by MIA FREEDMAN
“Did you have a plan for your placenta?” the woman asked me earnestly. She was pregnant. I was confused.
We’d only just met at a BBQ and as she repeated her question, I cocked my head quizically like a Labradoodle trying to understand a complex sentence. I’d never heard the words ‘plan’ and ‘placenta’ together and I was having trouble reconciling them.
“Huh? You mean did I, like, cook it or bury it in the garden?” She shook her head. “No, I mean when you gave birth did you have a plan for how your placenta would be delivered?”
Blink. “Um, out of my vagina? Does that count as a plan?”
More head shaking. The woman was growing impatient because she had a plan and she wanted to tell me about it. Her three page birth plan had “Delivering The Placenta” as its own subhead with half a dozen bullet points underneath.
I know this because she showed it to me on her phone while I tried not to stab myself with a sausage.
My personal view of birth plans is that they’re most useful when you set them on fire and use them to toast marshmallows. But there are some women who live for them: I call them Birthzillas because just like a Bridezilla focusses on the wedding not the marriage, The Birthzilla appears more interested in having a birth experience than a baby.
This term won’t win me any friends among those who believe passionately in a particular type of birth. Homebirth, freebirth, waterbirth, hypnotic birth, active birth, calm birth, silent birth……there’s a first-world menu of options for anyone who wishes to select from it, both inside and outside the hospital system.
Birthzillas usually speak about ‘empowerment’ and ‘control’ and use a lot of personal pronouns. Their own experience is invariably at the centre of their narrative even though they will always claim (and probably believe) that they’re acting selflessly for the good of their baby. This baffles me. It’s a bit like going to Paris and obsessing about the in-flight entertainment instead of, you know, PARIS.
Some women define themselves by the type of birth they had, even though their children are now in primary school. I antagonised this subculture a few years ago when I spoke out about freebirth (the practice of giving birth at home without any medical support not even a midwife) and called it reckless.
Many “birth advocates” came after me with pitchforks and autosignatures like:
“Anne-Marie, mother of Wyllow (happily freebirthed in 2002) and Jaydyn (proudly waterbirthed at home in 2004).”
It’s birth as identity and it’s odd.
The Birthzilla is such a first world creation. For millions of women, their birth plan is simply: “please let my baby and I survive”. However, among privileged women with access to safe and affordable care, I’ve noticed a growing fixation on the birth process.
For many, it’s about control. One of the most confronting things about pregnancy and birth is the unpredictability of it and women often believe they can regain control by planning. Babies, however, like to raise their middle finger at your plans. They come early, they come late, they get stuck, they get suddenly distressed or tired or tangled. I know you’ve made three playlists for the different stages of your labour but your baby doesn’t care.
In her memoir, Bossypants, the brilliant Tina Fey describes the birth of her first child like this: “Vaginal delivery, epidural, didn’t poop on the table”. Those three pertinent facts sum it up, pre-emptively answering the most common questions other women ask.
Men? They couldn’t care less. Never in your life will you hear a man urge a woman, “Please! Tell me more about the way you gave birth!”. Not even if she’s his wife.
While most women need little encouragement to launch into a detailed account of her birth from conception to the first time she has sex afterwards, men generally try to leave the room when the subject comes up. It’s just not that interesting to them. I don’t mean the part where they saw their baby for the first time. That’s mind-blowing. But the bits before that? Utterly insignificant compared to the lifetime of parenting that comes afterwards.
I recently heard a woman on the radio waxing lyrical about how her two homebirths “were the most incredible experiences of my life and I don’t know anyone who had a hospital birth and could say the same thing”. Me. I could. Three hospital births. Loved them all. And this is where I start to get tetchy.
Let me state for the record: I’m a fan of doctors. Love them. Especially obstetricians. If I could give birth in a stadium full of people in white coats with letters after their names I would do a happy jig. What? You’re a doctor of French literature? Mathematics? Oh well, come on down! The more qualifications nearby, the better.
But in the maddening world of competitive mothering, some women see their birth experience as a platform for smugness and superiority. A badge of maternal honour. The game of My Birth Was Better Than Yours is an ugly, destructive one. And hugely risky if it puts anything above the physical welfare of a baby.
So yes, I could bang on and on about my birth experiences. But I’d prefer to tell you about my kids.
UPDATE 6pm Sunday 17 June: Having read most of the comments and watch the debate unfold over the day, I just wanted to clarify four things.
1. Being a feminist does not – to me – mean agreeing with every decision made and every opinion held by everyone who happens to have a vagina. I will always be authentic and honest about my own opinions and this column is an example of that. Some seem to believe it’s my ‘duty’ to support all women regardless of their choices or behaviour. I’m afraid that’s not going to happen. I am one person with one opinion. I don’t claim to speak on behalf of anyone else. There are hundreds of contributors to Mamamia and thousands of comments that reflect a hugely diverse range of opinions which is as it should be.
2. I am not suggesting making a birth plan is reckless or even stupid. I’m not suggesting it’s a good idea to walk into your birth knowing nothing. Many commenters below have spoken about ‘birth preferences’ which I think is sensible. But becoming too fixated on the way you give birth is, in my opinion, a misplaced priority and ultimately often futile. And I’ve seen sooooo many women shocked, bewildered, disappointed and even ashamed that their birth did not go according to their plan. Being aware that it could all go to hell is an important part of preparing for the very unpredictable experience of giving birth.
3. There is a broad spectrum of Birthzilla behaviour. Some of it – making detailed plans for your placenta or compiling endless playlists for your ipod – is harmless enough. Trivial even. You want a water birth in a birth centre? Why not. More insidious are the Birthzillas who derive status and superiority from the way they give birth. They can be almost passive aggressive about it. And who says giving birth at home or without drugs is somehow ‘better’ or ‘more meaningful’ than giving birth via c-section or with an epidural or with forceps?
4. At the extreme end of the Birthzilla spectrum are those women who put their birth experience above the health and wellbeing of their baby. And yes it happens. In fact the South Australian coronor recently found that three babies who died during homebirths would have certainly survived had they been born in hospitals. You can read more about that here. In each case, their mothers knew the pregnancies were high risk and chose to give birth at home without medical support anyway. Their babies died. And for what? That is where Birthzilla behaviour can actually be a matter of life and death.






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Mia this is a brilliant article, thank you
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Just wanted to point out that not all Birthzillas are women.
I worked with a man whose wife was pregnant at the same time as me. He overheard me speaking to another colleague about whether or not i would want to have an epidural and exclaimed loudly – “my wife will definitely NOT be having an epidural”!
After his wife had the baby he came in and proudly described the whole thing =
“____ wanted to go to the hospital straight away but i had a look to see how far she’d dilated and told her she wasn’t ready to go yet – (this man was a public servant – NOT an Obstertrician). When i did finally take her to the hospital i had to keep telling them again and again that she WOULD NOT be having an epidural” (possibly they were trying to hear her answer as opposed to her loud and obnoxious husband’s).
Anyhoo you can imagine how disappointed he was with me when i came in on mat leave to show off my bub. Bub was 10 pound 8oz and because he loves his Mumma he decided to stay the heck away from my vagina and instead tried to climb up the other way!
So yes i contributed to the “very high % of caesareans being done in this country” and i couldn’t be happier (neither can my vagina)
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He sounds like that character in Offspring a few weeks ago! Congrats on your healthy baby, whether he/she came out of your vagina, tummy or ear!
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LOL so true, who gives a crap about anyone else’s birth stories or plans or whatever! I only care about my own and maybe my sisters and close friends. I’m not giving anyone pats on the back for how they gave birth, nor am I giving anyone judgmental glares. However, I will give pats on the back to all mums who give themselves completely to their children because it is a challenging job – the most rewarding job of course – but challenging none the less.
Out of interest, there are a large number of women who have given birth by c-section who are druggies, smoked, drank and whose babies are lucky to be fed, bathed and clothed… And no doubt there are just as many women who have given birth naturally who are druggies, smoked, drank and whose babies are lucky to be fed, bathed and clothed! How about we all just accept that the majority of mums do what they think is right for their babies and themselves and all mums deserve some credit because however they bring their kids into the world, they are going to have the same experiences as any other mother out there!
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I am another who has had wonderfuly hospital births under extremely close medical supervision, and I wouldn’t have my daughter without it!
What I take from this article is not necessarily that you shouldn’t have a birth plan but instead suggesting that one mum is not a better mum because of her choices/experiences/luck in birthing. There are several forums online, BellyBelly being the worst, that are ready to bring down anyone who elects a Caesarian over a natural birth or who bottle feeds over breast feeds, or even who chooses to not co sleep with baby for fear of suffocating. They must make these ignorant mums see that their way is the only way. I am full supportive of any mum who chooses “alternative” birth methods, I don’t understand it but each to their own. I am also supportive of mums wh breast feed and co sleep etc, again each to their own. However, I have given birth 3 times. My first was a natural birth and the baby was stillborn. The second was an elective Caesarian and passed away shortly after birth. And my third was another Caesarian who was dangerously unwell at birth but is a happy little toddler now. None of my babies were breasted, my first two for obvious reasons and my third because I had alot of trouble and combined with a sick newborn in NICU I really didn’t have it in me. I am now planning another and it will be a Caesarian birth and 99.9% likely bottle fed. I have never co slept with my babies, again the first two for obvious reasons, and my third because I was so afraid I would smother her and lose my only living child. I know there are women out their who would judge me and think they are superior for their choices. But I chose what was right for my baby. If anyone choosing a home birth or free birth truly believes they are doing it for no other reason in mind than their babies best interests then I say go for it. But if you are doing it to feel like you are woman hear you roar then… Let’s just hope everything goes perfectly because living life without your child is hard enough when it is out of your control!
I think everyone should accept that women need to do what is right for their own situation and don’t place judgement on those who choose a different way. Those who choose home birth shouldn’t be judged by those who didn’t (whether they understand it or not) and those who choose more controlled births likewise should not judge those who didn’t (again whether they understand it or not. A birth is not how you are judged as a mother, it is how you love and care for your children that determines the type of mother you are. And despite me having the most controlled pregnancies and births of everyone I know, I am a very good mum!
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I was an avid consumer of all birth magazines and books all through my pregnancy. My conclusion then was that things would just have to happen as they happened, reinforced by the fact that my best friend’s work colleague lost his wife and baby to amniotic fluid embolism a few weeks before I gave birth. Tragic.
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Ugh. “Birthzilla” -> less racist than “Feminazi”, but decidedly more snarky.
Typical.
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As a midwife I couldn’t help but agree with your article in the Sunday Mail. We see so many people come in with their Birth Plan, which they have downloaded from the internet, with comments about no intervention, when we dont intervene unless it is absolutely necessary. They do forget that a healthy Mum and Baby are the most important thing, and that a caesarian is only performed to ensure that outcome.
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hhhmmm I had a birth plan and a natural drug free birth.
What is so terrible about planning for your placenta that you have to be mocked on a national woman’s forum?????
The day that I had my daughter my husband took the placenta home with him. He went to the plant place and bought a young tree, as he transplanted the tree he buried the placenta. So now it is tree of special significance to my daughter as it was planted on the day she was born, and something that was so important to ‘coming into being’, now lives within ‘her’ tree.
I don’t like to be made feel a freak and to be called nasty names like “Birthzilla” simply because of the choices I made.
And yeah for the record I did it all for the good of the baby. It would have been so much easier on me to have been numbed from the waist down and have my baby pulled out of me.
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Yes it is so easy to be numbed from the waist down and have your baby pulled out of you! That is the sort of comment that creates an article such as this, the sarcasm clearly indicates that you think you are much more of a woman and a better mother because you didn’t choose the “easy” option! No birth is easy, a Caesarian is not without pain… And I doubt many women would choose a caesarian because they think it is the easy way out, some may have had complicated births previously, some have medical conditions that make it necessary, some have been in labour slogging it out and their baby goes into distress so they do what they think is necessary to bring their baby out safely. And some, like myself, have had the traumatic and heartbreaking experience of labouring and subsequently delivering a dead baby and would like to make sure their next child arrives alive and well.
I am not saying you are wrong for your choices, but it does seem you are suggesting a Caesarian is the easy way… Wanna trade places?
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I can feel, see and smell your judgement.
Cat girl, great that you had everything your way but just because another had everything a different way, doesn’t mean you can judge.
Fantastic you managed to plant the placenta on the day of birth, again doesn’t make you better. Some families choose to stay together on the day of birth, not go plant shopping. Some mums or bub’s are very sick on the day on birth, too sick to even think of trees or placentas.
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As a girl who has had two emergency c-sections (singleton and twin pregnancy) – if find your comments completely offensice Catgirl! I didn’t choose to be ‘numbed from the waist down and have my babies pulled from me’, but, if I didn’t I and my children would be dead!
It is women like you who this article is aimed at – try having major abdominal surgery and see how you feel afterwards
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Good on you catgirl. It’s one thing to not be interested in birth (although how you could go through it and not be interested is a bit beyond me), it’s another thing entirely to accuse women of not caring for their unborn children, and coining derogatory terms for them. If this is feminism, then Andrew Bolt can be a feminist as well.
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My plan was to have the epidural as soon as possible!
My thought process was – why the hell go through pain when I can be numb and still get a baby in the end?
I loved the epidural, I even slept through a good few hours of labour until I was dialated enough to push!
I pushed and wahla! Beautiful healthy baby!
good on you for giving birth to your kid, but no one thinks you are a better person or mother for doing it without drugs! And no one thinks less of me for being drugged up to my eyeballs!
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thank you Mia for putting into words exactly what I think and feel on this subject.
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Dude. My birth plans were doing whatever the baby wanted. You want pain meds? Cool. You want momma to walk around? Cool. You wanna stay stuck at 5cm dilation? That’s not so frikking cool! Ended up with 2 healthy, living kids after 2 c sections and I am happy with that. My vagina stayed out of the picture and I am happy with that too.
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Thanks Mia. Our journey’s are all so different and personal. Mine started with all sorts of expectations. My mother is a midwife and from an early age empowered her daughters with the belief that we all have choices when we birth and it is okay to question a doctor’s practice. I had my first child in a birth centre vaginally. My second child was also born in a birth centre, as a matter of fact I actually toyed with the idea of a home birth my first labour went so well. Well thank goodness I didn’t. My beautiful man was seriously unwell and spent a great length of time in hospital. With my third pregnancy it was not known what was wrong with my second child and his issues had resolved so we were treated as a caution with blood transfusions. A great outcome, a baby to take home and love and care for. When we decided to have a fourth our doctors felt that perhaps our second child was a one off and that we wouldn’t be treated. We didn’t get to keep our fourth baby boy. He passed away at 32weeks gestation. Mia I agree all plans can be in place and things can just go sour so very quickly. I am the opposite to how we began on our baby journey. Thank goodness we have hospitals. I am so very sad we lost our darling man. At the same time I am so glad I decided to give birth in a hospital for my second child. You just have to do what it takes to be able to take your darlings home. xx
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Sorry for your loss xoxo
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Mia!!! I was a birthzilla!!
When I first fell pregnant I became more obsessed with the labour than the actual pregnancy. I had the usual “what to expect when expecting” book and that’s it. As for labour management books I had about 10. One of them was Asutralian and I tracked down the woman who wrote the book and attended “Labour Management Classes” (insert roll of eyes here).
When I finished up work I bought all the recommended tools and gadgets, made sure my mum and partner knew my birth plan by heart and all the terminologies, I practiced labour positions and movements, also practiced them with partner, created a labour book as a point of reference (what to do if baby is in posterior position-pictues-mantras etc) and a whole bunch of labour related things I am embarassed to write about (I’m sure you have all rolled your eyes so much they are rolling out of your head right now).
My labour would be drug free and this that and the other…and the Placenta would be delivered this way etc etc.
It all… went… to… shit.
I lost all control from the beginning, nothing was working as I had PLANNED it to and I was becoming more panicked and angry at everyone and argumentative with midwives who do this day in-and-out. Then it clicked, I was tired and my partner just wanted to stop seeing me in so much pain. I shut up and stopped with my birthzilla ways. It was the best thing I could of done. I listened to the midwives, whacked in the epidural and gave birth to my baby in the safest possible way and most of all protected myself from harming myself with my birthzilla ways.
I am pregnant with my second child and have not even thought about labour. You CANNOT predict what will happen on the day and the most important thing is to make sure that mother and baby are safe and not in any danger and this to me means delivering the baby however he will need to be delivered.
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And if you had read this article before would it have changed much? Unlikely. People have to be allowed to learn from their own mistakes without smugness and superiority from experienced mothers.
Not really following the logic of fighting the smugness, superiority and name calling by the extreme women that Mia refers to, with smugness, superiority and name calling…
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I was such a smug zealot that if I had read this article in amidst my birthzilla period I would of rolled my eyes at Mia and this article with a big ‘pffft!!’
My experience has helped me to understand that modern medicine and midwives are on my side when it comes to delivering babies and to respect them and their knowledge.
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If I wasn’t so angry I’d feel sorry for Mia Freedman. Calm/free/natural (whatever you want to call it) birth is ALL about the wellbeing of the baby and is certainly not simply for those ‘privileged’ women with access to safe and affordable care. How does she think the women in Africa do it!? Sounds like she is the one making ‘privileged’ choices about the way her labours should be by opting for the ‘white coat’ version, what a hypocrite. And to think that having a birth plan is putting boundaries or expectations on exactly how things should go is ignorant. The ‘planning’ is as much to do with realising there are certain things that are out of your control as it is about being aware that you always have options IN THE BEST INTERESTS OF YOUR BABY. Mia, clearly people listen to you so its a shame you don’t try to use your influence to unite women to be proud of successfully birthing their babies and to know the way that is right for them. The fact that they did it with a healthy outcome for both mother and child as their priority is a given and you don’t have the right to question that simply because they had an approach that is not the same as yours. I am aghast that you call yourself a feminist and proceed to drive a wedge amongst women, even going to the extreme of creating a term that will divide women and offend many. Yes, I had a calm birth (in the public system for the record) and yes, my husband was surprised at exactly how effective and helpful he could be during a long labour and yes, he is intelligent enough not to be fearful (or as you suggest disinterested) of the birth process but rather respectful of it and no, we are not flower loving hippies who gave our child a phonetic name. Nor do we think our birth was any more superior to anyone elses. It was right for us. Perhaps the next time you are at a party feeling insecure about your own birth experiences you should think about that rather than using your public forum to regain your superiority. In this case I would argue it is you being the birthzilla. And if your article is just a way of playing devil’s advocate then well done.
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See Mia’s update Point No. 1
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Not agreeing with everyone with a vagina is one thing…Pitting them against each other by creating nasty nicknames is another…feminist my arse!
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Women in Africa walk miles to give birth in a hospital. All those interventions you shun, they’d give their right leg to have access to.
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I have read quite a few of the comments, but I admit not all. I agree with Mia; when did having a baby become a competitive sport or definer of a person?
I tend to sit on the side of ‘as long as Mother and baby are healthy and relatively happy’ then that’s all that matters. We have a health system in this country which us first class and offers parents am amzing array of choices and options. We also have our rights supported, both as part of the system and legally too. I believe that we should be quite grateful overall.
I question those women who talk of ‘birth trauma’ as if it is a result of medical staff, and instead argue that they need to instead examine their own thoughts around it. As a psychologist I know that traumatic events are defined by the individual, what may be traumatic to one will not be traumatic to another. Hence, many (and I repeat, many) of those who claim to have birth trauma instead need to examine and readjust their own psyche rather than rail at the hospital. Often it is just the case with individulas with certain personality traits who fit this category, who seem ill-equipped to cope with the experience psychologically and have unrealisitic expectations of what may happen and how.
I understand of course that not all birth trauma experiences fit this category, and those who have genuinely experienced some horrific things are excluded from my generalisations. However,to those who complain that their child’s (normal) birth has caused them traumaI say, sorry but it’s all in your head, and you should seek professional help.
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Can I like this anymore?! Totally, totally agree.
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You said it so perfectly, I completely agree with every word!
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Thankyou Mia – finally someone with common sense who’s willing to put it in writing!
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There is a world of difference between wanting no intervention at all, no matter what the cost to the health of the mother and child (I saw someone below suggested that this is a sign of mental illness and I tend to agree) and wanting to avoid unnecessary intervention.
It wasn’t that long ago that women fought hard to improve the choices that we now take for granted during during labour and birth. These women questioned whether such procedures as routine episiotomies, men being excluded from the labour ward, mothers being denied access to their babies outside of scheduled feeding times, women suffering the indignity of being forced (sometimes physically) to labour in the prone position with legs in stirrups etc etc. These were all considered normal in our grandmother’s time. It isn’t just about a women’s emotional fulfillment- many of these practices risk physical injury and have long-term health implications for mother and child. I don’t think that it is asking too much to want my pelvic floor still functional after giving birth or that I don’t have major abdominal surgery without it being absolutely necessary.
Nearly all of us have and accept in others other first-world expectations mostly without question. Merely satisfying our children’s hunger is not enough, we want to give them the most nutritious and tasty food possible. Shelter from the elements eludes millions in the world however we take this for granted but also expect to have separate sleeping, cooking, eating and recreational spaces in our homes, pictures on the walls, comfortable furniture. Why is it that so often that a women who wants more for herself and her child than to simply survive birth and for it to be a positive experience to be criticised as being selfish and indulgent?
There is so much hysteria around this as there was around the home birth topic a week or so ago. There will always be crazy (as I said above, arguably mentally unwell) people who exist on the fringes of our society and whose behaviour is reckless, irrational and irresponsible. It is simply unfair to tarnish every women who questions what happens to her own body and that of her child with the same brush. I actually would go as far as saying that it is anti-feminist.
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Perfectly worded response! I for one agree with every word you’ve said.
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Agreed
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Amen.
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Unfortunatly though, the views of some (perhaps minority) impact on others. When i had my first, I was quite relaxed and had some preferences, but happy to go with what eventuated. What did eventuate was a baby in distress and nursing/midwife staff that should have alerted our obstetrician 30 hours before they did. In the end I said I was sending husband out to call him directly and they gave in – when he did arrive he was mighty unhappy that he had not been called in initially. I don’t blame the nurses – they obviously see so many women who are ‘planning’ on doing with ‘minimal’ ‘intervention’ that this clearly influenced their actions and almost left me a bereaved mother.
In defence of Mia’s position, I too find it very common for the supposedly ‘pro-choice’ free birth sector to look down on those who do prefer the white-coat version. The majority do act like it is a more educated, less ignorant, more enlightened approach. This is echoed in many of the comments here.
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Yes, but as I said above, there is a huge difference between wanting to minimise unnecessary intervention and refusing intervention when it is medically warranted. Calling a doctor 30 hours late is a shockingly bad midwifery!
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Of course you have the right to an opinion. At the same time, we have the right to dismiss you opinion as superficial and sensationalist and move onto more intelligent sources of information.
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Exactly!
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Where has Mia claimed to be a source of information? Ever?
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“Being aware that it could all go to hell is an important part of preparing for the very unpredictable experience of giving birth.”
This is the very point of birth planning, in my neck of the woods!
If a woman’s definition of hell is an unwanted episiotomy, her birth planning is best geared towards optimising her chances of avoiding it.
If a woman’s idea of hell is being in intense pain, needles and being immobile, then learning about choices regarding post-dates inductions, natural pain management techniques and options for ambulating and being monitored etc are likely to be part of her birth planning.
If woman’s experience of hell was having her baby phlebotomised at birth, floppy, requiring resuscitation and subsequently brain injured, her placenta painfully pulled from her body, with retained membranes and 12 weeks heavy post partum bleeding…then this woman’s subsequent birth planning may involve delayed cord clamping and natural 3rd stage…and how best to communicate this to HCP when the standard policy is active management…
Being aware that birth is unpredictable does not automatically mean women must submit to nature or submit to standard interventions that may help some women yet harm others.
As for your other clarification about drug-free birth vs forceps birth being no better than each other… if only babies could talk huh!
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WHAT?!!!
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In my opinion this opinion piece is targeting those extreme birthers who are so intent on a “perfect birth” that they ignore all medical advice etc.
But this is poorly demonstrated in the article and comes accross that any woman who has made a birth plan is off her rocker.
It is wise to plan and research and know what to expect when it comes to something so serious as a birth. Just don’t go overboard.
My midwife and obstetrician both recommended I be induced, even though my baby was not engaged and not in the correct position (with cord in a precarious position.) Well I am no medical expert and I would never pretend to be but i did a bit of internet research and found inducing with my baby in this position was quite risky as they drop suddenly and often end up with the cord around their neck. I took this info to my obstetrician who admitted it was true and even admitted there was a 50% chance I would end up with a c section. Well, I flat out refused and had a C-Section and I don’t regret a thing.
Point is, sometimes the doctors are under pressure to get those babies out as quickly as possible and there is nothing wrong with being informed.
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I absolutely loved my birth – an emergency caesarian five weeks early – because it resulted in a healthy baby boy! Hurrah!
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I read Mia’s article in the Sunday paper and loved it, in fact I laughed all the way through it. It fascinates me how birh has become such an emotive and controversial issue. Untold millions of us women have given birth over eons of time. I am thankful that I gave birth in this day and age, when medical knowledge was there to assist me in giving birth to two children safely. My last pregnancy (unplanned), at the age of 46, ended in a late miscarriage but the option for giving birth was C-section, given my age and previous history of pre-eclampsia. Was that a problem…NO! Having a healthy baby was paramount to me and should be paramount to every mother, surely? The way a child is born doesn’t matter. What does matter is that you survive the birth, the child survives, with no health complications and the next 20, 30, 40 or 50 years of that child’s life. It’s how you prepare your child for life’s journey that defines you as a mother, not the manner of giving birth, which is what…a maximum 48 hrs or so of your life? Birth plans….get it out, as easily as possible, with as few health complications for both mother and child.
Mia…thank you for highlighting some of the abject silliness around giving birth these days. The first time you give birth is when you become ‘Mum’….you should become the protector, the nurturer, the woman who would defend her child to the death, yet it seems that women are now prepared to risk the death of, or injury to a child….just to have the birth that suits them? What a funny, strange seemingly self absorbed world we live in!
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Mia, Thank you.
I gave birth for the first time 8 months ago. I fell pregnant naturally and unexpectedly after being told for many years it would never happen. As a result of those medical issues i had no choice but to have a c-section to ensure the safe delivery of my child. It was booked at my first OB visit, and any other option was never explored. As it was there were major complications in the birth, that without the amazing work of the medical staff would have resulted in my death.
What horrified, offended and disgusted me was the number of women who pitied me becasue i couldn’t give birth naturally. That i had no options, and that i was not prepared to fight for my right to natural child birth.
I could fight, but my baby would die, and so in hindsight would i.
Its childbirth people. we have no control over it, just as we have no control over the babies we give birth to. As parents we should be looking to shape and mould and create positive outcomes for everyone so that there is minimal amount of trauma to all involved. But we have to be flexible and stop beating ourselves up over these things if they don’t go to plan.
It is ok if you have a hospital birth with complete medical intervention, as it is equally ok if you have a homebirth with a doula or midwife only. The only thing we should be worried about is that we as a gender are so obnoxious to each other about choices we make.
For what its worth, i always remember my grandmother who at 97 said,” these girls today don’t realise how lucky they are to have choices, we all fought for years to have babies in hospitals, you used to have to have the babies at home and so many of the babies and the mums died. whole familes with no mum. it was a terrible thing”.
Pretty sure that my grandmother isn’t the only woman out there of her generation to think that. I’m sure that fight wasn’t so we can just crucify each other now over the way we deliver the bubs we love.
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missgalore, I’ve had both my boys vaginally and you aren’t missing a thing!! Glad you are both well
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Well said misgalore – I am constantly told I am either ‘lucky’ to have had the easy way out or I was ‘too posh to push’ after two emergency c-sections where if I had continued with my wish for a vaginal delivery I or my children would have died.
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I had an emergency caesarean and don’t have a problem with it. How lucky we are now indeed!
What I do have a problem with, as you have said, is the pity party but also the number of people who have said the intervention was unnecessary – without knowing anything about my birth. I’ve done my research – it was necessary if I wanted a living baby!! They post comments and links on facebook about how caesareans are awful, ‘birth rape’, unnecessary…when they had safe natural home births, often with a detailed birth plan (NB I am not condemning homebirthers here!!)
My ‘birth plan’ was aim for a natural birth but overall aim for healthy baby and mum. I believe many people have more specific birth plans out of a genuine fear of birth or not having control of a situation – it would be good for women to acknowledge and address this issue instead. The attacking doesn’t do those that are fearful any favours.
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Mia, I’ve always thought you and I have similar thoughts and opinions and this topic is no exception. I assume you didn’t anticipate the intensity and volume of these replies. I hope you got some sleep last night, I sometimes wonder how you switch off after taking all of this in x
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Every reply is a few more cents in Mia’s bank account. I’m sure she slept just fine.
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I cannot believe how many comments this article has gotten! Just confirms how relevant and topical the information is. Good work mamamia team for writing about this!
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Mia,
Another way of interpreting that mum-to-be’s placenta question is that she was so scared and daunted by the prospect of labour that she was clinging to whatever semblance of control she could create – and so perhaps some gentle reassurance, rather than eye-rolling scorn might have been in order?
When I was pregnant I still remember the percolating trepidation I felt about this completely unknown event ahead of me (and for me it was an ‘event horizon’ – plenty of people told me to forget about the birth, read books on babies and sleep but I just couldn’t focus on anything beyond it). In that state the best information/inspiration I got about labour and birth was through the stories of other women – some harrowing, some sublime (and many on this site). If every woman I talked to while pregnant had had the same reaction as you to my attempts at coming to terms with birth – roll eyes, write derisive article – I wonder how much wisdom I could have gleaned?
We all cope with impending labour in different ways. Some of us put our fingers in our ears and sing ‘lalalala’, some women make plans for their placenta. It’s lovely to share what worked for you, but pretty irrational to expect that what worked for you will work for the next (and so judge them for going about their preparation differently).
If this is your way of saying ‘hey pregnant lady, labour is full-on no doubt, I can see why it’s consuming your every waking thought. But you know what, you can bloody-well do this. And you will. And you’re brilliant’ then perhaps you need to work a bit more on your delivery (and leave her to worry about hers).
And with that I leave Mammamia in search of more intelligent discussion of all things women, birthing and parenting elsewhere in the blogosphere. You’ve lost me for good now.
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Wait! Don’t go Sally, I like your posts!
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While I agree with most of what Mia is saying here, I believe that sharing your birth experience with other women who have had children can be a very positive thing. Personally I found the birth of my first child quite traumatic and I think sharing that experience with other new Mums and hearing their own stories helped me to get past it. I don’t think it is necessarily a competitive thing. That said, I’m not still retelling the story 9 years later…
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Retelling in person, yes. God help anyone who tries to retell here!
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Birth plan or no birth plan.A drug free,no intervention birth surrounded by candels or an induced birth, with an epidural followed by forceps, its all irrelevent.Every mother feels excatly the same wonder, awe and the most intense love imaginable the first time their baby is placed on their chest after giving birth, regardless how the baby made it there.that moment is what makes your birth amazing.
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is that so? well this mother didn’t. after a very traumatic birth with my first child i was unable to bond with my baby for weeks. the second time around was easier and bonding took place immediately. the way you give birth does make a difference.
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There are websites (such as Joyous Birth) where moderators say things like “better a dead baby than a cut mother”. You may not like it, but it is true. I have seen women say that they accepted their baby was dead, because it was ‘nature’s way’, even though a c-section would have saved their baby. Again, some may not like to accept this kind of thing is said by ‘birthzillas’, but it is true.
I think these types of women have severe mental illnesses, brought on by ‘birth trauma’, yes, but they also lack resiliency. And, forums like Joyous Birth feed that trauma and lack of resiliency and the end result is dead babies.
My first birth went nothing like I had planned. You didn’t get more ‘informed’ than me, but when it all went to shit, I gladly had a c-section, and a live baby. I was resilient enough to accept what I couldn’t change. I did my research (i.e, I read Ina May Gaskin,I went to active birthing classes, I was in a birth centre, I had essential oils and a darkened room and a giant bath and a ‘sacred space’, and I laboured for 27 hours without drugs. But none of that worked. My child was stuck – so stuck, in fact that I had the twin joy of a forceps and c-section birth, simultaneously).
I think that it’s the Janet Fraser types that Mia is referencing here, not women who are simply glad they had a natural birth (and acknowledge that there but for the grace of god…) But some women – women who are deeply disturbed – choose to have a dead baby rather than a c-section. After all, that was their ‘journey’, right??
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‘their’ journey – whoops!
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Word. So much word. Uber-word.
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Here’s a song that MUST be on every expectant mother’s birth song list.
Really, it’s legislated to be compulsory.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egY8rUpxqcE&feature=related
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Nice one Trog
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I played my entire collection of Triple J Hottest 100 CDs (Twenty plus hours of music). Let’s just say it was a long day at the office. This nursing staff and obstetrician cracked up with laughter at the sight of me huffing and puffing to the Bloodhound Gang’s song The Bad Touch
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xat1GVnl8-k
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Seems appropriate somehow, except when they put their hands down your pants, I’ll bet that they didn’t feel nuts.
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In the social/historic context of childbirth the high emotions in the commentboxes make sense. I would love to read an article which interviewed three different generations of women about their experience of pregnancy and birth. I know my grandma, mum and I were each dealing with very different options and social expectations.
The highly personal and emotional response to an issue isn’t necessarily the most interesting.
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What a great idea Eleanor.
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Excellent article Mia. Love your honesty. Well done.
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Re: your additional feminist comment.
As someone who always knew I wanted a cesarean, whose obstetrician was a wonderfully supportive woman, and whose co-author of a book (that defends the birth choice of a significant number of women, including many medical professionals) is a man, it never ceases to amaze me that some natural birth advocates often try to monopolize the title of ‘feminist’, and have even accused me in the past of being ‘anti-feminist’ because my birth choice is one that they perceive I was likely forced or duped into by a male obstetrician determined to get to his golf game on time.
At an individual level, different women make different birth choices for different reasons. That’s one thing. But at the broader level of hospital or country-wide maternity care policies, they should be focusing on best health outcomes for mothers and babies – and not simply an ideological push for the most natural birth process as possible for as many women as possible, whatever the cost.
Co-author of Choosing Cesarean, A Natural Birth Plan
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Thankyou…..just Thankyou !
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The hatred and vitriol that is deliberately provoked by publishing articles such as this is borderline psychotic. Feeding on the energy of women tearing each other up over the birth of their baby’s – it reminds me of vultures feeding.
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I agree. I don’t know why I keep returning to the train wreck that this forum has become.
I think that it’s like this these days because the forum owner wants to raise the number of hits on her website. So she posts wankfest articles like this one to achieve her own ends, too bad about the turmoil she leaves in her wake. And people just keeps buying into it.
Well I hear that the site is getting sold soon, so hopefully things will look up once there is anew owner in place.
I’m actually a registered member but I very seldom post under my registered user name because if you go against the ‘official’ opinion the Mia lovers who love her every word come out and castrate you in the most ‘undinner party’ language possible. Abuse just flies around.
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Yes agree… I was told to “get it through my head” yesterday…. I’ve never been spoken to like that at a dinner party. I guess I was disagreeing with the tone of The article so I was asking for it I guess!
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I was a caesarian child and I always felt like I was somehow inferior to those who had been born naturally. This is only because I was an idealist and very spiritual as a child and believed that things should be done naturally.
My mother tried to have me at home with a midwife present…for two weeks I didn’t arrive. If she hadn’t decided to do it in hospital we both would have died. My head was just too big. So I say…stay open minded about it! It’s ok to have ideals but be flexible!!
Everyone always says my head stayed so perfect and round because it wasn’t squeezed in birth, so that’s a plus
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Your comment has to be satirical, right? I’m so glad your head is nice and round %$#@ Haha
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100% agree Mia. I presented a list of my ‘Birth Preferences’ to my obstetricuan before the birth of my first child. He politely told me that whilst the list was “all good and well, it will have absolutely no influence on how he does his job i.e. deliver baby in the safest possible way of mother and baby’s health”. And sure enough, my preference for “no epidural and no forcep delivery” both went out the window after a tiring 22 hour labour and my baby becoming distressed requiring emergency forcep delivery. I could not have been happier with the outcome = a healthy baby girl. I am expecting my second child in a few weeks time and there will be no preference list/ plan/ expectations other than trusting my obstetrician and his medical team to do their job.
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I’m 20 and have never given birth, and I am most certainly not planning a pregnancy any time soon. This does make me feel somewhat hesitant about even having a voice about pregnancy and birth, especially in this steaming thread of comments.
I’d like to think I am broad and critical thinker, studying journalism and psychology at university, and that I can come into this topic objectively. Or I’m sure some will say ‘ignorantly’, but I am aiming for the former.
More than the content itself, I’m most perturbed by the vitriol being unleashed anonymously from all over cyberspace, and the intense discrepancies between interpretations. Chiefly, however, I’ve noticed a lot of comments that are very much about women’s pre and post specifics of their personal birth experiences.
I think this is wonderful, since this IS a forum for sharing one’s individual perspective. That is the point of the online commentary. However, if Mia were to have attempted to cover every potential pivotal facet of birthing experiences, as mentioned in the comments, from IVF, stillborns, PND, PTSD, traumatic experiences with docs/hospitals/midwives/LIFE, drugs and intervention, etc… Well, she would have lost the actual point of the article. Many people have lost the point because they are SO focused on the specifics of THEIR personal experience. Many are outraged that she ‘didn’t consider’ these problems, but they are, as far as I can tell, not the MAIN point- related, yes, because they are related to ‘birth’ as a concept- but they are not the MAIN point of this piece.
In trying to cover all your bases, it’s hard to determine a clear story. There was no way she could please everyone with this, people are always destined to misinterpret. Rudely, at times.
It’s all well and good to bring forward and share your personal perspective, add your two cents, but step back a minute, review the point and think broadly, in a societal view, as well as personally, because that is what the article is about, an overall social ‘concept’.
From my perspective, it’s about a subset of mothers (who for the sake of definition have been deemed ‘birthzillas’, even if Mia had called them “These women” throughout, people would still be spewing about her ‘bitchy’ undertones) whose fixation on the plan (note: fixation. Not ‘the having of’) and birth is incredibly rigid, whereby the birth experience is seen as a means to feel superior, competitive and in-control. Oh, and have a healthy baby. They still WANT that, of course, but mentally, it seems somewhat secondary.
That’s what I got from it, but what do I know? Childless and all
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Huh?
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Is this part of a thesis by any chance?
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Hi Elizabeth…,
Thanks for the question. No part of my comment, from the topic to the wording, is part of a thesis… Just my opinion
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Phew. Thanks for clearing that one up
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Your interpretation makes perfect sense to me. Shows the level of intelligence of some people on here that they can’t make sense of your articulate comment.
Well done. And you don’t have to be a mother to have an opinion on the subject. Lord knows, not actually being a refugee/parent of a special needs child/homosexual/insert topic here doesn’t stop people from voicing their opinions about same on here.
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NiceBoulder, thank you for your calm and affirmative comment. I admit, I was slightly afraid to even utter a sentence in this forum. I definitely held back on my more personal musings, out of respect and uncertainty. I’m glad you could appreciate my perspective, lack of of child and all!
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I hear you Mia… in my perfect pregnancy eyes, I was going to have a wonderful birthing centre birth with no interventions. There would be soft lighting, music playing and soothing oils burning in my electric burner. I believed in the “naturalness” of birthing, the “power” of being a woman, the “instinct” we have to give birth. Yeah right! One teeny ounce of meconium and that was the end of that! I still feel blessed that I wasn’t under the care of an ob that wasn’t prepared to go the 36 hours with me because he had a golf appointment, but the wonderful birthing centre midwives who let me go at my own pace, in my own (stupidly long) time. In the end, blessed (an much needed) sleep came in the form of an epidural. At the time, despite still having an assisted vaginal delivery, I was absolutely DEVASTATED! The only reason I could think of to have another child was so I could “get it right next time”! On the other hand, my hubby was devastated because he honestly thought I was going to die.
6 years down the track and that is soooooo irrelevant, it doesn’t even bear thinking about. All that matters is that I am mum to a healthy, bright, active, wonderful young boy. I don’t scare pregnant women with my story unless they ask, but I’m not shy about warning those that have “perfect birth plans” that they might not turn out that way either.
I WAS a birthzilla (admittedly without a plan for my placenta). I’m not any more!
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Give yourself a break Cath. Wanting the best for yourself and actively working towards it didn’t make you a birthzilla. It didn’t make you a bad person.
And it doesn’t make you a better person now that you denounce what you felt back then. It certainly doesn’t help the women who are currently feeling the devastation you and your husband have moved on from.
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My best friend was like you. Had to have a C section due to large baby and spent months feeling like she wasn’t a “real mother”.
FFS. She was an idiot and so were you. Glad to see that both of you have realised that with hindsight.
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I felt disappointed with myself after my first as you did, even though it did end up being a natural birth. It just wasn’t how I imagined it would be at all & I didn’t ‘cope’ with the pain the way I hoped I would. http://www.essentialbaby.com.au/birth/birth-stories/deprogramming-birth-20080624-2vwl.html
I learnt my lesson for the second though – I swore to myself that whatever happened, however it went, I would surrender and accept and definitely not give myself a hard time. If I screamed my head off again that was okay. I strongly advocate having this attitude to birthing. Some women plan to have an epidural & then don’t need it and vice versa.
I think researching and planning are awesome but with birth it is good to have an open mind & be really really kind to yourself.
I actually planned a homebirth through my local hospital homebirth program 2nd time (my labours are fast so I don’t have time to get to hospital) and it was a pain-free, ecstatic, very spiritual experience. I’m not saying that to boast or because I think my experience was better than anyone elses. I’m saying it because if women want to plan for that sort of experience then there is nothing wrong with that – it was a wonderful thing for my baby & for me. In the Face of Birth doco there is a woman who tells how positive her experience of choosing a non-medically indicated elective c-section was & this is the same thing – I think it’s great that women share their experiences so that other women can take these into consideration when making choices about their maternity care.
Our births were very different but that woman and I (and Mia) all had positive experiences and there is nothing wrong with aiming for that. My experience the first time was not positive – but it was great in the sense that learning from it led to a good experience 2nd time.
I believe my attitude was crucial to how wonderful my experience was – I would have been happy if I’d had to transfer & have c-section. Being open-minded & flexible meant that I was able to completely relax rather than worrying about the experience meeting my expectations.
And I know I’m banging my head against the wall here but I wasn’t choosing my ‘experience’ over my baby. As Dee said the two are not mutually exclusive. I can’t lie & say that the memory of that experience is not precious to me. It was the closest I’ve ever come to the divine, it was like merging for a few moments with God.
When I tried to get a referral from an OB to midwives for my current pregnancy to get a medicare rebate for my antenatal & postnatal care from midwives I explained to him that I want to birth at home & have the midwives come to me because my labours are so fast. He suggested instead that I get induced at 38wks and that way I wouldn’t have to worry about birthing in the car on the 10min drive to hospital. I don’t believe that would be safer.
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I never considered a home birth, but I had a short birth plan written out, being the last of our group of friends to have a baby I was aware that it could all turn to shite.
Horror labour followed by emergency csection, We had our beautiful baby. I did refuse the GA and demanded a spinal block ) epidural had fallen out hours before)
Decided on an elective csection for our son, had avfew people ask if I was going to try for a vbac, my response was “why” I just wanted our baby born inthevsafest manner.
Having said that I have quite avfew friends who have had home births. I totally support all women being able to choose the way they give birth to their children, a low risk home birth, close to a hospital …….can’t see a problem.
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I had a elective c section for my first baby 4 months ago, I feel like I have to say it with a little bit of shame when I tell people, like I should act like I wanted to try it all natural, I didn’t. It was hands down the most beautiful moment of my life in the operating room, I don’t think it was any less magic in that room than a birthing room. Every Friday I wish it was my little girls birth day again and I could live that moment over and over again. If a man was wheeled into hemorrid surgery do u think they ask him at the door ” would you like to do this naturally sir?”
Enjoy your babies ladies what ever way you birth them is up to you, leave your fellow sisters alone on how they birth theirs, very strong believer in YOUR VAGINA, YOUR OPINION! Thanks Mia!!! Loved it
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Holly: Wake up call. You are NOT a strong believer in your vagina, your opinion. That is laughable. If you agree with Mia, then you think everyone should birth just like you do. You and Mia are not for choice, your for everyone doing things like you.
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Actually Liz clearly you missed to whole point of what I was saying, If you want to give birth up a tree in the forrest, go your hardest! thats your choice for yourself your body & your baby. Do what ever you want do it your way, if you can live with the consequences then I shouldn’t be worrying about it.
My problem is the judgement, I don’t care how you birth, So stop caring how I do it, the way I see women turning on each other on this site makes me sick, Some times I wonder why generations of women before us suffered and fought for rights & choice when my generation seems to be turning on each other for exercising their right to choose. Those ladies could have saved them selves alot of bras and left them in their draw instead of burning them
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I also chose elective C’s for both my kids and have never shirked from telling people that was my choice (even after the elective part ended up as emergency for numero 1). Responses ranged from a wistful “oh are you allowed to do that these days” (elderly woman who had 10 pound+ babies) to “I was made to do it naturally – you should have to go through the same pain!” Seriously. C’s are not a picnic and not an easy option but given the risk factors for me and bubs, it was a no-brainer. But I didn;t like being made to feel inferior by some Mum’s and many midwives for not giving birth the “proper” way.
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Check your tone Mia. The Birthzilla label? The poking fun ala sausage stab? Do we really need that? .And your addendum smacks of honouring sunk costs. These jibes, taunts and snarks – malicious,smug and condescending. Shame
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There seem to be people here who seem to think that not having a birth plan means that you are ignorant and uneducated. I didn’t have a birth plan but I was certainly ‘birth prepared’. I was educated about the different options and discussed these with my OB. I talked with her about what I wasn’t prepared to make a decision on (eg. epidural) and what I was (I didn’t want pethadine), I thought I might like to try a warm bath for pain relief (although once I got there it was the last thing I wanted!) and there was a lot more that was discussed. I was informed about hospital procedure, immediate skin to skin contact and establishment of breast feeding, no rush to weigh etc, no rush to clean bub (she wasn’t washed until we were able to do it ourselves). Was this a birth plan? I don’t refer to it as one, but others might think it was. I think sometime we get too stuck up on the terminology.
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It sounds like you did have a plan it just wasn’t written down. A plan isn’t such a bad thing, it might just set our mind at ease a bit.
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I generally love this site, and agree with many of Mia’s opinions, but this piece has left me feeling very disappointed and quite angry, to be honest.
I think the main issue I have with this article is that is makes such sweeping generalisations about the reasons why some women choose to have birth plans and/or hope to have a natural birth.
I had a very detailed birth plan (titled ‘Our Birth Preferences’, for what it’s worth) – not because I was obsessed with having a ‘birth experience’ at the expense of my baby’s health, but on the contrary, because I wanted to give myself the best possible chance of delivering a healthy baby, and believed that informing myself about the birth process would increase the likelihood that this would happen.
My birth plan wasn’t unrealistic, and included how I hoped things would unfold (in short – no drugs or unnecessary interventions) and what I would like to happen in the event of an emergency – for example, I requested that if I did need an emergency caesarean, that I would like my partner to stay with the baby if he had to be taken to the NICU or whatever, rather than remaining with me.
Like the woman at the BBQ, I did consider how I wanted to deliver my babies’ placentas, and included this in my birth plan. This is because I am aware of the risks and disadvantages of having the syntocinon injection rather than having a physiological third stage. Again, it was all about what I felt was best and safest for the baby (and for what it’s worth, the midwives who attended both my births were in agreement).
There is a vast amount of literature to support the benefits of having a natural birth and on the risks associated with unnecessary birth interventions, the dangers of our escalating induction and caesarean rates etc., but it seems that Mamamia is pro science when it suits (such as when the discussion turns to the issue of vaccination), but ignorant about the wealth of scientific studies that support the benefits of natural childbirth.
For what it’s worth, my reasons for wanting a natural birth are very personal, and have been informed at least in part by the following events in my life:
- I have two cousins who were delivered by forceps in the 70s – one died shortly after birth after sustaining severe head injuries, and the other has been in an institution since birth – also because of forceps-related brain injuries. I realise things have changed since the 70s, but hearing these stories as a child instilled a fear in me of certain birth-related interventions, and a desire to avoid such interventions myself.
- I was sexually assaulted by a trusted family doctor (now in jail) when I was 14, making me not entirely willing to put absolute blind faith in every member of the medical profession.
- When I was 23, I gave birth to a stillborn baby. When I went into labour at 20 weeks, I had no idea what to expect, as I had no friends with children at that time and had not had a chance to read anything at that stage about childbirth. I got the shock of my life when my waters broke – although I was vaguely aware that this would happen, none of the doctors or midwives at the hospital where I gave birth had warned me what to expect, and I ended up on my hands and knees in the public bathroom of the hospital, bleeding profusely and desperately screaming out for someone to help me. When it came time to deliver my dead baby, I was strapped onto a hospital trolley and wheeled into an operating theatre, surrounded by scary-long gynaecological instruments. I was forced to give birth on my back, with my feet in stirrups, despite this being a desperately uncomfortable position, and after my baby was born, I was asked by one of the midwives to cover him with a blanket, so that I didn’t ‘upset the other mothers’ in the postnatal ward. This whole experience was so traumatic that I vowed that when I had the chance in future to give birth to a healthy, full-term baby, I would aim to inform myself about all aspects of the birthing process, to enable myself to feel more empowered and in control of what was happening to my body and my baby.
So, in short, I believe that my reasons for wanting a natural, intervention-free birth and having a fairly detailed birth plan were pretty reasonable.
I resent being called a ‘birthzilla’, and desperately hope that this term doesn’t enter the vernacular…
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There is a massive difference between what you’ve described and what Mia is talking about. After your incredibly sad experiences of course you would want to try and take some control to make sure that your birth would be the safest birth for both you and the baby.
I believe that Mia is referring to women who put their need for a “perfect” birth experience above the health and safety of their babies.
Nowhere near the same thing.
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The thing is – I might have been that woman at the BBQ innocently asking Mia how she’d chosen to birth her placenta. Maybe, having heard that she’d had three positive birth experiences, I would have simply been curious to know more about the births of her children, maybe to help me figure out whether her birth choices might also be the right choices for me.
You see, if you met me without knowing anything about me, and I started telling you about the births of my two sons – how I’d had wonderful births (both drug and intervention free at a birth centre – one a waterbirth), and that I had rocked up to the Birth Centre with an 11 page birth plan (which the midwives helped me distill down to a more digestible 4 pages!), that I’d done a weekend-long Calmbirth course and had spent many months listening to relaxation CDs and doing prenatal yoga in preparation for the birth, you might roll your eyes and think ‘What a birthzilla. Sounds like you cared more about the birth experience than the health of your baby’, which could not be further from the truth. Maybe you’d get it if I told you something of my history (as mentioned above), but these are not experiences I would openly share with a stranger at a BBQ.
And I’m sure my story is not unique. We’re all the sum of a series of complex, rich and varied life experiences, and labelling women who wish to educate themselves about the birth process and involve themselves in the choices being made about the health and wellbeing of themselves and their babies ‘birthzillas’ is ignorant and unfair. I think there are very, very few women on this earth who would genuinely put their desire for a ‘perfect’ birth experience about the health and safety of their babies, and this is what upsets me most about this article – it makes such a horribly false assumption about the motives of a large number of women. Every woman I know personally who has drawn up a birth plan has done so because they cared first and foremost about giving their baby the best possible chance of arriving safely into the world. And it’s not just women who hope to birth without drugs or intervention who draw up birth plans, by the way. I have a couple of friends who wrote birth plans ahead of their elective caesareans, noting for example, that they would like the screen to be lowered so that they could see their baby being born, or that they wanted skin on skin contact as soon as possible after the birth.
As Tara Moss wrote in her excellent article in defence of birth plans after Mia’s original article was published on Sunday, different hospitals (and even different practitioners in the same hospital) follow different protocols. At the birth centre (attached to a major hospital) where I gave birth to my two boys, women are given the syntocinon injection to birth the placenta unless they request otherwise. All of the midwives there are completely happy to allow the third stage to happen naturally if there are no medical reasons to speed up the process with syntocinon, but you have to request it, or it won’t happen.
For the interest of anyone who has never considered writing a birth plan, here are some examples of the kinds of things I included in my birth plan. I don’t think any of them are unreasonable or birthzillaish, and think many of them would be fairly typical of the kinds of things you’d find in other women’s birth plans:
- I would like to have as little electronic fetal monitoring as possible, unless continuous monitoring becomes medically necessary, and would prefer any monitoring to be done via a fetoscope if I am in the right position (and not in the bath) – otherwise a doppler is fine.
- I would like to avoid internal examinations, unless there is a particular reason why you think one is necessary, and I would like these reasons to be discussed with me first.
- I would like to be as active as possible during the first stage of labour, but would hope to get into the birthing pool as soon as I feel ready, and would like to stay there to birth the baby. I would appreciate your support in encouraging me to give birth in the birthing pool.
- I would like either myself or my partner to catch the baby, if possible.
- I would like to hold my baby as soon as he/she is born, and any checks, Apgar tests etc. to be done while I’m holding my baby. I would like all other newborn procedures (weighing and measuring) to wait until I have had time to bond with and breastfeed our baby. I would ask that my baby not to be taken away from me at any stage during my stay except in the case of emergency. If the baby must be taken from me to receive medical treatment, I would like my partner to accompany the baby at all times.
- I would like my baby to be left unwashed with any vernix on the baby to be left to absorb naturally.
- I would like to have a fully natural (physiological) third stage labour, without syntocinon or any other drugs to assist in the expulsion of the placenta, and to have the cord cut only after it has stopped pulsating and after the placenta is delivered, to ensure that the baby gets its full quota of cord blood.
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Quick question to midwives and doctors, I wanted natural births and was able to have them. The only reason I did was because I thought it was the safest choice for my baby and also for me. Is that the case given all else equal ie no risk factors or disasters emerging during birth?
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Yes it is Alison. If there are no medical contraindications e.g. placenta praevia, then physiological birth is best on all levels.
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Carolyn Hastie’s website contains this pearler:
‘From delusions of being able to create the master race to the idea that you can reduce or even eliminate risk in life, medicine and science have sought to control and dominate nature.’
Need I say more?
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love love love this post!
two weeks out from giving birth and I was really looking forward to it but feel this immense pressure to do it drug free, natural and to not have a c section. the pressure is because all of a sudden giving birth is the same as getting married, 21st birthday parties and 1st birthday parties – it is seen as a status symbol rather than what it is. I looked up a you tube clip of hypno birthing and the women didn’t utter a sound. It made me stress that somehow being loud (which I have no doubt I will be) could be a bad thing!
agree with everything you have said!
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Being loud is good if that’s right for you. There is no ‘right’ way, there is your way and how you express yourself. Enjoy your baby! The whole thing is amazing.
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A lot of you have posted comments vigorously defending birth plans or justifying the need for medical intervention in your own labours…but I don’t think that the article is really about either of these things.
I mean is there really anything more boring than a birth story that is not ur own ? I can’t stand these women that feel the need to give me a self righteous account of their birth experience sans drugs at home on all fours. Yes, I gave birth to my two sons at a hospital with medical intervention, does that make me less of a woman than u ???
At the end of the day it about women competing with one another , and I’m sure that the same women who bang on about their labour (like they deserve a trophy and world wide recognition) will be the same irritating women who will want to compare their boring children to your own !
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I disagree that birth stories are only interesting to the one telling it. When I was pregnant with my first child, I read hundreds of birth stories. And I asked everyone who would share with me about their birth experience. I figured that no two births are identical, but if I read enough, then maybe some of them would share characteristics with my child’s birth. So I’d maybe know what to expect.
The thing that bothered me the most were all of the dreadful women telling me horror stories. I didn’t mind hearing about problems etc during labour and birth, but it seemed these women just wanted to spread misery and fear. Where’s the solidarity, sisters??
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i heard so many horror birth stories when i was pregnant with #1 that i was absolutely terrified of giving birth (i used to have nightmares about giving birth during the pregnancy). positive birth stories are great because they can take away your fear. a good book is ina may’s guide to natural child birth, the whole first half of the book is filled with positive birth stories.
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iAmandaroseI like hearing birth stories- home births hospital births etc. And just because they did it differently to you does not mean they are saying you are inferior or wrong. Why do people interpret this into things?
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Well I am going to jump on the band wagon and have my input as well…
I myself am a homebirthed child (now obviously an adult), my mother was a hippie so my mum gave birth to me in her midwives house on a matress on the floor along with candles, smelly oils, yoga chants, the whole bit really. she swears I came out smiling. The labour was long but not painful(according to her) as she used mediation to get her through it all. Interestingly not long after my birth the midwife was charged in court with malpractice. She spent time in jail (I think) and was not allowed to homebirth again.
My brother was a totally different story. He was born in a womens hospital under an ob due to some very highly complicated pregnancies that resulted in miscarriages proir to his conception. The birth went badly and my mum need lots and lots of medical intervention. She still talks about it, but never says that it scarred her so badly. It was just what happened and she dealt with it at the time.And she got what she wanted a perfectly healthy baby.
For me…. I had 2 hospital births, both very different. One slow and amazing the other fast and intense. But I got to the end point in a way that suited me. My only plan was to try not to have drugs. I succeeded. Not that I like to tell people that as I often get the negative comments from other women about me trying to be a hero or prove a point etc etc.
I wasnt offended by Mia at all. I think she was merely making an observation. With the added advice that sometimes if you make a plan with every aspect so detailed that you also need to be prepared for something to go wrong. And it will happen. And sometimes for these people who invest so much time and effort into creating these plans cannot cope very well when it goes pear shaped. This isnt really isnt just a lesson for birth but for life.
I have to also say I cant believe the reponse for this post and I also cant believe how plain nasty and judgemental people are of ecah other… makes me very very nervous to post an opinion or thought on mammia at all.
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I’m with Mia 100% on this. I always find it hilarious that some women spend more time researching their birth than they do on choosing a school for their kids. If you are in competent hands and in a first world country, what do you think will impact your kids in the longer term more – a drug free birth or the right education?
I also have no idea why everyone is so anti sections. If I had to judge it as an ‘experience’ and not jsut the thing I did to have the baby, it was a pretty bloody fabulous experience.
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Ladies, ladies, ladies
Such a diversity of experiences and so many of you rightous about your experiences and choices .
Women who have great, amazing mind blowing birth experiences simply wish that all women could share the same. Often when birthing conversations flow the women who had a tough time quite simply did not have some of the information that is available to all of us if we look . The point made about “would rather talk about my kids than my births” is actually a good one however without birth no kids . Just because natural birthing women are passionate about thier beliefs or deserve the right to choose what , where and how they want to birth does not make them birthzillas.
I am fortunate that I had 3 amazing mind-blowing life changing homebirths and it’s true that being a homebirther does become part if who you are like being a vegetarian does. It becomes part of your essential choices in life .
I used to feel good birth guilt at play groups because my births were not long or drawn out ,interfered with , or a c section. I was always the odd one out and so stopped talking about my wonderful births because it was easy to sense the other mums were uncomfortable with my choices and information.
Women need to unite about birth choices in our country and support all of us with prejudice or personal agendas.
Peace ladies <3
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I had a whatever needs to happen needs to happen birth plan. Without going into gory details I ended up with a very high risk emergency ceasar. Despite having no plan whatsoever the complications I had during labour were the starting point of me developing PND & Anxiety.
I’d like to know how these control obsessed women a.k.a birthzillas handle things when it doesn’t go to plan?
Could this be a reason why PND is increasing ?
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Mia, this is my first visit to your site, and I absolutely loved your article. Only recently, I have had homebirthers look at me in pity when I told them about my c-sections. During my 2nd pregnancy, with a c-section planned after an emergency section for #1, I got sick of many many people asking me “you know you can try for a natural birth after a c-section”…..like I made the decision to be operated on whilst awake and have pain for weeks afterwards without much thought. I also got the comment “oh you have just booked it in haven’t you?” like I had flippantly made an appointment to undergo major surgery! my 2nd c-section was a beautiful birth experience, made better with some careful planning and chats with my ob. women should have supportive discussions about birth and not compete over who wins. when all the kids sit down at kindy together, you cant tell ho was natural, who was homebirth or c-section, but you can tell the kids who have grace, manners, joy and laughter and thats what matters in the end isnt it?
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My birth plan: play it by ear.
Worked perfectly! I have a beautiful healthy little girl.
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