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“Good job darling!” I yell, with my face arranged into the Encouraging and Affirming Mummy Pose. Both my thumbs (not just one) are raised and simultaneously punctuating my prose as I shout “Great work!” and “Good try sweetheart!” whilst smiling so hard my ears hurt. Or maybe it’s the chorus of other netball mothers, out-encouraging their daughters, that’s causing the pain.

The truth is that Prima (aged 7) is shaping up to be as athletically challenged as I am. I have to say, I am very proud of her values – every week she bravely gets out there on the court, when the ball comes towards her she stoically doesn’t flinch, her concentration is palpable. She’s no One Miss Wonder, my Prima – with her little arms waving wildly, she misses the ball. My childhood friends will remember that scene well (except that I was never brave and I still do flinch).

I love the effort Prima puts into missing the ball and the goofy smile she gives me when it sails right past her. It makes me want to run onto the court, scoop her up and say “You’re the best darling!”. I know she’s not, and when the ball comes towards her, I am flinching on the inside and praying for contact. When the inevitable outcome occurs, I don’t know what comes over me but I have this uncontrollable impulse to raise both my thumbs and smile encouragingly like an idiot.

At the end of the season we proudly attended the netball gala at which every child is presented with a trophy. Quite rightly, at this young age, the emphasis is on participation and teamwork, rather than individual skill (or lack thereof).  In the sausage sizzle that followed, one of the netball mothers hesitantly and quietly asked the following question: at what stage do we stop giving every child a trophy and start teaching them that some people are more skilled than others; that if you want life’s trophies, you might have to work harder.

I nearly choked on my organic, free range, happily raised and humanely executed snag (it’s that kind of neighbourhood). Was she seditiously suggesting that perhaps it might be ok for the children to learn that sometimes they weren’t winners (if indeed they were not) and develop the tools required to deal with that – including the emotional resilience to maintain their self-esteem, the determination to keep improving and the enthusiasm to keep playing?

I thought back to my own upbringing. My parents never told me I was doing a good job if I wasn’t. They told me I could do better if they thought I could. They told me I was kind, clever and funny and that this would make up for my abject lack of hand-to-eye co-ordination. Maybe they too were exaggerating in an attempt at encouragement and affirmation.

To me, Prima’s every act is the personification of perfection, even though I know she sucks at netball. Perhaps I need to do more than simply praise, smile hard and arrange my thumbs in a ridiculous pose, so she is better prepared emotionally for when she does not get chosen to play for Australia (or the school…or her class). Over the next few months, before netball trials start, I will ponder life’s trophies and the lessons we learn from getting them and not getting them. And, I will be sending poor little Prima to netball bootcamp.

Do you praise your children regardless of their abilities and achievements? Are we failing to teach them to cope with failure as a result?

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  1. Mooloo

    I see a culture of entitlement emerging from this over praising. And it results in ugly, ungenerous behavior.

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  2. boodie

    One of my proudest moments as a kid was coming first in overheadball at the school sports carnival, I’d never ever won a ribbon before, because at my school they didn’t give out participation ribbons, only for 1st 2nd and

    3rd.

    So the year I won something it really meant that I had tried my hardest and I’d scored three points for my house team of oonadatta and i proudly wore that ribbon home, and i do believe I still have it somewhere here, some 40 years later.

    I didn’t go on to win many more ribbons, and by the time I got to HS you got one just for turning it. It cheapened it for me, society outside of the cocoon of childhood doesn’t work that way, you don’t get a ribbon just for turning up, and your boss doesn’t think your wonderful simply because you made it into work.

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  3. Robyn

    I was devastated when my older children were at school in the ’80s and it was all “no failure”, no exams, no individual races (so no-one lost).

    I don’t believe we do any favours to our children by ignoring reality. I certainly believe in praising desired behaviour, of course, but I will tell mine when improvement is needed. Your little one thinks she plays perfectly, you tell her that! Why would she try to improve?

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  4. Jo M

    I was always god-awful at sport except hockey, and I wish people had just let me be a good writer, you know? I suspect it would have saved me a lot of angst. I won award after award, went on special courses, and edited the school magazine at ten years old (the only student editor the magazine’s ever had, the principal told me years later), yet because I wasn’t on the gymnastics team, nobody cared and I never felt good enough, or like I’d won anything at all. I was constantly pushed to achieve in PE and criticised when I didn’t do well, regardless of whether I’d been away the previous week on a prestigious literature study program with kids five years older than me. I think the problem is as much a culture that glorifies sport as one that bubble wraps children and their self-esteem. Everybody can be a winner, as long as we stop restricting our definition of “winning” to winning at sport. Or being Charlie Sheen.

    I do like the idea of having a trophy for each child that recognises their unique talents, though – as long as it’s genuine and is rewarding them not just for the sake of it, but for their talents and own skills.

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  5. Kate T

    I have always been quite good at all sports. I didn’t know this or start to realise within myself until I started winning ribbons and started being selected for representative teams. Good or not was not the focus that my parents taught me. It was getting out there, having a go and being a good sport during and after the race/game. Team sports are there for you to enjoy the game and make new friends while youre at it!!! And it’s stuck with me my whole life. Even today at 23 I play Netball on a Monday night. I am appalled to see how some players behave and overreact in games. I feel like they are missing out on the best part of sport – to have fun and enjoy the game. I think the focus should always be on playing to the best of your ability, whatever that level may be, and with the best sportsmanship that you have within you.

    Some people are born with natural ability for sport, others aren’t. But thats not what its about. Skills can be learnt as with anything. If you enjoy it, do it. Sport is there to enjoy the game, make new friends and learn true sportsmanship. If you stop enjoying the game then it’s time to move on. No one will know this except the individual, be that you or your child

    I don’t think that anyone should tell anyone they aren’t meant to play that sport. It’s up to them to decide when they don’t enjoy it anymore

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  6. Mel

    Hi Prima,

    It’s great to see another article from you again today!

    I played a lot of sport as a child and really enjoyed the competition of vying for one of those highly desired trophies at the end of the season.

    In our Netball comps at school there were 2 trophies, there was 1 awarded to the “Best and Fairest Player” and one awarded to the “Most Improved player” at the end of the season . Each week the parents at the game would award a point to 1 player for each of the those 2 categories and at the end of the season the points were tallied up and who ever had the most points at the end of the season were given the awards ( normally a trophy).

    I remember one year thinking that I’d tried really hard and had had a great year and being so surprised and dissapointed when I didn’t get one of those 2 trophies ( isn’t every kid on the team though and that’s life isn’t it?). My mum was our coach that year and she told me that even though I had received the most points for one of the awards she felt it wasn’t right to give it to me when she was the coach. To then go to the school assembly and see the daughter of the coach in the next grade up receive her award absolutely shattered me. I was heart broken. But I got over it, it didn’t kill me it just made me hungrier for the next season- I don’t think i got it then either but it would have been because I didn’t deserve it as Mum was no longer coaching ( I think she felt really bad about it to be honest).

    I think as long as the rules are explained to children and that they are applied fairly then a little bit of competition can be a lot of fun. There is so much self esteem and confidence to be gained through trying your hardest and also building that very important trait of resilience learned through failing and then getting up to have another go.

    It’s all in execution. Lots of encouragement and support for all children who are playing at the time whether they be your child or someone else, from your team or the opposing team and for the player who is trying their hardest as well as the star of the show. It also gives us a great opportunity to teach our children to be happy for other children when they do well.

    My 5 year old starts Nippers soon and will also join a swimming squad and I can’t wait to cheer him and all the other kids on while they try their best!

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  7. sharonalger

    I think encouragement is always good. We always encourage our kids here for any effort made. We’ve drummed in that it’s ok to not always be number one. We’re also teaching them to be happy for the success of others.

    A few days ago, my fifth grade daughter won the senior regional spelling bee and will be going away to compete at state level. I’m over the moon and have told her how proud I am.

    However… during the competition, we had:
    - the comp delayed from starting for 30 MINUTES because contestants would not sit down, stop eating ice creams they’d brought into the competition hall or stop talking. And this was after being asked to sit down, stop talking and quickly finish your icecream. I remember at school, we weren’t allowed to bring food into rooms, and competitions would start with or without the kids. If we were still eating and something was about to start, we threw our food in the bin.

    - The contestants were seated in the first two rows, adults in the remaining back rows. During the comp, adults went to the contestant’s seats, chatted to the kids, gave them pieces of paper, etc. Kids got up and walked to their parents/teachers in the audience and stopped for a chat!

    - When my daughter was given her certificate for winning, not ONE person in the room clapped for her. They were too busy shooting filthy looks at my daughter. I was upset and embarrassed, so clapped loudly, then the rest of them half heartedly clapped. They looked like they wanted to murder my child.

    One nice thing at the end though, was that the runner up shook her hand and congratulated her, and she did the same in return. The mother had brought him over to do this, and we appreciated it.

    I hope I’m not sounding precious about this, but last year when my daughter didn’t win and they announced the winner, I clapped loudly straight away!

    I heard lots of muttering from parents saying, ‘how on earth do they expect kids to spell words like that? It’s not fair! My child doesn’t know that word, they shouldn’t have asked such hard words to be spelt!’ funny thing is, we were all given practice words and knew exactly how hard it would be for a good month or two before the comp.

    I think it’s sad how society is turning out.

    Oh! Another nice thing: that afternoon, at the supermarket, two mums who’d been at the comp congratulated my daughter via me (daughter wasn’t there), so it did restore my faith a little lol.

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  8. Kathy W

    I’m a high school teacher and when I was doing my prac teaching as part of my uni studies, I saw a whole class given a merit for simply sitting quietly and working.
    Huh? Isn’t that what they are supposed to do? Silly me. I soon found out that at some high schools in disadvantaged areas (as this one was) a class sitting quietly and working was the exception. However I strongly disagree with rewarding the whole class for behaviour which should be expected and carried out every time.

    During teaching studies at university we do a whole block of work on ‘managing classroom behaviour’ – however no one teaches these kids how to behave properly in the classroom and be accountable in the first place. On the whole, classroom behaviour is getting worse every year. No wonder some of us resort to bribes like lollypops – see post further down – it’s just sheer desperation.

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    • duckformation

      it’s a bit like giving children pocket money for doing chores and picking up after themselves isn’t it? When I was young I didn’t get paid to do the things I was supposed to do- I just had to do them. Expectations are changing fast unfortunately.

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    • Sparkle

      Yes..I can relate. As a new scheme teacher I have now resorted to buying a pack of lollies to bribe my kiddliwinks to do what should be expected of them i.e to not talk when the teacher is talking, and to sit and work quietly. As I have worked in many schools in my area within this term it is definitely the exception. I certainly didnt want to be the teacher to have to use junk food to reward decent behaviour and hope to find better ways, but at this stage I have to use what works..and this seems to.

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    • Debyl1

      I can remember when my daughter was in early primary school and she got the student of the week award.She was so so excited and encouraged as she always worked hard and was very well behaved and helpful in class.Then through out the semester she saw that eventually every student received the award and it began to have less of a meaning.Her little confused eyes stared up at me as she asked “mummy why did so and so get the same award as me when they never do their work and always talk in class?”I understand awards can encourage children to improve but I dont feel they should all be the same awards/trophies/certificates etc

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  9. Lu

    We cant win, if we stay and watch our kids play sport we’re helicopter parents and if we drop them off we’re disinterested in them!
    My gripe is participation awards. Why do kids need participation awards for running a race? What happened to a ribbon for 1st, 2nd & 3rd and that was it? Now the whole damn race gets a ribbon and kids cry if they miss out. I remember one carnival a few years ago the participation awards were handed out at the end of the day and several mums complained because they felt they should be handed out at the end of the race so the kids who didnt get a place didnt feel left out!!
    And it is hard when you choose not to cater to your childs every whim. My kids only have birthday parties every 3 or so years. Their friends tell them they feel sorry for them and their parents are mean. When I was growing up nobody had parties every year, now kids are considered neglected if they dont.

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  10. Jeff

    See Carol Dweck’s important research into the harm of misusing praise – How Not to Talk to Your Kids http://nymag.com/news/features/27840/

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    • the Original Camille

      thanks for that.
      My daughter did really well at NAPLAN this year, and I let her know she did this because she ‘picks things up quickly’ but also because she works hard and perserverses when it is hard.
      She was streets ahead of her peers in reading in kindy (of course, now, they’ve moslty all caught up) but when she struggles w something, she gets v upset. I tell her that this is what reading practice is like for one of her friends w dyslexia, and isn’t she brave for practicing every night, even though it’s hard for her.

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      • the Original Camille

        acutally, i read somewhere that here we value kids w natural talent, whereas in ?? (China), they value talent + effort. If you’re not workng hard, then your natural talent is a waste…

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        • threeboys

          That sounds similar to what i read in ‘The Battle Hymn of the Tiger Mother’. While most of what I read astounded me, this one part really resonated. Essentially when the author compares ‘western’ style parenting and chinese style parenting, she says that ‘western’ parents cheer on mediocrity or anything in order to build self-esteem, whereas ‘chinese’ parents will only praise when it is earned and that their children will gain their self-esteem through their successes. If success is not achieved, then they must work harder. Or something to that effect. I find myself thinking of this often when I am yelling ‘good try’ to my son on the soccer field!

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  11. Bel

    Daughter aged 8 complained that she only got a medal (netta), rather than a trophy (netball) at last weeks presentation. Mind you she got a goody bag as well!! Grrrr. Very unhappy mummy (me) made sure she got the attitude adjustment she deserved!

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  12. the Original Camille

    my talent- finding things on the street. I make a wish-list, and then it happens.
    Last month, i said our sofa bed was looking tired and we needed two matching couches, one a three-seater. Check out our lounge-room as of yesterday, when i found a guy moving out and throwing out two couches he had owned for about one year.
    Every single item in these pics was found on the street (except for the electronic stuff and the cushions.)

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    • the Original Camille

      and this one

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      • Anonymous

        Erm, I think you posted this in the wrong thread…

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        • the Original Camille

          i put this up bc further down, people were talking about their talents.
          Mia’s seems to be Nutella Eating (she must have been having a humble moment.)

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  13. the Original Camille

    my talent- finding things on the street. I make a wish-list, and then it happens.
    Last month, i said our safa bed was lookinbg tired and we needed two matching couches, one a three-seater. Check out our lounge-room as of yesterday, when i found a guy moving out and throwing out two couches he had owned for a about one year.
    Every single item in these pics was found on the street (except for the electronic stuff and the cushions.)

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  14. the Original Camille

    flashbacks… mid eighties.
    I stand on the volleyball court, praying the ball keeps away from me. It comes towards me. I get ready, and bang. It crashes ion to my face. Again.
    But anything not involving hand-eye, I’m fine. Skiing, dancing, yoga, swimming, walking. But keep those damn balls away from me!

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    • sailorgirl

      im the same..

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      • the Original Camille

        i later found out I have problems seeing in 3D, and that seemed to explain my volleyball expriences.

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  15. Anonymous

    the problem becomes if you want to raise your kid differently (and i do), that your children see other kids around them getting rewarded for nothing and wonder why they don’t get rewards and start to doubt themselves. know what i mean?

    confidence without resilience (which can only be developed through adversity) = monsters with overdeveloped sense of entitlement. i know plenty of adults who fit the profile.

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  16. brookewooldridge

    Teach our kids that you *can’t* always win. Start by stopping this ridiculous practice of a prize in every layer of wrapping in a pass-the-parcel game at kids’ parties. Grr, that bugs me!

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    • Bel

      I agree, didn’t play pass the parcel at BD party last week for that reason.

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    • Lu

      Stop this ridiculous practise of birthday parties every year where the entire class is invited.

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  17. Anonymous

    One thing my kids school does and I really appreciate ( as my 3 are not so athletic) is have academic trophies. these are an end of year event and given out with the sporting awards, for things such as spelling comps, reading comps etc. That way the emphasis is the same for both academic and sporting, and is only once a year instead of every other week. I think this is a good way for all the kids to have a chance of receiving recognition in different ways and still having the thrill of getting a trophy/certificate.

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    • Mel

      That’s a great idea.

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      • Anonymous

        And that’s how it used to be when I went to school.

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  18. Kate in TO

    Reminds me of being in grade 2. The whole class got accepted to be in the junior school choir and got to perform at the concert hall. The whole class except for 2 students…. the non English speaking obese kid from South America who also had a lisp and me. I remember the 2 of us sitting in class alone all day…. the harsh reality that I couldn’t sing. I also remember thinking… they could have let us go… i would have lip synced!!. So I grew up knowing very well that i was crap at singing but at the same time i was definitely made aware of my strengths by my parents.

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    • the Original Camille

      do you think his obesity was part of the reason he did not get picked, or part of the reason it hurt so much to be associated w him?

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      • Kate in TO

        On retrospect he probably wasn’t obese more just twice the size in height and build compared to the other 7 year olds… it had nothing to do with how i felt…. I equally felt sorry for him…. we both could have lip synced.

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        • the Original Camille

          yes, it was cruel.

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  19. Tara

    Lately i have been teaching my kids how not to be sore losers. I think its just as important as encouraging them and building up their confidence.

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    • Wendy

      It’s amazing the number of parents which encourage that or are guilty of that.

      My child came from her school swimming carnival a couple of years ago, with the news that when her name was called out for First place in the breaststroke heats (they ran two heats, but no final so it was based on times), one of the mother’s standing next to her own daughter (2nd place getter) said “Don’t worry [child's name], the teachers have obviously made a mistake, we’ll go sort it out. This was within earshot of my child.

      There had been no mistake. Thankfully my daughter could laugh about it with us,

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  20. Kate

    Of course it’s important to encourage our kids, and, particularly when they’re very young, to nurture their self-esteem and imbue them with a positive, confident approach to life.
    But, I firmly believe it’s equally important to teach our children that they are a part of a community, a team of people who possess different strengths, weaknesses and varying levels of ability. The notion of contributing their strengths to help the team is much more important than teaching them to believe they can be a winner at everything.
    We don’t seriously want to raise a generation of narcissists, do we?

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  21. Hazzzzz

    My parents were (and still are) great at keeping me and my siblings level-headed about our skills and abilities. My mum in particular, she’s very direct lol.
    I remember wanting to do art as an elective in year 9. My mum said “don’t be so silly, you’re like me- you’re hopeless at art, do music instead.”
    Same when I wanted singing lessons and had them for a term “I don’t think you have a natural talent for this” my dad was way more blunt, he said i sounded like a dying cat!
    I’m actually quite glad my parents are like this, instead of telling me i’m great at everything and hence setting me up for failure later.

    And as for good old saturday sport, my dad would just dump me off in time for the warm up, go and have a cup of coffee and pick me up when the game was over!

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    • the Original Camille

      my friend who is a singing teacher says she can teach anyone to sing in tune if they have a passion for it.
      It’s not too late. if you’re IN BNE, i’ll send you her details…

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      • Anonymous

        This is true. Although I can sing, my singing teacher had the same attitude and she is a fabulous teacher.

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    • Anonymous

      On the other hand, despite no natural talent, my kids can at least now sing in tune thanks to singing lessons. It was worth it for that alone.

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  22. Faybian

    I do believe in emphasizing what my kids are good at, praising them for trying and letting them know that it’s ok to not be good at everything because no one is.

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  23. Reema

    You are right everyone is a winner….. We are all good at something … It just takes time to realise and recognise that…..We as parents must encourage our kids to participate and reiterate that they should enjoy themselves ……

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  24. kerrisackville

    Such great questions. I think it’s important for us all to realise we’re not all good at everything, so that we can find the things we are good at. Because everyone is good at something. Aren’t they????

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    • Mia

      Like….Nutella eating? ;)

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    • essessesse

      I’m really good at eating chocolate dipped strawberries. Who knew that you could get 6 for $10 if you’re in David Jones food hall just before 7pm??

      Four in a row, people. Four in a row.

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  25. Anonymous

    I know a private girls school in Sydney where students are not allowed to be given a mark for any assignment or exam less than 50%. Even if a student does not do an assignment, they are given 50%. How will they possibly cope with the real world?

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    • Mum of 2

      I am gob-smacked by this!!! So apparently 1 plus 1 does not even equal 2 anymore (not if it isn’t considered PC anyway!)!

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      • The Buzz

        It’s the same at our kids school. 50% for failure. The palpable relief on my non-maths-motivated child broke me apart. Wonderful motivational support from a system that will guarantee a similar result in perpetuity.

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  26. Kris2040

    If everyone’s a winner, then no-one’s a winner.

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  27. MissB

    Great post! As a teacher, I am regularly faced with parents who are so unrealistic about their children and their capabilities. One mother and father went so far as to call a meeting with me to insist I tell their child that she was 6 levels higher in her reading than she really was ‘to boost her confidence’.

    I refused. Where is the satisfaction in that? The real boost in confidence would come from her actually gaining each level on her own and celebrating each step up.

    Incredibly frustrating.

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  28. amy1

    As someone who used to come dead last in virtually everything physical I ever attempted and who doesn’t have a single medal or trophy to her name- You won’t appreciate and understand what it means to win something unless you know what it means to be the loser.

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  29. Julie

    It’s a pity this radio presentation isn’t still available in audio http://www.abc.net.au/rn/talks/lm/stories/s441942.htm (only in transcript now) because Dr Louise Porter explains this kind of thing ever so clearly. We don’t need praise/rewards for kids. We need to encourage them and help them notice their own behaviour. We need to concentrate on the effort, not the result… yadda yadda I think I should allow Louise to explain … ;)
    Louise Porter: “Rewards and punishments have US in control. We decide which behaviours are appropriate. We decide which behaviours we will change. We decide how we will do it. We are in control and being in control of another person is never experienced by the recipient as a benign event even if it’s supposedly positive such as with praise or with rewards. It’s not considered by them a positive experience and we all know that as adults that when other people try and control us we don’t feel that it’s a very positive experience.”
    Definitely worth the read if you have time >
    http://www.abc.net.au/rn/talks/lm/stories/s441942.htm
    :)

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  30. KazLivesHere

    I remember being absolutely crushed that I didn’t make the physical culture team when I was 10. The class had one too many people, so I took it really personally when I was the only one left off the team. I certainly didn’t believe them when they told me that the reserve was ‘really important’.

    But Mum made me go back the next week and I stood up the back and did my practice and got my enjoyment out of physsie without going to the competition. I think that was a good lesson.

    Unfortunately, I ended up leaving as one of the other mothers said that having someone who wasn’t on the team practising at the back was ‘distracting for her daughter and made coaching the team difficult’. The spineless teacher didn’t stand up to her and made me sit on the floor at the front and learn by watching instead.

    I’m still quite mad about that. Here was a little girl who had taken a big rejection on the chin, never complained in class once and accepted that she was just going to have to enjoy participating. But instead of being encouraged, the lesson I learnt was that unless you’re going to be the best then you might as well not be there at all.

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    • Jhadore

      :( this broke my heart.

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      • jo

        Mine too – my eyes are filling up for little ten year old Kaz.

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        • KazLivesHere

          Don’t worry, she turned out fine in the end!

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  31. Jayne

    When someone in my basketball team or one of my nieces or nephews misses a catch or shot I yell out “tough luck…next time”, “almost had it” or something encouraging like that. It let’s them know you are not cross or thinking less of them for the error, but doesn’t praise them for their poor form.

    It was tough getting praise out of my mum and dad when I was a kid, but when they did it meant SO much to me because it was rare, and I knew I had earned it. They mostly related to high academic moments in my life. That is the kind of praise that fills you with pride. You cannot get that feeling from hollow praise that you haven’t really earnt. I still remember most of the moments now!

    Also, now I have been working in my chosen career for 5 years, I can say that my bosses praise for anyone is even fewer and further between. When you get a “well done”, it is a huge compliment and means a lot.

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  32. Anita

    If you’re going to give a child – at least have a reason for it. If a participation award is warranted, surely a specific comment “being a great team member”, “getting the most goals”, “being the best bench-warmer” (I kid) – is a good way to go! It benefits kids to learn their strengths (and weaknesses) rather than getting an award for simply turning up each week

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  33. Anonymous

    This is something that I was complaining to other parents about last night. I am finding it very difficult to get my 7 yr old to co-operate when she gets given so many “awards” and prizes at school. At home, I expect her to do some simple tasks like clean away her toys, set the table etc but because there is no prize at the end of that task, she often refuses to do it. But that’s because at school these awards, prizes and incentives are handed out all the time. Sit up straight – get a lolly! Walk quietly into class – get a lolly! Hand in your homework – pick a prize from the prize box! Today, the whole class got given 2 lollies each because they sat and watched “A Bug’s Life” quietly – imagine that – a whole heap of kids glued to the TV without making a sound – and they deserve 2 lollies for their efforts!! Many a day my daughter can tell me that she got a lolly but can’t remember what she did to get it.There is also “star of the week” awards at school. All the kids names get pulled out of a hat at the beginning of the year and they get put down on a “roster” for when they will receive their award. Then the class write something nice down on the award and it is presented at assemebly. So what does the child need to do to get an award – be enrolled at the school!!! And then there is the trophy day at the end of the year dancing concert to every child – and we are being forced to fund raise for this at the moment! On Saturday every child will get a trophy at the end of season netball presentations. I think a participation certificate is the most they should get which demonstrates that they gave it a go. I am constantly telling me daughter that the idea is to give it a go, learn some new skills and have a bit of fun. Let them enjoy these activities as kids before making it into something more serious. Then there are the pushing parents who turn a 7 yr old sporting game into something really competitive – which then sucks all the fun out of it for kids. How are these kids going to cope when they grow up and find out that not everyone who applies for the job will get the job. Not everyone who just shows up to work gets a end-or-year bonus. The police don’t give out awards to all those drivers who didn’t loose a point of their licence in the last 12 months. All this over abundance of awards to prevent our kids from being disappointed and missing out is going to be much more detrimental in the long term. I don’t think we need to be hard on kids, but let’s just let them participate in things, have some fun without all the awards and prizes. When I was young, you didn’t get awards very often and you really had to work hard to get them – I want my kids to learn to perserve at things they find difficult, work hard to improve and do it because they have an internal motivation to do so. This can never happen when awards are sprinkled around for just about anything!

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    • Anonymous

      Couldn’t have said it better myself :-)

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      • Bee

        So very well said. It is increasingly concerning to me that kids won’t do anything unless there is some kind of reward attached to it. We should be encouraging young people to value the personal satisfaction that comes from achievement not the rewards or prizes or accolades that come with it. We should be encouraging them to think of and do for others out of a genuine sense of community not what they will get in return. Working in a school, it disheartens me that the attitude towards donating to charity, for example, is often negative unless they get a free dress day out of it or there is something else in it for them. A real worry to me.

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    • essessesse

      I think someone should tell the teacher that they shouldn’t be filling the children with lollies unless they want to pay for the next dentists appointment.

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    • Michelle

      I agree with you 100%

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    • redballoon

      That teacher should not be using lollies as rewards.
      I’m shocked.

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    • chellebelle

      time to change schools?

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    • Joanna

      Couldn’t agree more :-)

      My son has received two awards this term, one was a Student of the Week and one was an Academic Achievement Award. As I told him, you get SotW just by being the one kid who didn’t pick his nose in class that day, but the AAA was earned because he has improved his grades out of sight this year and THAT’S the one I’m proud of!

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  34. Kate!

    Shankari, the fact that your daughter perceveres with sports when she is not particularly talented means she IS a winner. Being able to hit a ball will take a person just so far in life. Having the tenacity and courage to stick with something difficult when the rewards are few and far between, will take them a long way further.

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  35. katehunter

    I wonder why our kids need an audience for every sporting event, assembly, musical/theatrical performance of their lives? There seems to be an expectation that one or both parents should show up at everything and stay for the entire event. If they make a final or are getting an (earned) award I make a point of showing up. Other times I go if I can or if its really important to them. Otherwise they tell me about it afterwards.

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    • Wendy

      As a parent I have found it quite odd the number of parents who just drop their kids off to their soccer games without watching it, and picking them up afterwards. It appears to me that they’re not interested in their child’s life.

      We don’t hang around for the kids’ weekly training sessions, we drop off and pick up, but the games – yes of course we watch them.

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      • katehunter

        Our two older kids both play sport on Saturdays. I umpire our daughter’s netball so I have to go to those matches. But sometimes my husband skips footy to be watch netty. Or sometimes we just have other stuff to do – or need a Saturday morning at home. I might be a bit tough here (bitter?) as I remember my dad electing to stay at home to clean the oven instead of coming to my netball match. I’m over it though! Truly I am! I just think there’s too much pressure on parents to be everywhere, all the time. Also, kids need some NEWS from time to time. I enjoy picking them up and saying, ‘Hop in, how’d you go?’

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        • Kris2040

          We just used to get dropped off or catch the bus to netball. And it would be 4 of us getting dropped off and picked up by one of our parents. Mum used to hang around for hockey because there wasn’t anything she could do close and it was a fair hike to go to, but she’d get the paper and sit in the car or find a nice spot and read it.
          No-one else’s oldies used to come to sport either – I can remember being dragged to my little brother’s soccer games, boring as buggery. And I think Mum gave up on his cricket when one of the kids whacked a ball into her ankle. :(
          They’d show up for finals (if our team made it) but that was about it. I used to go to swimming club too, and don’t recall either Mum or Dad coming to that either. Why would they?

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          • katehunter

            I was dreading my son playing cricket. But then I discovered that (if you don’t have to take toddlers) it’s the most blissful Saturday morning. Paper, coffee, shady tree. Just don’t sit in the line of fire :-)

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            • Kris2040

              Boring as batshit. And we didn’t have an equivalent summer sport to go to. At least with soccer we had netball to go to ourselves.

              I played cricket at high school, but it’s a vastly different proposition when you’re playing than watching your brother stand around on a field.

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            • Faybian

              Football and soccer games were not fun, nor did I get to watch as I dashed about after a toddler or two. So my son would have to tell me about the game anyway.
              Ballet was a nightmare with small children, chasing them in the yard outside the school or roaming about in our car.
              We live a fair drive from anywhere, so I usually didn’t have the option of just a drop off.
              My husband once went to sleep under a ducky covered doona under the seats at the footy oval. In his defense he’d just done a nightshift. My son, however was mortified.

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          • katehunter

            Interesting that Sam Stosur’s dad wasn’t at her NY open win. They say the most screwed up sports stars are the ones who’s parents quit their jobs and leave their lives to support their kids.

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            • Anonymous

              Guess it’s the difference between trying to living your life through your kids (Hollywood seems to be another good example of this), versus actually supporting them.

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        • Wendy

          I have to admit we are relieved soccer season is finally over. Usually we had to head in different directions with a child each.

          I also drew the line at school sporting events unless they got through to District and Zone events.

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      • Clare

        I’ll be watching as few as possible, I totally agree with Kate. My kids can experience some things in their lives without me always there. People should play sport because they love it, not because they enjoy performing.

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        • Kris2040

          Finals and stuff, or if they particularly ask, sure, but not every week. Although, I’ll probably still be playing sport too when Katharine’s big enough to, so I guess if she has to watch me, I’ll need to return the favour…

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    • MelGardener

      See, the difference with dancing etc.. is that you’re not expected to stay (at least not at our school). It’s more distracting to have parents in the room when you are teaching so I tend to go and have a coffee or a quick sprint to the shops duriing class.

      Although, end of year concerts, I’m there and I stay for the whole thing.

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      • Wendy

        It’s the difference between a lesson and a game.

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        • essessesse

          I was never any good at sports at school but my brother was good at rugby. We didn’t go to watch his matches unless it was a final.

          People never seem to have any time to do things these days, weekends for parents are a nightmare. Perhaps they might get more done if they stopped standing around on touchlines waiting for their kids to finish getting their exercise.

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          • Kris2040

            I agree, Esse. Everyone carries on about how “busy” they are. Commit to less then! No-one’s holding a gun to your head to do all the stuff you sign the kids up for. And the kids would probably like a bit of time to do nothing! I think it’s manufactured busyness.

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    • Gracie

      Hmmmm Kate, this is something I hadn’t thought about….I have played netball since I was seven (I’m now 22) and for most of highschool I played elite level netball….When I wasn’t away at competition, I was playing netball and basketball at least three nights a week and training every other bloody day…And looking back, I can safely say that there is only one carnival where I didn’t have at least one parent there watching….Almost every single game of netball I every played, my Dad was there to watch- and I couldn’t imagine it any other way…Granted, I was one of the only kids who always had a parent there- but he was a great support and a real boost when things got tough on court and he didn’t resent it…especially the match where I tore my ACL and miniscus- an injury which effectively stopped me from playing high level netball- I need my mum and dad to be there.

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  36. Anon Teacher

    I once wrote in a college drama report the following statement.

    This student put in the minimum amount of effort required to complete the subject and has been awarded a C grade.

    The student came to me after reading this and said ‘But I hardly ever skipped class! And I did almost all the assignments!’

    My response? ‘Exactly.’

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  37. annab

    This is one of my bug bears actually, the everyone’s a winner award. We aren’t, and when we hit the world of work and adult friendships and relationships we need to be able to learn how to handle ourselves when we realise it isn’t an even playing field, and that we don’t have the same skill set as everyone else.

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  38. Emma

    Kids aren’t silly (most kids anyway). Most of them will reach an age and realise they aren’t as good as they thought they were and they’ll move on. It’s all a learning curve. Encouragement never hurts but as parents we shouldn’t give kids false hope either.

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  39. Sandy

    When I was a kid, I didn’t excel in much. I sucked at most sports BUT I was good at short distance running. When I would go to meets when I was little, everyone got a medal and it really did s**t me to tears. I would put in this massive amount of effort to come first (as coming first in a race was the whole point in a meet, to me anyway) and I got rewarded like every other kid there. It didn’t teach me that everyone got a medal because they tried. Even at a young age, I saw that everyone got a medal because it was the pc thing to do and I thought it was lame. It made me not want to try hard as no matter what, I was still going to get something. I still have my medals and the ones that I received in those years mean nothing to me. There is no pride in them. The medals that I received because I did win, I will never get rid of because I know I won due to hard work and trying my best. Giving medals out to everyone defeats the purpose of a competition and trivialises the hard work that kids put in.

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  40. girly

    I am terrible at most sports except for soccer. I like soccer, but not enough to dedicate real time to perfecting it. I’d rather perfect my dancing.

    My Dad was never one to tell me I was great at something if I wasn’t. Once at a social dance there was one other couple dancing on the floor next to my partner and I. We were the only ones. They stopped first after mucking up a move. My Dad’s response? “Had this been a competition setting and they didn’t stuff up, they would have won” He even does this when my partner and I are practising in the kitchen.

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  41. lacer

    My son goes to a selective high school. There are no weekly merit awards. They give out awards half year and end of year. The top 2 in each subject get an award. If you have topped every subject you get the award. The awards are not for favouritism. I love it and I don’t care if he doesn’t get one because someone else has earned it. It’s like the real world if you didn’t earn it, you don’t get it. Sporting trophies on the other hand are for participation, generally they will have extra trophies for best player or most improved. There does come a time when you think where are we going to put all these trophies.

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    • fifif

      i think that is pretty common across all high schools

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      • lacer

        No our local high school gives merits out constantly, just like in primary school.

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  42. Tiger cub's mum

    This year mr 5 started school, it was heartbreaking to watch him sit there and see his little face shatter the first time he didn’t win an award but he has now learnt that for someone to come first someone has to come last and the most important thing is that you try your best, and sometimes you win, and sometimes you don’t and if you friend wins you shake their hand and say well done mate. This to me is so much more important than a trophy cabinet or an award book full of certificates

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    • Tania

      I was HOPELESS at sports. I remember a specific sports carnival that my mum was at when I was about 7. I came last (again) and I was upset. Mum pulled me aside and said “for someone to come first someone must come last. You will be better at other things in life where someones place will be last for you to be first. It all evens out”. When I read you comment I got a bit teary as often refer to my mum telling me this. I know that when my little Miss 4 comes last I will happily takie my mum’s advise and pass it on.
      Thanks for reminding me of that wonderful memory :)

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    • katehunter

      My son, when asked what he wants to do when he grows up, replies, ‘Play for the Brisbane Lions’. This is a worry, because he’s quite an ordinary under 11s footy player. Still, he loves it and has a knowledge of the game that far exceeds his skill. I am encouraging him down the sports journalist path because that way, he can be close to the game he loves but keep his beautiful face intact. He now blogs as Big Game Hunter. http://www.mrbiggamehunter.blogspot.com/

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      • Susan As Well

        I feel your concern Kate – my twenty year old son started out playing Auskick with no greater ambition than playing for the Lions and AFL being the passion of his life.

        He hasn’t played for the Lions but has played with them at a pregame function which was fun. He’s played in five Brisbane premierships and received much from AFL, including lifelong friends. He now works for AFL coaching Auskickers and teenage boys and he still plays for his club. He doesn’t really care that he never played for the Lions because he just loves AFL and, as he gotten older, that’s what really mattered to him.

        Good luck to your little boy and I really hope he gets as much from AFL as my son did/has/still does.

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  43. christinedavie

    i def would have answered this differnetly BC – before children…. then i would have said toughen up kids – we dont all get trophies – i never did why should you…now i see it differently……

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  44. Anja

    I just read this really interesting article about success in children: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/18/magazine/what-if-the-secret-to-success-is-failure.html?ref=general&src=me&pagewanted=all

    It talks about how character is just as important as IQ in being successful in life, which is sort of what you were talking about in this piece.

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  45. Anonymous

    You also see it played out at kids’ parties where nowdays EVER wrapper in the pass the parcel has to have a prize. So the poor parent doing the music has to be remembering who already has something and timing it so noone misses out.

    I went to assembly at my children’s school the other day and people were given certificates for practising their violins!

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    • Lolly

      Not at my kids’ parties. One prize at the end, and the music wasn’t stopped on the birthday child’s turn, it was random. Kids still had fun, the anticipation was awesome.

      Again on birthday parties – what is going on with this ridiculous trend to invite the WHOLE class????? Four or five friends, that should be it. That way it teaches kids, sometimes you get an invite, sometimes you don’t – just like real life.

      Totally agree that there are far too many awards given out at school. Especially when I often saw them shoved carelessly into school bags or left crumpled in a tidy box. I know teachers have a private joke with awards for naughty kids – they often get the ‘good handwriting’ award!!!

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  46. Megan

    Praise the effort not the outcome, because trying their best and knowing that you are proud of them is all that matters.

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  47. MelGardener

    The role of the parent is not to point out a child’s weaknesses – they will come across plenty of people in their lives who will do that quite happily.

    I have no problem with encouraging my kids to work hard and I’ll not apologise for cheering for them when they do well. But my emphasis is not on how well they do compared to others – it’s on whether they have done the best they can. I think it’s possible, as a parent, to express to a child that you can see areas for improvement – after all, don’t we do this every day when we correct something like their manners? – without dampening their self esteem. It’s all in the approach.

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    • MissT

      “my emphasis is not on how well they do compared to others – it’s on whether they have done the best they can.”

      Well said. Much better than my rant.

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    • jobassett

      Thank you Mel, for capturing what was in my mind.

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  48. missamoo

    I went to a ballet school that they only trophy you got was if you got and honours on an exam end of story!! I was that child in fact one year i got one for classical and one for modern and then a scholarship. Yay me? well no because as my older sister was at the school she wasn’t as gifted i had to learn to be a gracious winner and limit the praise to the event. However the kick in the teeth i got when i went to fulltime ballet. Holy crap talk about big fish small pond transferred to small fish BIG pond. In my defence on of those girls has been a principal at the Australia Ballet for the last 10 years. But i digress i was talented but was constantly being shown that if you want it you gotta work!
    The concept that every child is always a winner concerns me what happens when the word comes into the childs life and mummy can’t stop you from failing? That scares me imagine being 12 and for the first time you are not a winner?? I remember the first time i didn’t get an honours i wanted to quit because i wasn’t the best but mum made me finish the year as i was already committed to the concert and history shows i stayed. Every setback makes you stronger and more thoughtful

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  49. casdekker

    I was at a national sporting event with my child on the weekend just gone. Most categories there were more than 3 competitors – age range was from about 5 through to 70 years old.

    There was only gold, silver & bronze awarded for each category.

    And i did not see one child who did not medal become upset that they didn’t get a prize. They all accepted that was the judges decision and the best on the day were rewarded.

    We can’t all be winners:)

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  50. MissT

    I hate the “everyone’s a winner” idea. Everyone is not a winner. I’m all for encouraging children but I have serious fury over watching people praise their kids for being mediocre. That’s how you teach them to be mediocre!

    Kids need to learn that there will always be someone better than them. Teaching them otherwise, or teaching them there is no competition, is not going to arm them with the skills they need when they become adults.

    This is all linked in with my fury over the praise of “good girl” rather than “you did really well at that”. So when they don’t do well, they’re bad?

    Recently I was listening to a child read and she got a word wrong. She stumbled, said it twice. On the second try it was still wrong but her mother just said “very good!”. I wanted to scream “Keep trying until it’s RIGHT!”

    Ok… I’m sorry. I have exploded on the screen a bit here.

    I might be slightly (read: extremely) tired & cranky right now. I also don’t have children.

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