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gossip What the surveys DONT tell you about gossip

 

 

 

I do it at home. I do it at work. I do it at parties. I do it in the bathroom. I even do it on my own. I gossip. And so does almost every other woman. But it seems the gravity of these conversations is being underestimated.

This week, a UK study revealed that the typical woman yakety-yaks for about five hours. Every. Single Day. I don’t dispute this.

But it’s what this survey doesn’t say that really has me reaching for the phone for a good goss. The research claims women spend most of their precious chit-chatting on shopping, diet and exercise, holidays and what we would do with a lottery win. Yawn. I’m bored. No, wait, I’m shocked. Actually, I’m angry. Women are smarter than this.

So, I called the company responsible – First Cape – only to be referred to spokesman Steve Barton. That’s right, a man. I spoke to Steve for half an hour about what he thought women like to talk about.

Now, I told Steve in a very polite fashion that I’m no bra-burner, but I found it disappointing that topics such as career, politics and finance don’t cop a mention. He said these topics “sunk to the bottom of the list”. Huff. So who the hell answered these questions? Six-year-olds?

Two thousand UK women filled out this online survey from a population of almost 68 million. So it polls less than half a per cent of their total population. And yet, it’s gone global – picked up by everyone from the Indian Express to the Asian Age.

First Cape is a wine company targeting the powerful female grocery buyer with low-alcohol booze. Their survey is a cheap shot at getting their publicity wheels rolling. It worked. Girls were the target, made to look flighty, light, boring and dumb.

Gossip isn’t just about whether the boss farted or how much you hate your friend’s husband. Gossip – good gossip – binds the sisterhood.

There’s no doubt we natter about the little things. We’ve dedicated months to prattling about Pippa Middleton’s bottom, Pippa Middleton’s dress, Pippa Middleton’s romance with Prince Harry … but we also talk about life’s big issues – work, politics, school, interest rates, family.

Since school, my friend Katrina has been the cornerstone to every juicy yarn. A few months ago, she revealed one of our very modest friends and her husband were doing it tough on the money front. So, we’ve been pitching in. Dinners, shouting her brekkie, taking her kids to the zoo. If Katrina wasn’t such a gossip, we’d never have known. Good gossip does prevail.

Sure, a lot of gossip is toxic. Perhaps that’s why men steer clear. They like to call it “networking”.

But good gossip is a rollercoaster of emotions peppered with meaty debate. Female conversation isn’t dull, irrelevant or basic. We’re rather uniquely gifted at being able to seamlessly argue over the latest government antics and the price of nappies all in the same breath. We should be proud of the issues that matter to us because every voice counts. Every conversation counts.

Do you classify the conversations you have with your friends as gossip? How important is gossip to you?

Alissa Warren began her career answering phones for Steve Price at 2UE in Sydney and then went on to report news.   Two years later she moved to “A Current Affair” and  was lucky enough to interview everyone from Elle Macpherson to Australia’s dodgiest termite inspector. Alissa’s currently on maternity leave from Nine’s Sydney newsroom

 

 

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43 Comments so far

  1. AJS

    I love this quote from comedienne Kathy Griffin: ““I can never understand on the Real World, when they’re saying ‘Y’know what? If you have something to say to me, you need to say it to my face.’ ….. I’d rather wait till you left the room. It’s more freeing for me. And, I can be funnier. So can you move it along?” and also “I was raised right, I talk about people behind their backs…it’s called MANNERS.”

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  2. Michelle

    My red flag question on whether or not something about someone, who isn’t present for the conversation is gossip, is … “Am I part of the problem or the solution?” If not, then it’s gossip and not something I want to engage in, so I either change the topic or walk away.

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  3. dressyu

    Have just come back from a girls weekend away – so this made me think and then laugh…for 3 days we joked, we talked, we drank coffee (lots!), we watched movies…but gossip for 5 hours??? I’d like to think that the level of our conversations went beyond what is termed here as ‘gossip’ ie shopping, diet and exercise. I’m from the UK orginally, but what with this survey and the recent riots I’m thinking of becoming a full blown Aussie !

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  4. ipomenscarlet

    How utterly bizarre:

    A few friends and I had our inaugural, “Ladies Who Prefer Not to Gossip Club,” just last night!

    We started with a few personal anecdotes, gave each other advice about tricky gossip related situations, and then hit the anthropology of gossip really hard.

    It’s surprisingly complicated and goes beyond the female bonding stereotype.

    When we got sick of that, the Ladies gave amazing insights into what the hell happened during the London riots.

    We talked about Syria and the Arab spring and all sorts of other newsy, chunky topics.

    At the end, we had a debate over which women’s charity we wanted to donate 10 bucks per attendee to.

    And we ate junkfood!

    Just a great night.

    Here’s a link to my favourite anthropological analysis of gossip. It’s surprisingly accessible:

    http://spinningstories.wordpress.com/2009/08/28/an-anthropology-of-gossip/

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  5. mel

    i think there is such a fine line to ‘gossip’ arent we just interested in what every one else is doing, its not so bad. I had a friend who just found out she is pregnant and she was complaining about all these people were trying to ‘friend’ her on FB.

    SO I thought no its lovely everyone loves babies and baby stories it just brings people together – nope to her they were all just wanting to gossip, really?

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  6. archie

    I personally define gossip as sharing information about a third party that they would not want me to know or share.

    If it was info they would be happy to share if they were with us (marriages, great new jobs, babies) then that’s news.

    If I’m talking to my friends about ourselves, then that’s just having a chat.

    I love a chat!

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    • ladybird73

      YES! Couldn’t have said it better myself.

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    • Moodie Foodie

      Absolutely! I too think of gossip as something that is said behind someone’s back and it’s usually not nice. Talking about each other’s love lives, children, work, house rennos, what’s happening on the latest reality tv and yes, politics and international current events is just conversation and a good chat. I too love a good chat.

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    • Cordeline

      Yes! That’s kinda what I was trying to say below, but you said it much better than me :-)

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    • dkmum

      I’m completely with you on that note too!! Well put!
      And no, we don’t gossip either, we ‘share news’ as you put it, and dicuss finances, all aspects of parenting and personal woes and triumphes.

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  7. Petal

    Reminds me of a sticker I saw once – I NEVER repeat gossip. So listen carefully.

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  8. lauren91

    As if men don’t gossip! You should hear my dad’s golf group – they’re just as bad as their wives who are in Mum’s bookclub!!

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    • Haven Maven

      Men are totally bigger bitches than women!!

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  9. WillaWay

    So why did Mamamia report the crappy survey without checking anything about it? Don’t journalists have any responsibility for checking the validity of their content rather than simply reproducing press releases to provoke comment?

    I did a poll and found that the average time spent on grooming was 90% of waking hours, while 100% of respondents thought males were pains in the butt.

    DId I mention I polled my household pets? Who cares? Women Spend 90% of their Waking Hours on Doing Their Hair. P.S. They hate men.

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    • Emilie

      Bahahaha! I just polled mine – 50% say they want more dinner, 50% say they hate surveys!

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  10. Cordeline

    For me, the word ‘gossip’ has a bit of a negative meaning. Not always in an over-the-top way… just perhaps something that you probably shouldn’t be discussing with anyone else but are doing it anyway.

    I think of gossip as a piece of information that is still (supposed to be) a secret. The information might one day become public news but until it is, it’s something that might be gossiped about. So-and-so is pregnant, is looking for a new job, is dating someone from the office, has too many wines at lunchtime…

    Some gossip can be harmless but some can be so damaging to other people. I can safely say I’m good at quickly being able to decipher one type from the other and prefer to stay well away from gossip that could harm someone else or put me in a difficult position at some point.

    Therefore, I don’t consider the day-to-day stuff I talk about with my friends as gossip. If we are chatting about a new cafe, shoe shop, holiday plans, upcoming social gathering, current fave movie etc… that’s not gossip in my mind. It’s just sharing and comparing information. Like the guys say ‘networking’ :-)

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  11. Joanna

    Would love to know what percentage of men’s conversations involve sport or debates over the best route to take to get somewhere. We all spend some time talking rubbish, it isn’t just women. My friends and I are all SAHMs and we very rarely discuss celebrities, diets or hair removal – there’s just too much other stuff to talk about. :-)

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  12. Bradley

    Might I say that I was shocked to read that you were referred to a spokesman for the company who happened to be a man. That’s right ! A man !

    Everyone knows that you were referred to a spokesperson…who happened to be a man.

    Stop reading polls ! Apparently it is bad for one’s blood pressure.

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  13. Bradley

    Perhaps the wrong people were polled ?

    When you don’t hear the answer that you wish to hear, ask someone who agrees with you. Problem solved.

    Perhaps if the company should go and re-poll right people ?

    I never believe that Cleo or Who Weekly get it right with their Batchelor of the Year and Thirty Most Fascinating People issues, just for the record.

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    • ladysarah

      It’s spelt ‘bachelor’ actually, and can you explain why you disagree with it?

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      • Bradley

        Thanks for correcting my spelling.

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        • ladysarah

          Why do you disagree with it though? Is it because you think it should be more personality based? I’m actually genuinely curious to know.

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          • Bradley

            I take “Best of” contests sponsored by magazines with a grain of salt. It is with the same grain of salt that I take random polls that become news articles. They are there to provide short term entertainment for a targeted audience, not be taken seriously.

            Certainly, I wouldn’t be prepared to give up 30 minutes of my time to question the results of any light-fluff “who or whatever of the year” competition or survey/poll. Those who do, well, good luck to them. If that’s how they get it out of their system, that’s fine.

            I choose to roll my eyes.

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  14. Lu

    It can be helpful at times though…listening to locker room gossip at preschool stopped me from letting my 4yo go home with a mum who would always turn up for afternoon pickup drunk……did my own investigating and it was true.

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  15. Janey

    What gets me most fired up is when men get together, they too have chit chat sessions about all manner of topics (including – shock, horror – talking about other people) and yet, it’s mainly women who get labelled as gossipers!

    I only consider my conversations with others ‘gossip’ if we are talking about another person in a way that we wouldn’t if that person was there with us or if talking about a topic which is based on second hand info or info without the facts. The rest of my conversations are equally as valid as any conversations held between men. Even if some of the topics are considered innane by some that doesn’t make them ‘gossip’.

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    • Free Human Being

      That’s why there are all those manly gossip mags.

      Divergence much?

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      • Janey

        Umm, personally don’t actually read gossip mags so not sure what your point is?

        I’m just saying that women tend to be labelled as gossips but I know plenty of men who are also up to the task.

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        • Free Human Being

          My point being that if men as a cultural normative actually gossiped to the same degree as women and had the same interest in other people’s private lives then there would be equality on the gossip mag front.

          As there isn’t it is a fairly accurate indicator that the market wouldn’t bear such media because men don’t gossip anywhere near the degree that women do.

          Unless men are oppressed?

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    • Bradley

      I am 100% prepared to admit it. I love a good gossip.

      I never “network”. Networking implies that I might have to remember something of importance at a later date.

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  16. brizzy

    my mum always said that the difference between news and gossip is that gossip begins with “don’t tell anyone but…” the conversations I have with my friends rarely begin like that. We usually about our kids and their eating/sleeping habits

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  17. A

    I cringed when I saw the heading. Mostly because I made an almighty faux pas gossiping on the weekend and shall nowhave to pick up the pieces. If only I had gossiped about something trivial like the people who took the survey. When will I learn to think before I speak?

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    • ex

      Don’t you hate that. When the words are out, they are out : ) No going back.

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  18. scully

    The fact that so called womens conversations are labelled ‘gossip’, downplays what women talk about.
    To look at gossip another way as a manager in an industry that has 90% female employees, I have seen gossip used as a form of bullying, and needed to include a no gossip policy

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  19. hazelsmum

    Love this article. I agree that many in society, men and women alike, downplay and discount the conversations that women have. In fact, I think the labelling of those conversations has been a nice little mechanism to allow politicians, media and other institutions to ignore the powerful and intelligent voice that women really have. After all even if we are talking about the latest hollywood scandal, what we are really talking about is whether it is wrong or right and whether we would do the same thing, which rather than being ‘idle gossip’ is actually an ethical discussion. Not to say that all discussions are this serious, but then we shouldn’t underestimate the ability of humour to hold the fabric of our society together either…

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  20. Raraluna

    Actually if you look at the top of Mamamia at the sub-headings, that pretty much covers what most women talk about.

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  21. Raraluna

    While there is plenty of evidence that shows that women talk more, I am not aware of any credible research that shows that they gossip more. In my experience, men are just as likely to enjoy a good gossip. I love a bit of trash celebrity gossip myself, but I don’t talk to my girlfriends about it. Conversations with them tend to centre on family, work, daily struggles and wins, worries, food, hopes, dreams, politics and only occasionally weight, celebs, fashion etc.

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  22. Sarah

    I hate to admit it, but I think that there is some truth to this survey.
    When I’m talking to male friends, we talk about current affairs, politics etc. Talking with the girls, the conversation inevitably turns to our recent eating habits, new purchases, recent discovery of best place to get waxed..

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    • Swester

      But that’s not gossip, just conversation
      We tend to talk about different things with guys, well I do. I love sport but most of my girlfriends don’t so that is one topic I love to discuss with my man friends, especially my husband!

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  23. Anonymous

    Great Work Alissa
    I loved that you contacted the company and got to the bottom of this stupid survey

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    • Bradley

      According to what Alissa wrote, she spent 30 minutes speaking to a male spokesperson about the results of the survey. That’s 30 minutes of her life that she won’t get back because she disagreed with the results that were published and chose to follow it up. I tend to take the results of polls with a grain of salt.

      Bigger things to get upset about in this world ? Well….yes !

      I actually wonder if Alissa was outraged by the poll itself, the “results” of that poll or the fact that she was referred to a male spokesperson of the company that commissioned the nonsensical poll.

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      • cat

        I think Alissa is objecting to the fact that a company is perpetuating negative stereotypes about women in order to sell their product, and that the media takes this ridiculous poll as some kind of evidence of the shallowness of women. There was a story on Media Watch recently about how the media gives airtime to this kind of PR bullshit as though it’s factual news.

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      • Melissa J

        I wonder how many minutes you spend writing comments on this site because you disagree with what people are saying. Just a thought.

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  24. susan

    I love the conversations I have with my friends – they keep me grounded and sane. My husband hates talking about the things I talk to my friends to

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