Lordy, would I pay money to attend the wedding of Heidi Withers to her fiance Freddie Bourne. How come? Let’s just say all hell has broken loose since Heidi’s soon-to-be mother-in-law (Carolyn Bourne) decided to get a few things off her chest. About Heidi. And how rude and uncouth she thinks she is. And how maybe she would be an ideal candidate for Ladette to Lady. And then there was something about Heidi sleeping in. And having bad manners.
Hmmmm.
Mothers and mothers-in-law have always been a hot topic here on Mamamia. We’ve discussed them here, here and even here. I’ve gotta say, I think they often get a bad rap. My mother-in-law is fabulous. And she makes the world’s best lasagna. (Love you, Del!). And when I read the letter from Carolyn, I’m kinda left wondering if maybe she had a point. Or maybe the point is that all families have their own quirks. Traditions. And what is normal to me is too casual or too formal or just plain batshit crazy to you. And let’s be honest — it is SUPER stressful trying to win over your partner’s parents, siblings, grandparents, cousins, dog …
But enough from me. Here’s part of the letter …
from: Carolyn Bourne
to: heidi withers
subject: your lack of mannersHere are a few examples of your lack of manners:
When you are a guest in another’s house, you do not declare what you will and will not eat – unless you are positively allergic to something.
You do not remark that you do not have enough food.You do not start before everyone else.
You do not take additional helpings without being invited to by your host.When a guest in another’s house, you do not lie in bed until late morning in households that
rise early – you fall in line with house norms.
You should never ever insult the family you are about to join at any time and most definitely not in public. I gather you passed this off as a joke but the reaction in the pub was one of shock, not laughter.
You regularly draw attention to yourself. Perhaps you should ask yourself why. No one gets married in a castle unless they own it. It is brash, celebrity style behaviour.
I understand your parents are unable to contribute very much towards the cost of your wedding. (There is nothing wrong with that except that convention is such that one might presume they would have saved over the years for their daughters’ marriages.)
If this is the case, it would be most ladylike and gracious to lower your sights and have a modest wedding as befits both your incomes.
One could be accused of thinking that Heidi Withers must be patting herself on the back for having caught a most eligible young man. I pity Freddie.
Gulp.
Heidi forwarded the message to a group of friends. As you do.
Those friends then forwarded it on to others and then they to others and the next thing it was an internet sensation. Cool! Not really.
Freddie declined to comment. His father Edward Bourne, 63, said: “We have nothing to say.” Heidi’s father Alan has come out and said of Carolyn, “She has her head stuck so far up her own arse she doesn’t know whether to speak or fart.”
You can read more here and the full email here.
Do you have a good relationship with your in-laws? Do you have tales of horror or joy to share?








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I think the daughter in law is probably a little on the rude and uncouth side and to be honest, i don’t have a great deal of sympathy for her!! The only thing I will say though, is that if the mother in law had faultless manners she wouldn’t have stooped so low either. Maybe they both have something in common after all!
But really honestly, the whole point of being well mannered is to make people feel comfortable…i.e. no one wants to be concerend they are going to be stabbed with a fork while conversing over dinner (put the cutlery down between bites! do not gesticulate with your knife…!) or to see their friend licking their fingers (gross…where do I look?) really, most people of the Gen Y fame (and I fall into this category) have no idea about general etiquette and I think it’s a bit of a shame. But it’s just as rude to point out poor etiquitte as it is to have it. So there you go!
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I have had a few boyfriends mothers, and now of course my MIL in my life, and I have to say, I think both women’s attitude plays a big part.
Mothers who are possessive of their son’s affections and insecure about their role in his new life are bound to be trouble, they have decided not to like the DIL before they’ve even met her.
MIL like mine who (although she sometimes drives me crazy!!) realize that their “Baby boys” are actually grown men now and are excited to see their sons move ahead in their lives and make an effort to include the new women in the family are smart, they know they will always be part of the family.
The exact same goes for DIL’s too I reckon – if you recognise that of course your man is going to love his Mum as well as you (just like you probably love your Dad as well as your husband!) and not be all possessive of him, life will be easier.
Usually. =D
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I had a great relationship with both my inlaws and nursed my MIL for 2 years after my FIL died unexpectedly.
My previous boyfriend’s mother however, was a completely different kettle of fish. She managed to avoid meeting me for the best part of 3 years (she would leave a venue before we got there if she knew I was coming, she would suddenly get sick and go to bed, you get the drift….) Finally, on his birthday, I deliberately overstayed the morning (we both had to be at work that evening) so that I would see his parents at lunch. I opened the door when they arrived and she took a step back (I am not that scary!), looked me up and down and asked “and who might you be?” Remember we had been dating for 3 years at this point. Anyway, we had a strained lunch and then I went to work. BTW his dad was lovely. She had an absolutely iron hold over her grown up children. Sunday dinner was sacrosanct unless at work. I asked him to miss one once as this was the only day/evening we both had off together that week (don’t you love shiftwork) and she rang me to abuse me. In the 5 years we were together, I was invited ONCE to Sunday evening dinner! He is now 48, still single and still under his mother’s thumb. I think I had a lucky escape!
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My boyfriend’s mother and family have been so welcoming and supportive of me since the beginning, and as my family lives overseas I have spent every Christmas we have been together with his family and his mum always makes sure that she cooks some traditional food from my country.
She is simply fantastic & so supportive! It makes it so much easier to be away from my family.
In relation to the email I think it is just awkward and I feel for the whole family as there is no going back from this – and the wedding (if it goes ahead) will be more about family tension than a couple in love.
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First up — hooray for a positive story!
Also, I agree. Where do they go from here? So much more damage has been done because of the email. And then because it was forwarded. Somebody call Dr Phil ….
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Who is this woman? The Queen?
I’m lucky that both my boyfriend and I come from similarly modest families who don’t stand on ceremony.
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Yes I know someone who thinks she is the Queen too lol
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I agree with the mother in law.
This chick obviously lacks social graces.
The fact she’s emailed it to her future daughter in law is not very gracious though.
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If you read the full letter it says the bride is a diabetic. Maybe she wasn’t complaining that ‘she didn’t have enough food’. Maybe she really didn’t have enough?
A lot of the ‘issues’ are food related. Could it be that this woman was just resenting the inconvenience of someone needing to eat the right foods to manage their condition?
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Good point. I am vegetarian and I don’t care how ill mannered I may appear but I am not eating animal products for anyone. I usually bring something vegetarian to share so I don’t starve or just go with out or less no biggie. I think to daughter in law to be should email back. I want to see the reply.
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Umm, I am the only person loving that the MIL had the courage to point out how rude and badly brought up her future DIL is?
I agree about:
the castle, the thank you note, “not enough food”, big sleep-in, eating first etc
The MIL is out of line and uncouth herself, but if the DIL was that bad mannered, she had it coming!
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My MIL is awesome: she’s easy to be around and she’s a great grandmother to my children.
Oh, and as someone who was married in a castle that my family doesn’t own, I’d like to raise two fingers to this woman, however my good breeding dictates that I refrain
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She seems like a bit of a snob. Its one thing to have a problem with one persons behaviour, but to assume that her parents should have been saving for their daughters wedding is downright rude.
She doesn’t know the parents circumstances – she shouldn’t be counting other peoples money.
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Man I wouldn’t be investing 1 cent into that wedding.
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I just read the entire email from the step monster – I mean step mother in law – and it is the lowest of the lowest. This woman is extraordinarily delusional. Pity the poor poor husband. Heidi should run, fast and far. She should get out whilst she still can. It’s interesting that the MIL’s email is included……
http://whereismymind.co.uk/post/6756460507/priceless-email
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ahh MILs… my favourite topic. I have been married for 2 years and every time we go over to her place she insults me in one way or another. The most recent insult was a few weeks back. I was looking at her wedding photos (she was divorced after 1 year) and I asked her why she wore blue when she got married? her response! at least I wasn’t pregnant! I was pregnant at the time but lost my baby shortly afterwards
very sensitive topic for my husband and I…. that woman has no shame!
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That is horrible
I would have slapped her in the head!
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ooops..i should have written ‘ i was pregnant when i got married’
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Oh Suri – what a cow! So sorry to hear that.
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she should meet my MIL. Critical and insensitive to everything!! I’m in awe at all the ppl writing here how fab their MILs are!
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Last year we moved 4000km to get away from my IL’s & their disapproval of pretty much everything I do. It’s been bliss, it truly has…..except now they visit, and they stay for a looong time…eeek!
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Bummer!
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I strongly believe that you don’t just marry your partner but also his mother – and you need to thoroughly suss her out beforehand. Men and their mothers can be a very complex situation – how they relate says a lot about the man. Strong caution is warranted.
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I have a pretty terrible relationship with my MIL. I’ve been with her son for five years and have never been invited to spend Christmas with their family. Not that I would I want to but an invite would be nice.
She’s never rude to my face and we actually get along quite well but she loses her shit over things like me referring to her son as my ‘partner’ because it sounds ‘legal’. I hear all this through my man because it frustrates him.
I’m quite sad about it really because I have a fabulous relationship with my own mother and the mother of my closest male friends want to steal me to be their daughter in law! I always thought I’d have a really great relationship with my MIL… I’ll have to settle for a really great relationship with her son instead!
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that is truly terrible – how cld they not invite you to Xmas?! Does your partner go? I hope not. It’s great you have a great relationship with your mother, so many of us don’t, so treasure that. The MIL is, very obviously, the one missing out.
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He has a tiny family so if he doesn’t go he is very missed. We spend Chrismas apart with our own families, although he is always invited to spend it with my family.
I keep telling myself my relationship with my man is the important one but if we ever get married or have kids it could get really ugly. My parents adore him, as do I.
Thanks for the kind words! I do feel ever so slightly wasted on her.
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I’d find a story about who goes where at christmas etc. interesting. Lots of 20-something couples I know, who have been together for years, live together etc., still don’t attend family things together. I find it really odd. It doesn’t happen in our family, but with these friends, they go to christmas, birthdays, gatherings without the boyfriend because the boyfriend doesn’t want to go. How can a sense of family continue if your long-term partner can just opt out of extended family ties, even though there’s no real problem with the “in-laws”? Are women doing this, too? I do find it strange, and it can be uncomfortable – the sense of people not wanting to know each other etc.
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I have been married to my husband for 35 years, he had two children to a previous wife (who had remarried before I met him), I have loved them as if they were my own. My MIL has always been pleasant to me but through many comments I have found that we aren’t on the same emotional level. How does one accept the statement that “ladies don’t wear trousers” when that is all I wear, or “good on you, you actually have done some housework this week!!!” ,all said as an encouragement. Or “mothers don’t work” , as I have worked full time straight after the birth of both my children. Baby sitting was never offered and the one and only time my husband forced the issue it rained and MIL was surprised I brought the 3 year old out in such weather. Now she is in a nursing home and I don’t visit, I support my husband as much as possible, have never acted/ spoken about or hinted out how I feel. I just say I don’t like nursing homes.
I have always tried to be the most supporting MIL to my daughter in laws and accept whatever they are like, that way I have enjoyed the side of them that my sons love, and I get to enjoy my grandchildren. A sense of humour works wonders, and laughing at myself about things that must irritate them has also helped.
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I am onto my third MIL, not one of them easy….but this one is the worst of the bunch! She uses the F-word to describe my parenting and housework, she comes round and does my husbands washing and ironing (only his), tidies HIS drawers, even makes just his side of the bed. She makes meals just for him – his favourites – hot spicey food which only he eats. I have no problems if she wants to do my housweowrk, make our beds and tidy drawers – if it was for ALL of us – but telling me I am an over-indulgent mother who is f…ing up the children is a bit much to take….and I don’t like being told my true job is making sure her son gets decent meals cooked, a clean house and clothes…when I contribute the same as my husband. And to think my husband is afraid I will turn out like MY mother – ….perhaps i should post some of heremails to me on facebook too!!
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Oh god what a nightmare! I would definitely be laying down some ground rules with her.
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Oh Monica – no way. But you can’t have it both ways tell her to mind her business and her language and start doing your own house work. I would not put up with this.
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Change your locks!
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why do you allow this to happen in your own home?
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Freddie needs to cut ties with his mother fast. Hideous woman.
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To me Carolyn sounds like a woman who has been pushed to her limit. I can relate to her in this situation, although I can also relate to Heidi. Nobody did the right thing in this situation. The email should never have been sent, nor forwarded.
For the record, I love my MIL.
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You can’t blame Heidi for forwarding the email. I certainly would if I ever received such a vicious, righteous rant. Just sending this email is enough to show what type of person the mother in law is. She needs to focus on her own manners and behaviour, she’s obviously a nightmare.
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Agree that anyone with good manners would not have written this email. If I were Heidi, I would have forwarded it too, but it certainly wouldn’t have helped things, although my concern in the original was that it was forwarded on by Heidi’s friends. I would have been mortified if my friends sent this on so many times it ended up in the mass media.
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My former MIL was a lush. She sat one Xmas in front of my wine cellar asking me to open bottle after bottle and proceded to how her way through them – and these weren’t cheap wines! I started buying $5 ones just for her from then on.
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when I got married we had to have the marriage in the morning when my MIL (MIL Number Two) was still sober – I kid you not!
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I have an issue with my brother’s girlfriend and my mother does too. We both want to say something but we are scared to because we don’t want to be the evil mother in law and sister in law. We have tried really hard to get to know her in case we were wrong, but unfortunately we were not. Although her manners are far from the standard we have come to expect, and I could see her doing many of the things Heidi is being crucified for, and far worse (a lady should chew with her mouth shut and keep her legs closed) what we have a problem with is that her beliefs are fundamentally different to ours. Not religion, but ethics. On a family holiday, she spends no time with the family and instead does her own thing. She is critical of others, judgmental and has been known to say things like “I think it’s really rude for someone to expect their mother to drop everything to help them by picking up their kids”, which is the opposite of the way my family functions. We would do anything for each other. There have been many examples of her lack of morals and her basically selfish and deceitful nature. We spent a holiday together and at the end of it the girlfriend was in no doubt how we felt about her. She knows we don’t like her and my brother knows too. We didn’t say anything, but there’s only so much hiding you can do.
She told me she expects an engagement ring to cost at least $10,000 and I know my brother cannot afford that. She has outright said she does not want kids because she is too selfish and although I’m grateful for her saying that, I know my brother does.
As a result we now barely speak to my brother, nor to her. It has become strained and difficult to maintain a relationship with the elephant in the room. I admit I have not seen him for months. We were hoping he would see her for who she is and leave her, but he hasn’t. I am scared that if we say nothing they will get married and I will spend the rest of my life not seeing my brother. But we aren’t a family who speak of our feelings, we don’t discuss issues openly and we have no prior experience dealing with this kind of thing. We are big on if you have nothing nice to say, say nothing at all.
What should I do? Say nothing and hope he realises, or say something before it’s too late?
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Firstly I think you should cultivate your relationship with your brother. Have lunch with him during work hours or something. Don’t talk about *her*, just let him know you love him and that your relationship is important to you.
What I’ve discovered is that often the wayward girlfriend ends up growing on the family – they realise she really does love their son/brother, and he loves her and they get over the anger/resentment/annoyance and the relationship sorts itself out.
If she’s as bad as you say, he’ll realise when he’s ready. But you need him to know that you love him unconditionally.
JMHO
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I would love to but I forgot to mention in the original post that they moved interstate.
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No wonder they moved interstate.
“We spent a holiday together and at the end of it the girlfriend was in no doubt how we felt about her. She knows we don’t like her and my brother knows too.”
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He clearly loves this girl so I’m sorry to say but anything you do say against her isn’t going to be heard. I can guarantee he will pick her over you.
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Say nothing, he isn’t going to appreciate it nor is it going to change anything. Just be supportive when it all crashes around him.
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Thanks Freckles & Michelle. I think you’re right.
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Your brother is a grown man, capable of making his own choices and if he wishes to spend 10k on a ring that is his business, certainly not yours. I think your attitude is terrible and I feel sorry for them both. I’m sure she has many bad faults, she may be an awful person. But that’s his business and you need to but out unless, of course, he asks you for advice. I don’t like your attitude at all – you seem extremely judgmental and righteous. Everyone is different and you have a “we” attitude. Get over yourself.
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Louise, I took anon’s comment in an entirely different light. Perhaps she is being too harsh on her brother’s girlfriend, but maybe not. Regardless of how harshly she is acting, she came onto this forum, explained her feelings in detail and asked for advice. What she didn’t ask for was for someone to write an awful comment making judgements about her personality. She is obviously struggling with this issue and what she doesn’t need is people telling her to “get over herself.” In my experience, whatever your opinion, constructive criticism works best.
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Thanks Roxy, I didn’t mean it in a judgmental way. I did try with her, a lot! I have invited her to things, included her in things, bought her presents. Before Christmas and things blew up I took her a cupcake for no reason just because I know she likes them. I have tried going out to the movies and things just her and I. I WANT to like her.
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Ouch! I don’t think I have the kind of attitude you’re accusing me of. It was hard to write that and your reaction has made me cry. But I understand. You don’t go out on a limb posting something like this without expecting some negative feedback.
Generally I think I’m a pretty accepting person. I know a lot of people say that about themselves, but I’m pretty sure it’s true in me. I just find it really hard to accept her because she has demonstrated nothing more than a selfish, materialistic, mean and manipulative nature.
You have affirmed my belief that saying nothing is the way to do. Thank you for that (no sarcasm)
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anonymous – I think you should re-read the content of your post as this will explain the criticism by Louise and the reason her reply has been supported.
Comments such as – “Although her manners are far from the standard we have come to expect, and I could see her doing many of the things Heidi is being crucified for, and far worse (a lady should chew with her mouth shut and keep her legs closed) what we have a problem with is that her beliefs are fundamentally different to ours.”
and
“There have been many examples of her lack of morals and her basically selfish and deceitful nature.”
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“We spent a holiday together and at the end of it the girlfriend was in no doubt how we felt about her. She knows we don’t like her and my brother knows too.”
These are very harsh, bitter criticisms of this woman. I also found your post unfair, judgmental and righteous.
As Louise said she may be a bad person – you are certainly implying it – but you are being very critical of her and harsh.
I think you need to have a very close look at your attitude and re-read what you have written. It is so easy to be judgmental, it is one of societies greatest faults.
You also need to respect your brothers decision which you are so obviously not doing – according to this post. I feel quite sorry for this woman.
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Unfortunately if you love your brother and his girlfriend makes him happy then you are going to have to accept who he chooses as a mate even if you don’t like his choice.
By making it obvious that you don’t like her you are pushing your brother away.
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Yeah, I know, that’s why I have tried so desperately to make it seem like I do like her. I’m just a really crap liar and my face has given it away. I am always polite to her! I don’t try to be rude.
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Your story sounds the similar to mine. About 20 years ago, my brother met his now wife, and it was obvious from the beginning that she didn’t like us or want to be part of our family. Up until then, my family had been a very tight and happy unit. My parents, grandparents and I tried for years to include my SIL in everything we did, but she was so brittle and prickly that eventually we gave up on everything but the major holidays and family occasions. Sadly, my brother prefers to believe that the friction is our fault and his wife is blameless, and now our family relationships are strained and dysfunctional all round.
After some very strange and distressing discussions with my SIL over the years, I have chosen to cut ties with my brother and SIL.
My parents still soldier on, putting up with unrelenting criticism and rudeness from the SIL just so they can maintain a relationship with my brother and their grandchildren. It’s demoralising for them, and a source of constant sadness.
I wish someone in my family had been brave enough to say something to my brother about SIL’s odd behaviour early on. I guess we all knew deep down that he’d choose her over the family, and we were afraid he’d cut us off.
If I had the opportunity to do things over, I would definitely say something to my brother now. He’s a big boy and he’ll make his own decisions. But I think it’s worth making your thoughts known and pointing out how difficult things can get in future, especially if/when he has children.
Good luck. I hope things work out.
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sounds like my story too,
I know my MIL & SIL don’t like me & havent from the beginning, which I thought was unfair as they never ever tried to get to know me, (I am very well mannered & put up with all their crap & passive aggressive nonsense!)
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Sometimes, you can’t make in-law relationships work, but you can’t help your brother to make his own decisions about his relationships. Just keep your relationship with him on its own terms, and be there for him out of that.
My family tolerated really horrible treatment from my brother’s wife. She was constantly making hurtful comments, abusing my mother, criticising everything we did, and acting very jealously about everything (like comparing her perceptions of how much presents cost and then complaining if she thought they weren’t equal, or if people bought her something she didn’t like). We stepped on eggshells for years, until one day she went too far, storming out of a family birthday and spoiling the occasion for a ridiculous reason. She thought she’d punish us by not letting us see our brother or the kids, but everyone had basically had enough and we were just relieved. When she started to realise the kids were missing out, she tried to guilt and abuse us into seeing them again, but we wouldn’t have a bar of her conditions or her rudeness, and it’s been utterly liberating. We no longer live under the shadow of her wrath and nastiness.
Sometimes cutting ties is the absolute best thing ever. My brother chose to support her in her nastiness, so he spoiled his own relationships with us, in his own way. None of us is closed to relationships with them, should they change, or hint at reconciliation, but not with the demands and poor treatment that are aimed at us.
P.s. the sister-in-law, when realising she was cut out fo things, went around “friending” all my friends and acquaintances on facebook so she could find out about our lives and insert herself into it that way. Noice.
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Love my in-laws, enjoy their company, they adore their grandchildren (I am working as we speak – can’t you tell – kids are at their place baking). I am a lucky girl getting along as well with my MIL as well as we do. But she has said from the start she was always prepared to make an effort with her sons girlfriends and I’d like to think I’ll do the same with my kids partners.
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Me too! And not only do I have a fabulous mother-in-law but my two sisters-in-law are also amazing and if I had to choose sisters for myself, I would choose them. Stories like this remind me not to take them for granted!
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Both my in-laws are fabulous. When I had my daughter and was trying to learn how to breastfeed, my MIL was there every step of the way, even to the point of helping me shove my boob into baby’s mouth to get correct positioning! And my FIL cooked 6 weeks of meals to help us when we brought home our newborn. They rent us a house at a reduced rate as I am currently stay at home mum and they come overnight once a week to see their granddaughter and give me a break. The list could go on and on, but I know I am so lucky to have such supportive in-laws. I don’t know how I would have coped with parenting without them! It has shown me that family support just makes the whole experience so much easier and I hope that I can be just as supportive to my children and their partners when they have their own families.
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Oh dear God, how embarrassing. Silly woman. If she had any issues, she should have spoken to her in person, not put it out there for the world to see (even though it was not her intention.)
My mother in law is brilliant. I went back to work full time when my son was 11 months old. Not only did she look after him for free, she used to cook our dinner for us, bathe him and entertain him. There are some issues with too much mummying with her other two children (33 year old daughter still lives at home, never had a a boyfriend, never cooked a meal, no independence what so ever ) but that’s another story.
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My MIL is a right COW!! She is jealous of me and my home and anything that my husband and I do. She was a real MUMMY mum to my husband before he met me, and I think she cant stand it.. But worst of all what shits me about her is that she does not give a crap about my kids, her grandchildren, shes lucky if she sees them once every 6 months and she lives 10 minutes away, never buys them any gifts (she is very capable, she buys herself uneccesary things like sheets and pots and pans and chip makers, doughnut maker,s bread makers and all that crap!) yet she cant buy her grandkid a book from the $2 shop even so she has something to do when we visit them. I have now stopped going there until she makes an effort, it makes me sick how selfish this woman can be, its not like she is struggling, she is just fine.. she just makes me sick after seeing everything my mum does for us and my kids and she is in a much worse financial situation than she is!! So angry, she works me up!! LOL!
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hi your mother in law is the same saw her in january my sons birthday is in my she waited till we visited for her birthday in june to give him a present we also live 10 mins away. i am pretty sure she does not like me but this attiude should not affect the children
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I love a good smack down! (When I’m not directly involved!)
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My step-MIL is a dream. Absolutely LOVE her.
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My MIL is harmless enough but annoying and boring. She lives interstate so when she visits she comes for 2-3 weeks and lets it be known it is her holiday, so will not help with anything, not that we expect her to scrub walls or anything but even putting the dishes on the sink after dinner.
She is also morbidly obese but gives me the evil eye if I pour myself a wine while cooking dinner because she doesn’t drink. I feel like saying to her ‘hellloooo I have a couple of wines a couple of nights a week, you have a sausage roll every day for morning tea, dont go judging me girlfriend’. She constantly wants us to visit her even though we are family of 6 with 4 kids under 11yrs and she lives in a small 2 bedroom unit and one of those kids is our foster daughter thus being a nightmare in paperwork to take her somewhere longer than a week, she says put her in respite and cant understand why we wont as it would break our hearts to leave her as she has been with us since she was 3 months old. I could go on and on about the things that annoy me, but I’ll stop here because it just gets me riled up.
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I had to read that bit where she said to put the foster child in respite like 3 times. That’s UNBELIEVABLE! How awful would your foster daughter feel if you went on holiday with her? No wonder you get riled up!
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Jim and I spend a lot of time apologising to each other about our own parents.
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Hi peeps. Added the link to the full email into the post. Sorry!
http://whereismymind.co.uk/post/6756460507/priceless-email
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Thanks Rick!!
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My mother in law is amazing – she lives thousands of miles away in Germany! But honestly, when she is here she is so open minded and totally gets that I need my space. She’s very independent, broad minded and accepting, but the downside of this is that she doesn’t take a huge interest in my husband’s life. But he is okay with it.
I think my husband got the worse deal with the mother in law! He and my mother are very similar – stubborn, opinionated etc. They get along really well most of the time but when they clash, oh boy. Needless to say, organising our wedding a few years ago wasn’t all that fun…
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Who are these people? (That’s an honest question)….off to Google…
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OK back from googling – so these people are now ‘famous’ because of this viral email that the step-mother-in-law sent to the bride-to-be.
The step-MIL obviously thinks she has breeding – flower shops and all that darling – but clearly has shown this not to be the case by sending that email
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I’m certainly not defending Carolyn but I have to say I agree with her comment about the castle. There seems to be a trend of big, extravagant weddings at the moment and this whole “Its all about ME” idealism that brides-to-be adopt is sick, in my opinion. If its your own money then do whatever the hell you want but when you’re spending someone else’s? Tacky tacky tacky.
Am I the only one who wouldn’t dream of asking my mum or dad to pay for my wedding!? Its 2011 people…..
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i generally agree with what you’ve said, but with the castle thing – they are actually quite common ‘reception venues’ in the UK. I know half a dozen people who got married in castles in England…they weren’t big, and they didn’t use the ‘whole’ castle either – just a function room and a garden on one side.
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Hi P – yeah my mum and dad are english so I know its quite popular over there. Just to clarify – I don’t see anything wrong with getting married in a castle per see, its more that getting married in those sorts of places is usually at the higher end of reception venues cost-wise and I think its a little cheeky to have grandiose plans when you’re not picking up the tab….
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how come mm is only printing part of the email?
you really should have the whole thing up so people can comment on the full story
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We don’t always have room other Bec, but included links for the ‘read more’ part.
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but Rick, the read more link doesnt show the full email either, just the edited.
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D’oh! Added it in now
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My in-laws have been living with us for a little over six months. They are helping out with my two daughters and our brand new twins. They’ll stay until the twins are sleeping through the night and we can handle the kids by ourselves.
I’ve got opposite politics, beliefs and interests to my father-in-law. But we both want what is best for our families, so can’t really fault him.
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My in laws would have to have lived with us for two years if they waited until my son slept through night!
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Oh, I’m really bored of women complaining about their mother-in-laws. Often it cuts both ways. The DIL refuses to accept that her husband/partner can be influenced by or love another woman. She demands total loyalty. As a mother to two sons, with a mildly annoying, but generally loving woman for a MIL, I honestly try to just be as relaxed about it as I can.
I am acutely conscious that what really drives my MIL’s sometimes passive-aggressive behaviour is her need to stay connected to her son. She’s not a very good communicator, so I try not to whinge about her to my husband. I sympathise with her sense of alienation – we are closer to my family in all senses of the word. Plus I really don’t believe it’s right to drive a wedge between families. Everyone ends up unhappy.
That said, my feelings have softened towards her since I had my two boys, even though in fact she’s gotten worse. Perhaps because I am a mother of sons, and I can only imagine how hard it must be to be so distant from your own children, who you love so much.
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Such a great response. I’m now a mum to a beautiful baby boy and now feel really annoyed when I hear DIL’s complaining. My little bit and I are so close and it would break my heart if this changed..
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Why would it bother you both? People’s experiences are their experiences they are not just reacting to the cliche…Is this not a place to voice issues?
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Yep, my MIL is nuts! When I met my husband he wasn’t on speaking terms with her, I spent over a year trying to convince him the importance of family etc! We got engaged and shortly after this I fell pregnant – finally I convinced him to talk to his mum – I wanted my baby to know his grandparents! Well this didnt last very long! I was 6 months pregnant attending a wedding in which my husband was supposed to be best man (he was away with the army) my MIL attended the service with a young lady whom I was introduced too, she cancelled our coffee date to spend time with this other girl, oh well I guess… Long story short this other girl turned out to be my hubby’s ex gf… I sent hubby a message to say “thanks for the warning” but he had no idea she was going to be there! By the end of the night the MIL had sent me several abusive texts telling me I was a “piece of work” and a “troublemaker” and how he should be marrying the ex! Left me an emotional wreck! Needless to say she hasn’t seen our son since he was 5 days old (again because I made hubby let her see her grandson) he turns 2 next weekend! The saddest thing is she doesnt seem to care and has never even tried to be a part of his life
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I used to get on well with mine but since I’ve lived with my partner, she drives me a bit batty. She’s very passive aggressive but doesn’t seem to see it. She bullies my partner and has done for most of his life – he was an only child and for most of his life, she was a single mother. She is also critical about how his kids are being raised – even though everything I see her throw at him, we can see she did the same or worse so when he was a child. She visits from overseas and stays for weeks at a time at our place and expects everyone to be the same as her – ants-in-her-pants, never sitting still – and you’re viewed as lazy if you dare to have a quiet day or sit on the sofa.
Aaaahhh… that felt good to get off my chest!
In her favour, she’s not as bad as my partner’s step-mother. She’s a judgemental, loud, rude, opinionated bogan and I avoid seeing her wherever possible!
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Forget the in-laws, I’ve got three daughters and just realised they might expect me to pay for the wedding.
Cuss the cussing cuss cusser.
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I’m one of 4 daughters….I think my dad’s regretting not letting out more Y chromosones to be honest
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I think what you meant to say was “I’m one of 4 daughters… We’ve all decided to pay for our own modest weddings”?
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haha i think it has more to do with the fact that none of us want to watch car racing with him lol
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Who expects their parents to pay for their wedding in this day and age? My parents aren’t around any longer but even if they were, our wedding is OUR responsibility FFS.
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people who come from big ethnic families and are forced to invite relatives and their parents friends, whom they’ve never even met
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I found that line about parents ‘saving for years’ for their kids wedding the most suprising! I would never ever ever ask my parents to pay for anything in my future wedding, although my parents have said (in general conversaions about weddings) they think it’s nice for parents to contribute something if they’re able to. Their call, but I most definitely wouldnt plan a wedding around the expectation of someone else paying.
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If she wants a big expensive wedding and she and the fiancé don’t have the money to pay for it, she’s obviously expecting someone to cough up. And if her parents can’t afford it, then she must be expecting the in-laws to pay.
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Same. The oldest is in her 20s now and is in a serious relationship. Aaaaarh!!!
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one of my friends has had quite a rough relationship with her family. In short her parents died when she was very young and moved interstate with older relatives. Her siblings who were all older stayed where they were. she didn’t really have much to do with them til her late teen years, a few years after she started dating her now hubby.
her MIL refused to talk to her for MONTHS because she decided to spend Christmas dinner with her own family even though she was still having lunch with MIL.
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Having now read the full email I empathise with the MIL. Heidi sound’s like a rude and immature girl and her actions of forwarding the email to friends supports what Carolyn is saying.
I don’t agree with the forum Carolyn chose to raise the issue though I do question what has happened previously for her to take that action.
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My MIL is as nutty as squirrel poo…!!! She couldn’t even make an effort to come visit when her FIRST grandchild was born. Now he is three years old, she hasn’t met him – nor has she met her baby grand daughter!! Crazy!
Mind you – I think Carolyn Bourne really takes the cake!!! What a nasty piece of work!
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I don’t know if this isn’t a hoax. Went googling for the entire email that she allegedly sent aand found this link from back in January…
“Dailymotion – World’s worst mother-in-law? – a News & Politics videoYou +1′d this publicly. Undo
http://www.dailymotion.com › home › news & politics › videos7 Jan 2011 – Carolyn Bourne’s email criticising her son’s intended goes viral.”
Hmmm…
Hugs, Jasmine in Newstead
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I lived in London for nearly five years and believe me the class system is alive and well in old Blighty. The wicked step mother Carolyn Bourne has shown herself to be of very low class – I bet she comes from a down at heel background herself – as anyone with real manners would never have sent that email. Hopefully Freddie’s dad is on Heidi and Freddie’s side. Perhaps she might just choke on that plum that is no doubt firmly stuck in her mouth.
Reminds of that comedy sketch from The Catherin Tate Show of “Posh People”… Carolyn Bourne would fit in well there.
What a wicked bitch.
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Good point, Loulee. The class system in England is alive and well …. that definitely plays a big part in this story.
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Glad to be a colonial!
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Oh yes my family are from England and the matriarch thinks she is the Queen too. Nothing can please this woman. Always has something to comment on or a bitchy remark. Never misses a change. We bet on it each visit and I am a winner every time. No wonder the English has such a bad reputution. Well not all of them obvously just the whinging ones.
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Yes, no matter the motivation, sending an email like this is terrible manners.
It seems to me that Mrs Bourne has confused manners (making other people feel comfortable) with etiquette (arbitrary rules which dictate which fork to use for fish and that all thank yous must be hand written cards).
The daughter in law sounds like a bit of a handful (it’s 2011, couples need to pay for their own weddings), but putting all that in writing (if it is indeed for real) is worse.
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my issue is not with my MIL but my grandma-in-law, or whatever they’re called when you’re not married.
we were at my MIL’s house the other day for dinner. We started talking about roasts and GIL was telling me how i need to learn how to cook a roast for when I move in with her precious grandson (she didn’t say that). I politely told her that I don’t like roasts so if my boyfriend wanted one he would have to cook it himself.
She looked as if I’d told her I had child slaves chained in my basement.
She also doesn’t get why I’m “bothering with university”……..I have to be bribed to visit her!
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She sounds horrible! But that generation can be somewhat stuck in their ways. Just today my grandfather told me that I had turned out really well compared to “some of the dogs you see getting around. They should have been choked at birth.” Ah you just have to laugh.
Glad to hear there is someone else who doesn’t like roast, I always get looks of confusion when I say I don’t!
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Whilst I would agree that this letter could have been written more diplomatically I tend to get some of the points Carolyn was trying to get across-Heidi does sound like a bogan.
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If my husband wanted baked echidna…I’d cook it for him. I have also had him cook me offal if I wanted it. That’s love. If you can’t cook it, for whatever reason (I’m assuming you’re not allergic to roasts or anything…?) that’s another matter. Equality of the sexes was the intent remember..?
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I agree….equality
Her point though is that I should be doing ALL the cooking and cleaning when we move in together even though I have a full time job, a part time job and study part time whereas my bf works 1 job 5 days a week and is home by 4pm at the latest
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My husband does none of the cooking. He gets what I make and what I make is a hell of a lot better than stupid roast! (Dont worry, I still do roast potato’s… The only saving grace of a truly boring meal)
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i find my boyfriends mother very…interesting
His parents are very much CUB’s and I have a lot of issues with their racism, sexism and just blatant intolerance of anyone different.
my 20 year old boyfriend still lives at home and she does EVERYTHING for him, it makes me sick! he often attempts to do his own washing or whatever and she’ll just butt in and do it for him. she (and my bf’s father) often make comments that I’ll be doing those things for my boyfriend when we move in together. I sternly tell them that he is a grown up and is quite capable of making his own fucking bed!
they think im joking
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Expect an email…
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she’d probably ask someone else to send it for her!
she likes playing the “hopeless female” card quite a lot. She has actually said to me that she pretends she can’t do things so that her husband/sons will do it for her. I had to hold back vomit
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Sounds like you don’t have much respect for him…why are you with him again? Sounds like he may well expect you to run around after him. LOL!
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I don’t have much respect for his parents…..what makes you think I don’t respect him?
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Mine actually beat me in the stomach when I was heavily pregnant with her grandchild cis I used her washing machine
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OK you officially win World’s Worst MIL award!
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WTF?! Now that really IS the mother in law from hell!
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I would have shoved her in the washing machine!
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Now THAT is Bogan MIL from Hell award- I hope you had her charged with assault? good grief!
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Now that’s someone who’s truly precious about her washing machine!
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my MIL (not really, we aren’t married but still) is insane. She’s very passive-aggressive, everything needs to be her own way, she gets upset if i want to my partner and i to spend certain holidays with my family, she makes snide remarks about me in front of others that are intended to make me embarrassed and generally puts my partner and i down. The worst is when she compares us to her other sons and their girlfriends because they are incredibly disrespectful to the MIL and DIL but somehow they’re loved for it.
It does cause strain on our relationship but she thinks she is right about everything and saying anything to her doesn’t change a thing. She is one of the reasons i don’t ever want to get married.
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I’m pretty lucky, my MIL is great. She’s supportive, great with the kids, and thoughtful. My mother is a challenging MIL for my husband, but her heart is in the right place so I guess we’re lucky.
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“Dear Mother-In-Law,
Please don’t tell me how to raise my children. I’m married to one of yours and, believe me, there’s room for improvement.”
No, seriously, my MIL is a lovely person. She is kind and generous and cares about our family. But she never shuts up, she takes forever and a day to get things done, and sometimes she drives me batty. I know that, comparatively, she’s wonderful, but sometimes…..
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Rebecca I believe I have the best MIL in the world, who also makes the best lasagna!! Are we married to brothers by any chance and keep missing each other at family gatherings?
My MIL also makes the best Yoyo biscuits in the world, truly to die for!
……and my FIL is also pretty cool! Lucky me!
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