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My editor fixed me with her pitiless eyes and said: “You’re not going to write columns just about pregnancy now, are you?”

My colleague took one look at my belly and exclaimed, “… but you’re huge!”.

The woman at the maternity shop shrieked, “20 weeks? You’ve got nothing there – you’re tiny!”

The man I just met rolled his eyes at my declaration of health and good feeling and snapped, “Well, you might be feeling great now, but just you talk to me in six months’ time.”

I am not the first person to observe this. I will clearly not be the last. But my word, everyone has an opinion on this mysterious and wonderful state of expectation, don’t they? And aren’t they all too happy to share it?

Because the sentiments contained therein are so upsetting, I will not share in detail with you the letter, written in elegant old-school copperplate, that I opened at my desk one cold and dark morning. It was from an elderly country woman with much advice about what was almost certainly about to go imminently, tragically wrong for me. I’m sure it was well meaning. I wish she had not written it – to me, or to anyone.

I have any number of people telling me about the work, work, work, work that this new adventure will entail. Do they think I imagine I’m getting a cake delivered? One that I will languidly and peacefully consume over the period of a year? At the risk of drawing similar fire to that endured by the most unfairly attacked Jacinta Tynan when she exulted at the happy work that having a baby was, I think I can say that I’m likely to love the focus of this work a little more than I did, say, the Sharpies for whom I once flipped burgers at the Box Hill bowling alley cafeteria. There is work, and there is work, dear friends.

There’s something interesting going on here. It’s not that people aren’t overjoyed at the news: they really are, and their pleasure only increases my already dizzying joy to new heights. But just as any of life’s great turning points – completion of school, relationships, new home, new job – involve some loss as well the prospect of untold gain, anxiety bursts through the celebration and fear insists on having its voice heard.

I don’t think many of my inquisitors know they are speaking fearfully, or from fear. Many, I’m sure, are actually talking from hard-won experience. But poet John O’Brien’s Hanrahan is a persistent fellow, and just as the rains might come and bring a wonderful spring, there’s always the prospect that we could still all be “rooned”. They want you to know this, to be careful, and to be prepared.

I think loss, and the mostly undiscussed nature of that loss, is at the heart of this fear. I know one woman who, having been pregnant at her wedding with her first child, has spoken to me of literally yearning for her husband, and for the time they never got to spend together, just they two, before this small explosion of activity burst into their life. Others seem to unknowingly mourn an intangible loss of self; others a loss of time, or quiet, or each other. When they darkly warn of dark times to come I suspect they are talking of a shadow that once crept over them, and perhaps clouds their life still.

After years of wanting so many things and people and circumstances to remain exactly as they are, it has taken me years to understand that life is actually change; that stasis is death; that change is loss and gain all at the same time. It’s almost a relief to let go and to see that life will unfold and change before you, like the unspooling of a celluloid film, and that letting it go brings a peace of its own. Bring on the change: let the chaos begin.

This post first appeared in The Weekly Review and has been republished with permission from the author

Virginia Trioli is the presenter of ABC News Breakfast on ABC1 and ABC News 24, 6-9am weekdays. She has an established reputation as a radio host, television presenter, news reporter, features writer and columnist. You can and should visit her blog here .

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  1. Alissa

    I’ve been in your position and it was really hard, I just wanted people to shut the hell up. My every move was watched, every bit of food I put into my mouth was critisised even though I was so cautious about EVERYTHING!

    Truth is, people do try to warn you of what is about to come because you really don’t know if it is your first what you’re in for. You can have an idea in your head but all I said once my son was born is “why didn’t people tell me/ warn me / prepare me” many responses were ” you never listened, you blocked out anything negative sounding, you just wanted people to be happy smile and say congrats” now, I wish I had of sat down with a mother and said “give it to me straight” maybe I wouldn’t have had such a hard time adjusting to motherhood

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  2. annaspanna

    Just chatting about you with my 91 yr old mother as we watched ’24′ Breakfast. She thinks it’s fantastic that you are having your first baby! Hoping that you and baby are healthy and well. My niece has chosen to go with new cloth nappies too.

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  3. LeeLoo

    I found when I was pregnant that everyone, (men included strangely enough…) wanted to tell me (scare me) with how terribly painful and horrific childbirth is. Having had a baby four months ago I can tell you, yes it was painful, yes you do forget how painful and yes it was totally worth it. Would I do it all again? Definitely!!

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  4. popcorn

    I am pregnant for the first time and overall, comments have been generally positive. I have been getting the usual “you’re not very big” and then “oh, you’re starting to pop out now” comments, but those don’t bother me either way and I know no one means anything by it.

    The two instances where I have been a little bothered by comments are:

    - comments on my being paranoid by not deviating from the FSA safe foods list during pregnancy. I won’t eat salads or sandwiches unless I make them myself and I have been steering away from soft serve ice cream, deli meats and other foods like cooked chickens from food courts or even the supermarket. One person commented on me not eating any soft cheese at a recent work drinks and told me it was ok to eat – I know most if not all Australian cheeses are pasteurised but if it’s recommended not to eat it during pregnancy, I’d rather be safe than sorry. I don’t feel like I’m terribly inconvenienced or missing out on anything so why do people need to comment and say I’m being paranoid? It’s a personal choice. I had a scare at the start of my pregnancy and I’m not about to tell people about that very personal experience just to get them to be quiet, but I do wish they would keep comments about my food choices to themselves.

    - use of cloth nappies. Being my first pregnancy, although I expect it will be hard work once the baby is born I still have the rose-coloured glass view that I will try using modern cloth nappies to save money and I hate the thought of throwing so many disposables into landfill. Most of the comments have been negative – e.g “they don’t work”, “you’ll be using disposables the whole time after a couple of weeks of trying it” etc. And I think most of these comments come from parents who have never tried modern cloth nappies. Sure, it is a little more work (throw the nappies in the wash every second day and hang them up – but no soaking or folding) but I feel like people are setting me up to fail on using MCNs before I’ve even tried it. I will probably use MCNs during the day at home and maybe use disposables when travelling or if out during the day and at night (I’ve heard you either need thicker cloth nappies or a disposable for night-times), but it could still save us a lot of money and reduce our environmental footprint.

    As mentioned, the comments from people around me have been positive and enthusiastic on the whole, but the above are my two bug bears!

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    • Kris2040

      Hey popcorn – I don’t really eat many of the foods on the verboten list, so it wasn’t too big a drama for me to avoid them, I didn’t have people hassle me either way though.

      I use a mix of MCNs and disposables exactly the way you have said. They’re really not hard work. It’s not as if we have to stand at a mangle to do the washing in boiling water in coppers!

      I used disposables for the first couple of months and finally got around to MCNs because I didn’t know anyone who had used them, was interested and didn’t know how to go about getting them or what types were good etc. We had a girl from the council’s green team come to our mothers’ group to do a presso on them, and then I took K to the markets where the local nappy lady had a stall and said “Right, keen to use them, have no idea about them, this is who they’re for”. Most places that sell MCNs will do a trial pack up of different styles, then you can get whichever ones you like and suit you best. I just sold the ones I didn’t like to a friend, actually.
      Even with the initial 3 trial pack I had the rubbish was really noticeably smaller. I have found the Coles brand nappies which are $10 for a packet (amount changes depending on size) fantastic, and coupled with the MCNs, I use one $10 pack a fortnight, unless she’s got a rash happening, in which case I do tend to use the disposables a bit more. But these disposables are every bit as good as Huggies and cost a LOT less!

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    • LeeLoo

      I was exactly the same when I was pregnant, didn’t eat soft cheeses, mayonnaise, rare meat, deli meats, and thing cooked and eaten cold, predatory fish and the list goes on and on. I must admit I had the odd you’re paranoid bit and you know what its none of their business. I also think nine months out of your whole life isn’t much to give up a couple of food items, you are giving your baby the best start at life and that can’t possibly be a bad thing. As far as the modern cloth nappies, I live in a unit with nowhere to hang them to dry so it isn’t possible for me, however I might have had a go if I had a backyard and a washing line. I have a four month old baby and the unsolicited advice and “helpful” anecdotes and comments don’t stop, you just have to do what is right for you and the hell with everyone else. Good luck :)

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  5. Nia Coco

    Great article Virginia.

    I too experienced this negativity with my first pregnancy and was astounded by it.

    With my second pregnancy people had stopped doing it – perhaps as by now I had a toddler with me, so there was not the same power dynamic of the expecting person powerless to hear the little nasty little gems about what might be in store for them!

    I began to surmise that there might an element of the ‘wanting to be validated’ by the person who has been through it – as to how difficult parenthood was for them. There is also an inherent power dynamic here of the person with the experience, and the person who has not – and unfortunately I think people get a bit revved up by this (?).

    I was so upset by the constant negativity that I made it a policy that I would never do this to a pregnant woman. I stuck to my promise and it was interesting because sometimes I have had to bite my tongue. Such as hearing my first time pregnant friends complain about being tired, or how they were going to only cook organic.. and I felt like saying ‘You wait!’ ! ;)

    Best of luck Virginia, may you have a wonderful rest of your pregnancy and a fabulous babydom!

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  6. Angel

    I’m not a mother and at 33 and single I don’t expect to be. But if I am, it would be nice to think that if I was pregnant people would show interest and strike up nice conversations with me, instead of ignoring me for fear of offending me. I’m getting my fill of loneliness as a single city chick thank you.

    Oh, and congratulations Virginia! When I heard this news it made me so happy for this woman. She is smart, educated, well-off and now she will be a mother too, and not have to struggle hard to give her child everything that s/he needs. Some people can’t cope with that without being negative.

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    • Claire

      Hi Angel

      I felt a little sad when I read your opening line ‘I’m not a mother and at 33 and single I don’t expect to be’

      At 33… sheesh! Don’t give up hopes of motherhood just now if that is what you want for your future!

      I am 32 and single – right now – and even though sometimes I feel a little cynical and lonely, I don’t assume (or wish to) that it will be like that forever. I try to remain positive and open minded.

      I hope that you find love – either through partner, a child or both. Right now. my adopted dog is doing it for me :)

      Angel, keep your dreams alive, and know that ‘tomorrow’s a mystery’ ! * virtual hug * x

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      • Angel

        Thanks Claire =)
        Your comment really cheered me up!
        With a great mind-set like that, your future will be awesome.
        *BIG hug back*

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  7. Urban Fringe

    I loved reading this piece in the Weekly Review. We never really know what to anticipate in life – and that is the wonderful thing about pregnancy and having children – I don’t think there is one life-defining moment of monumental change (although giving birth comes pretty close!) but a thousand small shifts where we feel our existential axis beginning to shift. I think having children is a wonderful adventure and I wish you all the best Virginia. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

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  8. Sqoo

    Look people, most folks are just making conversation although I do agree that a lot of the conversation focuses on the negative. I remember running into a friend at the supermarket (where else) who already had three young children and her telling me she was expecting again. My response was ‘oh you lucky thing. Four times the love’. She was so surprised and said that I was the only person who had said anything positive!

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  9. Anonymous

    Of course a lot of these comments can be annoying and intrusive. Most of them should just be ignored and discarded. Listen to your friends and family only, not strangers with however well meaning advice. However the negatives will still be there and are really the only effective counter to the ridiculously commercialised view of pregnancy and motherhood – depicted in countless commercials for anything baby related. Take a good look at the next nappy commercial you see – and then recall it when you are changing the fifth or sixth dirty nappy for the day. There is the wonderful reality of pregnancy, motherhood and babies and the grinding reality of day to day pregnancy over summer, relentless mothering…… I could go on, but Virginia seems to have heard it all already.
    Congratulations on your pregnancy though!!

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  10. KP

    I will apologise before I write this as I know it will come across as really venty/grumpy!
    I am pregnant with my 1st baby and have just under 3 weeks to go, yeah yeah it could come on xmas eve/xmas day/ boxing day/nye, what a terrible time to have a baby, it’s is so hot in December, how will you cope with the heat, baby won’t feel special having a birthday so close to Christmas or NY etc etc, have heard it all lots of times.
    Was at a tupperware party the other day and was the only one without children. I am a big scardy cat and would really like to have an epidural, sure I might change my mind when I am in labour, but atm that’s what I would like. Then got all the comments about not having an epidural, I can push through the pain, I can feel proud that I gave birth without pain relief (?), I will feel so much more connected to bub, my labour will be shorter etc, then it was all the comments about pro breastfeeding which is what I plan to try. If it doesn’t work for me then I will bottle feed. Mum couldn’t BF either me or my brother, my aunties and nana couldn’t breastfeed their children either, so I will give it a go. Then all the comments started about using cloth nappies aghrrr. I went home feeling guilty and upset about my choices and I haven’t even given birth.
    I know this has been said a million times before but I don’t understand why women, from my experiences it’s only women, are so judgy towards other women’s choices, why can’t people just accept that people will do things their way, which is right for them. Sorry rant/vent over! :)

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    • eternally

      How wonderful that you are going to have a baby soon, so exciting!
      I’m sure it will be very loved & special.
      Remember you are not competing in the pregnancy Olympics; if you have a healthy baby & mum at the end of the day everyone’s a winner!
      I always thought I’d have an epidural, but the midwife was busy, so it took ages to move from bath, to gas, to a shot of pethidine, so by that time it was time to push! Also, my labour was relatively short & easy. So I could boast about it, but that would be silly!
      All the best.

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    • Lana

      Not ranty at all. I would try and remember that the birth of your baby is one day in your life – it neither defines you nor your baby. It’s like the wedding but not the marriage. It doesn’t make you a better mother, it doesn’t change the bond however you give birth to that baby. Just drown out that noise with happy thoughts about your baby and enjoy the rest of your pregnancy and the many many many years of joy you will have from your child

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    • Elle

      there is no extra pride in delivering without pain relief. I gave birth to my son without any pain relief and it was a quick and – relatively – easy labour. My daughter was a different kettle of fish altogether and after12 hours of labour I had an epidural, best thing I could have done – I’m not sure she would have come out otherwise!! So do what’s right for you at the time, I guarantee you’ll be proud of yourself no matter what because it is an awesome achievement. Good Luck :)

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    • soccer girl

      I have an 18 month old, so am relatively new to the game, but agree, there are many in the world who are competing in the mummy olympics, and can’t wait to knock you down at the knees to justify their own pious choices! (in the birth olympics, i came limping in last, induced for days, ending with a c-sec, the ‘lowest level of emergency c-sec there is’ with a roll of the eyes from the midwives, so it starts from day dot from supposed health professionals! and was unable to BF, after the trauma of days of induction, and a surgical process, no surprises that the poor little pair never worked! :P you can imagine the previous mentioned supposed professionals with that kettle of fish! they were ready to report me to the mummy judgement police i’m sure!)

      my advice (that i nicked off a mate on pinterest! but i love it!):

      Don’t let comparison steal your joy!

      thats it. best mummy advice ever! :)

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  11. Indeed

    Virginia I have encountered you a more than a few times in my professional career over the years, and once had the pleasure of sitting in a lunch at Fairfax watching you wrangle a room full of politicians and businessmen with the most extraordinary gravitasse and ease. Envious. A little.

    I remebered that lunch when I read this post as I was just pregnant at the time and deadling with the old kids/career angst. I looked at you and thought you were the type that wouldnt have kids. You were career woman extraordinare.

    So nothing made me happier for you than reading this article. I hope you love motherhood as much as you love pregnancy. And then I hope you rush back to work and the next time some young woman at the beginning of her career encounters you in full flight in one of those situations again that she is able to go- oh wow- there’s Virginia Trioli- uber career woman and mother.

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  12. jennafelicity

    “Change is loss and gain all at the same time.” < Fantastic line.

    I’ve never been pregnant so won’t comment on the article’s content, but I do know that I thought it was beautifully written and I really enjoyed reading it.

    All the best with your pregnancy Virginia.

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  13. MissT

    Reading through some of these makes me so glad I rarely comment on people’s pregnancy, apart from “Congratulations!” when they tell me.

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  14. Susan As Well

    You can never tell anyone what will or won’t change in their life during pregnancy or when the baby is born.

    It’s their life, their pregnancy, their baby, their feelings, their adjustment, their disappointment and their joy.

    Sometimes, I have said “lot of changes for you up ahead huh?” if I know them well. Otherwise, it’s congratulations, wishing you the best, if you want a hand with anything yell out. And move on…

    Congratulations Virginia, all the best, if you want a hand with anything … erm … write another one of your fabulous articles on MM so well all know how you are :)

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  15. missamoo

    I think it is everything not just pregnancy. Last year i went to Europe in January, i was so excited to be able to see my best friend and several other close friends. But everyone just HAD to remind me that it wold be winter. I even had people talk over my response of “well i have a warm coat” with their own comments of ” I would NEVER go in winter”. I hated it so much that i keep trying to remind myself to not add negative crap to anyone’s news or complaints i simply smile and hope i say something not too ridiculous or sappy

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    • MissT

      You’re so right. It’s EVERYTHING.

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    • aleous

      I hear you…. that happened to me too missamoo! We had a holiday to Tasmania in June this year and before we left all anyone could say was how cold it would be and how crazy we were to go in winter. It almost seemed like people thought we were idiots and that we didn’t realise it would be cold. I got sick of explaining that, yes we were packing for the weather and would be taking long-johns, lots of layers and beanies etc. We ended up having the best holiday – Tassie is so beautiful!

      And when you organise a trip to Cairns in summer people will tell you how darn hot it’s going to be.

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    • Tara

      I’m experiencing the same, Missamoo – I’m going to Europe at the end of this month and so many people have commented something along the lines of ‘you do know you’re going in winter, right? Are you crazy?!’… yes, I am aware of the fact that it might be a bit chilly, but it doesn’t mean that I’m any less excited!! Some people really need to stop focusing on the negatives…

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      • meg

        it IS everything. We recently bought a dog and the comments from our friends were ridiculously negative as if we didn’t know what we were getting ourselves into! I think these types of comments really just borne out of jealousy.

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  16. WillaWay

    I know the comments can get tiresome, but I feel like we should just get over these comments when we’re pregnant or have just had babies – it’s about babies, new life, of course everyone’s got something to say and wants to say it, it’s amazing to witness, can be sad when you’ve done it and won’t be doing it again, sad if you haven’t been able to do it, full of all sorts of ambivalences and wondrousness. And the ambivalence of what’s lost vs what’s gained is just part of that. freedom is both wanted and not wanted. Just as connections and ties are both wanted and not wanted. You’re a walking symbol, an embodiment. Take it like that, not personally.

    Be a bit bigger about it. Get over it. Nest with your closest and dearest and let people be part of it. I think there’s a lot of surrendering to natural forces and the inevitability of connection when you get down to the business of having babies, and maybe we shouldn’t fight that as much as we do.

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  17. my2cents

    I think there are some of us who thought pregnancy and motherhood would be this ultimately fulfilling, endlessly happy and rewarding experience. Then the baby comes and it all falls apart. And we wish someone had told us it isn’t all a bed of roses. So we go and “warn” other pregnant women about some of the “truths” of motherhood.

    I think all the questions and advice come from a good place. I never minded others touching my belly, though it rarely happened, because I knew they were just fascinated or curious or reminiscing. I never minded the advice because I wanted to know everything I could. But really, we should all probably keep our months shut (unless asked), smile and say “Congratulations!”

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    • Pseudo

      I get that. I really do. I have met lots of women who were genuinely shocked about how bloody hard motherhood is – some of them really thought it would be a bit like a Huggies ad, with some extra poo thrown in.

      But there are others – like me – who, despite desperately wanting a baby, were really, really terrified about it. I spent my pregnancy quite anxious, worrying about being a ‘good mum’, about how I would cope with no sleep, would I know what to do if my baby was sick… The list went on and on. Several times, my amazing midwife just sat on my couch with me and hugged me while I stressed and cried a bit!

      For me, hearing ‘warnings’, no matter how well-meaning, was really challenging. Every little comment seemed to worry me. Partially my personality, partly pregnancy hormones.

      As it turned out, being a mother (of a toddler, another on the way soon hopefully!) HAS so far been an ‘Ultimately fulfilling, endlessly happy and rewarding experience’!

      Sure there are some tough days, but never for a SECOND would I prefer to go back to work or take back my old life or anything. I wish more people had told me that it would be wonderful – perhaps I would have chilled out more when I was pregnant!!!

      So I try and tell every pregnant woman I know how breathtakingly wonderful motherhood is. To hopefully offset some of the negative comments…

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  18. Shannon

    I’ve never really noticed the big/small belly thing (no-one in my immediate family/friends have been pregnant so I’ve never really had any perception of what women “should” look like at any given stage of pregnancy), but I do tend to find pregnant women incredibly beautiful, just by virtue of the fact they’re carrying a little life inside them.

    You feel like shit/feel like you look like shit? I guarantee I think you look amazing – hair not brushed and all. And not even in a creepy way, just in a I’m-really-clucky way :P

    But I’d never say anything to a stranger, in case it sounded creepy or like I’m lying. Whenever a pregnant customer says, “Oh, I feel disgusting I haven’t put makeup on and I feel so bloated” I just want to say “SHUSH you look beautiful!!” but then it’ll seem like I’m buttering them up for a sale :(

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    • MissT

      Just say it. I’m sure they’d like to hear it.

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  19. missneriss

    I’m getting tired of people telling me I don’t look pregnant enough. Bloody hell, I feel pregnant enough! I can’t sleep, my back hurts, I’m irritable (can you tell), surely that’s enough!

    I’m also tired of people sharing little bits of wisdom about how little sleep I’m going to have, how the crying is all part of it etc etc. Like, hello Captain Obvious! Do you think I’ve never seen a child before and expect that it’s going to be business as usual once she gets here?

    I saw a t-shirt the other day that I’m thinking of buying which said: I may be huge, but at least I don’t say stupid shit to pregnant women.

    Feeling a bit stabby today, sorry.

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    • Kris2040

      8 months on I still get really frustrated with comments like that. Oh really? I had no idea babies get into stuff and pull things down and wake up at night.

      I really don’t like the “Oh she’s going to be a handful!” comments because KDot is really inquisitive and sociable. What? It’s a bad thing that she’s engaged and engaging and interested in stuff?

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  20. Dee of Adelaide

    Context is as always king.

    I have complicated pregnancies. They are miserable and in 26 days time I never have to do it again and I could not be happier about it.

    What I find astonishing is comments in a professional context. This time around I’ve had people try and touch me (they don’t get far), ask how I will deliver, say they heard I’d been in hospital and what was it for etc. I would never ask anyone why they’d been in hospital normally. It’s PRIVATE and I’m at WORK. Just because its sticking out half a foot in front of me doesn’t give you the liberty to discuss it with me. I don’t talk about Red Rocket at work, I’m just one of those people for whom work is about work only and I can’t imagine what vibe I give off that makes people think its okay!

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    • Sally

      crabby much?

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    • B&boys

      Totally get what you are saying…. I just had my third and final baby 4 months ago and I still wake most nights in a cold sweat having nightmares that I am pregnant (and my pregnancy related problems/risks are recurring). Truly a stressful and horrible time.
      Anyway, it is friday so now only 25 days for you! Good luck :)

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    • Lottie

      Totally get where you are coming from Dee of Adelaide

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  21. protecting my identity

    I actually liked the “negative” comments, as I mostly had positive one. I had a difficult pregnancy and really struggled with it. So i loved it when other mums complained as I felt less alone.

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    • Charlie's Mama

      I agree…. women reminiscing on the difficult times they had had with their first pregnancies/babies actually opened the door for me to let go of my pains/anxiety/fears. I’ve never taken any of those comments in a negative way, we all know that having a baby is far more than just bliss and i would think that it is better to be aware of the things that can go wrong so that we can appreciate the things that go right.

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  22. NewMum

    I loved every second of being pregnant. I used to laugh (to myself) when one particular lady from work would tell me how huge I was only to tell me a week later that I was tiny.

    The thing that has bugged me since I’ve had our beautiful daughter is, you can never do anything right. I’ve heard people be told off for choosing to bottle feed and not breastfeed. I on the other hand chose to bf my baby – our bub is 5 months old and still is not sleeping through the night. Sometimes I’m up every 2 hours. People then feel its their right to tell me to put her on the bottle. After speaking with a GP, a nurse and a close relative who had twins with similar sleep issues I’ve come to the conclusion that my daughter that some kids won’t sleep through with a bottle or with breastfeeding. They will do it when they are good and ready.

    In the meantime i will continue on being sleep deprived but it’s so worth it for that lovely smile that she only gives to mummy in the morning. Makes my world complete.

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    • Brittany

      Have herd of sleep schools like karatane. They worked miracles for my son. He did the same. Did not sleep woke up every 2-3 hours wanting to be fed ect. He was 7 and 1/2 months old. You stay there for 5 days and while there they teach you and support you through the process. And by the end of the week my son wasn’t perfectly sleeping but more then he ever did before and I kept going at home and by 3 week he slept through the night. Don’t know if this helps or not. He was bottle fed doesn’t make a difference.

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      • NewMum

        Thanks Brittany! Im glad you were able to get sone changes with your babys sleep. I have spent a day at a local facility & they feel that my daughter gets a bit of separation anxiety. So won’t make any difference if she is on the bottle or not. Am putting my name down for a few nights at another facility when a spot becomes available.

        Sleeping is over rated anyway!

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        • Brittany

          Do you have a baby health clinic in your area?thats how I got in. Public system and all.maybe a month is all I had to wait. They also help with feeding,learning to play with your baby. And while your there you can get a massage. There are also phycologist there if neasary. But it’s great just haveing 24hr help.everything like cooking and cleaning are done for you do you can just do what your there for. It is especially help full if you don’t have a partner/they work to much to be able to help through the night as my partner did. http://www.karitane.com.au

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          • Kris2040

            I’ve done that – my local Baby health clinic runs “Family Care Cottage” sessions, where you book in, and you’re there for a fair amount of time, and they observe you feeding and bub sleeping and stuff, and show you the signs they’re tired and what to do.
            I don’t worry about the night feeds (I think they’ve eased off generally) but I was having a bit of trouble with feeding and falling asleep on the boob, then not going into her bed without waking up and freaking out. It was just little changes that we needed to make to a few things and it helped enormously. They were wonderful.

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  23. Indigoflutter

    During my pregnancy I was subjected to it all, comments and bump touchers. When I was about to snap the arms of the next bitty who even tried lay a hand on me my friend wisely said “their comments are about them not you” and she was right

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  24. Rabbitsal

    I’m currently pregnant with my 2nd child after having returned to work 6 months ago from maternity leave & I’m always getting “Oh, I bet work’s unimpressed’…well, quite frankly I don’t really care if they are, I’m not going to put off expanding my family just to keep my work happy.

    The whole time with my 1st it was always ‘oh, you’re so small’ now it’s ‘my god, you’re huge’…. errr, thanks for the observation!

    Plus I get: ‘You had it so easy the 1st time, this time’s going to be a nightmare’ Sure – it was easy, a piece of cake…. yeah, right! Oh, and thanks for the encouragement & optimism!

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    • KJ

      I had the same thing (you had it easy first time, you won’t get so lucky again) and guess what.. They were wrong. Although we are stopping at two. Not sure we’d get this lucky three times!

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    • Anonymous

      yep had exactly the same thing with our first who was a breeze, being told by my mother in law that “well you wont be so lucky next time”, oh ok thanks for that.
      Got a full run down on more than one occasion of how wonderful my husband was (first born) and how much of a nightmare his brother was (2nd born) and of course it will be the same for me!! It’s usually born from THEIR experiences and to feel better and think that they weren’t just having a bad experience that it just has to happen to everyone else.

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  25. femme

    If you have a person living in your uterus, you’re going to look fairly enormous.
    I couldn’t be bothered to be offended over those sorts of comments.

    Thank Christ no weird strangers ever tried to touch my bump- I don’t know what I’d have done. Snapped their wrists? !

    The one thing that pissed me off slightly was towards the end of my pregnancies when people would say “I bet you can’t wait to get it out of you!”
    Despite the heinous, crippling sciatica I had with number two, I never “wanted them out”. I’m their mum, I’m meant to nurture them in utero, until they want to come out. Weird thing to say people!

    I’m usually pretty good at ignoring the negative crap people come out with.

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  26. Mia

    After I had my first baby I realised that the people who have the worst experiences often shout the loudest. And fair enough – it’s important that those who have done or are doing it tough are heard and helped.

    But there does seem very little room in the conversation we have about parenting to express the good stuff – the joy, the way your heart skips a beat sometimes when you see your child, the way your eyes can actually physically ache to catch sight of them at the end of the day, the smells, the sounds, the fact that it is such a privilege to be a parent.
    There’s room for honesty and admitting it’s not all rainbows and unicorns but it shouldn’t be at the expense of the good stuff also getting an airing.

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    • oliveblanche

      That’s beautiful Mia!

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    • dkmum

      I’ve actually made of point of yelling as loud as possible – figuratively speaking – about my wonderful pregnancy and delivery. I’ve been trying to let everyone know that it can just be really easy and comfortable. As we’ve discussed so often, expecting mums have enough to worry about, let alone delivery, so let’s get some of the good stories out there.

      Angst is fear of fear itself…

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      • Nadia

        I love this comment, Dkmum.

        I’ve found it hard to share my story without looking like a total bragger.

        Seems people want to hear the good, just don’t make it *too* good it seems. ;)

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    • Kris2040

      I don’t have a problem with people talking about their negative experiences, but I think sometimes there can be talking about your experience and being hung up and bitter about it.
      And I agree, I think you should be able to talk about the positives as well, and still don’t understand the vitriol that Jacinta Tynan copped here for her writing on the subject. Being happy and talking about it isn’t smug, it’s talking about how you feel. Why is your experience any more important because it isn’t hers?

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  27. MikeyMike

    I’m wondering if Virginia Trioli is getting these reactions from people because she is expecting her first baby at 47, with all the added risks that go with it. She seems very sensible & smart, so I’m sure everything is under control.

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    • rainbow

      wow i didn’t realise she was 47. a real miracle baby then.

      good on her

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  28. Jess

    People tell you it’s going to be bad because it’s human nature to try and make other people feel bad about something. Having a baby (the first year in my case) is extremely tiring and overwhelming. But then it gets better and you selectively forget about it and only remember the nice things.

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    • Finn

      I don’t agree. Women are only starting to share a lot of the reality of childbirth and the pressure, exhaustion, stress, fear, separation etc that comes once the baby is born. I often think ‘why didn’t anyone tell me that’ as I’m experiencing some previously unknown motherhood hardship. So with my friends I try to be realistic about the incredibly rewarding parts of motherhood but also the very difficult parts.

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  29. katehunter

    We were at a party when I was v pregnant and a blokey bloke we know shook Jim’s hand and said, ‘Geez, mate, you pumped her up a bit hard.’ Nice :-)

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    • Mia

      My tea just came out of my nose……

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      • Sarah

        Mia – I love when you comment this time of night because I feel like I must not be some dork online (in front of Grand Designs) instead of doing something more worthy.

        (yes, I’m kind of stalking you)

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        • KJ

          Oh my, I just had exactly the same thought Sarah.. Right down to and including the grand designs bit!

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  30. Brittany

    So true. The number of people that felt the need to comment on the size of my belly and then the size of my son were staggering.yes my belly was huge. But it’s almost normal to have a 4kg baby. Come on even Marander Kerr did. I hated the “oh are you having twins comment” “wow he is a big boy”. Hello he is a boy he is meant to be bigger then a girl. But I loved the good advice. And now being a mother of a 15 month old,I find myself talking to soon to be mums and dads.

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    • Fi

      Sorry, Marander? Really?

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    • Em

      Boy babies are MEANT to be bigger than girl babies? That doesn’t sound right…

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  31. Kathy

    Not pregnant and never have been so maybe that’s why this perplexes me but for the life of me I do not understand why pregnant women get so offended with comments about their size in the form of “you’re huge!” or “looks like you’ll be popping soon!” I’m not in the habit of saying this but my lord they are referring to your BELLY! they aren’t saying “hey fatty boomba eat less that can’t be all baby” you are carrying a human person inside! Of course your belly probably gets huge!! Saying you look almost due is just someone trying to make a guess because they think it looks that way there’s no judgement if you say “actually I’m only 5 months” it’s just curiosity and human nature for people to strike up conversations and try to have something to relate to people! So many times on this site hearing what offends mums/pregnant people makes me scared to speak to one! Well meaning harmless comments are taken in the wrong way so often!

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    • Kathy

      But I do imagine comments such as “you don’t know what you’re in for”, “hardest thing ever” etc would be incredibly tiring to hear!

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      • Sarah

        But it IS the hardest thing ever!

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        • Kathy

          I absolutely believe that is the case but it doesn’t help to have everyone tell you!

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    • Snap!!

      Totally get where you are coming from Kathy. Unfortunately for me my baby was “small for dates”, & my doctor was worried about his growth. So every time I was told how tiny my belly was, was just a reminder of my complication & made me worry even more! Pleased to say he is a healthy 10 yo now. I would have loved someone to tell me how big my belly was, that’s a compliment!

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      • Aero27holidays

        I can understand what you are saying but when you are on the other side of the coin and you are constantly told how enormous you are – even if they are only talking about your baby bump – well it just becomes too much when you are overtired and over hearing people talk about your appearance. I don’t think people should comment on your size if they don’t know you.you don’t become public property just because you are pregnant!

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        • Kathy

          Good point! Just because you are pregnant doesn’t mean people have the right to comment on things they otherwise wouldn’t!

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      • Kathy

        Thanks for sharing! You’ve definitely made me see why this comments can bring up hurt or sadness for the woman even if well intentioned!

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    • Rabbitsal

      Hearing how huge you are makes you worry the Bub is huge & since it comes out of a teeny, tiny hole you don’t want it to be too big!

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      • Kathy

        I can’t believe I never thought of it this way!! Thanks! This one made me laugh :)

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    • MJ

      ToTotally agree. I loved it when people (especially strangers) talked to me about how big/small they thought my belly was. I had a mini person growing inside of me so of course people were curious!
      And I really loved strangers wanting to touch my belly. There is so much negativity in this world that the fact I had a huge pregnant belly and people wanted to start a conversation and be nice to me made things so much brighter.
      Seriously, people need to lighten up – no one is saying you’re fat, and people just want to feel the joy that you are having by engaging you in their world.

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    • Simone

      Kathy don’t forget that a pregnant woman’s hormones can make her highly emotional so reactions are not always going to be ‘normal’ to such comments.

      Another thing to remember is that often pregnant women do eat a lot. They’re hungry in ways never felt before. I can remember eating a whole pizza on my own and thinking ‘that didn’t even touch the sides’. Or craving chocolate thick shakes and other food I wouldn’t normally eat. So when someone tells you you’re huge some women will think about that pizza/those thick shakes and feel guilty that they are contributing to the hugeness. Something to keep in mind.

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    • Kate

      I was constantly told by my husband’s mother that I was “carrying all around”, complete with gestures showing a huge backside. Was it said meant offensively? Of course not, but you do NOT say something to any woman implying they are fat. For the record, I was still in my size 10 jeans at that stage, later on i probably did have a big bum! But people tend to lose their sensitivity filter when it comes to women who are pregnant or who have recently given birth.

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    • Kris2040

      I didn’t get a lot of comments when I was pregnant, but my daughter is pretty small, and at one stage we were going to the baby health centre for weigh-ins to make sure she was gaining enough, so it became really tiring for me hearing “Oh she’s so little!” every time someone looked at her. She’s actually just tall and skinny and perfectly fine, but not something you need pointed out! You’d probably get sick of someone pointing out the obvious about you all the time, why should pregnant chicks or mums have to just suck it up?

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  32. Sarah

    You know I actually disagree with a lot of comments here.
    During my first pregnancy I found I LOVED all the comments. I never got the impression anything was coming from any negative place. Even the ones that said ‘Sleep/go to the movies/go on holidays NOW’….. you know they were right!

    Despite thinking you may be the ONLY person who has ever been pregnant – and lets face it, we all feel that way – most people in the world go through parenthood. The majority of people do get to be parents and it is a pretty all consuming and universal experience. Heck, even the old guy who runs the local fruit and vege shop. He was a parent, and a grandparent. And we actually had something in common now!

    I always took comments as people taking a chance to bond with me over a fabulous experience all humanity shares. Having babies knocked me off the pedestal I had myself on (for want of a better turn of phrase). I was special. I was different. I wasn’t like my Mum and every other woman out there. For me, pregnancy and parenting was leveling and grounding and suddenly I was every other woman in the world who has had a baby before. I loved the reality of this. I became part of the human race!!

    And I can’t count the number of times I’ve gone on to read about or talk with other women who say ‘Why did noone tell me it would be like this”…. it is NOT all wonderful. But it isn’t all bad either. My children have given me the very best and some of the very worst moments of my life. And I quite frankly get quite excited when someone else joins me on the ride!

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    • Sarah

      P.S.
      Congratulations Virginia!!

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    • Emmeline

      Hi Sarah, I agree with you. I can remember during my labour with my first son thinking of all the women I had met over the years who I had nothing in common with and who I never had any time for. They flashed through my mind as I pushed with the one thought “oh my god, SHE has already done this”.

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      • Sarah

        Yes! Yes! And isn’t it the most awesome feeling to think that.

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    • Marie

      Great comment about pregnancy being a ‘leveller’. I felt the same- a real feeling that pregnancy is such a normal, human condition and I think that is why people want to comment and connect with you when you are pregnant.

      I had amazing prgnancies and really miss how i felt when i was pregnant, but also had the comments about size, shape etc. In the interests of not upsetting someone unintentionally, I think it is best to stick with positive comments. Will never forget the woman who came up to me out of the blue an said “you look wonderful and glowing”, I was on a high all day and realized that we all need to be more supportive and positive of each other, pregnant or not.

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  33. jenomi

    I think people need to be a little less sensitive. The only way we learn about anything is through listening to other people. What if no one ever spoke about their pregnancy, their childbirth, or their parenting experience? We would have no idea what to expect – we wouldn’t know that a newborn needs feeding every 3 hours, we wouldn’t know labour is painful, we wouldn’t know it’s normal to get gigantic breasts in pregnancy. All that stuff would be bloody scary if it came out of the blue.

    I agree that the negative stories during pregnancy can be unhelpful, but I also learnt a hell of a lot listening to other people while I was pregnant. You just sift out what’s not useful.

    And as for people who get shitty when people ask you if you’re having a boy or a girl – why not be grateful that people are interested? Perhaps we should just accept that pregnancy is a conversation point and most people are just trying to be polite – save the smart arsed comments for someone who is genuinely rude.

    I wish all the pregnant ladies out there in MM land a healthy and safe pregnancy.

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    • Sarah

      Could not agree more!

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    • Mug

      Haha I remember when I was pregnant & someone told me a baby needs to be fed every 3 hours. I was literally speechless haha. I’m glad they warned me.

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      • KJ

        I remember thinking that it must mean three hours from when you finish. Boy was I surprised in the hospital when they corrected that false idea – you mean they feed for 45mins then an hour or so later I have to do it all again?!

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    • oliveblanche

      I don’t have kids and I cherish every bit of info that my sisters and best friends tell me. Because one day if I’m lucky enough to have one I don’t want to be in the dark about anything. My best friend told me about the birth in detail (scary but I wanted to know!) but she also said it was the best experience of her life. That made me a lot less scared. I’m always interested in baby talk and pregnancy talk so I hope I haven’t made any ppl feel uncomfortable with me asking how they are feeling etc… Yikes!

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  34. Zoe

    This is all very true, people need to learn when to keep their mouths shut. Considering so many people I speak to have the same issue you’d think not that many people would comment, but it seemed to be every second person when I was pregnant.

    Also, please don’t comment on how large or small you believe my child to be.

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  35. Petal

    Great article Virginia. I especially love the sentence “they are perhaps talking about a shadow that once crept over them and perhaps clouds them still.” So eloquently phrased and I think you’ve hit the nail on the head.

    It’s not that we don’t love our babies, but a lot of us do mourn something we don’t have anymore, and possibly want to warn other women about. For me, it was headspace, peace, aloneness. I can’t tell you how much I missed my own company once my children came. How could I love them so much but still want them gone sometimess too? Maybe that’s what people try and warn pregnant women about. That you will miss what you once had – whatever that was?

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    • archie

      I miss my freedom of action. Nothing too crazy, just the ability to decide my own timetable – when to wake on the weekend, the choice to finish the book chapter right now, finishing my dinner before getting up from the table to grab another tiny cup of water… *sigh*

      They are both so young!

      But they are still far and away my greatest blessings, my heart songs, my loves. It’s a small price to pay.

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      • Sarah

        Love both these comments.

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  36. Tartan skirt

    When I was very near the end of my pregnancy, I had a large man ask me jokingly whether I was having twins. I wish had the guts to reply ‘no, are you?’. Totally disappointed in myself!

    When my little daughter laughed for the first time, I cried and cried. Most beautiful sound I’ll ever hear.

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  37. Jay

    I felt this way during my first pregnancy and got so overwhelmed by the doom and gloomers I ended up in tears a few times, I was so sick of hearing “you just wait till you have a baby”, “your life is going to be soooo hard” blah blah blah, where they right? yes probably, did I need to know all that stuff before I had even given birth? no I didn’t. So now when people I know get pregnant I try not to give them my 2 cents worth (very hard to bite your tongue sometimes) but I won’t deny I don’t get secret satisfaction hearing horror birth/sleep etc stories from people who where so smug when they were pregnant about how they were going to birth/parent etc. Basically you don’t know how anybody is going to cope with a baby or birth or pregnancy so unless you have something constuctive or positive to say then try to keep it to yourself.

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  38. nicolemadiganeverest

    Virginia, I’m in total agreement. During pregnancy (and after) there is a huge amount of attention placed on all the negatives and hard work that come with parenting.
    And with the ever-increasing focus on the difficulties of motherhood (a great thing in that it helps new mums feel normal during their struggles), it does seem to have extended to almost a sense of disapproval when women express the joys of parenting new borns and toddlers.
    Yep, it’s the most difficult job you’ll ever do, but without doubt the absolute best… and like one commenter said, every smile, every cuddle and every I Love You, makes each and every sleepless night, vomit-filled days and loss of “me time” totally worth it.

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  39. Bryter

    I am currently pregnant with my first child. With six months of pregnancy experience under my belt, I have a theory: there are two categories of mothers:

    1/ Those who begin sentences with, “Wait until…”; and, “well, when I had…”
    2/ Mothers who simply say “congratulations”. No comments, no advice.

    I’m getting tired of Mother #1. She may think she’s being helpful, but she’s the ultimate killjoy. It’s such a passive aggressive, negative, patronising way to go about handing out advice. And usually the number one comment in her arsenal is “get your sleep now”.

    My solution? Surround myself with more of Mother #2.

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    • vickiloadsman

      Good idea. If only you could find her before she opens her mouth!

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    • KJ

      I always got annoyed by ‘get your sleep now’. Is there some secret sleep bank I should have been aware of?! I was on bed rest for 12 weeks before having my first so I got plenty of sleep.. I was still exhausted as soon as she was born. 2.75 years later I still am (and she and her little sister are great sleepers!)

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  40. Mummy H

    I am 25 weeks pregnant and love everything that my body is doing to give life to my baby.. But it is funny that pregnancy is the only time where people will openly discuss your size.. ” oh my gosh your so big to your so small and gees you have got chubby in the face.. ” it’s hard to ignore but I’m going to try I don’t want negativity and size comparisons to effect him/ her before they are even born.

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  41. Beka D'Souza

    This is such a good article and topical for me at the moment!
    Being 36.5 weeks along, I get all sorts of comments from the most random strangers.
    I swear, it’s like carring a baby in your tummy or in a pram is invitation for ‘opinion overload!’
    My husband and I have really good laughs about it!!
    For instance, 4 weeks ago, someone asked me how long I had to go.. Their final response?.. “holy sh&$”.. Hinting at how huge I was.
    Yesterday, and two weeks ago, I’ve had women both ask me how far along I am, and both of them have said “you’re tiny” and they both used the word tiny!!
    It cracks me up soooo much.
    Imagine If I was in the lift (that seems to be the place where comments ensue) and I started telling people they looked ‘old for their age’ or ‘smelled weird’…. You just wouldn’t do it!!!!!!
    Laughing it off is my survival technique. It’s no one’s business but mine and my hubby’s!!
    Like Eleanor Roosevelt said ‘no one can make you feel inferior without your consent’
    Xxxx

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  42. Eloise

    Congratulations Virginia, beautiful news, and I wish you all the best on this exciting next stage.

    Great article, and yes I certainly got tired of all the endless advice and warnings of doom and gloom! It was such a relief second time around, when people don’t feel the need to add their two cents worth.

    It’s a beautiful time – enjoy it!

    x x
    E

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  43. Claire

    Bah, these people are the same ones who say to engaged women ‘just wait until you’re married, it’ll all change then…’ Some people are just generally glass half empty kind of people. Sad really. Just give them a smile, inwardly roll your eyes, and go on with your day. Congrats by the way!

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  44. MiddleC

    In my experience, parenting is just like any other “job”. There will be times that you wonder why the hell you are doing it, times that you want to cry and/or scream and times that fill you with so much love and laughter at the little person you have created. Luckily, for me anyway, the latter occurs more often than the former!

    My son is just over 2 and I am 25 weeks with our second. My parenting experience has been fantastic, but I got the Wiggles ride :-) An easy baby who slept through from 8 weeks, who is now a pretty cruisy 2 year old (except for the tantrums!) who has (mostly) always filled me with pure and simple joy.

    From the first smiles, to the hugs and kisses and watching his personality develop and grow, it’s been an amazing experience so far. I just hope his baby sister will be as kind to me!

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  45. Kathy W

    Virginia – you’re fantastic – I LOVE ABC breakfast – and you get to work with that hot guy whose name I can’t remember right now, sorry.
    Anyway, to get to your point, I remember telling a friend how wonderful I felt when my son was four weeks old, and how much I adored being a mother. She snorted and said ‘you’re just high on hormones…wait a while…it will all come crashing down’.
    Well, it never did crash and fifteen years (and another baby) later I’m still loving every minute of every stage of motherhood.
    All the very best to you, Virginia – will miss you at breakfast!

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  46. melissasavage

    This dovetails beautifully with Lucy’s post yesterday on being terrified about not having enough time to do everything you want to before you have kids and a mortgage.

    Both posts comment, without actually saying it out loud, on the underlying cultural assumption that when a woman has a baby, her life is over. The same paranoia drives employers to avoid hiring or promoting married/engaged women of ‘child bearing age’ and makes terrified 20-something girls work themselves into a frenzy because they don’t have a boyfriend and hence will become crazy old cat ladies.

    So really we just need to calm down, because babies and marriage are largely out of your individual control, and back off when tempted to question other people’s decisions.

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    • becsparrow

      Great observation! So true.

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    • oliveblanche

      Lol at the 20 something girls who work themselves into a frenzy because they don’t have a boyfriend and will become crazy old cat ladies! You just described me. After a serious five year relationship with the person I thought was the one I get so paranoid about that sometimes. Hehe only swap the cats for dogs! Wait that actually doesn’t sound too bad! ;)

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  47. erin23

    Congratulations Virginia!!! And yes, people’s comments can be upsetting, but keep reminding yourself that (most of the time) it’s coming from a kind place. Even if you do get asked several times a day, “Are you SURE you’re not having twins?!”

    I still cop a lot of flack, mostly because I’m a young mum and people automatically assume that my life is a sob story and I don’t know what I’m doing. However, there are as many styles of parenting as there are parents out there, so just do what works for you and f*ck the haters :)

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  48. eternally

    I think sometimes we just have to let some comments slide, and accept that people say awkward things because they don’t know what else to say.
    I was so excited about my much anticipated pregnancy, I would much rather answer a dozen times over “when are you due?” etc, then have nobody care enough to ask. And as for the belly touching, yep a bit weird, but nice that people were excited for me.

    I do agree that people should show some sensitivity when talking about situations where things have gone wrong. I was very anxious during my pregnancy, and did not want to hear stories about somebody’s friend of a friend who had a stillbirth.

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    • mamaofhope

      While for the most part I agree with what you say here, from someone on the other side of this, as a mother who has had a stillbirth, this can be very hard. My first pregnancy was perfect in every way. Stress free, happy and healthy. Yet my perfectly healthy eight pound daughter was stillborn five days past her due date. I felt like the only person on earth this had ever happened to. I never heard stillbirth mentioned when I was pregnant, thinking they went out with hoop skirts. Reality is, stillbirth occurs in one in every 140 pregnancies in this country an no amount of avoiding the topic is going to change that stat in a hurry.
      I think pregnant women not wanting to hear about negative outcomes and walking around with blinkers on only contributes to the feelings of loneliness and isolation when it happens to you. I have never felt so alone after my daughter died. And the sad thing is, my daughter’s death could most probably have been prevented, if a few things had played out differently in my labour. I think if it was more commonly spoken about, both by those it has happened to and our caregivers, then I could have seen a few more of the warming signs when I first went in to labour and not just convinced myself I was worrying for nothing. The silence around stillbirth has to stop. It STILL happens.
      I have two living children now and when asked about how many babies I’ve had, I assure you I am as sensitive as I can be, but I’m also not going to lie – I have three kids, but my first was stillborn.
      Bit of a tangent, but this is so close to my heart. Really happy to hear Virginia’s good news, and of course I wish her nothing but the best.

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      • eternally

        I’m so sorry for your loss, mamaofhope, and I hope my post doesn’t upset you.
        I did deliberately say “friend of a friend”, ie a stranger, because if a friend had had a stillbirth or miscarriage, I would definitely want to know, and support them. However, it wouldn’t be appropriate for me to contact a stranger, and hearing about their tragedy added to my anxiety.
        I should clarify that because of my background, I was very much aware of the statistics for perinatal death (although 1/200 was the figure I came across more often, I have also heard 1/140, either way, shockingly high), and the many other things that can go horribly wrong. In my case, I had too much knowledge of worst-case scenarios.
        I was commenting to a friend yesterday that it must be nice just to go through pregnancy assuming everything will be fine, but your post puts things into perspective for me, and I’m grateful for the knowledge that I have.
        On the positive side, it means that I am so happy and thankful to have a healthy baby, and never took for granted that this would be the outcome.

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        • mamaofhope

          No, your comment didn’t upset me, not at all. I’m also sorry you’ve had struggles with pregnancy. I am so glad my first pregnancy was such a beautiful experience, it is just beyond tragic how it ended.
          i just hear it a lot, that’s all, that we shouldn’t share negative stories when it comes to pregnancy, as we don’t want to scare the newbies. But what of those of us who’ve had negative experiences, what are we supposed to do? Suffer in silence? Never share or talk about our experiences? The silence has to be lifted. I don’t mean that’s all we should talk about, but experiences are varied and conversations should always reflect that. And my particular pregnancy experience is not contagious. While I took a statistical bullet, doesn’t mean everyone else I talk to will. Most WILL have a healthy pregnancy resulting in a healthy baby. And that’s the good news here.

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          • Miss J

            I agree 100%. I had severe PND with my first baby and i honestly think some of it was due to my unrealistic and naive expectations of what was actually involved in the first year of having a baby. I wish people had told me a few horror stories about how hard normal day to day tasks can become with a screaming reflux baby who has not slept for 18 hours! No one told me it could actually take 3 hours to get ready for an appointment and you still run late. Or stitches after a vaginal child birth could hurt so badly a week later you have to feed your baby standing up. Or that some days you feel like absolute death for no reason what so ever and can cry for a full day then have to meet friends and pretend your totally fine and say motherhood is your single most amazing achievement ever!! I wish somebody had at least brought up these topics. I have since gone on to have 2 more children and have had a completely different experience after learning from my first experience. I don’t go out of my way to be a sad sack or to put new mothers off, but if I’m asked I won’t lie or sugar coat some of the bad days. I’m very sorry for you devastating loss. Sadly I have always been aware of stillbirth with several family friends and a close girlfriend of my own losing a perfectly formed baby girl during what was a normal labour. Ive never taken it for granted bringing a healthy baby home as it doesn’t happen for everyone. My poor friend had no idea what still birth was and now looks back at a few things the obstetrician doubted in the last few weeks which she did not know to question. Bad things sometimes need to be said.

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      • Eloise

        What an experience you’ve been through, my heart goes out to you x x

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  49. MIchelle

    I totally agree with you, Virginia, when you say comments come from fear. I didn’t need a single word from a friend, neighbour, relative or stranger to send my mind into a heavy duty cerebral tumble dryer of hopes and possible negative outcomes. It’s the latter that dominates the mindset, unfortunately. I spent a considerable period of my first pregnancy in great fear of losing this much wanted and fiercely protected baby. I had seen & felt the soul destroying experience of pregnancy loss via friends. It took some time and lots of gentle understanding from my husband that convinced me to enjoy the moment. Let go of the worry, scenario-building, pessimism and fear. Eventually (by 32 weeks) I felt assured enough to just relish the precious privilege it is to carry a child. By my second pregnancy I realised there was not much that I remembered of my first pregnancy. I needed a different experience. Second time around I let joy and appreciation overrun any negativity that entered my sphere. I made a journal, I took LOADS of photos, I let anyone touch my belly and welcomed any old comment, many like water off a ducks back. Essentially though I realised that through the sickness, discomfort and fear that CAN BE carry a child, I was experiencing something that was mostly out of my control. I gratefully welcomed two healthy children into the world. I thought I was over the ‘fear’ until I spoke with my husband the other night about possibly expanding the family… ‘why push our luck’ I plead ‘we’ve two healthy children, surely that’s fortune enough?’. The fear never leaves, but if you’re smart enough you’ll let plenty of wonder and joy keep it in it’s place.

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  50. kateski

    I remember lamenting this to a friend when I was pregnant with my first child (in a much less eloquent and precise manner!). She gave me some wise words that have always stuck with me… ‘misery loves company’. We’re much less likely to share the lovely experiences, of which there are so many – otherwise, let’s face it, we wouldn’t keep doing it! Congratulations Virginia.

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    • Mostly

      So true! I needed to hear that today!

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