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Donna

by DONNA DUNN

Like a lot of other Australian women I too am on the IVF bandwagon in the eternal quest to have a baby.

During this time I have been offered loads of tips, tricks, advice about what we should and shouldn’t be doing. I get that it is a sensitive issue and a lot of people don’t really understand what IVF is.

Often they are genuinely just trying to say, well, something, anything, in response to a very awkward conversation.

So I take this ‘advice’ with a large grain of salt and try to keep my sense of humour intact.  Occasionally it does wear thin but mostly my husband and I just have a good chuckle and roll our eyes.

Here are some of the most common corkers we’ve heard over the last 12 months:

1.” You can always get a dog.”  Awesome! Up until now we had been thinking we wouldn’t ever be able to get a dog, but now that we’re infertile we qualify as pet owners. You’re right a silky terrier is just the same as a baby. And like you say they are heaps easier to look after. And cheaper too. Problem solved!

2. Just adopt a baby from Ethiopia  - a little black baby would be so cute! Yes, I will just ring the adoption agency right now and put an order in. Should be here next week. Maybe Angelina and I could be pen-pals. I’ll probably even call it Pax or Knox or something else that ends in X that makes me sound like a celebrity.

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“You can always get a dog.”

3. You just need to relax. Really? That’s where I’ve been going wrong. You’re right IVF is such a calming, relaxing experience. If only I had relaxed sooner I would have seven kids by now.

4. When you stop trying, it will happen. Um, actually when I stop trying NOTHING will happen, hence why I’m in this predicament. But thanks for your expert opinion.

5. My best friend’s uncle’s sister did IVF for seven years. Then she stopped and got pregnant naturally. That is lovely, but I, and everyone else with infertility issues are not the same as your best friend’s uncle’s sister. Nor do I have the time or money to go at it for seven years then stop so I can miraculously get pregnant naturally like your best friends uncle’s sister.

6. I don’t really get what IVF is anyway. (Cue shoulder shrug) Well if you’re any kind of friend would it kill you to a) ask what’s involved or b) cheat and Google it. How can you support someone if you can’t be bothered finding out what it is?

7. Wow, your boobs look massive, bet your husband is loving it. Yes they are. Massive. And they hurt. A lot. When you’re pumping yourself with daily injections of hormones and steroids then yes things are going to get big. So big that when you go to buy bigger bras it results in a melt down in the change rooms at Myer when the Berlei lady says, ‘We don’t have anything in that size, darl. What about we get you in a maternity bra?’ And I can assure you that even if my husband was “loving” them, he would be doing so from afar and in silence knowing that he risks death by firing squad if he were to express his “loving” of them.

8. You should be thankful for those big boobs, people pay ten grand for a set of those. This is normally said when you dare lament at your super-sized hormone induced udders. But you’re right, I should be so thankful, because like you say I am saving myself ten grand on a new set of boobs. Think of the savings, ladies!

9. You guys must be having so much sex, hubby would be loving that. Actually we’re not. Well not since Jesus was a small boy. You see had you bothered to find out what IVF is you would realise sex doesn’t actually come into the equation.  Whilst my husband is having some ‘gentleman’s time’ in the store room of the fertility clinic with some 70’s porn mags (hair was big back then), I am in hospital next door having a very long needle inserted into my vagina. This needle will puncture my ovaries to try and retrieve some eggs. If the good doctor gets any eggs they are  rushed over to consummate passionately in a Petri dish with my husband’s 70’s porn induced sample. So yeah, that is the extent of the sex in this household.

10. Have you tried drinking this special tea?  Listen love, if I’m dropping ten grand per cycle of IVF, you can bet your bottom dollar I have tried every special tea, every herb, every acupuncturist, every diet, every positive affirmation and every other ridiculous miracle product available that promises you a baby at the end. Admittedly the powdered Patagonian tooth fish broth imported from Peru was probably going a bit too far…. but you name it and of course I’ve bloody tried it. That’s how I got to this point – the last chance dance that is IVF.

11. If you don’t have kids think of all the awesome holidays you’ll be able to go on. I’m a silly billy!  I didn’t realise that once you have kids all ‘awesome’ holidays got cancelled and you have to stay at home and rot in a dungeon with your crying babies forever. I’ve been on many ‘awesome’ holidays. But I would much rather have children. Oh, and by the time I finish IVF there will be zero dollars left to go on said “awesome’ childless holidays anyway.  Unless pitching a tent in your parents backyard with two minute noodles counts?

12. My husband just has to look at me and I fall pregnant.Fantastic, maybe I should invite him around so he can look at me and I too shall magically fall pregnant. Seriously how is that comment supposed to make me feel about my situation?  Oh, and P.S. Maybe you should whack a blindfold on your husband occasionally.

13. Be careful, you could turn into Octo-mum. Thank you for comparing my situation to a Jerry Springer guest but the chances of that happening are virtually impossible. See, had you bothered to find out what IVF is you would realise that the transfer of numerous embryos is not only ridiculous, but more importantly not practiced here Australia. Yes, I’m desperate, but not stupid.

14. I’ve got a feeling it’s going to work out this time. Phew! It’s finally going to work because you’ve got a ‘feeling.’ Was it the same ‘feeling’ you had the last four cycles? Mmmmm and how did they turn out? I rest my case.

I know people only mean well and their intent isn’t malicious – it is truly a tricky subject to talk about. My suggestion? Talk about it. If you are sharing the fact that you are doing IVF with someone then tell them what it actually involves so their ‘helpful advice’ is kept to a minimum.

I am the only female working in an office with big burly men who blush and run a mile with regard to ‘ladytalk.’  But I found that once I was upfront about it and told them exactly what was involved and why I behaved like a mad woman occasionally, they were great and very understanding and supportive.

Once they had an idea of what I was going through – the stress, hormones, tears, fears, anxious waits, increasing girth and general nuttiness it made it so much easier. Now we joke about it and it’s not an awkward taboo subject.

Some of my colleagues can even talk the IVF lingo now. They understand  how the cycles roll and why some weeks I will be crying in the corner with a packet of TimTams and other weeks  I will be “just relaxing”  – because that’s apparently all you need to do to get pregnant, remember??

Donna is a 32 year old detective in the NSWP. She lives in Byron Bay with her husband of six years, Kurt. She has literally had a gutful of injections.
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213 Comments so far

  1. Maggie

    Thankyou this made me smile , especially the “iv got a feeling it will work this time” if my mother inlaw tells me that again I will scream. Im in the middle of a second round of ivf as my 1st was not a success . I like your view on it its nice to know other people think the same !

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  2. Regina Urbis

    “2. Just adopt a baby from Ethiopia – a little black baby would be so cute! Yes, I will just ring the adoption agency right now and put an order in. Should be here next week. Maybe Angelina and I could be pen-pals. I’ll probably even call it Pax or Knox or something else that ends in X that makes me sound like a celebrity.”

    Is your issue with the question with the offensive phrasing (the term “Little black baby” was hopefully not used by a friend of yours … that would be a sad state) or was it the actual question about adoption, that upset you? Meaning if phrased differently would you be able to give an answer that is actually thoughtful and rational than simply lashing out at the asker?

    Is adoption a more problematic issue for you (your physical or your mental health) than IVF treatment is? Why is IVF treatment preferable to adoption? (There could be medical, social, emotional reasons.)

    This could also entail an interesting answer that highlights the difficulty of adoption, for example is it so much harder to adopt a child (financially? legally?) than to have IVF, and is it one of the reasons why many people opt for IVF?

    Obviously it’s a personal question but so is the information about IVF. If a friend tells me about her undergoing IVF treatment I don’t feel bad about asking her if she considered adoption. Surely there are honest, rational answers to that questions that make perfect sense.

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    • Guest

      I am from Canada and when ppl mention “Why don’t you just adopt?” they are coming from a place where they thinks it is just like going to the pound and ‘adopting’ a puppy. It’s not. It takes 5 to sometimes 9 years to adopt a newborn baby. International adoptions take a few years and it is risky and not guaranteed. Often these children are in orphanages for the first several months of their life experiences neglect and sometimes abuse, none of which is healthy. As an infertile we are well informed of our options to start/grow our families. Fortunately, our well-meaning friends are not, but when they offer their sage advice it can be offensive – especially when it makes us sound like we are idiots. As in, “Don’t be an idiot: you should drink green tea; do yoga, relax, adopt – doing this will get your pregnant because it worked for my friend’s uncle’s sister.” Instead of asking if they’ve done that or tried this, ask “I’ve heard adoption is easy/hard/risky do you know what is involved with adoption here?” Chances are your friend will already know a ton about it and would be willing to inform you.

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  3. Guest

    Thank you for the post – now if only we could educate women without fertility problems how to support those with issues. “I’m so sorry, I can’t image what you are going through” is the only best thing you need to say (in my opinion at least). Can we also please let people know that it is inappropriate to ask someone when they are having kids – it shocks me how many times I’ve been asked this – particularly by co-workers over the years – it’s as if you just wish a baby to implant itself in your uterus and it happens like magic or, people just assume you want kids – some people don’t.

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  4. only young

    I am 27 and have been undergoing fertility treatment since I was 24. The reaction I got from friends and family at the beginning was shocking. Not from the perspective of “why is my body failing me at its apparent prime” but from a “you’re so young, live a little! think about it” point of view. Umm spending $10000 per ICSI cycle is not a decision we have rushed into without “thinking about it”. I too get the;
    “think if the holidays you can have”
    “think if the money you save”,
    “here borrow my husband he gets me pregnant just by looking at me”
    “borrow one of my kids for the day THEN decide if you really want this”
    “(to my husband) you must be lucky getting all this sex”

    My husband and I are lucky to have well paying jobs at a very young age. we travel extensively and get to do some amazing things. my friends constantly say things like “im so jealous, all I do is stay at home and look after the kids”… but here is the real kicker, it is I who I jealous of them. All the travel we do? To me is a consolation prize. I would much rather experience maternal love than to travel any day. I am jealous of THEM

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  5. Jenfa Boo

    Thanks for this article, it’s funny and it’s true. After 7 years of infertility issues, going on a while goose chase for a cure, and finally finding some REAL answers, my Husband and I went through IVF. It is really sad the things some people say to make themselves feel better about your situation isn’t it. I learnt the hard way the old “you find out who your friends are” routine. It’s such a hard and lonely journey, and I think it’s so sad that there is no “support IVF group” within the community or even within your own IVF clinic – I found with my journey, that I ran into the same people after my “eggstraction” and also on the day of my transfer, and I was always left wondering how they went “this time”. After 2 failed attempts, this one stuck, 5 months in and I’m left right back where I started, feeling like I’m in a minority, when it’s most likely a majority – “Post IVF with a Baby on the way”. So here I am, looking for a “Mothers to be group” which is a bit out of the ordinary, because I didn’t fall pregnant the “normal” way. Tralling the internet for similar stories, cause I don’t want to feel like “the only one”. I found a great infertility support group when i was struggling to fall, once I did, I found I didn’t belong – searching for a new one ever since!

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  6. Anna

    You had me giggling. I am currently suffering from bruised ovaries after egg retrieval second time round. I feel old, haven’t been intimate with my partner and generally feel bloated, totally unsexy and completely over it! Thank you for your humorous article. Hopefully one day we can both tell our children what exactly we went through to have them. I keep trying to glamourise the whole experience by pretending I am in a sci-fi movie and that’s how they have babies in sci-fi world, but when I put on three to four kilos and I am swollen, I think, who am I kidding….but we must try and try again. So here goes, this time I am Charlize Theron in an awesome sci-fi movie and I get the baby and the guy at the end!

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  7. Akshi

    Brilliant article. Looking at starting IVF soon. And spot on with the comments. Yes to all of them. Feel much better already. Was laughing so hard knowing that someone else felt the same annoyance

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  8. Nicole

    I can so relate to all of that (except the boob thing – mine didn’t even grow when my milk came in :) ) I was in the same position the only way I could have a baby was ivf, if it didn’t work then no baby for me but everyone was always happy to give advice and I loved hearing – just relax and it will happen when you least expect it……….

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  9. Angie

    For all the reasons above I am glad that I have chosen not to tell any of my friends and family about our struggles with IVF and infertility. For a few years friends and family asked when were we having kids, and we always answered “not sure, we like our freedom” after a while they all stopped asking, and now my husband and I support each other in our struggle in a loving and caring way. We don’t have any sticky noses asking us about “how the IVF is going”, to serve us as a constant reminder. Of course I still get upset about not being able to conceive, but at least without telling people I get some time where I can be me with my family and friends and keep my mind off it.

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  10. Cecilia

    OMG I just love this!!! I can soooo relate. Finally someone with some real honest comments about IVF!!!

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  11. KB

    Such a great post! I was so unaware of the details of IVF until just finishing our first cycle. We had been trying for over a year for baby no. 2 – when we found out my husband had a zero sperm count (when our daughter was only 2). Very unusual as we had conceived our daughter without trouble. We are now using an anonymous sperm donor to whom we are grateful – in the 2WW & will find out on Christmas day. Fingers crossed for the best Christmas present ever. The most insensitive comment we received from a great friend “at least my husband won’t have to a vasectomy” – ummmm like that was ever in our thoughts!

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  12. Vanessa Pond

    Donna says it exactly how it is. Nobody who hasn’t gone through it has a clue what it’s like. I have a girlfriend who got pregnant after 5 months of trying. Every month her period came she’s cry and get so worked up – you’ll be pregnant before me she’s say. After 2 years of doctors telling me we can’t try, then being diagnosed with unexplained infertility we’ve had 2 failed attempts. We’re in the middle of our third cycle now. My girlfriend kept telling me how excited she is for me. I love her to bus but it’s so hard to hear because she clearly doesn’t understand how slim our chances are. I’m trying to be positive and hopeful but I’m a realist. With the birth of the babies to friends and family and the more due before Christmas it has been a difficult year.

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  13. K

    We had a lot of trouble getting pregnant with our daughter, and the comment that used to really irk me was “it’ll happen when you least expect it!” I “least expected” to fall pregnant when I was on the pill. After trying for a long time plus some painful surgery, I DID expect it. We’re now doing IVF in the hope of having a second baby (first round failed, on second round now). The comment that most irks me this time is “oh well, at least you’ve already got one”. I know it’s not nearly as hard on us as we are so lucky to be parents to an amazing little girl, but it doesn’t make the process or the heartache of negative pregnancy tests any easier.

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  14. Laura K

    Hi Donna, I was on the IVF programme 28 years ago and after 3 trys, I was extremely fortunate to have gotten pregnant and I now have a 26 yo girl. I was very lucky. I understand all that you are saying and also know how hard it is for you and anyone else on the programme. The hormone injections for me was the worst and everytime they told me “sorry no luck”, and when you heard a friend fell pregnant. Good luck and hopefully it will work for you too.

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  15. Sass

    LOVE IT!! After many failed attempts we decided to go with surrogacy… The very personal questions that we received were quite shocking!. Many people just can’t understand that sometimes our bodies fail us. If the ‘conventional’ way of making a baby doesn’t work then suddenly everyone has an opinion….. funny, I didn’t ask what sex position they were in when they concieved, why do I have to explain myself & our decision?. BUTT OUT.

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  16. anon for this

    I’m only in my mid 20′s and my partner is almost 30. We’ve been trying for nearly 18 months now. I didn’t think I would be ‘one of those women’, I thought I was young and fresh and could fall pregnant first cycle but it’s becoming quite sad and disappointing each month. To make it worse, in the time we have been trying, two of his teenage sisters have fallen pregnant and given birth to perfect babies in less than ideal circumstances ( I love the babies dearly, I just don’t understand why it’s not happening for me!). I just feel like I can’t have this conversation with my girlfriends because none of them understand why someone can’t fall pregnant at 24!

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    • anon also

      Hi there. I’m about to start my first round of IVF in the next few days at the age of 26 after 2 years of trying and my husband is in his early 30′s. I understand how you feel about relating to your friends on this roller-coaster journey, maybe try talking with your closest friend even if they don’t understand it’ll be nice knowing that someone else knows what is going on with you and your partner. Trying to keep it a secret for us was so much harder than opening up to people.

      And another thing which maybe you’ve experienced is people comparing your age to your fertility issue – age does play a role but when you’ve “planned” to start a family at any age and come up against difficulties it’s hard and it’s even harder going against the norm and it doesn’t help when people quip around to a twenty something year old and say, “oh but you’re just a child yourself, you’ve got plenty of time” (Dr Anon).

      Sorry for the rant at the end, hoping that I’m not the only one whose come up against this mentality a few times. I hope all your dedication and hard works rewards you with your own baby to love.

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  17. Anonymous

    Hi Donna

    Thanks for this article it really made me laugh. I too went through IVF and i think I had everyone of those comments made to me, I had 3 fresh cycles each time no luck and not even any eggs to freeze. On the fourth attempt I feel pregnant and my little boy is now 9 months old. I think the worst part of the whole experience is having to explain to family and friends what stage of the cycle you are at, Having to re – live every procedure doctors appointment etc. I come from a big family as does my husband who all fell pregnant by their “husbands just looking at them”. Good luck for next cycle. One thing that i found that helped was the IVF online support groups all these women were my biggest support and I have never ever meet them.

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  18. Anonymous

    Another difficult thing is watching your friends get pregnant and have children. The quote I once read was “It’s not that I’m not happy for them, I am just sad for myself”.

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  19. David

    Donna, thank you so much for sharing your experiences. My wife and I did IVF for 5 years and I can relate to so many of the comments you mention in your story. Emotional rollercoaster is the only way to describe it. I wanted to stop after 12 unsuccessful cycles, I’d had enough. She wanted one more try and I couldn’t say no to her dreams. We had twins, a boy and a girl. We were some of the lucky ones in the end. Will say a prayer for you that one day your dream may come true too.

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  21. Erica

    Thank you for sharing your story… and for providing a few laughs! I know your situation isn’t funny in the least, but your humourous remarks regarding everyone’s helpful advice are golden. I really hope your current IVF attempt results in a gorgeous baby who I’m sure will be showered with so much love. I know it won’t help, but I am sending all kinds of positive energy your way ;)

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  22. Guest

    The reason why these comments hurt so much is not because the universe sucks and you have to go through IVF, it’s because you so desperately want to have a baby and make a family, something most people take for granted. Having gone through IVF (ICSI) and now about to begin a frozen cycle for No 2, I struggle to know what to say to my dear work colleague who is undergoing her 4th attempt for her 1st child. I know her desperation. I know her experience and situation is different to mine. I know there is nothing I can say or do that will help. It’s just how it is. And it sucks. I just hope she one day experiences the pure joy (and hard work) of being a mumma. And the same to all those struggling to conceive.

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  23. Naomie

    I know the feeling, ive had ‘most’ of those question and we arnt even up to the IVF stage.

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  24. sparkle

    Hi Donna,
    I’m really sorry to hear of your frustrating journey to become a parent. I haven’t been through IVF, but I have had 3 miscarriages and wondered if it would ever happen. I also experienced a lot of the well meaning and yet so incredibly thoughtless comments. It seems like people can’t handle awkward topics and so try to look for some positive in your situation.
    The best things people said to me were more questions – are you okay, how are you coping? and then I could choose if I wanted to unburden myself to that particular person. Whenever I talk to anyone going through a difficult or traumatic event, I try to now realise they don’t want to hear my opinions or how I can “fix” their situation. They just want to know someone is thinking of them and that I can be a listening ear if they want to talk.
    I hope you have people around you that offer real support, and that you and your husband get through this together.

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    • tryingforfirst

      Hi Sparkle, I’m so sorry to hear of your three miscarriages. I completely understand if you don’t want to relive it however I have just gone through the same situation myself (I had my 3rd miscarriage or ‘chemical pregnancy’ this week. I was wondering if they ever found out why you had them? And if you have any children? I wish you the very best from the bottom of my heart and a HUGE huge.

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      • sparkle

        Hi Tryingforfirst,

        Happy to talk about it :-) We underwent extensive tests – on both of us and they found nothing. One of them they found was a chromosone abnormality but no reason why or how or if it would happen again. We were told it was basically bad luck. It’s incredibly frustrating to hear from specialists that the first 12 weeks of a pregnancy are still pretty much a mystery to them. Being given no reason also makes each pregnancy pretty stressful but we werent ready to give up…yet.
        I am currently 39 weeks pregnant with our first baby – fourth pregnancy. I take nothing for granted now and can’t wait to meet our son! I wish you all the best and hope you are given some answers and peace. Hugs

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        • megs

          Sending HUGE good vibes your way for a wonderful birth – you’ll be meeting you’re little one in a matter of days, how exciting! Fingers crossed everything goes as smoothly as possible for you xxxx

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  25. Siobhan

    We went through fertility treatment. To be honest I wasn’t too worried if friends didn’t know the first thing about the treatment, as long as they asked about the treatment and let me tell them how I was feeling and allowing me to talk about it was all I needed. Doesn’t work for everyone (some people may not want to discuss it) but other times your are just hoping someone will ask you about it (I was conscious about not talking about it all the time!!)

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  26. Ali

    The line I found most annoying after failed cycles was ‘oh I know how you feel it took X months of trying to conceive our child’. Whilst it is disappointing to get your period each month when trying naturally it is also perfectly normal to take up to 12 months to conceive and all you have to do is try again next month and perhaps track your ovulation. With IVF you need to find the money for the next cycle, psych yourself up, undergo numerous invasive procedures and drug treatments. We were lucky enough to have success first cycle with our now 5 year old son. We have just had our final failed cycle and chosen not to continue for another. It is absolutely heartbreaking.

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    • Monnie

      Hey Ali

      So sorry to hear about your last failed cycle and your decision to stop. It’s so incredibly tough.

      We are in the same position…we have a wonderful 5 year old son (following fertility treatment). Thought that it would happen again, but alas, we finished our last cycle of IVF in December last year.

      So, it’s just going to be the three of us, now.

      Hope that your heart slowly heals…I know it’s taking me a lot of time to get my head around where we are now at…but hopefully, very slowly, getting there.

      All the very best to the three of you. Don’t know about you, but just knowing that there are others out there who ‘get it’, seems to help.

      Take care.

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  27. Zoe

    People can be utterly rude at times, even if they mean well some things are better left unsaid i.e. “Just get a dog”. I do feel sorry however for the person who said they had a feeling it was going to work this time – sounds like they were really praying and wanting the best for you. No one is perfect and I could write 10 articles about “things that people doing xyz don’t want to hear” but let’s face it, people aren’t always going to say the right thing.

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  28. MB

    Donna, good luck! Hope you have wonderful news soon.
    Loved your article. Never ceases to amaze me how some people respond to situations.
    I always think the best response, is to listen, not talk cliche crap unless you know EXACTLY what the other person is going through because you have been there yourself. Unless you have, just keep the anecdotes to yourself!

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  29. Pumba

    I’m sorry that you are in the situation of having to do IVF, but I do love your article. So funny.

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  30. Rob

    My wife and I did IVF, we heard the same things. People mean well and I truly believe that unless you’ve done IVF you simply can’t understand the feelings involed in the whole horrid process. On the other hand, would we rather people say nothing? If they didn’t say anything we’d be reading articles saying how unsupportive friends are during IVF. Considering 1 in 9 babies is an IVF child these days, point your friends in the way of some good literature. A bit of education might help the non-IVF community understand the process and the impact on couples. Maybe a tip sheet on “What to say to couples doing IVF” might be a good article on mamamia….

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    • V. M.

      Love your post Rob!

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  31. green trees

    there seems to be a lot of comments that refer to “uniformed friends”.

    to those who have said this, may i ask: how well informed were you in regards to IVF before you needed to to it?

    my guess is you knew nothing or at the most very little. most people aren’t going to spend their time reading up on a treatment they don’t need.

    and your clueless friends may actually be busy with their own lives and problems and not have the time to research your problems. that doesn’t mean they don’t care, they simply don’t know all the details.

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  32. Jodie

    It seems Ivf has made you grumpy?

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  33. Carolyn

    You have literally hit the nail on the head! After 7 years of infertility and IVF the comments suggestions and advice from others never ceases to amaze me. I’m still on the hell roller coaster and with the increasing cost of cycles it looks like we have to wait till next year. Oh and the comments from newly pregnant friends when they go ‘your lucky you haven’t had the constant sickness or heart burn feeling yet!’ Seriously you’ve just said that? Morons is how some people act. IVF is bloody hard work that I’d never wish on my worst enemy! Good luck!

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  34. elesha

    awesome and so right.

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  35. anon for this

    People can say and ask dumb arse things about all sorts of issues. Upon telling my sister in law I was pregnant with twins her only response was that she hoped they weren’t conjoined and did we know whether or not they were.
    Wasnt sure what to say, I was speechless and completely deflated.

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    • Lynnie

      I don’t know where to start with how absurd that comment it!

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  36. Lisa Mc

    Thank goodness you have kept a sense of humour throughout your treatments. My best friend has been undergoing fertillity treatment for years and I have no idea what to say to her each time it doesn’t work. I would love some advice on that! In the meantime, I am sending you my best wishes and am crossing my fingers for you to have the baby that you so clearly would love to have.x

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  37. Lisa

    Both my kids (DS 10 & DD 6) are IVF (ICSI) children. I have had a couple of people comment on how “normal” they seem????

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    • Phoodie

      Some people are seriously SO rude! And you know what, even if the intent to be rude or mean is not there, it IS still rude!

      Fools.

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  38. Abouttoembark

    I’m about to begin IVF after two ectopic pregnancies and removal of both tubes. A good friend laughed as I this week told her about my latest loss and how our only option now is IVF, saying ‘heck it’s not going to be real romantic having to crack your legs on a table’. Wow, hoping the ‘support’ only improves from here on in. I’ve taken some great tips from comments on this post on pro-actively helping family and friends in delivering the support we need – thanks a bunch Donna and commentors.

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  39. Chellebelle

    Yeah – we were “lucky” in that we only needed 4 rounds of IVF to have 2 kids. I can relate to every one of your points above. That’s why after the first round we only told our immediate family and even then not many details. My sister found that hard and said that she thought it would be better to talk about it. Unfortunately she needed to use IVF too, and told all and sundry all about it the first time around. Subsequent tries she realised what we’d gone through and didn’t share anywhere near as much. It’s oh so very very hard.

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    • Jen

      Yes, we thought the less people that know, the better. Less pressure on you cycle after cycle..

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      • chillax

        So true. Having a close friend share her attempts each time they went through a cycle it was hard to know what to say/ask. Do I say nothing in case its bad news and perhaps appear disinterested/heartless…or do I ask and risk upsetting her or putting her in an awkward position if shes not ready to share the happy news yet.

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  40. A-dubbs

    Oh dear god. I said the acupuncture stuff to my sister in law…. Every time I say some whacky story on current affair… Ugh!!!!

    Good luck! I hope it works for you!

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  41. Monyfelix

    I just wanted to wish you all the very best in being successful with your IVF treatments. I hope you are blessed with a beautiful healthy baby soon. Thank you for your article, it was very interesting. It’s my experience that people do say thoughtless things however they are usually well meaning. Perhaps the people that read this will be much more sensitive to how they approach IVF in the future. Best of luck to you and your husband :)

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  42. Away from Aus

    Great article Donna, you articulated all the well meaning comments so well.
    I went through years of treatment and finally am pregnant.
    For those who want to know the right thing to say to someone undergoing treatment, just listen, take some time to learn a bit about IVF and empathise but don’t pity. For me that look of pity from friends cut more than any comment.
    Good luck Donna.

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  43. nicks02

    Five years I listened to these comments, tips and suggestions. Mainly from people who had NO idea what I was going through…NONE whatsoever.
    I also got “are you taking Clomid?” When I asked said friends what Clomid was, other than an ivf drug, they couldn’t tell me. WHY ARE YOU ASKING???

    Not one of my friends bothered to learn about the IVF process, so every time I did another round, I’d have to go through the same suggestions and “it’ll work this time”.

    I’m very pleased to say I’m actually 13 weeks pregnant. SO excited, happy, surprised…and in shock!!!
    I have realized some people feel the need to tell me what they think would be best for me…even though everyone is different.
    I’ve had to hold my tongue and count to 10 many times already!

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    • Anonymous

      FYI, people will tell you what they think is best for you throughout the rest of your pregnancy.

      And they will try to tell you what is best for your child when it is born.

      And in my experience, that’s no matter how you conceive!

      Good luck xx :)

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  44. amy

    I too did find the humour in your post. The one that really used to get to me was the “my husband just looks at me etc…” 4 IUIs & 2 ICSIs – DD 1. Then 5 ICSIs – DD 2. Hang in there, it sucks but you are not alone.

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  45. Faybian

    This is such a hard one. People make all sorts of dumb a*#e comments about all sorts of things. I’ve had a variety of less than positive life events (including fertility problems) and have heard a variety of stupid comments. If I’m honest, I’ve probably said things to people that have been less than sensitive without meaning to or thinking. I think the problem is that what offends one person, may not really bother others, so you can’t always predict what will offend.

    That said, I wish you the best of luck in your IVF journey Donna and sincerely hope one day you have the children you dream of.

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  46. neola

    For those who have asked what are some good things to say, here are a few I like:

    (Just before embarking on the IVF journey)

    1. I’m so sorry you have to go through this. It’s really not fair.
    2. I’m here for you – call me anytime you want to vent (actually, this one is good anytime)

    (During treatment)

    3. You’re going to be an amazing mum. Hang in there. You’re being really brave

    (after a failed attempt)

    4. Hey, no worries if you don’t feel like going out. How about I just come over with some sashimi, pate and a bottle of wine? We can talk if you want or just watch a dumb, funny DVD.

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    • Phoodie

      Great comment Neola :)

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    • just-preg

      thanks neola, not that i would say any of the comments listed in donna’s amusing article, it is always hard to know exactly what to say – especially when i am pregnant myself. You want to be supportive of your friends and keep their spirits high and the mood light-hearted and not too intense, without sounding like you dont care or think its going to be easy. i think i will take on board a few of your suggested lines.

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    • Heartbroken Friend

      One of my dearest friends and her lovely partner, lost their baby today, eight weeks into their pregnancy. It was their fourth attempt with IVF.
      I really want her to know that I am there for them both, but I don’t want to say anything that would cause them pain or sound insensitive.
      So, thank you Neola, for a very helpful response.

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  47. Leah

    Great article Donna. I took a very different approach to my fertility treatment, my husband and I made a decision to tell only a couple of close friends and my parents. It was hard enough dragging ourselves through the whole experience without the inane, uninformed commentary of “well meaning friends”. You don’t have to open the book on your life, it’s no one else’s business. I didn’t feel I could expect people who had no trouble getting pregnant to understand the relentless heartache, physical pain and financial stress, so I simply didn’t put them in that position. We now have a gorgeous baby and if anyone asks, I tell them he was IVF. It hasn’t stopped the inane, uniformed, “well meaning” comments, but they have absolutely no impact on me!

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  48. Brooke

    My SIL (and best friend to boot) fell pregnant on her 3rd cycle if ICSI after trying for seven years.

    The other line he was given was “you too young for IVF”. Hmmm

    I read too much so was pretty aware of the process, but things got hard on our relationship when I fell pregnant accidentally during her first cycle. We both had to work out boundaries.

    But she is now about 14 weeks and we are really looking forward to our babies being born around 20 weeks apart.

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  49. Alice

    Fantastic post. Interesting and well written. What kinds of supportive things would you recommend we DO say to friends going through it?

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  50. Been there

    Ah yes, how this story resonates with me. We tried for 4 years (multiple IVF attempts) before finally falling pregnant- and I heard pretty much all of the above (apart from the “get a dog”). I found them very frustrating- as Donna commented (and many of those below)- by the time you get the the IVF stage, you could write a book on ovulation, sperm morphology, hormone levels etc, so to be given trite and cliched advice (“just relax”) is wearing. My least favourite comment was “But your husband LOOKS so virile”. There is a big difference between FERTILE and VIRILE. He didn’t have erection problems dimwit, just poor quality sperm! Additionally, I am a bit less charitable about the nature of some of the remarks I received- there was a definite sense of superiority from some of those making the “Gosh we just have to LOOK at each other to fall pregnant” comments- as though this made them superior physical specimens. I cannot truly believe that if you have even a modicum of sensitivity, you would think this a helpful remark to someone going through IVF. It was an all round HORRIBLE, stressful experience but worth it if successful. Donna, I completely understand what you are going through and wish you the very best of luck. Good on you for tackling an awkward topic with humour.Fingers crossed for your next attempt. xxxxxx

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