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Monty

by MONTY DIMOND

I recently went on a revoltingly indulgent trip to Bali. While laying poolside sipping on rose water and strawberry cocktails (completely unnecessary detail) I noticed every woman had a copy of ‘50 Shades of Grey’ firmly clasped in their hands.

I decided to join the club, as I was fast becoming the last woman on earth to read this book. For the next three days I read about whips, ass slapping, and pubic hair pulling. I’d like to say I thoroughly enjoyed the read… but I didn’t.

I was too worried about the female character’s safety to be even remotely turned on! Maybe its because I’m a new mum, or maybe I’m just a prude, but ‘50 Shades of Grey’ did not float my love boat.

The book has been described as ‘clit lit’ (eeew), a new form of female erotica. However I feel that sometimes porn for mums can be much simpler… and safer. If you’re a mum and 50 Shades of Grey didn’t excite you either, the below scenes might just get your post baby hormones raging.

Scene 1:
(Cue saxophone music)

It was a balmy Friday afternoon; Alexandra was lazing on the new rustic day bed she had purchased from Etsy. Beads of sweat were trickling down the crane of her neck. As she sipped on her ice-cold lemon water, a light breeze swept past. Alexandra’s nipples became fiercely erect. She looked down at her body and was impressed with the size of her voluptuous breasts.

All of a sudden the side gate swung open, she flung around and saw a man walking briskly towards her. He had beautiful olive skin and a strong chizzled jaw that was covered in a salt and pepper three-day growth. His almond eyes locked onto hers.  They were full of firey delight.

In one swift movement his muscular body was on top of hers. He slowly kissed her lips and whispered sensually into Alexandra’s ear, “Your mother called.  She is happy for the baby to stay at her place tonight. After you express your boobs, lets go out for an early dinner and then watch a couple of episodes of Revenge.”

Now if that doesn’t get your blood pumping then I strongly suggest you check if you have a pulse because it’s hot stuff!  Can you handle more?

Scene 2:
(Fire up Kenny G music again)

Bianca was fumbling through her fabulous imitation Birkin handbag trying to find the front door key. She had just finished a busy day at work that had crept its way into the night. Her stomach rumbled and she realised she’d been running off a single coffee and boysenberry muffin for the whole day. Her feet ached from being squeezed into 6-inch stilettos for twelve long hours.

As she went to insert the key in the door, it suddenly flung open. Standing in front of her with wet hair and a crisp white towel wrapped around his waist, was a tall and extremely handsome man. Pearls of water clung to his chest hair. He wrapped his big hands around Bianca’s quivering buttocks and pulled her into his manhood. He kissed her on the forehead and said; “Babe, both the kids are fast asleep. I’ve spent the afternoon cleaning the house and whipped up your favourite chicken casserole.”

Ooooh yeah.  Loving that aren’t you? You dirty, naughty, mummy. One more? Okay.

Scene 3

(Cue 90s classic ‘Pony’ by Genuwine)

The sun seeped through the curtain crack in Bec’s hotel room and gently kissed her awake. She stretched out on the crisp linen sheets and realised she was alone in the bed. The man who had wined and dined her like a princess the night before was now nowhere to be seen. She flopped back onto the pillow and cast her mind to the evening she had had.

Expensive French champagne, oysters, and dancing like she was a teenager again. It had been years since she’d had a night like that. As she ran her hand over her bare nipples she noticed a note on her bedside table. “Thought you would appreciate the sleep in. Have taken the kids for a swim at the beach. Be back about 11am. Oh and housekeeping managed to get the baby’s poo out of your favourite top. Love you.”

It may be a little tragic but that’s the kind of eroticism I’m after at the moment, and I don’t think I’m alone. Watch out E. L. James, me and my lactating breasts are coming after you with ’50 Shades of Mummy Porn’.

Here’s some more read mummy porn for you to enjoy, courtesy of mommyshorts.com and the Porn For Women books:

I love a clean house.

Katie “Monty” Dimond is a broadcaster and media personality. She has appeared on Channel Ten, Channel Nine, and Nova FM. She is currently busy being a full time Mum and loving it!

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  1. Pamela

    This is hilarious….I just had to post it on FB and send to my daughter!!

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  2. Wondering...

    Hey, this is so great and you’ve really captured what I would LOVE for my partner to say and do that I want him to read it (after her’s woken up from his sleep in). But, that got me thinking…what is the male equivalent? What do they really want from their partners? I know sex sounds obvious, but what else are we perhaps missing?

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  3. Ellie

    I’ve read some of the book …. it’s just not for me though.

    It’s done wonders … and i cant stress it enough, for sales of our Ben Wa Balls http://www.jejoue.com.au/ami/ben-wa-balls/ so i’m glad many women love it!

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  4. Mon

    Hahaha. This is just dribble written for sexually frustrated housewives. We all know a few… Good luck to the author who is making a mint.

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  5. West

    By book 3 I was skipping the dirty stuff and re reading the pages where Mrs Jones the housekeeper has discreetly laundered all the clothes and hung them ironed in Ana’s wardrobe. Or the parts where Ana gets home from work and a meal is cooked for her…or the part where…you get the point..

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    • Sammy

      Oh wow! That sounds good – the first thing I’ve heard that has me interested in reading the books!

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  6. Nina

    Just sent the link of this article to my boyfriend in a bid to help him understand porn for (some) women. :)

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  7. this will make me unpopular, but..

    I am a woman and I completely understand your sentiments when it comes to the man you actually want to be with. But isn’t fantasy about escapism?…. I haven’t read this book, but from the sound of it – the main character is controlling, knows how to push buttons and is completely sexuallIy confident. I hate to say it, it sounds hot! Not real life hot; fantasy hot. it’s not pcit just is what it is.

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  8. mumabulous

    I love a good bandwagon and I’m jumping right on this one. I’m working on a pitch for a new erotic novel that will have frazzled Mums everywhere in a lather. Its 50 Shades of Earl Grey.
    http://mum-abulous.com/2012/07/12/50-shades-of-earl-grey/
    Tell me people, do I have a blockbuster on my hands or what..

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  9. Alice

    That’s fantastic. Love the article. Made me laugh. Especially the mention of Revenge.. my new favourite show.

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  10. Thuy Yau

    Haha, despite the criticisms, I discovered a few life lessons. I think there is more to “Fifty Shades of Grey” than you might think. Here’s my perspective on it: http://insideamothersmind.com/?p=1482

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    • Claudia

      Really? It’s fanfiction. The author couldn’t come up with her own characters so used someone elses.
      Then she changed the names.
      I have nothing against fanfic – I read and write it for my favourite show, but I’m certainly not pretending that my pieces are deep. And I’m not so sure that this author intended for us to analyse her work. Sometimes a story is just a story.

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      • Thuy Yau

        Well I believe there’s a message behind every story, even if it wasnt intended.. people interpret things differently :)

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  11. Melissa P

    Classic! So true! And regarding 50 Shades of Grey, I couldn’t get past the first couple of pages. Unreadable drivel. Give me your mummy porn (or some Anais Nin) anyday!

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  12. The man you love to hate

    How sad that this is the best a mother can fantasise about. This is a commentary on why parenthood is incresingly avoided until the last moment. Not only do you lose your glorious independent life, you also apparently lose the ability to dream of any life outside of your current mundane circumstance.

    Push the boundaries ladies, dream big and fantasies about something better than a sleep in and easier stain removal.

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    • The man who hates autocorrect

      Fantasise*

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  13. Guest01

    I brought 50 Shades of Grey to see what all the hype was about but couldn’t bring myself to take it on my recent holiday to Bali as didn’t want to judged poolside for my trashy mummy porn! A bit like reading ‘Eat Pray Love’ and people wandering if your marriage was in trouble! Still only 2 chapters into 50 Shades as too many other good books out there to read.

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  14. amd

    Shades is poorly written(as mentioned earlier, lots of parallels with Twilight, like the author read Twilight, got bored with the lack of sex and re-wrote it without a vamp and lots of S/M. Definitely not everyone’s cup of tea – but porn and eroticism have nothing to do with someone popping to the shops and helping you with the kids. As someone mentioned earlier The Bride Stripped Bare is a much better erotic novel. As for someone helping around the house, nice, but not a turn on in the slightest. Appreciated, certainly, sexually stimulating, not at all. I like my porn more pornographic, frankly.

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    • amd

      Ugh, typos, hate them…

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  15. Just saying

    YAY, love that I am not the only one that didn’t get “off” on Fifty Shades.
    Love MM for this , it’s not just me moments x

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  16. Jilly

    If my man ever meet me at the door like that I’d run!! He can tie me up and whip me any day but cook & clean HELL NO!

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  17. Jef

    Haha love it! Being a new mum myself (7weeks old tomorrow) I found this totally funny and I just related to it :)

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    • monty

      Seven weeks… heaven.. You are still well and truly in the thick of it at the moment, glad you it gave you a giggle.. Smell your babies head for me (is that weird?? ha, i miss new baby smell).. xxx
      Lv monts. x

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      • Ally

        That so isn’t weird. When I had my second baby, my sister-in-law used to ‘borrow’ her when she came to visit to smell her head, as her kid was a 3 year old. Then when she had her next baby I used to ‘borrow’ her to smell her head, because mine was a toddler.

        Totally normal. I hope.

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        • Hugz

          Oh, new baby smell! Someone should figure out how to bottle it! My youngest is about to turn 2, but lots of friends and family are having babies. I’m a bridesmaid soon and the bride had her 10week old at the hens weekend. I was so happy to have itty bitty baby cuddles and just sniffed the poor kid the whole time! (Kind of disturbing, I know.)
          My cousin just had a bub 2 weeks ago, and a good friend had a little boy earlier this week. I can’t wait to go and smell the little bubbies!

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  18. Mum22

    Stop reading so much into it! Ana isn’t as innocent as she seems & some people really are into this stuff!
    I don’t know about you, but reading a story about having a night off from the kids really isn’t exciting! I’d be making my own 50 shades novel with my hubby!
    But as others have said, if you get past thinking too much about the whips & hair pulling there is actually a good story line!
    Stop being do hard core & what should & shouldn’t happen & just enjoy the read! Relax!!!

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    • Crackerpants

      But that’s just it…beyond the terrible writing (“Oh my!”), there ISN’T a good storyline at all. It’s like Sweet Valley High on acid, complete with bestest-ever friends borrowing each other’s clothes. IMO anyway :-)

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      • Cait

        Couldn’t agree more. Like a bad Mills and Boon. Non existent storyline and frankly a little boring. Bit concerning that everyone’s perfect man is controlling and objectifies his partner but I guess that’s ok cause he’s hot and rich…

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        • um....

          No such thing as a bad Mills and Boon.

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    • Sarah

      “Ana isn’t as innocent as she seems & some people really are into this stuff!”

      And I can promise you that every practitioner of BDSM in the world HATES this book. It promotes an unsafe and unhealthy BDSM relationship, and most of us are terribly concerned that the book will be used as a “D/s 101 manual”. It’s abusive, it’s unsafe and it’s non-consensual. If you want some well-written BDSM erotica, start with The Story of O, and literotica.com has plenty of good stuff.

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  19. Crack up

    Monty – you’ve made my morning! Thank you :) xx

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    • Monty...

      You are welcome.. you made my night after reading that.. xxx

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  20. anonymous

    Hahahahaha Monty I definitely had ALL of that music playing in my head during each scene.

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    • Monty...

      Cant go past a little Kenny G or Genuine.. xx

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  21. Kat

    I read Twilight once, because I was desperate for something to read while on holiday. Afterward I wished I just re-read The Beach. Suffice to say I will not be reading 50 Shades. But I would definitely read a book written by Monty!

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  22. bushpiglet.

    The only good thing about to come from Shades of Grey is at least women are now out and proudly reading erotica. Otherwise its just Twilight porn. Edward and Bella get kinky. I did try I really did but its didnt do anything for me at all. I keep thinking about all those middle aged women lusting after a teenage vampire while I was reading it and it made me feel icky.
    Now “the bride stripped bare” , thats hot and empowering!

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    • amd

      I said exactly that, re the Twilight analogy. Clumsy girl, older more sophisticated man who cannot “read” her, the coming to get her “rescue” scene, saving her from the bike (the car in Twilight), the scene where he ignores the waitress, the part where she wears his jacket and his smells just like him. It made me think this woman read Twilight, got sick of the lack of sex and re-wrote it without the Vampire and lots of S/M. Twilight was also pretty poorly written (again a loan, I tend to stick to horror, science fiction and mystery novels – and Twilight confirmed that choice as being a good one).

      As someone further up said, the actual writing was dreadful too – so glad I did not pay for this but a friend loaned it to me. “Oh my” over and over “Aargh!” on a couple of memorable occasions and he kept switching from terribly formal to weirdly trying to be cool. If he called her baby one more time I might just have screamed.

      I also agree The Bride Stripped Bare is a far better novel. Nothing wrong with wanting to read a good erotic book. A foot rub, helping with the dishes and a night off from the children are all very admirable, but not in the least bit erotic, I’m happy to read something a lot steamier than that, thanks, nothing wrong with some well written porn for a change from Sci Fi.

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      • agreed

        best comment so far. let’s not make this whole discussion about having erotica about the men we love. let’s discuss reading about what actually turns us on – and making sure it’s good quality.

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  23. Lovelifexoxo

    Your bloody brilliant Monty…I love reading your blogs, keep them coming, so true xoxo

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    • Anonymous

      Super! Love the way you write. I’d read your mummy porn any day

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      • Mel

        Totally agree! I got halfway through 50 shades and hated it. It became a chore to read it every night. Who wants a hot boyfriend that dictates what you wear, eat, etc. Who doesn’t want to shop! Monty, your stories were ten times better! True mummy porn. Keep it coming.

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      • Mel

        Totally agree! I got halfway through 50 shades and hated it. It became a chore to read it every night. Who wants a hot boyfriend that dictates what you wear, eat, etc. Who doesn’t want to shop? Monty, your stories were ten times better! True mummy porn. Keep it coming.

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    • Monty...

      You are bloody brillianter… Thanks for reading them.. Love you are liking them
      Monts xxx

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  24. Dkmum

    Awww I LOVE it!!
    And very timely as I’ve just dropped my toddler off at her grandparents until Thursday morning for the school holidays, so I can enjoy a few nights with my 28 week belly, a book and a bath.

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    • Monty...

      Squeakkkkkk, have fun!!! and rest those 28 week preggo feet of yours… x

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  25. Emeli

    LOOOOOVE THIS! Thanks for the laugh Monty.

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  26. SusieQ

    Hilarious Monty! And so very true :)

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  27. Linda

    Now that is hot!

    I’ve started reading 50 shades…I got up to the contract and stopped. And I don’t think I’ll go back. While I appreciate 2 sexually experienced adults consenting to this sort of relationship, Ana is not his sexual equal, so it just feels wrong. I too worry for her, and feel sorry for her.
    As a mum who is just getting back her life after young kids, this is not my porn. It’s hard enough to feel equal when your whole identity changes by becoming a mum, this submission story doesn’t help.

    I read a lot of fanfic, including erotica stuff and have read much sexier pieces than this. Really hot stuff between 2 equals. Some sweet, some edgy. But none that has made me squirm like this.

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    • Anonymous

      I thought the same thing at first and did stop for a while after getting to the contract. But if you can get past that and keep going all 3 books actually tell a good story. The 2nd and 3rd books aren’t quite as “disturbing” as the first. Definitely worth another try.

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      • Anon

        Couldn’t agree more…you need to read the first one to get to the story that’s told in books 2 & 3. I loved them – there’s far more to them than the ‘sex stuff’. It was a great read for my Bali holiday!

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  28. Amber.E

    My 6mth old just in bed.. Husband late home from work & i am laying on the lounge with a very big glass of white wine…watching masterchef wishing simeone could whip up even the losing dish for me! A Mixture of vomit & pumpkin on my top. This is a mild version of my meaning of mummy porn! I was crying laughing at your versions. HILARIOUS! I’m heading to Bali in a couple of weeks … Please write a book full of your ‘porn’.. The pube pulling does not sound at all appealing to me!

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  29. 1984

    Hahahahhahaha love it!! But if I woke up with bare nipples I’d be swimming in a puddle of my breast milk. Gross :)

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    • Caitlin

      I feel you there! I’m dripping as I type this.

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  30. Diane

    You can already get the book “Porn for New Moms” by Jodi Warshaw. Very funny!

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  31. Georgie

    Omg loving I can’t wait for your book anything where the kids r taken care of and I have some time with my man (sigh) love the idea of him taking the kids out one morning yes it’s just a fantasy

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  32. kateb

    i wish i could download the photos , what a screen slide show!!!!

    except for the one on looking after other children and the lets talk one, my husband has done most of these things.

    Now that we are retired i dont even know where the vacuum cleaner bags are!!!

    He took 4 weeks off after each child i had and insisted i rest, breast feed and watch TV . The argument we had was when i got ansty and wanted to DO something.

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  33. scratchneedles

    Ahh Im so glad to read this! I too just can’t help but feel that he’s a jerk! And I can’t stop laughing at how alike to Twilight it is – embarrassingly so. It’s basically the same thing but throw in some (unnecessarily) rough sex. Not cool. I like a bit of a sex story with feelings involved :)

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    • Me.

      It started its life as twilight fan fiction and the characters were originally named Bella an Edward. It was only when people started expressing concern over the nature of the sex that she took it down, changed the names and then put it up somewhere else.

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  34. Ozlicious

    Ha! I just posted something very similar to this on my facebook! I tried to get into 50 Shades but just couldn’t. Like you, I felt sorry for Anastasia and I just didn’t enjoy the “sexy” bits at all. Sorry, don’t get it!

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    • Bluebell

      Yes, poor Anastasia with her constant multiple orgasms, gotta feel for the girl!

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  35. AJ

    Oh agree, tried to read it and just couldn’t finish the first book. The male character seriously does nothing for me and sounds seriously creepy. I think there should be a lot more writers out there becoming millionaires before these crappy books…p.s thanks for the laugh

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  36. Crackerpants

    Thanks for the giggle Monty, love it!

    I thought 50 Shades was awful. Just awful. So much bad writing to wade through for sex that was just kind of…I dunno, didn’t do it for me. Just so…contrived, or something.

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    • Crackerpants

      PS I think 50 Shades would make a good drinking game…every time she says “Oh my…”, or her breath hitches. Just one chapter would get everyone nicely sozzled.

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  37. kirsten

    Great work Monty! If you want another laugh check out “Lighter Shades of Grey” by Cassandra Parkin which is a very funny reader’s guide to 50 Shades…this had me in hysterics. Avail only as a ebook atm.

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  38. Anonymous

    I am still not reading this book

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  39. Gah

    Chizzled ?!

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    • Xanthe

      Yeah, I had a giggle at that one, too…

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    • Xanthe

      …and now I can’t get that word out of my HEAD!

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      • Emma

        I thought it looked weird… Chiseled!
        (Great piece though, Monty! Your mummy porn is perfect!)

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  40. silentlyscreaming

    I’d prefer Monty’s version of mummy porn ANY day!

    Someone lent me 50 Shades the other day. I was reluctant to read it, and after flicking ahead last night, was thinking I might just give it a miss. Even from the brief read I had, I found the dynamics of their relationship a little disturbing, and the thought of reading 2 more was exhausting! Mind you, I only read a few pages in full and then decided to cheat and read ahead a bit. Perhaps it’s too soon to judge, but I don’t know if I can be bothered picking it up again!

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  41. rene

    Very funny!

    But on a serious note I always feel annoyed when women carry on as though motherood is SO hard that they suddenly have no time to exercise, have fun, put make up on or have sex, or at least some passionate intimacy, with their husbands. I have a baby and a 4 year old and most days I seem to have the time and the inclination to do all of that.

    I think it is important to try not to completely “lose” yourself in motherhood. Sure there have been days when I have felt depressed, exhausted and miserable but for the most part I think it is worth trying to hold on to the woman that I was before kids and make an effort to enjoy a physical relationship with my husband.

    So my idea of “mummy porn” is actually not my husband doing chores :)

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    • Dee of Adelaide

      I had a hard enough time keeping my house clean, finding time for my relationships, sex and exercise BEFORE I had kids. Chuck in a 4 year old and baby and its even harder.

      I haven’t been subsumed by motherhood. I’ve been subsumed by being a daughter/sister/mother/wife/worker/citizen.

      I’m sure it depends on your prioritites. I don’t have time to put make up on in the morning but I do have time to read the papers. One is more important to my job than the other.

      I think the idea of this type of mummy porn is someone else doing the things you never get to, to give you the physical and mental space to move sex up the list.

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      • rene

        Yes I think you are completely right Dee. You have explained exactly what i was trying to. It is possible to still do things just like we did before but it is a matter of what your priorities (besides caring for the family of course) are. Sure there are bad days, we all have them, but sometimes it is just a matter of making time for what is important to you :)

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    • Meh

      You feel ‘annoyed’ when women carry on as though motherhood is so hard!?
      That’s a little harsh, don’t you think?

      It is hard for a lot of mums. Mums with two kids under 2. Mums who work part time and juggle a baby and a toddler. Mums with 4 kids under 5. Mums who have post natal depression and wish will all their heart they could be just like you but just aren’t. Mums who are separated from their family – living in a new country without support. Mums who have a sick partner. Single mums.

      You get my drift? You are obviously really blessed. Be thankful but don’t piss on those mums that aren’t basking in the glory of their own brilliance just yet.

      It is a tough gig. There is change involved and I can assure you… If it weren’t so hard it wouldn’t be the most rewarding role in the world. Its ok to admit that.

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      • Guest

        Well said Meh :)

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      • rene

        Your comment says more about you than me. Yep. I get annoyed.

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        • Anonymous

          Yep. It says that Meh has more empathy than you!

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        • Anony

          That’s OK, coz you’re annoying.

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      • tall poppy syndrome perhaps

        What a self righteous thing to write! Such a boring “victim” take on the world. Are you saying that 1) you’re better because you don’t wear make up? And 2) that you are all of those categories of women in suffrance? She wasn’t having a go, she was just talking about putting her huband and her sexual relationship and her physical health/appearance ahead of her ‘role as a mother’ now and then.

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    • Katrina

      Generalisation much?

      Perhaps walk a mile in someone else’s shoes before you are so quick to judge. My biggest lesson from being a new mum is to have patience, love and acceptance. Perhaps less judgement and more support to those who are not as fortunate might be more appropriate.

      My home may not be the tidiest, dinner may be late on the table (and more often than not, cooked by my husband) but my daughter is well cared for and loved. Just doing my best.

      Great article Monty! That was my kind of porn even before baby. Housework done, hubby is guaranteed!

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      • rene

        All of these comments are cracking me up! I made a comment purely about my own experience and how I cope with it. I didn’t realise that it would incite whinging Mums to respond and have yet another opporunity to get on their soapbox and whine about how hard they have it and what martyrs they are. Well guess what? Women have been giving birth and raising children for centuries so I for one am not going to piss and moan about how hard it is. I am just going to look for every opportunity in life, even while my kids are small and hard work, to have fun and enjoy my life. Instead of sitting at a computer moaning to the world about how hard I have it! Now where is that sexy husband on mine?

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        • Meh

          That’s funny… You sound like you are sitting at a computer pissing and moaning to me….

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  42. sharoncello

    I love this – my ‘baby’ is 15 now and most of these sound great to me :D

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  43. emmjay

    Love it. Thank you. I just can’t bring myself to pick up those books. Zero interest

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  44. duckformation

    Seriously, laughed until I cried. Love, love, love it Monty. How well you know me. Last night Husband and I watched The Mentalist double, the baby only woke up twice (during it – seriously, did he not get the memo?).It was a very special evening.

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  45. shanny

    “Ooooh yeah. Loving that aren’t you? You dirty, naughty, mummy.”

    Guffaw!!!

    yep i’m loving it.

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  46. Sonj

    Great read. I’m a new mum and can totally relate.

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  47. Rebecca

    Cheers! Brought a smile to my face. Funnily enough I have had the 3, 50 shades book for over a month. Am still yet to read any of them. Maybe one day…

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  48. Anna

    It’s so sad! In times past, hubby was guaranteed hot sex after a nice dinner out or a new outfit. Now it’s taking the kids to the museum, or hanging the new drying racks.

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  49. Fionar

    Monty I love it!! I havn;t read the shades of grey books, they don’t interest me at all.

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  50. Mum of two

    I remember going through a prudish period when I became a mum, it lasted a couple of years before my old sex drive returned. I loved fifty shades, granted the writing was pretty terrible, the story was addictive and things were certainly spiced up at home.

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    • Kellie

      I could not agree more! The new baby stage lacked any sexuality, but now the littlest is almost 3 and I was CONSUMED by the books. It’s not about the violence or the rough sex (well not entirely ;) lol) but how they change each other and how love can make everything different.
      I love them…all 3. Considering a re-read in fact! :P

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    • Catesmum

      I too have gone through a prudish stage following babies. In part after 4 years of breastfeeding I want my body to myself for a little while. Hoping the mojo comes back at some stage!

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