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Screen shot 2012 12 04 at 3.26.40 PM The double life of kids who live between two houses.

Elly Varrenti

By ELLY VARRENTI

‘Is tomorrow a daddy or a mummy day?’ my son asks me. He should be able to work it out for himself given he’s currently learning the days of the week in Prep.

My six-year-old son is leading a double life and he’s been living like this, an intrepid little traveller, since he was six months old.

This year he started school in the city with me and lives with his dad and stepmother in the country on the weekends. The rhythm feels easier. Our son is more settled. I feel better. His father probably feels more cut off.

These days shared parenting is common, they say. One in four families – or is it one in three- is co-parented, blended, or outside the traditional nuclear model. These days children commonly have two homes: two bedrooms, two sets of photographs and Lego. In my son’s case, two different linguistic universes as well. My son and his father and stepmother speak only German when they are together. I don’t speak German.

The first time I handed my six-month-old baby over to his father for a couple of nights it felt like surrendering a limb without anaesthetic.

‘Don’t do it. You’ll regret it’, said a friend.

‘You’re still in shock!’ said my mother.

But I did do it. I handed over my son, I mean, our son, to his father that first time because even though his father had stopped loving me, I knew he hadn’t stopped loving his child. I knew he was as good a parent as I was. Maybe even better, given I had post-natal depression at the time. I grew up without my father; I wasn’t going to let it happen to my child.

Today and five and a half years later it still feels like an amputation every time my son goes off to his father’s house for a few days a week. Except that now it’s the status quo. Now I am meant to be used to it.  I should be relieved my husband and I separated when we did, and not later, when our son had got used to the idea of his parents living in the same house.

I have friends who do it. Some do the one-week on, week off thing or the half-week here, the other half there. For us, there’s one birthday party in the country and another one in the city. His father lives in the country and I live in the city. That’s our shared-parenting set-up. It’s a little bit country, a little bit rock n roll. It’s a little bit acrimonious too.

Screen shot 2012 12 05 at 9.48.13 AM The double life of kids who live between two houses.

My little intrepid traveller.

Usually it’s the logistics, the legalities and the nuts and bolts of how to co-parent we hear about. We all know for example, that it’s a far more workable scenario if the two parents get along amicably. It’s even better if they live close by. You hear less about the complex and confusing emotional life of the co-parent spending half the time outside their own child’s life.

I’ve had ‘child-free’ time for some years now and can even look forward to it. It’s the time I fill up with work, friends and half-hearted searches for new romance. But I still feel at a loss after my son leaves: it seems counter-intuitive somehow.

It’s the missing.

There’s a growing demographic of co-parents out there who spend half their time intensely involved with their children and the other half trying to work out who they’re meant to be while the kids are living with the other parent in another house.

We are all of us negotiating double lives as well as trying to understand that our child is leading one too. Sometimes we may know little about what he does or how he does it while he’s living it. When I ask my son about his daddy time, he usually mutters something vague and unilluminating and I am none-the-wiser. So I just have to wait and hope the details of his alternative identity emerge in more indirect ways during our time together.

‘When I’m with you I miss daddy and when I’m with daddy I miss you,’ said my friend’s eight-year-old daughter to her mother, recently. My friend rang me in tears to tell me.

‘I didn’t know what to say to her! It all seems too much for her to manage. Or is it just me who finds it hard to manage?’

Creating a functional family is an on-going challenge and its beauties and terrors come with the territory. Regardless of whether it’s a mummy or a daddy day.

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“When I’m with you I miss daddy and when I’m with daddy I miss you.”

Post Script:

Since writing this piece 4 years ago my son and I have moved to the country so that Ernie could live close to his father for the first time since he was 6 months old. My son is now 10 years old and we have both been living in this large regional Victorian town for almost 3 years now. With mixed results.

I still need to travel to Melbourne to work 3-4 days a week and leaving my friends and family (and part time boyfriend) back then was tough. Still is.

For the last 2 years my mother has been rearing my late sister’s little boy and 3 months ago, she and her 3 year-old grandson moved to the country as well. So here we all are. Who would have thought? I always hated the country.

How does the whole shared-parenting set up look now days? And how does my 80-year-old mother handle co-parenting with my nephew’s father – an Iraqi refugee still living in Melbourne?

Watch this space.

Elly Varrenti is a writer, broadcaster and teacher.  She is a regular columnist for ABC Radio National’s  Life Matters program, is  a former  Age Theatre Critic and teaches writing at Box Hill Institute. Her book ‘This is Not my Beautiful Life’ is published by Penguin (and you can buy it HERE) and she is currently writing one about shared-parenting due for release late 2013.

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  1. Love it

    MM can you get Anon to write an article on being an ACE separated dad? I’m happily married but feel like he could help so many of my friends and start a revolution for good divorce. People can be turds when they have hurt feelings: bring on Anon’s 10 Commandments of Better Separation.

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    • anon

      Hey,

      I can write an article on being a separated dad. I’ll see if I can get it together over the next week or so and send it to MM so they can make up their mind if they want to use it or not.

      ps thanks for the kind words…

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  2. Mum/ family lawyer

    My son spends time between two houses 2,500kms apart. He is 13 now and has been flying solo for a four day stay every fourth week for about 4 years now. Prior to that we were driving distance apart but he still lived between two houses. Two VERY different houses! One has rules and routine (my boring house!) and the other is your typical weekend dad house with no rules, no bedtime, no diet of any substance and certainly no teeth brushing! As a family lawyer, I have many clients who would and do, in that situation, demand the attention of the entire Family Court and have dad persecuted for not making the child brush his teeth…but really, who cares. It’s four days and he comes back smiling feeling like he’s gotten away with something. He also comes back knowing he has to follow the rules and routine and it’s amazing how quickly he adjusts. In fact, the older he gets the more I notice he is relieved to have some boundaries. In my opinion, this situation requires at least one parent to prepare the child for the two different lifestyles he/ she will have to live. Kids can adjust at even a young age to two different houses as long as the parents aren’t wasting their time slinging crap at each other over every minor issue. It’s probably not ideal but it can work.

    Oh, and my son is such the frequent flyer now- all the air stewards know him well and it’s like he’s catching up with old friends at the airport every month!

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  3. Anon

    “I should be relieved my husband and I separated when we did, and not later, when our son had got used to the idea of his parents living in the same house.”

    My Mother and Father separated a month after my first birthday while my mum was pregnant with my sister. As i was growing up i was jealous of friends who’s parents were together. My sister and I used to (and still do) talk about how weird it sounds to say “Mum & Dad” when refering to our parents as they were never talked about at the same time, and that we dont know what a “real” or “normal” family is like.

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    • Mish

      My parents separated when I was 5. I remember them arguing for the year prior, and of being terrified listening to it. I think its much better for parents to separate and try to co-parent rather than live like this, whatever age the kids are. But the older they are the harder it is for the kids to adjust so I totally get the author’s point.

      Also… I don’t think anyone’s family is “normal” but whatever your family is, it is “real.”

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  4. anonymous

    What do people think about this? I think with a 40+% divorce rate, we need to start acknowledging as a society that traditional marriage no longer works for a lot of people. When we accept this and really embrace the alternative relationships or family scenarios that those people want to choose, then we will spare a lot of children a lot of angst.

    Divorcing parents are still frowned upon and are so under-supported in our community because our law-makers still want us to be ‘controlled’ by the traditional family scenario. Our rejection of this scenario and hence our big-scale rejection of religions promoting such values show that we are more focused on seeking happiness in whatever form, rather than sacrificing our happiness in the name of traditional social norms like we used to. Unfortunately our children suffer though because they are still raised in an environment that worships the nuclear family household.

    If we could all petition for the rights of gays to marry then the flow-on effect will be the acceptance of traditional marriage morphing into a more modern relationship that sees children surrounded by villages of people who love them, in whatever form they come in and adults who can enter a relationship with no expectations other than happiness and personal fulfillment. If this relationship doesn’t work out, these people should be fully supported to move on and find their happiness elsewhere. At the end of the day, their children need to see happy parents and to be loved by them, that’s all. Children do not need to see their parents in a relationship with each other for them to grow up well adjusted and happy. All this hanging on to tradition is what is causing our family courts to overflow every day and we are allowing our society to continue putting children through this. Vote for gay marriage I say and let’s see what happens!!

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    • rebecca

      What? You seem to be mixing two different notions. I’m pretty sure that the gay people who want to marry plan on living together and possibly raise a child together in the same house. Children often suffer through this because they like having the people that they love close by, as you stated, but then in the next paragraph you state that people should be able come and go as they please. Which is it? This has nothing to do with gay marriage There is plenty of research finding that children greatly benefit from having a couple of people as their trusted primary care givers. Furthermore, the whole ‘village’ mentality is fine if you live in a village or country town but many of us dont and are geographically isolated from our ‘village’ for numerous reasons. Once again, nothing to do with gay marriage.

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  5. mickie

    If my husband and i ever divorced I would have no issue with sharing care 50/50 with him. He is and has always been a hands on parent who loves his children.
    I would find it harder to share if there was anther woman on the scene, I think that would hurt more, to know that someone else , along with your ex is parenting your child.

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  6. Anon

    Does anyone think about what society will look like when all these co-parented kids grow up? I know that parents shouldn’t stay in an unhealthy relationship just for the sake of their children. But the fact is the divorce rate is going up and up. And, maybe, just maybe it’s because society deems co-parenting and giving up one relationship for another acceptable and even the norm.

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    • goose

      I think it is acceptable and the norm. While I haven’t read any studies, my own personal experience as a child of divorced parents has been fine. Somehow I’ve managed to grow up to be a useful and productive member of society. Who would’ve thought?

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    • LauraS

      Ah, they have grown up…. When I was at primary schoool, hardly anyone had 2 parents together. I am now 31.

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  7. Michael

    Elly

    A great article. I admire you for putting your son first and foremost by moving closer to his Dad. Hopefully, you’ll bring up a well adjusted and happy kid by the end of his teens. I’m male, 50, my son is 19 and lives close by but I still ache for the years I missed out with him from 12-18, even though I saw him regularly and still do. Just that I wanted to see him every day and night.

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  8. Donna S

    I have been doing this for the past 8 years and so far it is working well for us. We don’t have set times for when each of us has the kids. It is all based on our work rosters and what is happening in our lives. It works out pretty evenly though. We live 2 km apart and the kids are always welcome at either house. I’ve set my work life up so that I work school hours and so tend to do the school run while he has longer hours. Gives me a chance to catch up with them even when they are staying with him. Our emergency plans are both based around each other. If new clothes, bits and pieces etc need to be bought then it is a case of which ever parent hears about it/notices first pays for it unless there is a cashflow problem. We try not to both be in that situation at the same time but we get on well enough to say if we are feeling poor that pay period and ask if the other parent can deal with it and return the favour later. And I know he will. We both are well paid and that probably has made things easier because if it comes down to it I can support the kids by myself. We also never married so there was no argument over assets. And there are no other partners in the picture and there is an expectation that any new relationships will be very discreet. That’s not to say that we don’t have our disagreements. We do but thankfully things blow over because we both are committed to our three kids and we recognise that we are both good enough parents in our own ways and we have the same values. And if the kids try to exploit the situation at any time [e.g the my homework is at Mum's place when they are staying at Dad's or trying to get permission for something you suspect the other parent may not allow], there is usually a quick phone-call or text. Family occasions are family occasions and we spend them together.
    It can be done but there has to be good communication.

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  9. Single with Kids for just a year

    Thank you Elly for keeping it real. Yes, the emotion of handing over a small baby to a partner you neither trust or have faith in is devastating. It simply cripples you and yet reminds you that loving your children is what matters most. Its so hard to have faith in an ex when they have cheated and lied about everything you held dear in your life. How can someone who supposedly loves their kids, leave for an adulterous, marraige breaking new partner ? Hopefully what goes around comes around in time and that my kids see the love I have for them and the stability I am struggling to provide. I want them to know I love them and to see the self respect and dignity I have had in the face of this hell. I look forward to finding peace and an inner happiness one day.

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    • Anonymous

      Crikey, she didn’t say she didn’t have trust or faith in him or he cheated.

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      • CookieBanana

        I think Single with Kids is talking about her own ex…

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  10. Carina

    Hi Renstar, I was married for 20 years. We grew apart and were unhappy. Believe me, the kids knew, even though we never argued in front of them. In fact we kept our issue so private that our friends and family were shocked of our decision. On the other hand, my mother, had her parents stay together all their lives. Her sister and siblings begged them to separate for many decades. It didn’t happen and it has scarred them. You live once, we are smart enough to know how to tackle these challenges. Yes, it’s hard, especially on the children. As long as they are surrounded by loving parents who are involved in their lives, extended family including step parents, life can be pretty normal. I think you may need to open you mind beyond the traditional family model.

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  11. guest

    My stepchildren are 46 and 40, I met their father when the youngest was 2. My husband insisted that we never fought with his ex over the children. I made a point of trying to be a friend , which was hard as she was very bitchy about things. She was the one who left the marriage and remarried before I met my husband yet she acted like the wronged party.

    However many years on, she has had 4 marriages and has rung me every time she has had problems, so we are semi friends. Her children have more to do with me now than with her and have had difficulties with her when they became adults.

    But my husband and I followed certain rules when they were young :never badmouthed her, we followed her rules (difficult as that was), we went out of our way to take them at any time giving her time to party, and at all times we told them we loved them no matter what.

    Now 38 years later my step children have their children call me Gran, I have them ringing me at all times and they are mature pleasant adults. I still talk to the ex, even though I don’t like her for the way she has tried to play on her kids.

    But children grow up and they judge you on how you treated them and how you presented an stable loving environment.

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  12. thisishell

    Going through this with my own kids, and now the oldest has hit high school we’re seeing very big chasm-like cracks in this set up. Which he’s falling through :(

    It’s beyond difficult to parent effectively this way. So we’re going through mediation so that I can have the kids during the school week, and their dad have them on the weekend. At some point, a responsible parent (one that is on top of everything) is required. It’s almost impossible to do it between two (and in our case, three if you count how often they stay over at the ex’s girlfriend’s house…sigh) households.

    I wish kids weren’t considered possessions.

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  13. Anonymous

    would love to see that blog entry. similar problem in my split. CSA have no idea. can you link to your blog?

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  14. Wishing4peace

    We have traveled through the co-parenting jungle for 9 years and while it became simpler as the children got older (now 12 & 17) it has never been easy. I thought it could be, just as as I thought our marriage would last. But I didn’t count on the insurmountable obstacles that derailed our marriage, also sabotaging a peaceful co-parenting arrangement.

    The children spend Monday and Tuesday with me, Wednesday and Thursday with their father and we alternate Friday, Sat, Sun. We live within 15 minutes of each other, close to the kids schools and ‘change over’ happens simply by picking the kids up from school. The kids have two sets of clothes and ‘things’, their computers and phones are travel with them. Living in the same area and having consistent ‘days’ means routines and extra-curricular activities are easy to manage.

    Our problems are due to financial and control issues. Despite our 50/50 care and 50/50 split of all child related expenses, my ex went to CSA demanding I pay additional, on top support – CSA looked at my PAYE (teaching so not high) salary and compared it to my ex’s tax return (runs his own business and declares minimum wage) and decided I should be funding my ex (and his non working girlfriend’s) lifestyle. This is too long a story for here (although I have blogged about it) suffice to say despite the wonderful advice given by ‘Anon’ there are men (and women) who use departments such as CSA as a weapon of control to bully their ex. My ex wielded the CSA knife to in his words ‘make me pay’, for leaving him, for disagreeing with his choices, for not falling under his thumb and jumping when he said jump.

    In order to truly ensure Children come first, the bureaucrats administering so called child support ‘systems’ need to look at the real situation and not numbers on a page.

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  15. Bradley

    I’d imagine that your ex-husband feels as if he is having something amputated when he hands the child back over to you on Sunday night.

    It’s a tricky situation for all concerned. You just have to hope that it doesn’t mess with the child’s mind, too much.

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  16. anon-e-mouse

    I was married only a year ago & have inherited a 50/50 co-parenting arrangement for 3 children.
    I’m happy with the current arrangement, as I feel the whole focus is on the children the week they are with us, which is such a change to living alone for 15 years. There is so many activities & things to arrange & when planning between the two houses becomes involved everything just goes to hell.
    They fight over the children like they are property- ‘You have them on that holiday every year, it’s not fair’ ‘You have them on your birthday every year why is it unfair when my birthday is on a holiday?”, but if I try to be the voice of reason then I’m in the bad books too.

    Then there is the emotional blackmail that we have to witness.
    The children call our house ‘Home’ & openly show their unhappiness at having to spend time in the other house where they feel they are visitors & often treated differently to the other child in the family. They are grumpy when they arrive, because they’ve had a terrible week, & they grumpy when they leave, because they don’t wan’t to go.
    But they won’t speak up to their Mother, because on the odd occasion they have they are bombarded with texts & calls demanding to know why they are making her so unhappy.
    My step-daughter likened her situation to fairy tale in reverse the other day, “There’s the Mother who loves me & takes care of me, & then there’s the real one, who’s like the Wicked Step Mother in the stories & only cares about what makes her happy”
    The whole situation breaks my heart.

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  17. Renstar

    I don’t know why people have kids to people they may not want to stay with. It’s called unconditional love, people. That includes bankruptcy, infidelity, illness and some crime. If you don’t think you can love this person unconditionally, why would you bring children into the relationship? It’s abuse.

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    • Ez

      Don’t hog that crystal ball you must have somewhere, share it around! The divorce rate would plumment.

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    • Eve

      You can’t be serious??????

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    • JulC

      You see I would call ‘unconditional love’ abusive. I feel very sorry for children who can’t have both parents together (mine included) but what a ridiculous generalisation to make. Some of us have a high enough self esteem and a concern for our children’s futures to move away from DV, alcohol abuse, drug abuse, crime, addiction what ever the issue may be. And christmas is an especially hard and sensitive time so we don’t really need such comments to make us feel any worse than we do. I say that from a mother’s and counsellors perspective.

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    • Nat

      Hmmm, wow it must be wonderful to live in your life with the ability to predict every moment of your future and then be able to ensure that your life just stays on track perfectly. What’s the name of this world you live in and how do you get there…..

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    • Seriously?

      That ridiculous statement doesn’t even warrant a response. I can only hope its an attempt at humour or sarcasm or something besides being a serious statement.

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    • Nala

      I found out my husband was sleeping with prostitutes and random loose-moralled women at every opportunity. Are you saying I should have stayed with him? What sort of a lesson would that have taught our two sons – that wives are doormats that deserve no respect?

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      • Mish

        My ex suddenly became a drug addict when I was in my 2nd trimester as he was trying to get his partying out of the way before our baby arrived. One night someone gave him some ice and it went very quickly downhill from there. One one hand (with drugs anyway) there is the safety issue, and then also what example its setting for the kids. I agree with you and I think its ridiculous what the poster is saying.

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        • Anon

          That’s awful Mish. Something similar happened to a family close to me.

          Between the births of their third and fourth children, the father’s PTSD became unmanageable. Infidelity, lies, abuse, missing $$$ and a serious drug habit ensued. For years, his wife turned herself inside out in attempt to honour their committment to each other & her love for him and their small children.

          Eventually – when he declared the marriage over for the gazzillionth time – the only course of action left to her was to agree with him. People sometimes change. In this case, not for the better.

          If only life was as black and white as we wished Renstar. It’s tough lesson evenus adults struggle with. Unfortunately their kids are getting a jump on that one early :(

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    • Rebecca

      I agree with the illness and bankruptcy bit but infidelity and crime! Are you serious. Maybe the blame should be on the person who enters the relationship, brings kids into this world and then cheats or commits a crime!

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    • Guest

      Sometimes the other person just walks out on you … even after 16 years of marriage and you are left with no choice. Being that judgemental is a dangerous business Renstar.

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    • Anon

      Renstar some people, male or female, would jump at the chance for a partner like you who is willing to overlook so many things.
      I wish the best for you and hope to god that you don’t fall into “unconditional love” with any of those people.

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    • rebecca

      Yeh, because criminals make great role models for kids. And women who are doormats for cheating, criminals are great role models! sheesh

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  18. Catesmum

    My children’s father was killed in July… I’d give anything for them to have a living relationship with their loving father. Be grateful that your son has that.

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  19. step-mum

    I am a step-mum to a 6 year old and have been in his life since he was 18mths old. His parents separated before he was born and when I met his father, he had the majority of care. This situation changed over the past few years and it’s now one week on, one week off. To say the relationship between my husband and his ex is strained, is an immense understatement, and (unfortunately) her and I have absolutely no relationship.
    He says that he misses his mum when he’s with us and vice versa, which breaks my heart. We have taken him to see a psychologist as he was struggling for a time, but then found out that his mother had a new relationship and they had moved in together, but he wasn’t allowed to tell us. It’s all terribly hard. Sometimes we wonder if we’re doing the right thing (having 50/50 custody) but then he arrives and is just so happy here (we have 2 other children) with his brother and sister (as well as his dad and I) and cries when it’s time to leave. The psychologist said that he’s incredibly well adjusted and that as his life has always been like this, he doesn’t know any different. And maybe it’s my middle-class guilt, but I wonder if this arrangement really is the best thing for him.

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    • Stylus

      This probably is the best thing for him – from an absolute stranger, obviously! What’s the alternative? All the time, or more time, with you and his dad? I don’t think that’s a fair alternative to him or to his mum.

      When I was younger (a child) there was clearly one parent of mine who was coping better than the other, but less time with that parent wouldn’t have helped anyone. There’s a lot more to that story of course, but suffice it to say I am always wary of any suggestion that children should spend less time with one of their parents if the children enjoy it less/the parent is not thought to be coping as well as the other.

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      • Step-mum

        Stylus, I agree. Whilst I think that we are good parents, I don’t think that we are necessarily ‘better’ for him, nor that his life would be better if time with his mother was limited. Her life is more limited than ours – financially definitely, and she suffers from quite significant depression and whilst I would like to shelter my step-son from this, I also don’t think that this is in his best interests either. It’s a big part of his life and we are just trying to give him some tools to manage it.

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  20. Anon for this - Perth

    I’m currently living through this with my partner. He has three kids who live with their mother, her husband and their son. We haven’t seen the kids in 6 weeks and the three times before that we had to meet them in a park or shopping centre to spend an hour or two with them. They won’t come to visit us, even just for a few hours. My partner tries to call them a few times a week but mostly has to leave messages and they don’t always call back.

    The kids are teenagers, the eldest about to turn 16. I keep telling my partner that they’ll come around, that they’ll get to the point where they’ll make their own decisions without being influenced by their mother, but it seems I’ve been saying this for years now. He tries not to show how much it affects him but I know it tears him apart. He talks about no longer trying because it hurts too much, but we know the mother will then turn this into him not wanting to spend time with them.

    I just don’t know what to do anymore…does anyone have any suggestions?

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    • Eve

      Continue on with the loving texts, emails and ‘like’ their pictures on FB etc. I know a few people who were alienated from their children, only to become very close in adulthood. Just keep sending out the positive vibes. As they get older they will be attacted to that. Keep being good peeps, the truth always comes out.

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    • Michelle

      Tell him to never, ever give up! Write those letters, send texts, go onto their facebook and comment. Even if they don’t reciprocate, atleast they will have proof that he did try and he was interested. It will also help him to see what they are up to and have stuff to talk to them about, when they come around. They are also at that age when it is all about their friends etc and perhaps it isn’t at all about the separation but their own interests. lol

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    • Anon

      Never give up.

      Don’t even think about giving up on seeing the kids. One day it will happen.

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    • Miss Finance

      I’ve recently seen my uncle and his son go through this exact thing except my uncle didn’t even get to see my cousin once for about 5 years straight. His mother is a poisonous, manipulative monster and turned my cousin against the entire family….. my uncle simply continued to send loving cards and gifts on birthdays, kept texting and calling even though he never got replies, kept paying school fees, sending money for holidays, clothes and various other expenses and at 18 his son FINALLY came around and made tentative attempts to contact him. Things are now amazing, he sees his mother for what she is (which he figured out on his own, none of us ever badmouthed her), he has expressed regret over not seeing his father for so many year and he is a wonderful part of my uncle’s family once more.

      It will happen, just keep trying is all I can say. So sorry to hear of the situation xxx

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    • Alice

      The attempts at a relationship have to come from the adult – you can’t put that responsibility on the children, no matter how hard it is on the parent. Please tell him to keep trying – and when they’ll adults they’ll be able to see that he tried and will have nothing to resent him for. Then they can have a relationship. I feel for you both though xx

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  21. No e in Tracy

    When friends separated, they kept the family home for the kids and they both stayed at their parents / new partners houses when it wasn’t their time to be with the kids. That way their kids were settled and they were the ones that moved in and out. They committed to living in the same city until their kids moved out of home. I was always so impressed with how they managed to put their kids’ needs first. For a few years my husband, son and I lived in the country for part of the week and the city for part of the week (together as a family). It was absolutely exhausting.

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    • Janie

      I have often thought this is what should be done. the kids are the ones who need the stability. But I realise it is highly impractical. I think if the adults had to do this there would be a greater understanding of what they are asking the children to do.

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    • ozlicious

      I think it’s unreasonable to ask separated adults to share a living space, especially when there are confused/unresolved feelings involved. In most cases, it wouldn’t be healthy for the mum and dad to live this way.

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  22. Fay

    Hi Elly- it’s Fay from Kew High.How are you? I wanted to ask you something privately.Can you access my email?

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  23. leadlebeatle

    ive been doing this with my kids for 6 years. They spend a week with their father and a week with me, we live in the same suburb and it takes alot of getting used to, not necessarily by the kids but by you.

    I was a single mother with kids one week, restricted in my activities,happy to hang at home with my kids, structured work and home times, had company and had direction.

    I was a single woman the other week, no single friends (only friends with kids) no one to have a social life with, no fella because i hated them at that time, no where to go (because i couldnt maintain single friendships because i couldnt be consistent and fair) and every person i knew (mostly mothers) tell me how wonderful it must be to have ALL this time to myself and im so lucky i get a break.

    Ladies, please be gentle with what you say when you think that mothers in this situation have such a great life, your words hurt to someone who didnt have any choice with the situation.

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  24. Sarah

    I’m mired in this now, thourhg my partner.

    We live in Sydney, the kids live with their mother in Canberra. We’re trying to lock in a routine for them to see their Dad. HIm going to Canberra every weekend or second weekend isnt really viable – it would cost a fortune and it makes no sense for the kids to sleep in a hotel room.

    The kids coming to Sydney every weekend/second weekend means they would miss out on sporting/musical activites. Plus they are on the cusp of being teenagers and soon they’ll just want to spend time with their friends.

    Hall of all school holidays isnt much – in terms of spending time with their dad or giving their mother a decent break from the hard work of raising the kids. And he only has 4 weeks annual leave, so I guess some weeks he’d have to take unpaind leave. Not ideal.

    So I have loads of empathy for parents dealing with these kinds of arrangements. Its not easy and in my experience, people on the outside love to judge.

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  25. Anon

    I’ve had 50/50 shared care of my daughter since she was 2 years old. One day she said she was missing her mum and I told her that tomorrow she would be going to her mum’s place. In quite a distressed voice she then complained that she would then miss me when she’s at her mum’s – it absolutely broke my heart because there’s nothing I can do to fix the situation for her. And if anything, the older my daughter gets the harder I find the time away from her. The upside is I get a lot more one-on-one time with my daughter than I would have if I was still married. And I think it’s made a big difference to the strength of the relationship we have.

    I think the worst time for the children is the handover time. If there’s one piece of advice I have its to make that time the easiest you can for the child. Make goodbyes quick, not drawn out where they can get distressed. And they need to know that you will be ok (if not happy) when they are not there. Even if you know that you’re not going to be, they need to feel that you will be. I can tell when my ex is stressed as my daughter comes over stressed as well.

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  26. Difficult situation.

    I have a friend who lives with her current partner and ex-husbnad in the same 4 bedroom home. For some reason I find that odd. I know that financial reasons could be attributed to it, but I do wonder how her kids see this set up as they grow older. I am sure they will grow to accept it, but it’s an awkward situation.

    Is it confusing for her children to see her cuddling up to daddy only a couple of years before (they were only married 18 months before they separated and the new partner moved in) and now she cuddles up to the new partner at home? I am wondering what is a healthier arrangement for these kids? Seeing daddy in the same house as mummy and new partner or him/her moving out and the kids move between houses?

    Can I admit that the relationship situation of that household intrigues me? I am not sure I could do that.

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  27. Zoe

    I have our daughter during the week and her dad has her on weekends. She is two. Im not sure how we will manage me returning to work as i have to travel. School holidays are going to be a tough juggle as we live 2 hours from eachother. I cant consider moving until i have an income. Such a juggle.

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  28. charliemama

    Great article. I am one of the best examples of modern broken families :-) My parents separated when i was about 3. I have a half-sister on my dad’s side that we ‘discovered’ when she was seven yo. Then my dad had 3 more kids with my step-mother (yet another mum to his kids). He is now divorced from my stepmother. All my life I’ve had to adjust to different situations as my dad and I separately moved countries (dad with his family, me with mum). It came with its challenges but I couldn’t be happier as an adult. It has given me the ability to adapt, to understand, to respect and most of all it has given me a bigger family that I adore. After some years of struggle with my dad and our relationship, we have gotten closer since I’ve had my own daughter and can now understand the challenges of relationships with children. I am now separated from my partner and trying to organise a separated life sharing our daughter. I am in the midsts of it as we haven’t really broken up yet… I moved out for my well-being to another state and he is now moving closer in the hope we will get back together. I am still confused but enjoying my independance so much. Wish me luck as I work out the next chapter ;-)

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  29. anon

    I’ve been a single dad for nearly 20 years now, and with a failed second marriage I have a 12 year old daughter who comes to visit me about once a month.

    When she goes back to her mum’s I start a period of mourning that lasts until the next time I see her.

    She’s happy and well adjusted, as are my older kids. And that’s all that matters.

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    • Sarah

      Anon – can I ask. When you first started the monthly arrangement, did your kids protest that it wasnt enough?

      And if its not too personal, do you find one weekend enough is sufficient to maintain a meaningful relationship with your daughter?

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      • Anon

        Sarah,

        The monthly thing came about because we live in different states. I’d love to see more of my daughter but given the expense of flying her to see me I find it more affordable to do it once a month.

        I talk to her nearly every day so she tells me what is happening in her life, and she has her own life with her friends, and she more or less tells me when she wants to come to see me. I’ve never forced her and it’s paying off as she gets a little older and is choosing to come and see me.
        Having a meaningful relationship with my kids has never been about quantity, it’s always been quality. It’s never been about what I can buy for them, but about what we do together.

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  30. Anon

    This is so scary to me. I am currently married with two littlies under 3 yrs of age. My husband and I don’t fight often but when we do I am always terrified that at any time he could leave. Or I could. Shared parenting sounds so hard and you should be commended for doing it so well and being so honest about the heart wrenching challenges involved. thanx.

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    • charliemama

      I can empathise there…. I have recently moved out (see my comment above). We are still sort of seeing each other but I have less hope of getting back together than him as I am enjoying being myself again so much! It feels like I have found who I am again and I feel embarassed to say that most of the time I am happy without him. When times get tough, I miss the help and the company but I think it is just missing habit and a good friend. We are good friends and enjoy spending time together which makes it so much harder. Our problem it seems is that we dont share the same vision of life and the future. He comes from a traditional working class background (married parents, suburbs, working class parents) and I come from a bohemian international background (grew up in France with French mum, born in Australia, English father, Columbian step-mum, mixed race half-siblings, parents working in the creative industries, lots of travelling and moving around).

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    • anon

      See above, I’ve been doing it for 20 years.

      Shared parenting is easy as long as both parents have the best interests of the children at heart, and make the interests of the children the priority. There will always be niggles, as separated parents will have different ideas about what is best for the kids.

      If you find yourself saying things like “I want so and so for the kids” or “my kids need xyz device”, then it’s about you and not the kids.

      I have a great relationship with all of my kids because my ex wives and me have always (nearly always), been able to separate the issues that concern us, and the issues that concern the kids.

      A couple of things I’ve learned, (because everyone deserves the benefit of what I know :) )

      Trust the judgement of the kid’s mother, she’s on the spot and has all the information, then act accordingly.

      Have the guts to say that you need something from the ex for the kids. Both my exes do this. If they need extra money, don’t make them justify or beg for it, just transfer it and STFU.

      NEVER say shit like “if you don’t pay child support I won’t let you see the kids.

      Never say shit like “If you don’t let me see the kids I won’t pay you child support”

      The two issues are mutually exclusive.

      Finally, for women in this situation, be understanding of your ex husband when he says he misses the kids, the poor bugger feels like his heart is being ripped out when he hands them over, in exactly the same way you feel.

      For men, don’t be scabby bastards with money. They are your kids and deserve the best. Your ex wife, in spite of what the wanker men’s group[s say, isn’t living the high life, she’s working bloody hard to raise your children.

      There are a lot more bits of advice that I could give, to both sexes when it comes to being reasonable for the good of the children, I see way too many parents only thinking of themselves which brings out the worst in the other person, and the whole cycle goes to shit in a handbag really quickly.

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      • chef

        Love your comment. Gee, I wish you were my ex.

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      • Kez

        Love your advice anon.. Wouldn’t the world be a better place if more fathers could be like this???

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      • Anon for this

        Love you advice but can I add one bit I learnt along the way…

        Most Mum’s (myself included) need to learn to back off and let Dad and the kids form their own relationship and let the Dad parent “his” way.

        My relationship with my ex changed overnight once I did this :)

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        • Anon

          Actually not having to parent by committee can make life a lot easier and consistent for the child. And yes, letting Dads make mistakes (and learn from them) with how they parent is important too

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          • Stylus

            What’s parenting by committee? Surely the input of two parents as Anon for This suggested is not parenting by committee?!

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            • Anon

              Parenting by committee comes where separated parents don’t have the gumption to make a decision without input from the other, and the decision made ends up being a compromise over what the parents want, rather than what is in the best interest of the child.

              Ergo, the decision is more about the parents than the child.

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      • Essen

        Brilliant advice.

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      • Chrissy

        If I could like this comment 100 times I would.

        This week my ex informed me that because my daughter went to his house with broken shoes (money is very tight for me) he would be buying her some new ones.

        And deducting the cost from my already meagre child support. Go figure.

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        • Anon

          Chrissy,

          Tell him I think he’s a scabby bastard and he should just buy a pair of shoes for his kid.

          Parents, without making martyrs of themselves, are supposed to put themselves out for their kids, and buy a pair of shoes isn’t a huge amount of money.

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      • S

        I wish my dad could see your ‘for men’ comment. He has turned my 16yo brother into a nightmare for my mum, who works so hard doing odd jobs and does everything to give my brother a chance, by constantly telling my brother that mum is ripping them both off and should be spending every dollar on him.

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      • chillax

        Anon – wow!
        I have a feeling if your post was given to every newly separated family they would manage the details so much more easily.
        When people get scabby over money and access to the kids they are only punishing the children, why cant they see that?

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      • kate

        I am currently in the process of splitting up from my partner of 9 years, and he is being very selfish and, imo, headf*cking our 3 & 4 year old by asking him which parent they would prefer to live with and making all sorts of idle threats. I am terrified of what is going to happen.
        I am going to show him your reply. I really hope he takes something from it, as I have. I have no doubt that he does love our boys but I am worried that his motivations for wanting them full time are not in everyones best interests, and if maybe it is just to hurt me.
        Best thing I have read in weeks, and so timely too. Thankyou :)

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        • Anon

          Kate,

          I hope it all goes ok with your ex re the kids. Just remember that in the early days of separation the emotional crap rules over logic and reason.

          It is incredibly difficult to face life without your children being with you, and I remember being intensely worried about being a good father if I wasn’t with them all the time. It took a while for us to work out the best way to do it, but I really think that it was both of us were able to separate the issues.

          Be patient, be understanding and you’ll have the high moral ground.

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      • Flickster

        I think you are amazing. I really want to print this out and give to friends ex. Brilliant advice.

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      • chillax

        I guess if its a simple split it would be easier to take this approach.
        But what about when a new partner is being introduced to your children by their parent well before you think necessary? Or a series of new partners?
        Or child support is being paid and its not being used for the children, but for the social life and holidays with the new partner while the kids stay with grandma?
        Denying access or money is not acceptable, but sometimes it can be the only power a parent has.

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        • Anon

          Chillax,

          It’s hard for some people to cop, but the time to introduce a new partner is for that parent, not the other to decide, they are on the spot and have the information. To do anything else is to interfere with the new life of the ex. It works both ways to, but the best thing to do is to suck it up and concentrate on the needs of the kids hen they are with you. It’s worth remembering that an ex has no right to dictate terms of how the ex lives.

          Unfortunately, as you have written, some people still use the kids as a pawn to get something else. Issues of money and access are completely separate, and should never be used by parents.

          I’ve been separated for a long time, and in that time I’ve seen a hell of a lot of other parents in the same situation. You know what? I could count on one hand the number of women who have truly squandered money that is paid as child support.

          If the recipient of child support spends some of it on herself
          o have a night out with friends, well good on her. She doesn’t have to be a bloody martyr and give up her life because she is receiving child support, and in the long run a night out contributes to her health and well being, so good on her.

          I’m generalising here, but most recipients of child support are good mothers who truly do the best they can for their kids.

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          • chillax

            Anon, you sound like a top bloke!
            I am, fortunately, happily married, however was referring to a few situations that I know well.
            One went straight from the family home to living with another woman. The kids went from being with their parents together one week, to having dad living with someone else the next. Literally within a week. And he wanted them to meet her straight away! Personally I am on their mothers side in this, who thought it was far too soon and too much for the kids to comprehend. I really dont think that is of any benefit for the children. But that is all about the dad, his ego, his new woman and to piss off the mother of his children.
            Otherwise, I think you are very wise!

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            • Anon

              Chillax,the situation you describe is diabolical. If anything is going to screw with a kids head that will do it.

              Of course my statement was made in general terms, there will always be idiots who do things to the extreme.

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      • Faybian

        I love what you’ve said. I would also add that those parents that literally exit their child’s/childrens’ lives also need a kick up the bum. My ex did this and while ultimately it worked out well for us because my current husband was able to become their father, so to speak, it did feel horribly unfair and they did ask why he didn’t care.

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