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UPDATE: Smacking should be banned says The Royal Australasian College of Physicians paediatric and child health division president Dr Gervase Chaney. Dr Chaney said the body was reviewing its policy on smacking children and would likely officially support a ban and would then call on the Australian Government to do the same. “There has been good evidence that in countries where it has been banned there is a reduction in child abuse,” he said. “Though many people have used physical discipline, and it is still regarded in most of our society as an acceptable form of parenting, there is no clear delineation between what is acceptable as a smack and what is child abuse.” Britain’s equivalent body also reviewed its policy this month saying ‘today’s smack becomes tomorrow’s punch’. Mr Chaney said it was no longer OK for parents to say ‘it never did us any harm’.

Katharine writes:

The other day I had a small car accident.  I told my husband and received the obligatory lecture “you have to take more care…..why can’t you ever learn?”  A while later, I had another small ding with the car so when my husband found out, he was very upset. In response, he hit me- it wasn’t hard, just a gentle slap to teach me a lesson.

Does this story make you mad? Horrible isn’t it? Luckily, this isn’t a true story for me, but one I made up to highlight a point. Very few people accept violence between spouses- even the “smallest” hint of physical harm is not acceptable now days. Then why, oh why, do so many people think that physical punishment of children is still OK?  I’m not talking about child abuse. I am talking about use of physical discipline of children. A smack, a slap, a gentle tap….why is our society so tolerant of this?

Many parents will hold firm on the view that they have the right to smack their own children. A recent poll suggested that 70% of people are against banning physical punishment of children. We have banned teachers using the cane, and outlawed people harming other people’s children, but the law still allows parents to smack and slap their own. And by keeping physical discipline unlegislated, it sends a message to parents that smacking is fine.

Two generations ago there was widespread tolerance of spousal domestic violence. Some would say “It’s between a man and his wife…don’t get involved”. The same argument is used now days about smacking children. “Leave it up to the family. Parents should decide what they do in their home. It’s their right as the parent”. If you’re not sure on the subject -then let’s look at the reasons people smack:

1. “It’s the only thing that works with my child”. Physical discipline doesn’t work. It merely creates fear and causes upset.  A vast amount of good research shows that smacking is not as effective as other techniques. Behaviour change is ineffective when brought about by fear, it is temporary at best and it teaches the child a whole lot more about how adults manage their emotions, than about the behaviour the parent is trying to control.

2. My child is difficult….he doesn’t respond to time out ….he needs a good smack.” If a child has loving caring parents, this excuse doesn’t stack up. I have spent years working with children who have conduct disorders and are really challenging. No expert believes those children are best dealt with by physical punishment, our research tells us otherwise. Often the most difficult children need tighter boundaries, need to learn that they are valuable and need to be hugged more often. Smacking will not help your child become less difficult and a more caring and thoughtful human.

3. “Smacking never did me any harm.” So maybe you survived childhood despite being driven around without wearing child restraints and you were OK that time that Dad was drunk and drove you home. But we have so much information that tells us that what we believed to be harmless in the past may not be so now.  With new information about alternatives to smacking, people should try to change their behaviour, especially those who are well educated. Why stick to old methods? Our parents and grandparents didn’t have the wealth of information about child development and child psychology available to them, they didn’t have any alternatives. We do.

4. “Smacking is a quick and easy method.” Since when is parenting meant to be quick and easy? Good parenting is time consuming, it takes perseverance. Teaching children to say please and thank you takes years. Smacking them on the back of the legs is not going to ensure that they don’t run onto a road after a runaway ball. Discipline takes time and effort- there is never an easy answer.

5. “Smacking teaches them right from wrong.” How on earth can we expect children to play with other children without hitting each other, if we as adults, teach them with smacks and slaps? How can we expect children to grow up and believe that physical violence is not the best method for resolving conflict, if this is how mum and dad deal with being angry and cross? Children learn how to behave from observing their parents actions and behaviour.

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6. “You can’t reason with a child.” Children are not stupid and they do respond to reason. We know this from studies of child development. The argument that children need to be taught a quick lesson that they can understand should be dismissed as quickly as the olden day argument about wives needing to be taught a lesson and kept in their place by violence. Time out done properly is time consuming. It takes a whole lot of patience to contend with a child who has clobbered his sibling for the thirtieth time. It is annoying to wait for the child to sit still. It is uncomfortable to have to get down on the floor to be at the child’s eye level. It is frustrating to wait for the child to explain what they did wrong. And it is boring to wait for the child to apologise, especially if you know that you’ll have to repeat the whole process over and over again.

7. “Children have too many rights these days.”Do women have too many rights? Or Indigenous people? It’s a nonsense argument that was used in the past to keep less powerful people in their place. Children are not going to take over! They will always be our most vulnerable members of society.

So if you say “it hurts me, more than it hurts them”, then reconsider. Hitting, smacking and slapping a child hurts you because of guilt. Many parents know that there are better less violent options and fell terrible that they have hurt a person that they love. Parents smack because they are upset and haven’t been able to think of another option. It’s a reaction that comes from anger. I’m sure many people would love to smack another adult sometimes, but most don’t because they have learnt strategies for managing their anger. Therefore for those who don’t routinely smack their colleagues, or become physically violent towards strangers, it is possible for you to learn to manage anger and use alternatives to smacking.

What can parents do instead?

1. Don’t react immediately. Lock yourself in the bathroom for one minute while the initial anger fades and so you can think of another rational way of dealing with the situation.

2. Learn about the correct way of using time out (or variations of time out), either to diffuse the situation or remove your child from what they are doing.

3. Use logical consequences for children’s difficult behaviour.

4. Hug your child and remind them that you know that they are tired/upset/cross and keep hugging until they calm down.

5. Ignore the less serious difficult behaviour. Pick your battles.

6. Reward them for getting things right- and name what they are doing correctly so they want to do it again.

7. Have a “No Hitting anyone” rule. If a child is told that mum and dad don’t hit each other or hit the children, then “no hitting your sibling” makes much more sense to them.

One day smacking will be unlawful in Australia and parents will not believe they have a right to harm their child. As people now stand by the need for women to be safe in their own homes, so will people protect children from harm in the future. Any sort of harm. Even a gentle slap.

Katharine Cook is a Child and Family Psychologist who works with people to manage complex issues and solve problems creatively.

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688 Comments so far

  1. Stop taking spanking out of context

    You are manipulating twisting and morphing parenting with spanking. There’s nothing wrong with a spank on the bum with the bare hand. Not with an object such as a belt or hose and not to go over board with it. Too little spankings leads to kids and teens such as we have today. Seems it’s alright for kids to hit their parents though eh?

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  2. Jessica

    Smacking IS wrong.
    children need love and guidance not to be smacked and stifled .
    I Myself was smacked as a child and and it made me more unruly to the point where if my mother would threaten to smack me id do the same back, i got in fights and much more.
    It is proven that children smacked at a young age are more likley to become aggressive and violent teens and adults.
    All the biggest criminals where smacked as children and no not beaten but smack in the same matter you would smack your own children.
    tell me if you love your children so much how can you bring yourself to smack ? have you explored other avenues , most dont.

    if you want your child to fear you so be it but really , you brang those children into the world and you owe it to them to be the best parents you can and to mold your life around thier (YES around THIERs) they never asked to be born so guid with love and choose other methods

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  3. pete robinson

    don’t hit children.
    i was hit quite badly by my mother as a child.
    no one else in my extended family agreed with this.
    on one occasion as a six year old i flinched, ducked and dived away from my father who, distressed, said, ‘have i ever hit you’?
    no, he hadn’t, but it only takes one adult to administer violence to imprint this behaviour on a child.
    i have no children but all of my friends have shown, as they bring up their own children, that there is absolutely no reason for violence, no matter how inconsequentional it might seem at the time.. i.e a ‘slap’.
    the people who advocate ‘a slap to the legs’ are wrong.
    i have seen my friends kids develop into the best adults you could hope to meet.
    not one of them was ever hit by their parents.
    case closed.

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  4. eblan

    please email dacord@mail.ru me. I’m bad man and like suck with men!

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  5. eblan

    They tried, if he appeared to being please email dacord@mail.ru me. I’m bad man and like suck with men! oliver. Theres a hike but you.

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  6. Kate

    I have smacked my daughter once – She was about to put her hand on a very hot stove and I smacked her hand away to prevent a burn. You’d think I’d broken the childs hand! The indignant look, the quivering bottom lip and then the tears! I did it as a reaction to stop my child possibly being seriously injured and I felt HORRID! I have never felt so bad in my whole life. I swooped my beloved daughter up in my arms and held her tight and started crying and sayin over and over again “I’m sorry baby. So sorry”. I don’t know how anyone could hit/smack/spank/beat a child. Whatever you call it and whatever the supposed justification, it is WRONG!

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  7. stu

    This article is just ridiculous, although i respect what has been said, i will say that i was smacked as a child as a last resort, NO it didn’t do me any harm and yes i defiantly understood that what i did was wrong and i wouldn’t do it again.
    Smacking children as a last resort for discipline has been carried out by adults as far back as humans go, even animals nip/swipe their young as a form of punishment.
    Children of previous generations were far more respectful towards adults than children of modern day, whether it be their parents, the elderly, teachers etc, the trouble is this modern culture of treating children as adults with a no smacking policy, is exactly the reason children don’t have any respect, gangs of children hanging around terrorising people on street corners especially the elderly, causing havoc in classrooms etc there just isn’t any deterrent any more.
    Fear is a good thing, regardless of what people say, it is part of being human and deters people from doing what is wrong, such as going to prison, or facing the electric chair for murder,
    also the arguments that you wouldn’t hit your partner so why hit your children is just stupid, Children are children and should be treated as such, they need to be guided in the correct direction and sometimes only a smack will do.
    Finally a smack today is a beating tomorrow…. really… so by that principle if i only shout at my child for their wrong doings then tomorrow i will escalate that approach and scream so loud into their ear that i burst their eardrum, no i dont think so that is just plain stupid!
    A light smack is perfectly acceptable.. abuse is completely different.

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  8. Ben

    LOL….Yes women have to many rights…. and most indigenous races (especially the native americans should have been wiped out most are worthless crap any ways…drunk retards with IQs that match dirt..) and kids being swatted is not going to hurt them as long as it’s just an attention grabber not a beat the living sh** out of them.

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  9. Rachael

    They are all wrong? So what are you supposed to say if your child comes up to after doing a naughty thing, and also after you’ve told them to stop, that to make them? What do you do then? If they have it in there heads that you cant do anything but talk to them, in order for them to stop, what will that achieve?

    Smacking is appropriate, for all the right reasons.
    Sure, not going overboard is the obvious boundary. There is a fine line between discipline and abuse. The parents that inflict abuse should therefore be punished, but a simple smack on the hand, or bottom towards their child is acceptable. This will teach the child that when they do that wrong thing again, punishments will be enforced.

    It’s ridiculous that people think that smacking children is the same as smacking another adult or your own partner. We should not treat them the same as if they are an adult. Remember, they are only starting to learn , and enforcing right from wrong at an early age is the right thing to do.

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    • 10pm

      So assault against another adult = unacceptable

      Hitting someone smaller and more defenceless = for their own good

      Interesting

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  10. Mark

    The other day my wife was complaining about the amount of time I spend watching football.

    Wrongly I said that she was ‘being stupid’.

    She told me I was to be banned from watching football for the next week and was to go to my bedroom and think about it.

    Ridiculous isn’t it?

    Yes.

    My wife’s role is not to discipline me. My role as a father however is to disciple my son.

    It is ridiculous to cut and paste like the author has. Just because a form of discipline is inappropriate between partners does not mean it is inappropriate for children.

    Or do we need to treat them as adults now?

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    • maxine harrison

      children need to know there are consequences for bad behaviour a smack for a small child an other punishments for older ones, having said that sometimes you only need to remind a child that a smack is coming an they soon change their minds about what they are doing, so most times you dont need to smack that is my experience , i do not believe no-one other than the childs parents should be able to hit smack or do any other phycical punishment.

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    • Rachael

      Exactly my point.

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    • AnonymousMouse

      Spare the rod, spoil the child. That’s what’s wrong in todays world.

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  11. GreenRaven

    So how do you deal with unruly children? I was at my boss’ home for a work casual luncheon. His children were absolute terrors. Soaking the yard with the hose and then spraying mud at each other, and at the other young children attending. Spraying the hose in the air and wetting us on the deck. Told again, and again to turn the hose off and stop. When Dad went out to get the hose his daughter was defiant; with a look on her face that said “I dare you”.

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  12. Nora

    It’s interesting to note that some think smacking = respectful well adjusted kids and not smacking = spoilt brat behaviour.

    How many times have you seen the Supernanny walk into someone’s home and smack a child to improve their bad habits or negative behaviour? I would suggest never.

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  13. lucindainthesky

    I think that any form of discipline overused doesn’t work, not just smacking. I do not believe that smacking is abuse. Used sparingly, and generally on younger children who are not responding to reason or other forms of discipline, it can give them a little shock and show them that there is a consequence. However it makes sense to use a form of discipline or a consequence that relates to the crime. If you won’t clean your room/do the dishes, you won’t be getting any pocket money/going to so and sos birthday party/the movies, if you are going to fight with your brother over a toy, i will take it away.

    Taking away one form of discipline from parents will not make bad parents better parents, it will just give them one less method of discipline to use. And guaranteed it will not stop people from abusing their children in any form, or make it any easier for the dept child safety to remove children from their homes.

    Also, the idea that fear and discipline don’t mix is ill thought out. Think about all the people that you respect that you wouldn’t want to get on the wrong side of. Police, teachers when you were really young etc. There is always a little bit of fear there that makes us stay on the right side of the track. A little bit of fear never hurt anyone, it just makes us stop and think about the consequences before doing something. Fear does not come from abuse – it comes from knowing there is a negative consequence. At school that could be having a priveledge removed, being in trouble with the principal, suspension, talking to their parents. Most kids respond to this. There are always a few that won’t toe the line, but the majority do. A little bit of fear is healthy when you are a child especially, because moral development is proven to not properly develop until near adulthood. At a young age children do not cite reasons of right or wrong for doing or not doing things, they cite reasons of consequence or law or authority. Our problem in society is not smacking, it’s that parents believe they shouldn’t put any fear into their children at all and they don’t follow through on their threatened consequences. It’s all about following through, and reasoning according to their age.

    http://faculty.plts.edu/gpence/html/kohlberg.htm

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    • Sue

      Wow Lucinda, you put all my thoughts into a nutshell. Thank you for that.

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      • lucinda

        No problem Sue! In terms of this article, I think it is published here to spark debate – ie offend people. I am fairly certain no or few psychologists equate smacking with abuse or perpetuating a cycle of violence, it is generally just proven to not work on many children because it doesn’t frighten them when they know mum is frazzled and at her wits end or dad looks he has steam about to come out of his ears. I remember when i was little if i was in trouble (in public) my mum used to lower her voice to almost a whisper and threaten to pull my pants down and smack me in front everyone and if she got to that point you knew you were in big trouble when we got home and promptly behaved the right way. Showing anger is a calm and quiet way works a treat i reckon!

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        • Jan

          Lucinda, totally agree with both your comments. Maybe your mum knew mine, who used the same threat. My solution to tantrums whilst out shopping was to leave the child with my father – no bad looks from old ladies, and grandpa was great at keeping said child in line.

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  14. Jess

    Smacking when done in anger is wrong and teaches very little. Smacking, when dome as a clearly defined consequence, to a clearly defined request is not. It is a punishment for disobedience. Children need boundaries and they need those boundaries enforced, and parents need the freedom to parent their children without the star intervening because some people can’t do it right.

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  15. Anonymous

    I don’t smack my kids often, well my daughter not at all, and my son I did sometimes when he was younger. My son has very challenging behaviour but now he is older, I can reason with him a bit more and it is getting easier. Now he has things I can take from him that give him a consequence. Before he was about 7 there was nothing I found that made any difference to him. On the occasion when he was smacked sometimes it slowed him down a bit because he would cry and then think. It made me feel bad though. I don’t think smacking is the answer but I know nothing else worked with him either. Valium for myself would have been a great help :) I am not trying to preach on parenting because I am seriously no expert, but I do know that I am slowly coming out the other side of parenting a very difficult child. There’s still a lot of days that I say “surely it’s not meant to be this hard !” and I think that is true, but with perserverance and struggling to find the best option without smacking I think I am saying that less and less. However from the comments I have read, there is a part of this article that hasn’t been addressed. Quote : “There has been good evidence that in countries where it has been banned there is a reduction in child abuse”
    Well, that’s good enough reason for me to agree to it. I know I don’t abuse my kids – even on the odd occassion that I have smacked, but if legislating to stop smacking kids gives only one other child a life free from abuse then it should be implemented.

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  16. Rosie

    Someone like to suggest a better way to discipline my 3 year old when he bites his little brother on the FACE so hard it breaks the skin????!!!!! To see the little one so distraught is terrifying, and I don’t think ‘time out’ would get the message across at just how disgusting this behaviour is!!

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    • Kris2040

      Bite him back.

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      • lucinda

        given the nature of this article, ironically this is probably a good suggestion. I bet he’d never do it again if he got a taste of his own medicine! I’d certainly rather teach my kid a lesson than have them turn into a bully!

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        • Kris2040

          That’s exactly why that’s what my reaction would be. It’s the same as what he’s done, and he’d get to see how much it hurts and what it feels like. I wasn’t joking when I suggested it!

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    • Happymumof3

      My heart goes out to you. I use to feel so sad for my little one when his older brother use to bit him. What I did every time he bit him, was to get him to apply an ice pack to his brother. When everyone was feeling a little better (including me). We talked about using our words and being kind. This took a while, it worked for us. Good luckxx

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    • LPlates

      Put him on a time out close by. Don’t really engage with him other than to tell him to stay put. Then give all of your attention to his brother. Let him see his brother getting all the attention. Then after a few minutes go to him and tell him in a calm voice “We do not bite.”. Don’t raise your voice as it gives him negative attention. Other advice I have received to help with negative behaviour is to ensure there is family fun time where you all play together. As well as one-on-one time. It needn’t be for a long time even. 15 minutes is fine. Hope this helps. It may not work straight away. Persevere. I know how hard challening behaviour can be! Good luck.

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    • belindab

      Rosie, as you used the word disgust, I wonder if you are communicating this feeling to your eldest? Disgust is very powerfully linked to shame, and shame is the basis for self-esteem and worthiness problems. In adults for instance, showing disgust, whether communicated directly or indirectly, is a main contributing factor in divorce.

      Children act up because of feelings they don’t understand and cannot express. Your eldest is clearly struggling with something to behave as he is. I completely understand how upsetting it must be and how bad you must feel for the youngest, but as parent to them both, each deserve your loving kindness.

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      • Anonymous

        when one of my children hurt their sibling I ask them to look at their brother/sister’s face, listen to their crying. I ask how do you think your brother/sister feels right now? and then how do you feel knowing that you have caused this? and sometimes yes they say good! im glad I did it! but you know what; when they say it they can’t look me in the eye, they run away to their room and I know that despite their words they have realized that they have behaved poorly. Help your children to learn why something is wrong or right and then they will believe it too. Of course no one is perfect and I have to admit that I have resorted to smacking and used all the excuses but when I do I can’t look myself in the eye either!

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  17. Krystal

    The only thing smacking teaches, is that big people hit little people when they are really angry.

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    • Anonymous

      No it doesnt. İt says that there are times when you have gone just toooo far and that you need to understand that there are consequences for doing the wrong thing. İt should not be the only form of discipline but it is a way to indicate that the childs behaviour has gone to far. Kids always want to know where the very edge of their boundry is – you have to make it clear.

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      • Anonymous

        really? I’m pretty sure it teaches children that it is ok to hit someone when they do something you don’t like

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        • Rod

          I was smacked when i was a kid and i leanrnt not to repeat the actions that got my parents angry. Smacking is a last resort. And kids need to understand that they cannot behave like adults..i.e a parent smacking a child does not mean they can hit. Kids have to learn about the paradoxes and shades of grey in life..while we shun voilence as a society we have police and armed forces that are heavily armed and are trained to use violence (in the case of special forces they are trained to kill!!). Our defence budgets are greater than the GDP of very poor nations. I put the question to you…since the police and armed forces can and have used violence does this mean you can use violence against a person who threatens you???..the answer to many of us will be a definitve NO…similarly i argue kids must learn that parents have their reasons for smacking and it does not necessarily mean they can do it.

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  18. Js ma

    Katharine, I’m sorry to see you are getting such disrespectful comments. I really appreciate this article as my baby is becoming a toddler and challenging many boundaries. Can you offer any further information about point 2; where can I find out more about the correct method of time out? I didn’t even realise there was a right/wrong way. Thanks.

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  19. Gin & Tonic

    Smacking is the easy option when you as a parent are angry and a bit out of control. I don’t care what the research says (good or bad), I would never smack my kids because it demonstrates a lack of self control on my part.

    Taking away things they value, like toys and electronics, for extended periods works much better for me. It is harder to execute but teaches them consequences in a much more meaningful way.

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    • Lolly

      Very sensible words.

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      • Gin & Tonic

        …of course the not so sensible yelling and screaming like a banshee often works too.

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        • Anonymous

          you made me laugh as this is often my approach too, although I have learn’t while is does work to release my steam after a while it doesn’t really seem to bother the kids.

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  20. Sue

    Reading all the comments on here for and against smacking tells me two things:
    1. Every situation is different. We are dealing with different personalities, cultures, experiences in both parents and children.
    and
    2. Making smacking illegal will open up such a can of worms that all the do gooders out there will be gainfully employed for a lifetime.

    Do we REALLY think that banning smacking will make a difference to those parents who “abuse” their children physically and emotionally?

    Do psychologists really think that picking up a 2 year old cuddling them and telling them that running on the road could have resulted in trauma isn’t some kind of positive reinforcement?

    I’m so tired of the nanny state we are becoming, where the sins of a few are grieving the many with all the rules and regulations being set in place.

    I slapped my daughter on the arm a few years ago. She had just received a gift that was frustrating her. She was 17 years old. She threw the gift on the floor. I said to her, “how dare you treat such a special gift with such disrespect!” and I slapped her on the arm. I said that kind of behaviour is unacceptable. “Whatever” she says, “that is child abuse, I should report you to the police” I said ” I can give you an example of child abuse if you keep that up” I took the gift from her. “Whatever” she says again.

    Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.

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    • shanny

      i am so so with you

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      • Sue

        Thanks Shanny,
        I think the problem with these kinds of discussions is that they don’t allow for the differences in people and family dynamics. It’s either black or it’s white. Life isn’t like that.

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  21. Marty

    I was belted as a child. I still remember who it was that belted me the most – my grandmother and my uncles. These days, I don’t want anything to do with them. And I still repeated the things they belted me for, except I learned to do it when they weren’t around.

    Hitting has the potential to alienate children, and it doesn’t TEACH them anything, it’s just gonna make them wanna play up more just to spite you. If you give them a reason to do the right thing with some positive reinforcement, and teach them why they’re doing the wrong or right thing, eventually they’ll grow up and learn.

    And at the end of the day, kids will be kids just trying to be kids, but like any human being, they’re not going to respond well to violence.

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  22. Sarah

    Can I just ask why the ‘smacking never did me any harm’ is not a legitimate reason? You’ve compared it to a father driving his kids home drunk which to me seems bordering on ridiculous. Yep, I got smacked as a kid from my mum (and threatened with the wooden spoon), and I’ve turned into a perfectly fine young adult, so where is all this research on child development being thrown around? i would also like to point out that research is simply that, research. Child development studies are constantly being debated, I know that because its what my thesis is on. No person can really conclusively find out what a child is thinking, feeling etc.

    I would also like to say that my brother grew up in a completely different household, with my mum and his dad. That household was one of abuse and huge amounts of drinking from his father. My brother (obviously) turned out completely different to me, he grew up a little out of control, always in some sort of trouble. This article was right in that it said kids aren’t stupid. Kids know the difference between a smack and abuse. I never went to school hitting anyone or any of that nonsense quoted on here, I was disciplined. There’s a difference, people need to recognise that

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    • Marty

      The reason ‘smacking never did me any harm’ is not a legitimate reason is given in your own comment – “No person can really conclusively find out what a child is thinking, feeling etc.” It’s easy to make up rules, but they ain’t much use if children don’t understand why. If I tell your child not do do something, (s)he’ll do it anyway, just to spite you. If you punish him/her, (s)he resents you for it or finds a way to do it when you’re not around. But if you show him/her why it’s wrong, at least they have a reason not to do it again.

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    • Anna Spanna

      It’s not ridiculous to compare smacking to driving drunk. I think you’ve missed the point of the comparison. It’s a matter of questioning why you would hit a child when there are so many other ways of dealing with the situation. Time and education have enabled parents to teach their children in many different ways, as opposed to hitting them.

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  23. Responsible Adult of Society

    As one of 7 kids I was acquainted with the jug cord, wooden spoon, hand or even a good kick up the backside on many occasions.

    I’m with smacking, it is discipline. And the fear that creates when you’ve been bad etc, puts us in the mindset be responsible, respectful & good.

    Only recently my mum said that she was too hard on us by her discipline. I disagreed with her, I said to her how many of us were ever in jail or in trouble with the law? 

    None of us. Only because we were taught right from wrong.

    Now that’s a feat.

    Knowing several parents from school who didn’t believe in smacking & good old discipline – its their children who are in prison, roaming the streets late at night doing lordy-knows what, drug addicts etc.

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    • Anonymous

      “And the fear that creates when you’ve been bad etc, puts us in the mindset be responsible, respectful & good.”

      No, it doesn’t. It makes you feel small, it can take away your ability to stand up for yourself in the face of injustice or bullying. Fear is not discipline, it is monstrous. You don’t teach people with discipline.

      You teach them to discipline themselves.

      I have plenty of mates that have never been in jail or in trouble with the law. None of them were belted as kids, so your argument is a moot point. There are other forms of discipline that don’t require hands – rather, they require brains. Hitting kids is a cop-out because you just can’t think of anything more intelligent or substantial.

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    • 10pm

      As one of five kids also acquainted with kitchen appliances, I am the only one who has not been in jail, or suffered from addiction.

      My mother in law never, not once hit her three children. One is an assistant commissioner of police, one is a primary school teacher, and one has had problems.

      Smacking does not turn a child into a good citizen. I would suggest it is the other values that your mother instilled in you, not the smacking that helped you.

      Children who are constantly smacked live in a heightened state of stress, producing persistent cortisol production. This leads to lower IQ, behavioural problems and an inability to learn at the same level as their peers.

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  24. Anon

    Parent shaming is AWESOME. Well done, Captain Perfect!

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  25. Irish

    I think a lot of the time kids just want attention – and is that such a bad thing? We all crave it at times.

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  26. Horrified

    I would like to begin my comment by quoting the one and only Mia Freedman:
    “Debate is good! Disagreeing is good! That, to me, is how feminism works. A bunch of smart people speaking their minds.
    RESPECTFULLY.

    That word is important.

    In all this discussion over the past week about AWW, I’ve been disappointed and upset that a very small minority of people think it’s ok to attack Deborah Hutton personally.

    Not on. Not here. No way.

    I believe we can debate things without being rude or abusive. If you don’t believe that, bugger off. Deborah is a real person who is online reading what is being written.

    Remember that before you leave a comment – here or anywhere else.”

    I would like all those who are commenting on this post to consider what the editor of this site has said about the ethos of such a special place, and question whether their comment abides by this request… because I can tell you most of them don’t.

    This article has generated a horrifying reply of fully grown adults maliciously ripping at each others necks, bullying one another, and being completely disrespectful of each other’s backgrounds, contexts and personal situations.

    I doubt whether Mia started this venture with the intention of having mothers and fathers sitting at the keyboard almost in tears, having to justify THEIR OWN LOVE FOR THEIR OWN CHILDREN.

    To those who have challenged this of another contributor, who have personally attacked someone else’s parenting methods on this post, I would like you to consider one of the issues that this article is addressing; the way in which children pick up the behavior of adults they are surrounded with and mimic it. It is fantastic that you have the courage to be a keyboard warrior and demoralise another person under the safety of a pseudonym, but I would like you to picture saying these words to the same person face-to-face, in front of your child, and just spend a moment thinking of all the wonderful values you are instilling in them, like disrespect, narcissism and harassment with absolutely no knowledge of surrounding circumstances.

    Congratulations, you’ve all won Parent of the Year Award for trying to protect every child that you can get your cyber reach on. Make the next thing that comes out of your mouth to another parent a positive remark (just like the positive reinforcement you keep giving your kids) about it being ok not to follow one stock standard method of parenting.

    P.s. Before I get attacked about my last comment of “protecting every child”, let me be clear that protecting children who are being physically, verbally or emotionally abused is an acutely vital aspect of our society and one that I’m immensely passionate about, however this is not the same thing as bringing other people down to make a point of your own amazing existence.

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    • Anonymous

      This is a blog…highly debatable topics and opinionated articles are written on blogs for the purposes of pricking emotions so that people engage and comment, therefore drawing attention to the website etc therefore making it a popular site to visit.

      I’m sorry but in some cases over the years I have noticed the Mamma Mia team cross the line in order to prompt a great response….

      It’s kind of like giving a dog a bone and telling him he can’t chew it…..not very fair and not going to happen…

      I agree there are a number of occassions were the Mamma Mia community have forgotten their manners…

      but I do tend to cringe when one of the Mamma mia team advises the community of their manners….if you can’t handle the heat stay out of the kitchen…

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      • Rick Morton

        I think it’s more a matter of respect. If we, as a community, can’t debate something respectfully then that’s a pretty sad state of affairs.

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  27. Rose

    As number five child out of 6 siblings, it took my parents to get to me to realise smacking doesn’t actually work. I’m glad my parents figured it out!

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  28. Jane

    I used to nanny for a family that used the wooden spoon on their little ones whenever they misbehaved. It made me feel so uncomfortable to watch (even though I only saw it happen once). One day I was looking after the kids and Mr. 2 got sick of his big brother not letting him play a game so he responded by climbing onto the kitchen bench and reaching for the wooden spoon. Luckily I saw him grab the spoon before he managed to whack his brother, but it just goes to show that kids are NOT stupid and they learn from example. I couldn’t believe a child as young as 2 thought that a wooden spoon was an acceptable way to reprimand “bad” behaviour. Awful.

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  29. anon

    An adult hits an adult and it’s called assault; yet an adult hits a child and it’s supposedly “discipline”.

    Sad and unfair, not to mention hypocritical.

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  30. Anonymous

    OMG yawn yawn I could not even get half way through this article, so lonnng and opinionated…..this is a pretty personal topic….so I am going to ask a couple of personal question…how many kids do you have? Do you have any children with development delays or ADHA?…. I am a Montessori Mum of 4 children and love my children more than any else, I don’t make a habit of smacking my kids, to me it is not an appropriate consequence it is quick and easy… but if it worked for them and they reacted well to a quick tap when they were not being ‘social appropriate’ I would smack… I am human I am not a robot…I make mistakes .. my kids need to know this…2 of my children appreciate the time out in their rooms….2 really appreciate it when they have a firm boundary…….I think our grandparents generation seemed to nail it they were respectful, compassion, considerate……I never put a step wrong when I visited Poppa

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    • Kris

      Maria Montessori was one of the earliest opponents to smacking.

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    • Millie

      Really had to agree with this comment. We wonder why children today have so little respect. If they ban smacking, which I sincerely hope they don’t, how many more children will we see at shopping centres smacking their own parents? I was smacked as a child, not routinely but whenever I was obnoxious yes. Society has some misguided idea that children are innocent little rays of sunshine. Unless children respect adults and one another they will not learn to be well-adjusted adults. Parents also should be left alone to parent. Any idiot knows the different between child abuse and smacking.

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    • Anonymous

      Sorry, but are you saying children with developmental delays need smacking more than any other child?

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  31. Me

    My sister in law doesn’t smack her children – ever.

    Yet they smack eachother, and can barely play with other children without playing up and fighting with them.

    Your argument is immediately disproven in this case.

    Stop telling people what is right and wrong, and let people work it out for themselves. What you are talking about doing is taking rights away from the PARENT which angers me to no end.

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    • Sophie

      Hi Me. I agree with your comments. Katherine needs to stop telling parents how to raise their own children – as various things work. I am a teacher and the behaviour that I see is disgusting. A lot of parents try and work with positive reinforcement (which works on some, not on others!) and their children have their parents wrapped around their little fingers. Children do have rights, but they don’t have the rights adults have. They need to LEARN manners, need ot learn they are NOT the centre of the world and as parents we love them more than life itself. All I can say is ‘DO-gooders!’
      I have 3 kids who I don’t smack, but when the youngest two were 5 years old (twins), I did tap them on the bottom for throwing a tantrum because they couldn’t have chocolate at 6am. They proceeded to throw stuff at me. They needed to know that it isn’t acceptable and I used what I thought would work best. It worked. So, Katherine – please ensure that you think about how different each family circle is, taking into consideration the support they may lack, childrens behavioural issues and the situation. Parents like you writing articles like this is what is causing today’s generation to lack manners, respect and children that behave. I apologise if I have offended anyone, but each to their own.

      Sophie.

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      • Anonymous

        A child responds to a smack by throwing things at you and you think the smack worked? Way to teach kids how to fight violence with violence.

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      • 10pm

        Not sure how this shows the success of smacking..

        I ignore tantrums, and I would have put my child who was throwing things in their room.

        My 5 year old was sent to his room yesterday for bad behaviour. And of his own volition he came and apologised for his behaviour after 10 minutes – no smacking, no yelling.

        Doesn’t always work, but smacking has to be the last resort.

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  32. Ella

    My mother has at different times parented with and without smacking-

    she raised 4 children (including me) and used smacking when strict and swift punishment was needed and i must say it never had any kind of emotional or phycological effects on us. it really did teach us right from wrong and generally whatever we did that was wrong we weren’t game to try it again after that. as forsmacking encouraging violence i really disagree. mum didnt smack us out of her own temper, or even anger. we understood it was controlled disciplined and did not at all resemble childish hitting in the playground.
    when we grew up my parents began fostering 2 little boys aged 4 and 5 (now 6 and 7) because of governement guidelines within the foster system mum isnt allowed to smack, which is understandable. she uses other disiplnary techniques(like the naughty corner). so she has really experienced both types of parenting and her opinion is that both can work but smacking is much quicker and more effective. when we were smacked we scarcly attempted whatever naughty thing again, out of pure fear of punishment (which is basically the main function of punishment) whereas with the boys now, often even if they’ve been punished for something before they might risk another turn in the naughty corner to do something bad if it might be worth it.

    parental discipline and punishment isnt for the parents satisfaction it is to teach children, and we must use whatever is most effective for each individual child. (although i have never met a child who hasnt responded to a smack)

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    • childpsychkc

      Ella, While not really wanting to keep responding to comments on my article, I feel that I should respond to your comment. Children who have experienced abuse and neglect, and who are in Foster Care, are the children who least need to be smacked, slapped or hit. These children have experienced more than many can imagine, and most of the information provided to their carers on their history, is a tenth of what they have been through.
      It is shown by many studies on the topic, that even the threat of violence by new carers, can bring about stress reactions, fear reactions and sometimes worse for these kids making it very difficult for them to trust and attach.
      I respect what you have said, that your parents have experienced both methods and find smacking more effective, but I would say that nearly all methods probably would have worked better on you and your siblings because you experienced a childhood that was less traumatic as your foster siblings.
      Lastly, I also wanted to acknowledge how amazing your parents are to be foster carers. It is an incredibly difficult job- and good foster carers are just so precious. It sounds like the boys have been with your parents for two years- well done to all of them.

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  33. anon

    I will probably be villified for this, and let me be clear that I don’t use smacking as a form of discipline. Time out is proving very effective for my little 2yo, and other times I will let things go if I can see that her behaviour is a result of tiredness (whingeing, etc). However I have absolutely no problem in smacking her hand if she is about to touch something hot or dangerous. I will also explain that it is dangerous and why I’ve smacked her hand. Reasoning alone won’t save my child from attempting to touch a hot plate repeatedly. I do absolutely agree that when your child pushes or hits another child that smacking is not appropriate as it’s simply reinforcing the behavior. Time out has worked a treat for this behaviour.

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  34. redqueen

    I’m so glad I never had kids, no regrets!

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  35. Rebecca

    What a fantastic article. I could not agree more with all of it. I often find myself speechless when other parents speak about smacking their children but now I have some really clear, clever and thought provoking arguments to counter what I believe is parents blaming children for their own lack of control.

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    • Anon

      “Speechless” you must not realise the situation that they are in. It’s none of your business if you see another parent tap their child on the hand.

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      • 10pm

        That’s the problem with this world, it is everyone’s buisness

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  36. anonimouse

    “The Slap” anyone? If anyone deserved a big smack it was the kid’s mother.

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  37. Zara

    My brother, sister & myself were regularly smacked from early childhood, through to our teens.
    Instead of teaching us respect & discipline, being hit by my parents taught me nothing but humiliation, fear & resentment. And for that reason, I have made a concious choice never to lay a hand on my child in anger.

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    • Kristen

      I suspect your feelings had a lot more to do with the emotions your parents expressed when they smacked you rather than the smack itself.

      I had two parents who smacked me. One did it when tempers were frayed and yep, it wasn’t the right thing to do.
      The other did it outside the emotion of the moment, with calmness and gentleness and expressed it as a ‘consequence’ that we talked through rather than it being a reaction to anger and frustration. It never felt scary or humiliating in that context – in fact, it was a simple consequence that my then very young brain understood and learnt from.
      By no means would I smack a child capable of reason and other relevant forms of discipline however for the very young, those not yet ready for more mature discipline, a simple consequence, devoid of anger/emotion, can be a useful tool – if that’s what the child responds to. Each child is different and should be handled appropriately.

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  38. Joey B

    Completely with FatherOf2.

    ‘Research’ needs to be referenced. Links to details of the experts who conducted research, who was researched, on what, how, what the cultural context was, and what the researchers themselves claimed (not what laymen concluded from some of the results) is pertinent.

    Loose claims generally indicate journalism that has already made up its mind before properly researching all sides of a situation.

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  39. Rob

    Your opinion and keeps you employed.

    Some interesting snippets but I do not agree with everything you say

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  42. SP

    The argument revolves around the same few “there’re other methods (and I’m SURE you never tried or even thought of them)”, “it’s VIOLENCE, omg”, “it’s gonna scar the child (cos it did to me)”, “the parent needs anger-management”, “I didn’t use smacking and my children are wonderful!”, etc. Is it that hard to admit that these reasons are hardly facts, and in fact has been counter-argued reasonably? All I see is people content to pat themselves on the back of their one and only method and refuse to acknowledge that smacking can be used safely and responsibly. Know why there is ‘beating’ and then there is ‘spanking’? Know how they are different? Stop assuming your methods work on every child like all children grow up the same way in the same environment.

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  43. Kate!

    Iv never hit my children (although sometimes when Im really angry, I would like to) and I very rarely yell at them either. I used to do a fair bit of angry yelling and one day I imagined how it must feel as a little person with my big aggressive voice and aggressive body language bearing down on them. I felt ashamed of my lack of self-control. Smacking and aggressive yelling are not good parenting choices – they are about anger, frustration and poor self-control. As an adult I knew I should and could do better. So I did.

    Contrary to the predictions by some, that gentle, respectful parenting methods lead to badly behaved kids with no boundaries, my kids are gentle respectful, well-adjusted people who often attract admiring comments about their behaviour.

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  44. Anonymous

    hahaha Have to laugh at number 5 ‘Ignore the less serious difficult behaviour. Pick your battles’..Hilarious

    By ignoring the less serious behaviour they are going to push boundaries more leading to more extreme behaviour as they get older

    My children are 8,9 and 13 now and I no longer smack
    They are polite confident children who are aware of what behaviour is appropiate .
    While my 13 year is fantastic at rolling her eyes at me and is answering back now more than ever, I talk to her about it.

    I do know children however that bite,push,dont share, are disrespectful to their parents, swear and these are all under 10′s
    Some of the 13yo I know are doing things 100 times worse

    All by parents who havent smacked
    To be honest i think its these parents who find it easier to look the other way and let the children ‘express themselves’ or whatever other way they try to justify their childrens behaviour. Instead of addressing the problem

    Correct me if im wrong but a 2yo really isnt going to sit there and listen while you have a dicussion with him about why biting is wrong

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    • Anonymous

      So, a two year old is going to learn that biting is wrong by being smacked? What we really have to look at is the message that smacking is sending that child. It’s not OK to bite but it is OK to smack?

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    • childpsychkc

      Unfortunately, I have known many parents who believe that the way to teach a child to stop biting, is to bite them back. Again, I don’t agree with them and think there are many other ways to teach a child about what is ok and what is not.
      Many many children will go through a biting stage. I have read quite a bit about the link between frustration that a child feels about not being able to express themselves in words, which leads them to biting behavior.
      Again, it is important to try to understand the behavior, and respond to that behavior.
      I do stand by the pick your battles line. Too many parents feel they have to jump on every behaviour- but this is incredibly tiring and stressful for a parent. Obviously I am not advocating ignoring serious things, just the things that perhaps won’t matter in the grand scheme. Any pinching, biting, hurting, stuff that can cause harm should be disciplined- but some of the other stuff like table manners, and whining voices can be sometimes ignored for your own sanity.

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    • Celandine

      I think you’ve raised an interesting question. Is physical discipline better than no discipline at all? If a parent smacks because it’s easy and if not allowed to smack, they would just yell or ignore, would the child be better off with consistent physical discipline? There do seem to be plenty of kids around whose parents seem to let them do whatever they want and have no boundaries. Is this just as bad or even worse than receiving the occasional smack?

      Just to clarify, I don’t smack, nor do I believe in smacking. ;)

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  45. mumof2cuties

    I don’t use smacking with my children however have smacked my now 4 year old on 2 occassions. Both times it was completely about my own anger, frustration and inability to be rational about the situation, and I was horrified that I would allow myself to lose control like that and burst into tears both times. My son gave me a cuddle and explained to me why hitting him was wrong! Time out and reasoning has worked well with my boys. Some of the examples provided here to justify smacking I just don’t understand- why would I smack my child if he ran out on the road or put his finger near an electrical socket!? Firstly, my children have never had the opportunity to run out onto any road and never would because I am supervising them and once old enough explained what can happen if you get hit by a car. Secondly, all the electrical sockets are child proofed. Problems solved without any smacking.

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  46. Susi

    Look I don’t believe in smacking children. I received a few light smacks as I child and it did me no harm at all but I think that positive reinforcement can be a much more effective tool in most cases.

    However, I am very very wary of what I see as a growing wave of horrific brats. It is one thing to say, let’s not smack our children and a very quick jump to over-legislating our behaviour and the nanny state becoming over-involved in parents’ ability to raise their own kids.

    Even when I was still in school (over a decade ago now), my friends and I could not believe how bratty the kids in primary school were. My mother, who is a teacher, constantly comments on it. Teachers can’t touch the kids at all anymore as they are so tightly restricted by child-protection laws. If a child hugs them they have to somehow disengage themselves without getting in trouble.

    I remember being in awe of older kids when I was in primary school, we used to love it when they came down to our area. When I was a senior student in high school, the little kids would hurl abuse at us when we entered their area. They’d tell us to f**k off and get out and that if we touched them their parents would sue. Charming. One lovely six year old ran down the middle of a group of eighteen year olds sitting on the ground eating lunch and slapped everyone’s faces on both sides of him. I somehow don’t think time outs were working on that kid. That was over a decade ago, now it seems to be even worse!

    I fear that there is a serious lack of respect in kids that is damaging to society. Just look at the entitled behaviour of many teenagers involved in the London riots. A brilliant teacher from the UK has very convincingly linked much of that behaviour to the altered teaching system in the UK that is all positive reinforcement with no punishment ever taking place. It pretty much teaches the kids to do as they like, and boy did they ever!

    I don’t think smacking your kids is the answer but I think it is a fine line to walk when you are discussing legislation to do with this topic and we need to somehow find a balance between being underprotective and being overprotective and intrusive.

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    • ANest

      “I don’t think smacking your kids is the answer but I think it is a fine line to walk when you are discussing legislation to do with this topic and we need to somehow find a balance between being underprotective and being overprotective and intrusive.” I agree :) .

      To add, I think society (our society anyway) is going through growing pains as it evolves from a society that went from non-existant respect for children to the right way to foster respect, by being respectful, without resulting in the next generation losing respect either for themselves or for others.

      To those who are saying “brats” and “these kids have no respect”, how much do you respect children? Now this isn’t in every case by any means, but without a doubt I have found more often than not that if an adult shows respect, a child revels in it and shows it back – IF they are taught respect from their home environment.

      This is about being aware that children are PEOPLE, not adults, but people in their own right.

      One of the best things I ever heard a friend say is that if she wouldn’t say or do that to her husband/friends/family then she doesn’t do it to her children. Now the reason that is so hard to implement is because as a society we are familiar with our upbringing, changing isn’t easy, I am the first to admit it.

      And finally, how do you feel when you smack/belittle a child? Does it leave you feeling good/self righteous/vindicated? Or like you lost a little humanity and self respect? It’s not about guilting parents who are overall doing the best they can (which I believe most of us are), just please, whether you be a parent, a family member, a teacher, a friend; lead by respect and kindness because ultimately how we want others to be is how we should be ourselves.

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  47. Stacey

    Love, love, love this post!!!

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  48. amandarose

    The feel of some of the comments is that kids are the same as adults.
    Some even consider time out abuse.
    My concern is I feel it causes monster kids who have no respect. As a child respect for adults and authority was the norm.
    Now kids think they are equal and do not respect teachers or police or laws. It is not healthy for people to forget about respect. I am not saying slapping is the cure of this- rather a comment about the attitude that children need to be so molly coddled. Time out is great. It works and it is good for children to respect you.
    Sommany kids these days are rude little monsters. I have a five year old and her friends are bossy and demanding and rude. Can help but feel a little bit of time out and the word no would do them wonders

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    • Jen

      So right Amanda Rose. I am a teacher and there are so many Monster kids out there, more than ever. When I was at school it wasn’t like this. Like Katherine says “Ignore the small things,” if you do that – the children push the boundaries even further, which was also stated in another post. They don’t respect laws, figures of authority or adults. KIDS are NOT adults Katherine! GET REAL!

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      • stacem

        I understood ‘ignore the small things’ to be in the ‘choose your battles category’, maybe a towel left on the floor or toys not put away when asked, all really annoying here at my house with 4 children, but in the scheme of things not worth having a melt down over. Save the battle for inappropriate behaviours and things that can cause harm. These small issues aren’t about to lead to direspecting the law.

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  49. Anonymous

    I think some people have completely missed the point. Each to their own. My husband and I were both smacked as children. We made a conscious choice NOT to smack and have done so much reading and watching of documentaries about alternatives to physical punishment and so far so good. Our little girl is 2 and is a typical child who tests boundaries and we are happy she does. That’s her job. We never once thought we would have a child who sat there and stared at the floor because she is a human being ! Yes every child is different but you don’t normally have to look much further than the environment they are exposed to to understand where the behaviour comes from, including what they watch, eat and parental relationship they see. Don’t be so offended if you smack. That’s not the point of the article. BUT understand you have the ability to change the method of punishment you give to your child. You are the parent. You have the power to choose. It’s not something out of your control (even though sometimes if feels like it is). However there is a plethora of possible actions you can take in order to try and achieve desired outcomes. If one doesn’t work there are so many other methods you can try. But it’s up to us as parents to make those choices. Love and strength to all who are doing their best x

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    • Diane

      I have four children, all adults now and one a father of a three year old. They saw the same parental relationship, lived in the same house, watched the same TV shows (which I was very strict about), and ate the same meals. One responded to a smack, one just needed a look, one to confiscating toys and one who nothing seemed to work for consistently. They have all grown into responsible, respectful adults. We are a very close family including my aunties, uncles, cousins and their children. They have large and varied groups of friends, who also regularly visit us even though all of children have left. I work as a high school teacher in a difficult school with a number of “problem” kids, and although they can’t be smacked (and I wouldn’t of doing it) each of them responds differently to disciplinary techniques.
      I didn’t yell and berate my children and they never did the same to me. None of my children ever hit me, but they would hit each other, even though the one who was smacked some times was not smacked in front of the others. They never had fights at schools or got into trouble for their behavior. Each child was very different and responds differently.
      My 2.5 year old granddaughter has never been smacked, but when she has been frustrated she has hit others, including her parents (that of course resulted in a naughty spot visit).
      My sister and I were smacked and she was frequently belted by our father so we are not supporters of corporal punishment, but have both used it. Our brother was never smacked and has never held down a job, has had numerous failed relationships, been in trouble with the police and isn’t as close to our parents.
      Reponsible parents know their children and how best to deal with them, because every child is different and so is every situation. We should be raising the cry to have harsher penalties for child abusers and ensuring the don’t have contact with the children they have abused.

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  50. Mara

    This is by far the BEST post ever on Mamamia. Thank you Katharine Cook! I agree with you 100% – smacking children is WRONG & HARMFUL.

    I do think it is sad that we accept violence towards children (the most precious members of our society & most vulnerable) yet we don’t accept violence between adults!

    There are a lot more ways to discipline a child than physically hitting them! I’m tired of hearing people whinge “oh but if you don’t hit your child they will grow up to be a spoilt brat!” That’s assuming that hitting a child is *the only* way to discipline them – IT ISN’T. :-)

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    • Childpsychkc

      Wow Mara. in the last couple of days I was wondering where the parents who don’t want to smack were hiding!!! Thanks for your comment.

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