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Watch Arranged Marriage episode tonight 8.30pm

Insight will tonight take a look at one of the more nuanced areas of Australian relationships as it examines arranged marriages, hearing directly from those who are living in them or who have experienced them.

The Federal Government is considering laws to prevent forced marriages, after a number of cases of young Australian women being pressured to wed or forced to marry abroad.

But, of course, marriages arranged by parents and family aren’t always forced. Some cultural groups in Australia – among them Indian and Lebanese – are choosing to keep the tradition alive, and their children are happily allowing their spouses to be chosen for them. Some people, however, are agreeing to the marriages because of family pressure.

Take a sneak peek of the program which airs on SBS One tonight:

Internet freedom at risk in Australia, says group

The organisation Reporters Without Borders has placed Australia on a list of countries to watch as it keeps a close eye on mandatory Internet censorship laws the Australian Government has refused to back away from. Other countries on the watch list include South Korea, Russia, Sri Lanka and Egypt as nations that are considered to be a threat to democracy and freedom of information.

Australia was added to a list of countries that were “under surveillance” due to the Federal Government’s unwillingness to officially scrap its national censorship scheme, despite its massive unpopularity.

The non-transparency of the filtering scheme and the fact that the Government has broadened the scope of its “classified criteria” was also a cause for concern.

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Long-running Harvard study shows red meat can kill early

Harvard University has been studying the effects of red meat consumption on 120,000 people for years now and says it offers some of the clearest evidence yet that it can lead to a premature death. “This study provides clear evidence that regular consumption of red meat, especially processed meat, contributes substantially to premature death,” said Frank Hu, senior author of the study in the Archives of Internal Medicine. Fairfax reported:

Researchers gleaned their data from a study of 37,698 men who were followed for 22 years and 83,644 women who were tracked for 28 years.

Subjects answered surveys about their eating habits every four years.

Those who ate a card-deck-sized serving of unprocessed red meat each day on average saw a 13 per cent higher risk of dying than those who did not eat red meat as frequently.

And if the red meat was processed, like in a hot dog or two slices of bacon, that risk jumped to 20 per cent.

The authors said between 7 and 9 per cent of all deaths in the study “could be prevented if all the participants consumed fewer than 0.5 servings per day of total red meat”.

New Foreign Minister Bob Carr to be sworn in

And he’s already on the attack. Bob Carr arrived in Canberra today ahead of his official swearing in as a Senator and called Opposition leader Tony Abbott a cheap trickster.

“I thought of this over breakfast: Tony Abbott is like a cheapskate hypnotist in a rundown circus,” he said.

“He’s saying to the electorate, Look into my eyes, you are growing weaker: No more boats.

“Look into my eyes you are growing weaker: end Labor’s big bad tax. Look into my eyes you are growing weaker: debt and deficit.

“He’s trying to hypnotise the electorate with these slogans. It’s a very cheap performance.

“And if you paid five bucks to get into Wirths Circus and that’s all you got from the hypnotists, you’d ask for your money back.”

American couple win $2.9m wrongful birth case

Oregon couple Ariel and Deborah Levy have won a court case for the wrongful birth of their daughter in 2007. She was born with Down syndrome despite a pre-natal test showing she was apparently developing routinely. The couple said they would have aborted had they known of the condition and sued the administrator Legacy Health for the ongoing costs of her care. They say they love their daughter very much, but weren’t prepared for caring for a Down syndrome child.

Australian SAS on secret missions in Africa

Fairfax has reported exclusively this morning an entire elite Australian Special Air Service (SAS) squadron is hunting for terrorists in Africa, out of uniform, without the usual backing of intelligence officials and at the ‘outer reaches’ of Australian and International law. The news is especially interesting because Australia is not at war with any nation in Africa. The squadron, the existence of which has never been publicly announced, has run missions in Zimbabwe, Nigeria and Kenya. The main role of the troops has been intelligence gathering, particularly on cases where Australian civilians have been captured. Fairfax reported concerns the soldiers did not have adequate legal coverage should they be caught. That’s usually stronger when the Australian Secret Intelligence Service (ASIS) are involved but in this case they’re not attached to the squadron.

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Adele after her recent Grammy haul

Madonna defends Adele against fat jibes

Not that she needed it, but superstar Madonna has come to the defence of British sensation Adele after designer Karl Lagerfeld called her a ‘a little too fat’. She said: “That’s horrible. That’s ridiculous, that’s just the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard. I don’t like it when anybody says anything bad about anyone – I don’t like it. Adele’s a great talent and how much she weighs has nothing to do with it.”

Madonna then proceeded to offer career advice.

“The thing for Adele to remember is at the end of the day, whether you rise or fall, it has so much to do with how you sustain yourself and keep your integrity and your inner strength.

“It is all about who you surround yourself with – friends and people who really do care about you, and care about your well-being beyond being a superstar. That’s the most important thing.”

- Speaking of Adele, we love her.

Concern over support funding for comeback kids like Thorpe

Swimming Australia is dealing with the thorny issue of how much money it is using to support comeback swimmers like Ian Thorpe, Libby Trickett and Michael Klim ahead of the London Olympics this year. It is rumoured Ian Thorpe, who has been posting poor times in the lead-up to the big event, alone has been given more than $100,000 in support – far and beyond what the ‘regular’ swimmers on the Australian team have received. Swimming Australia denied this saying no cash had been paid but the three stars had been given support, ‘like all other athletes’. Head coach Leigh Nugent said of the concern:

“I really can’t understand why it would (cause instability). These guys are multiple gold medallists of recent times, multiple world record holders, and they are going to contribute if they make it (onto the Olympic team), to the performance of that team, and maybe help some of the other members win relay medals, and bring experience, and bring stability. I can only see positives in this.

“I think you would be a pretty ungrateful person and a pretty ungrateful Australian to not assist our proven, best performers.”

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  1. Tarsha Rash

    I can only see positives in this.

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  2. Kate

    I recently finished a degree in Nutritional Medicine and we were shown many peer-reviewed studies that suggest that eating red meat significantly increases mortality.

    The studies suggested this is because most people are consuming far too much red meat. You should aim for 2 serves of red meat per week and remember that one serve is about the size of your palm. (This is much, much smaller than what most people consider a serve. Most people eat about 4 serves in one meal.. 600g steak anyone?)

    I think that red meat is a very nutritious food, and if you have no ethical objection to eating meat I would encourage my clients to try and have red meat a couple of times a week.

    Re: Couple chooses to sue doctors for not diagnosing down syndrome? That makes me furious. I am pregnant with my 3rd child and I had my down syndrome scan last week.. anyone who has had a scan before will know that they give you a risk such as “1 in 15 700″ or “1 in 400″ it never says your risk is “0 in 400″. I am certain it would be the same overseas.

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  3. Anonymous

    Re – the ‘wrongful birth’ story

    When I first heard of this case in the media, the reporting seemed to suggest that the couple had undergone only a screening test (such as an NT scan), and when I heard that they’d gone ahead and sued after discovering that their child had Downs Syndrome at birth, I thought they seemed foolish for not knowing that NT results are not definitive by any means. It seems from what others have posted here, however, that they actually had a CVS or amnio, and that the results were botched, in which case I think they do have a case for litigation, given that what happened to them involved negligence on the part of their doctor and/or the lab who ran the tests.

    When I was 22, I fell pregnant with a baby boy (the pregnancy was planned). I had the nuchal scan, which appeared to show that everything was normal. It was only after I had the triple blood screen (which only picks up about 60% of cases of Downs Syndrome) that my results came back showing that my chance of having a baby with DS was 1 in 160, which is considered ‘high risk’ (particularly given that my age-related risk at the time was about 1 in 2500). My doctor tried to reassure me that the likelihood my baby had Downs Syndrome was less than 1%, so I shouldn’t be too worried, but somebody has to be the one in whatever, and unfortunately, I was that one… I was also told after a further scan that my baby had a heart condition that would mean his chance of surviving his first year of life was less than 40%. After being given only a couple of days to make a decision (I was only a couple of days away from the 20 week cut-off after which a ‘therapeutic termination’ can no longer take place), I made the agonising decision to end the pregnancy. This involved being admitted to hospital, enduring a 24 hour induced labour, and giving birth to my dead baby.

    It was one of the most traumatic experiences of my life, was followed by a lot of counselling, and is something that still haunts me, but I have no doubt that I made the right decision at the time. I was 22, halfway through my university degree, and with an unreliable partner who I would split up with two years later. I had also spent some time at school volunteering at a home for adults with Downs Syndrome, so had a fairly good idea what a diagnosis of Downs Syndrome meant and involved. At that time, there were also not the early intervention and educational programs that exist today, or at least I was not aware of them.

    In all honesty, I would say my decision was about 50% what I believed was best for my baby and 50% what I believed was best for me. My thinking was that the world is a difficult enough place to live if you have a minor difference, like big ears or red hair, let alone a serious chromosomal abnormality like Downs Syndrome. At the same time, I wasn’t willing to throw all the plans for my future away to look after a child who would need round the clock care and attention, especially at the age of 22… I do, however, have an enormous amount of respect for those parents who have made a different choice and raise children with disabilities with so much compassion and care.

    I do get angry when I hear people say that they would never terminate a pregnancy if they discovered their baby had a chromosomal abnormality such as Downs Syndrome. The fact is that over 90% of Australian women and couples faced with this choice do decide to terminate (and I have four friends myself who’ve made the same decision). It’s very easy to say you wouldn’t make a choice that it’s very unlikely you’re ever going to have to make… And I don’t think it’s fair to judge this couple or their actions unless you’ve walked in their shoes.

    As another poster said below, it’s easy to judge the choices made by others when you are cuddling a healthy baby…

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    • Kate

      Anon – I am so sorry for your loss, what a awful experience you had to endure. I also had to give birth to a baby at 24 weeks (although very different circumstances, I went into pre-term labour when pregnant with my second child and nothing could be done to stop it). I think you are very strong to have made such a difficult decision at such a young age.
      x

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  4. Nat

    Publishing details of Defence classified missions is putting the safety of those member’s involved at risk…But I guess anything to sell a newspaper or have someone read an article online, right?

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  5. Kate O

    The term ‘wrongful birth’ makes me feel sick to my stomach.

    I have no idea the couples situation but I think when you decide to have a child that comes with many unknown expenses, who knows the baby may have become ill a week after birth, a terrible accident may have crippled the child for life. Millions of familes cope with much worse than this. I truly hope they donate some of the money to sunshine home or something similar to help all the other families who struggle day in day out.

    I could never do what they have done, I know that for sure. I would feel as though I was betraying my child. I would rather suffer financially than feel that guilt for the rest of my life.

    I hope they truly do love that child and give her/him a wonderful and fulfilling life.

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  6. Hazelsmum

    Harvard study = another misappropriation of funding to keep another bunch of useless academics in tenure. The article clearly states that this study was done by getting participants to fill out a survey every 4 years about their eating habits. Sure it sounds impressive, lots of people, 28 odd years, but the flaws in this kind of research are simply too numerous to mention. In fact I would go so far as to say that you have a better chance of predicting your death by reading horoscopes. If only journalists were educated enough about sound scientific process that they could intelligently fail to report this crap, then maybe some real research could get a mention. End rant.

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    • Kate O

      As a Journo student, I would love to learn about how to read and interpret scientific papers and reports… maybe we can do that instead of the million useless subjects that I am drowing in debt for!

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  7. Kate

    Eat red meat, you are low in iron. Don’t eat red meat, it will kill you.

    Sigh, will we ever do the complete right thing?

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  8. Mel

    The Greens should be run out of town for their attempt to shut down the voice of the people.

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  9. nourishedlife

    “And if the red meat was processed, like in a hot dog or two slices of bacon, that risk jumped to 20 per cent”… because these contain the cancer causing sodium nitrates! This is why the ONLY bacon anyone should ever eat should be Certified Organic which guarantees that it is free of these dangerous chemical nitrates. It took me a year to find an Aussie farm that makes safe bacon, it is possible.

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    • Siobhan

      Ooh – could you share where you get nitrate-free bacon?? I’ve been trying to source it everywhere too!

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      • nourishedlife

        This bacon is incredible. They raise their pigs like cattle and they are certfied organic 100% natural and Australian. YOu can buy it from good organic stores and deli’s as well as online http://www.pastureperfect.com.au

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        • Siobhan

          Thanks so much! Can’t wait to try it! :)

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    • ClaireC

      I think you will find that it is to do with the animal proteins in meat and nothing to do with whether or not they are organic that is the cause of the cancer. The “safe bacon” will cause cancer just as much as the non organic bacon.

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      • Nourishedlife

        The 20% increase for processed meat and bacon is due to the nitrates

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    • Kate

      I have been looking for nitrate free ham for years.. and the other day I found it! K.R Castlemaine have released a nitrate free ham!!

      http://www.krcastlemaine.com.au/naturals.html

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  10. ladybird73

    I thought that was what the SAS did! Like, the whole darn POINT of them – sneak around in foreign lands, doing shady stuff for the greater good. Maybe I’ve just read too many novels.

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    • Daniella

      That’s what I thought too!! To just sneak in under the radar of international governments, ignore international laws and boundries and get shit done. All for the greater good.

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  11. Tallulah

    Goddammit. I love meat.

    I know this is kind of me being defensive and in denial, but what is it about red meat that leads to those numbers? I mean healthy, fresh, free rage, whatever, obviously processed meat is a bad idea. But surely there are a hundred reasons why people’s chances of dying early increase. Rah.

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    • Susan

      This is NOT the definite answer – but there are some theories on why red meat is not so good for us in large quantities.

      In terms of anatomy we display much more similar digestive systems (and teeth) that goes with being a herbivore. This means a longer digestive track to break down cellulose from plant matter. Carnivores (like cats) and true omnivores (like dogs) have shorter intenstines, which prevents meat from rotting or letting bad bacteria sit around for so long.
      Eating meat is a relatively recent thing for humans – which provided energy and nutrient dense food at a time when getting enough food was a struggle. But now, with our long lifespans, we may just not be designed to eat so much of it, so it increases our chances of developing bowel cancers etc.

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    • JaneD

      It’s the animal protein that’s the problem not whether it is organic or nitrate free etc. Same stats are coming out about dairy and cancer. Plant based diets reverse and prevent heart disease and chronic degenerative illness. Forks Over Knives movie http://www.forksoverknives.com/ presents the doctors evidence some of which goes back to the 1940s but was suppressed because of the meat and dairy lobbying power in the US Govt!

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  12. lcmiss

    The story of the wrongful birth case makes me mad, and sad and want to give their daughter a massive cuddle.

    I understand that caring for a disabled child is a huge financial, social and emotional burden to carry through life. However it baffles me as to how someone could stand up and publicly state that they would actually rather their child not exist.

    How can we as a society fight for Disability rights and anti-discrimination towards disabled people, if we also support the idea that a disabled foetus should (or rather, has the option of being) terminated?

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    • ladybird73

      Now they can afford to care for their daughter and I am sure they will be careful about how she hears about where the money came from.

      The two things – disabled rights and elective termination – are not the same.

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      • MsDovic

        As the parent of a child with Down Syndrome, I can tell you she costs me no more to support, raise (and love) than any of my other children. She will probably cost me a lot less in her teens than my boys will.

        There is the consideration of long term care but there are no guarantees that my sons won’t be relying on me for support in the long term either, or that she won’t be able to support herself for the main.

        I know nothing about the case so don’t want to judge, but if they chose to have a baby (and despite the fact they had tests to ensure the baby didn’t have a chromosomal error, in which case they are warranted to sue on basis of wrongful results) there are no guarantees that the child wouldn’t have had another disability, a premature birth, a mental illness or be a major drain in another way etc.

        I am completely pro choice – but this story still astounds me.

        Females are considered a financial drain in some countries too. Would be ok to sue on the basis that they didn’t realise they were having a daughter to terminate in one of those countries?

        I don’t want to over simplify but, bloody hell.

        My 7 yr old is spunk rat by the way. Just incase anyone was wondering :)

        PS And I didn’t know til the birth.

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        • MsDovic

          I also posted the above comment before reading some of the comments below, which shed additional light to the specific case. And of course, cost of healthcare in the US (significant in any number of possible scenario’s).

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      • lcmiss

        Disabled rights and elective termination are not the same things, but they are certainly not mutually exclusive either.

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  13. amyintheworld

    Re: wrongful birth case. I can completely understand the couple taking action. Taking care of a disabled child, especially a child that needs high levels of care, would cost a lot, and while we all know there’s more important things than money, money would still be needed to give that child a decent life! If they were unprepared and needed financial help that they couldn’t get elsewhere, suing is understable.
    My fiance and I have spoken about this for when we have kids… as it stands now, we both would want to terminate – but you can never know until you’re in that position.
    I remember there was a case awhile back (I think in Tasmania, I remember reading it in the Mercury) about a woman who was suing the doctor who had performed her hysterectamy. She fell pregnant afterwards and was now suing. Her son was about 16 at the time, if I recall. I think there may have been other details involved… like that the original surgery had other affects (Effects? I always get those two mixed up!) on her. But THAT story seemed a bit harsh… her son was perfectly healthy, and she sued years after the fact… he was plenty old enough to understand what was going on. I don’t know if she won though…

    Re: Meat and early death. I understand it was a big study… but how could they be certain that it was meat that caused the earlier deaths? Patients could have easily lied about what they ate (they may have eaten far more meat than the recommended portion size of card-size piece, or they may have drank more alcohol). Even if they were totally honest, how could the researchers be sure it was meat alone that caused issues, and not a mixture of things? Big call to make, perhaps…
    However, I thought we already knew that too much red meat consumption wasn’t the best diet? I don’t really see what’s new about this study, to be honest (and also, isn’t bacon technically white meat? I thought pig meat was all white meat?). We try hard to eat a variety of meats – we always have chicken, kangaroo steaks and mince and fish in the freezer, and usually lamb or pork chops too (they’re our lazy food!). My fiance is a carnivore so we tend to have meat every day, although I prefer having at least one vegetarian meal a week. I always understood it to be that you’re meant to eat red meat three times a week, but perhaps I’m going off old nutrition tips from when I was a kid!

    Lastly: I think Karl Lagerfeild is a bit of a tool. I always have, to be honest. His comments do not surprise me in the least.

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  14. Guest

    The couple did not ‘win’ 2.9m. They were awarded it. Big difference.

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  15. b

    Quite apart from the funding issue, what’s really bugging me about the Thorpie comeback is that we’re not hearing anything about any of the young new swimmers who have been working so hard for their chance at being “multiple gold medalists and multiple world record holders”. All we’ve seen in the advertising for swimming so far is Thorpie – where is the support for our younger athletes? I think they deserve our support too.

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    • May!

      I so agree with you b! I want to hear about the new talent.

      I read on the Courier Mail website that Stephanie Rice only received one tenth of the funding Thorpie did! She won how many gold in Beijing? If my memory serves me, Ian Thorpe didn’t win much in Athens. Maybe that funding figure is exaggerated but I can’t help feeling like Thorpe was a great athlete, but he had his time in the spotlight. We’re spending all that money on an athlete who will definitely re-retire after London, whether he wins a medal or not. Why not spend it on an up and comer who could be here for 2 or 3 more Olympic games? Give Thorpe, Tricket and Klim a mic and let them commentate. Time to move on and invest in fresh talent.

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  16. Lana Elise

    Re: the wrongful birth case – there is a great Jodi Picoult book called ‘Handle with Care’. The plot synopsis is here:
    When Charlotte and Sean O’Keefe’s daughter, Willow, is born with severe osteogenesis imperfecta, they are devastated – she will suffer hundreds of broken bones as she grows, a lifetime of pain.

    As the family struggles to make ends meet to cover Willow’s medical expenses, Charlotte thinks she has found an answer. If she files a wrongful birth lawsuit against her ob/gyn for not telling her in advance that her child would be born severely disabled, the monetary payouts might ensure a lifetime of care for Willow. But it means that Charlotte has to get up in a court of law and say in public that she would have terminated the pregnancy if she’d known about the disability in advance – words that her husband can’t abide, that Willow will hear, and that Charlotte cannot reconcile. And the ob/gyn she’s suing isn’t just her physician – it’s her best friend.

    Handle With Care explores the knotty tangle of medical ethics and personal morality. When faced with the reality of a fetus who will be disabled, at which point should an OB counsel termination? Should a parent have the right to make that choice? How disabled is TOO disabled? And as a parent, how far would you go to take care of someone you love? Would you alienate the rest of your family? Would you be willing to lie to your friends, to your spouse, to a court? And perhaps most difficult of all – would you admit to yourself that you might not actually be lying?

    It’s a great book that really makes you think
    xx

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    • ash

      I absolutely loved that book, and love all Jodi Picoult books. So true x

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    • Anonymous

      Agreed, the book is amazing.

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    • Brittany

      Loved this book and all jodi picult books. Really makes you cry

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    • Stella Young

      As someone who actually has severe Osteogenesis Imperfecta, I hated Handle with Care. My mum hated it every bit as much as I did.

      Aside from a swag of inconsistent medical information, it just wasn’t a fair look at life with OI. Crappy bones and a crappy life are not the same thing.

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  17. Anonymous

    I am a new Mum and can’t imagine anyone wishing their child had never been born, for any reason. I can imagine though that the overwhelming protective instinct we all have for our children must go into overdrive when you unexpectedly learn your child has Down Syndrome. When I read the article my first thought was that perhaps the parents have gone down this avenue in order to secure a compensation payment for their daughter so she can be well cared for if/when something does happen to them. We all know we’d run in front of a bus to protect our child, maybe the shame of this trial is their bus?

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    • Pseudo

      Yes.

      I hope their daughter is able to understand the complex nuances here. I agree that this was likely the case – medical care in the US is so expensive – but it would still be shattering to hear that your parents brought this case.

      Most likely, the daughter will understand the basics of the case. I hope dearly that she also understands the more complex motivation.

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      • Anonymous

        I don’t think anyone can judge unless they are faced with those same circumstances. Easy to say when you are cuddling your healthy baby.

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        • ash

          Agree. We’ll never know what goes on behind closed doors.

          At the end of the day the money awarded will make this little girls life better, so it’s weighing up pros and cons.

          Maybe they will be able to explain to her that ‘Mummy and Daddy had to tell a lie so we could get enough money for your treatment’ ?

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  18. chances

    I have a severely disabled child that happens to have down syndrome.We re about to celebrate his 16th birthday.

    I almost miscarried him when I was 12 weeks pregnant.An ultrasound showed a healthy baby.Another ultrasound at 20 weeks also revealed a healthy baby.

    He was born 4 weeks early small but healthy although he didn’t want to feed.He was a very sleepy baby.
    By the time he was 3 weeks old we had been to a city hospital and had a whole bunch of health issues thrown in our lap.The final kick was the Down syndrome diagnosis.Your child will be mild to moderately disabled.I remember mumbling over and over “I can live with that”.
    I went back to the small country hospital where he was born.Only to be told that “oh yes we suspected that”. They may have suspected my baby had down syndrome but they never documented anything.

    I cannot begin to describe the turmoil our lives have gone through over the past 16 years.Had I thought about it or been able to sue it may have given my son and my family a better quality of life instead of having to fight so much bureaucracy along the way.

    To this day I cannot say what I would have done if I was told I was expecting a child with Down syndrome.Those of us with the knowledge know that the degree in disability varies so its not an easy choice.

    My sons life is a happy one but I am sad that he was thrown so many curve balls as he has grown.His life will never be normal and nor will mine.However,we do what we have to do and just get on with the job at hand.

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    • MJ

      If it helps, I think you’re doing an awesome job! Being a carer and a mother in one is not an easy role, and fighting all the red tape in our system is enough to drive anyone crazy. Keep on keeping on lady!!!

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      • chances

        Thankyou.Its supportive friends family and sometimes strangers like yourself that give me strength to get through everyday.

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    • ladybird73

      Thank you for sharing your story with us.

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      • chances

        You’re welcome :)

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    • Serena

      You sound amazing!! My mum does volunteer work for a down syndrome association and always says it’s harder on the parents. Your boy is lucky to have you xx

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  19. Anonymous

    You know what, im really okay with the negligence action of that couple. How can any of us really judge their actions until we’ve walked a mile in their shoes? Caring for a disabled child, for the rest of their life is a huge commitment. Perhaps part of the reason they would have aborted were things like financial difficulties and they knew they wouldn’t be able to give he/she the life she deserves. So if it takes a negligence action to give the child that, why should they be frowned upon for their actions?

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  20. Anon for this

    Re: The Down Syndrome lawsuit.

    I went into my pregnancies, after a lot of discussions with my husband, that if the Down Syndrome tests came back positive, we would terminate the pregnancies. Of course I would choose a healthy baby if I was given an option. How many times does one hear, “I don’t care if it’s a boy or a girl, as long as it’s healthy!”.

    The couple in the story did have a Down Syndrome test done during pregnancy and the lab botched it. The article linked above is quite brief; other articles give more details. The test was done and analysed incorrectly, and the doctor told the couple that the baby did not have any chromosomal problems. Further along in the pregnancy further tests were done which showed that the baby may have Down Syndrome but the doctor told the parents not to worry about it because the earlier (botched) test showed all was OK. The jury awarded the couple the money based on a series of negligent actions. And if that had happened to me, I’d probably sue in those circumstances as well.

    It’s not as if the parents don’t love their child. Of course they do, now that they’ve seen their daughter and bonded with her. One of my dear friends has a severely disabled daughter who has a chromosome missing. She is 16 and is like a two year old. She can’t walk. She can’t talk. She wears nappies and will for life. She has round the clock care as she suffers from epileptic fits and regularly stops breathing. My friend loves her daughter. But she says she wishes every day that her daughter was normal and healthy, and that she absolutely would have terminated the pregnancy if this problem was picked up in utero.

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  21. Martha

    “I don’t like it when anybody says anything bad about anyone – I don’t like it. ”

    Really? Madonna always seems to be very clear when she doesn’t like someone.

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    • ladybird73

      Really? I cant remeber her saying bad stuff about anyone! Gimme some examples please? I’m not attacking, just interested – I would have thought Madge was far too self involved and also far too umm political to comment on others negatively.

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      • Martha

        Sorry for the delay ladybird, I’m in another time zone.

        http://thatgrapejuice.net/2011/09/quote-day-madonna-slams-lady-gaga/

        try to watch the video where she receives flowers from a fan, so funny.

        Having said that, I seem to remember her always making a lot of derogatory comments, but maybe that’s more to do with me though, after looking at a few videos she’s not all wrong.

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  22. Daisy

    @ John James… I don’t know what they are doing and why and as Joe bloggs public I do not feel I need to know everything our forces are involved in as I expect there are people judging those choices with access to the full picture, I feel increasingly cross with the notion that via the papers the general public needs to ok everything.

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  23. Anonymous

    I have such an issue with the couple suing and winning their case in regards to their daughter. Medicine is a science, science is not 100% accurate. If she would have been born 50 years ago where technology to even test for Downs wasn’t available, this case would never have even been thought of, no matter possible.

    I understand that they perhaps weren’t expecting a Downs child but sometimes life doesn’t turn out how we’d hoped. I think perhaps, they need to take some time out and read Kelle Hamptons blog, specifically this post – http://www.kellehampton.com/2010/01/nella-cordelia-birth-story.html

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    • Amanda

      That post is so beautiful. I’m bawling!

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    • Valerie

      LOVE her blog!

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    • Anonymous

      My goodness. Thank you so so very much for the link to that beautiful, beautiful story. Wow.

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    • Anonymous

      I think there was more to it than just one test, the doctor was negligent and failed to inform them of further results.
      Those tests come with a warning that they are not totally accurate, I think it was a series of mistakes that led to the lawsuit being successful.
      Having said that, I’m a nurse and the constant fear of litigation shits me no end. There are a few cases where it’s warranted, and they are usually involving the swiss cheese effect – all the holes in the systems lined up to cause a massive mistake. The outcome of which are often system changes so it never happens again.
      Or occasionally a grossly negligent ‘what were they THINKING’ cock up.

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      • alyssakt

        I think there’s also the possibility that someone extremely pro-life may have deliberately withheld the results in line with their own beliefs and agenda. (But of course that is just an idea, not fact.)

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        • Anonymous

          That’s a massive conclusion to jump to. I find that idea really abhorrent and I would hope there are very very few medical professionals who would ever put their own personal views above those of their patients with that kind of premeditated intent.

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        • Sharon

          I very highly doubt that. Health professionals work to a code of ethics. We don’t purposely put ourselves in risky positions.

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    • Jaz

      *sobs* what an amazing beautiful heart rendering story! I have a son on the autism spectrum… I can so relate to the journey her mind and heart travelled! But to put into words like that…!

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    • Kerr

      That post is beautiful, thanks for posting the link.

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  24. Denise Duffield-Thomas

    Hasn’t Thorpie made his own money from endorsement deals? Why would he by “crying poor”?

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  25. Jay

    Although I don’t know what I would have decided if I was pregnant with a downs syndrome child to say they would have aborted after she is born just feels wrong to me.

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    • Anonymous

      I agree.

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    • Rebeck

      From reading articles that actually cover the arguments used in the case, it seems that the only way they could sue for the costs of Kalanit’s ongoing care (keeping in mind the healthcare system in the USA) was to bring a “wrongful birth” action, thus requiring them to argue that they would have terminated the pregnancy.

      eg: http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2012/03/portland_couple_sues_legacy_he.html

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      • Jay

        Ok yes I understand that may be the case and yes that money will make raising their child easier but to say you would have aborted your child after they are here doesn’t sit right with me. No amount of money would make me say those words.

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        • Aunty of a severly autistic boy

          Do you have a disabled child that needs specalised medical treatment at an ongoing cost?? It’s all well and good to be on your high horse about this but what if you literally had nothing in the bank and had huge medical bills coming in weekly?? The USA don’t have a Medicare system like we do and remember a child with a disability needs 24 hour care which makes holding down a full time job very difficult. A severly disabled child can’t just be dropped at your local abc childcare down the road. I have 3 kids and although I wouldn’t be thrilled saying those words I would do it in a second if it meant they were fed, clothed and well cared for.

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          • Jay

            Love that giving an opinion is called getting on your high horse. Yes I do have a child with a disability that is why I feel so strongly that I would not do what they have done or say those words. Every child is a blessing and I believe we were chosen to care for our special child. I too fight for funding for things but it does not involve wishing my child had never been born

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  26. Faybian

    Why, oh why do couture designers open their mouths? Does he really think people buy her albums/see her sing for her size and how she looks in clothes? Get back to your sewing boys (and girls). That’s what you DO do best.
    I hope the girls with downs never finds out about the win by her parents. It sends an unpleasant message.
    It would be interesting to find out why we have troops in africa. I hope they stay safe regardless.

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  27. I need my head fixed

    I saw the picture of Adele and the first thing I thought was “shes a but chunky”. I then read maddonnas comments, and realized my god I need to change my way of thinking. Its scary my automatic first thought was to Judge her wieght. Rather disgusted in myself.

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    • Anonymous

      That’s actually a relatively bad photo of her, she’s actually gorgeous.

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    • Anon

      How does she look chunky? Her waist looks totally slender to me.

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  28. Daisy

    I hate reading reports about Sas forces like the one above, it literally feels like I’m putting someone’s life at risk for some journo that thinks he is a clever dick blowing the story. Similar to the Australian mag that reported on prince Harry when he was serving…. Soooooooo helpful

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    • Em

      Agree x 1000 with you on this.

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      • B.B.

        Yep, same. All newspapers care about is selling papers though, who cares about national security?

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    • I hate hearing about WHAT our SAS forces are being used for…aren’t you disturbed by the nature of the work they seem to be doing…? I am. It feels like we’re crossing a murky line from being a country prepared to defend its own borders to one that is becoming more comfortable in working clandestinely in other countries…I know there may be a reason for this, but it still makes me feel uncomfortable…

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      • Kris2040

        I don’t think their activities are necessarily new, it’s the reporting of them that is.

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      • lucindainthesky

        I think we are starting to see ourselves more as part of a global community and not just one country in a bubble these days, and therefore not everything we do has to have something to do with us. Like assisting in Afghan and Iraq. People go knowingly and willingly into certain careers knowing there are major or minor risks every day and the SAS is just one of those. I am more concerned about the integrity of the mission being compromised than anything else. And the risks to the people involved after a leak like this – though I’d like to think we have only gotten false information. “hunting for terrorists” seems a bit vague and scary. Maybe they are just collecting information about them. In any case, working at ground level is the only way there’ll ever be a chance that places like the Congo find peace. Wouldn’t that be nice?

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    • An Idle Dad

      I think there’s a reasonable amount of difference between saying there are some unnamed, unphotographed Australian soliders in four countries most people can’t point to on a map, and reporting our crown prince’s exact location and unit details, including photos, in a well known war.

      Also, partially agree with James. I’m cool with secret missions, these soliders are either soliders or spooks. At the moment they are in a legal limbo, and our soliders deserve better than that.

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      • No e in Tracy

        I think that spooks or spies, as you call them, have played a role since the beginning of time. The individuals who go into that line of work do so will a full understanding of what the risks are. I don’t believe the general public is entitled, or even always needs to know everything that happens. The work they do is in the shadows and I don’t know how we ensure that the people choosing the missions are doing it for the right reasons, but I don’t think this type of reporting helps us achieve that aim. I do know that our SAS forces have are held in extremely high regard around the world and that we need them out doing what they do. The decision to commit full ground forces and be part of an occupation force is an entirely different kettle of fish.

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