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birth plans birthzillas 380x399 Birthzillas: when its all about the birth, not the baby

 

 

 

 

by MIA FREEDMAN

“Did you have a plan for your placenta?” the woman asked me earnestly. She was pregnant. I was confused.

We’d only just met at a BBQ and as she repeated her question, I cocked my head quizically like a Labradoodle trying to understand a complex sentence. I’d never heard the words ‘plan’ and ‘placenta’ together and I was having trouble reconciling them.

“Huh? You mean did I, like, cook it or bury it in the garden?” She shook her head. “No, I mean when you gave birth did you have a plan for how your placenta would be delivered?”

Blink. “Um, out of my vagina? Does that count as a plan?”

More head shaking. The woman was growing impatient because she had a plan and she wanted to tell me about it. Her three page birth plan had “Delivering The Placenta” as its own subhead with half a dozen bullet points underneath.

I know this because she showed it to me on her phone while I tried not to stab myself with a sausage.

My personal view of birth plans is that they’re most useful when you set them on fire and use them to toast marshmallows. But there are some women who live for them: I call them Birthzillas because just like a Bridezilla focusses on the wedding not the marriage, The Birthzilla appears more interested in having a birth experience than a baby.

This term won’t win me any friends among those who believe passionately in a particular type of birth. Homebirth, freebirth, waterbirth, hypnotic birth, active birth, calm birth, silent birth……there’s a first-world menu of options for anyone who wishes to select from it, both inside and outside the hospital system.

Birthzillas usually speak about ‘empowerment’ and ‘control’ and use a lot of personal pronouns. Their own experience is invariably at the centre of their narrative even though they will always claim (and probably believe) that they’re acting selflessly for the good of their baby. This baffles me. It’s a bit like going to Paris and obsessing about the in-flight entertainment instead of, you know, PARIS.

Some women define themselves by the type of birth they had, even though their children are now in primary school. I antagonised this subculture a few years ago when I spoke out about freebirth (the practice of giving birth at home without any medical support not even a midwife) and called it reckless.

Many “birth advocates” came after me with pitchforks and autosignatures like:

“Anne-Marie, mother of Wyllow (happily freebirthed in 2002) and Jaydyn (proudly waterbirthed at home in 2004).”

It’s birth as identity and it’s odd.

The Birthzilla is such a first world creation. For millions of women, their birth plan is simply: “please let my baby and I survive”. However, among privileged women with access to safe and affordable care, I’ve noticed a growing fixation on the birth process.

For many, it’s about control. One of the most confronting things about pregnancy and birth is the unpredictability of it and women often believe they can regain control by planning. Babies, however, like to raise their middle finger at your plans. They come early, they come late, they get stuck, they get suddenly distressed or tired or tangled. I know you’ve made three playlists for the different stages of your labour but your baby doesn’t care.

tina fey bossypants1 380x553 Birthzillas: when its all about the birth, not the babyIn her memoir, Bossypants, the brilliant Tina Fey describes the birth of her first child like this: “Vaginal delivery, epidural, didn’t poop on the table”. Those three pertinent facts sum it up, pre-emptively answering the most common questions other women ask.

Men? They couldn’t care less. Never in your life will you hear a man urge a woman, “Please! Tell me more about the way you gave birth!”. Not even if she’s his wife.

While most women need little encouragement to launch into a detailed account of her birth from conception to the first time she has sex afterwards, men generally try to leave the room when the subject comes up. It’s just not that interesting to them. I don’t mean the part where they saw their baby for the first time. That’s mind-blowing. But the bits before that? Utterly insignificant compared to the lifetime of parenting that comes afterwards.

I recently heard a woman on the radio waxing lyrical about how her two homebirths “were the most incredible experiences of my life and I don’t know anyone who had a hospital birth and could say the same thing”. Me. I could. Three hospital births. Loved them all. And this is where I start to get tetchy.

Let me state for the record: I’m a fan of doctors. Love them. Especially obstetricians. If I could give birth in a stadium full of people in white coats with letters after their names I would do a happy jig. What? You’re a doctor of French literature? Mathematics? Oh well, come on down! The more qualifications nearby, the better.

But in the maddening world of competitive mothering, some women see their birth experience as a platform for smugness and superiority. A badge of maternal honour. The game of My Birth Was Better Than Yours is an ugly, destructive one. And hugely risky if it puts anything above the physical welfare of a baby.

So yes, I could bang on and on about my birth experiences. But I’d prefer to tell you about my kids.

UPDATE 6pm Sunday 17 June: Having read most of the comments and watch the debate unfold over the day, I just wanted to clarify four things.

1. Being a feminist does not – to me – mean agreeing with every decision made and every opinion held by everyone who happens to have a vagina. I will always be authentic and honest about my own opinions and this column is an example of that. Some seem to believe it’s my ‘duty’ to support all women regardless of their choices or behaviour. I’m afraid that’s not going to happen. I am one person with one opinion. I don’t claim to speak on behalf of anyone else. There are hundreds of contributors to Mamamia and thousands of comments that reflect a hugely diverse range of opinions which is as it should be.

2. I am not suggesting making a birth plan is reckless or even stupid. I’m not suggesting it’s a good idea to walk into your birth knowing nothing. Many commenters below have spoken about ‘birth preferences’ which I think is sensible. But becoming too fixated on the way you give birth is, in my opinion, a misplaced priority and ultimately often futile. And I’ve seen sooooo many women shocked, bewildered, disappointed and even ashamed that their birth did not go according to their plan. Being aware that it could all go to hell is an important part of preparing for the very unpredictable experience of giving birth.

3. There is a broad spectrum of Birthzilla behaviour. Some of it – making detailed plans for your placenta or compiling endless playlists for your ipod – is harmless enough. Trivial even. You want a water birth in a birth centre? Why not. More insidious are the Birthzillas who derive status and superiority from the way they give birth. They can be almost passive aggressive about it. And who says giving birth at home or without drugs is somehow ‘better’ or ‘more meaningful’ than giving birth via c-section or with an epidural or with forceps?

4. At the extreme end of the Birthzilla spectrum are those women who put their birth experience above the health and wellbeing of their baby. And yes it happens. In fact the South Australian coronor recently found that three babies who died during homebirths would have certainly survived had they been born in hospitals. You can read more about that here. In each case, their mothers knew the pregnancies were high risk and chose to give birth at home without medical support anyway. Their babies died. And for what? That is where Birthzilla behaviour can actually be a matter of life and death.

 

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  1. IVF-er

    Wow. All this banter.

    I would give anything to fall pregnant – let alone give birth.

    Perspective people.

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    • Anon

      Yep.

      As a mum of two ivf little people, the delivery was sooooo the last thing that mattered.

      I went in open minded, came out with two little beauties, and never once have I ‘grieved’ my birth experiences. So so so so so so very grateful to have anyone to bring home at all.

      I wish you the best of luck in your TTC battle.

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      • Alice

        Why does every woman, from the position of her own circumstance, have to deride another’s?

        I hope you do fall pregnant. I hope it’s everything you’re hoping it will be. I hope your birth is wonderful too.
        After everything you’re going through that is beyond your control, after all the wonderful assistance kind and skilled practitioners are offering you, it’d be awful if you had a needlessly, causally shitty birth.
        After all you have been through, you deserve a good birth… as do all women. The last thing you’d want is other women hissing at you to be grateful.

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  2. A

    Mia, I agree with the birth becoming a sport bit. I’ve had 2 normal vaginal deliveries in hospital. I don’t really broadcast the details for no other reason than I feel private about them. This no doubt led to a ‘friend’ announcing to a large group of people that I wouldn’t know anything about giving birth as I only had to fart and my baby came out. This type of thing has to stop and I applaud you for bringing it up and encouraging it to end.
    However, the bits about not having a birthplan don’t come over so well. I get what you’re saying, it often all goes out the window. But when it’s your first, I think it’s hard to visualize that incredible baby at the end. Certainly harder than the more immediate event of the birth, which essentially, at that point, feels like its only happening to you and is highly tangible. People come to it with a vast range of previous experiences in life, opinions on what is best for themselves and their bubs and what they want on a medical level.
    I had a mixed experience both times. I have a complicated medical history meaning the only choice was hospital. I got hooked up to all sorts of things, ironic as I hate all things medical. I’m also a pharmacist, so carry my own opinions on the various medication based interventions on offer. I chose no pain relief, not to be a hero, but because of how I personally felt about those things and my previous experiences with them. It hurt like hell!! But for me that was a more suitable choice than the drugs. First time, I ended up with a 2nd degree tear that was stitched with no local by a not so flash ob. Not pretty. Second time, no drugs, less medical intervention, stitches with local and a lovely obs. The birth still hurt like hell, but again, my choice based on my life experiences. I had a birthplan because in the worst case scenario, I would have ended up unconcious in intensive care if my health issues came into play and i felt my hubby and those around me needed to know what I wanted. I also wanted to avoid various things I wasn’t comfortable about if possible. Above all else, and at the top of my plan, was everyone comes out of it ok. I was so lucky, I had an incredibly hard time pregnant and recovering due to my health issues, but was lucky enough to give birth with minimal complications and have 2 beautiful children.
    We all need to remember we’re all different coming to this birth and baby thing with a huge range of experiences, strengths and weaknesses. Please Mia and Co, a little less ‘high school cool group’ and a little more of that wonderful warm inclusive stuff I’ve enjoyed and benefited from on this site.

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  3. Anonymous

    In my opinion this piece is very negative, judgemental and exploitative.

    A positive birth experience is far from the most important outcome of the event but to say that it has no meaning is just as ridiculous as saying it’s the culmination of a pregnancy. Many people deal with anxiety by meticulous planning and birth _can_ be wonderful and joyous.

    There is nothing wrong with wanting a positive birth experience AND a healthy baby. ;)

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    • Anon

      Ok, I’ll put it in perspective for you.

      Labour will take anywhere from 2 to 24 hours, give or take.

      The child, if born today, will live for 80 years, give or take.

      So the 24 hours of labour pales into insignificance compared to the 700,800 hours the child will live.

      So the birth is as important as a healthy child?

      Spare me.

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      • Alice

        By that reckoning a car crash that takes a split second or a rape that takes 10 minutes aren’t significant either !?!

        A bad birth has lasting fallout. A positive birth has lasting benefits. Any sane woman would be wanting and working towards a positive one.

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      • Esther

        Perhaps you could spare us. Anonymous has explicitly stated ” a positive birth experience is far from the most important outcome”.

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      • Arlycarly

        Why do some people find it strange that for many women becoming a mother will be the most profound experience of their life? Of course there will be many more important milestones throughout the baby’s life but I would count the moment I saw my children take their first breath as pretty special. How it happened is kind of beside the point but I will never forget it.

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  4. Lisa Lou

    Wow I find it so funny that just because some people are behind the keyboards where they never have to see the people their talking about they can be so rude and negative. Just incase everyone missed the name of the website we are on…. Mamamia…..because it is…. Mia’s website. Therefore darn right she can write what ever the heck she wants and if you are here to read it than she must be doing something right, Right? : )

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  5. missneriss

    I totally agree with this, Mia!

    It’s amazing how easy is it is to get caught up in the birth hype while you’re pregnant. I went from being really easy going to writing a two page detailed plan – no intervention wanted whatsoever – and thinking about it 24×7. It’s just like planning a wedding (getting caught up in the hype, I mean), but instead of obsessing over centerpieces and chair covers, it’s monitoring and oxytocin shots.

    I wanted no intervention whatsoever, but once I arrived at hospital (had no home birth option as I had surgery whilst pregnant), by sheer luck my gynaecologist was covering the midwife’s shift (as she was sick). The first thing he did was break my water and whack a monitor on the baby’s head. Two items on my “Absolutely must not do under any circumstances,” list. I was upset for about one second until I slapped myself and realised that he knows what’s best, and he really did. I was lucky as my baby had pooped and needed to have a close eye kept on her.

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  6. A

    Mia, I agree with the birth becoming a sport bit. I’ve had 2 normal vaginal deliveries in hospital. I don’t really broadcast the details for no other reason than I feel private about them. This no doubt led to a ‘friend’ announcing to a large group of people that I wouldn’t know anything about giving birth as I only had to fart and my baby came out. This type of thing has to stop and I applaud you for bringing it up and encouraging it to end.
    However, the bits about not having a birthplan don’t come over so well. I get what you’re saying, it often all goes out the window. But when it’s your first I think it’s hard to visualize that incredible baby at the end. Certainly harder than the more immediate event of the birth, which essentially, at that point, feels like its only happening to you and I hence highly tangible. People come to it with a vast range of previous experiences in life, opinions on what is best for themselves and their bubs and what they want on a medical level.
    I had a mixed experience both times. I have a complicated medical history meaning the only choice was hospital. I got hooked up to all sorts of things, ironic as I hate all things medical. I’m also a pharmacist, so carry my own opinions on the various medication based interventions on offer. I chose no pain relief, not to be a hero, but because of how I personally felt about those things and my previous experiences with them. It hurt like hell!! But for me that was a better choice than the drugs. I ended up with a 2nd degree tear that was stitched with no local by a not so flash ob

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  7. CK

    This is probably one of the most self righteous pieces I’ve read on this site.

    The most frustrating take away is your perpetuation of the uninformed idea that anyone who is interested in the process of childbirth mustn’t give a shit about their baby. You must love your babies so, so much more than any fool who chooses to have a birth plan.

    What you have done exceptionally well in this article is demonstrate the very same ‘smugness and superiority’ you claim is so ugly.

    The argument that birth plans are pointless because birth rarely goes to plan is ridiculously juvenile.

    Is it so hard to believe that some women might strive for a positive experience at the birth of their child? Why does that equate to selfishness? Surely you can’t argue that the experience belongs to anyone else more so than the mother; after all, she’s the one giving birth. You said yourself, you had three wonderful experiences at the birth of your children, presumably because they went to YOUR plan, whether written down or not. How does this make you any less of a ‘birthzilla’?

    Why are you so opposed to women feeling powerful about their own childbirth experiences, anyway? It IS an incredibly empowering experience. Motherhood is empowering. Women should be high-fiving each other every time a baby is born.

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    • Storm in a coffee cup

      Do you have children, CK?

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      • CK

        Yes, I do; I have two children.

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    • Skye

      I agree with you CK – these words in the article really stood out as being incredibly hypocritical: “But in the maddening world of competitive mothering, some women see their birth experience as a platform for smugness and superiority. A badge of maternal honour. The game of My Birth Was Better Than Yours is an ugly, destructive one. ”

      Why does it upset you so much that more women are doing all they can to have a positive, empowering birth experience? (oh my god, yes I have dared to use all those dirty words in the one sentence!). Yes of course unexpected things can happen, and most women I know who have gone to the trouble to get informed enough to have some birth preferences and prepare their body/mind for the birth are more informed than most as to the many things that can happen. There are just so many ridiculous assumptions in this article, I don’t get why you have to be so mean to women when it comes to birth when you are generally so into things like positive body image for women etc???

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      • Skye

        When I asked why does it upset you so much, I was referring to Mia, not you CK!

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    • Kris2040

      Um, that’s not what Mia is saying at all. She’s just saying that the birth “experience” isn’t the be all and end all. For most people it’s one day. A massively life changing day, sure. But when you get people, as I have had personally complain and seen it a lot more around on the net, saying how they are bitter about how their son or daughter came into the world, and that is what they’ll think of on their kids’ birthdays, because it wasn’t THEIR PLAN, then yeah, I’m derisive too. When people tell me or others that I haven’t actually given birth because I ended up with an emergency caesar, that is smug and superior. And if someone has a minutely detailed birth plan they expect professionals to follow to the letter, then I think Birthzilla is completely apt.

      Do you find the term and articles about “bridezillas” offensive too?

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  8. Rose

    Mia you are so right!

    Great post!

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  9. Hayley

    Great article Mia – I agree 100%.

    As always, you talk common sense!!

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  10. ash

    yawn…hasn’t this been done like a million times before on this site.

    i want to add my 2cents anyway. i had a natural home birth with baby #2, no complications, delivered her myself (i am NOT a freebirther, had planned a homebirth) because labour was so quick (less than an hour of contractions that i could actually feel) that midwife did not make it on time. it was painful (although breaking my little toe was way more painful) and scary but i did it and i am proud. i think i am entitled to be proud of myself. i am usually THE biggest chicken EVER but i gave birth to my beautiful my baby without any help, without panicking, without pain relief. i felt like super woman afterwards. i don’t run around sharing my story but when people ask me about baby#2s birth i share my story. proudly… and it was the most amazing experience of my life. rightly so… so maybe that makes me a birthzilla too…
    just for the record, with no#1, i had a hospital birth with epidural, forceps, 23 hour labour, episiotomy and i felt had been hit by a truck for weeks and weeks afterwards. i was also totally unprepared for the pain (they turned off my epidural when the time came to push). i suffered from pnd afterwards and had a lot of trouble bonding with the little one. so of course when pregnant women start asking me about my birth, i recommend the natural way. the birth experience does make a huge difference. ever heard of: happy mummy, happy baby?

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    • janed

      Hi similar story to me same trauma with 1st in hospital (and same truck- mine was big noisy semi with high beam on!) everything happening not in my control and definitely not on the birth plan which had basic stuff about the baby- skin to skin contact, leave with me etc yeah haha.
      No 2 planned at home with midwife. Wonder what the stats are on 2nd births at home followed by 1st in hospital? Not denying 1st births are harder and have the fear factor, I was so focused on that eg the birth- how when? forgot that there would be a baby needing so much at the end. I knew at least 10 women who did that (1st traumatic hospital birth/2nd planned homebirth) when I belonged to now defunct homebirth assoc in the 80s.
      Doesn’t say much for brand loyalty/ consumer confidence etc …just saying. Watch the attacks… yes I know some C sections are lifesaving. This whole thing/ comments etc actually makes me a little bit wary to write anything positive about the birth of my daughter and what a joyous wonderful moment it was for everyone- her, her father, 22mth old brother, my sister and best friend…even the midwife…and yes me. No one can take that away from you. You’ll own it forever! yep happy baby happy mother.

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  11. Pagan

    My first child was an undiagnosed breech – undiagnosed, that is, until I was 6 hours into labour, so it was a caesarean for me. My second child was not breech, and I wanted to attempt a vaginal delivery, but at 10 days late (and with induction not an option), it was another caesar for me. I remember bursting into tears when I was told I’d be having another caesar, but 3 days later, holding my precious baby girl, I realised it doesn’t really matter how they get from in there to out here; if they are healthy, and you are happy, then copious thanks should be given to whom- or what-ever you believe in!

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  12. Anon

    This has nothing to do with birthzillaring or placenta delivery programs, but the argument here is just doing loops so I thought I’d comment. When he was almost four my son described his birth.

    The question posed to him was “do you remember being born?”

    “Oh yes!, he said, then proceded to describe his birth in great detail. From his persepctive i.e being on the inside and getting to the outside, including having a headache because it was a tight squeeze, and seeing a light near the end. It was both bizarre and hilarious.

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    • Melsie

      Wow, thats amazing, did he really remember?

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    • Ana

      My sister maintains that she can remember being born. She’s 26 :)

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      • Anon

        I remember being born, I also remember things that my mother did when she was pregnant with me. To the point of describing in detail the holiday my parents had to Canberra a few months before I was born.

        Birth is not a good memory, imagine your head being squeezed to the point of being shaped like a football.

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  13. RenzaS

    Oh Mia, I agree with you 100 per cent.

    I didn’t have a birth plan. But if I did, it would have had four words: ‘have healthy baby delivered.’

    I had a high risk pregnancy that was incredibly medicalised (I think I saw my med team more than my husband for the 38 weeks I was pregnant). Little was left to chance, and most decisions, including the method of delivery, were taken out of my hands.

    But at the end of it all, a beautiful, healthy baby was handed to me. What more could I have asked for?

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  14. kase

    Can’t believe the uproar on this post. I think its amazing and agree 100%

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  15. Anon

    At the height of my labour as I was pacing the labour suite my waters broke and flooded the room and then with the next contraction I pooped on the floor. I wasn’t happy and insisted I needed to have a shower immediately. So I started running down the corridor of the labour ward with my ass hanging out the back of my open hospital gown, my husband and midwife chasing me. Who would have thought a pregnant woman in labour could run so fast. I made it to the shower but they dragged me out and back into the labour suite. (This at the King George V Hospital in Sydney pre en suites.)

    As you can guess this wasn’t in my birth plan. I didn’t have a birth plan as this was my second child’s birth and I knew there was no pointing in trying to plan anything as unpredictable as labour and child birth. But the greatest thing was… I was in hospital and the midwife was able to push the emergency buzzer for the paediatrician to attend as when my son’s head presented he was blue and needed oxygen immediately. After a few minutes of medical attention he was pink and perfect. And my husband still loves me after my waters broke all over him and I pooped on his shoes.

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    • Mia

      I love that you pooped on his shoes. In many ways this may be seen as a metaphor for marriage….. ;)

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  16. Caseload Midwifery

    For those who aren’t aware you CAN achieve a natural drug-free birth in PUBLIC hospitals with a midwife caring for you during pregnancy, in birth and after care. Offered in selected hospitals around AUSTRALIA.

    http://www.ajan.com.au/Vol22/Vol22.3-4.pdf

    EXPECTANT MOTHERS PLEASE READ – http://www.pregnancy.com.au/midwifery/midwifery-models-of-care/index.shtml

    Vic – http://www.worddesign.com.au/dhs/baby/models/model10b.htm

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  17. Andy

    This article is spot on. The goal of having a baby, is shockingly, having a healthy baby…not to win awards for your masterfully planned and executed pregnancy and birth. What shocks me the most is how many mothers-to-be suddenly become experts in their own right and continually ignore and challenge the advice given to them by professionals with years of training and experience in their field – which happens to be backed by fact and science, not anecdotal evidence.

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    • Buttercake

      Depends on whether you regard a midwife, GP, or OB as having the most experience.

      My vote is a midwife.

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      • misspuffkaraoke

        I wouldn’t want a midwife performing my caesarian!

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      • cw

        can’t you benefit from having both? i have an OB but will have a m/w assisting me throughout the birth.

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      • Anon

        I wouldn’t want a midwife without medical supervision. 2 of my children nearly died because of mistakes made by midwives.

        The children’s father noticed the problem and got the obstetrician to intervene. The midwife denied there was a problem.

        During the other birth both the midwife and anaesthetist screwed up. The midwife missed the chord around the baby’s neck and the anaethetist gave a double dose of epidural. Once again it was the Father who noticed both problems and made the obstetrician aware of the problems. This resulted in the crash cart being available when the baby was born, along with a full paediatric team to revive the baby.

        Thankfully both children have grown to be intelligent, when both could have been intellectually compromised due to incompetent midwives.

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  18. Loulee

    Yes I am with you Mia. Just had a discussion at the hairdressers with a woman pregnant with her first child. Advised her to prepare for the unexpected as the birth will not be like you imagine it is going to be. Labour is the worst pain that I have ever experienced and 14 years later I still remember that pain. My theory, may any labour be as quick and painless as possible. The main thing is mother and baby are healthy and safe. Risking the life of the baby because you want to be at home pretending it is the middle ages is really irresponsible and selfish.

    And the biggest joke of all… they send you home from the hospital with a new born baby AND NO INSTRUCTION MANUAL. If only the ante natal classes spent more hours on how to change a nappy or get one of those all in one suits on a screaming baby!

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    • Cordeline

      Loulee, I laughed at your last paragraph…so true!

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  19. Cordeline

    As I started reading this article, I immediately thought of a recent episode of Offspring (I just caught up on the season as I’ve been overseas for quite a while) and there was a storyline about a couple who were having their first baby. The woman was in the full-on labour and the husband was high on anxiety about the whole process and following a very specific birth plan he had drawn up (not his wife, but him). The woman was desperate for pain relief but he wouldn’t let her, she eventually asked for an epidural and then subsequently the husband made a legal complaint about the anaesthetist!

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    • Anonymous

      Just to be clear it wasn’t that he wouldn’t let her, it was that she didn’t want to dissapoint him, and he filed teh complaint because she told him they did it without her permission.

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      • Alana

        Umm it’s a TV show…

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        • Cordeline

          Very true :-) But I thought it gave a very accurate account of what does go on out there…. just IMO anyway….

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        • Kris2040

          Yeah, it is, but I don’t think you’d have to ask too many people in the business if they’ve dealt with people like that!

          I actually wondered what people like that made of the storyline.

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      • Cordeline

        Correct about the bit about disappointing her husband. But the husband did most definitely say when the doctor asked if she wanted to talk about pain relief, ‘are you talking about an epidural? No, no we just want a natural birth’.

        And then the poor woman lied to husband about asking for the epidural… she suffered trauma because she felt like a failure because she didn’t stick to the (very rigid) birth plan.

        Plus, you have to admit, the husband was a bit of a nutter…

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  20. daughtersofmassdestruction

    Having thought about this post and the comment it has inspired I think I can now establish my position on the ‘birthzilla’ (whether that is one intent on natural birth or a lemme walk backwards into the hospital so that you can get the epidural in asap type). And that is that in a first time mum it’s acceptable if not wise to write an elaborate birth plan listing your preferred play-list, descending order of placenta management preferences, instructions on volume of joy allowable at the happy moment. Just like a first time bride agonising over table centrepieces, it’s an allowable indulgence.
    Second timers, unless it’s a neatly typed one page list of bullet points it seems very over the top. And if you are still banging on about your wonderful birth (natural or not) and defining yourself and your child by that more than about 3 years after the event then it is exceptionally tedious.
    I love a birth story of any stripe, and I do bite back any ‘just you wait and see’ comments at terribly determined first-timers. After all, the first time you give birth is absolutely the very last time you get to have the focus entirely on you. Once that baby is out, it’s all over ;)

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    • Ana

      Love it :) there are 14 new or expected babies in my social group this year. Only two are for first time mums.

      It’s really quite funny – 12 expectant mums talking about their ‘druthers’ but really mostly concerned with managing a newborn and a toddler, sorting out tonights dinner or as you do once you have kids, wonder what on earth you did with all your free time Before Kids.

      The 2 first time mums are bright eyed and unsuspecting, reeling off their plans for birth and infancy. I’ve become quite practiced at smiling and nodding and not getting involved. We’ll have a similar conversation in a few months, once they’re on the other side of the birth experience.

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  21. Ray Ray

    Whilst I loved the article and can totally see where Mia is coming from as I have often felt like a ‘failure’ for having two babies, both by elective c-sections (first breech, second large and I didn’t want to risk a uterine rupture)…I’m a little concerned by this journalist’s spelling ability (or lack thereof). I’m am talking about the incorrect form of the word ‘to’ (should be too in that case) and the misspelling of the word discouragment (should be discouragement).

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  22. Anonymous

    I understand the loss of a baby is something many people here have experience with, but I’m really suprised by how many people have responded to posters here who said their plan was to have an intervention free birth if possible with comments about dead babies. The death of a child during childbirth is such a rare thing in this country, but we seem so much more hung up on it than in many other countries where the mortality rate is significantly higher.

    Not all interventions are done because the child’s life is at risk. Often doctors are quite happy to give a baby in breech a bit of time to change positions if the mother would rather not have a C-sec, and this is quite often successful. Sometimes labour is induced for the sake of an uncomfortable mother (fair enough) rather than any health risk to the baby. I know a few women who had a forceps delivery because the loss of sensation their pain relief provided made it difficult for them to push.

    Not immediately agreeing to any and every option your doctor gives you doesn’t mean you prioritise your birth experience over your baby’s life. There’s a difference between being giving the option of intervention to help you out a little (eg. being offered a C-sec because it looks like it’s going to be a really long though still safe labour), and being rushed to the operating theatre. Most women will have the former experience, if that.

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    • Ana

      I see what you’re saying. In my case it was actually my life that was on the line… woulda been exceptionally difficult to deliver if I’d passed out, which I was kinda doing as the prepped me for surgery. I think that’s the point for me, sometimes interventions are for the ‘helping out’ reasons that you mentioned, but sometimes they are for critical events that are time sensitive and you really are putting someone at risk if you wanna take 10 to think about it.

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      • Anonymous

        Agree, but my point was that such cases are rare in the scheme of things and it’s even rarer that a woman would take 10 to think about whether she wanted to save her life/her child’s life.

        Having a birth plan can actually be beneficial, because it usually means the person done quite a bit of research and thus is more likely to understand the situation. My ex-partner was a doctor, and he always loved the people who did their research and asked a million questions, because when the shit hit the fan they didn’t panic. He always said the worst patients were those who left everything up to the doctor, then lost it and started demanding more information when things turned bad and they didn’t have time/a choice.

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  23. misspuffkaraoke

    Mia, this is a brilliant article – could’ve written it myself! The “natural fallacy” purported by many birthing zealots fails to acknowledge that human childbirth is inherently risky. This is due to our relatively narrow pelvis created by evolution (in order for us to become bipedal). The whole anti-interventionist movement strikes me as a strange mix of fear of authority (doctors in white coats equals bad) and weird misogyny (women must embrace the pain of labour as a rite of passage). It’s not that I’m against “natural” births, I just think that holding a politicised aversion to something which could save your child’s life is bizarre. The statistics on infant and maternal mortality rates with and without intervention speak for themselves.

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    • Anonymous

      I’m having trouble understanding your argument. Epidurals and other forms of pain relief increase the risk of complications. Women who choose not to use pain relief may have made that decision to avoid the risks that come with using pain relief (I know that was my reason for not wanting an epidural or pethidine).

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      • misspuffkaraoke

        Hi Anon, I can see where the confusion comes from – in my haste to type a comment (I have a 9 week old!) I accidentally juxtaposed two arguments. Pain relief isn’t the only intervention I am referring to. There are a plethora of life-saving procedures (caesarian/forceps/suction/induction etc) which are considered “interventionist” by some. Sure, pain relief comes with risks but they are extremely low risks, especially compared with the figures on maternal mortality during “natural” childbirth. Ultrasound also comes with risks, but I doubt you refused an ultrasound. I’m glad you were able to give birth without drugs and that it went well for you, it just baffles me why pain relief in childbirth is so politicised in Western culture.

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        • Anonymous

          Believe me I’m baffled too. Thanks for your reply.

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        • Arcadia

          Huh? Pain relief has risks, and any pain relief comes with higher risks than no pain relief, unless you’re talking about during a caesarean, which I presume you’re not. Epidurals lower blood pressure, slow labour, pethidine suppresses breathing in the baby, which is why it’s not given close to birth.

          And yes, some women refuse ultrasound if it is not medically indicated.

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  24. devil in the detail

    I want to give birth in a rain forrest, whilst mating animals croak and chatter around me, and a man on a unicycle, juggling firesticks whispers encouragement to me, preferably in a language from some lost tribe that I cant understand, but I will know is very very important, and a woman with magnificent dreadlocks rubs organic oils into my skin, and just as I go into transition and Im in agony, Enya appears through the forrest singing ‘Orinoco Flow’. And we are all naked.
    And when its finished, we eat the placenta.

    Or I might just have an epidural and a c-section.

    I havent decided yet.

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    • Alana

      Oh that gave me a laugh. I can see little Anne Geddes-style baby fairies hiding behind the forest trees.

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    • Louise

      Loved the part about the tribal language that you wouldn’t understand but just know it was very important……Nearly choked on my cereal….thanks for the laugh!

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        Hilarious! Well done.

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  25. Sacha

    Hi. I think you have a very good point. As an antenatal teacher/childbirth educator here in the UK I teach about birth plans…and my key word is flexibility! Have a look at a recent blog I posted…http://birthetc.wordpress.com/2012/06/12/writing-your-birth-plan/

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  26. Cordeline

    Sorry, I’m going to be lazy and ask someone for a quick summary of the 1000+ comments below! I will hazard a guess and say that a big chunk of women are telling Mia she’s lost her marbles….?

    Me, I’m with you 100% Mia. 100 bloody %. I’ve given birth twice in hospital, it was great!

    Women who bang on about all the stuff Mia mentions, well, I really don’t have the brain space to listen to it all.

    Anyone who is pregnant surely wants the same outcome? The healthy delivery of a healthy baby. Why are so many people sure that if you deliver your baby at a hospital is going to be less of an experience?

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    • Anonymous

      There are very few comments about hospital vs. anywhere else. Almost all the comments are about birth plans eg. “my birth plan was DRUGS hahaha” and “I had a birth plan, are you calling me a Birthzilla” and “I’m an obstetrician and you should leave it all up to me” x 1000

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      • Anonymous

        Oh and there’s someone who keeps telling everyone to “calm down and have a cup of tea”

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      • Cordeline

        Oh really? That’s a bit boring! :-) Thanks for the summary, saved me a lot of reading!

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  27. booli

    I had a birth plan. Get it out. Thankfully, it went to plan both times.

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    • anonymous_for_2today

      get it out, love that. if i was capable of giving birth myself, that’s what i’d tell the hospital staff (or home helpers). “just get it out, and make sure we’re both alive and healthy by the end of it… just do whatever you have to do”. enough said. ;o)

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  28. Z

    Can we stop having mum fights. This article is no doubt your opinion Mia and that’s fine but it seems like its been dreamed up to generate site hits and perhaps get you a place on a chat show.
    Mamamia was so wonderful when it started out and you chatted about what was for dinner. It seems mean hearted now and a bit greedy.
    Can we talk about home renos for a while. I can’t stand anymore deliberately inflammatory articles.
    I made a light hearted comment earlier but I’ve had time to go and think about this and feel a bit patronized.

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  29. colleen

    If I were giving birth these days I’d want Seal as my doula. Good eye contact, right up in my space, telling me ‘You can do this. I am so proud of you. I’m glad to be on your team.’

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    • Denise Duffield-Thomas

      Best. Comment. Ever.

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    • Anna

      He may dance at the end and say ‘girl I’m so proud of you – you took care of your business!!”

      Thanks Colleen, you made me laugh out loud which is a big feat on a day where I am so bloody sick with the flu!

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  30. Lisa Lou

    Love this article Mia! Its so crazy how competitive women can be…
    Birth does not always go to plan, by all means create a birthplan ladies but heck sometimes somewhere along the way you may need to change it for the sake of delivering a healthy baby and I think some people get too caught up in the “having a baby” exeperience they forget that the plan may go straight out the window if there’s a complications which is something that does happen alot

    To be quite honest apart from friends who are yet to have a baby and be curious what its like its not really on my dinner coversation starters : )

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  31. karry327

    Mia, I’m with you!

    When I was pregnant with each of my boys, I only wished for 2 outcomes: 1) we both pulled through and 2) a healthy baby was born.

    If that meant they were born via c-section, naturally, with forceps, with gas, epidural or otherwise, so be it!!!

    I’ve only read a handful of comments on here because frankly I’m a bit sick and tired of the overbaringly passionate homebirthers, freebirthers, 8-billion-page-birth-plan birthers ramming their way is the only way down my throat. I honestly don’t mind whatever method you choose to bring your children into the world…. just don’t tell me how I should do it.

    From some of the comments that I did read though, I don’t see how Mia is being judgemental. Is it that she just dares to not express exactly your opinion on the matter?

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  32. Jamboree

    I freakin’ love this article. Agree 1000%. By all means go in with a plan, but THE most important part of that plan should be your acceptance that the plan is more than likely to change, and as long ask you and your precious baby are healthy, then that is A-OK!

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  33. Aly

    I think some people have missed the point of Mia’s article (or maybe I have, who knows). What I took from it was, not that having a birth plan as an issue, but that some mothers focus so much on what their birth was like, that they forget that the important thing is the baby.

    Took me 3 years to conceive with IVF, (2 MC along the way), and I was just happy to have my baby. I didn’t care how, as long as it was healthy and so was I. I got my wish. And am thankful every day. I don’t care that I didn’t go into labour etc etc. I didn’t miss out at all :)

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  34. TF

    The overreaction here is loopy.

    Let’s talk more about Tina Fey – she’s so cool.

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    • Megs

      I want to go to there!

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  35. Jet

    Is birth about the mother’s experience or ensuring a healthy baby is brought into the world? Surely it’s the latter!!!

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  36. Nic

    Hi Mia,

    I’m with you on this one. While I didn’t have an exact plan for my first birth, I did have very high expectations for how it would go – natural birth, was hoping to do it without drugs if possible (WHY??!!) and I generally expected it all to go smoothly – therefore I didn’t cope well when I was suddenly rushed into theatre for a crash caesarian under a general anaesthetic (thank God I was in a hospital and not trying for a home birth – my daughter would NOT have made it)… anyway, I spent a long time after that experience believing that I had failed, that my body had failed me, that I did something wrong, that it was me causing my baby distress – leading of course to quite bad PND.

    For my second birth, I had an ‘anything goes’ outlook, I was prepared to take drugs if needed (GAS IS GREAT!!), I was not going to blame myself if something went wrong, as it turns out, I was lucky enough to have an uncomplicated delivery that time around.

    So anyway, I enjoyed this article and I think if nothing else, birth plans can be a ‘dangerous’ (for lack of a better word here) thing IF they raise your expectations too high. That said, there’s also no harm in a little planning, so long as you’re prepared for the baby or your obst. / midwife to change those plans if needed.

    xxx

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  37. Lilly

    Hope all these babies born by ‘birthzillas’ put it on their CVs and job applications because obviously a drug free, natural birth will make them much more superior people than babies of mothers who used 21st century medical assistance… Lol!!!

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  38. So sad

    Oh I’m not even going to try to be articulate or be witty because as much as I love Mamamia, Mia Freedman you infuriate me and I’m speed typing this one!
    I’m no alternative, home birth advocate. Not against it, just wouldn’t do it myself. I had my baby induced in a hospital. Nevertheless, this article is completely offensive and quite ironically, it cries out “smugness and superiority.” You make me so sad to think that when someone wants to talk to you about their “experience” or “plan” that they are falling on such judgemental ears. Maybe you have made this a competition, Mia? Never considered that this for most women is going to be/was one of the most testing, painful days of their lives and would like to chat to someone that has been through it. Not need to compete. I understand you feel some people put their babies lives at risk, I get it. Yet, 99.9% of women just want happy/safe baby and if they can achieve their birth plan that’s a bonus. Having worked o/s in communities riddled with poverty I’m sure you’d know that most women pray they both are safe at the end but also have birth plans. Not necessarily “will I have an epidural” but definite plans and things to consider. The thing is, in birth, as you will know, it feels very like what is happening is out of your control. Having plans lessons the stress, anxiety and confusion for everyone. I think this article is so incredibly harsh on what women have to go through. Women don’t get pregnant for a birth experience (you are insane if you are). It is all about their baby. However, if you had an painful accident and then met someone else who had been through similar surely you’d want to discuss it? Sad you feel so cold

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  39. MM

    Why are we so hung up on ‘drug free natural’ births? A hundred years ago people had surgery and dental work done without the aid of pain relief or proper medical care. We no longer expect people to have tonsils removed without anaesthetic or teeth removed without first numbing the area so why do we stil expect women to give birth without pain relief? And why in fact are they looked down upon for asking for pain relief. I am with you on this Mia and my ‘birth plan’ for my two daughters was a to have safe delivery by following medical advice and ending with a healthy baby and mother. simple!

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    • Lisa B

      Spot on MM! Each to their own, but I don’t see why one wouldn’t take advantage of modern medicine…we do in any other situation! Personally I had an epidural with each of my 3 bubs…had no interest in drug free labour and refuse to feel guilty about it!!

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  40. Sangria

    BIRTH PLAN

    No drugs if possible.
    Delayed cord clamp.
    Skin to skin ASAP
    Delayed weighing and measure.
    Injection for placenta.

    WTF? Why the fuss?

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    • Cx

      Beautiful!

      I’m pregnant with my first & pretty much have the same birth plan…doesn’t have to be compliacted!

      Can I ask though, what is the injection for placenta?

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      • Anonymous

        They give you a quick jab in the thigh to speed up the delivery of the placenta… I think it’s Oxytocin or something…

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        • Kate E

          *synthetic* oxytocin – sometimes with a few other ingredients mixed in (ergometrine).
          Not without side-effects, including inhibiting women’s own levels of oxytocin.

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    • Denise Duffield-Thomas

      I’m a few years away from having a baby, but feel like I should copy this down for the future – nice and simple!

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  41. confused

    Mia,
    your clarification point about feminism reminded me of another post you wrote about Jackie O. You said

    ‘Girlfriends, come on. Feminism is simply about believing women should have equality and the right to make decisions about our own lives. Whether to work, who to marry, what jobs to do, whether to have children, when to have them, how many, who to vote for, what to wear…….the list goes on.’

    But not childbirth.

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  42. marijana

    Another genuine question: why is it that so many responses are BLACK and WHITE? Childbirth is not like that, every women knows that, there is a big shade of grey, yet many seem to put themselves or others in to either of these categories. Natural birth vs. birth with drugs vs. c-section. what? There is plenty in between guys!

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  43. Snowcones

    Roses are red,
    VIolets are blue,
    I didn’t eat during labour,
    so I wouldn’t poo.

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    • Anonymous

      I took laxatives the day before hoping to clear everything out before going into hospital. Sadly for me (and the midwives) they starting working mid the next day.

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      • Shaezy

        Oh I was really hoping you were going to put that in a poem. What rhymes with “laxative”? hahaha

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    • marijana

      lol

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  44. Emma

    Here’s a question, not trying to make a point, why is the high level of caesarian births in Australia “obscene”? who is it hurting?

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    • Anonymous

      It’s hurting the tax payer, its costs more. ;-)

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    • Tara

      It’s hurting the women being given unnecessary C-sections. When it’s necessary, a C-section is life-saving surgery. When it’s not, the massive risks of infection and other complications is just not acceptable. Especially for the women who are pressured into having one and have to shoulder the health burden afterwards for something they never wanted or needed.

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      • Anonymous

        There isn’t a ‘massive risk of infection and other complications’.

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        • cate

          A caesarean birth affects you for the rest of your reproductive life – ask any woman who tried to have a vaginal birth for their next baby plus loads of research shows it is much more risky for mum and baby.

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  45. phoodietweets

    GENUINE question to those who accuse Mia of writing about popular topics that “get the hits”….

    Ummmmmmmmmm…

    What’s she meant to do!?!?! Write about unpopular things that DON’T get hits!?

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  46. Dolly Levi

    This was a hilarious piece Mia i especially liked..
    Men? They couldn’t care less. Never in your life will you hear a man urge a woman, “Please! Tell me more about the way you gave birth!”.

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  47. millie

    Mia, I used to really love your writing because it was thought-provoking and inclusive. I really didn’t like this as a piece of writing because it really conveyed an “I’m right and everyone else is wrong” sort of tone. You wrote poignantly and beautifully about your birth experiences in your book. None of that came across here. I know you can do better and provoke discussion in a way that doesn’t make you sound so judgemental. I think you are a real “woman’s woman” from reading your earlier work. That quality is coming across less and less in your writing these days.

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    • L

      Really well written Millie, I think your spot on about the judgement and the tone.

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    • Mia

      Hi Millie,
      Thanks for your comment. As I mentioned above, this article was prompted by the SA Coroner’s findings about the three babies who died.
      And also by my own observations and belief that as a society, we are focussed to much on having a birth experience than what happens next.
      I don’t believe this does any favours to women who are giving birth for the first time and are led to believe that things will go according to their plans. I believe THAT sets women up for a sense of failure and discouragment and even PTSD after birth…..
      You won’t always agree with me but I am comfortable with expressing my opinion here and have been very open and interested in the response.

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      • Whippy

        Wouldn’t it be a better option to educate first time mums to build their confidence and knowledge to facilitate an attempted natural birth?

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      • Millie

        Thanks for the reply Mia. My comment was not about the subject or even your opinion about that subject- it’s the tone in which you are writing. That’s all I’m saying.

        xx

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        • Anonymous

          Mia – do you think your own experience of losing a baby has impacted your beliefs about birth?

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        • Amandarose

          exactly – It is the tone. a few sentence changes and the above article would be light hearted and funny but it seems more like a dressing down of all mothers doing things a bit differently.
          And her rants on home birth irritate me because hardly anyone does it and a very small majority are bonkers enough to do it when they are high risk.

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  48. Erin

    Re. Mia’s update point 3 – Birthzilla’s behavior
    I agree that giving birth without medical intervention and without drugs shouldn’t give women status and superiority. However, I am a huge believer in enabling women to deliver their babies with the least medical intervention as possible. For some women, that still may be a c-sec. However among my friends/family without babies there is an overwhelming belief that they won’t be able to have a baby without drugs due to the pain. What hope do they have? This story does absolutely nothing to dispel these beliefs and that frustrates me.

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    • Kris2040

      But this story doesn’t set out to educate and empower.

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  49. L

    So while I respect that this article is written with your own opinions in mind I do feel that maybe I could enlighten you a little bit.

    First of all, i’m not an advocate of birth plans personally. This is my own opinion and i don’t ram it down people’s throats, it’s just the way I feel. If people ask me, I simply respond “get the baby out and no drugs thanks”. If other people want to speak with my about their birth plans I listen in interest and I respect that it is their plan and not mine to comment or form an open loud opinion on.

    Now for the enlightenment. Increasingly I am finding that women who write on blogs or who have their own talk shows such as Chrissie Swan, write in earnest about their opinions when it comes to pregnancy, child birth and child rearing and while they share their own opinions and state that clearly I do believe that if you are a woman who is writing these things and are in the public eye, be it on a forum or the radio or whereever else, you need to have a little respect for your audience.

    So think about this for a minute. That woman who was standing there next to you sharing her birth plan because she is obvioiusly very passionate about it, how do you know that there aren’t reasons why she feels the need for some control?

    I personally have spent the last two years dreaming about my child’s birth, sounds crazy doesn’t it but having lost two babies at the end of the first trimester and now being 32 weeks pregnant, i’ve had the time to over analyse every little aspect of this entire pregnancy and no doubt without really meaning too, I’ll probably do the same with the birth. Do you really know what this feels like? And what about others. You know that after 20 weeks a woman most likely has to give birth to their baby if their baby has died in their womb. What a heart wrenching and painful experience – don’t you think that this woman would possibly want to ‘control’ aspects of her next birth. So quick to judge when maybe all you needed to do was listen.
    One of the things I really hate about our society is that quite often we are not a community, fancy turning that woman’s intimate experience that she was tryign to share with you into a blog that is so obviously miscontrued. You try and tell me that a woman who wrote a 3 page birth plan would seriously not think that her life and the babies life is what is the most important at the end of the day!

    So yes some women out there are trying to regain control – I mean have you been in a room with a sonographer who has looked you in the eye and apologised that your little baby who you have dreamt of for so long is not alive and then you see it so still on the screen and then what often follows is pain and medical intervention. Or have you given birth to a baby that was never going to cry or look at you or open their eyes. Maybe then you would understand why some women feel the need to control their experience.

    Shame on you and don’t worry, most of your friends, family and communtiy will not bang on to you about their birth plans from now on but i doubt you’ll hear much about their kids either!

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    • Anonymous

      Mia did tragically lose a baby and experienced many of the things that you referred to. It’s in her book mamamia

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      • L

        Well i totally admire her courage and strength in putting it behind her totally! Hopefully one day I will be able to say the same. But right now, 8 weeks out from the birth, I’m thinking that i would be quite offended if someone didn’t want to know about my thoughts/plans/fears.

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      • Dizzy Bee

        and Mia also has a few friends that experienced stillbirth too, so I think she is more than qualified to talk about ensuring you and your baby are healthy and happy.

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        • L

          Yes but then why does she see it as such a big deal for some women to feel the need to control their births through a plan? She should understand the need to control better than anyone!

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          • Cath

            L – have you considered that it could actually be the other way around? That other people don’t understand Mia’s need to not have a birth plan and to give birth with drugs?

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          • Anon

            Because you can’t plan a birth from start to go unless you are booked in for a c-section on a certain day and the hospital is running like clock work and your appointment is on time. There are so many things about a birth that you can’t control and I actually think it is dangerous at birthing classes to be told to make a birthing plan. It is unrealistic. Instead they should talk you through all the different scenarios that could happen so that you are prepared for them.

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  50. Boobies

    Why do so many Australian women who “try” for a natural birth fail…only to be convinced that for them it is impossible? In my experience as a doula, women put far too little thought into it at the start…that there isn’t enough “try” in their tepid desire. Though most women I come across seem interested in the subject of natural birth and even express a desire to have a natural childbirth, they don’t really want to bother reading a natural birth book or seek the right labour support. Usually they just go far enough to say, “I think I’ll try to go natural.” not realizing that it takes a full commitment and fervent desire to have a good natural birth.

    This laissez faire approach to natural birth preparation might have worked long ago when it was a foregone conclusion that babies come into the world in only one way; when women were surrounded by women with extensive knowledge of natural birth capable of aiding them in the process, but today when almost everything women face in the hospital environment hinders the progression of natural birth, it is naive to think that they will be successful without a fervent commitment to natural birth.

    Besides the lazy faire attitude of many women toward natural birth, women today face a challenge to their success that women in the past did not. The soft living of our modern age has become a pitfall that often leaves us unprepared to face the “labour” of birth because of the extraordinary exertions it requires. We have become too conditioned by the easy life, constantly having our basic needs meet with little effort.

    Convenience and ease is standard in our world of prepared foods and eating out, high-tech appliances, and instant gratification. We have an easy pain free life and so naturally we expect and want a pain free labour (a paradox in itself, perhaps labour should get a new name). To me it is sad that we’ve been taken in by the pursuit of the easy way and the soft life, since “the most worthwhile things aren’t easy”. We are missing out on some of the most worthwhile experience in life when we avoid the difficult pursuits. This is definitely true with child birth.

    Women who go into labor with a casual commitment to a natural childbirth rarely make it past six centimeters dilation before they decide they can’t do it. Most women I talk to these days simply tell me they tried and it was too hard. They’ve come to believe that women who are able to labour naturally simply must have better genetics and easier labours. They draw no connections between methods they used and the types of labour interventions they allowed and the fact that most natural birth mothers fervently reject such interventions as the only way to achieve their goal of “natural birth”.

    I do not want to marginalize legitimate birth complications which are real challenges for some women, but the statistics clearly show that these complications happen very rarely when labour is left alone and medical interventions are not used. Only 5% of normal healthy women who are supported by doulas or midwives and reject common medical interventions end up with cesarean births, startling when compared to the average rate of 30%.

    The sad part about these common experiences is that most of them are avoidable with some preparation and good labour support. Women who think they are unable to have a successful natural childbirth would be wise to take an independent look at their labours and ask themselves what medical interventions were used prior to the problem that arose, and could the problem be caused by those unnecessary medical procedures. It is my experience that very often the emergency measure is needed because of the unnecessary medical procedure that preceded it.

    A midwife (who provides continuous labour support) or a doula can do a lot to help a woman who has a history of large babies, lots of back labour, or long and difficult labours. Baby size is one of the most common “medical reasons” for routine inductions which are most often the cause of medically induced emergencies during labour and birth. As a doula I have seen women push for hours only to deliver a 6 pound baby, and another will push twice and a nearly 10 pound baby charges onto the scene. I have watched this phenomenon many times and it is my opinion that the traction that large babies have in the birth canal aids them in the birthing process as long as their mothers are using movement and gravity to help them along. Still baby size is one of the most common “medical reasons” for routine inductions which are most often the cause of medically induced emergencies during labor and birth.

    The thing that most often contributes to long and difficult labours is the improper presentation of the infant, an obstacle often overcome by simple positions changes and movement during labor. Medical interventions become the common obstacles to the correction of the baby’s placement because they cause a woman to be held captive to her hospital bed stealing her mobility and therefore snatching from her the most effective means of bringing her baby into the world by the power of her own body.

    Women who labour lying down and immobile are not only going to experience more pain, they will have longer labours and more difficulties at the pushing stage. This alone is the most common reason women fail in their pursuit of a natural birth, and one that is easily overcome by the presence of constant capable labour support.

    Whatever the reason for the failure the tragedy is that many of these mothers who walked into the hospital hoping for a natural birth walk out disappointed in themselves, or worse, horrified that they ended up on the c-section table. It has been my experience that the vast majority of women are able to labour naturally and bring their babies into the world by their own power so long as they lean upon the support of women who have confidence in and knowledge of natural birth.

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    • clairek

      I dutifully read Birth Skills with my husband, downloaded and dutifully listended to meditations put together by a doula to help me with labour, had a tool kit of items to help me get through it and a host of positions to help me ease the “healthy pain” of labour.

      After my waters broke and labour did not start I was induced. My baby was posterior, never engaged and his head was flexed before I even started having contractions. All the preparation and a good mid wife could not prepare me for the pain of back labour! I succumbed to an epi and after 3 hours pushing baby was not arriving.

      I ended up with an emergency csection, 1L of blood loss, a baby born not breathing and cervical damage to contend with if we go again. Not a nice birth experience.

      Oh, and changing positions to get gravity involved just ended up plunging my babys heart rate so it wasnt an option.

      Maybe it was my lazy faire attitude to pain…..I’m a bit offended.

      Anyway I am now over the trauma of it all and just glad to have a healthy baby. Next time I’ll be taking the safest option possible for us both

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      • Boobies

        Just out of interest, what was the time between waters breaking and induction?

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      • dimitterecanes

        I work in the medical profession and I’m sick and tired of these birth plan idiots. What do you want? Do you want a live delivery or some hippy trippy tale to bleat at the Earth Momma playgroup. The goal is getting the baby out safely; not your orgasmic birth experience. I really don’t care if you feel shortchanged by your ‘less than positive’ birth experience – the priority is the baby.

        Don’t get me started on the VBAC crowd. Sure, have a natural delivery and let your uterus rip to shreds. What would the doctors know. Ignore their advice, have the moonbeam delivery and let the baby die. You’ve had that delivery that defines you as a ‘real woman’

        Doctors are not there to hold your hand or sing karma chameleon to your vagina. Doctors are there to get the baby out alive. Don’t give me the garbage about ‘woman have been delivering naturally for thousands of years without medical intervention’. Infant mortality was rather high without medical intervention.

        If you want some Doula to deliver, go right ahead. When things go pear shaped and your delivery goes to custard, you will be wishing that clinical doctor with no bedside manner was there.

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        • Boobies

          It’s people like you who give birth choices in hospitals a bad name.

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        • sara69

          dimitterecanes – Exactly because of people like you working in the medical profession, women need a birth plan. I would feel in very bad hands if you were anywhere close by when I had my baby. And yes, I had a three-page birth plan and a doula, my baby arrived safely and I was lucky as everything went well with the help of two midwifes, doctors were not needed.

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        • VBAC mumma

          Really? My OB, a highly respected woman who works in a large public and private hospital, the biggest in the state and with a world renowned reputation was 100% supportive of my VBAC, she and I both agreed the risks were minimal and were at least equivalent to the risks associated with having a repeat c-sec. In the UK national health service, if you have a c- sec the first time, unless there is a very good reason why you need a repeat c- sec, you don’t get a choice but to try to have a VBAC. Surelybthe whole UK NHS Obstetric division are not in favour of ripping uteruses to shreds? I respect that you are entitled to your own option but you do not have the right to say that VBAC’s are a guarantee to ripping your uterus to shreds. I would never put my life or that of my unborn child into into unnecessary danger and thankfully my OB (I am guessing you are not one) agreed that a VBAC came no where near to do that.

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          • VBAC mumma

            Ive just reread your post and realised that you equate wanting a VBAC to ignoring medical advice and allowing your baby to die. I’m speechless.

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            • dimitterecanes

              No, that is not what I meant at all. Many women can and do have VBAC. There are also many women who are strongly advised to not go that route, who ignore medical advice, who want what ‘other’ women have. These are the women who will be left with not only a ruptured uterus; they have a very high likelihood of losing their child.

              Your obstetrician obviously knows her business and that is why you trusted her with yours and your infant’s life. Would you have ignored her instructions if she said “no, I would advise you to have a caesarean”? I don’t think you would have ignored her advice as you seem to be a very level headed and intelligent woman.

              What I’m getting at is women placing themselves in a risky situation to have the ‘natural birth’ experience. To me, that is ridiculous. The birth of a child, whether it is in a cold clinical atmosphere with an epidural or with unicorns and moonbeams will be a thing of the past once you hold your healthy baby. That is the point I’m trying to make. The birth experience should never be placed before the baby.

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        • Carolynn

          And here is an example of what I was trying to avoid by birthing at home.

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        • Felicity

          You are the reason I am so terrified of having a baby in hospital…

          :-(

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        • Anonymous

          doulas don’t deliver babies…they are there to support the woman in labour.

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        • cate

          oh my – this is exactly why women avoid hospitals – because of doctors like you. although you don’t say you are a doctor – just ‘medical profession’ – care to be more specific about your exact qualifications and what entitles you to judge that a woman’s uterus will be ‘ripped to shreds’ by having a VBAC?!

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          • dimitterecanes

            Cate, pumpkin, sweetums the reason women avoid hospitals is due to the abundance of ‘earth mommas’ who get into womens’ heads with a whole lot of nonsense. As to the Idiot women who will ignore medical advice and refuse to consent to the caesarean because they want the ‘real’ experience of delivering a baby the old fashioned way, they are out there. Empty headed and usually left with empty cribs.

            Of course there are women who can deliver VBAC, and if you can do so, fantastic. Although, if your obstetrician advises against it, don’t go against medical advice. You don’t know more than the doctor and as much as you may ‘know your own body’ chances are the doctor knows more about what is going to happen.

            My qualifications? Emergency surgeon at an inner city hospital. Have I seen a ruptured uterus? Unfortunately, more than once.

            Have your birth plan by all means. Be prepared to discard it when it goes wrong. The birth experience is of far less importance than a live birth.

            Hey, did anyone catch the bit about the homebirthing expert who died during the homebirth? Gosh, I hope she enjoyed her hippy trippy experience. ;)

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            • Anonymous

              What is it about surgeons? My brother-in-law is an emergency surgeon and he’s a bit of an ass too. Is there something about the profession that attracts that kind of person?

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            • Melsie

              Your last sentence is so damn nasty that I am flabbergasted. Glad I don’t have to sit at a dinner party with you. Unbelievable.

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        • Nat

          :-) love your comment.

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        • NiceBoulder

          Blunt. But well said. I often say to my husband, “Somedays – I really detest the stupidity of women”.

          Traitor, I know, but really.

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          • Anonymous

            dimitterecanes,

            Here Here!

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    • Daisy

      You obviously feel strongly and are very knowledgeable. I had 4 caesarians and the first was after a very long labour and CPD (a 10 and a half pound baby and a flat tail bone). I was prepared to try again but high blood pressure meant the second needed to be a caesar too. I am not disagreeing with you but I just don’t get while it has to be such a big deal. I did the ante natal classes and then when the time came they just weren’t relevant but that is all it meant to me. I was able to laugh about it. In days gone by, I would have been one of the women who died in childbirth and my other 3 children would not exist. I have never understood women who feel they have failed if they didn’t give birth naturally. Once it was over, I didn’t give it another thought apart from being eternally grateful that I was born in the age and country that I was. As far as missing out on labour the next 3 times..that was a positive! Of course I would rather have not have had to have major surgery and its attendant risks to myself and my babies but that is just the way it goes. I would also like to add that I have worked with many children who have problems because they didn’t get enough oxygen during their delivery. It’s the luck of the draw. We do our best and we get on with it.

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      • sara69

        Daisy, there is absolutely nothing wrong with a Ceasaran and it is great that we live in a country were we can have one when we need it. I was fully prepared that I might need one as I was induced. BUt I made a plan for that too, my fear was that I would be put under and not experience the firs moments of my baby on this earth. So I slept the nights before with a soft wrap that we had with us so if that had happened my baby could have been wrapped in it and it had my smell.

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        • Daisy

          What a good idea. I had epidurals for all 4 so I guess i never felt that I had missed out. The only plan I had was in 1985 my first was born. It was the year that they discovered HIV could be transitted through blood transfusions so I donated a pint to myself a few months earlier. When it wasn’t required it was thrown out as it hadn’t been through the testing process as it was an auto transfusion.

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    • bitterfluff

      “tepid desire”? “laissez faire”? A little condescending don’t you think?

      Every single first time mother I have ever heard of has utterley devoured every ounce of birthing information they can get their hands on, faithfully joined forums to be as informed as possible, attended pre-natal classes at hospitals, restricted their diets, improved their fitness, taken supplements to ensure the right nutrition for their much desired unborn child.

      We are NOT lazy, and we are NOT begging for c-sections after the first twinges of pain.

      I had to be medically induced to due serious health complications brought on by pre-eclampsia and gestational diabetes. After 3 long days of labour, serious blood loss and real risk of death to both my son and myself I agreed to an emergency c-section. This was indeed horrific to me as I (foolishly) didn’t even read the chapter in the book about this possible event. I read all about breathing, natural pain relief, meditation blah blah blah. All a bit useless when I was strapped to the bed for fear of convulsions.

      Articles like this make me physically nauseous as it brings up the guilt I feel at not being able to birth ‘naturally’, the guilt which took me to attempted suicide as part of my PND.

      At the end of the day, women – including doulas – should support one another, not criticise and belittle one another over choices and medical eventualities. Good on you for supporting women to follow their desires for a drug-free vaginal birth. But don’t dare judge me or any other woman for the way in we birth our children. You do your industry a huge disservice.

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      • Kris2040

        I had a doula. I’m glad it wasn’t this Boobies person.

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