Not you, in some cases. An Australian breast cancer survivor is challenging the right of four US biotech companies to hold cancer gene patents because it means they can control the testing. American company Myriad Technologies owns the patent for the breast cancer gene mutation BRCA1 which is a solid indicator of a woman’s likelihood to develop the cancer. Some 80 per cent go on to form breast cancer where this mutation is present. The ABC reported:
“Outside court, breast cancer survivor Yvonne D’arcy said she was worried about a slippery slope when biotech companies start to own this material.
“I’m just hesitant about somebody owning a part of me, or you, or anybody else,” she said.
“I don’t believe that it’s right.”
The United States company has told the court that its scientists identified the sequence and have the right to own it.
The government authority that grants patents over genes has previously argued that banning patents would threaten innovation.
Rebecca Gilsenan from Maurice Blackburn says companies should not be able to patent genes.
“Patent law is intended to protect inventions, not discoveries,” she said.
In the US, the gene test costs around $3700 due to the patent.
Forget thongs, now tattoos are banned at pubs and clubs
New South Wales has taken a fixation with banning visible body ink in the police force even further. Now some licensed venues have decided they want tatts out of the picture. News.com.au quoted one Double Bay venue owner: Andrew Stanway, owner of dining spot and watering hole Mrs Sippy in Double Bay, made no apologies for the sign on his door: “All body art is to be covered and not visible to the naked eye.” Mr Stanway said the policy was to keep out “riff-raff”. “With some tattoos, people can be of a lesser persuasion, if you like. We don’t want the riff-raff, we don’t want the crap. I’ve watched too many places get ruined because of that. I’ve worked too hard for that.” A sign at the Australian Hotel and Brewery in Rouse Hill reads: “NO Visable (sic) Tattoo’s (sic).” The two-year-old pub only enforces the policy on Thursday, Friday and Saturday nights and also bans “gangs or gang clothing”. What say you?
Major school funding report is released
And it has some huge recommendations. Proposals that would cost $5 billion … in 2009. The Government has refused to commit financially at this stage but it says it has its ‘sleeves rolled up’ and is willing to help. Read our cheat sheet here for all the details.
Kevin Costner’s moving Whitney eulogy, ex storms out
The memorial for Whitney Houston was held over the weekend with an array of stars turning out to say goodbye. In attendance were Oprah Winfrey, Elton John, Alicia Keys, Beyonce Knowles, Reverend Jesse Jackson, Stevie Wonder and her cousin, Dionne Warwick. Ms Houston’s legendary mentor, the Queen of Soul, Aretha Franklin, was unable to attend because of illness. But it was Kevin Costner’s tribute to the fallen star that left the room on its feet. “Whitney returns home today to the place where it all began and I urge us all inside and across the nation and around the world to dry our tears, suspend our sorrow, perhaps our anger, just long enough to remember the sweet miracle of Whitney,” he said. “The Whitney that I knew, despite her worldwide success and fame, still wondered, ‘Am I good enough? Am I pretty enough? Will they like me?’ It was the burden that made her great, and the part that caused her to stumble in the end.” He closed with a message directed at Whitney: “Escorted by an army of angels to your heavenly father, when you sing before him, don’t you worry you’ll be good enough.” Houston’s ex-husband Bobby Brown stormed out of the church after his entourage was asked to move out of the seats reserved for Houston’s family. The funeral was broadcast live on the Internet.

Whitney Houston
The most powerful person in the Australian media is…
Not a media mogul. But, then again, Australia’s Minister for Broadband, Communications and the Digital Economy Stephen Conroy does have a lot of the media at his beck and call as he attempts to change the media landscape, for better or worse. The Australian wrote: “Rarely have the planets aligned in such a way that a politician has the chance to shape an industry for at least the next couple of decades. Most previous communications ministers have merely overseen the administration of media law; Conroy is in the seat at the height of the digital revolution and gets a chance to re-write it. Should the media in the digital age be regulated more or regulated less? The answer is in Conroy’s hands.
How many billions of dollars can be raised from the sale of redundant analog spectrum to telephone companies? Conroy will find out at auction. Should SBS be rescued from its financial plight by taxpayers? Should the ABC get more money to fund its digital adventures? Conroy will decide.” And that’s to say nothing of the multi-billion dollar National Broadband Network which comes under his jurisdiction. That might explain why Conroy beat Channel 7 boss Kerry Stokes and News Corporation head Rupert Murdoch who fell into second and third place respectively. The first woman on the list, at number 23, is editor-in-chief of the Australian Womens Weekly Helen McCabe who beat Gina Rinehart, herself in 28th spot.
Mental illness disorders set to rise as definitions redefined
A team of psychiatrists are re-defining what constitutes a psychiatric disorder in the redesign of the 1994 Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM) which set the gold standard for who had what condition. But there are multiple concerns with the upcoming redesign which could lead to increased diagnoses with some conditions and diagnoses with others taken away; and the funding and therapy funding that goes with them. Proposed changes include offering an extra six symptoms – one of which is the tendency to ‘not think’ before doing something out of the ordinary – which could potentially relate to a child having Attention Hyper Deficit Disorder (ADHD). Where previously they needed 12 of 18 symptoms that now becomes 12 of 24. Experts fear it could lead to another boom in diagnoses with many ‘waking up’ with a new disorder. On the other hand, changes will likely lead to the dramatic decline in the number of Autism Spectrum Disorders diagnoses due to a tightening of the criteria.
Will there be a leadership challenge in two weeks?
That’s the word on the street, the latest pronouncement in a long line of Federal Labor leadership speculation. The most recent flare up in the tensions took place after a video of Kevin Rudd swearing during a private moment trying to record a message when he was Prime Minister. But for the first time Labor MPs have spoken out publicly against their Prime Minister Julia Gillard. Marginal-seat-holder and Labor backbencher Darren Cheeseman didn’t pull any punches at the weekend. “There’s no doubt about it, Julia Gillard can’t take the party forward,” Mr Cheeseman told News Limited. “The community has made its mind up on her. Certainly it would be in the interest of (the) party for Julia to stand down and allow cabinet to select a strong candidate.” However, another Victorian Labor backbencher Steve Gibbons tweeted: “Only a psychopath with a giant ego would line up again after being comprehensively rejected by the overwhelming majority of colleagues. Rudd took us to a magnificent victory in 2007 on a well established policy platform after the caucus rejected Kim Beazley as leader. However, his chaotic and deeply offensive style of leadership since then gradually eroded the goodwill that caucus had awarded him. Federal Labor cannot afford to adopt the strategies of the NSW branch of the party in regularly changing leaders just because the going gets a bit rough.” It has now emerged Gillard has been urged to sack Rudd before he strikes first. Confused? Meshel Laurie writes for MM on this exact problem today. Have a read, share your thoughts.
Supermarket wars will rage with Costco plans
The US bulk-buy store Costco says it will spend at least another $140 million on store openings in Australia after the opening of the firs round of stores in Melbourne, Sydney and Canberra starting in 2009. It is believed a second Sydney site is on the cards as well as an expansion into Queensland within 18 months. Costco shoppers pay an annual membership fee of up to $60 to shop at the warehouse outlet, which specialises in household goods and food in bulk, and whitegoods, furniture, alcohol and even luxury items such as diamonds. Have you shopped at one yet? Did it do it for you?











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loving the gratuitous pic of Becks
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David Beckham has ruined a great body with those scribbles on his arms…
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Really love Kevin Costner’s eulogy for Whitney – crying as I watch this clip and hear of her doubts and fears about herself. Hearing this just reinforces how fame and money don’t necessarily bring happiness.
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A tattoo is a statement of some kind. Many people with tattoos are not worried by other people’s opinions. It seems to me that if you are happy enough about it to have it permanently marked on your body, then you presumably are fairly confident in that sense unless you are ina particular mental state such as grief etc.
Some who are, however, are sometimes people who got their tatts in their youth, which is why there is an age limit and why mothers of the world try to discourage them, usually. It is the pierced ear mother daughter argument of our time.
Even in this modern world it is still a badge of some kind. It is the observer who determines what it means to them rather than the wearer.
So some will think it cool and others will think it vile, and some won’t give a toss.
There are dress codes all over the place which is fair enough. It does bring up the discrimination angle however when we are talking about customers, not staff.
Anybody who thinks that most of us do not judge people on their appearance all the time, are a bit naive, I think. We have read so many articles about judging people by their size, their hair colour etc. We even have whole articles making fun of “bogan” names. OK, you would have to be wearing a name badge for that but we do it all the time at the supermarket etc and the person wearing the badge didn’t even choose their own name.
I try not to be judgemental but fail miserably when it comes to tattoos. I have never met a person I consider classy ( by my own totally subjective standard). who has a tattoo even if it is a discreet little butterfly or whatever. Sorry, but to me that says “stupid”. Fortunately, the wearers of these tattoos couldn’t care less what someone like me thinks!
Mothers know that sometimes these things come back to haunt you!
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I really really hope that someone who has tattoos (even a little indescreet butterfly) does not read this and come to the belief that they are not and never can be ‘classy’. It’s such a disappointment that some people may feel this way.
Classy (to me) is not all about what someone looks like on the outside, it comes from the inside, it’s how someone acts and treats others.
My husband has tattoos and he is without a doubt the classiest most generous, thoughtful and loving person I have ever met.
People with tattoos are not made of stone, I assure you some will care what others think.
Don’t judge a book by its cover.
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I agree with this. I have a sleeve and quite of other tattoos and also work in a very senior role for a large resources compay. It’s amazing how people can go from havig the upmost respect for me, to treating me like dirt when they find out I have tattoos.
It wouldn’t be such an issue if people stopped letting it be. I’m the same person wether my tattoos are covered or on display, nothing changes!
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Anyone seen the photo that was doing the rounds on Facebook of the grey haired man with the long grey beard? In one photo he is covered in old style tattoos, all over his arms. In the other photo he is dressed as Santa, no tattoos visible.
See you can’t judge a person from their tattoos!!
I have five of them. Am university educated, was an ex primary school teacher and now work in a highly professional environment. All can be covered but I don’t cover them specifically for work. It doesn’t change how I do my job.
The problem with the pub/cafe is not the people with tattoos it’s alcohol itself.
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Someone may have already said this but another example of the same thing, Anthony field the blue wiggle
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One of Michael crichtons last books, “next” was about the gene patent thing. The implications as told in his story are very scary. After my surgery, I donated my tumour and some blood for DNA to a private foundation, but I would be very unhappy if any new treatment regimes as a result of my donation were used for profiteering. The lack of ethics shown by this company are breathtaking. If this is what mankind has come to…….
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The reality is that no company is going to invest the billions of dollars to develop new drugs or diagnostic unless they have exclusive rights to sell that product for a set period of time (that’s why there are patents). It would be great if that type of development was funded by governments and was not-for-profit but that will never, ever happen. If there were no patents, such as the one covering the *use* of the gene to predict breast cancer risk, then there would be no new drugs or diagnostics. Would people really prefer that no company had the patent and the test was not available?
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I get that companies, even biotech ones, need to be able to make money, but when that patent results in price gouging, or perhaps restricted access to treatment, then I feel it’s wrong. It does seem absurd to be patenting something naturally occurring. It’s not like you can own the gene.those of us that donate to science hope (and I do speak for myself) that any discoveries made as a result of our donation will be used to help others, not just a company.
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You are completely right, you cannot get a patent for a gene that is discovered, only for an invention around how that gene could be used (giving specific examples and backing it up with experimental data demonstrating that use). I don’t know the details of the breast cancer gene patent but I imagine it’s along the lines of an invention to use information about a person’s form of the gene to predict the risk of breast cancer for that individual. The gene itself is not an invention but a discovery. The patent is unlikely to prevent other people from researching that gene etc. I could be wrong, a patent attorney would know. Unfortunately, like almost everything, the price is set by what people/governments are prepared to pay rather than what is “right”. You can bet it differs between countries, etc.
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I love the fact that those hotel owners would clarify me as ‘riff-raff.’ University educated, currently studying for a Phd, earn a decent living, regularly donate to charity, and I volunteer my time in a children’s reading program. I’m quiet, and respectful, and if I do go out with friends I’ll have one gin&tonic – maybe two, if I’m having a big night out! And yet, because I have a number of visible tattoos (on my arms), I’m judged as likely to cause trouble. As a petite and very girly 5’3, I can see why Mr Stanway deems me a threat to his establishment!
Oh, and “No Visable Tattoo’s”? Don’t worry Rouse Hill Australian Hotel and Brewery: with awful grammar like that, heavily tattooed me will be avoiding your establishment like the plague.
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Couldn’t have said it better
. Apparently bad grammar doesn’t make you riff-raff though. I wonder if doing a doctorate and having four degrees would cancel out the ink on my arm? Ah stereotypes, gotta love em.
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Just another one…. AS IF that pub wouldnt let David Beckham in if he rocked up tattoos and all…
‘Oh sorry international football superstar with oodles of cash, not with those sleeves…’
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The patents on genetics really worries me. As the article says “Patent law is intended to protect inventions, not discoveries”. The costs of obtaining patents is huge, so it is no surprise that if a company holds one they want to profit from it. But the idea of profiting from genetic code just seems wrong to me.
If they discovered it, surely they have all sorts of insights that others wouldn’t be immediately available to everyone. They have the ability to develop tests and treatments, but competition being stopped is terrible.
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Costco is a magical place of dreams and raainbows, the need one in adelaide!
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Really? It left me cold. I went twice and ended up spending lots of money on stuff we didn’t really need. My house isn’t big enough to store 3 months worth of toilet paper, even for a family of 4
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I’ve just finished reading ‘The Handmaid’s Tale’ by Margaret Atwood and for some reason when I hear about the banning of tattoos, signs going up etc, I get chills. Not sure why, it all just sounds a little ominous to me…
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Unfortunately you may find that connection with a lot of things in society now you have finished the book.
I read it 6 years ago, and it still resonates.
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Lara Bingle has a tattoo on the inside of her arm dedicated to her Dad. Is a pub, cafe, whatever going to kick her out because of a “wish you were here”. I also have a few butterflies for the same reason. Any pub, cafe, whatever that kicks me out because of a picture is a place I would choose not to frequent anyway. Racist, sexist epithets are in bad taste whether on a t-shirt or in ink.
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“A sign at the Australian Hotel and Brewery in Rouse Hill reads: “NO Visable (sic) Tattoo’s (sic).” ”
Haha – I love it when we get such a telling example of the intelligence of the type of people making up these rules!
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I just can’t wait until tattoos aren’t so ‘cool’ anymore and are relegated back to being the ‘scrag tag’ they once were. My mother has a tattoo that she got in later life and I HATE it – I ask her to cover it for any extended family gathering. It’s so disappointing seeing all of these beautiful people with this ugly ink all over them. Save it for the walls. I don’t mind cafes banning them at all and I hope the statistics for people getting them go the way of smokers!
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As someone who has a tattoo I don’t think of those without tattoos as disappointing or less than beautiful … your words are more ugly than ink.
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Just to clarify – I think the people are still beautiful but the ink is ugly. And I think it’s disappointing that people need to do these things to themselves that are as permanent as plastic surgery – either you have the ink or the scar.
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Well people might not like your hair colour, clothes you wear etc – ey arent going to ban you are they?
And to compare it with smoking. Ink on skin does not affect the enjoyment of your coffee…..
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As they say, “the difference between people with tattoos and those without, is that people with tattoos don’t care if you have one”
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My mother used to ask me to cover my back tattoo regularly until I told her to back off. It made me feel that she was ashamed of me and didn’t like being seen with me/associated with me when I went to the beach etc. is this how you want your mother to feel? If not, back off. It’s her body. Are you going to say at her funeral. “loved her, but hated her tattoo”?
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You know what Faybian? I’m not ashamed, but I am disappointed with her decision. I do equate defacing your body permanently with something as trivial as a passing fad a silly thing to do. It ends up looking terrible as you age and something that seemed important at the time is often not a few years down the track (or like my friend who had a butterfly on her stomach say that it resembles road kill now that’s it’s stretched, flat and scarred after her kids!).
I’ve seen too many friends (including my mother who now regrets hers) regret their decision about the ‘cute/edgy/lovely/funky/it means so much to me’ tattoo a few years later, only to have to spend thousands of dollars to get it removed and still be left with a scar. I adore my mother, but hate her tattoo.
My mum and I are quite open with each other and she knows I don’t like it, so asking her to cover it up is no suprise to her. At least your mother was being honest about her dislike of your tattoo. Sometimes we are ashamed or disappointed in the decisions our family members make and that’s life. At her funeral, would I mention her tattoo? No and that’s a ridiculous thing to suggest.
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I know my mother was honest enough to tell me what she thought. We have a pretty open relationship.
I guess I think it’s a bit insulting of you to tell your mother what to wear etc.
Why be ashamed of what someone else does? You haven’t done it. My kids have done things worse than get a tattoo and I’ve been upset with them, or angry, but I can’t control every thing they do. I’m probably not explaining well, I just don’t understand your attitude.
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Yeah I would be ashamed of myself being so mean to my mother asking her to cover up and family gatherings..
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Yes, but tattoos don’t harm anyone else but the person who has them (temporarily), they don’t cause cancer, emphysema and lung disease and they don’t add to the public health bill. And they don’t smell.
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Yay! I <3 Costco so so much! Great quality products, heaps of local produce
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I wont be renewing my costco membership, it is not all that great, and because everything is in bulk, you drop huge amounts of cash easily, so you have to budget for that, a lot of the food is crappy foreign frozen stuff (thai -malay farmed prawns for instance, and sometimes the food like frozen salmon filets are only packaged in Canada, not grown there, I found the salmon unedible….Costco – great if you have four teenage boys who eat you out of house and home, bad if you like quality food.
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There is a Costco due to be built in North Lakes (just north of Brisbane), I wish it was nearer to me because I would be there like a shot.
The big 2 supermarkets here rip everyone off. I go to Aldi for basics, my local veggy shop for fruit/veg and then when I am desperate for the things I can’t get there I go to Coles. Even then I walk around and buy all the cheap specials!!
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Same here: Aldi for basics (and coffee pods!), grocers/IGA for vegies, groceryrun for non-perishables and Costco for the rest. They have fantastic pasta, arancini, meat and bagels!
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As an employer it is your right to choose how you want your company portrayed. You provide the job, the uniform and guideline son how your staff should look. Unfortunately many people do not like tattoos and look on them as “riff raff” badges- cited above. Imagine if you went to a four star hotel and the waiter had tattoo sleeves like Beckham, showing under his crisp white shirt, what would you think?? The majority of people do not have tattoos so would not like it. If you have tattoos maybe it would be acceptable to you.
Think if your Prime Minister, MP or Lawyer had them, would you also then think it was a good look?
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Absolutely! Have you noticed that Michael Clarke is wearing long sleeves when he plays now that he is captain? He is in a respectable position and needs to look the part.
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He also prances around in his underwear for Bonds. Show us your underwear, but don’t even think about showing us your tattoos?
Double standards, I’m thinking.
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His underwear is covered when he is representing his country, so should his tattoos.
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Ever thought that he covers them to protect them from sun damage and not because he’s pressured to?
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Hey Lu
I think Clarkie had always worn long sleeves, way before he was captain.
Checked with husband first for clarification.
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OK, I assumed he was trying to stop looking/acting like a bogan, because his piercings seem to have disappeared too. Good on him for trying to earn some respect since the previous dramas in his life.
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I took that story to mean that customers with visible tattoos are banned.
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“Imagine if you went to a four star hotel and the waiter had tattoo sleeves like Beckham, showing under his crisp white shirt, what would you think??”
I would be too busy focusing on the fact he looks like David Beckham…!
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If a fireman or a cop arrived to pull me out of a burning car, I’m hardly about to say, ‘Look, honestly, I’m sure you’re very well trained but you look a little rough to me. Is there someone else with no tatts handy?’ Same goes for a barman. If he can pour a glass of wine, I’m happy.
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I dont really care either way – havent we all been young once?
I’d rather have a tattooed, polite and efficient waiter/bartender/liontamer than a nuff nuff without
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I hope Rudd takes his job back just so I can see that smug smile stripped from Julia Gillards face. For some reason that woman just irks me.
I personally don’t understand viable tattoos, whether you like it or not the majority of people are going to judge you because of them. This makes me think people with visible tattoos are attention seekers which is generally never a good thing.
I would be interested in the new ‘mental illness guidelines’ as I am particularly amused by people who self diagnose and use mental illness to explain things like ‘bad parenting & laziness’ My in laws are a great example.
Lastly this is going tone harsh but can we please stop talking about Whitney Houston’s death. Lets stop making her out to be some inspirational hero. She was a drug addict, drug addicts die early because of drugs. Case closed.
Hehehe just realised how full of generalizations this post is….
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wow you’re a ray of sunshine!
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Hehehe I thought the same thing myself after I posted my comment. Promise I am usually quite chipper & up beat.
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I think that the assumption that people who have visible tattoos are attention seekers is a bit out of touch. Sometimes it’s the complete opposite.
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Haha! Are your in laws my in laws?? Queens of the self diagnosis! In the last 5 years My sis in law has diagnosed her and her children as either bi-polar, schizophrenic, ADHD, autistic and azburgers!!!! Then uses it as an excuse to teachers etc as to why she has horribly behaved children!!
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I think someone running a business is entitled to determine what sort of image they want their business to project. Cafes, restaurants and bars full of people covered in hoodlum ‘jail house’ tattoos arent going to be considered an upmarket safe venue and people will choose to avoid them. Like it or not most people do consider there is a huge difference between a discrete tattoo that can be covered up and tattoos that cover peoples limbs and necks. Sure they might be lovely people but they look scary and often are an indication of the way they will behave after a few drinks.
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All the cafe’s I frequent have staff with visible tats, and they’re all very popular and I guess you could say upmarket (and known for their friendly service)
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I run a business and am thinking of putting up a sign banning Maoris, and other Pacific islanders. My reasoning is as follows:
With some Islanders, people can be of a lesser persuasion, if you like. We don’t want the Maori riff-raff, we don’t want the crap. I’ve watched too many places get ruined because of that. I’ve worked too hard for that.
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Is your comment tongue-in-cheek?
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Oh yes, sorry, it was tongue in cheek – I used the exact quotation by the hotelier from above : )
Regardless of whether you choose to look a certain way or not, the assumption that you will behave a certain way *because* of the way you look, and that you should face different rules as a result is intolerable in our society. What if you replaced “Pacific Islander” with “geeks” or “goths” or “bogans” or “Muslims”? It’s just as unacceptable.
@Alibee – thanks for that correction, I wasn’t aware of that!
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If your comment is meant to be tongue in cheek, the analogy doesn’t really work. Maori and Pacific Islander people don’t have a choice that they are born Maori or Pacific Islander. People with tattoos have chosen to get them.
Also – saying Maoris with an ‘s’ is like saying sheeps.
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I think it works perfectly! It’s highlighting the fact that stereotyping a whole category of people in reaction to a small portion is absolutely ridiculous!
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That’s not fair to judge people based on whether you can see tats or not. I like to think I am a very kind, caring and helpful person that always puts other first, helps anyone who needs it etc and I have visible tats. I work in commission based sales and earn a good living because I am good at my job regardless of my tats.
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Lots of high schools have rules about their students not being allowed to wear piercings, have visible tattoos, boys with hair beyond a certain length, hair to be a natural colour etc..If people wish to apply such a grooming standard to their venue they are, just like the schools, well within their right to. Just as people are well within their rights to go somewhere else if they dont like it.
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Tattoos are obviously not much of an issue in schools because you need to legally be 18 to get tattoos (without parental permission).
I think it’s completely out of touch to assume a persons character based on whether they have tattoos or not…. especially about what they are like after a couple of drinks.
Assumptions about what people are like purely based on their looks is offensive and leads to all sorts of misconceptions.
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Really? You think people with tattoos behave in a way that is worse than those without tattoos when they’re drunk? What are you basing that on? That’s utterly ridiculous.
That is such a narrow little world view you have there.
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Not a narrow little view at all….lots of places have dress codes. No singlets, no thongs, collared shirts only, no shorts. No visible tattoos is just another dress code. The point being missed here completely is the people who own these bars and restaurants wouldnt be introducing this dress code if the people with large visible tattoos werent causing a problem. In this economic climate anyone who turns a paying customer away obviously has good reasons to do so.
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I’m not arguing with you about dress codes Lu I’m commenting on your ‘but they look scary and often are an indication of the way they will behave after a few drinks’ statement.
Tattoos not being part of a dress code – fine. They are a private organization, they can do what they like.
Using tattoos a an indication of someones potential behavior or personality is what I have an issue with, I think that is ridiculous and suggests you exist in a tiny social sphere where people with tattoos are all criminals or ‘undesirables’ who get really drunk and rowdy when they go out because of the ink on their skin.
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MJ, most people in my ‘tiny social sphere’ who actually live in a wide range of areas consider tattoos to be a bogan stamp. You would be niaive to think that many people think otherwise.
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Yeah superficial people…
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Geez, you should see me drunk and I am tatt-free, ha ha
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Reading through the comments on news.com.au in regards to the tattoo story, I’m disgusted by the fact non-tattooed people think it’s acceptable to call tattooed people “ugly”. I don’t see tattooed people going around offending non-tattooed people by calling them “ugly” for having clean skin.
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I don’t think they’re calling the people ugly, I think it’s more that the tattoos are ugly…
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If someone called my tattoos ugly I would consider that a personal attack. Those tattoos are inked into my skin, thus are a part of me. Call my tattoos ugly, you’re calling me ugly.
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I think sleeves can be very sexy. Not so mad for face tattoos but aren’t we past making assumptions about someone’s character based on their body art or piercings?
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We are not passed making judgements on people due to their size, so why would we be because of tattoos???
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Um, no!
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Why is everyone with a tatt the bad guy? I’m as clean as snow fall in the winter but I love tatts on other people. I think they can be great and no indicator of the content of anyone’s character. Grrrr.
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Say you owned a bar and someone walked in with a t-shirt with “Hilter was right, kill the Jews” written on it, would you say “Let’s just wait to see how he behaves with a few under his belt” and “that t-shirt is no indicator of the content of his character”?
Tattoos are different from race and gender. Tattoos are chosen, they are art, they are designed to express a meaning, so you can use them to judge the content of someone’s character.
The police force approach was that visible tattoos should be assessed (not an outright ban) – I have no problem with that.
Bouncers at pubs have always used dress codes of any kind to enforce who can enter and who can’t. I’m guessing, like always, well off ladies and gentlemen with visibile tattoos will get past the bouncers, while others might not.
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I fail to see the correlation between Hitler killing millions of Jews, and people having tattoos.
How often have you seen anyone with racist tattoos? For the most part (probably 95%) tattoos are of animals, portraits, flowers or of Japanese style.
My tattoos have very little meaning behind them, so they’re not a fair judgement of my character. I have an owl, a Dia De Los Muertos skull, Medusa and a dragon. What does that say about me? It says I like that type of imagery, but in no way shows to people my personality, or if I’m possibly a trouble maker.
People should not be pressured to dress differently just because they have ink on their skin. Boycott such places and they’ll learn not to discriminate.
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Ive seen plenty of dog whistling racist tattoos. As much as it is a pity, a Southern Cross tattoo is generally a racist tattoo. It certainly raises flags of caution, especially on Australia Day or other days of heavy drinking.
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Well then, perhaps it’s actually the alcohol that is the problem and not the tattoos.
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Agreed, so lucky they’re being stopped from walking into a pub!
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I have tattoos and I don’t drink. But according to their rules I would be denied entry before they even knew that.
Having tattoos does not make someone a trouble-maker. The sooner people stop discriminating, the better.
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Like I said, I’m sure the bouncers will apply the rule inconsistantly. Like they do every dress code rule.
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I completely agree with you Stacie. I can’t believe that this sort of thinking about tattoos still takes place in 2012!
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I agree with Idle Dad.
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Idle Dad, have you heard about the Hitler Internet Law? It devalues the conversation.
The likelihood of people having that tattoo, or a similarly offensive one, is slim.
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You’re referring to Godwin’s Law. And you’re right.
Replace the Hitler T-shirt with a Fuck Off We’re Full t-shirt. Plenty of those around.
That t-shirt is not context free, or message free, it’s not just meaningless art and it does reflect on the owner.
Just because tattoos are permanent, doesn’t make them meaningless.
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Ummmm a large majority of tattoos are actually meaningless…. Gasp!
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Really? None of mine are. Why would you get a meaningless tattoo?
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My partner is a tattooer (i hate to wonder what the cafes would think of him!) and says that the large majority of people who come in have no idea what they are getting and absolutely do not have a meaning behind it.
People get things based on imagery… not what it represents.
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Ummm … if someone’s tattoo literally spelled out what their world view was, then I wouldn’t need to interpret the tattoo to see how I felt about them.
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How about we simply judge people by how they behave, not how they look…how difficult is that to understand?
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JJ, I think visible jailhouse-style tattoos can be a reliable indicator of how somebody is likely to behave. OTOH, tattoos are *so* common that a wholesale ban is daft.
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I disagree. I have friends with ‘jailhouse’ style tattoos, facial, neck, hand, head, tattoos and they’re lovely people.
Judging someone’s character on their taste in art is a bit ridiclious.
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What are ‘jailhouse-style’ tattoos?
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That’s what I call the kind of tattoos that look like someone got them in prison, or just after getting out. Sometimes it’s very dodgy poor-quality ink-work that looks like it was literally done in prison. Other times, it’s just a question of the location/type of tattoos – e.g. if someone has a spider tattooed on their neck, I’d be wondering.
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All seems pretty shallow and sheltered and elitist to me.
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You know.. I just re read what you wrote again. I am really shocked by how judgemental you are! Someone with a spider on their neck has just got out of prison?
I think you’re either really judgemental, or you haven’t really been exposed to many different types of people in the world.
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“Someone with a spider on their neck has just got out of prison?”
No, it’s a question of the *style* more than anything – just doesn’t help that the only time I’ve seen that kind of thing is on very dodgy people. Generational issue as well – I’m probably older than you, & before tattoos became so trendy that everyone & their accountant had one, ink choices did have particular meanings for the people who chose them.
(* Or am I being shallow & judgemental when I use the word ‘dodgy’ to describe a pantsless drunk guy yelling abuse at strangers on Smith Street?)
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No Lulu, you’re just being shallow and judgmental by putting every other tattooed person in the same category as that “pant less drunk guy yelling abuse at strangers on the street”.
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I think you’re being irrational associating one tattoo on one man with an entire population of people.
I am in my twenties. Tattoos are extremely common, they don’t mean anything about your character. Judge people by their actions and words not what they look like.
Anyway agree to disagree. I have a huge problem with any kind of prejudice and that is what you’re showing.
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Every third article on this website is dedicated to ensuring you look ‘acceptable’ (well, you if you were a woman).
You should leave that comment under each one.
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I don’t quite understand what you mean by this Idle Dad?
Are you trying to say that the articles on make-up and skin care fuel these assumptions?
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There’s a huge amount of concern within the Autism community because of the DSM- V, especially for those with High functioning Autism and Aspergers. How many people are going to not be able to access vital support if their disability is not recognised just because they want less people to be diagnosed with autism?
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I have a friend with two high-functioning autistic daughters. Changing the definitions could be the end of any support they receive. Not fair. I’m not liking what I’ve been reading about the new diagnostic manual.
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It seems Bobby Brown just can’t help acting like a dickhead, even at his ex–wifes funeral. I’m amazed he had the hide to turn up at all, considering the part he played in her downfall.
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If Labor have another leadership change, I will definitely not vote for them. How well can they be Governing the country if they can’t even be united on this?
What is with all this focus on the leader? They’re supposed to be a team, with the PM as a captain, not using them as scapegoat after scapegoat. If they go through with a leadership challenge, I think they’ll regret it..
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I work near the Costco in Sydney, it’s great to be able to get brand-name groceries at a decent price. I get my toilet paper, laundry detergent, deodorant, toothpaste etc from there and it shortens my weekly shop because the non-perishables are taken care of.
Their hot dogs and pizza are nice too, $2.49 for a hot dog and drink with unlimited refills.
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Mental illness re-defined, so set to raise? Can I put a bet on in ten years, vaccines will be linked to a rise in mental illness?
Or are they already? I can’t keep up with the kooks.
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Really? What scientific studies have you read that make you believe this is the case?
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You’ve missed my point… LOL.
There will be NO scientific studies linking mental illness to vaccines, I’m saying AVN will link it though.
“Look, mental health issues are rising! We know what caused that, right? *Wink* If only we’d eaten whole foods, these problems could have been avoided”
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Oh dear, I should have had my coffee before replying as my irony meter wasn’t working! Sorry, now I get it
. Speaking of coffee, perhaps I should be switching to de-ionised organic decaf, processed by monks with dowser sourced water.
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Anything that shakes up the Woolworths and Coles duopoly is a good thing.
Depending on their prices, I’d definetly pay $60 a year if the value was there. Space for bulk foods I’ve got. Money, not so much.
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I have friends who go down regularly. The buy the toilet paper, tissues, laundry powder, all that crap in bulk, as they are a huge family.
The toilet paper is the same as Kleenex Cottonelle so it’s soft on your toushy, and it’s much cheeper than what you would spend at the supermarkets.
And they have cupcakes bigger than my hand . . .
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It’s funny how my family’s shopping practices have changed. Ten years ago we would have gone to Wollies, that’s about it.
Now we get all our meat from a local butcher. When we go grocery shopping, we go to Aldi’s first, then across the road to Woolworths for anything we can’t get at Aldi. Just around the corner is a fruit and veg shop that’s getting a very good reputation and smartly run, so we’re thinking about splitting out fruit and veg from the standard shop again!
Although we do pay more for some things because of perceived ethical or quality differences, overall we spend less.
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The Costco store in Glasgow used to do a roaring trade in their bakery goods too. Massive birthday cakes and huge platters of muffins, cookies and things like slabs of carrot cake etc.
Brilliant for birthdays, parties and office cake days…so reasonably priced.
Costco please, please, PLEASE come to Perth!
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@iamevilcupcake – I’m pretty sure they are just called cakes ; )
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Unfortunately it is not Coles and Woolies who will suffer. They will just force lower wholesale prices on their suppliers in order to retain their current margin while reducing shelf price.
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I’ve been to CostCo twice whilst on holiday in Canada and it’s great, love it! Can’t wait for it to come to QLD. Fantastic bargains, well worth the $60 annual fee.
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The Gonski report’s findings have allocated an extra $5 billion to education, the vast majority of it is going to government schools!
The Labor goverment is internally in tatters at the moment with the immature tussle over the leadership, however they are to be commended for taking measures to make education more equitable.
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We’ll be reporting the full recommendations – and context – when it’s released today.
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I haven’t seen the article yet, but Peter Garrett’s response is SO disapointing.
I can now unequivocally say what would get me to vote for the Liberal Party despite any concerns I have about Tony Abbott: If they backed the recommendations on the Gonski report, I’d vote Federal Coalition for the first time in two decades.
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Any chance you could post Kevin Costner’s eulogy here?
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I just posted the YT video in here if that helps. It’s a long one but well worth the listen.
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I have learned a lot about Kevin Costner over the weekend!! Didn’t realise that he was the one who came up with the idea and then insisted that Whitney sing ‘I will always love you’ and start in the silence and the then no music…he might make rubbish films but he sure knew his stuff with her. Maybe he should become a manager! Great respect for him…& sad for her, she clearly couldn’t handle fame but there is no halfway mark it seems…
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The whole labour leadership this is really irritating. Forget it Rudd you stuffed up gillard is in. Let her finish her term and then let Australia decide. It seems all about egos and not what is best for the country.
On a visit home went to costo with a friend and truly fell in love with the place. Wouldn’t buy all my groceries there but there are definitely things that make it worth while.
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