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birth plans birthzillas 380x399 Birthzillas: when its all about the birth, not the baby

 

 

 

 

by MIA FREEDMAN

“Did you have a plan for your placenta?” the woman asked me earnestly. She was pregnant. I was confused.

We’d only just met at a BBQ and as she repeated her question, I cocked my head quizically like a Labradoodle trying to understand a complex sentence. I’d never heard the words ‘plan’ and ‘placenta’ together and I was having trouble reconciling them.

“Huh? You mean did I, like, cook it or bury it in the garden?” She shook her head. “No, I mean when you gave birth did you have a plan for how your placenta would be delivered?”

Blink. “Um, out of my vagina? Does that count as a plan?”

More head shaking. The woman was growing impatient because she had a plan and she wanted to tell me about it. Her three page birth plan had “Delivering The Placenta” as its own subhead with half a dozen bullet points underneath.

I know this because she showed it to me on her phone while I tried not to stab myself with a sausage.

My personal view of birth plans is that they’re most useful when you set them on fire and use them to toast marshmallows. But there are some women who live for them: I call them Birthzillas because just like a Bridezilla focusses on the wedding not the marriage, The Birthzilla appears more interested in having a birth experience than a baby.

This term won’t win me any friends among those who believe passionately in a particular type of birth. Homebirth, freebirth, waterbirth, hypnotic birth, active birth, calm birth, silent birth……there’s a first-world menu of options for anyone who wishes to select from it, both inside and outside the hospital system.

Birthzillas usually speak about ‘empowerment’ and ‘control’ and use a lot of personal pronouns. Their own experience is invariably at the centre of their narrative even though they will always claim (and probably believe) that they’re acting selflessly for the good of their baby. This baffles me. It’s a bit like going to Paris and obsessing about the in-flight entertainment instead of, you know, PARIS.

Some women define themselves by the type of birth they had, even though their children are now in primary school. I antagonised this subculture a few years ago when I spoke out about freebirth (the practice of giving birth at home without any medical support not even a midwife) and called it reckless.

Many “birth advocates” came after me with pitchforks and autosignatures like:

“Anne-Marie, mother of Wyllow (happily freebirthed in 2002) and Jaydyn (proudly waterbirthed at home in 2004).”

It’s birth as identity and it’s odd.

The Birthzilla is such a first world creation. For millions of women, their birth plan is simply: “please let my baby and I survive”. However, among privileged women with access to safe and affordable care, I’ve noticed a growing fixation on the birth process.

For many, it’s about control. One of the most confronting things about pregnancy and birth is the unpredictability of it and women often believe they can regain control by planning. Babies, however, like to raise their middle finger at your plans. They come early, they come late, they get stuck, they get suddenly distressed or tired or tangled. I know you’ve made three playlists for the different stages of your labour but your baby doesn’t care.

tina fey bossypants1 380x553 Birthzillas: when its all about the birth, not the babyIn her memoir, Bossypants, the brilliant Tina Fey describes the birth of her first child like this: “Vaginal delivery, epidural, didn’t poop on the table”. Those three pertinent facts sum it up, pre-emptively answering the most common questions other women ask.

Men? They couldn’t care less. Never in your life will you hear a man urge a woman, “Please! Tell me more about the way you gave birth!”. Not even if she’s his wife.

While most women need little encouragement to launch into a detailed account of her birth from conception to the first time she has sex afterwards, men generally try to leave the room when the subject comes up. It’s just not that interesting to them. I don’t mean the part where they saw their baby for the first time. That’s mind-blowing. But the bits before that? Utterly insignificant compared to the lifetime of parenting that comes afterwards.

I recently heard a woman on the radio waxing lyrical about how her two homebirths “were the most incredible experiences of my life and I don’t know anyone who had a hospital birth and could say the same thing”. Me. I could. Three hospital births. Loved them all. And this is where I start to get tetchy.

Let me state for the record: I’m a fan of doctors. Love them. Especially obstetricians. If I could give birth in a stadium full of people in white coats with letters after their names I would do a happy jig. What? You’re a doctor of French literature? Mathematics? Oh well, come on down! The more qualifications nearby, the better.

But in the maddening world of competitive mothering, some women see their birth experience as a platform for smugness and superiority. A badge of maternal honour. The game of My Birth Was Better Than Yours is an ugly, destructive one. And hugely risky if it puts anything above the physical welfare of a baby.

So yes, I could bang on and on about my birth experiences. But I’d prefer to tell you about my kids.

UPDATE 6pm Sunday 17 June: Having read most of the comments and watch the debate unfold over the day, I just wanted to clarify four things.

1. Being a feminist does not – to me – mean agreeing with every decision made and every opinion held by everyone who happens to have a vagina. I will always be authentic and honest about my own opinions and this column is an example of that. Some seem to believe it’s my ‘duty’ to support all women regardless of their choices or behaviour. I’m afraid that’s not going to happen. I am one person with one opinion. I don’t claim to speak on behalf of anyone else. There are hundreds of contributors to Mamamia and thousands of comments that reflect a hugely diverse range of opinions which is as it should be.

2. I am not suggesting making a birth plan is reckless or even stupid. I’m not suggesting it’s a good idea to walk into your birth knowing nothing. Many commenters below have spoken about ‘birth preferences’ which I think is sensible. But becoming too fixated on the way you give birth is, in my opinion, a misplaced priority and ultimately often futile. And I’ve seen sooooo many women shocked, bewildered, disappointed and even ashamed that their birth did not go according to their plan. Being aware that it could all go to hell is an important part of preparing for the very unpredictable experience of giving birth.

3. There is a broad spectrum of Birthzilla behaviour. Some of it – making detailed plans for your placenta or compiling endless playlists for your ipod – is harmless enough. Trivial even. You want a water birth in a birth centre? Why not. More insidious are the Birthzillas who derive status and superiority from the way they give birth. They can be almost passive aggressive about it. And who says giving birth at home or without drugs is somehow ‘better’ or ‘more meaningful’ than giving birth via c-section or with an epidural or with forceps?

4. At the extreme end of the Birthzilla spectrum are those women who put their birth experience above the health and wellbeing of their baby. And yes it happens. In fact the South Australian coronor recently found that three babies who died during homebirths would have certainly survived had they been born in hospitals. You can read more about that here. In each case, their mothers knew the pregnancies were high risk and chose to give birth at home without medical support anyway. Their babies died. And for what? That is where Birthzilla behaviour can actually be a matter of life and death.

 

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  1. Claire

    Hey how about NOT coming up with yet another shaming, nasty name for something women do? Just another way to put women down. You know what? Yes, a healthy baby is the most important thing. Does that make birth unimportant? No. Disgusted by this article.

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    • Ally

      Absolutely!

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    • Anonymous

      Oh Claire, go have a nice cup of tea.

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    • Lola

      Women who turn are Birthzilla’s are painful women. Its funny to come up with a name to categorise these women. My opinion is that these women are nightmares. NO ONE cares about their placentas for heavens sake. Claire if you are disgusted by this article I too agree you need to sit down to a nice cup of tea.

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      • essessesse

        Lola, I think it’s patronising for you to tell someone else they need to sit down with a nice cup of tea. Would you like it if a poster said that in response to something that you said?

        Claire is entitled to an opinion without being told that she needs to calm down.

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        • Claire

          Thanks essessesse. I note the first cup of tea comment is anonymous. Stay classy. You have the nice cup of tea. Mia is the one calling names. My comment is just over three lines long. Hardly hysterical. Lola’s is longer and full of emotive language like ‘nightmares.’ But hey, you girls just keep being the cheer squad for Mia…you’re not doing her any favours with your patronising tone.

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          • MamaMel

            “Stay classy”. LOL! :)

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    • Kayfa

      Exactly Claire – “all these horrid birthzilla types should stop making other women feel bad. While I rip them to shreds and ridicule them for their choices”.

      Bravo Mia, way to bring women together.

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    • Anonymous

      Claire…. Grab that tea bag you are getting all bothered …

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  2. MrsBananaFarmer

    As always Mia I love your work. I had no plan when giving birth 9 months ago to my son. My plan was to hold my baby safely as I had been through a troubled pregnancy and 4 miscarriages before him – plain and simple just get him out safely! Keep up the great work Mia and the Mamamia team.

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  3. Janed

    More important is the fact that caesareans have increased by 74 per cent in Australia over the past 20 years and in Queensland, where it is highest, C-sections account for a third of all births. We have one of the highest rates in the world. Maybe if we did think about birth more and write a birth plan and actively prepare for the chance of a natural birth that rate wouldn’t be so high. But yes don’t get hung up on it- plans can change!

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    • essessesse

      This, right here.

      I can’t see what’s wrong with a birth plan. It’s about involving you in the process, making decisions, not just going into hospital and ‘doing as you’re told’. Naturally you look to the medical staff and midwives for their support and when the shit hits the fan what they say goes but before that, what the hell is wrong with thinking about what you’d like?

      This country has an obscenely high Caesarean rate. They are most certainly not all medically necessary. But hey, it’s ‘safe’ so that’s that.

      If it makes a woman happy to think about the process & jot down some notes I see nothing wrong with that. I think the real message of this post is that it’s impolite to talk about placentas at social gatherings.

      By the way, at my training hospitals the placentas were put in a big freezer and sold to a cosmetic company. True!

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      • Janed

        ..informed choices eg basic awareness of everything birth related and the possible consequences of every procedure and what is involved. Also really important and can avoid interventions is an active birth- moving around with contractions, stay upright and let gravity do its work. Wonder how many women who are screaming for epidurals and peth get to the labour ward and are flat on their back on a bed for hours- ow- (you are not sick! get out of the bed!)  then tear or need an episiotomy delivering because the baby is working against gravity. First birth plan- active birth, deliver squatting to avoid tearing, no bright lights but hard to follow when you are physically forced up on a bed by 2 midwives and legs put in stirrups so consequently had an enormous tear. Also blinded by bright lights! 
        2nd birth stayed active, warm baths, hot nappies, no intervention, quick labour, squatting so no tearing.

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      • eternally

        I think the problem with a birth ‘plan’ is that it can create unrealistic expectations, because as you say, sometimes things can go horribly wrong, and following the plan will not be possible.
        Expressing birth ‘preferences’ and seeking further information if desired is perhaps a more sensible approach.

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        • janed

          Hi re my first birth and birth plan (which was not focused on me but on the baby eg active birth avoiding long stressful labour, no bright lights, quiet environment etc, skin to skin contact etc) nothing went wrong. I was in a busy Sydney labour ward and determined to give birth naturally which was how I prepared eg squatting but ended up attached to physically limiting monitors, left alone for long periods then was then forced up from a mattress on the floor onto the bed, legs up in stirrups because that’s where the doctor wants you. Every light turned on, crashing of trolleys, baby born, brief hello to see he was a boy then he was taken away while I was painfully sewn up thinking what just happened? Felt like I’d been run over by a semi with a high beam on.
          Later I saw a video of him being wheeled around and handled roughly being washed and weighed etc. Yes I had a healthy baby but in hindsight PND and was traumatised… to be honest feel like we never bonded as well as my second one at home with my midwife.
          Possibly still having related problems 24 years later…I’m not liking the negativity this topic is generating. Birth should be something that unites us as women and I do feel we have lost control of that the more we attack each other…

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    • Krys

      Are you for real?

      Have you ever thought that maybe just maybe, some of those c sections were by choice or saved a life or 5? Ever thought that maybe those c sections were medically necessary?

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      • essessesse

        They’re not all medically necessary.

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        • Guest

          Now that’s a classy example of a woman thinking of the baby and not herself. NOT!!!!!

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        • Anonymous

          Staying tight below is hardly medically necessary…

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          • sally

            I find this so difficult to write.I have 3 beautiful children. Birth one was wonderful. Yes I had an epidural. When I was lying there afterward looking into my baby girls eyes the midwife said ‘I really think you could have done just fine without one’… somehow in her eyes I had failed by asking for one .I didnt need that. Still I was strong & smart enough to know I had done the right thing. Baby number 2, not so lucky. Horrible painful birth. The hospital was busy. It really hurt. I begged and begged for an epidural. Finally I got one 10 minutes before my baby boy was born. It was hell. The pain was unbearable…still I had one for the birth and that was better than nothing.
            Then I got pregnant again. My first thought was.. I dont think I can go through another birth experience again. Every time I thought about it I it resulted in some form of anxiety. I talked about how I felt to anyone who would listen. I had counselling a number of times at the hospital. It was acknowledged that yes I should have been given an epidural and that they would not let that happen to me again. I was being induced. In was written in BIG RED LETTERS on the front of my file. ‘This patient wants an epidural and should be given one as soon as feels is necessary ect’…. I felt like I had been heard and respected. I was even looking forward to the birth. The date came and I was induced. It took a few hours before I started having contractions. I was taken the birthing ward. The pain kicked it. I said I really need that epidural now please. The doctor on duty told me that she didnt think I was dilated enough… that she would come back after her dinner and see how I was coming along. I cried.. but she didnt care. It got worse and worse and I literally thought I was going to die. I wanted to die. I never thought I was possible for someone to be in that much pain and still be alive. It was without doubt the most horrific experience of my life.. When she came back after her dinner and decided that now might be the right time the anesthetist had been called away to a emergency casear. WHAT. They gave me pethadine. It did not even touch the sides. Eventually my baby was born. My husband was crying. Not tears of joy but tears because I was in so much pain. He was asked if he wanted to cut the cord.. He told her to cut it herself. It was not only me that it effected it was him too. That baby is now 2 and a half. After the birth I woke up in sweat with my heart pounding every single night reliving the experience. I thought about it all the time. I was diagnosed with PTSD.. I am doing better, but there is not a day that goes by that I dont think that horrific night. So Mia im with you in my opinion an epidural is a gift from heaven, I just with I had been given that gift.

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        • Aero holidays

          Why does it matter if people choose to have a c section? In the scheme of things I don’t believe it should matter but everyone has an opinion and are entitled to express them…. However it gets tiring reading comments that judge all the time. Do what works for u and your family.

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          • I had a c sec

            THis article wasn’t judging women for having c-secs, it was judging women who dared to become proactive and educated about their birth preferences.

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            • Mary-Jane

              Oh don’t be over dramatic. It was judging woman who, in Mia’s own words “put their birth experience above the health and wellbeing of their baby.”

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      • Janed

        So why has a natural process we are designed to do and have done for thousands of years become an medical emergency resulting in major surgery? Have our bodies changed shape, our hips narrower, babies no longer able to respond to natural birth hormones, our uterus’ have stopped responding to our body’s birth hormones and stop contracting? Are women more frightened of the whole process and less trusting in our body’s ability to give birth? Are we more willing to hand a natural process over to the doctors? Let the doctors take charge? Fits in with our pill for every ill culture.
        Seems strange that we are evolving to become less able or less willing to give birth as our bodies are designed to do. No I am not denying that lives have been saved by necessary c-sections just question an incredible 1 in 3 rate.

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        • Kathy W

          You fail to mention that thousands of women over thousands of years DIED in childbirth because of the shape of their pelvis, the position of the baby and the many other reasons why caesarians now save lives.

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          • janed

            I’m talking solely about why C section rates have gone up so much here and in the US. Even the WHO is concerned about this. I’d understand this increase if thousands of women were suddenly dying from birth in hospital or needed this intervention. Why aren’t we questioning this over medicalisation of birth and how the normal birth process can escalate to the point where a caesarean is needed. One in three births? I’m not talking about a normal necessary emergency C section. Why have the rates gone up so much?

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        • Faybian

          Kathy W, a lot of women in bygone days and modern women in 3rd world countries may have such problems that are at least partly related to their general health. Such as deformed pelvises due to rickets caused by vitamin c deficiency from poor diet/starvation etc. Higher parity causing looser abdominals and malpositioned babies and so on. Yes caesarians have and will continue to be a lifesaver, but they are still major abdominal surgery. Let’s not forget that. Given the steep rise in the Caesarian rate in recent years, it’s not an unreasonable thing to question just how many of them are absolutely necessary.
          I actually tend to think we are less in touch with the whole process of birthing and don’t generally have faith in our body’s abilities.

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          • janed

            Yes yes yes…I read a book when I was about 16 going through my world/politics/self awareness year (year 10! read a million books on everything) called Witches, Midwives and Nurses: A History Of Women Healers pub in 73 by the Feminist Press and new ed. in 93.
            Demonisation of women healers and midwives (eg birth becoming the domain of male specialists who deliver the baby) and changing attitudes towards childbirth, alternative medicine and the reasons for medicalisation of medicine and childbirth. The supression of witches in medieval Europe and the rise of the male medical profession and the struggle between female practitioners and male professionals. Something still going on between midwifes and obs.

            Yes of course people have been saved by modern medicine (myself included in 95- cancer then ending up in a coma 2004) but the history is fascinating to look at how we ended up here particularly for women.
            I get the feeling girls and a lot of young women now are almost ashamed of their bodies natural functions – menstruation, birth and breastfeeding.
            Ever tried to have a conversation with anyone under 20ish about the details of birth? eeewwww they don’t want to know just say they want to get to hospital and have it clinically dealt with….you are right there seems to be no awareness of the power of our bodies as women and definitely less in touch.

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    • Amy

      ‘Obscenely high’? Why is having a c section so frowned upon? It IS safe, it can be a choice (my second was delivered by c section). I CHOSE to have a c section because the birth of my first child was traumatic for both of us. She was stuck, I lost too much blood, I was ripped to shreds and incontient for months but thankfully I delivered her with the help
      of forceps and manouvering of my pelvis so she could get out. She was
      fine but I was an emotional wreck! Thank god I was in a hospital because it all happened so fast and could have been so much worse. She was stuck and I needed help (and drugs!).

      My c section with my second was the BEST decision ever. It hurt afterwards, but not was bad as my first. The recovery was quicker. I was emotionally better, and most importantly, my son was delivered safely. I think it’s so judgemental to harp on about c section rates as ‘negative’ when, if you look at the stats in Australia, elective c sections are perfectly safe. People should not judge others for a medical decision that had the safety of my son and I at its core.

      I guess I’m at the other end of the spectrum – I can’t stand the judgement! So many nurses, maternal
      nurses and doctors, to friends and family, querying why I had a c section! Because I can!! I’m lucky to have the choice. I embraced and trusted medical professionals to deliver my babies safely.

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      • Faybian

        Caesarians should be reserved for those that need them like you did. I can honestly understand why you had an elective for your 2nd child. I don’t understand having one for no reason though. Considering its major surgery a 1 in 3 rate is too high. Appendixes or gall bladders aren’t taken out for no medical reason, why should babies?

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        • Anonymous

          This is definitely the right choice for you. I’m not a believer in birth plans… But I don’t see this as a birth plan, I see this as doing the right thing for you and your family. You were informed and made the best choice.

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    • Holly

      I think you have made a very sensible comment Janed :)

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  4. Melissa

    A little bit of a plan is good. I just told the midwife at the time tho. For my 3rd 4 weeks ago I told the midwife in labour. No Peth (bad for baby) epidural NOW please (no time );..) and I wanted to use a mirror, cut the cord and help pull my daughter out. Which all of which I got to do =D and mind u I did end up screaming for peth… (anything!!) lol. Planning in things such as no csect ect is stupid but it’s good to have a bit of an idea if you do want some things just be prepared that it may not happen x

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  5. Dr G

    I think your understanding of birth plans is totally wrong. It is purely a tool to give you an opportunity to consider what you would prefer to do in different circumstances. As another person said, when you’re in the thick of things you don’t make your best decisions. We had a detailed birth plan. When things started to look like there may be complications, our birth plan is what allowed us to calmly assess the situation and make the rational decision to have the caesarean birth that was necessary in that circumstance. Mum and baby were fine, and our interaction with the hospital staff was very positive.

    The real value of the birth plan was this. Even though it didn’t turn out as we had originally hoped, we still felt like the experience wasn’t taken entirely out of our hands, and we came away feeling very positive and have had a great start to our journey as parents.

    While some women don’t care about what happens during the birth (most of your commentators apparently), others do attach a lot of significance to it (whether you agree with that or not is irrelevant). These are the ones at greater risk of things like post natal depression as a result of the perception of missing out. No one is saying it’s rational, “but it does happen.

    Mia you say what a fan you are of doctors. However, any doctor will acknowledge that all medical interventions come with risk, and it is irresponsible to subject your baby to those interventions without having considered that risk. You’re kidding yourself if you think things never go wrong. This is where the birth plan gives you the chance to think about those risks and whether you’re comfortable with them, and how you want to proceed in those situations

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    • Mrs R

      Are you even a real doctor?

      I don’t believe MM commenters “don’t care” about their births I think most normal sensible people realise that is beyond their control.

      An Mia also never said she didnt think there were risks involved, I believe she was stating the opposite by saying she wanted a stadium of doctors around!

      I completely agree with Mia on this article, some people turn anything into a competitive sport.

      FYI incase anyone cares, my birth plan was: get the baby out,healthy, me: not get ripped to shreds! Success x 2!!

      PS: Mia LOVE LOVE LOVE this article!!

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      • Kris2040

        I think it’s a way for non-competitive people to vent their competitive urges. Like you say, competitive sport. Except it’s who had the more difficult birth with the least interventions. Then it moves on to breastfeeding, organic vegan foods, homeschooling…

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        • Mrs R

          I agree, then reading levels, reports, awards, and I’m sure HSC results.

          ALL because of the birth plan!!!

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        • Flowers in the Spring

          Birth as competitive sport – love it! Someone’s always got to have the longest labour, the most stitches and the biggest head circumference. And then there’s always that person who clearly believes that because the births weren’t like theirs that you’re saying there’s something wrong with you or them or both.

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          • T Liz

            I think that is more the point of the article. It doesn’t exactly look down on women who are educating themselves about their birth, it’s pointing out the frustration that comes from the women who puff their chests out and have to one-up the next woman over how they did it… Frown upon their use of drugs, frown upon their choice to go birth centre over hospital.. My birth plan flew out the door with the onset of Pre-eclampsia and control-freak me ended up with PND as a result. Lesson learned. Next baby, all was well. Babies and birth are unpredictable.

            But remember, this article is Mia’s opinion. If you don’t like what she writes, why are you still reading?

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    • Ellie

      I agree with Dr G wholeheartedly! It’s good to know what your preferences are going into the birth so you don’t feel that things were taken out of your hands and you were given no choice. I used a birth plan this way for my first and came away from the experience very positive despite things not going exactly to plan. My second baby is due tomorrow – yikes!!

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  6. One born every minute

    Did anyone watch the US version ^ a couple weeks ago with the couple who had the doula and had their plan…wanted it to be all natural, etc.
    Fair enough, but they were so rude to that poor midwife!!!!!!!

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    • Skye

      Haha it was hilarious! What a couple of prats…I’m amazed the midwife managed not to slap the husband!!!

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    • Faybian

      They were both at fault, both the couple (and their doula) and the nurse (who was not a midwife btw). I saw it and it annoyed me how much she just kept trying to shove the epidural option down their throats and was very uncomfortable with their wishes for a non medicalised birth. I’ve watched a couple of episodes of the US version and can’t do it anymore.

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      • Melsie

        I know, it’s disturbing. So very different to the British version & very disappointing.

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  7. NewMum

    Our daughter is almost 1. And I will never forget when at one of my last OB checkups the dr asked what my birth plan was. My OB is very sweet and gentle and when I replied “to do what I’m told” and he laughed out loud, I wasn’t sure what was funny. He said in all his years he’d never been told that. I explained that that’s why I’m seeing a specialist – because it’s his job to tell me what to do.

    He still wanted my husband and i to go home and write one so it went something like this…

    If possible I’d like to give birth vaginally. However my husband and I will do whatever the dr or midwives recommend to ensure the delivery of a healthy baby and a healthy mummy.

    When I handed it to the midwife at the hospital she said she wanted to frame it.

    Turns out I needed a ceasarean, my Dr asked at my 6 week check up if I was okay with how things turned out. I replied absolutely!! To me I was more chuffed with myself that I grew this perfect little angel rather than which way she exited the womb.

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    • Vee

      That is just beautiful. A perfect outcome for parents and baby, and a realistic view on birthing. Just lovely!

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    • Em

      Oh that’s so funny. And I love that you had the intelligence to put yourself in good hands & trust your doctors. My obgyn wasn’t into rigid birth plans either…we went with the flow ;) . reminds me of the Sherlock Holmes story where the heroine had to solve a riddle to get her inheritance. She employed mr Holmes to do so. He did & she inherited. The riddle was for her to show she was intelligent & justified educating a girl.. When Watson pointed out that technically she didn’t solve it Sherlock said she had the brains to employ the expert so she deserved it.

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    • Sophie

      Great story NewMum! Love that.

      Yeah me too. I had a great obstetrician whom we trusted and listened to. My plan was to turn up, do my best and take advice if things went pear-shaped.

      But all we really cared about was getting to leave hospital with a healthy new member of our family.

      And I absolutely LOVED my hospital experience. I could have stayed forever. Gorgeous midwives, nurses, doctors-the lot. I look forward to doing it all again.

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      • NewMum

        Thanks ladies.

        Sophie I’m the same. Had a wonderful experience in the hospital. Loved my Dr and look forward to (hopefully) doing it again.

        I have a close friend who is due any day now and she asked for advice. I told her my only advice was to have an open mind. Focus on holding a healthy baby. It’s the 10 months growing this little person that you should be sooo proud of.

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  8. Irene

    Hi Mia, I don’t agree with your article at all. While there is always a small percentage of people that are fixated on their birth plan there are some people that have had very traumatic birth experiences and that needs to be acknowledged. I don’t appreciate how your article seems to trivialise the birthing experience because it IS a form of trauma is things happen during the birth that were not expected. Your article dismisses those people and is telling them to “get over it”. While I do agree that of course the end result is most important – Mum and baby are both well – if Mum is not psychologically well as she is not dealing with the birth experience then this is an issue. I usually enjoy reading your articles but this one didn’t sit right with me at all I’m sorry to say.

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    • Vee

      A really good point Irene – I actually enjoyed the article because it resembles a bit of my experience, however I think you have hit the nail on the head that sometimes, whilst it might appear as thought it is about power, it is about a mother trying to set herself up for success after the birth – mentally, physically, emotionally. I have a friend who had a terrible, terrible labour, and if I experienced 48 hours of hell I’d be penning a birth plan too – I do think it’s important for everyone to understand what the mother would like. I think they key is for the parents to be flexible and ensure the safety of mummy and baby at all times – and sometimes a birth plan can get in the way of that.

      I didn’t have a plan for my first, and did for my second, and my reason for doing so was to avoid some of the negative experiences the first time, especially with having pethadine as I did not respond well to it. The result was that I did actually still have pethadine but midwives and OB understood why I was not keen and offered me very small doses to minimise the side effects for me.

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    • Kris2040

      If they are having problems after having an unrealistic birth plan or not realising that the shit may hit the fan and the plan needs to go out the window, though, that’s something they do pretty much need to sort out.

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    • Dana

      Thank you for writing this Irene.

      I read Mia’s article in the paper this morning and I am most unsettled with it also. I do agree with some of her points about ‘birthzillas’ and I have no doubt that some mothers seem to lose sight of what is the most important outcome – healthy baby, healthy mummy! But I also feel that she is overlooking, or perhaps lumping into the same basket, those mothers who didn’t get to experience the birth that they would have liked to have experienced and might feel some negative feelings about it.

      I have had two emergency caesarian sections. Without these, I and my babies would most certainly not be here today. I am SO VERY GRATEFUL for modern medicine and my amazing doctors and nurses who worked very hard to to keep us safe. However – I feel very sad about the fact that I haven’t been able to birth vaginally and that my births were traumatic. I will always carry with me a sense of disappointment and sadness about them both. I don’t feel this makes me a ‘birthzilla’ – and surely I am not the only mum out there who is so happy with the level of care they received during the birth – but perhaps unhappy about the way the birth occurred?

      I agree with Mia in that the those women out there who are willing to put their own and baby’s safety ahead of what they feel is the ‘perfect’ birth needs to seriously check their priorities – but I really feel this article trivializes the feelings of those out there who might have trouble coming to terms with how their birth experience happened.

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      • Dana

        EDIT – that last paragraphs was meant to say:

        “Those who put the perfect birth scenario ahead of their own and baby’s safety needs to seriously check their priorities…”

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  9. katrinaevans

    Give me a doctor who knows what they’re doing and I’m in their hands. What’s my birth plan? You’re going to tell me what’s best for me and my baby.

    Normal pregnancy, nothing worse than 6 months of nausea. After 15 hours of labour, baby’s heart rate started dropping and I was rushed in for an emergency caesar because they couldn’t bring it back up. Sparing the gory details, it turned out I had a weird condition that had never reared its head in the past.

    I don’t like to think about what would have happened had I been trying to give birth at home.

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  10. Anonymous

    Great article mia.
    There are no prizes for giving birth one way over another!
    My first birth was vaginal – and was pretty full on. My second – a caesar – I was so against a Caesar but I needed one. Turns out I loved it!!
    My children are so amazing I dont even think about how they were born (except when I see belly jiggle!!)

    I bet doctors find this all a bit hilarious – women preferring to opt for ‘natural’ when conventional medicine means they could go without pain. You wouldn’t have a tooth pulled without anesthetic! Bwahahahah

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    • Kayfa

      I’m not sure what’s funny. I’ve birthed both with and without drugs, and the drug free births were a million times better (for both me and my babies). What is hilarious about someone choosing to birth without drugs?

      Nothing. But it’s a great chance to ridicule other women, right?

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  11. Anonymous

    I’m not sure if this makes me a birthzilla, but I must admit I’m a bit nervous about the birth of my next child (28 weeks in now) because I had an awesome birth experience the first time round and sort of by accident got most of my birthplan ‘wishes’ – I’m a bit worried I’ll be disappointed in myself if the next birth doesn’t go as well. It’s ridiculous to worry about it – of course the health of the baby and me is paramount…

    I think I might be a birthzilla anyway, I LOVE talking about birth and what it was like for different people, what worked for them and how the experience is different for everyone. Birth was so incredible for me, I’ve never felt so empowered and proud of what I’d done (moreso the creation of a baby rather than the actual birth I mean).

    Loved reading this article and I might take the hint to tone down my enthusiasm for sharing it unless I’m sure people are interested :)

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  12. Amandarose

    ” I could bang on about my birth experiences. But I would prefer to tell you about my kids”

    You seem to bang on about your birth alot on here and diss everyone with a different view or experience.

    Competitive birth stories- your the queen of them. If people home birth, water birth on eat placenta’s who cares? Their babies, their body and their decisions.

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    • MamaMel

      when I read this comment, Amandarose, I did a mental fist pump! Yeah! What you said!

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  13. Melanie

    Mia once again you have made my blood boil on a Sunday morning after reading your article in the Herald Sun. You would think I would have learnt my lesson and steer clear of giving your articles the time of day….

    But I am compelled to comment on your “Rise of the Birthzilla” article. I am a mother of 2 young children. My first was born in a private hospital under the care of an obstetrician and my second was born at home under the care of two independent midwives. Both were beautiful births and also attended by a doula.

    Previously a teacher for nine years, since the birth of my children I now work as a doula. Drawing on my background in education I work with my clients to help inform them about pregnancy and birth so that they can make informed decisions about the birth of their own baby. And in doing this, I help them put together a Birth Plan. Let me mention that all of my clients so far have had their births in hospitals. However even though they were in this environment they we hoping for as natural a birth as possible.

    So my role is to firstly help inform them about the process of birth. That’s right, there is a process and it is called labour! Your comments about millions of women’s birth plan simply being “Please let my baby and me survive” are very typical of women’s views of birth in this generation. Rhea Dempsey (renowned birth educator and birth attendant) comments in the recent documentary “Face of Birth” about women in this generation being part of the “Labour Bypass Era”. They have completely forgotten or refuse to acknowledge that there is a process involved in birthing a baby – LABOUR! Perhaps you should watch this film…..

    So back to preparing a birth plan. When I help my clients construct a birth plan we talk about what their ideal situation is and then also allow space within it to talk about the “what ifs”. The greatest thing about doing a birth plan is the process in educating yourself in doing so. My clients actually research and talk to me about what their choices are in this medical environment, what the different stages of labour will bring and options there are if they are confronted with an unexpected event.

    Let me give you a perfect example. My last clients birthed their baby at the Royal Womens Hospital in Melbourne. In their birth plan they decided that they would like to labour for as long as they could and felt comfortable with at home before going to the hospital. So they did. They laboured all day at home and then when they felt like the time was right they went to the hospital and I met them there at 11pm. When we got up to the birth suite the midwives had obviously read their Birth Plan as the room was dimly lit and they were filling the bath for her as per her wishes. The beautiful young midwife then left us to labour with our interference (except for the occasional listen to the bubs heartbeat). My client laboured throughout the night beautifully with no pain relief as she intended. By morning she was very tired and the obstetrician asked if she would like some help to get her “over the line” by putting her on the syntocinon drip. Now this was NOT part of my client’s Birth Plan, however her partner who had been part of the writing of the birth plan asked if they could have a moment to think about this. This is something that they had stated in their Birth Plan that they would like to have the opportunity to do – have time to discuss things. So they decided to go ahead with this, but in having the time to discuss they felt like this was an informed decision that THEY made, not a decision that was made for them.

    I had a similar situation with another client who developed Preeclampsia. She was TOLD after some blood pressure monitoring one day that they were going to admit her to be induced. When she questioned this and said she would rather that not happen straight away, they were more than happy to let her go home. She was induced a couple of days later, but again she felt like this was her informed decision, rather than just being TOLD what to do.

    You talk about the unpredictability of birth and you are completely right. But what you are completely wrong about about is the woman’s opportunity to regain some form of control or empowerment in this moment. With both of my clients I spoke about, things didn’t go completely to their Birth Plan. However they had informed themselves enough that they had the confidence to question, think about and make inform decisions about what was best for both them and their baby. And they both have beautiful birth stories as a result. If they had just gone with the flow and not informed themselves, I know this would not be the case….

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    • MrsB

      What’s your point?

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      • essessesse

        I think her point is that having a birth plan doesn’t make you a Birthzilla.

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        • Melanie

          Thanks essessesse:) I thought my point was very clear.

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    • Mrs R

      I love that THEY laboured all day. Hilarious!! SHE laboured all day, he, while i’m sure attentive, DID NOT labour!

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      • Fi

        “room dimly lit and they were filling the bath for her as per her wishes”. Reminds me of a pre-concert wish list from Mariah Carey of how the green room should be presented.

        Sorry, but I wouldn’t have noticed the lights during my labour. And I vaguely recall something about a tub and trying to rip the tiles off the walls because I was in agony! Lol

        Sorry – but that made me giggle a bit. Clearly I’m immature :/

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        • Melanie

          Point is Fi, should was made to feel comfortable in what can otherwise be a bright, sterile, unwelcoming environment. She was completely aware of her surroundings, so for her that was very important. I can understand if it wasn’t a priority for you. We are all different and that is why people being aware of our preferences via a Birth Plan can be helpful.

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    • Kathy W

      What a load of twaddle. ‘We’ laboured. Hahahah.

      Not to mention downright dangerous. Allowing someone with pre-eclampsia to ‘have a think’ about an induction. What utter stupidity.

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      • Melanie

        Kathy W, obviously not dangerous as they were quite happy for her to go home and continue daily monitoring. Unfortunately some doctors are very happy to offer only one option to women (in this case an unnecessary option at that point). Many women who had not informed themselves would just comply to that one option. My client never put herself or her baby in danger. She just asked if she could have some more time to see if she would go into spontaneous labour and they were happy to give her that. Obviously if they thought it was too dangerous to give her this extra time, they would have insisted on her staying at the hospital to be induced. Induction didn’t happen until two days later with the mum making that decision and no one put in danger.

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        • Kathy W

          Well, why say it was pre-eclampsia? Real pre-eclampsia is deadly. Having gone through that myself with a BP of 180/200 there was no way on this earth I was going home and was grateful to be induced.

          Why all the hurrah about spontaneous labour? I simply don’t get it. Having had an induction the first time and a spontaneous labour the second – I can tell you there ain’t a scrap of difference in the pain and the outcome for both was the same – two sons born breathing and alive.

          But hey, I suspect you’ll now educate me on how inductions are chemical, affect the baby bla bla bla. Yawn.

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          • Melanie

            Kathy my point exactly. Apparently she only had early signs of Pre eclampsia, so there was no need to act immediately. My client new exactly how deadly it can be but went with the medical advise of allowing her to be monitored a little longer before inducing. I’m glad your induced and spontaneous labours were comparable. However with many inductions, the labour progresses so quickly that the woman cannot cope and soon she is faced with a cascade of interventions. My client was fortunate to have a fabulous midwife who managed the induction with the drip on a very low dose and therefore ended up being very close to the natural labour that she originally wanted. She was very happy with this. And no I am not going to educate you as you have not asked me to….

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            • Bee

              My birth plan: throttle the next supersillious upstart midwife that tries to denigrate my choice for an appropriately educated OB!
              Ive had 4 children (ages 17, 4, 2 & 3months) and on each occasion I’ve had to contend with coniving midwives trying to “one-up” the OB with comments whispered like “you really don’t need him here”, “oh, he THINKS he knows everything but we (midwives) know better” etc. Different hospitals, different OB’s and different midwives! Same petty professional jealousy! Birth Plans were invented by midwives in an attempt to validate themselves.

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    • LozFromOz

      I think Mia’s ‘millions of women’ comment was actually referring to all of the women in non-first world countries who probably do not even know what a birth plan is, let alone have one- all they are hoping for is for themselves and the baby to be ok. I don’t think it was a generational reference the way you think.

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      • Poppy

        Midwives have been around much longer than obstetricians. There place in maternity care is for medical intervention and consultation. It is an important role. Maternity care works best when it is collaborative.

        Pregnancy, Birth and postnatal cared for by a midwife have very good outcomes for a healthy normal woman. While you may have had some bad experiences don’t you dare tar all midwives with the same brush.

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  14. mandywill

    Mia, I agree with this so much I could have written it myself and, in fact, attempted as much on my hopelessly sporadic blog a few moths back.

    With the birth of my first son eight years ago, I booked into the family birth centre because it seemed more comfortable and I liked the thought of dealing with mid wives over the grumpy old man obstetrician I saw on my first visit.

    I then got all pumped up for a natural birth and went to a workshop with a (I reckon now, in hindsight) a bit of a natural birth fanatic. I was still feeling fairly pumped but then she started talking about a birth plan and how down to the letter it had to be. The thing that really didn’t sit well with me was that she recommended we have a support person who would have the guts to stand up to our pleads and screams for an epidural. Totally lost me at that point.

    I also remember getting stressed about not having my birth plan ready to show at one of my appointments (like I hadn’t done my homework) and the gorgeous mid wife just leant over, touched my knee and said with a smile “Ilove that you have no birth plan – going with the flow is the best way to be giving birth.”

    I ended up screaming for that epidural and BY GOD! what bliss! For my second I was prepped for an emergency Caesarian and in that theatre with about five people in scrubs all I felt was happiness and love emanating from everyone. Honestly, it was beautiful.

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  15. Ally

    “It’s a bit like going to Paris and obsessing about the in-flight entertainment instead of, you know, PARIS.”

    Actually, it’s not at all like that.

    And it’s not about competition or smugness, it’s knowing the risks, the statistics, and making safe choices to protect your baby and yourself from harm. The beautiful experience that comes with low intervention birth is a welcome bonus.

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    • Mia

      Hey Ally,
      And that’s my point.
      “low intervention” births are not the only beautiful ones. There should be no superiority scale for the ‘quality’ of a birth.
      Your birth is not somehow more magical or meaningful than the mother of a baby whose birth was assisted – and whose life possibly saved – by forceps, suction, drugs or a c-section.

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      • Ally

        I completely agree, and I’ve been in both camps.

        My two births could not have been more different. The first medically managed from the word go, the second natural, both beautiful. The two best days of my life, hands down. However, after one I was physically wrecked for weeks, because I was unaware of the risks of interventions that were performed, with my consent, several downright lifesaving, but some unnecessary. The second time around I understood the system and the statistics and took control of the experience. Natural birth is not about being a gigantic bitch to anyone who didn’t have one, it’s about my baby and I, our safety and no one else.

        When I talked to people about my first birth, I was just de-constructing my experience, and everyone was fine with that. When I discuss my second, I’m rubbing it in people faces. Not once has a natural birth advocate been genuinely unpleasant towards me because I didn’t have a natural birth, but I’ve lost count of the times people either laughed in my face or told me I was an idiot for wanting it to be different the next time., Everyone is entitled to talk about their births, their experiences, their choices and the reasoning behind that.

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        • Poppy

          Women can be involved in all manner of births. I read a beautiful story of a woman lifting her baby out (with assistance) in a casaerean delivery. It was discussed before hand, it was planned so not logistically possible for an emergency.

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      • Claire

        No Mia. That was not your point. Your point was to invent a nasty name to get lots of comments. You’re an old hand at setting up little flame wars (and how bad am I for buying into it?) If you’d posted something as reasonable as the above, there’d be nothing to see here. But that’s not how the internet works and you know it. Nice little trick though, posing as the anti-judgemental one but using such a revolting term as ‘birthzilla’. So who’s judgemental?

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        • Louisa

          @ Claire…go grab that bloody cup of tea.

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          • ellepap79

            ROFL-agreed Louisa. Seriously, some people need to calm down. To each their own. Personally, I don’t care HOW my baby arrives into this big, beautiful world, as long as it’s alive and breathing. It’s not just about the birth but the WHOLE child raising gig – there are another 18+ years to go on this journey. Raise a well rounded, fully functioning adult in this society and that’s your best reward. I had a scheduled c-section at 37 weeks with twin girls cos my obs policy was no natural birthing with multiples. I liked him and trusted him so I went with it. Didn’t bother me, I didn’t feel robbed or cheated because of his policy. Next time around I’ll just go with the flow. If I can deliver vaginally-bonus-if not, never mind, another c-section it is :)

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          • Claire

            How about you say something of substance rather than just telling others to shut up? I’m not telling women how to give birth. I’m just calling Mia on y
            The fact she’s a name calling troll.

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            • T Liz

              Hmmm… pot? Kettle?

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          • Tarnia

            @ Louisa…please stop being so bloody rude.

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      • Madelein

        Big fan of yours Mia but very dissapointed you felt the need to name call (birthzilla). I don’t think it’s helpful nor particulary clever. You have been and could be even more, a positive advocate for women to cease the judgements and tearing strips off eachother. Just a thought.

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  16. Vicki

    My birth plans were always the same-expect the unexpected. I think if you have a fixed plan and are not open to it changing, then the experience can be downright heartbreaking for some women.
    For instance my last birth went like this….planned c-section due to a grade 4 placenta previa with accreta and partial percreta, in laymans terms it meant my entire placenta was covering my cervix, it then attached to my uterus, grew through my uterus wall then attached itself to my bladder.
    When they took my baby and placenta they also took my uterus. The placenta and uterus were attached, very attached. So they took everything out. I needed a bladder reinforcement, I lost 6 litres of blood, had 17 bags of blood transfused and 2 shots of adrenalin to help me through. Oh and the first couple of days in ICU.
    So my advice? Open your minds up to the possibility that your plans won’t go to plan.

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    • Kayfa

      LOL – did Mia even try to pose as anti judgmental? I must have missed that ;)

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  17. kiks

    Brilliant and brave Mia about time someone said it. Giving birth takes, at the most, 24 hours, being a parent takes a lifetime. FYI birth stories are not interesting, imagine being married to an obstetrician and if you are out socially women love to recount their birthing stories to your husband. Welcome to my life…

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    • Actually....

      Not to be competitive, but 24 hours would have been a short one for me ;)

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    • katrinaevans

      That’s awful, saying he must get sick of that is an understatement. Good lord, I feel for you.

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  18. Liz

    Well I had a water birth for my 3rd child, does that make me a crazy hippy? It was a water birth at hospital, I just hoped it would hurt less. I asked them to delay the cutting of the cord, and asked them to not give me the jab for bleeding at the end unless they really felt they had to (made me feel very sick after my 2nd)
    Some of us have a little bit of a plan of what we would like to happen/not happen. Doesn’t make us all birthzillas, more woman with a brain in their head.

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    • Sienna

      I wanted a water birth with my second child in the birthing centre of King George V because I thought it would be more comfortable & less painful (was it?) but the midwife couldn’t be bothered to fill up the tub & then it was too late because the baby was coming! 16 years later I still feel cheated out of a less painful birth, & remember clearly the horrible burning pain of tearing! Do mothers who had water births still have tearing & need stitches?

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      • Sophie

        I’m not sure if this helps but I was gutted that I couldn’t have a water birth with my first baby as I was induced and rigged up to a baby heart monitor. When I had my second I was so excited to get in the bath but for straight out as I just couldn’t get comfortable. Laboured in the shower instead. Just goes to show labour always takes you by surprise!

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      • Tripitaka

        I had a water birth for my 2nd baby, and I still had a tear and needed stitches. In fact compared to my first birth it was much harder. Not only was he a massive baby at 4.7kg (I had no idea he was going to be this big…) but it also meant I couldn’t move around and change position as freely as I could during the labour of my first baby. Sorry to hear you still feel cheated, to be honest I don’t think I will every fully come to terms with my experience either.

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    • katrinaevans

      I’m absolutely not into birth plans, but this to me sounds really reasonable. Plus you had a bit of experience up your sleeve, so knew what you were talking about.

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  19. gh

    my birth plan was like this.

    1. Get the baby out the quickest and safest way possible.

    not hard really. My midwife (had the same one all the way though, including birth) was always really amazed how calm I was about the whole thing. There isnt much you can do about it really, the baby will come how and when it wants.

    I have just recently found out I am pregnant with my 3rd (after hubby has JUST had the chop, conceived a week before he had it done!!!!)

    Here we go again!

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  20. letter of the day

    When asked what my birthing plan was for my second child I told my doctor just to put a big “E” on my chart for “epidural”.

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  21. Anonymous

    OMG cracking up laughing !! I know a girl like this who when she had child 2 she had hubby and child one in the homebithing pool with her…yes i happily made a donation to that kids future therapy. I cant stand all the superiority that goes with birthing. Push it out cut it out I DONT EFFING CARE! LOVE you Mia this is the best thing ive read in ages !
    oh and my plan, 1 get it out 2 enjoy it ….kinda simple really but I guess according to the birthzillas im a selfish mole who didnt give a toss about the experience of it in all its bloody, poopey, painful glory shame on me ! hahahaha. God I cant wait to see the bitter vitriole after this one !

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  22. georgiepie

    I am 20, I have no idea about birth. But I did see what to expect when you’re expecting a couple of days ago (I was surrounded by mums, whip were crying with laughter!), and one character needed to have an emergency c-section because her baby was in big big trouble. and she said ‘oh no, no, I’m doing a natural birth, no c-section’. WOMAN you are an idiot your baby will die! just get it out, who cares about your ‘plan’! Myself, and the woman around me, all groaned in exasperation at the same time haha.

    if I ever have kids my birth plan is this.

    get the kid out safely
    take kid home.
    love kid for the rest of my days

    good plan no?

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    • Emma

      great plan – same plan I had with both of my kids. Then you don’t set yourself up for failure or disappointment if something doesn’t happen the way you wanted or didn’t want it to go.

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      • Hannah

        Haha yes! I saw this movie about a week ago and the ENTIRE cinema groaned when Elizabeth Banks character objected to the C section. Im also 20, have no real idea about birth, but I do have a real idea about common sense and I just can’t understand women like that. Not all women with birth plans are birthzillas, but they do exist you can’t deny that!

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    • Sophie

      Good plan! You’re a wise woman.

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  23. Alma Jack

    Hardly the type of thing I want to read when I open my paper at breakfast time. I am wondering why this regular feminist rant gets such high level exposure

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    • Anonymous

      Yes god forbid an intelliegent woman would have a platform in a…. gasp! paper to air views shared and enjoyed by other women! It might take away from all the “worthy” stuff in the paper ike political cartoons and sport. IF YOU DONT LIKE IT DONT READ IT!! and dont get on a computer to be abusive SIMPLE

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      • Cat

        Here here. No one forced you to read it. And Mia I couldn’t agree more, when I have kids I don’t care how I have them as long as they are healthy

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    • katrinaevans

      Aaahh…….why DID you read it? Surely the heading must have given you a clue?

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  24. Kathy W

    I had the needle to deliver the placenta faster and some of it ended up left behind, causing a massive infection six weeks later. I truly didn’t give a toss about the placenta – it’s a waste product after it’s done its duty.

    Birthzillas – sheesh – they were everywhere when I had my sons. ‘Did you book the birth suite with the birthing pool?’ ‘Are you going to walk around while in labour?’, ‘Is your husband going to massage your back?’ and numerous other nosey questions.

    Birthing pool? Look – I could have had my baby in a broom closet. All I wanted was for him to be healthy and the pain to stop.

    Why didn’t anyone ask me about my breastfeeding plan? That would have made a whole lot more sense!

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  25. Mum of 2

    By the way, there are different ways of delivering the placenta?? Two kids later I don’t know of anything other than save it or not!

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    • Renee

      There are – you can have an injection to speed up the ejection of the placenta or you can wait and deliver it when it comes of its own accord. Both are valid options, one is quicker, one is not. Some women don’t see the need for the needle or drugs however.

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  26. vanessayoung

    I just love reading common sense articles like this. I find the “me, me ,me” trend of the birthzillas really annoying and such things are confronting to an older person such as myself. When you have had 2 kids (c-sections) and lived for a while you know there are so many more important and fascinating things about family life than how the children were delivered.
    And this trend for waiting for the placenta to deliver naturally is also disturbing. Isn’t the needle that allows fast delivery of the placenta actually to allow COMPLETE delivery and stopping us all dying from infections from retained placentas like our foremothers did? The problem is that we are so far removed, in time, from these medical issues we no longer see them as dangers. (watch me get howled down over that)
    Well said Mia (as usual).

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  27. Marijana

    Love you Mia for writing this post! SO true.

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  28. daughtersofmassdestruction

    I had a two point birth plan which I conveyed verbally to my midwives at every birth:
    1. if I ask for an epidural please arrange it immediately
    2. don’t tell me if I do a poo

    I think this covers every possible eventuality

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    • feistyangel

      I think I may borrow your birth plan for this pregnancy.

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    • missmadged

      The poo thing is putting me off having children to be quite honest. Pain I could handle, shitting myself in front of a room of people terrifies me.

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      • Anonymous

        Two vaginal births, one poo.
        I didn’t even realise until I felt the midwife quickly wipe it away.
        I promise it seems pretty insignicant at the time! :)

        What was more fun than that was my first birth, where I had an extremely full bladder and didn’t realise. When it came time to push I peed in a spectacular arc across the room. Husband was impressed. Midwife just held a towel over it until I was done.

        A birthing room looks like a crime scene when you’re done. A bit of poo is the least of your worries ;)

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        • katrinaevans

          OMG, I’m wetting myself laughing, this is awesome.

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        • Sophie

          That is so so so funny!!!

          I have absolutely no idea if I did either but I know that beforehand I was terrified of pooing in the delivery.

          All I can say to those who haven’t been before, it’s all cool, seriously, it’s the last thing you think about. The whole thing is just amazing :)

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        • Anon

          I remember, when I was giving birth, there was a small spot of blood on the ceiling. I concentrated so hard on that spot……

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      • Anonymous

        I was seriously constipated when I was delivering my son. So I pooed, a lot! And I can assure you that while pooing in front of a room full of people was one of my major concerns too, in the end it really didnt worry me. Vomiting all over the obstetrician, midwife and anaethetist as they were prepping me for a trial of forceps on the other hand…

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        • missmadged

          aggggh! This is not helping!

          I must say, when you are in hospital dignity erodes pretty quickly. I recently spent a week in hospital and ICU after a severe horse riding accident and projectile vomiting first all over my face in the CT because I had a neck brace on and then secondly all over the ER doctors … not my finest moments. Having my bra cut off too … not so great, but I was so high on pain meds by then I wasn’t too worried.

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          • Me again.

            Took me about 2 hours to nude up for my first birth. About an hour for my second.
            I’m due again in ten weeks. Husband predicts I’m going to walk into the hospital nude.
            I promise, when you are concentrating on getting the baby out safely, nudity, poo, wee, dripping waters and god knows what else all over the place – so not my concern.

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      • daughtersofmassdestruction

        don’t let the poo thing put you off having kids but it is definitely something that I noticed the two times I did poo during labour. I knew it wasn’t anything I could control but what I really didn’t want was any commentary. eg I was support person at a friend’s labour and at one point the midwife said encouragingly “ooh that’s a nice big poo!”. I really didn’t want that, I also instructed my husband to lie to me in perpetuity, no matter how much I told him that it was ok and that he could tell me the truth. he lies to this day, bless him!

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      • Mags

        Have you ever seen a baby coming out of a vagina? That shit is WEIRD. You also might get the head out but have to wait ages for the next contraction, so then you’ve got a head poking out of there which is even weirder! Poo on the other hand, totally fine :)

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    • eternally

      That’s brilliant!

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  29. It’ll be interesting to read the comments later :-)
    I don’t understand the need to discuss every aspect of birth with everyone. I discussed it with my husband and as needed the midwife or doctor. Even to this day I don’t give too many details when asked – How was your birth? My answer depends on who’s asking and why. A girlfriend who is trying to gain understanding of birth sure I’ll give some details, some random I don’t know – go mind your own business.
    I have 4 children and each experience was different, there were aspects that were unexpected. I’m glad my birth plan was – Go with the flow and see where the ride takes us as long as we are safe (the we being baby and me).

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    • Anonymous

      Ask for an enema.. I did.. Empty everything before baby comes out no chance of poop during delivery. So much more discreet and took my anxiety away!!

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  30. missmadged

    Women are crazy. I am twenty so no babies yet, but I really hope I’m not like that down the track. Also, I figure it’s not just about the baby either, it’s about the child, the PERSON who is going to influence the rest of your life. Why do women get so hung up on what they are and aren’t doing in that first few months, there is an entire life ahead of them to screw up and get things right, to enjoy and to hate … just let it happen because it’s going to whether you like it or not.

    Having bred horses I feel like I’m at an advantage I’d have to say. I delivered my first foal when I was eighteen, broke open his amniotic sac, cleared his nostrils and mouth, supported umbilicus, helped my mare deliver the placenta, examined it for any retention etc. etc. I know it’s different, but birth is not such a mystery and a big deal to me as I think it is to many women.

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  31. Z

    Heheh, I remember the midwife in my birthing class tell me to go home and write a plan.
    I went home and googled how:)
    I did not look at it once! No list was going to help me out once labour started!

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  32. A-Dubbs

    Love it, as always. Mia xx

    Now to scroll down and read the feedback ( rubs hands together gleefully)

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  33. viviehar

    Well said, Mia! The next thing that comes along is “my baby is [crawling] [sitting up] [cut first tooth] already!” People need to know having/raising children is not an Olympic sport. Individuality needs to be celebrated!

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    • feistyangel

      One of my friends is pregnant also and our children are due a couple of days apart. She has a slightly competitve nature and my husband worries that this will come out in a big way. It has already started in small ways, telling people about their pregnancy before we have announced ours. But on our end, we are determined that we not get into this. We know that all pregnancies, births, babies children are different and individual.

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  34. Kylie L

    The day after my son was born by emercency c-sec, after 10 hours in full labour and more trials of forceps and ventouse than I care to remember, the obs who delivered him came to my room and said “I just want you to know that if we hadn’t done a C-sec you both would have died.” (My son was posterior, large and never even ‘dropped’- he was just totally stuck at the top of the birth canal). I expresed my undying (literally) gratitude. She beamed and said “Oh, good. So many mothers are angry at us when we don’t let them deliver vaginally. One even wanted to sue us.”

    Nuts. It’s just nuts. That baby is now 12 and we are both alive and kicking. Surely that’s the ONLY thing that matters?

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  35. Laws for Clouds

    I had a birth plan and it did include instructions for my placenta. No needles for faster delivery, yes to cut the cord, no to cord banking, no to taking it home, yes for hospital disposal.

    Hmmn, five points, none of which involve eating or burying it.

    While I totally agree that the most important thing is the safe delivery of a new baby, I think you misunderstand the use of birth plans. In the throes of labour it can be hard to be clear. I had my child in different countries, with different doctors. Not all of us are lucky enough to be able to have the same team at all of our births. This dismissive attitude to birth plans does no one any favours.

    As for birthzillas? I’ve never met one, and women with newborn babies don’t count!

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    • Laws for Clouds

      I just wanted to add that the reason I was so specific about my placenta is that I didn’t want to discuss it, I knew I would be more interested in my new baby at that point!

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      • Kris

        Why no cord blood bank?

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        • Laws for Clouds

          Couldn’t afford it and the hospital didn’t collect it at that time.

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          • Kris2040

            Was there no option to just donate? I know some hospitals only do/did it on certain days. I had no desire to keep it (and pay the $$$$$$$$$ to do so) but I was happy to donate.

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    • Esther

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    • Emma

      I remember being asked, as I held my minutes old baby “what would you like to do with the placenta?”. I was thinking – please let’s not have this conversation right now, put the bloody thing in the bin!
      Second time around I was a bit more interested and hubby and I had a poke around and a good look at it, before once again telling them to chuck it.

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      • Laws for Clouds

        The midwife held it up and told me what a lovely looking placenta I had. Er, thanks? If only Lady Gaga had been around then, I would have known to make it into clothing…

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        • Mia

          My midwife said that too the first time! I have a photo of me studying it in a bowl.

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          • Katie 180

            No one asked me! Either time! Feeling left out… Haha

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        • archie

          My OB shook mine at me. I’m scarred for life!

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  36. ladybird

    I was a bit devastated about hearing at about 36 weeks that I would have to have a caesarean due to my baby being breech – but hey it’s about having a baby, safe and sound! I soon got over it and as it was planned CS I tried to focus on the contractions, pain and panic I wouldn’t have to experience (not that I know what I’m missing). Occasionally I feel a bit ripped off but hey, my little girl is nearly 4 and the best thing in my life! Who cares how she got here, we’re happy and healthy!

    What I did hate at the time were people telling me I should just give birth naturally anyway, who cares what my incredibly experienced obstetrician says, what would he know? Of course you can give birth to a breech baby naturally but OMG the risks – why would I even consider it. It comes down to (IMO) – this is about my baby, not me!

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    • katrinaevans

      Are you serious?? People actually said this to you? Unreal. I related a bit to your comment, because I had a last-minute emergency c-section, but rather than feel ripped off, I feel a bit like I cheated – like I wasn’t really one of “the club” because I didn’t give birth the real way.

      I told my doctor all along, no birth plan, I trust you and I’m in your hands. And on that day, I realised there’s a reason these people train for years and years and years. I’m so grateful she was there to save my little one and get her out safely.

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    • Lee

      I have a 5 week old & exact same birth experience as you. Yes I also feel cheated I did not experience waters breaking, labour and delivery “naturally”, and after 7 months planning in my head to embrace labour I guess that is normal to ‘grieve’ for a birth that didn’t eventuate. But my very loose plan also included to go with the flow. I would say the clinical nature of the c section was not at all a lovely experience however the staff were all amazing and I did feel safe, albeit quite afraid (my c section being my first major surgery experience). I am grateful for my healthy baby and my now almost recovered wound, but I do acknowledge that I feel like I missed the boat on labour, and by acknowledging that surely that is far healthier than ignoring those feelings?

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  37. Carin

    Thank GOD for Mia telling it like it is. I for one am sick of being judged for the way my daughter was born. We’re both alive and healthy and I didn’t kill my husband. End of story. It’s ridiculous & selfish to put birth before baby or before yourself. Just do it for crying out loud. Get excited about meeting your new bub. Not about the freakin placenta. Birth plans as long as the first testament are only going to leave you disappointed that u didn’t comply with 2:1:1, unless of course the most exciting thing about all this is the BABY. Mia, you’re right, you’re honest and you’re bloody refreshing! Thankyou.
    Xoxo
    Carin Hillman-Varma

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  38. nursee

    please don’t forget the midwives that work with the obstetricians. We are normally the ones copping the brunt of the ‘birthzillas’ demands.
    I do get a sense though that women are very focused on the birth and then haven’t done much research about the stuff that comes after that like how to breast feed.

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    • Mum of 2

      I love LOVED my midwives! Second time around I would have been quite happy if the OB was a bit late and the midwives handled the whole birth (as it was he arrived in time to catch the baby, but up till then the whole thing had been managed by my wonderful midwives and they were just great!). I had both my bubs in a private hospital. So let me lead the cheer for wonderful midwives! :-)

      What I found quite amusing was the stuff that I took to the hospital in my ‘labour bag’. Have to say I don’t think I used any of it! :-) I do remember having a picture that I had planned to blu-tac to the wall to give me something to focus on if I needed it, but I went internal rather than external. I had tennis balls for massaging – didn’t use those. I had swimmers for my hubby in case he was going to come into the shower etc with me – didn’t use those either. I think the snacks may have gotten used by hubby but the rest I didn’t use (I can’t remember what else I brought). I had a birth plan but I don’t remember it being highly detailed, and probably the most important thing the midwives wanted to know was how I felt about epidurals etc – mostly because if I started asking for it they wanted to know if they should immediately do that or give me other options (it’s pretty hard to think clearly in labour!). I actually think more important than a birth plan was just making sure your labour support person (hubby, Mum, whomever you have chosen) knows what you want. Then when you are being asked questions mid contraction they can communicate for you!

      I had great birth experiences, but waaaay more importantly I have two beautiful kids as a result.

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      • Emma

        My second birth was just myself, hubby and the midwife in the hospital room. She left really quickly afterwards too and left us alone with our baby for about an hour. It was awesome. Nothing but HUGE respect for midwives!

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    • Faybian

      Research suggests that post natal education during the ante natal period is somewhat wasted as the birth looms very large on the prospective mothers mind. Of course the problem then is trying to get a group of tired, emotional, hormonal women in a room in the hospital to chat about breastfeeding, or making sure there are enough L/Cs or midwives in postnatal to give good support to breastfeeding mothers. Not to mention the fondness for pushing mothers, er sorry encouraging them to discharge early after they’ve had their babies. Once a day visits sometimes just don’t cut if for support. Then there’s the fact that there’s still an astonishing amount of people who don’t know of child health..
      Sorry for the rant….

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  39. Natasha

    I would have popped in some earplugs & grabbed the first champagne. Cannot listen to any dribble coming from the mouth of a birthzilla.

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  41. LLou

    Amen, Sister! When i had my first child both of us were lucky to survive. Had a friend’s wife tell me she felt like such a failure for having an emergency Caesarian!!! She has MS and they literally had 5 minutes to deliver her baby as the clotting factor in her blood was falling (this is an anecdotal summary of the medical issues) and she would have bled to death!! Women guilting themselves into believing they are failures because of some wide-eyed fantasy of giving birth on a cloud in Never Never Land. Or the Smug Brigade making you feel like you aren’t a ‘real’ woman unless you’ve had a drug free vaginal delivery with rainforest music playing in the background!!

    My birth plan was in my head and consisted of 7 words… Get the baby out safe & healthy.

    Ok … Rant over!

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    • Rhi

      Thank you both Mia and LLou! You girls have both summed it up perfectly for me.
      I’m due (with our first!) in August and lots of people are asking about our birth plan… I just tell them ‘Baby – out! Don’t care so long as it’s safe and alive!’ Surely people who have done all the training know best? But admittedly to each their own…
      Incidently, I asked my hubby if he was going to cut the cord and he looked at me like I was an idiot and said, ‘when the doctor needs a house built, they can come to me – otherwise they can do the medical stuff!’ He’s so adorable! :)

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      • Rachel

        Well I hope it all goes well for you. On the day however, I highly doubt you’ll be saying ‘do whatever’. Good luck and congratulations!

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  42. Becnherboys

    Crikey! I had a birth plan. It went like this – go to hospital, have a baby, enjoy the private room, prepared meals and call button as long as possible then take our baby home where he will happily sleep and eat. My plan went so well I did it 3 times! Oh course none of them were keen observers of the sleep and eat part of the plan…

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    • Serena

      Oh me too!! I think I’d still be in hospital if I could!!

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