to buy their fancy organ from Germany as was mentioned above.

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      • Guest

        But cher is it compulsory the govt money go to keeping down fees? It seems to me it goes into general coffers and gets spent on things like music centres, halls, a new oval, buying a local property to expand. And then the fees go up. Maybe they would go up even more were it not for the government money but some schools are build multi-million dollar projects with govt money and then using it to justify why the fees have gone up 10k per student per year in the space of a decade.

        I am sure it keeps the fees down a little but I am sceptical that private schools put the government money mostly into reducing fees, as they always argue. I just know of too many private schools building amazing things and having skyrocketing fees. Nearly every top tier private school in Melbourne is acting like this. New everything from govt money and hugely increased fees. The supposed keeping fees down to save the govt system doesn’t appear to be working.

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        • cher

          I can only speak from my personal experience – the 3 private schools I’ve worked at have only had moderate fee rises in the time I’ve been there – the CPI or less. A $10 000 increase across a decade is probably reasonable when you consider it in light of inflation.

          Of course the money goes into the general coffers. Private schools can spend the money any way they like. Most have long term plans (10 years) where they balance educational programs, teaching resources etc against future building projects. They base their spending on the revenue they expect to receive through fees and funding. If a school puts up its fees too much, they will lose enrolments. If government funding suddenly stopped the fees would go up by thousands overnight and schools still have to cover the costs.

          And yes, many private schools do put their money into amazing and expensive facilities. That is one of the things that provides a point of difference among schools – why pay $15 000 per year for a school with basic facilities when you can get that at the local high school? And I can assure you that when parents are paying they demand the best (We have a few classrooms off the tour route where I work because they don’t live up to parent expectations)

          If you want to change the system it will need an entire overhaul with some long term planning. Our current private school system would collapse if federal funding vanished overnight until only the very, very rich would be able to afford it. And the public infrastructure is not there to cope with the influx of ex-private school students.

          More money for the public schools would go a long way to bring equity for students.

          The other thing worth pointing out is that private schools don’t necessarily equal a better education. A good teacher is worth more than all the fancy buildings in the world. My children have had great teachers in their schooling so far, and they’re doing just fine in the public system.

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    • Jules

      I think Guest and I might have gone to the same school. Does it start with a W perchance?

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      • Guest

        Haha no! But this is so common, so I can see why you might think it was your W school. I call it the top tier private schools arms race – who can have the most amazing facilities and thus justify the highest fees.

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        • Jules

          :-) Long shot but you never know!

          It was the specific mention of a multi-million dollar music centre that got me thinking…. I guess there are a few of them around though!

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  35. tanstars

    Funding is one aspect and a very important one but we also need to take our focus OFF data driven results like Naplan, and the US and focus on Finland and other nations that value the child and ensuring ALL kids have a holistic, well-rounded approach to their education that is inquiry and play based – not driven by data.

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    • Ladybug

      The NAPLAN is another issue. My daughter will do well when she needs to sit the exam,, but I am considering boycotting the test. It has nothing to do with educating children or teaching them how to learnit is purely churning out meaningless data that really does not serve our children no society’s best interests.

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    • Anonymous

      Yes education should be about engagement and inquiry, not about standardised tests. Educate the whole child not just the bit that will do well in a test. The only way tests such as NAPLAN will stop is when parents stop thinking they are of ‘real’ value. They are one part of the picture, one very small part.

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  36. Poppy

    The image of the mother crying over her child’s broken glasses is so sad and now all I can think about

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    • K

      If the author is reading this please tell the mother regarding the broken glasses to go to an OPSM store. Each store gets vouchers each year to use at their discretion for people who truly can’t afford glasses – like in this case. I don’t work there anymore so this is not a plug, just know that they would be willing to help this mother out.

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      • S

        K you’re absolutely right about that. I was in a similar situation a few years ago and was given one of these vouchers. Worth a try.

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    • Hazelsmum

      Oh me too! It completely broke my heart.

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      • Rebecca

        Some schools also have a little budget set aside for what they call social justice which can help with excursions, lunches and education related expenses.

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  37. Renee

    Education is the best (only?) way to get people out of poverty. Getting people out of poverty will help all of Australia.
    Why is this so hard for anyone to understand?

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