Mothers who breastfeed their children into the toddler years and beyond are no strangers to a bit of controversy. The debate was kick started again recently when TIME magazine ran a deliberately controversial photo on their cover of a woman breastfeeding her almost-four-year-old-son (you can see the cover shot that sparked discussions all over the world here.)
We hear a lot from the mums who talk about the benefits of breastfeeding older children and who don’t see a reason to stop. And we’ve also heard the views from the other camp – the mums who find the idea extremely unusual and flinch at the idea of breastfeeding a child as opposed to a baby. (Personally our view is mothers should do whatever works best for their family …)
But the voices we haven’t heard much from so much? The dads.
This report came out of the UK press earlier in the week:
When James Vincent’s wife Vicky decided to breast-feed their third child, he was nothing but supportive. Their elder children had the benefit of their mother’s milk and he wanted the same for their youngest.
But when Vicky was still feeding Beanie nearly three years later, James, 34, admits it had become a problem. ‘I found it difficult,’ he says. ‘It can inhibit your closeness to your wife.
‘I was fully supportive of Vicky’s decision, but it was hard not to feel left out. As a father you don’t have that closeness with your children for the first few years because the breast-feeding bond is so strong and exclusive…’
Like many fathers, he felt edged out by the extended period of feeding — known as ‘extreme nursing’ — that’s become fashionable among middle-class mothers.
‘I had to make a decision not to let it get to me,’ says James…
‘Vicky is uninhibited, but a lot of people still react with disgust at the sight of a woman breast-feeding an older child…’
It was very much mine and Beanie’s decision to carry on breast-feeding,’ [Vicky] says.
‘Some women tell me their husbands hate it,’ she says. ‘I think men view their wives’ breasts as somehow theirs and say extended breastfeeding can get in the way of physical intimacy.’
Later this month a new reality television show will air on Australian television called “Extreme Parenting”. The show – brought to us by the makers of “Bridezillas” – will chronicle the lives of mothers who choose to breastfeed their children for longer than the norm.
So what’s the big deal? Why do television producers think that we want an insight into these families’ lives? Perhaps it’s because in certain western nations it’s unusual for a mother to breastfeed an older child in public, so many of us assume that breastfeeding older children is more rare than it actually is. Or perhaps we’re genuinely interested in why mums make such varied choices about when and how long to breastfeed. Or maybe we’re just pervy.
So whose decision should it be, when to stop breastfeeding? Is it the mother’s alone? The mother and the child? Or is it something that parents should decide together?







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I stopped my first at 9.5 months as I fell pregnant again and babe seemed to suddenly go off my milk. Second baby exactly a year. I tried to offer the usual Pre breakfast feed and she seemed to have completely forgotten how to feed! Kept trying and was basically being licked so got breakfast and thought babe would ask but it seems that was it forever! I was a bit sad as I’d not realized that the previous day would be our last feed
but all in all both kids fed as long as they wanted. Their choice.
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I was advise by my doctor to stop at six weeks – I was experiencing quite severe blood issues and had to go on medication that wouldn’t have been good for him. Having said that, the nurse who led the class on breast feeding at the hospital said that it was a very western thing to wean early, but ultimately as long as the child is nourished, that’s all that mattered.
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Gross headline! A husband competing with a breastfeeding child for a woman’s breasts? Didn’t he have enough time with his own mother’s breasts? Cringe.
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I weaned my child at 15 months old because I had to get back on medication. I started weaning her back to twice a day (when she woke up and went to bed) before 12 months because I had to go back to work full time.
She started refusing to the night feed and was down to one morning feed by the time I had to wean her at 14 months.
Emotionally, I wasn’t ready to give up breastfeeding and neither was she. It took us about 6 weeks to wean off that last feed and only because my doctor was insistent that I had to suck it up (pardon the pun) and weaned her properly. She was still pining for the breast for a few weeks after which broke my heart.
Having gone through all that though, I was pretty sure it was an emotional attachment thing rather than any nutritional need on her part. She was perfectly happy and well nourished from other foods and cow’s milk we feed her.
It would have been nice to have kept breastfeeding but honestly it wasn’t the end of the world to have to wean at the time I considered to be rather early.
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My 3rd child is 4 months old. My hubby loves it that I’m breastfeeding because my boobs are SO MUCH BIGGER (i.e. full!) as a result!
He and I both know that as soon as I stop breastfeeding, they will resort to their post-child, saggy,daggy, baggy selves once again…Ahhhgg, gotta love gravity!
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I was more than happy to *share* my boobs with my hubby when breastfeeding my kids…for multiple reasons (ie best orgasms ever)
…obviously in the privacy of our own room
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No offence, but what the hell do boobs do with orgasm??
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If my hubby touches my boobs I feel horny…I’ll leave the next bits to your imagination
I found that this was much more intense when I was breatsfeeding.
However, I have never been aroused by anyone else touching my boobs – maybe he has a magic touch?
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To be honest I couldn’t care less if my husband wanted me to stop feeding because he wanted my “breasts back”. The last thing on my mind after feeding for say 12 months would be to hand my body parts over to someone else. Luckily my husband never had any problems sharing and we never had any issues separating ‘baby usage’ from ‘husband usage’, but on a few occasions I did feel like screaming out that I would like to just have my body to myself rather than everyone else claiming ownership of it.
As for women feeding toddlers, each to their own, I wouldn’t want to, and don’t think I could have gotten my girl to feed much past 13 months. She was only having a night feed to suckle on something. No interest in the others.
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I am currently breastfeeding my first child who is 7 months old and I LOVE it, so I can totally understand not wanting to stop and I will stop when I feel it’s right, regardless of what anyone else thinks, though it’s likely I won’t choose to breastfeed much longer than 12 months because I kinda want my boobs and body back.
What amazes me is a single childless very close friend of mine, godmother to my son, who on 2 occasions has said ‘you’re not going to be one of those women who breastfeed for ages are you, it’s gross’. GROSS! The things people say.
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Eek! Breast feeding always brings up very strong opinions :-{ I got shot down once on a discussion board for saying beyond 2 a toddler should be getting enough nutrients from other food and breast feeding after this was more for comfort or habit. I was told in no uncertain terms that the average world wide age was around 4 to stop being breast fed. I stopped debating but did think to myself that in many countries food in general isn’t available so perhaps breast feeding keeps children alive…. I think it is up to the mother and father about timing but if the only reason from the father is he’s ‘missing out’ thats just selfish.
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Ideally, i think both parents need to be a part of the decision making, however, i think that the needs of the child also need to be taken into consideration. Breastfeeding into toddlerhood is normal, natural and healthy. It is also a wonderful source of comfort. In reality, it is such a short time. If a couple are planning to be together long term, what does a few years matter? If a couple disagree over it, someone won’t get their way. I’d prefer the decision to benefit the most people. In the case of toddler feeding, mum and bub benefit. I think having a toddler can impede on couple time regardless of feeding choices anyway.
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Every mother I’ve ever met that continued breastfeeding past 2yrs have admited that they were not ready to stop, not the toddler.
I think extended breastfeeding serves a purpose for the mother, not child.
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I breastfed my son until he was just over 2 1/2. I wanted to wean him at 2. It took me 7 months to wean him as he was persistent. I would have loved for him to wean earlier. Weaning is not as easy as it sounds when you put it into practice.
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You can’t force a toddler to do anything, let alone breast feed. I’ve not met a two year old that says, yes please get that boob away from me (unless it’s *normal* difference in interest due to age & attention span).
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Did you also ask those mothers’ toddlers if they still wanted to breastfeed? I can pretty much guarantee the answer would have been “yes”…as mentioned already you can’t force a toddler to breastfeed if they don’t want too!
Breastfeeding a toddler can be exhausting – you can’t take most medications when you’re sick, you can’t drink alcohol, you tend to not be apart from them for too long so no big nights out, you get judged by the majority of Western society, and often told by your close family and friends to stop…not sure what wonderful purpose this serves the mother? I can assure you that mothers are primarily doing it for their child, because they believe that’s what THEIR child needs from them. Each to their own.
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I have a 5yr old (weaned at 2yrs) who would happily have a feed if I let him.
Have to agree, extended breastfeeding is because of the mother, not child.
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If the toddler was ready to stop, they would do so. You can lead a horse to water…
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not saying I agree with you (i don’t, my first weaned at 20 months and there was no WAY she was going to continue after that, trust me I tried!) but if it is for the mother’s benefit, why does it matter? Serious question.
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Im really grateful for this post because it reinforces how much I don’t want children. And I only read it because I have half an hour of time to kill.
Whilst I was out having fun this weekend, a bunch of bored mothers argued about breast feeding.
Thank you.
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What a nasty and unnecessary comment to make.
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Not really. Im expressing gratitude. It’s the mother’s here that are insulting other mother’s choices that are nasty…
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Dear Al,
‘Mothers’ is the plural. ‘Mother’s’ means ‘belonging to mother’.
Love,
The apostrophe police
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I think that’s a wise decision, I don’t think someone with an attitude like yours should have kids.
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My attitude is gratefulness for how ive
chosen to live my life.
The attitude here is from mothers to other mothers, and yourself.
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Reeeeoow!!!
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Once you have children you are very grateful to have boring conversations with other mums about boobs, poo and sleep. You also discuss all the other amazing things you get to enjoy having children in your lives. Before I had kids I always said I would have a general anaesthetic and caesarian to have a baby then I would ship them off to boarding school. How that thought changes when you have your newborn baby in your arms.
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And yet here you are.
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greatful for boring conversations about poo?
i’d rather have a life thanks
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Gosh! Some awful comments and some great ones!
Any mother who has had positive breastfeeding experience, and has a child that loved to nurse could surely understand breastfeeding well into toddlerhood. For a newborn it is so comforting and special so it stands to reason that nursing a toddler provides that comfort (not to mention nutrition) when the world is becoming very large.
Anyone that has not breastfed a baby, in my opinion, does not have any right at all to comment negatively on the subject. The father in the article isn’t saying that breastfeeding is negative for mother and child, he is expressing that it has some drawbacks for him, which is understandable.
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Shouldnt both parents have a say in how their child is raised?
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My husband feels the same, I don’t think it’s for bonding reasons but to ‘have his wife back’ mostly. I know he does feel left out, like he gets the scraps of my love after giving my all to our two kids (my 2 yr old is the one still bf’ing). Bf’ing or not, I think this is just one of the realities of having babies and young children, they do require alot of our time and it has to come from somewhere!
I also love the line in the article: ” ‘extreme nursing’ — that’s become fashionable among middle-class mothers.” Wow, I never knew I was fashionable! It certainly doesn’t feel that way! I just thought I was going with the flow of what my kids are asking from me. And for the record, despite engaging in ‘extreme nursing’ myself, and being totally comfortable with it in private, I don’t do it in front of others (except close family) and also feel a little uncomfortable seeing others feed their older toddlers…go figure!
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“Bitty…”
Honestly, I think extended breastfeeding is more about the mother than the kid.
But I also think that men who openly bitch about their wives not making their tits available are douchebags. So…
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I personally really hate how extended breastfeeding is portrayed in tv shows and movies…it’s always some sort of ‘disgusting’ joke. And as you ‘think’, that it’s to meet the mother’s needs. My 2 year old would beg to differ!
I don’t think any of us should judge the reasons behind a mother’s choice of doing anything for their kids, as quite frankly, only that mother would know.
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I don’t really judge it. I just don’t get it. It’s all right. I don’t need to.
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But you didn’t say in your opening comment “I just don’t get it.” You said “I think extended breastfeeding is more about the mother than the kid.” So you don’t *really* judge it, but you do judge it *a little*.
Wholeheartedly agree re the douchebags though!
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It’s an opinion/observation rather than a moral value judgment. In general I don’t really have a strong opinion on it. But as an observation, yeah. That’s how it seems to me.
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As a breastfeeding mother of a just-turned-one year old, I don’t have to deal with the label of “extended breastfeeding” quite yet.
But I can tell you categorically that my daughter’s and my breastfeeding relationship is most definitely all about her needs and NOT my wants.
I do not *want* her bloody sharp brand-new top teeth digging into my poor tender boobs. But she is nowhere near ready to wean – so I put up with it.
It really shits me when people talk about mothers extending breastfeeding for their own sake. My personal experience of mothering is that my wants and needs come a very distant second to my baby’s wants and needs. If we do end up “extending” breastfeeding it will be because it’s the right thing to do for my daughter – not for me.
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Do you give her EVRYTHING she wants? Or just this…. because suprise, suprise, it suits you….
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Did you actually read my whole comment?
It does not “suit me” to have my baby’s sharp new teeth cutting into me and painfully scraping my nipple. I’m currently really struggling with breastfeeding as she adapts to her new teeth. I would far prefer to not have to put up with the pain. If I were selfish I would wean her right now. I persist because it’s the right thing FOR HER.
(Thanks for the snarky response, btw.)
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If hey have all their teeth they don’t need breast, I don’t see many animals still breast feeding their young when this happens so why do humans. When children are able to eat a well balanced diet of solids then thats what they should be eating. I agree, anyone breast feeding past this point is doing it for themselves not the child.
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The Mama Cat (and others), this is a sincere question (I’m not having a go, I’m attempting to understand). How do you know it’s a “need” and not a want or force of habit? I’m not talking one-year-olds, I don’t consider that extended. But for older kids who are perfectly capable of eating a solid diet, how do you know it’s a genuine nutritional need rather than just something they’ve gotten used to and are reluctant to give up? I suppose it makes sense to think of it as a need because breastmilk is good for them, but I guarantee if you got them hooked on chocolate they wouldn’t be in any hurry to “self-wean” off that, either. Just a thought. Again, I freely admit I haven’t a clue about this stuff (I don’t research it because in general I don’t care. Breastfeeding is ideal nutritionally, I agree with that, but beyond that I don’t think about it much.)
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It should be no one elses decision but the mother’s. I worry about a television show about this topic for the fact it will create unecessary debate about something that is very personal for families when it’s clear that it’s a topic that is strongly divided.
I have been pregnant & breastfeeding for the past 6 years and am currently in the process of weaning my 2 year old. I would have preferred her to self-wean but she is not showing signs of wanting to stop so it’s been a long process to drop out feeds one by one. I do feel under pressure from society (friends opinions, work travel etc) to wean her which makes me sad, but it’s a fact that our society isn’t accepting of long term breastfeeding and I would kill for a full night sleep & to wear an underwire bra once again!
When long term breastfeeding becomes more mainstream in western society, hopefully women will feel more empowered to continue breastfeeding longer than they do currently, if it suits them.
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It’s the Daily Fail. Let’s not get too het up about their provocative crap.
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Lets all be supportive by slating each others breastfeeding choices…. *yawn*
I bf’d both my kids until around 9 months. That was enough for me. That was enough for us.
I know about all the benefits had I continued, but you know what, I wanted about 9 beers more than I wanted to continue! Haha!
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lol i feel you sista
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I pretty much continued until they became disinterested which was between 12-18 months. Beyond that it felt more of a comfort thing to become dependant on like the dummy or thumb.
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i wonder whether extended breast-feeding is increasing the mother’s risk of osteoperosis.
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No. Breastfeeding is known to mobilize calcium and help prevent osteoporosis. Of course weight bearing exercises do this too. I guess if you’re picking up a child so they can breastfeed you have both??
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All I can say is – I want my boobs back too!! After 3 children and 6 years of breastfeeding, my boobs are not what they use to be and I wish I had my old boobs back too!!
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yeah- I never got the old ones back, unfortunately.
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Sorry mate, they aren’t yours, they are hers.
I gave up breastfeeding my babies (who were toddlers by then) when I felt it was time for ME to get my boobs back.
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I breast fed 5 and all have been weend at around 1 1/2, I’m honest if asked I think mothers who don’t are selfish just as I do those whom do not immunise their children. I love the site of a baby breast feeding and think it should be any where any time….BUT I’ll admit I am repulsed by seeing children bf! Could be sexual connotation who knows I just feel sick. There is no value in regards to health for feeding a baby beyond 12 to 18 months and the majority of child experts I seem comment on extended breast feeding seem to wondering if it is actually damaging. Yes breast are designed to feed babies…BABIES…why a woman would want a child hanging off her is beyond me. I can also see the mans point here in that he is missing an opportunity to bond with his child and I don’t think he should be hung drawn and quartered if he felt sexual repulsed by it and by the age of three what to rekindle intimacy with his partner.
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You’re wrong. The immunological benefits of breastfeeding continue for as long as the milk is produced. Breast milk protects against a whole load of viruses and illnesses. Furthermore, the nutritional benefits don’t just disappear after the first 12-18 months – the milk is still calcium rich, omega 3 rich, protein rich and perfectly tailored to a toddler’s needs. Cow’s milk simply isn’t up to par for a human toddler, that’s why formula companies create toddler milk specifically to attempt to bridge that gap. But breast milk is live, fresh and tailored to needs. No infant formula, no toddler formula, can even begin to compare to that.
I can’t see that man’s point at all. Just as I couldn’t and wouldn’t see any man’s point if he wanted a woman to have a c-section so that her vagina was still ‘his’. It’s ridiculous and abhorrent that men should think that their sexual gratification takes precedence over a mother and child’s needs.
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Im wrong? Mmmmm last I heard the medical world agreed that there is no benefit. As for the immune system that’s up and running by two. Mmmm yes you may help with a case of the flu IF you have had it and are over it before they get it but in family situation it’s usually dominos. Parenting is also suppose to be a share commitment between the partners and that goes down to what a kid will or won’t eat so I don’t see why the how is much different. And being in a relationship is taking on board what your partner wants and needs are. I don’t think a male wanting to get back to sexual intimacy after three years heralds him as a selfish sexual deviant putting his desire over those of woman and child… PLUS it looks disgusting I would hate to be confronted by it
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If you’ve got to child on a healthy well balanced diet they would already be getting all of those nutrients you’ve listed.
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Show me a toddler who eats a perfect diet then…most I know are fussy, and breastmilk gives them everything they need, PLUS the immune benefits that no other food in the world can provide them.
Did you know that when a mum gets a cold, her milk produces antibodies for the child to protect them against the illness…And that’s just the tip of the iceberg, it is amazing stuff.
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*sigh*
“selfish”
This again.
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Yes selfish seems to fit why any one *sigh* wants to have a baby but not bf *sigh* is selfish
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My issue isn’t with the word “selfish” as such. It’s the fact the same name calling – not saying from the same person – is present on every parenting article. Do we really need to continue calling people “selfish” for making a personal choice for a personal matter?
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The World Health Organization recommends breastfeeding for “2 years and beyond.” there must be some value to extended bf.
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Name calling people. Not the argument. Name calling.
(FYI, I also find the argument tedious, but I respect people’s right to choose.)
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There is in third world countries where nutritious food is scarce.
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“hey kid i want my wife’s boobs back”? Uh, dude, they never were yours, you can’t have ‘em back because they never were yours in the first place … news flash, they actually belong to HER and she gets to do with HER body whatever, and whenever, she likes.
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To be fair that’s not what he said, it is just a deliberately inflammatory headline written by someone else. Reading the article he was expressing that he felt excluded in the bonding process, he doesn’t mention wanting his wife’s boobs back at all.
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Totally agree. He’s been taken completely out of context with that headline.
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settle down, you make it sound like ownership and that’s not what guys are thinking when they say something like “I want her boobs back”.
You’re over reacting and being ridiculous with that sort of response, and all you did was prove that you didn’t read the article.
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What bollocks. James, you aren’t worried about the bonds that are being built while the child is breastfeeding, you aren’t worried about your own bonds with your child. If you were, you’d step in and do all of the other bonding-rich activities. If the bond is genuinely your concern, then you can do a number of things that all boil down to one: spend more time with the baby. Play with him. Wash him. Bathe him. Take him out to the park and laugh and run with him, don’t stand there with your phone out, reading something while pushing the swing half-heartedly. Do the bedtime routine with him. Read him a book. tickle him. Throw your arms around him and tell him that you love him at every opportunity.
But no, you won’t do that. Because really, when it boils down to it, you don’t care about all that. You just want what you think of as your boobs back.
Guess what? They aren’t yours. They are hers. To do with what she pleases. And for now, millennia of biological mammalian evolutionary conditioning has her needing to do one thing with them: to feed and nurture her baby. Your baby. Do you get to have a say in how long that baby is fed for? No. Because, believe me, nor does she. She’s not doing it because she enjoys it. She’s doing it because she has to.
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Whoah!
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Ahhhhh no she doesnt ” have to” at all at that age the general consensous from the medical profession is that their is no value what’s so ever in regards to nutrition
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No, the medical consensus isn’t that at all. Breastfeeding has benefits right through toddlerhood. There are studies upon studies proving the immunological benefits. the nutritional benefits, the psychological benefits, the intellectual benefits and the emotional benefits of what we consider ‘extended breastfeeding’ (anything more than 6 months). The WHO recommend breastfeeding until the age of 2.
So yes, she has to. Because she knows what she is doing is the best thing for her child. If other women don’t think that they have to great; don’t. But that woman has to. If she felt that she could have stopped and weaned, she would have.
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Important to remember that all of those benfits mentioned above only occur if the mother is living a pristine lifestyle, which to be honest most of us would find difficult to do for such a long period.
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That’s simply not true.
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What do you mean by ‘pristine’ lifestyle?
You don’t have to be perfect to make the perfect food for your baby.
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Hey anonymous every one here are expressing what they think in a manner that says hey this is just me. But it appears your the world expert on breast feeding you ate what they term the bf Gestapo and such absolute structure to the dogma does no favors to the cause. I don’t see people debating below your magic two number either people are debating for and against in there own opinion CHILDREN being breastfeed which I think the expectation of that is three nd up. Hey could be wrong but you just saying
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That child is WELLLLLL past two!
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Wrong. There’s always a nutritional value in breastmilk. It is just less necessary in the developed world where a child can get a lot of vitamins and minerals from food. In the developing world, however, it is encouraged as long as possible, for the nutritional value, as well as the maternal antibodies it provides. That’s why you see relatively healthy looking babies and toddlers in famine struck areas. Because they’re mostly just breastfed, unless mums milk supply has failed due to her own ill health.
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You mean breastmilk doesn’t just change in composition at some arbritary age? Who woulda thunkit?
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I know right?!
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How do you know that he’s not doing all those things?
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Sydgel you just like to argue
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Not at all, it’s a reasonable and simple question.
Anonymous quoted the below statement and I’m asking how they know this to be. Simple
“while the child is breastfeeding, you aren’t worried about your own bonds with your child. If you were, you’d step in and do all of the other bonding-rich activities.”
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What a silly thing to say. She asked a question and I’d like to hear the answer to it as well.
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yes let’s hear it anonymous, you made a strong opinion, how do you know that he’s not doing all these things?
“James, you aren’t worried about the bonds that are being built while the child is breastfeeding, you aren’t worried about your own bonds with your child. If you were, you’d step in and do all of the other bonding-rich activities. If the bond is genuinely your concern, then you can do a number of things that all boil down to one: spend more time with the baby. Play with him. Wash him. Bathe him. Take him out to the park and laugh and run with him, don’t stand there with your phone out, reading something while pushing the swing half-heartedly. Do the bedtime routine with him. Read him a book. tickle him. Throw your arms around him and tell him that you love him at every opportunity.
But no, you won’t do that. Because really, when it boils down to it, you don’t care about all that. You just want what you think of as your boobs back.”
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Just what we need…. a television show ridiculing parents who feed their kids until it is no longer mutually benificial. What a bunch of nut jobs right?
Breastfeeding into toddlerhood (and beyond) is completely normal in many parts of the world. The only thing that makes it abnormal is Western societies frigged up idea that boobs are for pleasure, and not for feeding babies. Who sounds more mental here?
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I have breastfed and formula fed in the past. My partner always let me have the last say. When I was struggling to breastfeed for different reasons, no way would he have tried to insist I keep going!
When I breastfed my youngest for 2.5 years, no way would he have tried to stop me. That child was addicted to the boob, she was never getting sick, and I figured it was doing my body good in terms of lowering my risk of ovarian cancer. Thankfully he knows better than to put his sexual stuff before the well being of mother and child!
I think it’s ridiculous when fathers want a woman to stop breastfeeding so they can get closer to their child. How close you are to your child is your CHOICE, and it takes an effort. There are so many ways to bond with your child than just by feeding them. Also, I’ve known of many dads who pull this on their missus, so the mother switches to formula. Once the novelty has worn off after a bottle or two, the father often loses interest
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I actually realised there was something else important that I left out: yes, he always got a say. When I was struggling to breastfeed for whatever reason, he’d calmly say to me, ‘babe, this is making you really unwell! If you want to stop, don’t feel pressured to force yourself to keep going’. Usually he’d say this at just the point I was having the same thoughts, and I never minded that at all
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My daughter was breastfed until just over 2 years old. As her father I definitely noticed it was much easier to bond with her after she had weaned and the relationship we have became a lot stronger. For example, before being weaned if she became upset the only thing she wanted was a breastfed even if her mum was not around. Since weaning she’s been happy for me to comfort her and it’s not unusual for her to come to me even if her mum is also around.
Btw our daughter at around 6 months just refused to take the bottle (expressed milk). Was straight from the source or a screamfest. When she did allow it when she was very young I quite enjoyed doing the feeds – it is a great bonding time.
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as a non mother, I find all this breast feeding debate quite surreal. I don’t understand how it is anyone’s business except for the mother about how long they choose to breastfeed for. I know in my case I was weaned at 2 years old, but that my younger brother was over it by the time he was 12 months. So it’s different for everyone. I know that when (if) i eventually become a mother, I won’t be doing whatever “society” thinks I should do, rather listen to my intuition and assess how comfortable I’m finding it. I think mother’s go through this endless cycle of pressuring each other and in turn themselves to live up to some standard of breastfeeding when it is absolutely impossible to do so because of how different circumstances may be.
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Also not a mother, but shouldn’t the father get some sort of say in this if he is involved in the parenting of the child? I mean, yes, it is ultimately a mother’s decision, but surely you shouldn’t just exclude a father from the parenting process. Go for broke, ignore society all you want, but what about the child’s other parent?
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Good point, of course the father should have a say.
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I agree that fathers should have say in most things having to do with their children, but breastfeeding? Isn’t that just micromanaging a bit?
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I agree that fathers should have a day in most things having to do with their children, but breastfeeding? Isn’t that just micromanaging a bit?
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Exactly! The good thing is, when/if you become a Mum one day, you will be well aware that everyone’s opinions suddenly freely flying at you is weirdly and apparently, the norm. It won’t be a shock when this happens – like it was for me. You will know to ignore them immediately, kick all the judgement to the curb, and do what suits you and your baby
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Whatever works for you and your family. I BFed my son til he was two, and he self-weaned. I am still BFing my daughter – she is 21 months old. She will also self-wean when she’s ready. But hey, if full-term and extended BFing don’t work for you, don’t do it! Live and let live.
Oh and yes, toddlers and children who are BFed eat solids too. As for the reasons why people BF beyond one or two or three or whatever years, everyone has their own. My reasons include convenience and nutrition. But I am sure if you asked someone else, they would have different reasons.
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I’ve heard of men being uncomfortable with their partners breast feeding, especially post toddler age, for various reasons.
although I was more grossed out by a woman that told me she has had to breast feed for extended periods with each of her children because her husband likes the taste of breast milk and finds it sexually stimulating .
I know different strokes for different folks but I can’t even have a conversation with her husband without that little piece of info circling my brain!
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Oh ew!!! That would be reason enough for me to wean! I wouldn’t be able to look him in the eye after I heard that!
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When second son was born I was hanging around the maternity ward, (I couldn’t help it, just wanted to be close to them), and my wife was feeding our little boy and chatting to the lady in the next bed who was feeding her little boy. The curtains were open so I could see that she was feeding her son and I was fetching towels and stuff like that for both of them as they needed things. The husband of the lady next door arrived and went bright red, pulled the curtains closed and started yelling at his wife for being a “slut” for breastfeeding where another man could see her. The poor woman was in tears as this bastard then took the baby from her and gave him to the nurses to settle in the nursery. He then returned to his wife where he demanded sex. She was about 8 hours postpartum. My wife and I were gobsmacked to say the least.
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Holy Shit!
Did you get security in there??
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I knocked on the curtain (if one can do that), made myself known and asked him to keep it down as he was disturbing the other women and babies. While I was doing that my wife was calling the nurses. This bloke then started getting stuck into me and threatened to give me a belting for perving on his wife (I hadn’t, I don’t think there’s anything sexual in women breastfeeding).
The nurses arrived and kicked both of us out. Security came as well and escorted the pair of us out of the hospital with orders not to come back.
A couple of hours later I was called by the hospital and they asked me to come back, they’d obviously sorted out what had happened and I was allowed back in.
The unfortunate result was that every woman and their babies had a bad night after that. The lady with the bastard husband was very thankful to me and my wife, as were the other women in the ward (6 of them), but they still had a bad night with unsettled babies and uptight mums.
We left the state 10 days later but I often wonder what sort of life that woman and her baby have had since.
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Yeah, that’s awful, and you do wonder don’t you? I’d guess maybe the nurses referred her to the social workers? Hope so.
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Sadly, it’s not unheard of. Some men will also demand it when their partners get home from hospital, with the result of a trip back to hospital to repair stitches (if she has any).
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I understand that it does happen Faybian, but this clown couldn’t even wait until he got home. he must have been thinking about it on the way to the hospital. Apart from that, he was totally disinterested in his new son.
There are some things I just don’t understand.
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You’d be surprised and possibly a little disgusted by the things that people attempt in a hospital ward.
This is just one of the more vile things…..
I would imagine the midwives did refer this woman to a social worker. It sends up the DV red flags straight away.
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Just for a slightly different take:
My girl is 14 months and because she is allergic to dairy (medically diagnosed), I need to be dairy free to feed her. So naturally the weaning discussion has been had in my house (frequently when I have anything to eat that cheese would have made better). However my husband is as keen if not more keen for me to continue to feed our girl until she self weans because of all the benefits.
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I am in the same boat (though my son is only 6 months). Every time I am tempted to just have a tiny bit of cheese it’s my husband keeping me on the wagon for our son’s sake
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Have you felt better not eating dairy?
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I was in exactly the same boat! I hated being one of “those” people who ordered a decaf soy latte on the rare occasion I went for coffee
Breastfeeding is particularly beneficial for allergies, so it’s worth keeping it up for as long as possible! The other problem is that about 50% of kids who are allergic to dairy are also allergic to soy, so you may have trouble finding alternative “milk” drinks for your little one.
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I’ve been dairy free for 2 years whilst breastfeeding my daughter who’s cows milk protein intolerant. Whilst it’s been difficult, the positive thing is that I know every dairy free product on the supermarket shelves & have modified most of my recipes to accomodate us. I guess overall it has given me empathy towards her too. It’s tough, but totally worth it!
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I was just wondering whether you felt better not eating dairy. I’ve read some articles recently about the significantly lower incidence of cancer in asian countries where they don’t consume dairy.
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A child is created and brought into the world by two people, so yes, both parents should have a say in how their child is fed and brought up.
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Wow! Hadn’t thought of that angle but couldn’t agree more!
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Just curious, if you’re breast feeding a toddler, are they also having solid foods too? Dont mean to offend anyone, I dont have kids yet and not sure how all that works anyway
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A child would be dead if they were only getting breast milk and no solids by three!
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yes, they get solids too! most people start their babies on solids from 4-6 months, though some parents delay for a medical reason (probably not a very good medical reason). Having said that a toddler that has one breastfeed a day is getting half of the nutrients and calories they need from that breastmilk, so it would be possible I guess to breastfeed only, but not desirable as they need iron from food, and also chewing helps with their speech development.
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Yeah, KDot’s still breastfeeding at 15 months, but she’s been eating food since about 5 months. It goes up and down – but having been on uni holidays and therefore home with her, she’s been having heaps more feeds than normal.
Normally she has food and drinks water during the day at kindy, and then breastfeeds to sleep. That all went out the window when she had a shitty, nasty bout of tonsilitis a few weeks ago. All she did was breastfeed for almost a week. At least it is comforting and she’s still getting nutrition from it.
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At least she was feeding! Hope your little one is better now x
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I have fed my eldest two children for 3.5 and 2.5 years respectively – they have both also taken to solids with gusto
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Whyvare we back to this topic again? Seriously MM, you know what’s going to happen, is it really worth it? I couldn’t give two hoots how long other people bf, or if they do it at all.
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Hey ClaireC
Hope you’re having a smashing Saturday.
I am so with you – I couldn’t give two hoots either but I suspect that’s got something to do with the fact I haven’t got kids and don’t have an opinion either way. I suspect I will have one in the future and shall share it far too often and annoy lots of people with it.
The reality is though, lots of readers do have an opinion and want to discuss this topic. Also, today we’re considering a different angle on something we’ve discussed before and it’s an angle that the editorial team thought was really interesting. And I reckon there will be others who share that interest.
I’ve never considered breastfeeding from the point of view of a bloke before! And I was surprised that after reading this article, I really empathised with the father.
Anyway, totally understand if it’s not your cup of tea. Lots of other things going on elsewhere on MM today – hope they suit you better.
Have a great weekend.
Jamila
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Thanks for the reply Jamila, I take your point about he angle being a bit different but I have found that most of the replies are still about he appropriate age to wean. I realize that lots of people have opinions on this topic but just felt that it’s been done recently and gets a very predictable set of responses.
For the record I have two children and am not even going to bother detailing how I fed them and for how long as it doesn’t affect anyone but them and I. My husband wasn’t fussed about it either.
And yes, I am having a smashing Saturday, thank you!
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I’ve been breastfeeding for 6 years straight now. No, not the one child, I tandem feed and wean at 2yrs, overlapping pregnancies and babies.
I cannot stand my husband touching my nipples. He doesn’t understand and it is causing a problem. My youngest is 15 months and I plan to wean at 24 months and not have any more babies (Hubby had the snip)
I spend such a large part of the day breastfeeding and having him tweak my nipples irritates me. Yes, I’ve told him but he doesn’t understand.
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Yes! Me too when I was feeding our five! I hated any part of him touching the breast as by the end of the day it’s he last thing I wanted was more hanging off the boob!
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Excuse my ignorance… Can I ask without offending anyone – why would you breast feed a child past the age of three? If you do breast feed a child of that age – do you still do it in public? Just curious..
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My kids breastfed until 2.5, 3 and 4 years. They started solids at 6,7 and 8 months respectively because that’s when they showed the physical signs of readiness. The youngest one had no interest in mush and went straight to table foods. As the kid becomes more verbal they tell you what they are after. Breastfeeding was fairly full on during the first two years as toddlers can be fussy so breastmilk is a great backup plan in that second year. Some days they want to live on air. The third year tends to be more comfort feeds and the frequency slows down. By the time they are 3 I’m usually thinking about weaning and encouraging them to try other stuff first or telling them to wait. So after 3, there was very little breastfeeding in public unless I had a particularly grumpy tired kid on my hands. I was so over breastfeeding with my youngest because it was purely a comfort/habit thing as my supply had dried up.
In my job I have read a lot about child development and I also had the same ovarian tumour as Raelene Boyle in my late 20s. With those two things in mind and the WHO recommendations of 2 years, extended BFing made sense and it worked in well with our family.
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I have fed my eldest children for 3.5 and 2.5 years respectively. Both times, I fed them until they decided they didn’t want/need to feed any longer.
As for the why, I fed them because they wanted to feed, and it suited us all. Breastmilk is an excellent source of nutrition, boosts immune systems, is easy to digest (so often the only thing that will stay down during gastro, etc), and comfort.
I fed my children in public right up until they weaned, thought not often as they fed less often overall as they got older. I never actually had any issues with anyone saying anything – I probably got strange looks, but I never took much notice. After feeding that long, it just becomes pretty normal, so you get oblivious to what others think and how they react
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I’m going to sit back and watch the comments roll in on this one! lol
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I’m actually going to click off – it’s all been said before on numerous threads.
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