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Ethicists who wrote paper saying abortion was no different to killing a newborn say sorry

It created a media storm that few were prepared for. Australian academics Alberto Giubilini, from Monash University, and Francesca Minerva, from the University of Melbourne, wrote a foetus and a newborn are equivalent in their lack of a sense of their own life and aspiration and therefore killing them would be the same as abortion. The pair were published in the Journal of Medical Ethics, adding to the philosophical debate. In their apology on the British Medical Journal blog, they wrote:

“We are really sorry that many people, who do not share the background of the intended audience for this article, felt offended, outraged, or even threatened.  We apologise to them, but we could not control how the message was promulgated across the internet and then conveyed by the media.  In fact, we personally do not agree with much of what the media suggest we think.

We did not recommend or suggest anything in the paper about what people should do (or about what policies should allow).

If we wanted to suggest something about policy, we would have written, for example, a comment related the Groningen Protocol (in the Netherlands), which is a guideline that permits killing newborns under certain circumstances (e.g. when the newborn is affected by serious diseases).  But we do not discuss guidelines in the paper.  Rather we acknowledged the fact that such a protocol exists and this is a good reason to discuss the topic (and probably also for publishing papers on this topic).”

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Bob Katter

Bob Katter’s ‘Australian Party’ releases homophobic campaign ads

Seemingly forgetting same sex marriage is a federal issue, and that Queensland’s LNP leader Campbell Newman pledged to repeal civil unions if he were to win the March 24 election, Bob Katter’s political party has released homophobic ads targeting the leader as ‘for gay marriage’.

The Australia Party’s Queensland leader, Aidan McLindon, says the ad is confronting and it is meant to be. “Campbell Newman has tip-toed on this issue and tried to say ‘yes I am for gay marriage’ on one hand, but then of course he gets all the Christian lobby groups and says another,” he told the ABC.

Carl Katter, the half brother of Bob, said he was concerned about the “damage this kind of ad can do”.

“He and rabble of bigots do bother me and I worry for the people that receive the hate that is incited by such ads,” he said on Twitter.

“They a using the politics of fear & hate to win vote. They truly are desperate to use such grubby tactics!”

- Carl Katter demands Bob Katter apologise to families of suicide victims.

Judge for yourself:

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Health Minister Tanya Plibersek

Subsidised breast screens for breast implant women

The Australian Government has announced it will allow the Medicare rebate to be claimed on breast screens for women whose doctors strongly suspect health concerns over PIP breast implants, which have been rupturing at alarming rates overseas.

The French government instructed women there have the implants removed after they were linked to higher rupture rates and a rare form of cancer.

But Health Minister Tanya Plibersek says the Australian Government is taking a more cautious approach.

She has announced that women who know their breast implants were made by PIP will be entitled to Medicare rebates for MRI scans to determine if their implants are structurally sound.

The rebate will also be available in cases where a woman’s doctor strongly suspects she has PIP-made implants.

“Every time someone has surgery, there are risks in having that surgery, so we’re not at this stage recommending routine removal,” Ms Plibersek said.

“We need to be cautious and we need to gather the data about whether these implants have a higher rupture risk than others.”

The latest figures on the TGA website indicate there have been 171 confirmed cases in Australia of the implants rupturing and 26 unconfirmed reports.

The sex talk needs to be had earlier

Research by the Commission for Children and Young People (CCYP) shows some 32 per cent of Year 10 students have had sex and around 40 per cent of sexually active teens don’t practice safe sex. The figures reinforce calls for parents to have the ‘one-on-one’ safe sex chat with their children before its too late.

Gregor Macfie, CCYP director for policy and research, said schools were doing an excellent job teaching sexual health to the majority of teens.

But the age at which information was given may need to be re-examined, he said.

“I think we do have to look at what age the messages are targeted,” Mr Macfie said.

“We need to build the message at the appropriate age. One of the things we have been thinking of is talking to them before they move into adolescence.”

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Obama condemns sickening soldier attack on Afghan civilians

The President of the United States of America Barack Obama has condemned an attack on Afghan civilians. An American soldier walked off his base early in the morning and opened fire on civilians in their homes. 16 were killed, nine of them children. He was arrested in the area.

The US Embassy in Kabul confirmed the incident, extending “its deepest condolences to the families of the victims of today’s tragic shooting incident in Kandahar province”.

“We are saddened by this violent act against our Afghan friends. Our thoughts and prayers are with the families and their entire community. US Forces are providing the highest level of care for those injured,” the statement said.

ISAF deputy commander, Lt Gen Adrian J Bradshaw, expressed his “profound regrets and dismay at the actions apparently taken by one coalition member in Kandahar province.”

“One of our soldiers is reported to have killed and injured a number of civilians in villages adjacent to his base. I cannot explain the motivation behind such callous acts, but they were in no way part of authorised ISAF military activity,” he said.

Japan marks one year since devastating earthquake, tsunami

The nation of Japan, especially those on the north-east coast, paused yesterday to mourn the loss of life after a large 9.0 magnitude earthquake unleashed a sweeping tsunami that struck the shore and wiped out entire towns on March 11, 2011. More than 19,000 people died and a nuclear emergency was triggered as the damaged Fukushima Dai-Ichi nuclear power plant approached meltdown, which was avoided after days of improvised intervention. This is how Mamamia covered the then unfolding crisis.

German tabloid ‘Bild’ ends front page nude girl

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Princess Charlene in Victoria

The naked girl might be a staple of low-brow tabloids around the world – think The Sun’s Page 3 girl which started in the 1970s – but Germany’s highest selling has decided to do away with its front page racy women for good. “It is perhaps a small step from the viewpoint of women,” the paper wrote in an editorial-style report. “But it is a big step for Bild and for every man in Germany.” It made the decision on International Women’s Day when it gave all female staff the day off. Some criticised the move as a belated grab for women readers as the tabloid fought to keep its dwindling readership.

Princess Charlene of Monaco visits Australia

And the scene of her first ever official visit was Melbourne and, later, Bendigo. The Princess was in town to open an exhibition dedicated to the life and fashion of Grace Kelly, the late mother of her husband, Prince Albert. She was said to have spoken for only a matter of minutes, and softly at that with nerves showing, but locals said she was a hit. Some 700 adults and children showed up to wish her well. The Princess, a former Olympic swimmer for her native South Africa, was last in Victoria when she was Charlene Wittstock when she won gold for the 100m backstroke in the 2002 swimming World Cup.

- Princess Charlene was recently married, an event that raised a few eyebrows including ours.

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Ian 'Turps' Turpie

Game show host Ian Turpie dies

Turps, as he was better known, succumbed to a year-long battle with cancer. He was most famous for his role hosting The New Price is Right but was a staple on Australian television and in the entertainment industry.

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  1. Anonymous

    I feel bad for the academics. I read their paper and it does pose some very important moral questions, but the fact is that these questions aren’t new by any stretch of the imagination. They were just jumped on by ignorant mob-happy idiots..

    Witch hunts suck. Especially when they involve such pathetic anti-intellectualism.

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  2. Z

    Bob Katter is a massive nut job o_O

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  3. Aiden

    Absolutely DISGUSTING!!! – The AD that is, NOT gay marriage. How the hell are there even people like him still in existence?

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  4. Frangipani

    Katter is really off the mark with that ad. He underestaimtes just how much of the population supports gay marriage. Many, many people don’t see it as an issue about sex or sexuality, they see it as an issue of equal rights. If there is one thing that is strong in Australian culture, it’s the concept of a fair go and equal rights.

    In one sense I understand that he is a product of his generation in being slow to wrap his head around the whole concept, but the only votes he will be getting with that ad are the people that were probably going to vote for him anyway, and now some of them will have changed their minds. If he wants to win more people over, he’ll have to do better than that.

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  5. Flutterby

    I phoned my local candidate today and they told me not only had they not seen the ad, they weren’t very happy about it as they’d not been told about it before release.

    It wouldn’t surprise me if more came out of this – maybe it’s just Bob shooting his mouth off? Leading a party is different to being a senator.

    I’d still give my vote to a Green or a Katter candidate because they’re the only ones who will stop the CSG and most of Queensland turning into a lunar landscape.

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  6. kirsten

    Very sad to hear of the passing of Ian Turpie. What a truly lovely man and a great entertainer. My condolences to his family and friends.

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  7. Geheema

    When I saw that homophobic ad I actually thought it was a joke.

    It will probably do more to promote Campbell Newman.

    What a way to sabotage your own campaign, Bob Katter!

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  8. archie

    Gosh, if I still lived in north Queensland I would be so glad that Katter pointed out that Newman is for gay marriage – it makes it so much easier to know to vote Newman instead of Katter! I’m thinking (hoping?!) this advertising may just backfire….

    http://the-accidental-housewife.blogspot.com.au/

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    • Jess88

      I live in North QLD and Katter lost my vote as soon as he voiced his blatant homophobia – hes a pig, yet a majority of North Qlders, sadly, fully support him.

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    • odette

      Campbell Newman says he will repeal the QLD Civil Unions legislation recently passed if he’s elected, so please don’t take Bob’s word for it!

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  9. Mimi

    Happy Monday!

    what a great video this is – makes you smile on a monday!:

    http://www.news.com.au/world/the-miracle-of-life-captured-in-90-seconds/story-e6frfkyi-1226296950301

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    • Anon

      Lovely! Though I can’t help but notice how the tattoo grows! Be careful where you put them ladies!

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  10. Cg

    Personally, I think the gay community have done themselves a great disservice by pushing the gay marriage debate. I think it has been a ‘marketing’ disaster that has set things back decades.

    All the general public are hearing is the foot stomping demands of adolescents who want something they can’t have and wanting it NOW.

    Insinuating that Katter is responsible for suicides of gays is as ludicrous as blaming womens magazines for girls who die of anorexia.

    Katter is stating his position unequivocally and in this day of politicians who bare face lie to the electorate, people will think it a breath of fresh air.

    I don’t find the ads outrageous or homophobic. One thing that does puzzle me is that ‘Christian groups’ are always blamed for opposing reform. Is it being backed by Muslim clerics?

    And what is this resurrection of marriage as the holy grail? If I meet a couple I never ask if they’re married or demand to see their certificate. I don’t think that their relationship is ‘less’ because they are de facto and I don’t think a marriage that is blessed by a church is worth more than one performed by a magistrate.

    Get over yourselves, gays. I want to concentrate on policies that affect the majority of Australians like food security, foreign countries buying up our agricultural land from under our nose, coal seam gas and the economy.

    What I’d really like to know is if Katter intends to reopen the Heiner affair and stand up for the rights of a young Aboriginal rape victim and shut down the shredders in the Labor party.

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    • Rick Morton

      Ah, that old chestnut. The one where we can’t focus on more than one policy initiative at once? Bogus. Of course we can. Our Government does it every day. All they need to do is stand up for an issue of equality and it’s done. Easy. But they won’t.

      And you say it has been a marketing disaster? That must explain why every single brand-name poll from Nielsen to Roy-Morgan and Newspoll shows the majority of Australians support same sex marriage, anywhere from 55-60+ per cent of all Australians. Little more than a decade ago that figure was averaging 45 per cent.

      So, again, how has this been a ‘marketing’ disaster? And more to the point, why must we market anything that has to do with the basic dignity we all come to expect from our shared humanity?

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      • Cg

        Ah, that old chestnut about ‘basic dignity’ and ‘shared humanity.’

        Firstly, Rick. let me point out – though why I should I don’t know – that I have no problem with gays. In fact I grew up with a beloved gay cousin who was nursed at home by my mother and grandmother when he died in the mid 80′s.

        My grandmother, who was born a hundred years ago, used to worry about how lonely he would be when he was old and I’m certain she’d have no problem with gay marriage but i do.

        And not because of any homophobia or religious beliefs.

        I know that they are decent people and capable of raising wonderful children – I have no problem with gay couples and I believe that they should have all the same legal rights as de facto couples.

        But I want to know where this movement is coming from and I want to know who’s behind it.

        In my rather extensive experience with homosexual associates, relatives and friends in my 50 odd years I have never once heard one of them mention their desire to be married. In fact they have laughed and mocked the straight suburbanites and their vanilla existence.

        This is nothing more than a social experiment being pushed by the far left. It’s also interesting to note that the other barrow they’re pushing is Islam.

        Gay marriage and Islam? Two more diametrically opposed causes are hard to imagine.

        Now why would that be? The answer is – to destroy Christian churches.

        You’d have to be born yesterday to not know that once gay marriage is passed they will drag the churches through every anti-discrimination court in the land.

        THIS is what the push for gay marriage is about and it’s being touted as the new, fresh cause celebre for the cool kids who love a cause – been there, done that.

        Never have I heard the details of what gay marriage would entail. It is a debate that can’t be had without them.

        And just because you say it’s simple and the right thing to do doesn’t mean it is.

        The only reason the polls are reflecting those numbers, Rick, is because on the surface it is a no-brainer and people don’t have the time to look at in detail. That’s why the great rush is on – get in before the people work out what’s really going to happen.

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        • Rick Morton

          As soon as you equate pushing gay marriage to pushing Islam, your argument becomes invalid. What on Earth? Moderate Muslims and Christians have no problem with gay marriage. But you can bet I disagree with any religion that thinks same sex marriage is ‘disgusting’. The fact of the matter is, Christianity is the main religion in this country and the most vocal opponents of same sex marriage have been far-right Christian organisations like the Australian Christian Lobby. They’re the ones criticisms are directed to. Not everyday Christians, just those seeking to influence laws from the position of a cashed up lobby that is not at all representative of the will of the people. Also, what does it matter to the churches? It’s most likely that any bill that passes will include the provision that churches won’t be forced to administer a same sex wedding (a measure I support as it upholds their religious freedom while giving rights to all people as marriage is no longer just a religious institution but one administered by Govt to all religions, and atheists).

          You’re pushing a fear campaign and that’s it. The reason so many people support same sex marriage is because they see through the scaremongering and realise what same sex marriage means: that two people of the same sex will get married. Nothing more. Nothing less.

          So yeah, it is simple.

          NB: I’d bet my house I have more same sex friends than you do, and they all want marriage bar two who don’t see the big fuss. Of course there are differing opinions out there but you don’t manufacture a movement this big without the very real desire of those pushing for it. And it’s not just a gay movement anymore. Many straight people support it. Heck, they (like me) just want it over with so we can all move on. Those who continue to fabricate farcical opposition to it are just dragging this whole spectacle out longer than it needs to. “My one friend doesn’t want to get gay married so therefore there should be no gay marriage.” If that was how human rights policy was made, we’d all be stuffed.

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          • Cg

            There is nothing invalid about my opinion, Rick. I’m not aware of who died and made you the keeper of the rings because you ‘have more same sex friends’ than me.

            And this is not a fear campaign. On a personal level I couldn’t care less but in the context of society, I do.

            Gay marriage WILL impact religious freedom – on one hand, it will ensure that Jewish and Christian churches will be charged with discrimination and on the other it will force the marriage act to accept the cultural norms of other minority groups.

            And if you think the left aren’t aligned with Islam find out why Marrickville Council has spent thousands of dollars in anti-Semite activities, why the Greens protest outside Jewish businesses and why Israel is constantly vilified.

            Whether you and your millions of gay friends like it or not, the community is still divided and not just here – WORLDWIDE.

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            • Rick Morton

              Cool, I think we just agree to disagree on this one.

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            • Another Jo

              No gay people getting married WON’T impact on religious freedom. The church already discriminate against women, gay people, those of different religions.

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            • Jonni

              Are you forgetting that most of the Roman Catholic church still does not recognise the marriages of divorced persons? What individual churches do or do not recognise has nothing to do with the legal legitimacy being fought for currently.

              At the end of the day, it’s the business of those entering a marriage. For the government to think that it’s their place to check what everyone has between their legs first is completely ludicrous. As it was when it was about mixed race marriage.

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            • Mish

              Ouch! Like Rick, I have quite a few gay friends who wholeheartedly want to get married, and for the few who don’t, would still like those that do want to marry to be able to do so. But I don’t think anyone can make an informed statement about what the LGBT community wants as a whole based on one person’s set of friends.

              I think… even if no gay couples want to get married, the impact it would have on equality would go a long way. Its a validation of acceptance. This is why I support it.

              Cg, are you a woman? As a feminist I am grateful for the people who have paved the way for women being able to work, to vote, to divorce and re-marry. I’m also grateful that people with dark skin are now afforded the same rights as those with light skin. I don’t see why equal rights should not be given to people who are gay. Why does the government care so much about what’s between our legs? And why do you?

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        • Another Jo

          I don’t know where you are getting your ideas from.

          The push for gay marriage is coming from gay people who want the same rights as heterosexual people and the rest of the population who wish to support them.

          If you don’t have a problem with gay people then you shouldn’t have a problem with gay marriage. Simple as that.

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        • odette

          You do realise that churches can and do refuse to marry people? As in, men and women? If I went into a church and asked to be married there (to my husband) and said, “You know, I don’t believe in God, so can you do the ceremony without any mention of God? Or even better, can I use your beautiful building for the ceremony but bring in my own celebrant?” The answer would be NO.

          Some churches insist you complete a course of marriage classes before you can be married there, and if you refuse, then you can’t get married there. Are they being sued for discrimination now?

          But maybe you’re right. Maybe there is a secret society of gays who hold meetings at midnight and plot to destroy organised religion by way of legalising loving marriages.

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          • Lu

            True, when I got married neither the local church of my future husbands family nor my parents local church would marry us because we werent regular church goers and we didnt personally know the Priest. That was despire both of us being fully fledged Catholics (ie all sacraments) my mother in law attending Mass a few times each week and knowing the Priest very well. We ended up finding a far more beautiful church and a really easy going Priest a few suburbs away who was just happy we wanted to get married. But we still had to complete a weekend course, which was seriously the BEST people watching exercise we have ever experieced. We still laugh about some of the strange things and people we saw there….and that was 16 years ago.

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            • Wonder why I bother reading this...

              Sorry you are not a fully fledged Catholic if you don’t attend Mass on Sunday, even if you have had “all” of the sacraments. It is a precept of the Church and you are in mortal in if you don’t attend. What you have described is liberalism at it’s best and the whole Gay Marriage thing is the current flavour. Don’t be so stupid to think that the gay lobby won’t force churches to marry gays. They are some jurisdictions where this is happening. So what happens? The priests give up their marriage licences and just administer the sacrament of marriage. So then the couple has to go to a registry office and do the legal stuff. So who will be discriminated against then? All so people who “love” one another can get married. Read the Marriage Act, it says nothing about “love”. Good on you CG speaking up against Rick’s problems with Christianity. You are right, the trendy straight couples have no idea what is behind the agenda.

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    • Monday

      If you are in your 50′s or so (‘in my 50 plus years I have met hardly any gay people who want gay marriage’) can I ask how old your gay friends are? From my experience, just my experience, a lot of older gay people are a little unfazed by gay marriage. Younger gay people often feel differently. Perhaps you have a limited experience of what gay people want, because it is not back up by valid pols and stats that gay marriage is wanted by a minority of gay people.

      As for only wanting to concern yourself with the issues that affect only the majority this goes against the absolute political fabric of this country. We are a liberal democracy. Liberalism is concerned with the rights of each and every individual. Gay people, even if they are a minority in this country, have every right to ask for gay marriage. If you go down the path of majority rules you go down a very dark path indeed. It is not how our country works, it is not how liberal democracies work. Every individual has a voice and a right to be heard, even if they form a minority.

      And as for ‘who is behind this’ are you suggesting a conspiracy angle? ‘The movement’ is just a collection of ordinary Australian’s who believe in rights and dignity for all. There is barely a coherent and cohesive movement at all, just a bunch of individuals and various organisations (often in competition with one another, opposed to another etc). If there was a more cohesive and organised push behind gay marriage we would have it by now. You know who is organised? The opposition. And so far they have yet to find this so-called conspiracy. I’m sure they would have helpfully pointed it out if it existed.

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  11. Noelle

    You know what story I’d love to read? One from the perspective of a parent of a teenage parent. T’would be interesting.

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  12. Betty D

    Scary to think that the people who vote for Katter may be my neighbors. This narrow minded fool gives north Qlders a bad name. The ad made me feel sick to the stomach.

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    • odette

      My mum told me yesterday that she was voting for Katter’s party. This was before the anti gay marriage ads. I really hope (but I fear she won’t) that she’s changed her mind.

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  13. anon for this.

    I had sex in year 8. Many of you may think this is appalling and what not, but at least i was ‘safe’ about it, and have no regrets about the experiences that i have had (most of which have been in long-term relationships, with only two ‘flings’ early in Uni). I’m happily married, with a baby on the way and can thank my own parents for their sex education (being sat down with ‘where do i come from’ or whatever the video was called… when i was about 4, being allowed to ask questions, and then reading a lot myself when i was older, and primary school sexual education classes.) Some kids in my grade inbyears 5-7 at school weren’t allowed by their parents to attend the sex ed classes – as far as i know, they were actually the worst risk-takers with their sexual health as they got older.

    I wish the message would get through – having the education isn’t going to cause them to go out there and do it willy-nilly… but NOT having it may cause unintended pregnancies, STD’s and further ramifications with self-esteem and relationships if they’re unaware of the emotional ramifications of sexual activity.

    :(

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  14. misskatedaily

    How embarrassing that I live in the same country as people who can make videos like that.

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  15. rachelh

    Re sex ed story… Liz Walker, who delivers sex ed programs to Australian high schools, told me recently that the figures on teenage sex in Australia are only recorded every 6 years, and the last survey was in 2008. So figures are also generally a bit understated. She also argues there needs to be much more information for teens about the emotional impacts of sex – they seem to be taught about physical consequences (though obviously need for condoms not always getting through) but not so much how you might feel after.

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    • Hazelsmum

      The program that I have been teaching has a strong focus on relationships and emotional impact as well as the basic mechanics of things. It also has a great section on power in relationships and addresses signs of abuse etc. Fantastic program. It’s called SHARE (Sexual Health and Relationships Education) and is setup by ShineSA. I have personally seen how this program can change the attitudes and opinions of young teens. Having said that, I doubt there is any program that could wipe out the problem of teenage sex, STI transmission and unwanted pregnancies because you can be a highly educated 40 year old and still make terrible decisions when under the influence of alcohol. So while we talk about sex education we might want to also be asking how many of these teenagers are engaging in sexual activity while intoxicated. Anecdotal evidence from the classes I have taught would suggest that the major happens under the influence of alcohol, even by kids who know better. We have a MASSIVE issue with alcohol abuse in this country and I believe that we will continue to have these problems while the ‘average aussie’ (yes, I know) believes it is their basic right to go out and get smashed on the weekends.

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  16. Sasha

    I can’t believe I’m actually GLAD that only 32% of year 10s have had sex, I thought that statistic was much higher, especially with 16(?) being the average age for virginity loss.
    I agree with implementing sex ed sooner. My only interpersonal sex ed was a quick biology class in year 7. My school never taught safe sex or anything. Very, very disappointing. (I read a lot of books so I was covered, though :D )

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  17. K

    My biggest deterrent as a teenager to sex was firstly hearing a conversation between a group of teen boys discussing my best friend. She was 15 at the time and had been having sex with quite a few of the boys we hung around with. The were laughing at her expense, calling her dirty names ,basically ripping her to shreds. Luckily I had great parents who gave me lots of love and told me to have the upmost respect for myself and never to sell myself short. My friend never had a father & I do believe lack of a father figure in her life led her down a pathway where she tried to gain love from the opposite sex the wrong way.

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    • Anonymous

      Too bad those teen boys weren’t taught not to slut-shame girls they had slept with.

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      • K

        Unfortunately if you act in a certain manner as a female you are always going to get slut shamed. I wish more girls would realise the ramifications of their actions. Females too are very good at slut shaming others. Men will always slut shame a girl who roots around.

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        • Anonymous

          The victim blaming in your comment K demonstrates very clearly why this practice is still socially acceptable. Your attitude is that if a girl behaves a certain way sexually then she deserves to be shamed and ridiculed. Just think about how that approach works in other aspects of life and you will see how flawed it is.

          The only people who are to blame for slut-shaming (both male and female) are the people who are doing it. Just like the only person to blame in a sexual assault is the person doing the assaulting.

          Or are you one of those people who thinks that a girl who wears a short skirt to a club on Saturday night is “asking for it”? Careful – you’re on a very slippery slope there.

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        • Nadine

          I cannot believe what I have just read, what K has written.

          Not sure what to say but I have to object, a comment of that nature cannot be allowed to pass without objection.

          No one has the right to pass judgement upon a woman (or a man) for their sexual choices.

          You comments gives power to and supports the men and women out there who comment, judge, harass and bully others on their outfits, behavior and private sexual encounters.

          I object.

          I object.

          I strenuously object.

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      • Jayne

        so agree Anonymous. blame the perpertrators, not the victims.

        if these boys have never been taught respect for others, then I worry for their future relationships.
        it is a strong culture to work against.

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        • Anonymous

          Well if you have a teenager who respects herself she wont succumb to having promiscuous sex. WIth out promiscuous sex, girls wont be slandered. Teach your girls to have respect for themselves and love themselves. Make them treasure themselves to eliminate this sort of sad behaviour.

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          • Anonymous

            What about the boys engaging in promiscuous sex? Or don’t they matter in your morality tale?

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          • OssieLeo

            So it’s ok for a boy to ‘root’ around and be called a man but when a girl does that she is a slut??

            You are a part of the problem Anonymous!

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            • OssieLeo

              Sorry, the other Anonymous…

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            • Anonymous

              OssieLeo,. Men will always be know as studs and given the high five when the score the woman. Women however will not. I know its not fair but its a fact. The only thing we can do is protect our daughters from succumbing to this sad low life behaviour and learn to respect their bodies and themselves. Tell them they are precious. If you have a son, encourage them to stay away from girls like this and for them to surround themselves with respectable girls who dont sell themselves short.

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            • Anonymous

              That’s just not true. The thing that makes it a “fact” as you state is your attitude that it is and will be. Attitudes and minds can change and evolve. It was once a “fact” that women were too unstable, sensitive and uneducated to vote. That “fact” changed through the hard work of many people (female and male). We can change this perception of women by not buying into this victim-blaming, slut-shaming mentality. You can stop buying into this and start being part of a movement that empowers women rather than controls and degrades them.

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          • OssieLeo

            Can’t reply to your reply :-) My problem with your comment is that you see a woman having many sexual partners as ‘selling themselves short’ why? I do acknowledge that some girls have self esteem issues etc and they do turn to sex but not all and by making the distinction that boys can enjoy a lot of sex but women can’t is just really harmful. I am teaching my daughter to love herself and if that means that she really enjoys sex and has quite a few partners, I don’t have issues with that as long as she is careful (which she is) and is aware that I am not ready to be a grannie yet!

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          • cat

            I hope you realise you are perpetuating that sexual double standard with your comments and mindset. If you really think a woman’s self-respect is tied to her sexuality, then is your daughter’s sex life all she is worth? Is your daughter’s, or your mother’s, or your sister’s genitals all she is worth? If this is what you really think, then you’re the one who is selling your daughter short. Perhaps it’s you should learn to about respect, like respecting women’s choices, sexual or otherwise.

            I really didn’t think you could top this gross comment, but you’ve set a new high water mark with your second one.

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          • Faybian

            You’re only repeating stuff that’s been around and repeated for years. What you spout should also be taught to boys. All young people should be raised to respect themselves and their bodies.

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          • Nadine

            Anonymous (post at 1.40pm).

            It is only a fact if you and people who think like you continue to perpetuate such behavior and thoughts.

            If we all stand up and say that this way of thinking is outdated, wrong and it will not be accepted or tolerated today, tomorrow and every day in the future.

            Then it won’t be a fact.

            Then those who choose to persecute and ridicule will themselves be shunned.

            When you hear it, stand up and be heard, say its unacceptable.

            Join us and say NO MORE.

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    • Lu

      K, I would love to know how your friends life has ended up in adulthood. I know a few girls who were sexually active at a very young age in high school and their teenage popularity with the opposite sex hasnt resulted in successful, happy or stable adult relationships.

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      • trixie melodian

        I had a very active sex life in my teens, right through to my early 20s. Some of it was due to self-esteem issues, but often it was just because I enjoyed sex and didn’t really care if people had an opinion about it one way or another. At 24 I met the love of my life, less than a year later we were married and we have now been married for almost 9 years and have two gorgeous children.

        Even though I was married relatively young, I feel like I’ve “been there, done that” and certainly don’t feel like I married my husband without having enjoyed a wide range of experiences in my life. I am really happy to settle down with one person for the rest of my life knowing that there isn’t stuff I have missed out on.

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  18. Carly

    The article reads… “The current course was introduced in 1999 and is compulsory for students from kindergarten to Year 10… However parents uncomfortable with the topic can withdraw their child”.
    Ok, so by THAT logic, if I’m uncomfortable with my future children being taught COMPULSORY syllabus topics  like algebra or long division (cause let’s face it, they could come home with all sorts of questions about it, that I’m not comfortable in answering) I should be able to withdraw them from those classes, right??! Pfft! I wonder which of these is more important to learn in the “real world”…?

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  19. Lealea

    I can’t even see a story relating to the womens weekly cover? The heading on fb says photoshopping but the heading on the actual story is sex. What the???

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  20. Cinnamon

    Just read this – http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-57394954/u.s-soldier-held-in-deaths-of-16-afghans/

    How could someone do this!

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    • lucindainthesky

      That is horrible! It is this kind of publicity that makes people forget the good that the troops are doing over there. Just shocking.

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      • Cinnamon

        I’m wondering why are they still there? Especially when things like this are happening!

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        • Kris2040

          Would it have been any more or less horrible if he’d gone on a rampage at home in the States?

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          • Cinnamon

            No the killing of innocent people is never right no matter where

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          • Anonymous

            Worse. They shouldn’t be there. Do you think the American will be charged with murder? because that’s what it was.

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            • Kris2040

              I think he’ll be investigated and held accountable for what he did, certainly. It wasn’t in the line of duty, he just left his base and did it, so of course he should be investigated and depending on his mental state, charged.

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        • lucindainthesky

          There are still worse things happening in Afghanistan which are not committed by our, or the US troops. Things have improved quite a lot for the civillians since we and the other countries have been providing assistance. I couldn’t say why other countries have withdrawn their troops but the US and Australia haven’t yet. I do wonder if things will go backward over there as soon as the troops leave… but I still consider us peacemakers and not just being involved in the war for the sake of it. And I think the civillians need help. It is not their fault they were born into war and bloodshed. To me being there is part of what humanity is about, and the soldiers over there know this too well. :)

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          • Anonymous

            I’m not sure what you mean by worse? children have been murdered by an American soldier. What is worse than that?

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            • Kris2040

              Being murdered by someone who claims to be a countryman for being a girl and having the temerity to expect an education?

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            • lucindainthesky

              You are picking at a particular word rather than the overall gist of the comment. Maybe “worse” was the wrong word, but there are horrific things still going on, and that is why the troops are still there. This incident is horrible, but it doesnt automatically mean the troops should come home. That is all I was saying.

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    • Kris2040

      That’s what they’re trying to find out now. Horrible. :(

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      • Cinnamon

        Very! I want to know what was going on in his head to do something so horrible! They are supposedly meant to be there to make the people feel safe not to go kill them!

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        • Kris2040

          They are, and something’s gone horribly wrong in this guy’s head.

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          • Anonymous

            In that case, why was he still on active duty? I hope his superiors are investigated too.

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            • Kris2040

              Because if something goes wrong in your head, it’s not immediately noticeable? It’s not like your skin turns purple to alert people!

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    • Cg

      A full and thorough investigation will answer the question. He will be treated for extreme trauma or punished.

      That won’t happen to those who killed innocent American soldiers because some copies of the Koran were ACCIDENTALLY burned.

      What a nightmare these countries are.

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  21. Jude

    40% of teens aren’t practising safe sex?? This statistic horrifies me. Something definitely isn’t working if the numbers are that high.

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    • jingwen

      Well it’s 40% of the 32% who are sexually active, so more like 14% of all students in Year 10. still alarming!

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      • Lu

        Cant help but think parental boundaries and lack thereof contribute to this. When I was 15 I came home to an empty house until my parents got home from work. But the rules were NOBODY other than my sister and I were allowed in the house. And we werent allowed to go anywhere other than straight home from school. We knew if we broke those rules there would be huge trouble. I know you cant watch their every move but if a 15 yo is finding enough unsupervised time to be sexually active the parents are being too slack, either by not setting strict boundaries and enforcing consequences or leaving them alone for too long. Sexually active 15yos is not something we should be proud of.

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        • Mish

          How lucky your parents were! I don’t know of many teenagers who would have an empty house and not take advantage of it, whether their parents told them to or not. You can’t have your eyes on the kids 24/7, if they want to find a way to have sex, then they will. Sex education is so incredibly important.

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          • She'll Call You Back

            I think that’s exactly the point Lu is making – her parents weren’t “lucky”, her parents raised her right. Teenagers may be impulsive and headstrong, but when you love and respect your parents and have a close relationship with them, the last thing you want to do is disappoint them. With lax, inattentive parenting, both the “terrible twos” and the teenage years can be much more fraught than necessary.

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      • Anonymous

        it doesnt actually state that it’s a percent of the percent, so it could very well be a percent of all teens (i.e. 13-19 y/olds)

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      • Jude

        Ah yes I did understand the percentage Jingwen, 40% of sexually active teens is a huge number.

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    • Lu

      Maybe they need harsh facts. Unsafe sex can cause infertility. I have 2 dear friends who would have been wonderful mothers but they have both given up trying in their early 40′s. The cause of their infertility they have been told was undiagnosed STDs, they trace it back to unprotected sex in their teens.

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  22. Loulee

    Depending on the maturity of your child as soon as they hit high school the sex stuff should be a huge topic of discussion. Actually I gave my daughter Kaz Cooke’s Girl Stuff book when she was 11. Some of the other mum’s thought it was too much too soon but it’s been a great reference for her and she’s always asking me questions. I’ve been a bit shocked by what she tells me a few of her 13 year old contemporaries are up to.

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    • Donna S

      I gave that book to my daughter at age 9 or Year 5. We’ve had some interesting conversations as a result. And she had it at school to read during recess.
      She is now in her last year before middle school and sex has turned into a big talking point at school. The boys turn everything into a sexual reference. It’s relatively innocent at the moment but my girl is a pretty tall athletic girl who is starting to catch the eye of the lads at the local pool etc. And she is only in the early stages of puberty. Yikes.
      But its the same age as when things started to happen in my day and I am amazed there were no 13 year old pregnancies amongst my contemporaries as they were experimenting really early on very little info.

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    • Faybian

      I gave my oldest girl the book “Everygirl” by Eric Llewelyn-jones who also wrote “Everywoman”. It was like “Girl stuff” which I’ve given to my 2nd daughter at age 10. A lot of content was not relevant to her, but we had a talk and I explained that while I couldn’t stop her reading it, she should probably stick with the relevant parts until she was a bit older and to think of it as a book that she could come back to during her teens. I’ll be giving it to my 8 year old when the times right and that will be individual to her. She’s already had the basic facts of life explained.
      I only wish they had something similar for boys when my son was at that age too.

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    • k8e10

      thank you guys for being forward thinking, honest and responsible parents! Providing our children with the true facts is what they need… not brushing it under the carpet as soomething you deal with later (ie TOO LATE)

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      • Lu

        I’m surprised by the number of kids we know who dont even use the proper name for their genitals.

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  23. Kris2040

    They should have taken Princess Charlene to Ramsay St seeing she’s in Vic. :P

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  24. aNoNiMouse

    I was just wondering how Sarah Murdoch was criticised? I don’t remember that. I just thought she looked like a real and beautiful woman and I felt strangely normal!

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    • Kris2040

      Apparently she was criticised because she’s so beautiful anyway so it wasn’t realistic. Helen McCabe was talking about it on the Project last night.

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      • Chellebelle

        So for some women who appear on magazine covers you’re damned if you do and damned if you don’t.
        I wouldn’t be them for quids.

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    • Sweetness

      That’s what happened to Jen Hawkins too, when she did it for Madison or Marie Claire.

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      • Belle

        Oh but Jen Hawkins attitude about it was what riled everyone up.

        Helen McCabe is always trying to be seen as ‘pushing the boundaries’, yet it such an effort to appear un photoshopped in her mag. Even if you request it, they still fix the ‘lighting’ and shading. And really, a mag editor appearing on tv to talk abou this only wants to sell more mags. She doesnt care about anything else.

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