Imagine never going to school. Never having to wear a uniform or eat pre-packed lunches, never having to cover books in contact or having to carry a suitcase of books every morning . Writer and blogger Kate Fridkis can’t imagine any other way. She writes:
“I didn’t go to preschool. And then I didn’t go to kindergarten. And after that I didn’t go to elementary school. Or middle school. Or high school, even. I was homeschooled.
I say “unschooled”, to differentiate myself from the 80% of homeschoolers who educate at home for religious reasons. And because we never really believed in text books. I was unschooled, and I felt really lucky.
People always ask me, “Which one of your parents taught you?”
That’s still the way everyone thinks about learning. There’s a teacher and a bunch of students. There’s an adult who knows more, and some kids who know less. And the adult stands there and tells the kids things. And the kids learn.
Neither one of my parents taught me, and, of course, they both did. Just as everyone’s parents teach them things about being alive. And skills for navigating the world. And to cover their mouths when they yawn. I learned how fun it is to sit and gossip for hours from my dad. From my mom, I learned the value of occasional ritualistic formality (requesting that everyone share something they’d like to improve about the world at a holiday gathering. Or having the gathering in the first place).
I learned how to make wildly creative sandwiches. I learned how to write thank-you notes. But most of the “Can you tell me what six times seven is” type of instruction stopped when I was twelve or so. After that, my mother’s role in my education was more like that of a guidance counselor. I checked in with her. We worked on various curricula that I mostly didn’t follow, because I had so many other books I wanted to read, and so many of my own, critically time-sensitive projects to complete.
People stopped me constantly, along the way, to ask me what my family did for lab. How did we get the equipment? It would’ve been a lot easier if I could’ve just said, “We don’t. We don’t do lab.” I mean, we looked at strands of our hair through a microscope and read biology books, so I probably could’ve, but I felt like the world might not be ready. So I said things about auditing college classes and local community-based opportunities.
You know, the community science lab, where little unschoolers can clock in all the hours they need with a genuine cow’s eyeball and a scalpel. There was a homeschooling resources catalogue that sold cows’ eyes. I said absolutely not. Absolutely, absolutely not. Mom thought it might be fun. She thought everything might be fun.
People stopped me to ask about socialization. That’s the big one. Can you talk to other people? Do you have friends? How weird are you? (Educated guess, their expressions said: probably pretty weird.) I especially loved it when they asked me if I could talk to other people when I had already been talking to them for fifteen minutes.
Here’s the good and bad news: I’m sort of normal. I spent a lot of time when I was younger pretending to be exceptional. It felt like the only way to justify my abnormal upbringing. I put on a show for every adult in sight, trying to prove that unschoolers weren’t just socially capable, we were all geniuses.
College was not something it occurred to me to care terribly about. I already had this complete life. I was working, teaching regularly, writing terrible fantasy novels, and writing music. I didn’t have any interest in picking a single career path, and I didn’t see the point in sitting in a classroom, after all those years of avoiding just that.
But I went. It was almost as though my parents weren’t sure what happened at eighteen, other than college. They’d enabled me to come this far, on my own, but there was no question about me joining the schooled world eventually.
In college, I learned how to be bored for the first time. I know I’m supposed to talk about how enlightening the experience was. College always opens the world up for everyone. That’s practically its tagline: College: Opening Up The World.
I guess my world was too open already. I learned how stressful being good at something was. You have to stay ahead constantly. I learned how to doodle. Before then, I’d painted and sketched. But now I was doodling endless circles and swirls and stacks of bricks in the margins of notebook after notebook. And I forgot how to think that I could do more than one thing. I forgot how to be a homeschooler. And after a while, when I realized that, I missed it.
When they find out that I was unschooled, people ask me, “Did you like it?”
It’s such a simple question. Like, so, you had a forty-year career as a statistician. Did you like it? You walked on the moon, did you like it?
But then, some things are a lot simpler than they should be. When I asked my mom why she decided to unschool my brothers and I, she said, “I liked being around you.” People expect a massive critique of society, which she can also do, when she feels like it. But underneath that is something much more straightforward.
I think that people want homeschooling/unschooling to be incredibly complicated because school has become incredibly complicated. Education has become a messy, chaotic topic that we, as a nation, can’t stop talking about. “Waiting for Superman”, budget cuts, teen suicides, charter schools, healthier school lunches, colleges flooded with applications, student debt, student loans that go forever, elite preschools, KIPP, abstinence only sex ed, gay kids at prom, no child left behind, teachers’ unions, rubber rooms, standardized testing, teacher suicides, cutting music and art classes, where it all is going, what we might be able to do, whether we should do it, and if it really works at all.
And then there are the people who drop out. The people who don’t start in the first place. People like me. We’re still a tiny minority — about 3% of the population, according to some studies (the exact numbers are never really clear). But we have a lot to say about education. And even when we don’t say anything at all, our lives speak for us.
When people ask if I liked it, I always say yes. Of course I liked it! I got to sleep until ten! What’s not to like? I didn’t get graded! I didn’t take any standardized tests before the SAT. I didn’t ever have to raise my hand. I wore ridiculous outfits, and no one told me they were ridiculous. I thought I was beautiful. I learned about things just because I was interested in them. Everyone should try it!
I, for one, am planning on unschooling my own kids if/when I have them.
It’s not a simple world. Not everyone who wants to has the economic ability to homeschool, especially not with very young children. And sometimes, when I’m being very mature and serious, or moping, or feeling insecure, or feeling like a total realist, I think that it’s not clear to me exactly what parts of myself I gained from school (college, grad school) and what I gained from unschooling. It’s all mixed together now.
I do know though, with completely certainty, that I liked myself a lot more as an unschooler. I thought I had more potential. I thought I could do anything, and I was excited about it. Maybe learning that you can’t do anything is just a part of growing up. But maybe it’s not. Maybe it’s a part of being schooled.”
Would you homeschool if you had the option? Could you? How did you feel about your own schooling experience?









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I love the Montessori approach – student directed learning, with the “teacher” as the guide. Teaching the child to be independent, confident and a self starter. Learning from their peers and individual focus on their weaknesses. My concern for mainstream is too many kids getting lost in the system…large classroom numbers all staring at a blackboard.
Part of the Montessori style resonates in ‘good/successful’ home schooling.
So why not the best of both worlds?
Home school
+ tutoring (eg maths, science or french)
+ social groups (sports)
I dont want to leave my childs education solely up to an outside source. We are teaching her everyday.
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I homeschooled my three eldest children for five years. Just a note – if homeschooling has religious conotations, I think unschooling has definite political ones, but thats just my two cents worth.
It is the most wonderful and difficult thing I’ve ever done in my life. It’s probably what I’m most proud of having undertaken. It’s not for everyone, and no one should feel bad if they have no desire to, but those who feel they might like to try should not believe they can’t. I only finished year 10 myself, and didn’t find it hard academically at all. You must legally register with the board of studies. I’ve never been one for following the rules.
For the record, of my three who were homeschooled (I have four altogether) the eldest is just entering Uni to study to be an art teacher after having already finished a hairdressing apprenticeship – he’s 22. My second eldest went to school in year 3 reading at a year 7 level – he’s 18 and about to go into the army after having worked since he was 16. My daughter went to school in year 2 and left at the end of year 9 to complete year 10 at TAFE, which she did. She’s 16 and working. And our youngest has always been in school.
Not sending your children to school is in no way a ‘first-world issue” as some have stated. Education is an issue in every society no matter how developed. The best education available to a child is not always the one offered in an institution, and the worst is not necessarily the one had without one. Socialisation is the most misunderstood and over-rated aspect often focussed on when it comes to criticism of homeschooling. It was never an issue for us.
What it gave my children was a definite sense of their place as citizens, family members and as part of their community, which did cause problems when they went back to being in a classroom of 30 people all with the same birth year and post code. They found life out the other side of school different than their peers did, who pined for their friends and couldn’t stand the company of their own parents. They are typical teenagers on the whole though. It hasn’t fixed any of the typical teenage problems though it certainly helped us avoid the ones related to peer pressure and lack of ability to think independently. They can sure do that.
We homeschooled because we wanted to be the one who knew our kids better than anyone else, and it did that for us; bonded us together as a family and taught them to entertain and teach themselves. But our youngest is ten and at school now, and he is just as bright an independent as they ever were. So there you go
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i love the little public school my kids go to. the teachers are so dedicated and kind. i feel really happy leaving my kids with them each day.
i am not sure how i would feel if i didn’t have access to that. i think if we were really isolated or overseas or something i would home-school.
it is interesting though, the idea of un-schooling, is a classic first world issue, and most likely middle to upper class issue. i can imagine that family services would have something to say about that in some families, particularly lower socio-economic families, there it would probably be called ‘neglect’.
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We were a working class family who gave our children a private education on a very low income by homeschooling. You clearly know too little about it to comment on it. In no way can homeschooling without a high level income be considered neglect. I find parents who send their children off to school with absolutely no idea who is teaching them what in a classroom for five hours a day, five days a week, year after year, without ever showing the slightest bit of interest in how their child spends their time or socialises with to be neglectful. It all depends how you look at it I guess.
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Just because rainbow has a different opinion than the one you hold on this subject doesn’t mean they “clearly know too little about it to comment”.
That’s the one thing I truly hate about this site – unless you know every single detail or fact about a particular subject being discussed you’re deemed to not be able to hold an opinion on it.
I call bollocks to that.
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I believe rainbow was saying that family services might call it neglect in that instance. They didn’t actually say that they thought it was neglectful, but rather were raising an interesting thought/point.
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i dont think rainbow was saying all lower socio eco families that homeschool are neglectful but there are plenty of lower SE families that are not remotely interested in education, home or formal and it is up to the kid to motivate themselves to get the education – that is the most tragic of all stories i feel.
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jo, you totally missed my point. i never suggested, nor ever would that “homeschooling without a high level income be considered neglect”. that would go against everything i believe. i don’t believe what you earn determines your ability to be a better parent.
to clarify:
1. i was referring to un-schooling not home-schooling, from what i know the two are very different. friends who home school follow a curriculum, attend events with other home-school families etc.
2. the point i was trying to make was regarding a family from an unprivileged background. i am referring to the sort of family that may have a fair bit to do with DOCS for example. imagine if their parents tried to say they were “un-schooling”. i think the authorities might disagree. i am also not suggesting that is right.
3. i am very familiar with who teaches my children and who they socialise with. i am also believe that children need to develop independence slowly but surely. my kids have been at home with me up until school so i know they are keen to enter the world. our school is a little community, that was my original point, if i didn’t have access to a school such as mine, i might consider home-schooling myself.
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Just wanted to add another viewpoint……
I work with children with learning disabilities and other developmental issues.
Not in all cases but quite often it is the teacher that picks up on these issues. And the parents take a while to come round/don’t believe it/don’t want to believe it.
I wonder if some of these issues would go unnoticed if the child is homeschooled by parents with “blinkers on”??
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I have the opposite problem my 5yr old twin boys have global developmental delay and the so called professionals don’t have a clue , they either expect way too much or treat the boys as total vegetables . One of the boys is about 18mths as far as development goes and has no boundaries or awareness of anything other than his own needs and wants ,he is a danger to his brother as he thinks hurting him is funny , he is not malicious just unaware and yet because he wants and needs 24hr attention and thrives on it he is much easier to handle because he wants constant adoration and will do anything he is asked to do like a robot , however he does not retain information and seeks only to please teachers etc and they assume he is a great deal more able than he is . Will probably end up home schooling both children because the education system in this country is sadly failing my children . Please do not assume that parents are always unaware of the needs ,abilities and problems of our children often we are the only ones who know the full story.
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I do not agree at all… I was and still am an educational advisor, where I asses children in their maths skills all the time…..I provide families with opportunities to enrol into our program…
It saddens me each and every time we asses a child and they only receive 10% of the questions correct. They are usually behind a couple of years… However their reports often say they are average. Some say still developing, which is not conducive at all, because what does that mean? Parents really do not know where their child is at… This is not only sad but a very deep concern for me…
Teachers are struggling to meet the needs of every single child in the classroom. Many times, children go under the radar and parents have no idea on just how far behind their child is..
Parents need to take their child’s education into their own hands, regardless if they go to mainstream, steiner or are homeschooled… A teacher cannot possibly meet the needs of every child… In fact, we are always hearing in the media, just how poor our children’s literacy and numeracy skills are.
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I have the opposite problem. My son has just started year 2 in Qld and is really struggling. His reading is on the same level as most of the children starting year 1. He is becoming more and more frustrated with himself. All through prep and year 1 he loved going to school, never asked for a day off. This year he is beginning to notice how far behind he is and it is affecting his self esteem. He makes a fuss most mornings about not wanting to go to school. He was assessed last year and we were told they think he has something similar to dsylexia (sp?) but not dsylexia. He gets about half and hours extra help with reading 3 times a week and that is it. I worry that he is going to get further and further behind. His teacher made a point of telling us it is not an intelligence problem (they gave him an IQ test) or an attitude problem (he is very keen to learn). Personally I think he just doesn’t fit with the system. He needs to learn in a different way and at a different pace. I guess the school doesn’t have the resources to help him. They have been great with identifying a problem but that is as far as it goes. After that the help is very minimal.
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I struggled with reading BIG time….But I am now finishing my psyc degree… Please dont worry…Just be proactive… It usually has nothing to do with intelligence, it has everything to do with missing some sort of link or having a blockage…It is all fixable
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thankyou! that does make me feel better.
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The only thing I would object to if someone were to homeschool (and am prepared to be flamed for this) is that if it means the family is supported by welfare – ie the single parents pension or the dole or whatever.
By all means homeschool, however don’t expect the taxpayer to fund your lifestyle choice.
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What if the single parent was a stay at home parent anyway? What’s the difference where their child is educated?
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Again, if the parent is a SAHP by way of the state funding that lifestyle choice, same thing. Why should the taxpayer fund that choice?
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As a taxpayer, I would be more than willing for my tax dollars to go towards a single parent staying at home with their kids if that is what they feel is in the best interests of their child. I think we should fund that choice, because we never know when it could be us in that position.
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True. many kids get so bullied in schools that it would be in their best interests to be homeschooled.
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I agree with hear mum roar, especially given with school fees and child care taken into account, the family might actually be better off financially on the dismal amount they would receive through welfare.
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Also, I’d like to ask you something. I know of a blogger who has a 3 year old and a 1 year old. Her hubby just committed suicide in front of her and her child, a month ago. She has severe grief and post traumatic stress disorder. Do you seriously think she shouldn’t be supported by the government, or that she has made single parenting or being a stay at home parent a lifestyle choice?
Sure, she started out as a SAHM, but I think it’d be cruel to force her to work at a time like this.
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Forcing a single parent back into the workforce could add a lot of complications to a family unit that is already under pressure. Why cant we support single parents to make the choice that they feel is in the best interests of them and their children? The vast majority of single parent families are doing their absolute best. I know kids who go to tax payer funded care facilities so their parents can go to long boozy lunches rather than pick them up from school when the bell rings. Thats their choice too. But thats considered ok because the parents arent on welfare?
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The taxpayer funds the education system, so it’s really just a matter of distribution…
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I think it is really dangerous when we think we can have a say in how others live and the choices they make because we are ‘taxpayers’.
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When will people understand that you live in a society governed by a set of rules. Included in theses rules is the understanding that everyone who has a job has to pay tax. This tax is not voluntary and no one gets a say in where it is used or how it is used. Making grand statements like yours just shows ignorance and is a sad reflection on your own inability to understand that when you live in a society, you contribute to that society by way of taxes. You should be grateful that you earn enough money to be able to contribute to the society of which you belong. Over half the worlds population don’t earn enough money to feed themselves or their families each day. Stop thinking of everything in terms of how it affects and impacts you and start thinking about the world around you. There are no right or wrong ways to school your children, just different choices. Rejoice in our countries wonderful differences.
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When I hear of someone ‘voluntarily’ being on the dole it makes me happy.
A certain proportion of people will always be unemployed. That is the way our economy works.
If people take time out to write a cookbook, teach their kids or whatever then that means that there is one more job or chance at a job available out there. And how awesome that someone can be on the dole and not feel depressed to the point of suicide over it. Being on the dole can be demeaning and demoralising in the extreme(unfortunately I speak from experience).
I feel differently about 3rd generations welfare recipients, but that is a whole other kettle of fish.
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My fiance conmes from a rural area where a lot of kids are home schooled. Before leaving Australia he did a community theatre production that a lot of them were in. Most were bright kids and very well read, but he found that a lot of them were waaaaaay behind in science and maths. Many of their parents were hippies so the kids were all opposed to global warming- but they couldn`t have explained most of the science behind it.
There was also one girl in the theatre production who had been homeschooled which worried him more than most. Her mother had drawn up a curriculum plan and submitted it to the state department of education for approval (as most states in Australia demand if you are going to home school) however the department rejected it as insufficient and told the mother she either had to improve the curriculum or send her daughter to school. The mother did neither, so technically now this girl doesn`t even have a primary school education.
Would I home school? No. I didn`t study any science beyond year ten and only did General maths for the HSC, so I couldn`t teach those subjects at all. And what if they wanted to learn a language like French or Italian or something, that I don`t know at all? Plus, I`d want my kid to be able to hang out with their friends every day and get into the habit of having a routine. So no home schooling for my future kids.
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Oh my! The resources available to ‘teach’ science or another language (and anything else for that matter) abound! A simple ‘google’ for science lessons/videos/experiments/explanations will throw up enough pages to educate one far better than the average high school science student. If one didn’t trust the plethora of information on the internet there are any number of science/maths/english text books and work books also available (from, to name just two examples, the RIC Group or Singapore Maths). These books are available online and are neatly organised in year/class sections to make the choosing simple.
There are an abundance of free language courses available also. Just pick a language and you can learn to read, write and speak it as you wish. I know people who have had their children learn French by spending their Saturday mornings with a woman who spoke only French to them while they were there. The little chidren were fluent in French in no time an the parents had to try to catch up! If learning a new language is desired, the inability of the parent to speak that language should pose no problem.
As Kate Fridkis pointed out, so many have this idea of education requiring one person standing out in front of, and imparting all the knowledge to, the passive student. That shouldn’t be what education and learning is all about. Sure, we can seek information and help from those more knowledgeable but haven’t we all learned many things on our own – and often, perhaps due to our increased interest level and our required input, have had a greater understanding of the subject? What is wrong with the parent and the child learning a language together e.g.?
I can’t speak for the hippy community you mention, but I could tell stories of children educated in ‘mainstream school’ who have left their primary school years (and some, even their high school years!) without simple reading, writing and arithmetic skills, let alone science or LOTE skills.
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First of all, google translate is not a qualified language teacher. It isn’t even a qualified translator. It’s a computer program, and computer programs are notoriously bad at teaching something as organic, complex, and fluid as a language.
I cannot disagree more with online language learning that is not supplemented by facetime with a qualified teacher and/or native speaker. You may very well be able to pick out a language and learn to read, write or speak it as you wish- and the most likely result is that you’ll end up reading, writing and speaking gibberish. For example, the Japanese for ‘hello’ is Konnichi wa. Simple right? Except when it isn’t- when the person you’re speaking to decides to use Koncha, Konchassu, or whatever the hell is the word for hello in their own regional dialect.
Or perhaps the personal pronoun for ‘I’- watashi. Ostensibly, you’d be listening for it when someone is introducing themselves, right?. Unless they’re a man or boy and use ‘boku’, or perhaps they favour ‘attai’ or ‘atashi’ or ‘ore’ depending on the mood they’re in. These are just two words- ‘I’ and ‘hello’ in one language that are subject to multiple variations, all with their own distinct nuance. Languages are littered with verb irregularities, grammatical inconsistencies and all manner of other things that a computer, or a textbook for that matter, simply can’t keep up with.
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I think you haven’t read Julie’s reply properly, she doesn’t mention google translator at all. She does however suggest using google to find science lessons and experiments.
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Actually on LOTE I think I am finding myself in agreement with Ms Butlertron. I studied Japanese through Open High School (my local high school didn’t offer it) for the HSC – I had been studying it through them for several years. I also went on to study Japanese at Uni (a course that didn’t require any Japanese language skills to enrol), There is a big difference between what you can learn online, or through distance ed, and the understanding that you get of a language by being around native speakers. I actually don’t think you can really consider yourself fluent in a language unless at one point you have lived in very close contact with a native speaker and have used it very often. Until you have had that opportunity (which I still haven’t had due to circumstances stopping me from going to Japan after Uni) then you really aren’t fluent at a language – I wish I spoke Japanese better, and I have studied it for a long time!
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“A simple ‘google’ for science lessons/videos/experiments/explanations will throw up enough pages to educate one far better than the average high school science student”
Oh dear god. There is so much wrong with this that I can’t even begin. So entrusting kids to formal education = bad, but entrusting them to google education = good?
“so many have this idea of education requiring one person standing out in front of, and imparting all the knowledge to, the passive student. That shouldn’t be what education and learning is all about”
“Passive” isn’t a word our teachers would have used to describe us. This is only one view of what education is or should be, but it doesn’t cover my experience or that of many (or even most) others who went through formal education. Do you really think that interaction doesn’t happen in that set-up – between teacher & student, & between students?
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Can anyone home school their children? Do you have to be approved by the Education Department? There must be a formal process to go through because isn’t not sending your school aged child to school illegal under normal circumstances. Not that I’m going to home school, I’m just interested in what needs to be undertaken in order to do it. I thought maybe the parents had to be teachers.
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In NSW, once they’re six, you have to register, be approved, etc
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You have to submit a curriculum plan to your state or territories Department of Education and have them look it over.
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I homeschooled our 4 kids in NSW for many years after finding the local school didn’t meet their needs.Not all homeschoolers are quite as laid back as Kate’s family or the hippie community Mrs Butlertron mentions above. I drew up an extensive curriculum, wrote their exams etc and kept detailed records (and no, I’m not a teacher). The government originally sent an inspector out to us every 2 years then offered us paper renewals because our standards were consistently high.
We had a routine that we followed daily – ie school generally started at a set time but we finished hours earlier because without the distractions of assemblies and changing classrooms etc the kids got through the work that much quicker.
It’s a bit of a misconception that there is no social interaction. Our kids became closer friends than they would have had they attended school (and been in different grades). They also played with the neighbourhood kids and we were members of a homeschooling group that came together for sports and swimming carnivals, social activities, theatre and science experiments.
Would I do it again? You bet, it was a wonderful experience and my kids have scored fantastic jobs due to their work ethic, maturity and, ironically, good social skills. (-:
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Kate, I agree that there is probably a misconception about the social aspect of home schooling, I liken it to the argument against single sex schools that girls will come out not being able to talk to boys and vice versa which is silly and not true. The schooling part is only one aspect of our lives and of course home schooled children don’t live in a bubble with no interaction.
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That’s a really good comparison Claire. Mentioning the seggregation in private schools (and how it doesn’t hold back the students who attend them) helps people who haven’t homeschooled understand how socialisation works.
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Im interested to know why you feel that the local school did not meet their needs, what do you think was lacking ?
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The curriculum was very very basic and we realised that our daughter was way ahead of it. (eg she knew all the colours in the rainbow when they were only planning to teach kids red, yellow and blue. And she could count to 40 at age 4 and they were teaching 5 year olds to count to ten). I realised that the school did not meet her needs as she would have gotten bored quickly since she was already past these levels.
Worse, they still expected kids to have a daily sleep (at school!) – which came as a nasty shock to my active daughter. Further, they unnecessarily controlled what order foods in the lunchbox could be eaten. My daughter was punished for eating her apple before her sandwich – what a crime (rolls eyes). I prefer my kids to be able to think for themselves and choose what order they eat their healthy lunch in.
The final straw was the compulsory swimming carnival (held on a saturday on a bitterly cold day with biting winds in a chilly area of Australia!)I refused to send her as she had a nasty cold, she was told she would receive a fail grade despite the medical reasons and the fact that it wasn’t a school day. We chose a better option rather than stand by and tolerate such ridiculousness.
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I should add that it never occurred to us to homeschool up until that point. But we were really dissatisfied with the school and thought ‘there must be a better way.’ Since it was the only school for 40 kms, homeschooling really was our only option. We intended it to be a short term option until we moved but it worked so well for us that we continued even when other schools were available.
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You’d hope they needed to be teachers and have some specific skills to speak of but no, they don’t have to be.
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I hate the word ‘unschooling’ with a passion – seriously, you’re going to define what you do with a negative? The most important thing is that it’s not the education system? This is not a nitpick, it’s about the basis of what you’re trying to achieve and where you are heading, and most of what I’ve seen about it is based on misunderstanding of the education system.
‘Student-centred or student-led learning’ on the other hand, is positive and tells you what is important. It also has an extensive literature and is practiced to a greater or lesser extent by many teachers. How much depends on lots of different things including style, experience, the class, system requirements, funding etc. I personally love student-led learning and do a lot of it both with my classes (yes, I’m a teacher) and with my children. And sometimes (even a lot of the time?) parents do it with their kids and it’s fantastic.
Why is it an either/or? Do your kids really stop learning when they leave school? Surely we are all home educators?
I certainly consider myself a home educator, but at the same time I’ve chosen to start my daughter at school. It gives her different experiences, different adults and different world views that wouldn’t be possible for me alone to provide. I know there are networks in other places but not where I live. Plus we both do much better with a break from each other.
But there is also another reason, expertise. As a specialist teacher, I know how much other people don’t know about science. So obviously there are a lot of things I don’t know about all sorts of subject areas. I couldn’t even help my children learn about them for themselves, because I don’t even know they are there to learn. You can’t travel to the stars if you’ve never realised they are there. I don’t expect that all teachers my children have will be fantastic – there are good and bad teachers just like everything else. But they have a greater chance of getting expert teachers in the education system than out of it.
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I have to agree with you about the term un schooling. I’m not a fan of the term or the philosophy personally, but each to their own. As Kate shows, it worked well for her, so even though it wouldn’t be my approach, sometimes if it’s a fit for a certain family, it’s a success
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Yes, in case I wasn’t clear it’s the name I object to. I like a lot of the actual strategies, which are basically student-led, but I think there are problems with the name. And that makes me wonder about the understanding and philosophy of people using that name.
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I agree with your comment. The term easily incites criticism and really doesn’t explain what is going on.
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“So obviously there are a lot of things I don’t know about all sorts of subject areas. I couldn’t even help my children learn about them for themselves, because I don’t even know they are there to learn.”
This reminds me of how I felt when I first started uni. I was awestruck and humbled by the first and probably most valuable lesson it taught me: how much there was to learn.
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“There are good and bad teachers just like everything else.”
I agree, and I think an important lesson people need to learn is to cope with different levels of competency, and to motivate themselves. I had a teacher last year whom I found to be incredibly lacking in many areas – she didn’t know the course material, rarely set work, and what work was set was rarely marked. I had to motivate myself, and look to the other subject teacher to ensure I was up with the other classes in the school, and the state. I continually set myself extra work, and got that teacher to mark it. Learning to deal with different people of different skill sets, and to take control of your own learning is an important yet rarely acknowledged aspect to education.
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I really admire the parents that home school…BUT I would go mad…
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Oh I totally agree. I think the people who do it are fabulous and wish I were more like them, but sadly its not for me at all!
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Interesting BUT for crying out loud!
Vaccinate your kids…..
send them to school…..
tell them ‘no’ when they’re wrong….
let them resolve their own small issues with other kids…..
BE NORMAL.
Too many people R trying 2 be different for different’s sake only IMO.
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What is NORMAL??
Close-minded and judgemental would appear to be the answer if your post is anything to go by.
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AnonRiteNow… are YOU normal?
And who would be the judge of that?
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Annnnd Normal is??? – Boring/Expected/Mainstream/Unimaginitive/Not always necessary – IMO
Clearly I disagree – people want to be different because these days there is just too many resources and too many options to have to be stuck being ‘normal’.
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So if normal is vaccinating your kids – where does that leave someone like me whose eldest nearly died from the vaccination and who was advised not to vaccinate the rest? Should I have risked their lives to satisfy your narrow-minded view of normal?
FYI the closest definition of normal that is available is any behaviour that is broadly accepted in a group of society. Since there are groups of society who homeschool their kids and don’t vaccinate them, they are normal just as the people who vaccinate their kids and send them to school are normal.
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Are you saying homeschoolers are non vaccinators are non-disciplinarians are social-pacifists….etc? I think you’re making some fairly broad generalisations here. Not to mention ambiguous connections. Just because someone homeschools doesn’t mean they subscribe to the classic hippie alternative lifestyle. Many are very conservative.
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Love your post.
Come on everybody, she wasn’t be too serious with the “normal” thing. Take in in context.
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Agree. Remember everyone, your child is unique- just like all the other children.
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If all the non-vaccinators are indeed home schoolers then I guess I’d actually be happy for their kids to stay at home, and therefore as far the hell away from my kids as humanly possible.
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But your kids would be vaccinated, so why would it worry you?
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Herd immunity. Most vaccines can’t actually guarantee a 100% immunity rate, so there’s always a slight chance that your child can catch a disease even if they’ve been vaccinated against it. When you have a group of kids who have all been vaccinated, the immunity level of the group remains high. But when you have a group of kids whom only some of have been vaccinated, the immunity of the group goes down and your kids chance of catching something increases.
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Not only is Ms Butlertron correct, nothing is perfect, there are people who cannot be vaccinated. People with cancer or other medical problems deserve to be protected too.
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my two homeschooled kids are fully vaccinated.
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Your Mum sounds AWESOME. I wish I could home school, I’ve thought about it, but being a single Mum its not really viable. Plus I think I’d go a bit nuts- some people are cut out for it and I’m probably not one of them!
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My fondest memories of school are having fun with my friends at lunchtime and on the train on the way home. So obviously the school bit wasnt the highlight, but the friends, who I still see regularly, were the best part. Because of that I would never want to deny my kids the opportunity to have similar experiences. I think school is just as important as a place to nurture their independence by allowing them the space to be their own people away from their parents. And also for them to respect authority from an adult and trust another adult other than their mum and dad.
People who home school their kids must be very special people!
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I know a lady who has five kids (aged 2 to 10) AND who is pregnant with no.6 who homeschools all five. And loves it. And thinks everyone should do it.
She has a classroom set up at home. Btw, she is not a trained teacher. But she is a devout Christian and wants more kids (more than 6, yes). All I can say is good lordy me!!!
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Yikes.
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there’s a woman like this who comes into my work….she has 6 kids under 10 though! And they all look and dress the same, it’s VERY freaky
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Uh oh. I can feel a over-population, unbearable arrogance of christian justified procreation rant coming on…
Trying so hard to stop
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It sounds like the Duggers place. Michelle Dugger must have the patience of a saint. I am in awe of anyone who chooses to homeschool.
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Seriously? Do you Want me to rant?!
Those guys do my fucking head right in.
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Oh I could never home school my children. Obviously Kate’s family had the ability that I sorely lack! All for it if you can, I just can’t. My children are still only young yet, but I already know that our kinder teacher was such a brilliant influence in their lives. By the way she let them be, and learn and express themselves, while still learning to sit and listen to a story, or to each other speaking.
My children’s prep teacher was fabulous with just the right balance of motherly tenderness and firm hand I’d wish. Very pleased with our local state school overall.
The school curriculum, while perhaps a little too focused on academia over artistic is fun – or so my children tell me. My oldest (8) tells me day after day that they did no work today, only played games – she has no idea that these fun times are teaching her! I wish my school days had been like that
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As a state school teacher (relief teacher these days – not typing this at work!) I would just like to say how nice it is to read a comment from a parent who is appreciative of the effort put in by her child’s teachers. Thank you
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Lisa, I am in awe of all the good teachers out there – as I mentioned it’s not something I feel I could do for my three children, let alone a full class full with all their little personalities and needs. I’ve not been disappointed with any of the teachers I’ve come across in the few years my littlies have been in ‘the system’. I see how much the teachers care and I have an idea how poorly they are paid, I am grateful so many teachers stick with it!
Slightly off topic, but I would love to see more balance in men and women teaching in primary school.
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Me too. Not because I think men make better teachers but I think it’s great to have a diverse staff in all ways. Ideally I’d like to see a range of cultures, levels of experience, and age groups as well as both genders being equally represented on school staffs. There are more young men doing teaching course these days, although the bulk of them end up in secondary schools.
Teachers are beginning to be paid more appropriate wages these days. (Thank goodness – when I started the pay was pretty pitiful!)
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The diversity you speak of is one of the reasons that I choose the education system over home schooling. I love my kids to be exposed to a divesity of teachers, with different strengths, passions and attitudes, some of which I may disagree with, but that to me is part of education. I also think it is great that they learn to mix with a diverse range of children, some from different countries or a different socio-economic group. Home schooling is too narrow for me and often about control as much as education.
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And schools are not about control ??
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Hi Melissa,
Schools are about controlling and regulating behaviour, and I have no problem with that. There is no one person, however, acting as a gatekeeper as to what attitudes, subjects and topics are taught and discussed. That is the form of control that troubles me.
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I too am in awe of my children’s teachers. Teaching methods have changed so much since I was at school and teachers seem very aware of the different ways children learn now and take that into account with each child (well they do at our school anyway). My son goes to a reggio emilia kindergarten which is fantastic (based on an Italian model, and is very child directed). I am constantly amazed at the rich and varied experiences they take part in and I take my hat off to the teachers. Whatever they are getting paid it’s not enough!
I also wish there were more male teachers at primary level.
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Raise the salary and more men will do it.
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Julian Assange was home schooled, or unschooled. Just saying
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and do you realize that he has been assessed as having a very high IQ. Clearly main stream schooling was not for him and good on his Mum for recognizing that he suited a different type of learning to sitting in a classroom. All kids are unique and mainstream teaching is not the best option for all kids.
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Julian Assange wasn’t home schooled full-time. He went to 36 schools and for a short time studied via correspondence. The number of schools was due to being part of a theatre family and later being on the run from an abusive step-father.
Whatever you think of Wikileaks, you only need to hear Assange speak to realize he’s a ridiculously intelligent, well-read individual. His breadth of knowledge is quite astounding.
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I’m in my final year of highschool, and I think there are things I learnt from school that I couldn’t have learned at home. How to share with others, how to be patient and wait your turn to get the teacher’s attention, how to interact with people who have a powerful position, how to sit through classes I hated, or cope with teachers I didn’t like, how to motivate myself to do extra work, when classes are moving too slowly. Sometimes I wonder what it would be like to have a personalised class, where I wasn’t consistently creating extra work for myself, and bugging teachers to do extra marking for me, but ultimately I think that the process of motivating myself and the independence gained from that is important too.
Also, as much as I disdain maths and science, I think the opportunity that schools offer you for specialised classes and teachers, that allow you a wide range of subject matter and experiences is important. If my mum were to teach me, I’d know nothing about maths or science, but I’d be a genius in regard to revolutionary history and our legal system. As it is, my suubjects this year are history, legal studies, literature and english, but I do value the opportunity I had before specialising to get a good basis in science and maths, which my mother couldn’t offer me.
I’m all for live and let live – if you want to homeschool, that’s fine. I’m just saying that in my experience, the education system has worked wonders for me. And nothing stopped my parents from teaching me things outside of school – my mother is my greatest asset for VCE this year, and without my father I would never have passed year 12 maths last year. I have great memories of making crystals, paintings, building bird feeders and making volcanos and goop when I was a kid. Being a part of the education system does not exclude parents from having those experiences with their children.
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Great comment, Leah. Best of luck for your final year.
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I homeschooled my eldest daughter for a little while when she was an only child. I have only positive things to say about it. She’s now in a public school, and loving that too.
Homeschooling isn’t for everyone, but if done well, can be wonderful for the child
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That is awesome Hear Mum Roar
I have only known a couple of people who have done it and to be honest, I don’t know then that well…
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Yeah:) I only did it for a short while, unfortunately, but it was an amazing experience
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Can I ask why you chose to home school her? Definitely no rudeness intended, just interested.
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At the time, we believed it was the best option for her.
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Why would I send my kids to a school that had no trained teachers and no opportunities for them to meet new people and form friendships?
Isn’t homeschool exactly this?
I’m not a trained educator. I would never therefore presume I had the skills to undertake something as important as teaching a child his or her essential literacy and numeracy skills.
I don’t really understand what the motivations for shunning the school system are in a world where access to free education is a right denied to so many.
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No, homeschooling provides plenty of opportunities for meeting new people and forming friendships. Probably more than mainstream schooling, really.
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What about the abilities and training of the person doing the educating?
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I think that’s where homeschooling and mainstream schooling differs. With homeschooling, it’s not so much about teaching to a child, it’s about teaching them how to teach themselves, in a way. Providing them with educational opportunities.
Homeschooling parents bring many different skills and training to the table, just like any ordinary parent. All parents teach their children everyday whether they mean to or not, whether they homeschool or not. Homeschool is a much different approach to mainstream schooling. It’s not for everyone, but there are many homeschoolers doing a great job with their kids, and some doing a crappy job. Much like the teachers at school. You get good ones, and some shockers
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For me personally, I don’t care that much how many ‘qaulifications’ a teacher has, or how trained they are. In some ways I think the more trained they are, the more rigid and limiting their thinking and ways of approaching life/problems are. I wuld value a rich life experience and strong sense of ethics/morals and spirituality as the qualities I would want in a teacher.
As a former homeschooling mum, we created lots of opportunities for socialising/relationships, with people of all ages. Finally, do you really think that any child in this society would be likely to grow up not knowing how to read/write. Or, do you really think that a homeschooling mum would let that happen?
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I guess I’d be concerned about whether the untrained homeschooler had the ability to assess how well their children were doing academically or socially.
I think teachers go through years of university education for a reason. I’d want to be taught by someone who had a high level of skill in the subjects they were teaching me and who knew how to teach them.
I don’t want to disrespect anyone’s choices as I’m sure all parents want to do the best for their kids, but surely these are legitimate and important questions?
Why would teaching courses exist if there wasn’t a skill and talent to being an educator that needed to be possessed or acquired to be able to do the job?
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When I was talking to someone about homeschoolers. They said the same things as you Alice. All I can say is that teachers are not taught how to teach. They are taught a whole bunch of theories and academia and then given the curriculum to work it all out…So many times a teacher is asked to teach a a subject they were not trained in too.
I do not think it would take a genius to figure it out to be honest… I can see how much fun it would be… But, I am not convinced it is best for most children. You would have to play it by ear and see what is best for your individual child
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Teaching courses exists for parents who want to send their kids to school. Doesn’t make it the only option for an education.
Different homeschooling parents would answer that question about measuring a child’s ability differently. I personally, had resources I’d bought to check she was on track. Also, although I’m not a trained teacher, I am a qualified child care worker, so knew what to look for in terms of child development. I think each parent homeschooler would gauge these things differently.
When my daughter and I were part of a homeschool social group, I was blown away by what some of the teens were achieving. Veterinary science, phds, some of these kids were doing things that many of the knockers would dream of being capable of doing! For me personally, with my child, my best measure was that if my daughter continued to have a passion for learning, an inquiring mind and a willingness to do her best, then she’d be fine.
When she started at her public school, she was very far ahead of what her class was learning. Not that that was a goal, we don’t homeschool for competitive reasons, of course. But we found homeschooling to be a highly concentrated learning environment, and she really responded to it well.
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I can see what you are saying but why do parents need a ‘professional’ to tell them how their child is doing academically? For me, I just talk to my kids and get involved in what they are doing.
My 7 year old can’t read properly yet but he is starting to sound out words. He is learning in an environment free of pressure. In the public system he would be classified as way behind but I can see he is almost there. If I relied on the trained ‘teacher’ he would have probably been dragged through remedial classes and had all the love of reading knocked out of him (as has happened to my nephew). It seems to me that school is a system of fairly arbitrary standards that don’t pertain much to how children actually develop.
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Najla – I am a teacher and yes, we are taught how to teach. To start with we do a subject called ‘Quality Teaching’ – which is just that.
We also do massive blocks of practicums. Where we go into schools, are mentored by experienced teachers and we are ‘taught to teach’. We are assessed and graded on these practicums and if we fail this…we fail our whole degree.
Just so you know….
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Thanks for pointing that out Kathy
… The reason I said this is because I have worked with teachers for years and all have said the same thing… “We learn a whole bunch of theory, do a little prac and off we go”… From my understanding, you receive the curriculum and you must create your own lesson plan for everything…Then once you start working ,not all experienced teachers are happy to help and some have a tendency to keep guard of their lessons plans. I have heard from many that it is hard to get help too…
So, if someone wanted to homeschool, I can certainly see how this could be done effectively if they were proactive in their own learning.
I am doing a psyc degree, and we have to study for 6 years and that includes supervised work…I can see why my teacher friends say why they are not really taught to teach in a 3 year degree… Anyway, just rattling off what I was told…
I know for me, I will be sending my child to mainstream, however, I am not leaving my sons education in the hands of his teachers. I am confident I can learn anything given to me..So many kids fall behind for a reason. I will be educating myself so that I can help my children too.
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Hear Mum Roar, I am very doubtful that homeschooling provides opportunities to meet a RANGE of people from a range of backgrounds, nationalities with a RANGE of skills and abilities.
I am very doubtful homeschooling provides children access to children they don’t like and/or feel uncomfortable around, children who excel at something they do not, children who struggle with tasks.
School does. These are very important and formative experiences.
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Really, Kate? Why is that? Because when we were homeschooling, my child was exposed to all of that.
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Also, now we’ve moved to a remote town, the public school my daughter goes to has no diversity racially or culturally whatsoever. So really, public schools or even privates can’t guarantee that your child will be exposed to that diversity. I think that’s more related to where you live. For example, when we were homeschooling, we lived in Sydney. Our town was diverse, our homeschooling social group was extremely diverse.
It wouldn’t matter now whether I homeschooled or public schooled my kids. They won’t get the diversity at the moment either way, lol! I’m thinking we should plan a trip to Sydney again one of these days lol
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There are networks of homeschoolers (is that a word?) where the kids have an opportunity to interact with other kids. The homeschooled children I know are very social and can talk to anyone because they have had more experience socialising with people of different ages whereas at school you generally stick to your own age group.
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I think the point a lot of people here are trying to make about the socialisation aspect of school is that it is a place where you encounter a wide range of people with various beliefs, backgrounds, ages, intellects and abilities.
In other words, it exposes you to difference, with all the challenges and rewards and life experience that brings.
Given such a small a minority of people homeschool, wouldn’t social interaction with other homeschooled kids therefore be a fairly limited social experience?
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There’s actually more people homeschooling than you’d think. My Mum is on the Central Coast and the group up there meet quite often. I’m not sure of the numbers but Mum said she thought it was abut 100 (one of her friends home schools her kids so they talk about it). And just because they are home schooled doesn’t mean they don’t have varied beliefs, backgrounds, ages, etc… actually I think its probably more diverse. Plus they go to ballet, soccer, all the usual things other kids do and socialise there as well.
I don’t intend to home school, but having met some kids who are, I was surprised by how intelligent, social and well rounded they are. So I think if its done well it can actually be very beneficial.
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Alice, you’re spouting all the usual arguments against homeschooling all of which have been repeatedly and successfully proven untrue.
A little research on your part would make a huge difference to your point of view.
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A parent is a childs first and best qualified teacher. Any trained teacher or educator worth their salt will tell you that. It doesnt take a degree, you just have to give a damn and be prepared to learn as well.
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I’m sorry Jo, but whilst that sounds like a lovely saying, how can an unqualified person with no background in education (not you personally, I’m talking a general untrained homeschooler) claim they are in a position to promise or measure educational outcomes?
All the love of a parent won’t matter if that parent’s (or school teacher’s) literacy, numeracy, scientific and historical knowledge, or their teaching methods, aren’t up to scratch.
If they are, fantastic. While I mean no disrespect, I just think it’s a bit misleading to simply say “all you need is love”.
I believe you need skills and training.
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You’ll note I didn’t actually say “all you need is love”. What I said was you need 1) to want to do it (to give a damn) 2) to be prepared to learn as well. there’s nothing airy fairy about that. If you are prepared to do research, read books and bite off more than you can chew on a regular basis, you can homeschool. In my opinion. Because that was the case for me.
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I agree. I’d add to that, how many kids are there in our schools who are slipping through the cracks before anyone figures out just how far behind they are? Some schools don’t pick up if a child is behind, or get onto it quickly enough, especially if it’s an overcrowded school. At my child’s last school, there were kids getting as far as 2nd grade, unable to read. It was only with the parents begging to be considered for remedial reading, that they got any semblance of help. It was a hard program to get into, because there were so many kids in need of it
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I was agreeing with Jo, by the way:)
Alice, a degree is great, I have no qualms there. But what about if you get a teacher who doesn’t give a damn? That’s pretty detrimental to a kid’s education too. Thankfully, those teachers are few, but they still exist.
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Agreed HearMumRoar….as I said in a previous remark, not every education gained in an institution is the best one a child can have, and not every education gained outside of one is the compromise.
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Hear Mum Roar, I think it goes with out saying that an uninterested or incompetent teacher will be inadequate, be they in the school system or not.
This is exactly the point I’m trying to make about the risks I feel are inherent in an unqualified homeschooler being responsible for something as crucial as a child’s eduaction.
I question the standard of education and socialisation homeschool can provide, even from the most dedicated parent. And I would prefer to hear assessmentf of its effectiveness from people somewhat more objective than those practising it.
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A friend of mine who is a teacher said she had seen studies that showed children fared better home schooled in the lower years of school, but the gap closed once they got to about 10 and then children did better in a formal “standard” type of school after that and into the senior years of school.
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I’m sorry but going to a real school teaches you so much more than stuff in books.
Imagine we were all taught by our parents…how would we be exposed to differing views and opinions? how would we become excepting of other cultures and beliefs?
I often have heated debates with my parents over politics etc and this would not happen if they had solely raised and educated me as I would just share their views.How boring!!!
I hated school at the time but thank God my parents wanted me to learn about difference.
It takes a village to raise a child after all
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Hun, your ignorance is showing. “real school?” have you even read the above comments re: home schooling groups and activities? When done with the Childs best interests, home schooling exposes them to many different people, ideas, and beliefs and instills the ability in the individual to choose what they believe and become passionate about. Each child is different though, what ‘works’ for one might not benefit the next.
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Oh, and “stuff in books?”
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Anon, homeschoolers don’t just learn from books, they also learn in a very hands on way. A young child might learn about fractions from a book, but also by working first hand from a recipe,as they bake a cake.
As for the village idea, what makes you think homeschoolers don’t have their own village?
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A school is not a village. A classroom is not a village. A classroom is a group of people all with the same birthyear and postcode. How does that represent diversity? How does that imitate a village?
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it represents a group of people that the parents haven’t chosen. That kids have to get along with. Unlike the homeschooling network?
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Homeschooled children butt up against society and the real world every day. Children in school spend five hours a day five days a week locked in a microcosm of sorts. They will be spending their entire adult life in society, not in a microcosm. I understand entirely what your point is, but I disagree, having homeschooled three and seen their ability to assimilate with the world around them as they transitioned from childhood to adulthood.
It has the opposite effect you imagine, trust me.
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Maybe I’ve been biased by the homeschoolers I’ve met? Who haven’t been that well socialized or well educated. I suppose the great flaw in homeschooling is the parents. If you’re well balanced, open-minded and educated, then I guess your children will be well-educated and exposed to different people. But if you’re not, your children might suffer(whereas if you send them to school, they’ll at least have a chance) And if you’re downright abusive, the chances of others picking it up are lessened (not saying that you are AT ALL!)
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Hannah, I agree with you on this point
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Hannah, if they chose that school, that’s about the same level of choosing that goes into the homeschooling social groups. Do you think the homeschool social groups have children handpicked by us?? It’s just like school, you get who you get! LOL. And likewise, kids are thrown in together.
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Oh lord. I’m happy for Kate, honestly. But any child of mine who was unschooled would be left to a curriculum of Spongebob Squarepants and Supermarket 101.
I adore my kids, truly. But 19 hours per day with them is enough.
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Mine would also get a very thorough education in buying shoes they can’t afford and don’t need.
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I have to agree with you Kate..These mothers are so dedicated and as much as I love my son, I still want my own life lol…But, I really am open to their ideas and find it lovely and interesting too
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Loved your article so interesting and thought provoking.
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Mainstream schooling within my state offers very little for my son who has aspergers. Now that we have a national curriculum homeschooling is an easier option (prior to this you had to hook into a NSW or Victorian network I believe).
However, I am loathe to pull him our of school. How blessed we are to have this wonderful education available to all children. I am so passionate about how great the Australian education system is I don’t even want to privately school my kids. It’s an almost universal experience where they meet kids of all different backgrounds.
This isn’t to say you can’t do this from home or in private school, but i always felt public schooling offered you so much. I will be very sad when a place opens up at the private school for him – but glad that he will be attending more than two days a week!
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I wish I had been home schooled. As far as I’m concerned every minute I spent in class was a waste. All I learnt there was how to stifle my curiosity and how to be mediocre. School was just an annoying distraction. My education occurred at home anyway.
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I agree.
Every acadmeic thing I learnt from school, I could have taught myself from reading a book. Actually, I probably could have taught myself more as classes were always run to cater for the students who got C’s and D’s and those of us who achieved higher were generally left to our own devices.
Add on top of that, the horrendous bullying I put up with for 6 years. I wish I’d been taught at home in a place where I could nurture my creativity, not hide it for fear of being bashed for being weird.
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I’m sure both of my kids learned the same as you.
The eldest was almost a year older than her classmates. She was so bored because she had to wait another 12 months before she could start. In Qld, you have to turn 5 before you can start. School starts at end January, 2 weeks later she turns 5. She learned to read before she started, told me grade 1 was boring and didn’t make much effort beyond doing exactly what she had to do. Never finished grade 12.
Oddly enough, the second one was the same. She too could read before grade 1, was interested in maths and algebra in grade 2, learned to be dumb in grade 6 because she was so far ahead of the other kids in her new school, and never hauled herself back to her potential. And failed grade 12.
Wish I’d been able to ‘unschool’ them…
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OMG guys…Thank you so much for your openess…
I really do think we need to stay on top of everything that is going on for our children… I cannot think of anything worse than struggling to understand everything that goes on… Parents must take their children education into their own hands, regardless of they are homeschooled or not
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I’d happily home school. I love teaching my kids things, seeing the wonder on their face, enjoy the understanding as they finally get something.
But I would feel very selfish if I did it. I would be depriving them of the opportunity to have some really wonderful teachers come into their lives. Yes, I know there’ll be some duds, but the great ones could open their eyes and minds in ways that I can’t even begin to imagine.
I don’t think the socialisation is a big deal, but they could be missing out on the opportunity to make some very special friends. My two closest friends are from school, 30 years ago, and I don’t want to take away the possibility that my three kids will meet similar soul mates just so that I can keep them at home with me.
Will need to remind myself of this when my oldest starts for the first time in May.
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Homeschooling doesn’t mean that your children never enter the company of other people, there are masses and masses of homeschooling groups, social, educational, sporting and arts based.
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Exactly. That’s why I don’t think the socialisation aspect is such a big deal.
But most (by no means all) friendships between children arise from shared experiences between like-minded individuals that they see frequently.
ie Going to school every day with twenty other kids in their class and maybe sixty in their year group alone will give them a greater chance of finding special mates.
If I lived somewhere where there were say, only twenty kids in the whole school, maybe I would let myself keep them at home….
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We moved to QLD for 2 years and unschooled our kids – then 9, 5, and 1. We did not register as homeschoolers, we just flew under the radar and wen I say unschooled, it means we never opened any book that resembled a textbook or anything educational.
We read books together for pleasure, we did lots of craft and creative projects that we could actually spend a good amount of time on. We had our own rhythm and it ws great. We went for a long walk everyday and went to the beach heaps. After a while we went fruit picking and lived in a tent for 4 months and travelled around. It was a challenging time but also a wonderful time and I am so thankful my kids got a time in their childhood where they could just play lego all day, spend hours at the beach exploring and just be kids.
Ultimately having kids 4 years apart made it hard, too hard for me to meet everyone’s needs at such different stages. Now they go to a steiner school – totally non-comptetitive, no grades, very community-oriented and wholistic, and it is great. We have met many homeschoolers and I did observe that 90% of them did it due to some issues the parents had – a bad time themselves or their fears about what ‘could’ happen. The other 10% – obvious that homeschooling was perfect for all of them. Sometimes I still wish we did it, but ultimately I know that our little steiner school and community is giving them and me much more than what I could alone.
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I want to add that when my kids went back to school – they were not behind at all. Somehow they learnt enough in the ‘school of life’, and they learnt so much about different ways to live and practical skills. What I have wanted most of all is for my kids to experience a love of learning and to be engaged in learning – so far they have. We have no plans to send them to regular publc school or to do the HSC.
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Ditto – our children also went back to school, when I had a breakdown and couldn’t properly care for them full time. I felt terribly guilty for using school as a babysitter, I still feel that the children learn more at home. I still think about taking them back out of school…
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wow….That sounds lovely…. I think you are so right when you say that the parents had other motives…. We need to consider these things in light of what the child wants in combination of what the child needs.. I would imagine that some children who are homeschooled/unschooled were not happy with the situation either.
I wonder???
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You are so right – it should be about what is best for the child/family.I have seen families where it is obvious the child would flourish if went to school or had the chance to develop their own lives a little separate from mum. I loved the time I had with my kids but it became obvious my eldest was getting bored/frustrated and I knew he would develop intellectually faster than the rate at which I could provide challenges for him. My kids were really shy so the steiner system is perfect for them – an attchment and personal relationship with the teacher is encouraged, and he has the same teacher till grade 8.
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Yes, and when home schooled children are unhappy with the situation, most parents will try to remedy the problem, either by changing the type of home schooling the child does, increasing their social opportunities, creating new learning opportunities and sometimes, sending them to school.
Home schooling parents aren’t fanatics who ignore their own children’s best interests.
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I know two people who changed to the public school system after attending Steiner schools. Neither could read. It sounds like it’s working for your family which is great but it doesn’t appear to work for all kids unfortunately.
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Nothing works for everyone.
Homeschooling will work for some and not other, whilst ‘regular’ schooling can be good for some and not others. I know kids who leave school practically illiterate. As a teacher/librarian I find it very distressing indeed!
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I agree redballon, I have always found it odd that parents will automatically send siblings to the same school as older brothers or sisters without taking the time to investigate if that particular school will actually suit the individual child. Each child is different and everyone learns differently so it only makes sense to find schools that cater to each Childs differences.
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That is a common belief about Steiner schools, that the kids don’t learn to read. This is totally untrue!!! They just learn in a different way. By the time they are in Class 4 (which in Steiner schools is the year they turn 10) they are reading at the same level as other children of the same age.
My children have been Steiner schooled since pre-school, the oldest is now 12 and is an avid reader. My younger child is in class 3 and has started bringing home his ‘first readers’, which would be about the level of “Green Eggs and Ham”, and he is reading these fluently.
I am not interested in whose children can read the earliest, the fastest or the longest. I am interested in my children learning a love of reading and of learning, both of which they get at their Steiner School, and a whole lot more!
Choosing a Steiner education for my children is the best decision my husband and I could have made.
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I went to Steiner primary school. I learnt to read extremely well but there were a couple of learning disabilities that weren’t picked up and helped early enough. One of my friends is still very bitter about that.
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My daughter had a Steiner education, she is an avid reader. Her primary school education was exemplary. What I really love about Steiner is the self discipline it encourages in children.
My daughter decided she wanted to leave in year ten and pursue the Tert preparation certificate as an entry to university.
Being exposed to longer classes from an early age and being encouraged to complete tasks was so beneficial for her time at TAFE. She coped a lot better than many others in her class (and she was the youngest by at least 5 years).
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I just found three grammatical errors on the Steiner Education Australia website.
I also learned their educational philosophy is to acquire “a knowledge of the spiritual worlds underlying outer existence – higher worlds”.
Hmmm.
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Steiner education is a completely different educational method to home education. Commenting on it in the context of this discussion seems irrelevant to me.
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Its a discussion of alternative methods to mainstream schooling. Advocates of Steiner have mentioned it so it’s fair to respond and put things in perspective.
Conversations like this naturally go on such tangents and broaden their scope . I think it’s interesting!
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I unschooled my children for a while. It was fantastic. They’re unfortunately in school now and doing well, but missing out on alot of learning which is sad. However they’re social lives are amazing!
I would do it again in a heatbeat and it is highly probable that I will.
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Sorry but if you think “they’re” and “their” are interchangeable then I really doubt your ability to home school your children.
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I wasn’t home-schooled but I have flirted with the idea for my own daughter. She is only two at the moment, and we live near a perfectly good primary school, but there is something alluring about the idea of it.
I’ve spoken with various people about it, and they are mostly horrified – all that darn socialisation she will never, ever get if we home-school. I think people tend to equate home-schooling with solitary confinement, which is almost offensive to me. If we were to home-school, I would be all the more aware of the importance of giving her social experiences.
I’m always interested to hear of how other people made the choice to home-school and then how they deal with criticisms?
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Me too…
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It is hard when people criticize, especially when you are trying to unschool yourself as well. I used to keep things as private as possible, and would answer with very vague comments when people challenged. Until you have to confidence to get into an educated argument about it I think it is no one else’s business. Homeschooling has a long history and maybe it would help to look up famous/accomplished homeschoolers. Albert Einstein himself spoke out against institutionalised school!
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Albert Einstein went to school in the 1880s and 90s. I don’t think his criticism can be applied to today’s schools.
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My friend home schooled her two children, she is a high school maths teacher. I’ve never asked her why she didn’t send them to school as the proof has always been in the kids themselves.
There is a very good homeschool network in NSW who go on excursions etc so the socialising thing isn’t really an issue ( though a lot of homeschoolers nowadays are doing it for religious reasons and tend to not want to mix as much)
These children were both in the SBS youth orchestra and toured the world, played sport locally and one represented NSW in ice skating.
They have both gone on to university, one has graduated, winning the university medal and the other is just finishing a law/international studies degree. She speaks three languages.
Their work ethic and tenacity is amazing, I’m privileged to know them and they have been an inspiration to my children.
I don’t think I would have had the patience to do it myself but I think those that do and who take it on with gusto can produce very productive members of society.
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Your friend has obviously done an amazing job. If it’s done like this it can be fantastic. Unfortunately I don’t think this is the case most of the time (in my experience anyway).
I also think there’s something to be said for teachers doing it. I saw a friend who homeschools correcting her childs spelling the other day and was telling her the wrong thing.
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Oh yeah I totally agree. My kids would know all about spelling and would be barely able to add up!
She found that the things she wasn’t great with there was always someone in the network that could pick up the slack.
By the end of their time though she did notice a difference in the make up of the homeschoolers, a lot more doing it to isolate the kids from the world and it’s evil secular ways.
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Yeah – I really don’t get that. I’m a Christian and I want my kids to live like Jesus. He didn’t isolate himself from the rest of the world, he was a part of it. Why wouldn’t we want to be the same? How weird to grow up only knowing Christians, going to church and socialising with other Christians. Not healthy at all IMO.
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Precisely, to paraphrase: Love one another as I have loved you, by this shall all men know that you are my disciples.
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I think your story is wonderful, but I do take issue with one bit, that religious people don’t want their children to mix. My partner was homeschooled from about year 7 by his Christian parents (due to him and his sister being in danger of falling behind in the mainstream system) and part of the reason that homeschooling works so well for religious people is that the kids get out and socialise with their church groups on a regular basis. I know that’s a somewhat self selecting group, but it is remarkably diverse.
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Considering it…especially if my son’s 3rd grade teacher keeps referring to me as “a nice little mummy”. Yes, other adults do exist in this world and no, we don’t all like being called mummy’s.
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Why don’t you tell her that, gently and politely?
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It’s not really the point, but out of interest, why don’t you like being called Mummy?
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She isn`t a mother to the person calling her mummy, in this instance.
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I think the issue is with ‘nice little’.
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I really admire any parent who chooses to homeschool their children. Personally, it’s not for me. I am not sure how much my children would actually do for me if I schooled them at home. There are things they will happily do for their teachers but flat-out refuse to do for me at home. I send my kids to school so that the teachers can teach them the three Rs, I spend time outside school hours teaching them everything I know. I don’t rely solely on the teachers as some teachers are better than others, so I keep my head in the classroom often enough to know what’s going on, but not too often to make a nuisance of myself.
I am also not sure I could spend 24/7 with my kids – one of us might die
Don’t get me wrong – I love my kids dearly, but I love them even more when they come home after they’ve been at school for the day.
I can certainly see how homeschooling could work extremely well for children who don’t fit the average mould. Children who need extra help or those who need to be extended. Our classroom system doesn’t cater for those outside the square easily.
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For my kids, the idea of staying home all day every day, with me, is their worst nightmare. Mine too.
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Ditto on both counts Kate. Ella loves her friends and Giant Steps I couldn’t do without for Aidan. Ella loves coming home and giving me all the playground goss, showing me what she learned in violin and her artwork. I just think school is too important for both of them.
My brother has chosen to unschool and it has caused a huge division in my family of teachers. All 3 of his boys are unschooled and have been for years. Unfortunately their curriculum consists of Wii, computer games and tv. I understand that some parents work really hard at actually teaching their kids but my brother and his wife do nothing. Unbelievably the kids don’t even know how the dishwasher works! they are 18, 16 and 12. Very sad.
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I have friends who want to “unschool” because of the reason above – i like having my kids at home, or based on fear or their own anxiety.
Maybe this type of education is good for some people but I would think not for the majority of the population. School teaches children so many life lessons – how to get on with people you don’t like, being exposed to different peoples passions. If I kept my kids at home they’d be great readers but crap at maths or science because I’m not interested. But what if they get a hold of a teachers passion with maths and become the worlds greatest mathemetician. I would be doing them a diservice keeping them at home. An extreme example I know, but you get my drift.
As a teacher I think structure and routine are very important in learning. Children like and need boundaries and they respond well to them. I have a problem with schools that let children do maths when they feel like it. Personally, I would never have done a sum in my life if that were the case.
I think unschooling can be done really well (on a big property with the whole family committed), but 9 times out of 10 in my experience it is not a great experience at all. One of my friends gives her child worksheets all day!
At the end of the day we can’t all be writers and live how we want to live. We all need to fit into the real world. Sure that’s boring and not hip to say, but it is reality.
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And btw, education doesn’t end when the bell rings. You can still teach your child about creative sandwiches or sit and talk with your parents for hours after school and on weekends.
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I know! I thought the same thing – nothing stopping any parent from doing that with their kids, whether schooled or not.
“If I kept my kids at home they’d be great readers but crap at maths or science because I’m not interested”
This is a good point, about being limited to the interests/skills of one or two people.
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Never have done maths in your life? Really? Without going to school you would never have wanted to shop or cook or know how far something was, how long, how much?
Homeschooling is not equivalent to keeping your children at home, it’s just keeping them out of school. There’s a whole world outside of schools and it’s all there just waiting to be learnt about.
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People who lack formal education often have numeracy problems. I’m not saying the same would happen with home schooling, just that wanting “to shop or cook or know how far something was, how long, how much” doesn’t automatically give you the skills.
And then of course there is the question of more advanced maths subjects, the kind a child would need as preparation for a career in architecture, accountancy, engineering etc.
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Apparently people who go to school lack these skill too. According to the media, there is a national crisis on just how badly our kids are doing…
I am in disbelief each time I asses children for maths that they struggle. The parents are unaware of this and it seems that teachers are unaware too….
I believe in school, but I do not think it is for all children. We need to at least be open to that. Things are not always black and white..
Anyway, I do not believe life is all about being brilliant at school. Some of the greatest business people could not read and write. HOWEVER, I am a BIG believer that when we are good at something it provides us with a sense of efficacy and certainly being good at school is a wonderful opportunity for our children to explore and experience this…:)…So, we need to take our children’s education into our own hands regardless if they are homeschooled or not.
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there’s also a whole world of maths outside of shopping and cooking. It might be a good way to help a five year old understand basic numeracy, but its no way to teach maths – and yes, maths does need to be taught.
Too many people have this idea that everything learnt at school has to be directly ‘useful’ in the ‘real world’. a lot of stuff we learn at school, particularly maths, is all just about exercising your brain. simple (and effective) as that.
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I think homeschooling can be good but it depends alot on the child. A shy retiring type or one with a learning disability may need more resources then homeschooling provides. The author is concerned about the boundaries set by schools which I find interesting. Doesn’t everyone need to learn about boundaries and limitations?
School for me was no fun as I am dyslexic. But having said that I completed high school and have 3 degrees. I am very grateful for the support I received from some very dedicated teachers.
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I have bene considering education a bit lately, as I need to enrol my daughter for prep next year.
I have always had a little bit of a fascination with homeschooling, and (without knowing much about the practicalities) have to admit I like the idea. Who better to teach you (one on one mind!) than the people who care most about you in the world? Who better than the people who care so deeply about the person you will become, who want to help shape you, and bring out the best of your natural compassion, spark, humour and questioning mind? Who better than people who know there is more to learn about the world than algebra. (Which by the way, my teacher lied about… I have never, ever needed it in my adult life. Not once since passing my Year 10 exam in it. So there.)
Having said that, I loved my school experience (especially primary). My daughter has the chance to be a 5th generation student at the school I too went to, which is still a pretty small school in the Gold Coast hinterland, but has developed a very good reputation. I loved the kids, the lunchtime games, the idol-worship you develop of your first teacher (luckily, she was worthy of it!).
I also think it’s important that children learn from others, not just their parents, that they learn different people have different views, and that that’s okay. They learn how to hear a few different points of view, and learn how to take those and form their own views and opinions. Of course, these people need not be school teachers in the literal sense – grandparents, family, friends etc. could all fit the bill.
So, I guess that’s a really long way of saying I’m on the fence.
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I bet you do use algebra, but just don’t realise it. Smarty pants alert please
2 packets of pasta for $5
2a = 5
a = $2.50
Ooops accidentally used algebra.
OMG, where did this come from. Please don’t ridicule me.
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Ha ha! But you’re right. We use all this stuff a lot more than we think we do.
But praise the Lord for unit pricing at the supermarket now!
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lol – smarty pants!!
Perhaps I might owe Mr Whatshisface an apology – but I did think that was more division? Fractions and percentages I get – my 3year old already knows 50% off at Myer means half off!! lol
Oh God, what have I become…. :/
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if you spell “been” as “bene” like you did above maybe it isn’t a good idea to homeschool
im assuming that was just a typo 
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lol… yep, skool it is then!
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I think *somebody* in the chain has to have gone to school – if it wasn’t Kate, then I’m fairly her parents did. So this unschooling does depend on schooling.
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haha! thanks for this article, Kate! I was also “unschooled” from the time I was 8 yrs old until Year 12. My parents felt it was best, given the “failing” education system.
We used a school system from the USA (A.C.E.), so we were graded, had tests etc. Some of my siblings took to it naturally (one of my sisters and myself), but my younger brother and sister hated it and chose to do less rather than more.
As always, there were the usual socialisation questions, but we never had issues – we had friends of all ages – our parents’ friends were often friends with us as well.
I did enjoy it, I did work hard and put the effort in, but I have to say that I have felt a bit stunted later on in life when it came to tertiary courses – I feel like my homeschooling didn’t prepare me for things like studying and essays. I have no idea how to do them, and essays terrify me to this day (which also frustrates me because there are courses I would love to do for my own self-fulfillment)!
I admire those who do a good job of homeschooling their children, but I have also seen a lot of uneducated (but extremely opinionated) homeschoolers around and wonder if a bit of mainstream education might not have a positive effect on them and possibly even enriched their lives more.
I won’t be homeschooling my boys – I don’t think I would do it justice – but I also don’t blame my parents for the choice they made – they thought they were doing what was best for us, and that is every parents’ responsibility!
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Ok, so maybe “unschooled” is the wrong term for my education – we had a curriculum, with set work every day. For those children who are motivated and disciplined, it can be a great system – I LOVED English (technical, nitty gritty grammar) and History the best, and would spend hours reading – another important part of education.
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I was glad to read your comment. whenever I meet/hear of anyone who was homeschooled, they always smile and say ‘it was great! loved it! nothing wrong with it!’
I’m always a little bit suspicious… when I was in year 7 I had this extreme yearning to go to an american high school just like in the movies – to have a locker, wear no uniform, do cheerleading and carry my books in my arms rather than a backpack. I can’t imagine how much worse it would have been if I didn’t even go to school! don’t homeschooled kids ever get jealous of kids at school?
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I really don’t agree with the idea of ‘unschooling.’ To each their own, but for me school was the best and worst of times. I wouldn’t trade having been at school, properly educated in a wide area of areas and then gone on to uni. personally, i think parents who homeschool their children are denying them the opportunity to live and learn in the real world. children can’t stay home together, it’s just delaying the inevitable and i’m sure that there are cases where home schooled children struggle in the working environment. going from no structure in your day, to structure would be difficult.
i agree with love love..the idea of homeschooling seems very selfish to me and not at all the best thing for a child.
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I completely understand where you are coming from…However, can you see that so many people struggle in the workplace?
So many kids struggle with socialization? So many kids struggle with learning? Most went to school.
I am really open about this. I have many reservations about the philosphy too. As, one lady wrote that children need boundaries and guidelines, and this is not part of the unschoolers philosophy…
It is important to understand the distinction between homeshoolers and unschollers. They are very different philosophies. Homeschoolers stick to a strict curriculum. Whilst unschoolers allow their child to guide them on what to pursue. This is where I have reservations.
I am more inclined to send my children to mainstreams schools as I loved school. But, I am still open to meeting my child’s needs. As we cannot say the school system can meet everychild’s need. Again, for the majority the system would be fine, but I can see that for a few, it can be disastrous too.
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I just don’t agree with the argument that because kids one day will have to live in the ‘real world’ that we should expose them to all that it encompasses when they are still kids. Part of what homeschooling is about is letting the child develop and grow into themselves in a way that is free from competitiveness and other labels/restrictions etc.. – things that occur in school. By letting the child grow in this way and become strong in themselves makes them often better equipped to deal with situations as adults, beacuse they are not so insecure or as attached to things ‘society’ values hat may not be that healthy.
Incidentally, experiencing a life that does not involve school is still ‘real life’, just a different one. Homeschooling or even unschooling does not mean there is no structure or boundaries, they are just of a different kind and often the structure is determined by the child, so they grow up being able to regulate themselves. This also preserves their interest and enthusiasm for learning.
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I appreciate the benefits of home schooling, I was writing my comment in response to the article. My interpretation of it was that the author was allowed to whatever she wanted rather than have a set education by her parents. it reminded me of in pride and prejudice where elizabeth says to lady catherine (in response to her shock that they had no governess) that the sisters were allowed to be as busy or idle as they chose. i am more concerned at the authors feeling that she was not prepared for college life. there are some home schooled people who now attend uni and are in my course and they do not mingle and struggle with the structure, particularly due dates for assignments. this is not to say all home schooled people are like that, perhaps what i’ve seen is a minority but its enough to persuade me that i am ultimately against home schooling and will not home school my own (future) children. i appreciate all points made however and am willing to learn more about the topic
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I have heard about unschooling and the philosophy’s sound wonderful
I think we need to keep an open mind. I however have reservations. One of them being that as much as I love my son, I probably want that time to pursue my own goals… Selfish- Maybe
I admire the commitment from these parents and it does “feel” good when I hear about it. But again, I am not sure I am sold or feel that school is such a bad place. I for one loved school
…But my sister didn’t. So who knows.
I love the philosophy of trusting our own children’s wisdom. I also believe that they need guidance too. I also believe that we can still trust them whilst they go to mainstream school…
However, in the end, I do not know enough. I have read a few blogs. It sounds lovely and interesting. They seem like ideal parents whom inspire me. However, such idealism does not necessarily mean I have to homescool/unschool?????..
Conscious parenting may not translate to unschooling.
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My children go to an open learning school which I love. They are taught that we are all life long leaners and that they are the leaders of their own learning. Teachers are called by their first name and the learning studios are open and everything is accessible. They have “discovery time” which involves selecting a topic and investigating it however they choose. They always come home happy which is fantastic. I wouldn’t home school them at this point in time because I really value they way they are being taught in their current school enviroment.
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Hi Nora,
What kind of school is this, and where? I haven’t heard of an open school before.
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“Would you homeschool if you had the option? Could you?”
No. not in this lifetime, or the next one, or the one after that.
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This story would have been far better if it had been localised-how much does this story actually relate to Australians considering it is an American story with an American author?
Isn’t it illegal in Australia not to send you children to school?
But on the topic of “unschooling”- one of the best gifts you can give your child is an education.
Education gives people opportunities. There are things you learn in school that are important, academics aside. Things like sticking at things you don’t really like and teamwork.
You are exposed to a range of different people and ideas. Sometimes teachers have such a profound effect on you that they change the course of your life.
You learn different points of view from those held by your parents. You learn to be an individual.
I loved school. It was hard sometimes, but then so is life.
I don’t agree AT ALL with keeping your children home “just because you like having them around”. That seems extremely selfish to me.
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No, it’s not illegal – I have a lot of friends who homeschool their kids, but I think you have to get an official exemption from the government to do it – and they also do home visits, check the childrens’ curriculum and level of education a couple of times a year.
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There is a reasonable sized community of home schoolers in Australia
http://www.hea.asn.au/
Wouldn’t do it myself. But have met those that do.
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I like hearing both sides….
I think that school does not fit every child and as parents we need to be open to that too. From what I know, homeschoolers meet other homeschoolers a few times a week, so they do get alot of social interaction too.
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Honestly, there is far too much banging on about the socialisation aspect! That is one thing I liked about homeschooling – you are not stuck in a room with people all the same age. School is the ONLY place in your lifetime where you are only with people the same age all day every day.
I have seen schoolkids who can only communicate with their peers and have no social skills for anyone either older or younger than themselves and I have seen homeschoolers who can comfortably have a mature conversation with people far older than them. My siblings and I never felt socially cut off from doing homeschooling…
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I’m really glad homeschooling worked out well for you, but I believe its success depends of the skill of the homeschooler. Some people simply lack the skills to provide their kids with a balanced education. Some homeschoolers struggle with socialising themselves so can hardly be expected to help their children learn the necessary skills in this area.
I have personally witnessed this with a homeschooling mother from my mothers’ group. Our kids are now eight years old and her child really struggles to fit in with any of the rest of the group or their siblings (age range 8 months to 16 years.) Her child does not know how to relate to the other kids and prefers to sit with the adults. I find this sad. He also does not display appropriate social skills – constantly interrupts others and continually “dobs” on the other children. “Sarah threw her sandwich in the bin after you told her she had to eat it.” etc. His mother never corrects him. The other kids have started to ask things like “Do I have to invite L to my party?”
I know this is an isolated case however it does demonstrate my point that homeschooling success depends on the parent’s capabilities.
Regarding the point of age grouping: at school children may be grouped in age groupings for classes (or not – not all schools do this) but in the playground they are free to interact with a range of age groups. Children also get to interact with many adults on a daily basis and therefore are exposed to many different personalities, teaching styles and personal philosophies.
I am not saying homeschool can never work. I’m sure in some cases it is very successful. However being social is a huge part of being human. Kids who miss out on learning social skills can be greatly disadvantaged in our society. I think parents considering giving homeschooling a try should give this aspect of their child’s education considerable thought.
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I agree with you. Homeschooling is not for everyone, and I certainly won’t be doing it for my own boys. It does depend a lot on the individual child and also the parents. There are pros and cons both ways, I suppose…
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This one case you cite – well there are kids like that whether they are home schooled or not. It is more to do with individual personality than where/how they are educated.
Look around any classroom/school playground, I can guarantee that you will find children there who lack the appropriate social skills too.
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Not homeschool- UNSCHOOL. As far as I am aware it is a legal requirement to educate your children, whether at home or not. What the author is talking about is not being schooled AT ALL.
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She was certainly educated though.
So maybe not ‘schooled’ but semantics aside, I think her parents more than fulfilled their legal obligations!
Would you agree?
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completely agree. I understand in the case of children who’re having a hard time in school (the poster whose child has Autism for example). But I do think that school is good for kids- meeting a variety of different people, being bored and learning how to deal with it and trying new things. And the school system can be incredibly toxic but I believe the answer is to fight to reform it rather than opt out.
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but at the same time, full power to those who do decide to homeschool. Just don’t think it’d work for me!
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I really wish I was brave to unschool, having slight anxiety over my schooled children at the moment with comments like ” she is doing really well but I just want her to play with the other girls more”, “she read wayyyyyy more than any of the other kids”.
I want the teacher to see my child as the individual they are, and I hate being told the comparisons with other peoples children (give me progress but please don’t assume I feel better when I know she is coming “first” )and i feel that they want my child to fit a mould they beieve all 5 year old girls should fit.
Life was soooo much easier before we entrered the school years. Maybe it’s just my own anxiety that needs fixing and not the system …… hmmmmmmmmmmm something for me to ponder.
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NO Riley. You are spot on!!!!!!!!!!!!..The system does not account for individual differences. However, it does suit many children…
I know my sons daycare teacher made a big deal out of what he was doing. He is 2 for goodness sake….
Labelling children is so not good. But, I respected her and I told her if she can come up with better ideas than what I am already doing, than I am more than willing to implement them… Of course she has not… What he did was developmentally appropriate. Mind you, it was the first time he had done it all year and that is throw his lunch on the floor lol…
I think coping with the teachers is what I will struggle with. However, I am already working on my game plan on politeness and open mindedness
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It is a struggle to keep your mouth shut but also I think you do need to speak up when the teacher gets it so very wrong.
I ended up sending my eldest daughter to a Steiner school, it was brilliant for her in infants and primary.
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I totally agree about the comparison with other children. I am only interested in my child’s progress and not where they “fit” into the grade. Not all schools are like this though and many schools do their very best to cater for the individual.
I have three very different children. My eldest(15) loves socialising and talking. He is fantastic at drama and IT, and is very creative. Reading, writing and maths…well, they’re not really his thing!
My second (11) is very quiet. He’s academic and loves all school work. He is a voracious reader and writes stories for fun. He also loves to draw.
My third(8) is a maths whizz (no idea where that came from – I’m hopeless at it!) He draws like his mother (not well!) but is is very musical (I’m tone deaf!)
The school they go to has catered to their needs brilliantly. The two younger ones have been extended with specialist maths classes and music lessons. The middle one has been helped to overcome his natural shyness and has participated in several school productions. Yesterday he gave his first speech as junior school vice captain. The eldest has been given literacy and numeracy support, and is now holding his own in Year 10. He’s also had the opportunity to develop his creative side through Art and Drama.
My point is that school can be a wonderful place where individuals are treated as such. Perhaps your daughter’s teacher this year is inexperienced or not as competent as you’d like. Or maybe her attitude reflects the general tone of the school. My suggestion would be to talk to the teacher about your concerns. You never know she may be open to what you are saying. Or maybe your daughter’s school isn’t the right one for her.
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I actually wonder if a lot of people who home school, or attend alternative school such as Steiner, do have more anxiety than is normal and whether this affects the environment their child learns in. My anecdeotal evidence for this is that the six people I know who have children attending Steiner schools are all suffering from anxiety disorders.
It would also be interesting to see some longitudinal research on how home schooled children do after school age compared to traditionally educated children. Does anyone know of any research in this area?
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I agree Annonymous…It would be good to have some longitudinal studies, so that parents can make informed choices