I was privy to a conversation among women the other day, during which they were getting all misty-eyed after having spent time with a bloke who had just become the father of twins.
“He held one of the babies in his arms for a whole hour,” said one breathlessly. “He’s such a good dad“. Really? I found myself thinking. Is that all it takes? Is the bar really that low? Is that all blokes need to do to impress upon you our worthiness as parents? Because frankly ladies, you are doing yourselves a disservice. It’s attitudes like these that allow us to get away with blue murder.
Probably because our forefathers did so very little about the house in the way of child-rearing, modern day dads still only need to make a token effort every now and then or worse, just be seen to be making a token effort to be showered in accolades. Witness the outpouring of sympathy a friend recently received when his wife spent a rare couple of nights away from the family home. Neighbours rallied with home-cooked meals, friends and relatives bombarded him with unsolicited offers of babysitting while doubtless, far away in Canberra, an emergency meeting of the Australian Of The Year panel was being convened.
Or the gushing admiration mates and I receive whenever we venture to the shops or playground alone with the kids to give our wives a break. It’s our one, comparatively tiny contribution to the child-wrangling all week, a small window of shamelessly high-profile parenting, and we’re all but given a ticker-tape parade.
Then there are the dads who are nominated for Nobel Prizes by women because they read to their child every night or make it home for bath time. Rarely by their wives, mind you, the harried, permanently-dazed, primary carers whose herculean efforts each day go largely unheralded.
Ladies, allow me to let you in on a secret: if your fella’s a keeper, he’s already feeling guilty about how much of the burden of parenting you shoulder. Unless he’s Neanderthal, your man is acutely aware there’s a massive debt owed. And just because fathers of yore were considered sensitive and new age if they only drank four schooners down the local pub instead of twenty eight while you were busy in the labour ward doesn’t mean you should be making a song and dance about those of us who occasionally strap on a Baby Bjorn.
There’s little doubt the sharing of parenting duties between the sexes has evened out compared to 30 years ago, yet as long as the female apologists exist for male parenting efforts that are token at worst and minimal at best, blokes are still largely getting off scot-free. Which is good news if you have a Y-chromosome. At ease gentlemen. The bar is still low.
Here’s a gallery of some celebrity dads looking after the kids.

David Beckham with son Cruz
This piece was first published in the Daily Telegraph.
Bryce Corbett is Associate Editor of the Australian Women’s Weekly.
What about you, have you noticed men getting a disproportionate amount of child-raising credit? Why?







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I must be very lucky as my father not only taught me to cook but he also taught me to sew!
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This is something I have been saying forever. I am so sick of women saying they can’t do it all – have a career and kids etc and then turn around and say well my husband takes care of the kids one night a week…
If people don’t expect men to do the work then they won’t. Society needs to change. It needs to recognise the importance of the father. In Germany they have govt funding Paternity leave as well as Maternity leave for about 3 months. If you don’t take it, you’re seen as weird, as if you don’t love your kids enough. That should be our lifestyle as well!
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A little off topic but my husband and I really wish that we could both work part time and share looking after the kids. In my husbands field of work part time does not exist. I would love to increase my work hours and he would love to decrease his. It’s a shame there is not more flexibility for men in the workplace.
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Здравствуйте!
Хочу продать магнитофон, может кто сможет подсказть где лучше всего оставить объявления?
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Ladies, for once can you stop complaining about how hard it is to raise kids. If you can’t handle it, DON’T HAVE THEM. If you stay at home and your husband works to support you, then cut him some slack. Seriously. I’m sure kids are hard work, but imagine how he feels, he not only works to make sure you are looked after, but he also works to make sure you and your children have a roof over your heads. If you don’t like it, get a job and put the kids in day care for a few days of the week. Women these days expect too much.
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Well said I agree with every word!
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You never know how hard it is to raise kids unless you have them. It’s the hardest job you will ever have. But it is also the most rewarding. I find your comment so ignorant.
“women these days expect too much” WTF? Is expecting to be recognised for what do asking too much?
I certainly don’t spend my days on the couch. I am on the go all day everyday! And yes, my partner works and provides which is so great, but what is so wrong with me expecting (that dreaded dirty word…) to share the childcare on the weekends?
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Do you have children Kate?
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Kate doesn’t have kids “I’m sure kids are hard work”
– I’m amazed that some folk feel they can contribute to a discussion when they have no idea what they are talking about. Lets see if “Kate” feels the same when or if she has kids.
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haha parentless people commenting on how easy is it to be a mother…priceless
Like Julia Gillard preaching about parenting and saying how easy it is for woman to get back into the workforce with little kids and how inexpensive childcare is * rollseyes*
people who have no idea should shutup and wait to comment after they have some first hand experience instead of being a troll preaching
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Its posts like this that make me remember that I live in a paralell universe where I’ve never had a complaint about the 50/50 thing (not a perfect marriage! plenty of other things to moan about lol).
It just never occurred to either of us that it would be any other way. Its been different configurations. I’m currently battling on maternity leave picking up from my previous 30% of the housework from when I was at work and doing longer hours…god its boring! I have been repeatedly telling him I’d forgotten how boring it was and thank you for carrying that particular load for the last 3 years.
I do definitely take Bryce’s point about the glamour of it all for a bloke. I refuse to so much as agree when my mother and others bang on about Big Fella being ‘so good’ for taking Red Rocket to the doctor, or a day off work for her being sick or taking her to a party or the fact that I didn’t bath her til she was 1 (wasn’t my job lol). It doesn’t make him ‘good’ – its just shit that needs doing! Until I get my ticker-tape parade I’m not giving them away!
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Ex just visited after prompting him that he hasn’t seen our children in a while (he lives locally but doesn’t drop in or call etc… only has them every few weeks for a night or two). He just said he’s putting in for four weeks off work because he’s so tired and wants to catch up on housework. I said “oh that’s fantastic, maybe I should put in for some time off too”… he quickly let me know that he will be doing things in that time and won’t be available for babysitting.
So this article is about women who have the bar too low and who praise men too much for doing such a small amount. How about an article that gets to a core issue… why some men who choose to have children do not realise that they also have to accept the responsibility of parenting. It’s a verb, a doing word… not a noun, label or badge of honour (although I’m sooo lucky to be a parent and I love it! I’m exhausted from running around everywhere being a full time home educating mother who has 2 hours off per week when a family member babysits and I attend a class). While visiting he grilled the children questions like a test master (which they really didn’t like and didn’t touch on all that they know… just what he knew and was interested in), had a coffee and made chit chat about all the things he’s interested in atm. Meanwhile I fed the cat, got changed, put things away, made afternoon tea, made coffees, got our daughter back into her assignment and taught our son some more addition. Put out the bins, cleaned some dishes, found hands on materials to help our son, helped him through his work, pasted his finished work away in his book, put materials away and then talked to our children about the work they’ve done, discussed the work for tomorrow and listened to them talk about their friends (who they are now on Skype chatting too as ‘work’ is done for the day). This was all after being out all morning meeting and talking with people, using maths skills while shopping, learning more about different countries from the Butcher etc etc so much learning from the world and community.
The ex let it slip that he wants to go out tonight, just to the shops. “Oh I think our children would love to go with you” which they do… Will he get a medal? nope… and before he could mention the B… word, I said “we both work very hard but I only get a break from my job when you are actively parenting”. I didn’t say thank you, I don’t think I should thank him for doing his job. What will I do with my hour off? Probably clean!
I’m so glad that other mum’s have partners that accept responsibility and co-parent. So nice to hear.
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HAHA this is so funny – and true (that men get so much praise for looking after their children)!
A friend recently said whenever she has a night out without hubby people ask “Who’s looking after the children?” – um their father!!!
Nobody asks hubby who is looking after the kids when he’s out on the town!
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My partner has 50/50 custody of his daughter from his first marriage. When people hear this, they gush at him about how wonderful it is that he is so involved. He gets very offended. How would YOU like to only get to have your child half the time??! Just because ‘most’ separated dads are deadbeats (actually I don’t think most are, but that’s the public perception) doesn’t mean we should congratulate the good ones for not being deadbeats.
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I go by the theory that work is work whether it is at home or out.
Accordingly, once my husband sets foot through the door (or I do) at the end of the day, it’s 50/50. I cook, you hang out the washing. I clean up, you bathe the kids. You brush teeth while I unstack the dishwasher. This takes care of all the daily routines and at 8.30 – 9pm we can BOTH clock off.
This has worked in all manner of set ups – me at work full time, me at home full time, me at work part time, him at home part time. It’s fair, it’s equal and it does not make value assessments based on how much money you earn.
Works for us anyway
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Good for you Melburn! My husband and I have a similar deal, although I do get sick of people telling me how ‘lucky’ I am – it’s not luck, I wouldn’t put up with anything less and nor would my husband.
That said, in the early days of parenthood he did have a habit of coming home from work, changing one nappy and then telling me it was my turn for the next one. Considering I’d usually changed 6 nappies that day I didn’t appreciate it!
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Classic!
I am known among my mates for a phrase directed at this ‘it ain’t called babysitting if it’s your own kid- its called parenting!”
My husband is absolutely a 50:50 parent to our 3 kids under 4. He’s great, totally hands on and would never complain about the load unless he’s been spending time with my mother or my mother-in-law who constantly blow smoke up his bum about what a hero he is.
Every January he looks after our kids full time for a month while I work a crazy festival job. After this period (despite the fact that I have been working 18hr days for a month straight and he’s been on holidays) he develops the status of Demi-god in our network of family and friends.
It always takes some readjusting – he feels I should be more grateful and I tell him that I am grateful for everything he does over 50%.
I also tell him I’m appreciative of everything he does, often. He’s a great dad and a wonderful husband. But I can’t believe some of the crap my friends put up with from their occasional ‘babysitting’ husbands.
The answer to true equality is to earn similar wages. There is no economic impediment to my husband working more than me, so he doesn’t have the power. The other answer is a bloke secure enough in his own blokiness to not feel emasculated by parenting.
Great post! We have been raised by our mothers to be strong, educated and independent women- yet somehow our generation goes back decades as soon as we start parenting!
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My beef with Dads is sick children. My workplace is 100% female & when the kids are sick who needs the day off? Mums of course! Dads accrue personal leave too! Not saying it’s the Dads fault, some Mums need to trust their partners.
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My beef for sick kids, isnt dad’s , it is work bossess and colleagues of the dad’s. I agree, if one of our children are sick, my husband automatically assumes I will be taking the day off and struggles to understand that sometimes I have meetings I cannot re-arrange. I earn as much as he does, always have as we have progressed our careers, BUT…even if he wanted to stay home and look after the kids is workplace looks down on it, as it is mostly male and as such they all think the wives should do it!
Dad’s do accrue carers leave, but their organisations are less likely to look favourable on them taking it, for a female, it is just expected…
Oh I could rant about this for hours.
But, all in all, when they are sick, especially when little, they just want mum, no one else,just mum to make them feel better. How nice is that! Dad can have the fun, the wrestles etc, but when they are sick, and in need of love, it is mum they want.
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My husband tends to stay home if the kids are sick because his large corporate employer supports him allowing him to work from home, with laptop, conference calls etc.
My boss, a mother of 3 herself in a much smaller organisation doesn’t. In spite of the fact that I have full access to all files and can do everything as easily from home as from the office, if I tell her I’m going to work from home, she requests a leave application. Drives me nuts
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So mums do twice the work do they, for half the credit you scream in the headline. Right. Such a statement of fact that one.
Funny thing is, dads do heaps more paid work than mums, FACT. I would love to see how Mamamia would react to a headline that screams about how men have to do so much more paid work, have to bring home so much more money, for no credit.
The life of a mum at home is not entirely work. There is plenty of down time, be it play group and coffee shop get togethers, kids sleep time, kinder time then school time. FACT
A number of studies in recent years show there is very little gap in the time spent ‘working’, it is just divided differently based on roles. FACT.
Women get patronisingly praised when they attempt things they dont normally do too – FACT
The male kicking, gnashing of teeth and frothing at the mouth from the comments so far is a real concern, especially from a site that is so big on equality, respect etc etc.
And as for those saying that it is good to hear a mans point of view. Bryce is editor at Womens Weekly – he knows his target audience and what side his bread is buttered on, and knew what he needed to say to get published in here. I find the whole thing really sexist and one sided to be honest.
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It’s true that mums do get that down time, IF they are lucky enough to have their children sleeping at the same time. If not, you are still ‘on’. I will say though that most naptimes are catch up times – dishes, ironing, washing, dinner prep. I think you’ll find that most mums get excited about being ae to go to the toilet alone, ducking out to the shop alone, chatting on the phone or out with a friend, without a tagalong. Coffee shops with toddlers can be very trying.
One thing I’ve found to work when I am trying to present my point of view is not to be facetious or use accusatory tones. I am much more likely to be heard if I present my ideas with a polite, thoughtful tone. It might be something to think about. Shouting “FACT!” over and over is not likely to win friends and influence people.
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‘Dads do half the work and get twice the credit’. Hey, I got home 90 minutes ago after a 15 hour day earning a living for my family. When I see crap like this headline staring me in the face, I get cranky. No apology for that, if Mamamia stuck to facts rather than baseless sensationalism aimed at razzing up the target market in here, I would be less cranky about it. Plenty in here get cranky when women are attacked, it can work both ways.
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But, see, you clearly work very hard! It is good to be confident in who you are and what you do. I think the point of this article is for those who come home and relax until it is time for work again, while their wife soldiers on. If you are clearly not like that then this is not directed at you! I think the point is to self-evaluate and also look at ways we can help each other more, love to our fullest in practical ways. We are all on the same team in a marriage!
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So you got home 90 minutes ago after a 15 hour day. Um, wouldn’t it support your case more if you were actually helping your partner with your kids or maybe helping with preparing dinner or something vaguely useful to your partner. Now I reckon that is FACT.
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so very judgemental, as is taught in feminism 101.
I was interstate on business, as my job requires it from time to time, in order that I bring home a wage and keep my family. is that ok with you?
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So, women get praised for doing things they normally don’t do, hey? Goodness. I work, raise children, go to the gym, cook, clean, wash, vacuum, mow, do the accounts, attend all extra-curricular school activities, arrange the family’s work/school/social lives, fix the cars and study. In short, I do everything. Geez, no wonder I haven’t been praised in a while. Perhaps I should take up hang-gliding in my spare time to get my pat on the head..?!
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It’s also true that people (men and women) in the workforce get downtime as well … morning teas, training days, lunches, chats with colleagues, golf days etc.
Mums have 15 hour days too just like you did today Anonymous and they get tired and cranky too when Dads come home and plop themselves on the couch for the rest of the night, while they work on into the night all on their own for the sake of the family. That was a sad, frustrating fact in my life.
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‘I find the whole thing really sexist and one sided to be honest.’
So situation normal then?
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have you ever actually been to a playgroup? you have to watch your own kids there too you know. i have two kids 3 years apart ing age and i swear it’s more work going to playgroup than staying at home. especially having to keep older kids from trampling your toddler.
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FACT.
I earn more than a lot of Dads.
I work more hours than a lot of Dads
Get your FACTS right.
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I am surprised, if you earn more than most, that you dont get the concept of an average It is actally quite a useful thing for understanding societies norms.
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It’s Mothers’ in Law who are the problem! Apparently I’m terrible because my partner has to do too much of the child rearing (ie. he picks them up from day care because I work later than he does!) Never mind that I rouse them out of bed, feed, clean and dress the little blighters and get them out of the house every morning without third party assistance.
He’s their Dad! It’s what he signed up for!!
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This is true. But having said that, I prefer the morning routine to the evening.
No cooking. Less dishes. No bath. No same bedtime storybook for the 73rd fricken’ time. Kids fresher.
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I was very lucky with my husband when our children were infants. He would come home from work and take both kids off my hands while I cooked the evening meal. After the meal he would bath the kids and once they were in bed he would then clean up from our meal and do the dishes.
I only used cloth nappies and he washed them, pegged them out to dry and bought them in.
He never used to do any other chores but as he had to go to work everyday and I was a SAHM I was very happy for what he did do. It was so good to be able to “knock off work”, once I had cooked the evening meal, knowing that he would take care of everything else.
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My Husband and I have a pretty 50/50 relationship when it comes to parenting and housework, as much as it can be 50/50 when I’m a SAHM and he works full time. He always helps with the cleaning, gets up with our daughter in the morning so I can sleep in an extra hour and because he wants the one-on-one time with her, comes home and gives her a bath. I love him for that. If I’ve had a really crappy day he’ll come home early and send me off to bed so I can relax and not have a meltdown.
The only time we really butt heads when it comes to parenting is when we don’t feel like we’ve each, individually, spent enough time with our daughter. He always steals her away for cuddles and dad and daughter time!
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So glad to hear that at least one bloke gets ‘it’.
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Me too. And I really enjoy Bryce’s writing – hope we have more of it soon.
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I just love it when my husband is on holidays and offers to do the grocery shopping. When I suggest he take a child or two along with him, he always refuses because they will make it too stressful for him. And last time he did take one of our kids with him I got text messages telling me what a great help he is…..I dont get any admiration and praise when I take them all to the supermarket with me!
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A man in my town got an award for founding and convening a dads’ playgroup. Big whoop-de-doo. I’ve been convening a playgroup I founded for 3 frickin years, and no-one’s giving me an award. Because it’s what mums do. And it’s actually not that hard!
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Love this! It’s absolutely true that women are the ones responsible for how low the bar is set. I think if your partner isn’t pulling his weight, don’t stew over it and then rant online or to your girlfriends, say something to him! Women also need to learn to let go. Men might not do things how you want them to, but how are they going to learn if you don’t let them try? It’s 2012, not 1950.
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Oh of course. It’s my fault. Perfect.
Do you think saying something to him helps? When does it start to help? Have been saying something every day or two for 6 years now. When does it change the behaviour exactly?
Let go? Let go and live in a mess? And learn to be happy in the mess do you mean?
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Agree a million times over Lottie
Just how long do you leave a child sitting in a dirty nappy waiting for Dad to do his bit while you have the other child at your nipple? Asking politely, pleading, begging, getting frustrated and blowing your noodle? … Tried it all katepiasecka.
Let go? I don’t care how he changes the nappy, washes the dishes, reads a book to the kids … he can do it stark naked and standing on his head for all I care … Just Do It.
Enabling? My fault? You’ve got to be f***ing kidding me.
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I wasn’t going to reply to these comments because it isn’t my place to comment on someone else’s relationship dynamics.
All I can say is that if my child was in a position where there was a chance she would be left in a dirty nappy because of her father or if there was even a CHANCE she would live in a filthy house because her father was too much of a lazy selfish slob to clean up after I had communicated to him that this is what I wanted him to do, then I would remove myself and my child from that situation.
I stand by my comment and I refuse to allow this to become a long winded debate. To each their own.
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Kate, I think you raise a good point. I know I do like things done a certain way with my boys and could be more articulate to ask for help when I need it rather than furiously brooding some days!!!
Lottie & Susan as Well, I don’t think Kate was meaning that we’re enabling the men in the extreme sense nor that it’s all our fault. She just brought up a couple of valid contributing factors that MAY apply to SOME of us…like me!!!
I do love this article though – my mum is constantly telling me how amazingly lucky I am because my husband changes a couple of nappies and stacks the dishwasher – compared to my dad’s old school ways, he is pretty great, but there is still some room for improvement!!! ; )
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I cannot agree that all intelligent men actually realise there is a debt owed to the primary carers of their children. My husband and I come to blows regularly over this – he often tries to convince me that he does more with the kids than any of his mates – which is true of his mates whose partners stay at home and possible but not likely to be true amongst his mates whose partners also work.
I work 3-4 days per week (we have 1 child at school and one at preschool for 3 days a week – 9-3) and I do everything except take out the rubbish and make school lunches – we even have a mower man included in the rent. And, one day a week he drops them off at their respective schools and collects them at 3pm. You should hear the carry-on when people find out he makes school lunches – and you should hear the disapproval when I try to point out that it does not make him dad of the year!!
I (politely) refuse to take any credit for the situation as I have been fighting against this attitude for 6 years. I know for a fact that his mum thinks I should just get on with it and manage it myself and only this morning the Director at Kindy mentioned his lunch making skills (Lil must have told her) and thought I should be eternally grateful.
I don’t mean to sound hard done by because I do have a happy and fun life but I just cannot agree that he feels any guilt or even gratitude. I recently tried to add vacuuming once a week to his list of tasks and for the 3rd week in a row he prioritised another task that he felt needed doing more, he swept the front step last Saturday – apparently you only need to do one job per weekend!
I don’t feel that I let him get away with anything but there is a point that I have to stop fighting – in the meanwhile I am putting my foot down re the vacuuming and leave it for him to do on Saturday while I go out for lunch with my friends!
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I hear ya on the school lunches! My husband does them too. When I first asked him to do them, his comment was (like for most domestic chores) ‘yep, that’s easy’. ‘Of course it’s bloody easy’ I answered, ‘ but it’s the monotonous repetition that kills ya!’ Anyway, now he does the school lunches every day…and moans about it, just like I used to!
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I make my kids make their own lunches. I can’t stand making them. One is in grade 2, and the other one is in prep. It’s a revolution. And I’m leading it.
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Like! Will join this revolution!
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My husband does the lunches as well and I have to say the comments and ooohhhs and ahhhhs he gets are unbelievable. I have suggested swapping the school lunches for all of my household jobs (the lunches are his – just the lunches) and he’s said no. He knows he’s on a good thing.
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Ha! Same as my husband, i have to remind him every night to do the lunches…not sure why. Maybe if I dont and send the kids to school with empty lunchboxes might get him to ‘remember’.
But anyhow, we whinges at times, and I also ask him if he would like to swap and do the ironing/washing/dinner dishes/packing bags for next day stuff, he also says NO.
Sometimes you would think I just sit on the lounge painting my nails whilst he does the lunches. And YES he seems to get lots of kudo too for his lunch making skills. I say..Hey, there his kids too, surely he has to ensure they EAT as well!
He also at times informs me of how much more he does than his other mates. My response to that is that I didn’t marry his mates, I would never have dates his mates as I can see what they are like, they are not my type of guy, he is my type of guy and his input into our family is what I value. He can stop, but best ensure one of his mates will witness the divorce papers.
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My husband is an awesome husband and daddy. He comes home, rolls up his sleeves and gets stuck in. I truly appreciate him.
I would say that the reason we have such a successful marriage is that both of us have the same goal. ‘How can I make his/her life easier? How can I best look after her/him today?’ If both parties are 100% committed to giving 100% everyone is a winner.
I have friends whose husbands do very little. Once the get home from work they feel their day is ‘done’, and expect a hot meal, dishes done, clean clothes and other marital benefits. They can’t believe my husband gets home, finishes any chores I didn’t get to (like unpacking groceries, taking down and folding laundry, putting away all the toys) and always doing bathtime, bedtime and dinner dishes.
Honestly? I would expect nothing less. We’re a team, and we all work together to make the home run and life happy.
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I love this comment SO much, Valerie.
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I hasten to add that neither of us are perfect – far from it! – but on the whole we’ve got each other’s backs.
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Valerie – I think you’ve hit the nail on the head. A good partnership has to be about each of you being constantly conscious of doing whatever you can to make the other’s load lighter. Whether you are the bread winner or the primary carer or a little of both, it’s got to be about being constantly aware that there is something you can do to make your partner’s load a little lighter .. And then, as I say, not expecting a ticker tape parade when you do it.
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Yes – that’s it! I honestly am suprised when friends are so impressed with what my husband does at home. I expect him to give as much as he can! Not in a demanding way – it’s just that if we both work hard in the evening we both get to sit down earlier and relax- together! Much more fun.
A little gratitude does go a long way, however, especially for the routine tasks one partner always does. For us it’s the basic household chores that I do, and for him it’s winning the bread. I must remember to thank him, often! I agree no one needs a ticker tape parade!
One thing that always bugs me though is that if I am out and about and he is home, I nearly always get asked, “Is your husband babysitting?” “Uh, no! He’s the dad!!” I have never been asked if I am babysitting when am with my child….
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when i was pregnant my attitude was that anything i could do with our son my husband could too…. apart from the breastfeeding
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and 15 months later i stand by it, especially since i was so sick after our little boy was born that my husband did first feed, first cuddle, first nappy (and all of them in the hospital!), first bath. he got a lot of instruction and support from the midwives seeing as he had no idea how to do some of those things. but he did them.
i won’t deny that we each have things that we are ‘better’ at doing. i have more success with toothbrushing and he is better at teaching our son to feed himself with cutlery. but that’s just real life really.
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Call me crazy but I love doing things around the house – cooking, cleaning, laundry – love it. I feel it helps me clear my mind, like going for a run. But let me say, I expect the work to be shared. No if, butts or maybes. If you don’t do your part then don’t expect to be cooked for, clean clothes or a tidy room!
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A lot of guys think they do their fair share because they do the ‘traditional’ male tasks at home such as mowing and taking the bins out. There is a big difference between these ‘traditional’ male household tasks and the ‘traditional’ female tasks of cooking, cleaning, laundry etc. The bins is a once a week task and the lawns can be left for a fair while with no ill effects. Why women feel so bogged down with ‘their’ tasks is that they are so unsatisfying and unyielding. The family must eat every day, wear clean clothes, live in a reasonably clean home. These are groundhog day tasks. Unlike mowing the lawn where you get to stand back and enjoy how great it looks and its not going to be messed up again within a matter of hours.
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When my daughter started at prep two years ago my husband would pick her up from school every Friday afternoon. The accolades her received for this effort from other mothers were astounding. Nobody praised me for turning up 5 mornings and four afternoons every week.
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Because men can be so bloody useless we need to encourage them to keep going. Excactly like children lol.
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Hah, yes the chores blokes prefer – vacuuming and mowing. The ‘high-profile’ chores, I call them. Hubby never notices my gleaming skirting boards (or my sore red knees)..but you mowed the verge? Wow, high-five to you..!
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JL – love it – “the high profile chores” – so true
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OMG! Yes! So true, all it takes is for boys to come home and the freshly cleaned house looks like a cyclone just came through.. No chance of that with a mown lawn…
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Bryce is a clever man in many ways, and undoubtedly one who got very lucky the night this way published.
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Good luck to him then
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Carmen: true that. Though (and at the risk of sounding like a Hallmark card or some mawkish midday movie) I get lucky pretty much every day knowing I have a superhero wife who carries the lion’s share of the parenting duties – which, let’s be honest, while ultimately rewarding, can be tedious, repetitive and mind-numbing. I don’t pretend to be any kind of super dad or super husband – but I think a little bit of self-awareness goes a long way in any relationship.
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yes, the bar is low.
signed, A Mum
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I think some commentators below miss the point. This article isn’t bashing men, it’s bashing women.
I’m accutely aware of the low bar for Dadhood. But every commentator below who says “Oh yeah, that’s my husband, he does nothing at home, goes to the park with the kids and is a hero” I say “Fucking awesome it would be, to be your husband”. You are the enablers of the bad behaviour – your problem, not your fellas.
This article isn’t saying men are lazy, it’s saying men are smart.
Thought I do disagree with the article on some points – I see nothing wrong with encouraging Dads to do more. Isn’t that the point?
So what if a Dad gets props from Mums for knowing how to plait hair? Dads give Mums props when they step outside their normal parenting role – the prime example is Mums who rough and tumble play with their kids in public (rare as hen’s teeth).
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Totally agree – I think lots of people have missed the point. This article is criticising the women, not the men.
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My husband would agree with you. He’s always said going to work is a doddle compared to staying at home doing the kids/chores thing and that guys knowingly get away with murder on the home front. And yes, he’s a keeper.
When I hear other mothers complain about how little their fellas do around the house I have no probs disclosing this little ‘men’s secret’. Alas some fathers are like children themselves and simply deny, deny, deny. Common excuses include “You don’t appreciate the pressure I’m under at work” and “Don’t I deserve a break, too?” (as they head off to golf/fishing/bike riding/canoing – most women don’t have time for a hobby). And yes, their guilt-stricken wives buy it every time..
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Ha! I would have said the idea of staying home is so hard is a massive beat up, designed to keep blokes at work.
Dads who don’t help out (or are kept away from it on purpose) are usually flummoxed by child caring – for a few days. After that, it just gets sorted like any other problem: a plan, routine and follow through.
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To be honest , I agree that if you’re well organised, childcare and housework become “easy”. They are, though, repetitive and not well appreciated. There’s been days when I’ve thought, “thank god I’m going to work” as that’s easier to handle than staying at home. Interestingly one day shortly after my fourth was born and all children were crying for various reasons, my husband said to me”please don’t die” fairly seriously. We were both on the same wavelength as I was thinking “what have I done?”
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Well, having had both worked in an office and stayed at home, I know who gets the sweeter deal. And I’ve heard plenty of both dads and mums say “thank god I’m going to work tomorrow.” Looking after a household well is generally busy, repetitive and isolating. If I strapped pedometers to hubby (an office worker) and me, guaranteed I would literally run rings around him in the physical stakes.
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Couldn’t agree more
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Frankly, *anyone* who can plait my daughter’s hair will get applause from me.
Oh, and, I agree.
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Disagree. I expected my former husband to do his fathering stuff and he never did. Being a totally aware and knowledgeable woman of the times (lol), I stood back so he could develop his fathering skills while I developed my mothering skills and he never came forward. Not an inch. In fact, he lost energy after the first child was born – but he and I both wanted a family of children and we had more. We had years of discussion, arguments, stand-offs, sulk sessions. His standard comment was that he didn’t want people laughing at him while he learnt to be a father. At least, he was honest but I was then left with a pretty big problem which he wasn’t going to help me with. I certainly didn’t enable him but I couldn’t force him to do the fathering either.
I wonder sometimes if there are other men who are afraid of being laughed at for their parenting skills.
Perhaps, women end up appearing to be the enablers when they don’t have any other option. I absolutely would not criticise my former husband in public (or in private … must keep encouraging and being positive) for not pulling his weight and maybe people thought I was enabling him too.
And at the centre of it all are children you both created and who need parenting from both parents. Gah, that was one of the most frustrating times of my life.
There’s more to this than meets the eye, as usual.
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In either case, more than the simplistic article and comments.
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gosh I hope you are not still putting up with this
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YES.
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I notice women don’t do this much too. I rough & tumble with my toddler! He loves it. more than my husband I think. I had 3 brothers, he was an only child for 13 years….I see both mums & dads sitting on their backside so much during ‘playtime’. Yes kids should play by themselves, or with other kids, but I also like to play with them..I see lots of dads doing quality ‘kid time’ at a play centre on weekends (my hubby works nightshift so we have to take ourselves off). Lots of them sit there reading the newspaper while the kids are amusing themselves. I often think the wives are probably at home vacuuming thinking it is so great the husbands are ‘helping out’.
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I went to Bali last year for 10 days with some girlfriends. MY OWN MOTHER offered to cook my husband and kids meals for when I was gone once I told her I didn’t plan to.
The really stupid thing is that my husband is a waaaaay better cook than my mother. Sigh.
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My mother offered to cook meals for my husband when I went away *with* our kid. (I told her he would be fine on his own thanks very much)
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My MiL flew overseas to look after my husband and kids when I was at a conference – overnight!
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Dear god, I hope it was a short flight!! :O
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My mum does my husbands ironing because it’s my job! He’s wrapped because I hate ironing full stop and would never get around to doing any of it. He struggles when mum’s on holiday.
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I don’t know your relationship with your MIL… but in many cases I can imagine a MIL jumping at the chance to spend some alone time with their son & grandchildren without the DIL… “looking after” them while you were at the conference may have been just an excuse. I feel sorry for my MIL sometimes: my Mum gets so much time with me & the children whereas MIL rarely gets to spend time alone with my husband & the children because weekend time is so precious, whereas my Mum & I are available during the week.
Slightly off topic but I bet it’s just as tough being a MIL as it is being a DIL!
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I never thought of it like that. Thanks! This attitude is much nicer.
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I had a laugh at the comment about the ticker tape parade guys get. Dare I say it, it is the mother in law that is often the person at the front of the parade?? They think they have raised such a wonderful son (who after a whole lot of harrassment finally took the kids somewhere for a couple of hours so that the mother can probably just catch up on the washing) that he deserves to hear about it at length. Unfortunately it is usually the wife that has to listen to this as well, and if she was to dare to suggest that maybe he didn’t deserve the parade she would be looked at as though she was the most ungrateful, sour person in the world. Biting the tongue can be very very hard to do sometimes! I don’t want to hear what a great guy my husband is – and he doesn’t need the head swell he gets from it!
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Oh yes, the mother in law definitely does this in my house! My husband did the dusting and vacuuming once whilst I went grocery shopping. Listening to my MIL, you’d think he had just discovered a cure for cancer. She was so proud of ‘her boy’!
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You totally nailed it with this reply!!! I completely agree!!
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You are so right.!
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Love this post! My MIL is definitely guilty of heaping the praise on my husband’s brothers for any little thing they do to help out their wives with their kids. I have no idea if she does the same thing to my hubby – she doesn’t do so in my hearing at least!
My hubby definitely does half the work I do as far as the kids and the housework go, but he certainly doesn’t get twice as much praise for it. Although I do tend to praise him and thank him over much on the rare occasions that I go away overnight and leave him to look after them. I figure he’ll be more receptive to doing it again sometime if I really gush about it!
I also hate it when dads refer to looking after their kids as babysitting. My hubby wouldn’t dare make that slip-up in my presence
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Oh, I agree. If you’re looking after your own kids it’s just called PARENTING.
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My husband is an awesome Dad and houseman! We own a business and at home he would do way more cleaning laundry and gardens than i do…i have a few little physical problems and he just gets it all done quick and without fuss…but i dont ever go on and on about what a wonderful housedad he is……cos seriously…if i do the same stuff i just do it and no one high fives me for it, so he doesnt need a hi five for doing stuff that woman have been doing for ever without any credit!!
He actually is a great dad… He takes our son to the beach or a park or bike riding or whereever and actually plays with him, he runs around and throws the ball and makes our child laugh….i a do similar things in the fact that we make crafts and cook and read together and giggle…i cant do physical things as much but my husband always makes time for our child..always! and this makes him a great dad!
But i dont walk around telling everyone he is the king of all dad’s because i dont need to….he is not a great father for the public…he is a great father for our child! He gets hi fives for it when our little man cuddles him and laughs with him!
I hear woman go on and on about how fabulous their husband is cos they spent 20 minutes reading to their child…honestly thats crap! thats not a great dad….My husband is an actual great dad, and many people comment to me about how amazing he is with our son and other kids…i always agree…but i always tell them that he has no choice but to be a great dad….i personally wouldnt marry a man that gets home from work and sits on his ass and does nothing more for the rest of the night…my dad was like this and even though he was funny and i love him, i wanted him to play in the pool with us on the weekend and sometimes it happened but it should have been something that was happening every day..My husband will always play in the pool!
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This article reminds me of my pet hate, when I hear women say that the father of their children is ‘babysitting’ as if he is doing them a favour if he has the kids on his own. A father looking after his own children is not ‘babysitting’ he is being a father and this should not be exceptional!
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OHHH i hate that too!!!
And i cant believe some men cant even be by themselves with their kids…WTF is that??? like their mum has to come and help!
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Learned helplessness is what it is called.
My former husband, father of our three children, called contact weekends “babysitting” when he could be bothered having them. Grrrrrrr.
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New term of the decade.. ‘learned helplessness’ is making lots of sense.. I totally agree… v funny….though beware history does not repeat with our boys…eeek!
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There just needs to be more communication between partners. One thing I have found with my husband (who has a tendency to sit back), is to just ask for help. No accusations or anything, just a simple request “can you bath the kids tonight?” or whatever help is needed.
It is better than stewing over it… But, you need to accept that they might do things a bit differently….
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Agreed. I was starting to go nuts when after our first baby was born and I was staying home with him my husband would come home from work and just take my lead on everything. So I just handed over the entire bedtime routine (bath, bottle, bed) and it worked really well.
I think because there is that expectation on women, men don’t feel as confident to step up. So I “empowered him” and now I can at least relax when he gets home.
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So if women get patronise praised for doing male oriented tasks its sexist against women, if men get patronise praised for doing a more female oriented task, its also sexist against women. Gotcha.
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I’m lucky, my husband is an excellent father. I work from home so when he gets home of an afternoon he immediately gets the kids. I have a lot of after hours commitments and he takes the kids… because that’s what father’s do! The only problem is, because he does do a lot more than any of the other fathers we know he thinks he’s somehow exceptional/put upon… I have to remind him that no, he’s just a good dad. Not a hero.
Shame he’s a total loss at the housework really.
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Ladies- stop enabling.
And people with sons- break the cycle and teach your boys how to be a real human who cleans up his crap and is involved with his children.
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I so agree!!
My son see’s that my husband does dishes and makes the bed and does laundry everyday and he see’s that my husband works as well!! so he thinks its very normal to make his little bed and take his dishes to the sink! I cant walk too well right now, and my washing machine went off the other day, and my son(4years) ran to the washing machine and emptied it all into the basket and took it to the line! This is a normal thing as well!
So many woman…my mum is one of them, simply think its easier to do things them self….i am not one of these woman….
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I am so thankful that my inlaws raised my husband to be at least self sufficient.
And I also thankful that everything they talk to my husband they remind him to look after me and do more with the kids! I am guaranteed to get a sit-down during bath time after he’s had a call from his sister
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Sorry, but this is just typical of Mamamia. Get some guy to write a man bashing post on some complete TROPE and then get all the good little echoers to jump on board the bait and tell us all how lauded men are.
Phooey.
If I hear another day go by when I DON’T hear “being a stay at home mum is the hardest job in the world” I think I’ll cry.
Numerous studies have found men do more paid work and less housework and women do more house work and less paid work.
Shock and horror right? I mean whodathunkit.
I’m a full on dad and never once have I gotten praise for being a parent, but show me a week that goes by where my wife doesn’t get told how wonderful she is by some form of media or friends and you can pay for my vacation.
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Being a stay at home mum is NOT the hardest job in the world. I work full time now but was a sahm after I first had my children and it wasn’t that hard. It can be emotionally draining at times because you really are at the beck and call of the child but I got to nap when my children did and watch Oprah every day. Generally the house was clean by about 11am and the rest of the day was leisure time! I went back to work because I was bored being at home all day and I’m pretty sure my kids got sick of spending every minute of every day with me.
I do agree with this article that men are praised by women for doing much less than their partners – I have encountered this in my circle of friends. But I definitely agree with you that the media constantly talks about how women are so unbelievably able to do everything and they are supermums. I’ve heard friends praising other female friends for being so capable when I know their husband does most of the housework – people just assume it’s the woman who does it.
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I would argue that a job so boring you couldn’t stand continuing it, is “hard” for exactly that reason.
Jobs in which the repetition levels and responsibility levels are both very high, tend to be the most stressful. This has been proven through a great deal of research on the nature and origins of vocational stress.
Just ask a crane operator.
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Wow I don’t know what kind of child you had but there was never any Oprah or ‘leisure time’ in my SAHM days! It was full on juggling two small boys and endless fights tantrums screaming refusing to nap sleep etc running around refereeing keeping them entertained fed changed etc etc
I find work a breeze in comparison.
But that’s just me and that’s the thing. It’s impossible to generalize about this. Whether work or home is the easy road is such a personal thing and depends on your job, types of children, situation etc
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Totally agree that this is something that we can’t generalise about because everyone’s experiences are so different. I guess that’s why everyone always get so fired up over these topics. My comment related to my own experience of working vs staying at home with kids because my own experience is all I have to draw on.
I do think that there are plenty of mums who talk up and overstate how hard they have it though and the whole “being a sahm is the hardest job in the world” statement just shits me to tears!!
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I agree with you Daniel. This post is just man bashing. The whole point is to give women something to complain about. Cue the Oh, my husband doesn’t help me with the dishes, but we wont hear the oh he earns 80 k to my part time 15k or the he work 60 hours a week. It’s rubbish and its just plain wrong, if anything men who play with their kids at the park are just as often glared at with a suspicious eye. I will never be one of those women who do nothing but complain about men’s shortcomings but rile up as soon as someone should mention women are not perfect. I can tell you I spend more money than my husband too. He spends about 30 bucks a week on beer and races, but I always have coffee & cake three times a week and buy flowers and a couple of bottle of wine and so on. I bet I spend a couple of hundred, but I’m also gravely appreciative. I just don’t understand all the anger towards males on this site.
It’s always about bringing men into the conversation, but then when they defend themselves it’s always “how dare you talk about men here”
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Simoneone from what I have read of the comments so far, the majority are actually praising their husbands and saying they’re a great help.. Not much man bashing – although perhaps a bit of mother in law bashing…
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i don’t think stay at home mums are lauded at all. they’re also not paid for the work they do and it NEVER EVER STOPS. you can’t go home from work and relax! most mums i know work part-time and do the lion’s share of the housework and childcare too. maybe it’s different in your house?
what’s a full on dad? just wondering what goes on in your household. it seems there is a pretty big chip on your should, no offense.
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I agree Shanny. My husband works 55-60 hours a week but because of this I am the one who gets up in the night to settle our little boy! He always says he works hard but I work much harder and my job of looking after our son and starting him on the path to learning is much more important!! And ur right, sahm’s don’t get paid for the hours of work they do. I don’t want to be heaped with praise, but I also don’t think that father’s who are doing WHAT THEY SHOULD BE DOING as father’s should not get heaped with praise either!! My brother-in-law often refers to his time looking after my niece as babysitting, and my MIL heaps the praise on him. I told my hubby if he ever does that…he knows his life is not worth that much!!!
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I call bullshit on your comment. I’ve worked the 55-60 hour weeks and I’ve been a sahm and the staying at home gig was monumentally easier!! Like I said above, it can be emotionally draining, but it’s not that hard. So you have to get up to your child during the night – so you should if you’re the stay at home parent. It’s hardly fair to expect your husband to get up during the night and work the 55-60 hours. Think of all of those parents who do the hours at work plus have to get up during the night. They don’t get the option of one or the other.
As for not being paid to look after your child, of course you’re not! Who would you be paid by?? I’m guessing that is why your husband works such long hours – to pay the bills and support the family.
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I completely agree with Peta, bullshit. When you earn half the money, then expect your husband to do half the work, when you earn 10 percent of the money then expect him to do ten percent of the work, but if he is going out to work to support you and a child then you should appreciate it.
Did you discuss who was getting up for the baby before pregnancy? During? Was it yours or his choice to stay at home? Did he even have a choice in the pregnancy?
Half the house work you do is looking after your own house, getting your own meals and cleaning up after yourself, not to mention the house your husband pays for he doesn’t get to spend 55-60 hours a week in.
Your child is a privilege that you had the complete choice in having. No one is going to pay you for it and fair enough.
I’ve stayed at home as a mum and after a couple of hours house work (and that’s completely cleaning the house), there was little to do. An hour on the phone to friends, coffee dates, mothers groups and personal shopping were not housework, neither was watching TV and I used to tell my husband I was rushed off my feet all day, but the reality was, I wasn’t at all, I was way too efficient to be busy all day. Kids are not tornados unless you are incompetent.
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Wow. What a generalization! So if O earn 60% of the money that comes into the home that means my husband should do 60% of the work??? Yay I’m off to tell him you said so….Btw not all men earn more than their partners….Even working part time.
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Its a bit of a generalisation. How old were your children when you stayed home? I am a single mum. I just left a job that was 80+ hours a week. I couldn’t do it anymore as a mum and so I’m currently looking after my 3 year old daughter full-time whilst doing a bit of freelance. And whoa its so much more work than me working full-time. No, I’m not incompetent. I’m a loving and efficient mother. But the amount of work to be done when a child is 6 months, 1 year… is completely different to a 3 year old. I had so much time to spare with all the daytime naps until she turned 2. No naps, no downtime. I wouldn’t change my life. But don’t tell me that looking after a 3 year old from 7am to 8pm plus the times she wakes up at midnight plus housework is not equivalent to a man working 10 hours in the office.
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well i am clearly incompetent in your eyes!
i go all day, not flat out the whole time but between playing with the kids, dropping and picking up those at school and all the chores as well as socialising with friends/kids for some sanity, i find my day goes really quickly.
it doesn’t stop til after everyone is asleep, and then up during the night once or twice and it starts again at 6.30. i think without doing a lengthy period of being a sahm it is hard to understand how hard it can.
as i said below part of that is knowing you have all but said good-bye to your career and will be starting again when you do go back.
i am happy with my life and glad that i am with my kids in the early years, but it is a long hard thankless slog at times.
i also think you cannot compare the amount of money someone earns with the importance of your job. being a SAHM is a perfect example of that, it is priceless.
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Please let’s remember the dinner party rules here.
Respect. Always. Just like you would expect to be spoken to.
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I agree Peta, my husband works 60 hours a week and gets home at 7 at night has dinner, baths the kids and goes to bed. I can’t see why he should get up for the babies when I can and do take a nanna nap every day for an hour or two. I swear I’m actually starting to empathize with many of the frustrated male commenters here more so than the poor house mums whose woe is getting a little ahead of itself. How about an uplifting piece on women kicking ass, do only women as victim pieces get comments or something?
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I also work 60 hours a week or more. It just happens to involve looking after our children and there are no $ involved. Why is that considered less worthwhile? Why should my husband get to put his feet up when he gets home? At least he sits down most of the day. I don’t. And no such thing as nanna naps in my house.
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What a load of bull some of you talk….. lets take the comment, ‘your kids aren’t tornados unless you are incompetent’ Well that is a bit of an incompetent message in itself. No children are the same some need more attention and stimulation than others and some sahm decide to work themselves hard during the day to get the best out of their children. I can tell you that neither my 21 month old or my very busy 3 year old sleep during the day, so no Nana naps for me, trying to teach a 21 month old quiet time is far fetched. I spend the day reading with them, playing games with them, running with them, cooking with them, teaching the older one things like numbers and letters etc, we don’t have t.v on during the day unless we are sick, t.v is only on first thing in the morning and last thing in the evening. I cook my boys healthy dinners 3 times a day…. and much more, I’m not a chef, nurse, taxi driver, counsellor etc etc by profession I am a loving Mum who works hard to get the best out of her children. I find all the above hard and rewarding at the same time, I love being a Mum and feel bad for my husband that he is in a job he doesnt enjoy. However when you have children you both embark on the journey,sahm’s do what needs doing during the day and when the hubbys get home it then becomes a shared responsibility. I might get half hour if I am lucky to eat my lunch and switch off, as does he on his lunch break. I also have been a 55-60 hour a week worker and I know I found that easier than what I do now. As I think is mentioned earlier there are different degrees of parenting, same way there are different degrees of workers in the workforce. I also spend some of the free time I do get researching on bringing up your children. I think people who say it is easy are either just naturally better parents , parenting to them might be second nature etc. Or possibly in some cases be naturally lazier parents. What I don’t think is that they have the right to judge someone elses comments on working hard with the children and say that is bullshit!! Life is a journey that you chose a partner to embark with you, it is the right of both parents to be able to take time out or a break and switch off, not just one.
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Completely agree Peta. I have just returned to full time work after having my baby 6 months ago. I also now realise how much harder my husband probably had it than me in those 6 months, because I get home from mt 9/10 hr day and just want to sit and relax. I had the attitude when I was at home that “well hubby’s home, he can have the baby for a bit”. I now realise after a long day at work it’s hard and you do just want 10 or so minutes to chill. I praise and will always praise my husband, he has never whinged at anything to do with being a dad, has gone out and supported us and in doing so, only see’s his baby for maybe 2hrs total of a day. To me that’s more tough than staying home watching your children develop and flourish. Sagm’s do a wonderful job raising children, but so fo dads, as I said before, working the hard yards and missing out on a lot.
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get back to me when you have taken 10 years out of your career and then tell me being a SAHM is not hard.
try getting back into the workforce after that 10 years too.
i’m not complaining but it is a huge sacrifice and i don’t think is understood by people who take a few months out of the workforce to care for their kids.
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Luckily there is such thing as a choice; some genders decide whether or not they become parents whilst the other is stuck with their choice but fortunately both can be responsible for whether or not they make a sacrifice and both are able to know what that will be. Providers don’t get anywhere near the acknowledgment of caregivers, but you never here pages and pages and pages of us demanding to be given props. I know many men who wish their wives would just get a job. My wife complained, I hired a cleaner and I do half the remaining house work so now I’m telling her to help me financially.
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i guess the deciding factor is if you want your kids to be at home or in day-care. i am not suggesting every SAHM has it hard, and i agree some dads work full time and come home to a lot of parenting and housework. there is no easy answer and every family is different. i just know for me that i had a great career and (happily) gave it up, bit i totally dread trying to break into it again.
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Sorry, but what the hell is a “full on dad”?
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I got around this problem by not marrying a useless bastard. And then
reinforced it by not re-doing or harassing him to do things my way. Why shouldn’t he do things his way?
One thing that Bryce didn’t mention is the benefit of being a more hands-on Dad- a greatly improved and richer relationship with his children and wife.
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I am with you Mrs Christmas – my guy does so much around the house – sure he doesn’t do it my way, but that is fine because I don’t do things his way. I would rather that he did it in his fashion than I had to re-do it.
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Darby Dempsey? Really, Patrick??!!
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I agree with Bryce – women tend to ‘ooo’ and ‘ahhh’ over simple things men do which I believe they are SUPPOSED to do anway. I wouldnt expect anything less. Most likely their older generations did them no favours in the way of being a good, loving, caring, attentive and helpful husband, however times have changed, societal views have changed and women and men are now seen as equal (in most minds anyway) and workloads/responsibilities SHOULD BE shared 50/50 (or whatever works best in the family situation, without burden ensued all to one sex)! I’m lucky to have a ‘New Age Man’ as I like to call them and my mum is always saying she wants one just like him only her age…however, there seems to be very, very little of them around??!!
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If only this subject was humourous. It ended my relationship. I was juggling a professional job, did all the housework, organised everything for the children while he surfed the net, surfed the waves, had rostered day off every fortnight to which was dedicated to his leisure, relaxed on the lounge in front of the tv after dinner because he was ‘so tired’…..oh and meanwhile putting me down for not doing enough exercise and putting on a bit of weight. !!!!! Lets just say I am happier and a better mum once we split (oh, and a bit thinner too………)
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Was the reason I left too. My ex wasn’t working for most of the time. He never mentioned my weight but I did loose 22 kgs once I moved out. Also when he does have our children (once every three weeks) he has to take care of them. It’s a lot more parenting time than when we all lived together and the children feel as though they ‘have’ a dad now. Nothing like being ignored by a parent to erode your self-esteem! Why only once every 3 weeks…. because he has to have ‘time off’ after work! Apparently working 40 hours requires time off…. cough splutter… um, want to work out my hours mate? hmmmmmm
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yes it is ironic….my ex has our children 5 nights a fortnight which forces him to be more involved. They have a better relationship with him now than when we all lived together!
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And we only live 3 minutes apart by car, 30 mins by foot! HA! I tell him to drop in when ever he likes, but he don’t. After 6 years I’m used to it though. I asked the children would they like to see him more and they said “Why? We see him enough as it is!”… bit sad really BUT from their perspectives it’s all good, so we just get on with it and I continue to have no assistance with any part of parenting. Actually my Aunty has them once a week for a few hours so I can attend a regular thing. She watches them play the Wii… but yeah apart from that and when he has them there’s no break.
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ooo yeah – welcome to my life. I too have a dead-beat father of kids – and continues to shock me how little real interest he has in our beautiful, smart and loving sons….My sons love and adore him (why, I ask you?) and he is cold, unemtotional, hardly ever around and so strict it borders on abusive. HOW can some men be like this? Are they psychopaths???
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I think it’s pronounced ‘self centred’…. but go on. lol
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Yes. Funny heard this from lots of friends. My husband has given himself 1/2 day off a week for quote “me time”. I have 1/2 day off and i spend it craming in jobs and cleaning. Not at the stage where i have to leave him but still a pain in the butt
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Sounds like my ex!!!!
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I can really relate to this. My husband and I both work full time and he travels frequently interstate and overseas for work. Fine. While he’s away the two kids (9 and 7) and I manage just fine. No need for outside help or praise. But when I went interstate for work for ONE night (which I do about once a year) both our mothers were asking me how was he going to manage? Would I could dinner for them all the night before? Would I lay out an extra set of school uniforms and make extra lunches in advance? No! It was one night! Everyone coped and I came back to a tidy house (and comments from my MIL abou how good her son is to me for LETTING me go away!). He is good to me and the children, but I didn’t think this was an example of why…
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I love this! It wasn’t so long ago when I had a complete breakdown in front of my partner. My main gripe was that it seemed like he didn’t want me to harass him with domestic stuff when he got home from work because he likes to have a bit of time to chill out, but that’s my busiest time of day trying to cook/get through witching hour/baths etc. He gets his few hours at the end of a hard days work, but when do I get a little bit of time to sit down and breathe? I think that was a bit of an ‘aha’ moment for him when I pointed that out!
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In a real partnership, both sides need to pull their weight. Dad’s are not just there to ‘help out’. They are 50% of the equation. It gets tricky in families where men are the permanent breadwinners; it’s too easy for them to assume that women should do everything just because they provide the income.
That’s one of the reasons why I could never be a stay at home mum. It is my responsibility to contribute financially, same as it is my partner’s responsibility to contribute domestically. Besides, the physical effort of domestic stuff is only the tip of the iceberg. Even men who do their share around the house don’t devote the enormous amount of mental real estate required to keep a family organized. That seems to be exclusively women’s business.
And don’t give me any lectures on how that’s because women are better than multi tasking than men. How in god’s name do men manage to run international corporations and countries? When it comes to the home front, they simply don’t try hard enough. Partly because of social expectations and partly because women (their mothers as well as their wives/girlfriends) let them get away with it.
I am so incredibly disheartened by the number of women who have replied to this post either expressing gratitude that their husbands want to be involved with their kids or agreeing that their men get away with very little work in return for lots of praise. WHAT?!!!! Set the bar higher, girls. Expect, no, demand more. Better still, be very clear on how you are going to manage your parenting roles and duties before you have kids. I think lots of women think they have equality in their relationships/jobs/society until they have kids. Somehow, gender equality seems to slip back into the dark ages when you become a mother…!
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I’m so glad someone else thinks I way I do!
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Here here!!
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I like your passion adoreyoga!
I’m with you on the mental real estate thing and on certainly being clear on parenting roles and duties prior to the child-rearing years.
But I’m all for expressing gratitude to your partner too.
Everyone likes at least a tiny bit of acknowledgement from time to time.
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Have to say the majority of our straight couple with kids friends fit this decsription to a T!
Without fail though at the end of a conversation about how they do the lion’s share of everything (child rearing and cleaning) the women will still say how great their husbands are at ‘helping out’ around the house and with the kids compared to most. The bar is indeed set very low by society and by many women.
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I agree. It’s up to us as women to set the bar higher for both our men and our little boys!
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I have been saying this a lot of my husband lately it is because he has been doing virtually everything looking after our 21 month old, shopping etc. the only thing I won’t let him do is laundry, because frankly he sucks at it. I am currently pregnant with our sexing and been put on bed rest and been in hospital so he has had to pick up the caregiver roll in full.
From the day our first was born he changed nappies every day, did bottle feeds as often as he could and had a very active roll, I wouldn’t allow anything less. He thanks me now for this because he has seen so much more of his daughter growing up then most men do!
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So agree. The other thing that peeves me is this acceptance from our society for dead beat dads. My boys dad has not seen them in over 4 years and has not paid child support, yet we have mutual friends that stay in touch with him because they don’t want to get involved… They know my boys and how much they go through knowing that their dad does not want to see them and they still maintain that ‘he is a nice guy just a dead beat dad’.. don’t get it.
My sister has to bargain with her hubbie for him to take care of the kids if she wants to go out or do something.. Yet he does not even bet an eye when he goes on cycling weekends or other activities. Yet my sister works full time whereas, he doesn’t? go figure.
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OssieLeo, that really sux. How can someone still be considered a good person but a deadbeat dad ? I don’t get it either
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My daughter’s dad doesn’t bother with her at all and doesn’t appear to suffer for it socially or in terms of respect. He recently took a long self-funded holiday and stopped paying child support for 6 months with no warning. Then back to his well-paying job. Not a care about the effect of that withdrawal of money on his daughter. apparently he tells people he’s sad not to see her and gets sympathy about being prevented – he’s never been prevented by me or anyone else. That’s why I praise involved fathers- because so many just don’t care.
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My two older kids haven’t seen their dad for over 18 years, or received a cent in that time either. I really resented it for years, but my hubby said years ago that he was happy with being their dad, so we left it. I keep in touch with his family,giving them a chance to get in touch with him if they want. So far neither have shown any inclination to. It took time, but eventually I decided that he was the one missing out.
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I am glad you brought this up as people always ask me if my ex “is a good Dad”. I have had no child maintenance or financial support for my children for 4 years and cant claim it as he earns so little I am only entitled to $3 a week for each child; yet when he sees the kids every second weekend he is such a ‘great’ Dad when he is with the kids. I work full time as the sole bread winner with 3 children. Apparently I should be happy he wants to see the kids… Friends and family are still friendly with him. They want to stay out of it. What a great guy, eh. If I handed my kids to him and saw them every second weekend with no financial support to him, would I be a good mother when I was with them? I tell you what, it would make earning a living for them so much easier. But I always feel like a dirty single mum. Where a single Dad gets SYMPATHY. Makes me so mad…. Such double standards….
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One thing that really hit home to my husband was how disrespectful it is to me when he doesn’t make an effort to put his dirty dishes on the sink (seriously, I don’t even expect you to wash them!) or dirty clothes in the hamper or clean up food scraps. He’s basically saying that what I do, the housewife crap, has no value so to him so he can’t be bothered to do it.
And when I feel worthless and unappreciated, I don’t feel much like sex. He joined the dots pretty quick
Nothing gets up my nose more than when my MiL refers to my husband as ‘babysitting’ the kids. You can’t babysit your own kids.
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try when the ex-MIL says that her son is depressed and that I really should “service him”…my ex calls it babysitting too.
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When you were meant to be servicing him, was that before or after you split? Either way – OMG!!
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It was after…. and I was engaged to another man! I told my ex and he was disgusted by his mother’s remarks but didn’t go so far as to defend my honour… he’s an ex for very good reasons though.
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well Laws for Clouds…I am glad you mentioned this…..after being treated like a slave the last thing I wanted to do was have sex with him. But along with everything else, he twisted that around and accused me of using sex as a ‘weapon’. WTF???? Unfortunately our dots were never joined. Things really deteriorated from here…….
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Last weekend I had a three day weekend away, sewing with 4 other girlfriends.
I did not do anything extra before I went, except make sure that there was some food in the fridge to cook (so my hubby wouldn’t have to shop with three kids in-tow, because I hate doing that too). There was none of this leaving pre-prepared meals for him to reheat etc.
My man managed three kids, two outings, a school pick-up and drop off, two loads of laundry, and three cooked dinners just fine.
The other ladies were asking me if I would be going home to a house that looked like a bombsite – quite the contrary. When I arrived home, the kids had had early showers/baths, and dinner was almost ready. The house was in a normal state of clean, but lived-in.
In other words, he coped just as well as I would, and was pleased to see me.
I wholeheartedly agree that there are some people who set that bar far too low.
One of the things that I love most about my partner is that he see himself as just that – my equal partner. He is quite prepared to look after his own kids, solo, if needed, and he does not make me feel like he is doing me a humungous favour.
In some partnership dynamics, I think people have to practice giving up the reins, and letting their partner have a go, knowing that they will do things differently, (like what they might cook or what outings they might take the kids on) and that’s OK.
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I think your last paragraph is fabulous. I think you are right and a part of why women let men ‘get away’ with not being equal partners is exactly that.
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Haha, this drives me fkn nuts when it happens…a couple months ago i returned to work after mat leave, im working nights, and always try to have the house tidy and in order before i leave ,, our son is looked after by my MIL for an hour or two until hubby gets home, then he takes over and does the dinner (which i always have prepared and ready – for both of them -before i go to work), bath, bedtime etc. He laps up the “oh ur such a great dad – u must be so tired” comments…. meanwhile i get home from work at 12am, clean up all the dishes and general mess that the two of them have managed to make before i go to bed, then get up at 6am (or any other time during the night that he decides to awaken) with the little mister and do it all again.
granted my husband is great with our son , he wants to be involved and its been great for them to have this one on one time together…. but it completely escapes his notice that u need to….u know….clean up the dishes after you have eaten….wipe up the sticky fingerprints all over the cupboards and drawers that the toddler has left…..pick up the wet towel and dirty clothes off the floor and put them in the laundry….
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ok, —- deep breath – please dont get up set, but how about not cleaning up after him,leave it for him to do. Just close your eyes. Honestly after a few days they will notice the rather big pile of damp towells and dirty clothes on the floor. dont make an issue of it, just say I’m really busy at the moment, too tired, or I just need a’ little down time’.
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Do they though, really do they???
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