A recent survey found more than two thirds of us research our medications on-line and half of us turn to “Dr Google” for diagnosis. But how do you know the information you are getting online is accurate? Basically, you don’t. In fact studies show if you search Google for “vaccination”, 60% of the results will not only be misleading but downright scary. In a time when vaccine-preventable diseases such as whooping cough and measles are in the news again, it’s critically important to know the facts about vaccination so that you can protect your kids and yourself.
So, let’s take a look at some of the common myths about vaccination and why they’re wrong.
Myth 1: Vaccines cause autism.
No doubt you’ve heard this myth – it’s been around for some time now. In a nutshell, there is no solid scientific evidence for a link between vaccines and autism. And believe me, science has been looking for well over 14 years. The theory that vaccines cause autism was first suggested by Andrew Wakefield in 1998. Since then, Wakefield’s paper has been discredited and withdrawn from The Lancet and Wakefield has lost his medical licence for showing “callous disregard” for children’s welfare.
Since 1998 there have been countless large and comprehensive studies looking for a link between vaccines and autism, but the evidence keeps coming up negative. The largest study was done in Denmark and covered all children born from January 1991 through December 1998. A total of 537,303 children of which eighty-two percent were vaccinated for MMR were examined and there was no association between vaccination and the development of autistic disorder.
Further, in August 2011, an exhaustive review of the scientific literature by the Institute of Medicine in the US concluded that overall “few health problems are caused by or clearly associated with vaccines”. And when I say “exhaustive review”, I mean 12,000 peer-reviewed articles, covering eight different vaccines were pored over by a committee of 18 experts in the largest review of adverse events associated with vaccines since 1994. It was a thorough and herculean effort concluding that there is no causal relationship between vaccines and autism.
Myth 2: Vaccines contain mercury
Mercury was removed from all routine childhood vaccines in Australia in the year 2000 (with the exception of one type of HepB vaccine which contains trace amounts) and it was never in the MMR vaccine. Prior to 2000, thimerosal, an organomercury compound, was used in the manufacturing process of vaccines as a preservative. The process left only trace amounts in the finished product – you ingest more mercury when you eat a can of tuna than you would ever get from a vaccine. Also there are two types of mercury – methyl mercury is the scary environmental toxin that “bioaccumulates” in your body, and ethyl mercury the type found in thimerosal, which does not bioaccumulate.
If thimerosal was implicated in autism, you would expect a significant drop in cases after its removal. Instead the opposite is true – autism rates continue to rise.
Myth 3: Vaccines contain toxic ingredients

Jenny McCarthy whose son was diagnosed with autism led the charge against vaccinations claiming there was a link between the condition and immunisations.
Look anywhere on the Internet and you’ll find long scary looking lists of chemicals that anti-vaccine advocates claim are present in vaccines. Things such as anti-freeze, formaldehyde, aluminium phosphate, human fetal tissue, monkey kidney and lung cells, and most famously mercury. They also claim vaccines cause diseases such as AIDS, asthma, autism, cancers, diabetes, leukemia, lupus, SIDS, the list goes on. Many of these claims are quite simply untrue. The rest, without exception, misrepresent the facts.
For example, some viruses are grown on cell lines in the laboratory that were obtained from aborted fetal tissue many years ago. When a virus is grown on cells like these, it is extensively purified and many steps later, prepared into a vaccine. To say there are aborted human fetus cells in the vaccine is a bit like saying there is dirt in apples since they were once grown on a tree that grew in dirt. It’s misleading, scaremongering and simply not true. As for formaldehyde, there are trace amounts of formaldehyde in vaccines but much less than what your body naturally produces everyday.
Some vaccines do contain tiny amounts of metals like aluminium which have been used for over 80 years to increase the effectiveness of the vaccine. These are known as “adjuvants” and work like a booster to kick start the immune system into making antibodies. But just as the “dose makes the poison”, the concentrations of these metals are so low as to not be harmful to the body. Similarly, small doses of paracetamol cure pain but large doses have been known to cause liver failure.
Myth 4: Vaccines have never been tested.
All vaccines currently available in Australia must pass stringent safety testing before being approved for use by the Therapeutic Goods Administration (TGA), which is our government body responsible for regulating pharmaceuticals. Multiple clinical trials for safety and effectiveness are also performed as part of the development process (which takes anywhere between 10 to 15 years, and many millions of dollars) and safety monitoring continues for as long as the vaccine is in use.
For example with the polio vaccine, two million kids were involved in the field trial which was conducted in the US in 1954. More recently, the safety of the new cervical cancer vaccines was studied in large-scale clinical trials involving more than 50,000 people before being licensed for use. Safety continues to be monitored after 35 million doses with the majority of side effects being fever, headache and other minor ailments.
Like any medical procedure there are risks associated with the use of vaccines. This was brought to light in 2010 when dozens of kids suffered high temperatures and convulsions following administration of the flu vaccine. The vaccine was immediately withdrawn from use and the government commenced an investigation.
When people claim that vaccines have “never been tested” they usually mean that they have not undergone randomized placebo controlled trials (RCTs). To do an RCT of a vaccine you would need to take two groups of kids, give one group the vaccine, and the other a placebo, then expose both groups to the disease to see which ones survive. Raise your hand if you can see the problem here…
Not only would such an experiment be unethical, it’s unnecessary. We have extensive evidence demonstrating the effectiveness of vaccines; the eradication of smallpox and the near-eradication of polio from the world are just two examples.
Myth 5: Vaccines don’t work because children who are vaccinated can still get the disease.
No vaccine is 100% effective, and since everybody’s physiology is different, not everyone will develop immunity to the same degree; a vaccine is not a force field. But while you can still breathe in a virus or pick up bacteria off a door handle, the seriousness of the disease will be significantly reduced if you have been vaccinated. In the case of pertussis or whooping cough, severe complications such as seizures and pneumonia occur almost exclusively in unvaccinated people and one in every 200 babies who contract the disease will die.
Also, vaccine-induced and naturally acquired immunity fades over time. Notably, immunity from the whooping cough is not lifelong and infected adults, including child care workers and early years professionals, may be passing the infection on to children. This is why it is so important to get boosters if you are around young kids – especially those who are too young to be vaccinated. If you’re a parent make sure you, the grandparents, and other relatives and friends have boosters before they get to meet baby. Talk to your GP for advice on pertussis boosters (which are free until June 2012 in Victoria).
Myth 6: Improved living standards, not vaccination have reduced disease.
The three most significant factors in the reduction of infectious disease have been clean water, sewerage systems, and vaccination. But even in isolation, vaccination has made a huge dent in reducing rates of disease. Following the introduction of the national meningococcal C immunisation program in January 2003, the number of cases decreased by 39% while numbers of people admitted to hospital with the disease was down by 47%. When the Haemophilus influenzae type B (Hib) vaccination was introduced into Australia in 1992 there was a 94% reduction in cases in children under the age of five (the most frequent illnesses caused by Hib are meningitis, septicemia and pneumonia). Yet living conditions in Australia have changed only marginally since 1992 or 2003. Vaccines have also significantly reduced suffering from the complications of infectious disease. Whilst mortality from polio was less than twenty percent, complications such as paralysis, skeletal deformities, and prolonged immobility during confinement in an iron lung caused significant suffering, all of which were eliminated by widespread vaccination.
Myth 7: Infectious diseases are not serious; children are meant to get them.
Just because they’re called “childhood diseases” doesn’t mean it’s okay for kids to get them and neither are they necessarily benign. Let’s take a look at whooping cough as an example, since Australia has been the grips of an epidemic for several years now.
Whooping cough is much more than “just a bad cough”. Kids often turn blue from lack of oxygen during coughing fits, they may vomit after severe attacks, and even fracture ribs. There is no cure for whooping cough – antibiotics are given to help stop the transmission to others – you just have to hope your immune system can fight it. Severe complications such as pneumonia and brain damage occur almost exclusively in unvaccinated people and in babies under 6 months of age the symptoms can be severe or life threatening. Whooping cough is also known as the 100-day cough making it a chronic and potentially fatal disease.
If you still think infectious diseases are harmless, wander through your local cemetery one day and note how many children died from diseases that we no longer see in society today – stamped out largely due to mass vaccination. Some of us are old enough to remember the images of children in iron lungs and calipers during the scourge of polio, which was wiped out by vaccination.
Myth 8: Vaccines cause or spread the diseases they are supposed to prevent.
Experiencing a slight temperature and/or a sore arm after getting a vaccine is actually a good thing. While some people misinterpret this as “getting the flu after the flu vaccine” it simply indicates that your immune system is responding. Vaccines work by priming your immune system with a part of the disease, usually inactivated particles or a fraction of the organism, so that it can make antibodies. This means next time you come across the disease in the environment your body is ready with an arsenal of antibodies to attack it before it can make you really sick.
Vaccines are not 100% safe – no medical intervention is without risk – and mistakes do happen. In the 1950s in America there was a spate of cases of polio caused by the vaccine, but this was due to a mistake in the manufacturing process and was quickly corrected. Regulations, monitoring and quality control has greatly increased since that time, meaning incidents such as this are very unlikely to be repeated. The risks associated with the disease greatly outweigh the risk from a vaccine.
Myth 9: My child’s immune system will be overwhelmed.
Some parents worry that vaccines weaken or overwhelm the immune system, particularly when given to babies or when multiple vaccines are given at the same time. Children are exposed to many foreign particles on a daily basis through activities such as routine eating, drinking and playing and vaccines contain only a tiny number in comparison to what children encounter every day in their environment. The amount of immune challenges that children fight every day (2,000 — 6,000) is significantly greater than the number of antigens in any combination of vaccines (about 150 for the entire vaccination schedule).
More information: This is certainly not an exhaustive list of myths surrounding vaccination. If you’d like to know more, the following sources contain accurate and easy to read information for parents on vaccination including myths, misconceptions and information about the diseases.
Chain of Protection is an initiative of The National Centre for Immunisation Research and Surveillance (NCIRS) which contains lots of vaccine information, videos and more.
The NCIRS also produce the MMR Decision Aid which is a step-by-step guide to the MMR.
A great general resource for parents wanting to know more about vaccination can be found in the Australian Government publication; Understanding Childhood Immunisation Booklet (highly recommended)
General questions about vaccination can be found on the Australian Governments website; Frequently asked Questions About Immunisation
For more detailed information about vaccines, with references to scientific studies, see the Australian Government’s Handbook; Immunisation Myths and Realities, Responding to Arguments about Immunisation
A complete schedule of the current vaccinations required under the National Immunisation Program can be found here.
Please note: The AVN has flooded the comments section below with pseudo-science and inflated numbers. We have ourselves noticed many people using the same IP address and now an AVN supporter has admitted to posting at least 30 times from just one user, using fake IP addressed. So you’re aware of the tactics used.
If you’re after a more light hearted parody of the refusal to acknowledge real science, check out this video:
So, any questions?
Dr. Rachael Dunlop is a medical researcher, science communicator and campaigner for science-based medicine in Australia, with a special interest in the anti-vaccination movement and alternative medicine. Rachael started life as a fine artist and graphic designer but was seduced by the secret world of virus and tropical diseases and was lured to university to study science. After 8 years of study in both Adelaide and Sydney, she surfaced with a PhD and an interest in diseases associated with ageing. Now working in medical research she is currently focused on the environmental triggers for motor neuron disease with a special interest in toxins found in blue green algae. Rachael is a vice president of the Australian Skeptics and a contributor to their magazine and website. She is member of the Mystery Investigators, a science show for kids that uses science to explain the strange and unusual such as UFOs and ghosts. Rachael is a reporter for The Skeptic Zone Podcast which reaches over 7000 listeners worldwide every week. She blogs at the Skeptics Book of PoohPooh and tweets at Dr Rachie. Rachael was the winner of the 2010 Shorty Award for Health and enjoys combining her love of science and art to communicate science to the public.










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I’m a 45 year old mum of 3 who has permanent hearing loss as a result of secondary infections from measles as a 7 year old. My ears still bleed on occasion and it’s a daily battle trying to hear which is incredibly exhausting. Childhood diseases are serious. They alter lives. Even worse, they kill. Vaccination is a no brainer if you ask me.
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I love this collection of information. Some of the new age types and scaremongers who do not vaccinate their kids I feel so angry at, as a nurse especially. The critics should look back in history and see how bad these diseases were which were erradicated by vaccines.
Just one plea to parents, HOLD bubs still ! If the kid is moving around and you have to move with them to get the injection in however, it’s just causing more bruising and risking a sharps injury. If they are nice and still its over nice and quick, baby ends up happier and so can everyone else
This might be common sense but youd be suprised how ppl sometimes cant hold an 8 week old still, more worried about feeling guilty.
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Since becoming a mum, there’s one thing I have come to realise, which is that people who haven’t vaccinated their children really PISS ME OFF! If people vaccinated their kids, we could probably eradicate dangerous, life threatening diseases for the whole of the population, rather than oncurring epidemics, which is what is happening now with Whooping Cough. Earlier this year, I was unlucky enough to get whooping cough. As an asthmatic, I consider myself lucky in that I was able to get onto some antibiotics in time to spare me the intense coughing fits. I also consider myself lucky that I was diagnosed before catching up with a friend with a young baby!! (thank god as it would have been my worst nightmare if he had’ve caught something off me). However, as I still have a cough lurking, I have undertaken (this wk) a pertussis (whooping cough) blood test to see if I have still got whooping cough symptoms as I am to have a cesaerean soon (due to complications) and would be devastated if I happened to unknowingly pass this disease onto my newborn. For Fcuks sakes people, realise that the autism thing was discredited and just get your kids done so that not only we are safer, but so that your own children can live full and healthy lives also!
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I think there is also a massive wave of first world arrogance in not vaccinating. By refusing to vaccinate when we have the choice, we are failing to eradicate these illnesses worldwide.
Unvaccinated kids in Australia still have a *relatively* good chance of surviving these diseases (due to our general good health and nutrition, hygiene and excellent medical support) however when these diseases hit developing countries, kids have dreadful mortality rates.
How can people be so selfish and arrogant as to keep these diseases alive and well to infect not only kids in our own country, but to effectively issue a death sentence to kids in developing countries who contract the disease?
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“First world arrogance” – absolutely, perfect definition.
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I’m sure people who don’t vaccinate their children feel the same way about you too ….
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why? what is she doing that might affect your children or others?
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@cindy, is that the grown up equivalent of “know you are, said you are, but what am I”?
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If people STOPPED vaccinating their children with vaccines that CAUSE disease (Hello? Vaccine Derived Polio?), then MAYBE we could eradicate…. Pfft, the only “Herd Immunity” is your Sheeple mentality incapable of accepting that YOU’RE WRONG. Ugh, pull your heads out. Does it not make you ask “Why are unvaxxed kids pulled out of school during an “outbreak” while the disease is allowed to run rampant through all of your vaccinated kids? Because you think you’re kids are immune, yet…THE DISEASE IS RUNNING RAMPANT THROUGH ALL OF THEM. You’re ignorance makes me sick…
Well, not really, I have a great NATURAL immune system…:)
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When vaccinated children get a disease they are vaccinated from, it is much less severe than for those who aren’t, that’s why unvaxxed kids get pulled from schools because if they get it they will be DEAD.
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I’ll tell that to my best friend who is going thru IVF because her husband is sterile after having mumps as a child. 15 years of unprotected sex and a lot of hoping has given way to donor sperm.
I bet they’ll be vaccinating.
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Thank you for a clear and level-headed article. I’m passing it around!
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My aunt refuses to get her kids vaccinated and I just don’t understand…am seding her this article
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My first born had chicken pox at 6 weeks old. She was fully breastfed and I have immunity (I was tested). It was very serious, she was very ill with a very high temperature and screamed and writhed in pain for several days. She was a tiny baby covered in scabs. It certainly wasnt what I expected for my first few weeks of being a mum.
She is now 12 and covered in scars which is my daily reminder of how serious preventable illnesses can be for those who are too young to be vaccinated.
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I am the same. I had chicken-pox when I was very young (was fully vaccinated as soon as possible) and still have the scars all over me, even on my face. I feel for your 12 year old. Just tell her they do fade.
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Thanks Ellie. xx
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Brilliant! Did anyone also happen to read a similar article in my child magazine this month? It looks like these myths about vaccines are easier to believe than the truth so its so good to read articles like these that explain the topic so much better.
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Thank you, thank you, thank you for this clear headed and factual look at vaccination. A kid in my daughter’s class had whooping cough last term and was HORRIBLY unwell. Why would you want your child to be at risk of that? Never mind polio….
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I am a mum of 3 and pro vaccination. I myself have permanent hearing loss as a result of secondary infection from measles when I was 7. My ears still bleed on occasion. It’s a constant battle trying to hear and it’s so tiring. Do people realise when they choose not to vaccinate thier kids that it’s not just a bug or low risk? It alters lives. Or kills. It’s a no brainer if you ask me.
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This is one of the main reasons I take a look regularly at Mama Mia – sensibly presented factual information that may reach a far wider public than similar information buried in newspapers or journals. Please keep articles like this coming!
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Thankyou! My 8 week old son was had his first vax less than 24 hours ago. Yes he cried, yes he will still have bouts of illness as he grows, and yes he is clearly not quite himself following his doses yesterday; but my husband and I will gladly endure this to protect him from more serious complications of disease. Even if autism was a possible side effect, I would take that risk over the chance of seeing my child die of a preventable disease.
Both my husband and I get angry at the myths and slander against vaccines, and the danger that unvaccinated people place on our weak and vulnerable society members. Thankyou for your article, if it changes the thinking of one family I am grateful.
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Rachael – reading your article and your bio convinced me – you are my personal superhero! thanks for the good overview
We live in NZ where the meningococcal C vaccine is not part of the childhood schedule (too expensive to publicly fund). In the last month there have been a number of deaths from this terrible disease. These were mainly young people, and now the families are speaking out encouraging vaccination. We just paid for our family to be vaccinated at a cost of NZ$500 (family of 4, 5 doses of vaccine at NZ$120 each). You are lucky in Australia to have this on the schedule, I hope people realise this. The terrible thing about this disease is that you can be fit and healthy one day and the next you can be gone. I also checked my own immunization records and found that I had only had one dose of measles vaccine and so I would probably not have immunity any longer. So at the age of 39, I just had the MMR as measles is in our community (Wellington).
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Best Article Ever. Well done MM and thank you so much Rachel for wording it perfectly.
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I love that this article doesn’t try to claim that science is infallible when it comes to vaccinations, something a lot of pro-vax articles offen do, but still prevents facts that being vaccinated far outweighs the possible risks associated with the vaccines. I have no problem with people who delay their childrens vaccinations, or don’t vaccinate, so long as it is for a genuine medical reason, not just because of scaremongering by Dr Google!
My Mum currently has whooping cough and seeing how it affects an adult, who has had booster shots throughout her life, is scary enough without risking seeing one of my children suffer from it!
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Love this. Am sending it to every parent I know. And everyone who may one day become a parent. And just everyone.
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I’ve already made a mental list of people I’ll be sending this to.
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Thank you so much, Mia. It is wonderful for families to have access to accurate, reliable, concise information on vaccination.
Rachael? What can we say…raaaawrsome!
And, huge kudos to your commenters for the intelligence and clarity they have shown here. I have never seen a vaccination article with such clarity in the comments section. Your readers are truly informed, and reasonable. With commenters such as yours we can be encouraged that accurate information is circulating in the community.
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As mentioned in my earlier posts I am pro vaccinations but I would hope that you will also take the fight up for the no-fault compensation scheme that Nicola Roxon’s office is considering. My daughter suffered a severe adverse reaction to her vaccinations called Stevens-Johnson Syndrome which put her in ICU at melb RCH on life support for 2 weeks followed by 9 weeks in the burns unit. She is now partially blind and suffers ongoing health issues. Your readers are adamant everyone should be vaccinated which is fine. If they are so strong in their convictions then maybe you can ask them if they would sign a petition to get the govt to introduce the no-fault comp scheme for people like my daughter. You can research more about this by searching for Heath Kelly or I can email you all the reports sent to govt and Roxon’s response. As said I am not against vaccinations even after everything i have been through but there are risks and those sufferers should be compensated.
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I did a quick google and nothing mentioned vaccines, but lots of anti-convulsive meds that cause this. Care to explain more? Or is this just spamming?
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Three years ago I contracted whooping cough, even though I was imminised as a child. I felt terrible for many weeks and didn’t get a good night’s sleep during this time as I couldn’t stop coughing when laying down.
The end result was that all the strain of coughing tore the lining of my lung and caused a collapsed lung, trip to emergency, tube inserted, x-rays, morphine AND I was 9 weeks pregnant at the time with baby number two.
It was terrible for my husband and little boy to have to see me like that and took weeks for me to feel better and stronger. I would hate to think how much worse I would have been had I not been immunised.
If a healthy adult suffers this much I can’t imagine how a small baby or young child would cope.
I’m lucky that no other family members were effected and since they have all had boosters for whooping cough, grandparents included. I do think there needs to be more education on the importance of regular boosters as we certanly had no idea until this happened to me.
It is the responsibility of the entire community to immunise themselves and their children so that it’s more vulnerable members are protected. If immunisation levels drop there will be more and more outbreaks of diseases that we haven’t had to deal with within our lifetime and that is a tragedy that can be easily avoided.
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My sister (who had never had a booster as an adult), caught whooping cough. She was sick for months, as she is asthmatic too. She still has some degree of vertigo due to it. Her children (also asthmatics) didn’t catch it, so it can’t be all bad.
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My 2 non-vaxxed boys caught whooping cough from a vaxxed person. They were 10 months, and 2 years.
They took ABs, inner health plus for kids, megadoses of vit C, and Olive Leaf Extract. They had the cough for quite a while, and it did wake them at night, but they did not suffer any pneumonia or other lung damage. Even my pediatrician was amazed at how mild they had it.
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Your pediatrician was amazed because I imagine in his career he has seen plenty of catastrophic endings to this scenario.
To take Andy’s analogy, I would be amazed to see someone survive without injuries after a nasty car accident when not wearing a seatbelt.
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Interestingly, a friend of mine was recently in an horrific crash where a drunk, speeding driver ran straight up the back of her small car. She had to be cut out of the car but survived with relatively minor injuries (though physiotherapy will be ongoing for a few years to com).
I wonder if people who dismiss whooping cough as just a bad cough, simply because they know some babies survive it, would also advocate for speeding and drunk driving on the basis that it doesn’t always lead to fatalities?
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Very lucky for you and your boys!
Not everyone is so lucky – whopping cough has been responsible for many deaths in otherwise healthy children. I’m not leaving my child’s life to luck!
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You have not researched hard enough. And I cannot tell you how highly offended I think your spam comment is…I can give you the doctors name at Melbourne RCH to confirm my story and show photos
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What a fantastic article.
Well written, easily understood, and reeking of common sense.
Thank you.
It is so frustrating to hear constantly all the shit that people believe about vaccinations.
Hopefully this will help clear it up for a lot of people.
Now people, non-vaccers, if you really are concerned about chemicals that you put into your children, then take a good look at the food you feed them. Colours, additives, flavour enhanceers, preservatives….to say the least.
Vaccinations have enormous amounts of evidence supporting them, but what about all these chemicals in our food?
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People who choose not to vaccinate are usually aware of this.
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People who choose not to vaccinate on the basis of “TOXINS!!!”, usually have no concept of toxicology and choose, somewhat arbitrarily it seems, what to scare people about.
So, people like Meryl Dorey argue that if something is a known toxin, then it is always a toxin. She doesn’t appear to understand or accept the concept of dosage at all.
Indeed, in her somewhat secret response to this article, Dorey lists all the “TOXINS!!!” found in vaccines and argues that science has never determined safe limits for them. She links to Material Safety Data sheets for several of these “poisons” and, to be sure, they look seriously scary indeed. Among those “TOXINS!!!” is one called “potassium chloride”.
So, is potassium chloride a toxin? Let’s check wikipedia as an easy-to-read starter. Here’s what it has to say about its toxicity…
“Orally, potassium chloride is toxic in excess; the LD50 is around 2.5 g/kg (meaning that a lethal dose for 50% of people weighing 75 kg (165 lb) is about 190 g (6.7 ounces)). Intravenously, this is reduced to just over 100 mg/kg, but of more concern are its severe effects on the cardiac muscles: high doses can cause cardiac arrest and rapid death,…” and so on.
You don’t need to be a scientist to see that it’s pretty damned toxic. Just 7.5g of it can kill a 75kg adult when administered intravenously!
Read in isolation, as you’d get on an anti-vax site (or even a MSDS), you could assume that potassium chloride has no place inside our bodies. But what else does wikipedia say about it?…
“Potassium is vital in the human body, and oral potassium chloride is the common means to replenish it, although it can also be diluted and given intravenously. It can be used as a salt substitute for food, but due to its weak, bitter, unsalty flavour, it is usually mixed with ordinary salt (sodium chloride) for this purpose to improve the taste.”
So here we have a dilemma the anti-vaxers can’t address whilst maintaining the “once a toxin, always a toxin” gambit. Potassium chloride is a chief source of vital potassium (an explosive chemical on its own) and it’s also toxic. So how does someone like Meryl conclude that the tiny amounts of potassium chloride found in vaccines, that children get only occasionally, are more toxic than the potassium they hopefully get in much greater quantities from other sources? And how can she argue there’s no known safe limit when even wikipedia seems to have some quite specific data?
As for Material Safety Data sheets, Google “MSDS Sodium chloride” to be similarly scared about common table salt. If you’re truly ready to be scared though, read the sheet for plain old Potassium. Boom!
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I’m relieved about the fact that no mercury is used as a preservative in Aussie vaccines. I’ve often wondered about this although I’ve still had my children fully vaccinated.
I was also worried about the MMR vaccine and the supposed link to autism, but when I asked my paediatrician about it, he told me what it’s like when a child gets any of those diseases and how serious that is. That convinced me that the vaccine was a better choice. Plus he vaccinated all of this 4 kids with the same vaccines that my kids got so that was reassuring.
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A) A Journal notorious for its badness
“The Journal of Toxicological and Environmental Health has published at least one paper by incompetent mercury-autism quack Mark Geier (who is currently in the process of having his medical licenses suspended in more than one state) and a truly awful paper by Gayle DeLong trying to link vaccines with autism. ”
B) Examples and debunking of dreck previously published by those authors:
http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2011/08/the_mercury_zombie_arises_again.php
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Besides which, the overall conclusion of this study is that the levels of mercury in Australian childhood vaccines are at least 200x lower than safe levels – isn’t that a good thing?
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But, according to Meryl, that’s still some mercury so it must be toxic because anything that contains any amount of toxins is toxic.
So organic lemons, which contain D-Limonene (a Group 3 carcinogen), must be toxic. Organic apricots contain hydrogen cyanide, a potent toxin, so they must be toxic. Organic sesame seeds contain zinc. Zinc is a known toxin and zinc toxicosis can be fatal. Organic sesame seeds are, therefore, toxic. Organic pineapples contain manganese. Manganese is a known toxin leading to violent psychosis.
The list goes on. But I won’t because Meryl’s argument is silly.
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Weird. This comment was supposed to be in reply to Jane DJ’s comment lower down about mercury levels being 200x lower than safe levels. Read in that context, it makes a little more sense than it does floating here on its own
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There is a difference between small amounts (proportionate to the food item eaten) of toxins going through the digestive process and amounts being injected into the body. We can drink organic coffee, milk, wine and so on, but would you fancy injecting it into your tissues?
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More bogus crap links
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My reply ended up being a few lines above but hopefully you will give it a read anyway as I think it is a very important topic in increasing vaccination take up rates
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I think the way this info is presented is straight-forward and helpful. If you were sitting on the fence about the matter, a factual myth-busting approach like this is lot more persuasive than a bunch of angry, condemnatory “How could you be so stupid/irresponsible?” type comments. Everyone wants the best for their kids. Straight forward talk is helpful and clarifying, condemnation and self-righteousness are not.
I am pro-vaccination, but I have observed that, in Australia at least, this is a really fiery topic and gets pretty ugly on both “sides”. We can feel strongly about what we think without the shaming and blaming.
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That is exactly why I like this article! The agression that so many pro-vaccination articles have does nothing for the cause and simply creates an equally agressive backlash from anti-vaccination supporters.
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Agree, agro doesn’t move anything forward but this sort of article does.
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Pity the majority of people who agree with the article are so angry and aggressive …
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I don’t think that’s true at all. There are some people on here who have carefully explained their valid reasons for either not vaccinating or having concerns about it. These people have been treated with respect because there are valid reasons for not vaxing and most of us can see that the anti-vax lobby has had an impressive impact on parents who, through no fault of their own, are worried about how to do the right thing for their kids.
It’s a shame that much of this angst has been created from a litany of lies, half-truths and simple misrepresentations of high-school-level maths and science. Meryl Dorey, for example, appears to have no grasp of even basic statistics, and has been known to apply them syllogistically, yet tells people she can reinterpret complex scientific research by reanalysing what she calls “the raw data”. She can’t.
When people jump in here restating the very things Rachael has debunked in the very article they claim to have read, it gets a bit old. Some people treat this like it’s a religion, a question of faith or belief – as if, somehow, they are biologically special and that the cosmos will somehow look after them if they choose to deny reality. Many of them jump to the accusation of “pharma shill” against anyone who dares to publicly support vaccination. They claim that if one vaccinated person gets sick, “vaccines don’t work”. They claim anything which contains any amount of “a known toxin”, is a poison – without realising damned near everything is a toxin at some level – even the products of our own biological processes. Such people are not deserving of respect. They worry everyone about “chemicals” without realising that EVERYTHING is a chemical – everything! Basically, they’re idiots.
(oops again – Andy)
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Hmmmm, I’m going to go with Cindy on this: you DO sound very angry and aggressive, otherwise you wouldn’t be calling people idiots! Way to show your true intelligence…
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Well AR, you would recognise aggressiveness- do allow me to quote you :
“If people STOPPED vaccinating their children with vaccines that CAUSE disease (Hello? Vaccine Derived Polio?), then MAYBE we could eradicate…. Pfft, the only “Herd Immunity” is your Sheeple mentality incapable of accepting that YOU’RE WRONG. Ugh, pull your heads out. Does it not make you ask “Why are unvaxxed kids pulled out of school during an “outbreak” while the disease is allowed to run rampant through all of your vaccinated kids? Because you think you’re kids are immune, yet…THE DISEASE IS RUNNING RAMPANT THROUGH ALL OF THEM. You’re ignorance makes me sick… ”
Pot/kettle black and all that.
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What else can I call someone who’s being an idiot?
I repeat, there are valid reasons to avoid and to be concerned about immunisation. I have my own fears about it. I wish it was unnecessary, or at least 100% guaranteed safe and perfect and nice and good. I really do. Heck, I don’t even like taking Paracetamol.
But when people who have not spent their adult lives genuinely studying immunology go on rants against basic science (“anything containing a toxin is a toxin!”) without the slightest bit of introspection and no consideration of the possibility that immunologists might actually know what they’re doing, I have little sympathy for them.
Vaccination is the current whipping boy of the privileged. I shy away from aggression though. I prefer sarcasm and ridicule.
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Some people see aggression. Others see a fairly rational argument. Weird.
Keep up the good work Andy!
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Mama Mia very biased . Check your facts and talk to someone with a vaccine injured child . Also look at some recent studies out of Germany that have found vaccinated children to have far more illness then unvaccinated . I’m happy to say Im an unvaccinated 32 year old with 2 unvaccinated children 6&8 . Both parents with science medical backgrounds. Not one of us ever needed antibiotis or any trips to the Dr. All I can say is my children and I enjoy great health and yes it’s a personal decision . I encourage everyone to look at both sides of the story !And not be pushed by fear campaigning one way or the other. PS have travelled and lived in many 3rd world places and seen the horrible effects of vaccine trials and also many unreported adverse effects from vaccine .
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Please stop posting duplicate comments. It’ll be counted as spam if it continues. Thanks.
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What a fantastic and informative article! Thanks Dr Rachie.
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This is a fantastic article. I had whooping cough in my teens, I was vaccinated as a baby but unfortunately that wore off with age and I caught it from children I babysat who had never been vaccinated. The whooping cough lasted for about 6 weeks, it was horrible – I could barely walk up the hallway to my bedroom without having a coughing fit not to mention 6 weeks of sleepless nights interrupted by coughing. Anyone who chooses not to vaccinate their children needs to see how these illnesses and diseases affect people – I was fortunate I was a teenager, I would hate to see some poor newborn baby with whooping cough.
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Thank you for such a wonderfully articulate and easy to understand article. We’re fairly lucky that in our circle all the babies, young children are vaccinated. However I find that it’s the parents, aunts, uncles, grandparents etc that are not getting the boosters. My sil is a child care worker and she’s been so against getting the whooping cough booster. Just can’t understand why someone who works with children 6 out of 7 days wouldn’t get the booster!
Also Dr Dunlop, thank you for your research into motor neuron disease. My aunt died at the age of 35 from this disease and research into it is very close to my heart. Would love to support your research, is there a link to a website?
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Hi Jelly Belly, I work with Dr Paul Cox from the Institute for Ethnomedicine in Wyoming. With a group of researchers from all over the world we are looking at an environmental trigger for MND found in blue green algae. There is a large symposium in Sydney in November where there will be an entire session devoted to this neurotoxin called BMAA. It’s a truly fascinating area of research which we hope will unravel the causes behind sporadic MND, which is such a terrible disease.
The website for IEM is here http://www.ethnomedicine.org/about/default.asp. You can read more about our work here http://208.106.229.203/press/articles.asp
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I did a reply further down the bottom with a picture of my daughter and I was just interested in your opinion if you wouldn’t mind
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I think our governments (state & federal) have a case to answer here. It was not until I started following this debate online that I realised the extent to which adults are a part of the problem. It’s a shame that it’s left to the general public to carry the flag for vaccination and to sometimes pay through the nose for it as adults.
Far from lying about vaccination or making it compulsory, as anti-vaxers so often claim, I think our leaders are sitting on their hands far too much while Australian children suffer and die from preventable diseases.
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Hooray! THIS is what we need to see and hear more of in the newspapers, on the news and at the doctors. This should be given to every expectant mother along with their pregnancy card and then be put front and centre in the baby’s book they take home from hospital.
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This is a great summary. Hope it will talk some sense into antivaccine parents… The paradox is though that these same antivaccine parents absoluteley benefit from all of us deciding to do the right thing. It is much safer to be an unvaccinated child in a community with high rate of vaccinated children.. Another story to stay “naturale” and non vaccinated if nobody else around is vaccinated – thus much higher risk of infection spreads.
Great article for anyone with open mind and common sense!
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*phew*
Thanks for this big dose of common sense!
The only addition I’d make is around the myth that some mums tell themselves about not being able to handle seeing their child cry when the needle goes in.
I’d take my kids for 100 jabs before I’d run the risk of them contracting meningitis, pneumonia, or worse.
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Yeah, if they thought *crying* was bad, I’d hate to see their child with a serious disease!
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You can’t see the needle go in anyway. At least, not as a baby – I sit with KDot on my lap and the nurses go “1, 2, 3″ and it’s done. I’m too busy holding her still to watch. And I can’t really see anyway.
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Fantastic article!
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I think there would be a lot of people (like me) who are not aware that vaccinations are not a “force field”. I did not know you could still get something even with a vaccination. My son, husband and I all had (husband still HAS) whooping cough, even though we both had boosters and my son was vaccinated. I think there needs to be a little more emphasis on this information included in the strong message to vaccinate.
My son and husband have had whooping cough now for weeks and it is a terrible thing. I hate to think how bad it could have been if we did not have a vaccination and boosters! Sheesh!
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Thank you, thank you, thank you!
I do a science degree so I have always been pro vaccination and I struggle to understand where those parents that don’t immunise are coming from.
Let’s hope they are reading this today and that they learn the difference between scientific EVIDENCE and crackpots scaremongering!
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In my opinion, it’s a pity there wasn’t both sides of the coin revealed so that we could find out. This article is still a one sided piece no matter what way you look at it and frankly I’m sick of them – there’s a plethora of well research articles out there both pro and anti – can we PLEASE have a educated debate for BOTH sides of the fence! I’d be really curious to see what comes up.
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well off you go, link the peer-reviewed anti-vaccine articles.
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No venom or sarcasm please. I don’t have any and I’m not about to start trawling the net for them – but when my children were younger it was certainly something that I craved – a genuine debate from both sides as they can
both provide sound articles with their own agenda…I still see updated versions from both sides (this one included) and I despair! An article providing a platform for an open debate amongst the leaders in the pro and anti vax field would be much more useful and effective to new or soon to be parents. If it’s really so easy to undo antivaxers opinion then please let it be so once and for all by providing a voice for each. Given this is yet another one sided article I don’t think it has any power of persuasion: many of them do, both anti and pro.
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Genuine question: since when did we debate science? That’s a job for the science community. I fail to see how relaying expert opinion (and well referenced, click the link) makes this a one sided article. That’s a long bow indeed.
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Hooray. My point a couple of months ago in an on line Facebook debate with ‘friends’ re vaccination choice. Yeah! The process of science was presented by anti- vaxers
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when one side of the debate doesn’t have any peer reviewed articles because its views are bunk, it is a bit hard to have a two sided debate.
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Sam/ Anonymous – you can’t have a two sided scientific argument when there is only one side that has scientific research to back it up. That is why there is no debate and only one side is presented, because only one side has research to support it. If you do find any peer reviewed articles that are anti vaccine though, I would be more than willing to read them.
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Sorry, but who are these ‘leaders’ in the anti-vax camp? Please show me someone who is qualified in the field (NOT a google doctor or someone who has a phd in say ummm geology) and is keen to debate the topic with Dr Rachie. I am sure she would be DEAD keen.
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well don’t bloody well whinge that there is no debate if you’re not willing to even bother doing your own research!
Gee Whiz!
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@Sam, you are missing the point – THERE IS NO DEBATE. Concensus in the scientific community says that vaccines are overwhelmingly safe and necessary for the overall health of our society.
ALL the anti-vax arguments have been discredited, which is why the pro-vax camp is led by pretty much every doctor, immunologist, nurse and epidemiologist in the world, while the anti-vax camp is led by unqualified whackjobs and a nude model.
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Sam, this article is one-sided because the science is one sided. It’s as simple as that. When it comes to the science, there is no debate to be had
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Not to be sarcastic, but what you’re saying is like reading an article on cosmology then complaining that it doesn’t also represent the Flat Earth theory.
This article took “the other side” of vaccination and explained its wrongness. What else can be done with somethings that’s demonstrably wrong?
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Thank you, thank you, thank you.
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Thank you – I love when we hear from experts about issues like this that are so important.
I am sick of being made to feel like a negligent parent by these uber-natural (but really champagne socialist) Mums because I do NOT rely on Dr Google for my vaccination information and follow the vaccination schedule to the letter!
I will stick with the medical experts’ opinions thanks. Sure – as the article points out – mistakes happen even with medical experts from time to time. I’m sure a lot more mistakes happen when people rely on their own haphazard google research.
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Absolutely – champagne socialists. Much easier to go au naturel when most people around you are vaccinated and essentially improve your chances ieven if you decide not to..
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Briana, Exactly. Once everyone else has made it safe, even if they are a bit wary of it too, then it’s just taking advantage of the surroundings. Pure arrogance.
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As a card carrying Champagne Socialist, I resent being associated with these dangerous anti-vaccination propagandists. Bolli and MMR for all I say
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Brilliant, brilliant, brilliant article.
I have always been pro-vaccination. I just dont understand why people would take such a risk and not vaccinate.
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Love this so much right now. Heaps in here I didn’t know. Thank you!
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I hope the people who need to read this do so with an open mind. And, with that, when are we going to protect children from their parents, who believe they know better and choose not to vaccinate them? When will unvaccinated kids be banned from school, preschool and childcare to protect pregnant mums and babies too young to be vaccinated?
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I guess the only thing we can do is make sure our children are vaccinated. Prevention is better than cure in my opinion.
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Agree Lu!
The antivaxers are running out of excuses not to get immunised.
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Anyone can carry and transmit. Those that aren’t vaccinated shouldn’t be looked at as the carriers. Just so you know……
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That’s called discrimination, and violates human rights and freedom of choice. It’s like saying, why don’t we ban all boys from school because they are just bullies and troublemakers anyway. Everybody has the right to do what they believe is right for their families, and if that is different than what you do for yours, you have no right to belittle those who do it differently!
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Actually, it’s nothing like saying lets ban all boys.
And do you seriously not see that these decisions have ramifications for other people’s children and the wider community? It is not simply something that effects your own family. Or do you think that we should get rid of all vaccinations? What do you honestly think would be the outcome of that? Good for the community?
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Its not descrimination, its protecting the innocent from potentially life threatening illnesses. You are free to not vaccinate your child, but when your choice threatens the health of others in the community thats when your freedom of choice impacts upon everyone else and makes it dangerous for all of us. My choice to vaccinate doesnt hurt anyone else.
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So (here I go again), should I be allowed to speed and drive whilst drunk*? After all, I have a right to make decisions for myself and I’m not saying you have to do it too. Or is that somehow “different”?
*I don’t drink, btw, but “driving sober” just doesn’t work for the point I’m making.
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Whilst we are at it (tongue firmly in cheek) let’s ban parents who send their children to daycare & school with gastro & big green snot candles hanging out their noses – gastro is a risk to pregnant women, & children – dehydration & the like! And yet this behaviour goes on….insert laughing (sort of) emoticon face. Yes, this happened recently at my kindy – 6 workers came down with gastro after many many children were sent to kindy with …….gastro….but apparently they just ate too much the night before! I’m pretty sure all these children are vaccinated children of far more intelligent parents who know they are more special than parents who don’t send their kids to these places sick, cos their working life is more special than others. (tongue firmly in cheek taking the piss – mostly of silly arguments that non-vaxers are smug/ idiots etc, I’ve met a few & they are human beings in my mind)
I’m all for everyone having their opinions on who is allowed to send their kids to school or not, but you better be on bloody holy ground when you tell other’s they should be banned, when so many parents are so happy to palm their infectious children off to daycare centres & schools, infecting everyone around them. And in my humble opinion, if your child is infectious with whatever, it is in the best interests of that infected child to rest & recover at home- I’m not interested in any arguments about what’s more serious because the principal underpinning it is the same & it requires the same level of honesty & ethical behaviour by parents.
Sending out happy vibes to all during this always heated debate.
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There’s a massive difference between children at daycare sharing common cold viruses, and more serious, vaccine- preventable, illnesses such as whooping cough and measles.
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