A recent survey found more than two thirds of us research our medications on-line and half of us turn to “Dr Google” for diagnosis. But how do you know the information you are getting online is accurate? Basically, you don’t. In fact studies show if you search Google for “vaccination”, 60% of the results will not only be misleading but downright scary. In a time when vaccine-preventable diseases such as whooping cough and measles are in the news again, it’s critically important to know the facts about vaccination so that you can protect your kids and yourself.
So, let’s take a look at some of the common myths about vaccination and why they’re wrong.
Myth 1: Vaccines cause autism.
No doubt you’ve heard this myth – it’s been around for some time now. In a nutshell, there is no solid scientific evidence for a link between vaccines and autism. And believe me, science has been looking for well over 14 years. The theory that vaccines cause autism was first suggested by Andrew Wakefield in 1998. Since then, Wakefield’s paper has been discredited and withdrawn from The Lancet and Wakefield has lost his medical licence for showing “callous disregard” for children’s welfare.
Since 1998 there have been countless large and comprehensive studies looking for a link between vaccines and autism, but the evidence keeps coming up negative. The largest study was done in Denmark and covered all children born from January 1991 through December 1998. A total of 537,303 children of which eighty-two percent were vaccinated for MMR were examined and there was no association between vaccination and the development of autistic disorder.
Further, in August 2011, an exhaustive review of the scientific literature by the Institute of Medicine in the US concluded that overall “few health problems are caused by or clearly associated with vaccines”. And when I say “exhaustive review”, I mean 12,000 peer-reviewed articles, covering eight different vaccines were pored over by a committee of 18 experts in the largest review of adverse events associated with vaccines since 1994. It was a thorough and herculean effort concluding that there is no causal relationship between vaccines and autism.
Myth 2: Vaccines contain mercury
Mercury was removed from all routine childhood vaccines in Australia in the year 2000 (with the exception of one type of HepB vaccine which contains trace amounts) and it was never in the MMR vaccine. Prior to 2000, thimerosal, an organomercury compound, was used in the manufacturing process of vaccines as a preservative. The process left only trace amounts in the finished product – you ingest more mercury when you eat a can of tuna than you would ever get from a vaccine. Also there are two types of mercury – methyl mercury is the scary environmental toxin that “bioaccumulates” in your body, and ethyl mercury the type found in thimerosal, which does not bioaccumulate.
If thimerosal was implicated in autism, you would expect a significant drop in cases after its removal. Instead the opposite is true – autism rates continue to rise.
Myth 3: Vaccines contain toxic ingredients

Jenny McCarthy whose son was diagnosed with autism led the charge against vaccinations claiming there was a link between the condition and immunisations.
Look anywhere on the Internet and you’ll find long scary looking lists of chemicals that anti-vaccine advocates claim are present in vaccines. Things such as anti-freeze, formaldehyde, aluminium phosphate, human fetal tissue, monkey kidney and lung cells, and most famously mercury. They also claim vaccines cause diseases such as AIDS, asthma, autism, cancers, diabetes, leukemia, lupus, SIDS, the list goes on. Many of these claims are quite simply untrue. The rest, without exception, misrepresent the facts.
For example, some viruses are grown on cell lines in the laboratory that were obtained from aborted fetal tissue many years ago. When a virus is grown on cells like these, it is extensively purified and many steps later, prepared into a vaccine. To say there are aborted human fetus cells in the vaccine is a bit like saying there is dirt in apples since they were once grown on a tree that grew in dirt. It’s misleading, scaremongering and simply not true. As for formaldehyde, there are trace amounts of formaldehyde in vaccines but much less than what your body naturally produces everyday.
Some vaccines do contain tiny amounts of metals like aluminium which have been used for over 80 years to increase the effectiveness of the vaccine. These are known as “adjuvants” and work like a booster to kick start the immune system into making antibodies. But just as the “dose makes the poison”, the concentrations of these metals are so low as to not be harmful to the body. Similarly, small doses of paracetamol cure pain but large doses have been known to cause liver failure.
Myth 4: Vaccines have never been tested.
All vaccines currently available in Australia must pass stringent safety testing before being approved for use by the Therapeutic Goods Administration (TGA), which is our government body responsible for regulating pharmaceuticals. Multiple clinical trials for safety and effectiveness are also performed as part of the development process (which takes anywhere between 10 to 15 years, and many millions of dollars) and safety monitoring continues for as long as the vaccine is in use.
For example with the polio vaccine, two million kids were involved in the field trial which was conducted in the US in 1954. More recently, the safety of the new cervical cancer vaccines was studied in large-scale clinical trials involving more than 50,000 people before being licensed for use. Safety continues to be monitored after 35 million doses with the majority of side effects being fever, headache and other minor ailments.
Like any medical procedure there are risks associated with the use of vaccines. This was brought to light in 2010 when dozens of kids suffered high temperatures and convulsions following administration of the flu vaccine. The vaccine was immediately withdrawn from use and the government commenced an investigation.
When people claim that vaccines have “never been tested” they usually mean that they have not undergone randomized placebo controlled trials (RCTs). To do an RCT of a vaccine you would need to take two groups of kids, give one group the vaccine, and the other a placebo, then expose both groups to the disease to see which ones survive. Raise your hand if you can see the problem here…
Not only would such an experiment be unethical, it’s unnecessary. We have extensive evidence demonstrating the effectiveness of vaccines; the eradication of smallpox and the near-eradication of polio from the world are just two examples.
Myth 5: Vaccines don’t work because children who are vaccinated can still get the disease.
No vaccine is 100% effective, and since everybody’s physiology is different, not everyone will develop immunity to the same degree; a vaccine is not a force field. But while you can still breathe in a virus or pick up bacteria off a door handle, the seriousness of the disease will be significantly reduced if you have been vaccinated. In the case of pertussis or whooping cough, severe complications such as seizures and pneumonia occur almost exclusively in unvaccinated people and one in every 200 babies who contract the disease will die.
Also, vaccine-induced and naturally acquired immunity fades over time. Notably, immunity from the whooping cough is not lifelong and infected adults, including child care workers and early years professionals, may be passing the infection on to children. This is why it is so important to get boosters if you are around young kids – especially those who are too young to be vaccinated. If you’re a parent make sure you, the grandparents, and other relatives and friends have boosters before they get to meet baby. Talk to your GP for advice on pertussis boosters (which are free until June 2012 in Victoria).
Myth 6: Improved living standards, not vaccination have reduced disease.
The three most significant factors in the reduction of infectious disease have been clean water, sewerage systems, and vaccination. But even in isolation, vaccination has made a huge dent in reducing rates of disease. Following the introduction of the national meningococcal C immunisation program in January 2003, the number of cases decreased by 39% while numbers of people admitted to hospital with the disease was down by 47%. When the Haemophilus influenzae type B (Hib) vaccination was introduced into Australia in 1992 there was a 94% reduction in cases in children under the age of five (the most frequent illnesses caused by Hib are meningitis, septicemia and pneumonia). Yet living conditions in Australia have changed only marginally since 1992 or 2003. Vaccines have also significantly reduced suffering from the complications of infectious disease. Whilst mortality from polio was less than twenty percent, complications such as paralysis, skeletal deformities, and prolonged immobility during confinement in an iron lung caused significant suffering, all of which were eliminated by widespread vaccination.
Myth 7: Infectious diseases are not serious; children are meant to get them.
Just because they’re called “childhood diseases” doesn’t mean it’s okay for kids to get them and neither are they necessarily benign. Let’s take a look at whooping cough as an example, since Australia has been the grips of an epidemic for several years now.
Whooping cough is much more than “just a bad cough”. Kids often turn blue from lack of oxygen during coughing fits, they may vomit after severe attacks, and even fracture ribs. There is no cure for whooping cough – antibiotics are given to help stop the transmission to others – you just have to hope your immune system can fight it. Severe complications such as pneumonia and brain damage occur almost exclusively in unvaccinated people and in babies under 6 months of age the symptoms can be severe or life threatening. Whooping cough is also known as the 100-day cough making it a chronic and potentially fatal disease.
If you still think infectious diseases are harmless, wander through your local cemetery one day and note how many children died from diseases that we no longer see in society today – stamped out largely due to mass vaccination. Some of us are old enough to remember the images of children in iron lungs and calipers during the scourge of polio, which was wiped out by vaccination.
Myth 8: Vaccines cause or spread the diseases they are supposed to prevent.
Experiencing a slight temperature and/or a sore arm after getting a vaccine is actually a good thing. While some people misinterpret this as “getting the flu after the flu vaccine” it simply indicates that your immune system is responding. Vaccines work by priming your immune system with a part of the disease, usually inactivated particles or a fraction of the organism, so that it can make antibodies. This means next time you come across the disease in the environment your body is ready with an arsenal of antibodies to attack it before it can make you really sick.
Vaccines are not 100% safe – no medical intervention is without risk – and mistakes do happen. In the 1950s in America there was a spate of cases of polio caused by the vaccine, but this was due to a mistake in the manufacturing process and was quickly corrected. Regulations, monitoring and quality control has greatly increased since that time, meaning incidents such as this are very unlikely to be repeated. The risks associated with the disease greatly outweigh the risk from a vaccine.
Myth 9: My child’s immune system will be overwhelmed.
Some parents worry that vaccines weaken or overwhelm the immune system, particularly when given to babies or when multiple vaccines are given at the same time. Children are exposed to many foreign particles on a daily basis through activities such as routine eating, drinking and playing and vaccines contain only a tiny number in comparison to what children encounter every day in their environment. The amount of immune challenges that children fight every day (2,000 — 6,000) is significantly greater than the number of antigens in any combination of vaccines (about 150 for the entire vaccination schedule).
More information: This is certainly not an exhaustive list of myths surrounding vaccination. If you’d like to know more, the following sources contain accurate and easy to read information for parents on vaccination including myths, misconceptions and information about the diseases.
Chain of Protection is an initiative of The National Centre for Immunisation Research and Surveillance (NCIRS) which contains lots of vaccine information, videos and more.
The NCIRS also produce the MMR Decision Aid which is a step-by-step guide to the MMR.
A great general resource for parents wanting to know more about vaccination can be found in the Australian Government publication; Understanding Childhood Immunisation Booklet (highly recommended)
General questions about vaccination can be found on the Australian Governments website; Frequently asked Questions About Immunisation
For more detailed information about vaccines, with references to scientific studies, see the Australian Government’s Handbook; Immunisation Myths and Realities, Responding to Arguments about Immunisation
A complete schedule of the current vaccinations required under the National Immunisation Program can be found here.
Please note: The AVN has flooded the comments section below with pseudo-science and inflated numbers. We have ourselves noticed many people using the same IP address and now an AVN supporter has admitted to posting at least 30 times from just one user, using fake IP addressed. So you’re aware of the tactics used.
If you’re after a more light hearted parody of the refusal to acknowledge real science, check out this video:
So, any questions?
Dr. Rachael Dunlop is a medical researcher, science communicator and campaigner for science-based medicine in Australia, with a special interest in the anti-vaccination movement and alternative medicine. Rachael started life as a fine artist and graphic designer but was seduced by the secret world of virus and tropical diseases and was lured to university to study science. After 8 years of study in both Adelaide and Sydney, she surfaced with a PhD and an interest in diseases associated with ageing. Now working in medical research she is currently focused on the environmental triggers for motor neuron disease with a special interest in toxins found in blue green algae. Rachael is a vice president of the Australian Skeptics and a contributor to their magazine and website. She is member of the Mystery Investigators, a science show for kids that uses science to explain the strange and unusual such as UFOs and ghosts. Rachael is a reporter for The Skeptic Zone Podcast which reaches over 7000 listeners worldwide every week. She blogs at the Skeptics Book of PoohPooh and tweets at Dr Rachie. Rachael was the winner of the 2010 Shorty Award for Health and enjoys combining her love of science and art to communicate science to the public.











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When did we stop trusting authority figures and start believing we know better?
If doctors – trained medical professionals who’ve studied for years – tell us time and time again how important it is to vaccinate children we should bloody well do it! If they told you you had cancer you wouldn’t disagree with them because a self-diagnosis on the internet told you otherwise.
Not to get too political here but it reminds me of the good old climate change debate where completely unqualified people continue to protests against trained professionals and experts.
Anyway, vaccinate your kids!
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I’ve also been thinking its a bit like the climate change ‘debate’, in terms of the anti-science sentiment. The fascinating thing is that, in my limited experience anyway, its the exact opposite group of people. All the people I know who have not vaccinated their kids would be passionately for action on climate change. I don’t actually know many climate change ‘deniers’, but I’m guessing not many fall into the anti-vacc category.
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That’s because both new-age types AND conservatives are anti-science…I’m not sure which group is worse…
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What?! You mean there’s something in between?
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Spot on. It’s usually tied to an adherence to the Naturalistic Fallacy. They think that ‘intervention’ by man is automatically a bad thing b/c ‘nature’ is a ‘perfect’ system. This notion is usually tied to a type of ‘spirituality’ (say deism) that neglects that it’s possible for us to replicate & even improve on ‘naturally’ evolved mechanisms. This attitude is usually accompanied by a liberal dose of cherry picking when it comes to risk assessment (ie: it’s clearly more dangerous to drive than it is vaccinate but most AV’ers I’ve ever met whack their newborns in a car at every opportunity), add a smattering of argument from ignorance & the modern trump card of people trusting their own experience (anecdote as/over data) and, well, here we are.
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I think because the healthcare system has altered in a way that makes it difficult for doctors to individuate care. I ended up having to find a systemic infection on my own after a surgery because the various doctors I went to couldn’t spend enough time with me to catch on to the fact that I did not have a psychological problem and was dealing with an actual infection. (Basically, I DID have to self-diagnose and ignore their diagnosis; fortunately, I have a BA in psychology, was interested most by health psychology, and thus could understand both medical jargon and good vs. bad medical science). Then I brought the diagnosis to the doctor, which was confirmed and treated.
I’m pro-vaccine, in general (and definitely in my own case!), but because there are cases where vaccines are not necessarily a good idea (eg. family or personal history of reaction), it is necessary to also look at the matter case-by-case. It is almost always a good idea to vaccinate, but it isn’t always a good idea to vaccinate, and if doctors do not have sufficient time to look at cases individually, the individual has to try to do it him/herself. And that’s where trouble can come in – individuals who have no choice but to decide for themselves, but do not have a sufficient medical background to make the best decision. If doctors could sit down with their patients long enough to decide, on a case-by-case basis, if each vaccination is a good idea for the patient or not and then explain it to said patient, vaccination would go up. Yes, there would still be people who refuse for reasons I don’t understand, but others could trust what the doctors are saying.
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Great article, thanks MM:) and for what it’s worth I put more faith in the author of this article than I do in Jenny McCarthy, who basically seems to be looking for someone to blame for her sons autism:(
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Whilst I appreciate the points being presented here, I don’t like the broad statement that “few health problems are caused by or clearly associated with vaccines”. Having read nearly all of the review (still reading it!), it is stated that “for the majority of cases (135 vaccine-adverse event pairs), the evidence was inadequate to accept or reject a causal relationship” – which means they were able to show there is or is not a causal relationship for only 23 out of 158 vaccine related events. The review states that it is inaccurate to interpret the report as saying “because the committee did not find convincing evidence that the vaccine does cause the adverse event, the vaccine is safe”. Therefore, saying that “few health problems are caused by or clearly associated with vaccines” is what was concluded by this particular review is actually contradictory to what is summarised by the review and to the purpose for which the review was commissioned. I feel that by saying “few health problems are caused by or clearly associated with vaccines” people are being mislead to believe that the incidence rate of adverse effect to vaccines is very low, or that because this review did not find casual relationships for all adverse affects that all vaccines are safe to use, which differs greatly from what is said in the review and what the review was commissioned to prove.
Please note I do agree that autism is not caused by MMR; this has been proven over and over. Nor am I anti-vaccinations. I just disagree with the presented conclusion of the review.
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Hi Guest, you’re right that the IOM report is long, complex and doesn’t say outright that vaccines are 100% safe. We simply can’t say this in science because nothing is 100%. Even so, the last line of the abstract does say, “However, for the majority of cases (135 vaccine-adverse event pairs), the evidence was inadequate to accept or reject a causal relationship. Overall, the committee concludes that few health problems are caused by or clearly associated with vaccines”. From http://www.iom.edu/Reports/2011/Adverse-Effects-of-Vaccines-Evidence-and-Causality.aspx
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Yeah, I have a question.
Are some vaccinations produced using an egg protein? If so, what are the ramifications for kids with egg allergies?
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Sometimes a skin test is done prior to the vaccination to see if the child will react. This isnt done very much anymore. Otherwise, age-appropriate immunization material containing the lowest amount of egg proteins should be chosen, then a 1/10 dose should be given followed by a 30 observation period in a medical setting fully equipped to treat any possible reaction.
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Hi Anon today
My son has had a bad reaction (as opposed to an allergic reaction) uncooked or partly cooked egg whites in the past (no problem with well-cooked egg whites or the yolk) and I brought this up with his doctor when it was shot time. She looked into it with the manufacturer and postponed the shots until she was satisfied that there was nothing to worry about. There was no problem with any of the shots he received.
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Is it just the flu vaccine that’s cultured in chicken eggs/embryos, or are there others? If so, what do parents do for children with severe feather/egg allergies?
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Jenny McCarthy – may be anti vax but happy to pump her face full of Botox…go figure
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Agreed! The toxin to top all toxins! She’d have some lame comeback that she wasn’t doing it to her kids though. What a hypocrite!
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She also doesn’t mind the odd cigarette…
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and sleep with Jim Carey….. shivers!
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No doubt it’s organic Botox, without any of the toxins…
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Botox without the toxin, wouldn’t that make it water
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or homeopathy…
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Dr Rachel has some FANTASTIC entries regarding the proof of the uselessness of homeopathic remedies on her blog
http://scepticsbook.com/
Bring on a MM article about it, please, please, please!!!
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Ben Goldacre also has some awesome ones in his book. I second that suggestion – would LOVE something about homeopathy….
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Oh oh – I second that. Homeopathy is one of my fave topics to debate on. I’m a science writer too so lovin’ this vax debate too.
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It is a hot topic at the moment as last week it came to light that a deal had been struck between Blackmore’s, Australia’s most prominent manufacturer of snake oil, and the Pharmacy Guild of Australia (NOT pharmacists – most are outraged) who would have pharmacists recommending rubbish when customers had certain prescriptions filled.
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Yes! I couldn’t believe the Pharmacy Guild would do that – thankfully they have now retracted the deal with Blackmore’s.
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That would make it Bo!
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And happy to pump her boobs full of silicone!
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Fantastic post.
The amount of pseudo-science that (lots of average, normal) people genuinely believe is scary. Which leads me to my request/question. MM, please ask Rachel Dunlop to do a post on alternative therapies. Particularly the logical fallacies people use to justify them.
My friend has a brain tumour.Long story short. Radiation has failed to shrink it. He and his family are at their wits end and feel that since “conventional” medicine isn’t offering enough answers they’re going to try the “alkaline diet”. I know it is basically rubbish…but find it hard to argue that to them. In fact I try not to, because I am not a good debater, and feel that my ineffectiveness at explaining to them will just confirm to them they’re right. All I do is seek assurances they’ll not stop the radiation therapy and speak to their doctors about this alternative treatment. These people are very rational and quite intelligent. Scary.
Anyway, I guess my point is that pseudo-science is everywhere, so rational thinking needs to be spread too. More articles by Rachel PLEASE!!
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There’s that old adage – “We have a name for alternative medicine that has been proven to work. It’s called ‘medicine’.”
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Yes Trixie
That is in one of Tim Minchin’s awesome songs.
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How do you know the alkaline diet is rubbish? I have actually been doing that diet myself after years of feeling exhausted and unwell. I have more energy than I can believe and actually bounce out of bed in the morning! Don’t knock it till you try it!
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Yes, but I don’t think you have a brain tumour you are trying to cure!!
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In their case I think it’s called clutching at straws….
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Yes Guest. Maybe I need to be more specific. I think the alkaline diet as a cure for cancer is rubbish. I have no doubt eating a diet rich in fruit and vegetables has given you more energy.
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Actually my grandfather had a very serious pancreatic cancer and the doctors said it really wasnt looking good at all, He completely changed his lifestyle to an alkaline diet and was surfing every morning at the age of 78 within 2 years of the diet. It might seem mystical to you but maybe you should read up on it. If it saved my grandad it could save someone else. and believe me we were all skeptics in the beginning too!
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I have immunised my kids so dont attack me (although I do actually see both side – very hard decision AND so over the attack of parents on both sides who are just trying to do the best they can with the information that they have!) but there seems to be a common theme that so many people still get these diseases, sicknesses, etc yet they are immunised!!! Dont understand that.?.?. just saying… In nearly all the posts below say this, they blame a parent that hasnt immunised their kid – yet how come they still get it if they are? I am mainly asking not to throw some of you into a fit but how good is the vaccines if this occurs?? Genuine question…
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When I had my first child – my Mother-In-Law pulled me aside ( as she knows I can be a bit of a hippee!) and told me about how my husband had Whooping cough 3 times as a baby and Mother to Mother – eyeball to eyeball – heart to heart… I could feel and see her pain she suffered watching her beautiful baby in so much pain so I went ahead and immunised. But still stand by taht I can see both sides and I dont really have an answer but maybe its not a ‘one size fits all’ ???
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Hi Curious.
Unlees I’ve misunderstood your question, the answer to your question is in Myth 5.
You mentioned that ..”so many people stiil get the diseases, sicknesses…”. The fact is that relative to a population with no access to immunisation there are very few who get the disease post vaccination and even then it is usually less severe.
Whilst I agree that attack has no place in this discussion I make no excuse for the insistance that parents accept the science.This is not a debate. Immunologists over decades have spent their careers studying the effect of immunisations. Their conclusion is that immunisation is an overwhelmingly positive thing for individuals and populations. To argue otherwise is arogant and ill informed. (I’m referring not to you but the anti-immunisation lobby).
Cheers
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Thanks Caro, dont think I can actually explain what I am thinking haha… But I agree with your post, thank you… I am someone that can truly see both sides of the emotional side to it I guess.
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Hi Curious, I understand where you are coming from, but I think it has to do with a few things like ever changing viruses, and each person’s individual immunity from the vaccine. I don’t think it would be possible to make a 100% effective vaccine (yet) due to these kinds of variances.
My almost 3yo daughter, is getting over whooping cough right now. She is fairly freshly vaxxed yet she somehow caught it from day care (there were three other cases, all kids vaxxed that I know of) BUT all four of them had extremely mild cases of WC. They all had medication (which only makes them not contagious anymore, it doesn’t heal them) and got back to school, in around 3 weeks. My daughter unfortunately developed pneumonia as well so she was off for a bit longer and suffered from that. Not fun at all. Had they not been vaxxed, the likelihood is that their illnesses would have been much worse. In comparison, my husband had it two years ago and was off work and practically incapacitated for almost 8 weeks – and he had even had a booster!
I read a comment on another forum once that really appealed to me. (I’m paraphrasing here too) – “You wouldn’t send your soldiers to fight a war without some kind of weapon or defence system. Why send your kids to fight disease without some kind of defence system as well?”
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Good point re soldiers going to war with weapons… I hope your daughter is all well now.
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I don’t think it’s a very hard decision – decades of proven scientific study versus rumours, bad practice and ignorance. I know which one my mum chose.
It’s all very well to note that many diseases still exist (measles, mumps etc) but polio is one example that stands out – how many people in Australia now get polio? How many kids now die from diseases like measles? You have to look at this historically, socially and economically. How much money we save in health care costs because fewer people get these diseases and they get them less severely. Compare that to past rates.
Please jump onto google scholar and look up some peer-reviewed studies of vaccine effectiveness and the history of vaccines. They will help your understanding.
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“so over the attack of parents on both sides who are just trying to do the best they can with the information that they have!”
I’m sure it’s frustrating but what we have here is one set of people who, wanting to know how to maintain their car, speak to mechanics and read information written by auto engineers. On the other side we have people who prefer to get their mechanical advice from the ironing lady – because they trust her, for some reason, and she does own a car.
If the ironing lady tells them to put water in their fuel tank and wave a crystal over their worn out brake pads, they’ll do it – especially if the mechanic says to never, ever do those things. After all, mechanics have a vested interest in making your car un-roadworthy while ironing ladies have no such interest (though we should never seek their advice on ironing).
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Great article. My children have all been immunised but my eldest son had quite a bad dose of chicken pox at age 8. He got this because a local family – who didn’t believe in immunising their own children – had him around to dinner to entertain their three children who were all home from school with chicken pox. Obviously I didn’t know the children were sick but the parents deliberately invited my son because they knew he was immunised so “it didn’t matter”.
Time and time again I find that people who don’t “believe” in immunisation do so based on misinformation and myths and it is the rest of society that pays the price.
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People do some very strange things…
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Thanks for this article Rachel – I wish someone (I’m talking to you Nicola Roxon) would pay for an advertising campaign on TV so all these myths would be dispelled for everyone!
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Hi Liz, I agree. I know of parents who have had meetings with government health minsters both state and federal to ask them to conduct a pertussis awareness campaign. Kids are still dying from this disease and some of the problem lies with the very low rate of immunity in adults. Most of us don’t even know that our immunity wanes over time and that we need to get boosters.
As I mentioned in the article some governments are offering the booster for carers, parents and those at risk, but not all of them. I’m not in this group so for me to get a booster, I have to get a script for Boostrix then go and buy it from the pharmacy then go back to the GP to get it done. Surely when we’re in the grips of an epidemic it should be freely available and easy to access.
The government could certainly do a lot more.
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I want to know why adults immunisation records aren’t linked to medicare like the kids’ ones are.
I also really want to know though why people with a bullshit conscientious objection still get medicare and the maternity immunisation allowance.
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Don’t forget Council Immunisation Services! No script required, however there is a fee involved for the vaccine.
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Not here – I just rock up and they ask how old, get out the jabs required and go. I got the Whooping Cough/Tetanus/Diphtheria booster free on day 1 post natally, and my parents got their boosters free too at their GP. They had them sitting there waiting.
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Yes, sorry. We in SA don’t have funded Boostrix for anyone. We did for about 3 months at the end of last year, but alas, not any more…..
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When I was in hospital after having my first child our midwife was well into her 60′s and she told us she can remember the pain of whooping cough. She had it when she was THREE. Why would anyone want that for their children?
We had boosters when our son was born and boy did it hurt. My boyfriend is terrified of needles and still had the injection because he knows just how important it is, not for himself, but for babies and children who have not or are too young to be vaccinated. I got terribly sick for 24hrs afterwards but you know what I’d do it all over again every month if needed if it saved the life of one little baby.
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@Tutu – It’s great that you are sharing your story, but I feel I should include a more positive counter-comment too ; )
My husband and I got our boosters when our baby was born, and apart from a short pinch when we got the needle, I had only a slightly sore, raised spot the next day at the injection site. My son cried for less than 30 seconds when he received his shots (at 2, 4 and 6 months) and had no other symptoms. So it’s not always bad!
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Love this trixie melodian. I had a booster last year. Hardly felt anything. My arm was a little sore to touch for a couple of days but I would rather this 100 times over than a case of Whooping Cough!
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I have a 2 week old and have just found out that one of my friends hasn’t vaccinated her 3 kids. I couldn’t get a particularly logical answer out of her – she couldn’t even remember what sources had informed her decision, and the best reason she could come up with was something about how vaccination in childhood would put her kids at risk of suffering more serious complications/infections if they caught the diseases later in life.
We have only recently moved and this family has been a lifeline to us. I’m absolutely devastated – I feel betrayed that she didn’t tell me earlier, as well as devastated that I suddenly have to choose between our friendship (and my older child’s with hers) and putting my newborn’s life at risk. I’m going to move her vaccinations forward from 8 weeks to 6 weeks to minimise the risk but still. It’s an awful position to be in
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I can’t stand when parents judge each other over how we choose to bring our children up ie breastfeeding, stay at home mums etc… HOWEVER this topic of immunisation I am going to sound very judgemental!!! It should be mandatory for children to be immunised. I cannot understand how parents can put their children at risk by not doing it. I also feel its wrong for parents to have access to childcare if the child is not immunised. Sure, they may not get the child care benefit and have to pay full fee but I don’t believe that is enough. They are putting other people’s (who do they right thing and get their child immunised) children at risk also. Also, what is with the government paying an Immunisation Allowance? We are getting paid to do something that as decent parents we should be doing anyway… ugh, the whole subject makes me angry……now bring on the comments where what I am saying is soooo wrong…..
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I think when every credible medical study agree with vaccination I don’t believe it is judgemental to disagree with non vaxers. They are a selfish bunch of new age hippies.
I am still not clear on the rules regarding non vaccinated children being allowed at school, but I assume that they must be. I didn’t realise that non vaccinated children aren’t eligible for the childcare rebate either – and I agree that it’s a pity they are allowed there at all.
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It is illegal to refuse entry to any child at childcare or school because they are not immunised. But, if an outbreak of an illness occurs, non-vaccinated children are required to be kept at home until it is over. Non-vaccinated families are still eligible for the childcare rebate. There is an immunisation allowance given at 18months of age, still accessible for non-vaccinating families if they fill out a concientious objection form, signed by their doctor.
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“There is an immunisation allowance given at 18months of age, still accessible for non-vaccinating families if they fill out a concientious objection form”
Huh? If there’s a logical reason for this, I don’t understand it.
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The law in ths country supports individual choice in this matter. Although often presented otherwise, it is illegal for Centrelink to withhold payments to non-vaccinators. That payment should probably be called something else. But the signed concientious objection form means that all the issues and risks surrounding immunisation have been discussed with the doctor.
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It’s tragic, however, when individual choice means that a whooping cough or meningococcal outbreak causes a baby’s death. Individual choice should not supercede life or safety for vulnerable members of society. Unless there is a genuine medical contraindication, vaccines should be mandatory for entry into school and childcare.
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“I personally feel very uncomfortable about giving up personal choice and freedoms in the way you suggested..”
Even if it costs a child it’s life?
I personally, would have liked the freedom of going out without fear of my new baby catching WC for the first 6 months of his life. I didnt get that freedom because of anti vaccinationists. As herd immunity drops lower and lower, WC becomes more and more prevalent. Moreover, it is most contagious during the cattharal, or asymptomatic stage of the illness, meaning it can be spread without you even knowing you are ill yet.
Im terms of personal freedoms, vaccinatio n is not like other freedoms such as birth choices, breastfeeding vs. formula etc…that do not impact on others. Vaccination is a public health issue, and I reiterate that freedom should not supercede safety. When others choose not to vaccinate, vulnerable members of the community are at risk. Unfortunately, you must own your discomfort about my beliefs about vaccination freedom, just as *I* must own being uncomfortable about the fact that my new baby is at risk of catching VPD’s in this society of waning herd immunity.
There are rights. And there are responsibilities.
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Anonymous is me, Steph.
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Isnt it ridiculous? It is supposed to be a benefit and a reward for vaccinating, yet those who dont vaccinate can receive it by making up any old rubbish on their objection form. Drives me bonkers.
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No matter how me or you feel about non-vaccinators, I personally feel very uncomfortable about giving up personal choice and freedoms in the way you suggested.
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I can explain the immunisation allowance. There are two types of people who don’t vaccinate their kids. Parents who have made a conscious choice (informed or otherwise) and a large group of parents who just couldn’t be bothered or didn’t get round to it. For whatever reason, this group seems to be more motivated by the allowance and this is the group the govt is targeting. As this group has no objection to vaccinations, if they have to go to the dr to get the form signed they will probably just vaccinate their kid while they are there.
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That is so unfair!!!! Immunisation register!!!! Not non-immunisation register!!!!
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If your children have vaccination then how would a non-vac be of any harm to them. And NO it is NOT mandatory to have vaccination to be in school in the US.
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I think the difference between breastfeeding/stay at home mums/etc and vaccinating is that if people don’t vaccinate their own children they’re putting other children in the community at risk. There’s no danger to others if they choose to breast feed over bottle feed or stay at home instead of working.
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If your child is vaccinated, how is it at risk?
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Well, firstly, Vaccinations aren’t 100% effective, so even if someone has been vaccinated they still may get the disease (albeit a more mild version). Secondly, there are certain populations that can’t be vaccinated, such as babies who are too young for the vaccinations. Given that babies are fairly susceptible to disease, it can be quite dangerous when people around them aren’t vaccinated.
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Wow that scares me. I hope that if I had a baby in child care that the child care would tell me if there was a child who’s parents don’t vaccinate. I would pull my baby out. Whooping cough is deadly.
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Alexis, privacy laws prevent child care centres/kinders/schools from sharing information regarding imunised/non immunised children.
My son’s kinder group includes at least one non-immunised child (I only know because her mum openly discusses it). Very frustrating that
it’s not compulsory to be immunised when going into environments where children are the main ‘clients’.
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I don’t understand, if your child is vaccinated then why are you concerned about a non vaccinated child being in the same childcare? Apparently your child is bulletproof after being jabbed right? So why bitch and moan about another parent who chooses not to pump their kid full of chemicals?
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Hi Liz, nobody said a vaccinated child is bulletproof no.
But it’s the best we’ve got.
And what of the kids in child care with newborn siblings or pregnant mothers at home who can’t be vaccinated?
What about immuno-suppressed family members?
Non-vaccinated kids pose a danger to many people.
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Any one ever heard of sheading? We should be afraid of getting something from the ones who have been vac.
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There is nothing wrong with what you’re saying Bec – I completely agree! I wish it was compulsory too but then there are many other medical choices that we get to make that aren’t compulsory so I can’t imagine this will ever be. I agree that it’s a public health issue (like breastfeeding) that we need as many people as possible to do it for the sake of community health. We also need to understand that some children can’t be vaccinated (eg. young babies, immuno-deficient, sick children) and for that reason it’s even more important that the rest of us are!
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I don’t believe you. You are simply pushing the medical profession line …. and keeping GPs employed by pushing vaccinations.
The UK Government offers up to 100 000 pounds compensation for adverse problems from vaccinations. Why would they do that if they were all perfectly safe.
People stop being sheeple … think for yourselves rather than do what you are told with a vested interest
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We’re mostly in Australia. GPs have nothing to do with vaccinations. I would suggest the govt has money like that available for compo because they so rarely have to pay it. Got any figures??
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My daughter suffered an adverse reaction which left her in the RCH for 4 months and now nearly blind with ongoing problems. Over 35 countries offer compensation for adverse reactions including even NZ. Australia is way behind but they have at least done a report into it. Search for Heath Kelly on google and read his report – there are adverse reaction which are life crippling but not common that is why you don’t hear about them. It is certainly no fallacy that is being ignorant.
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I just asked my sister about this as she works in the NHS. It’s a complete fallacy.
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It is no fallacy. Search google for no-fault compensation schemes and you will see nearly every non-third world country has one except Australia. Your sister needs to check her facts.
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Yes you do sound judgmental. When you have an autistic child, please feel free to have an opinion.
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my son is autistic, but i’d much rather have him this way and alive than dead from a preventable disease. Vaccines do not cause autism.
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Mama Mia very biased . Check your facts and talk to someone with a vaccine injured child . Also look at some recent studies out of Germany that have found vaccinated children to have far more illness then unvaccinated . I’m happy to say Im an unvaccinated 32 year old with 2 unvaccinated children 6&8 . Both parents with science medical backgrounds. Not one of us ever needed antibiotis or any trips to the Dr. All I can say is my children and I enjoy great health and yes it’s a personal decision . I encourage everyone to look at both sides of the science ! And not be pushed by fear one way or the other
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Illy, everything in the mamamia post has been peer reviewed and therefore is not ‘pushing’ fear.
I am proud to say that I have two fully vaccinated children who, like your unvaccinated children, have never required antibiotics. Saying that vaccination means a child will get sick is like saying missing one meal makes a person anorexic. I hope my children’s vaccination-induced immunity is enough to protect your children as you have left them unprotected. Seat belts are mandatory and legislated for, yet are known to cause injury; however the benefits far outweigh the risks. In my view, it should be the same with immunisation.
In addition to my comments to Illy, I wish to say that I have an autistic nephew. It has never crossed the mind of any of our family to blame it on immunisation. We saw what we now know to be ASD-type behaviour from him from birth. That the myth that austism is caused by vaccination is still perpetuated by anti-vaccinationists is abhorrent to me.
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Both parents have science medical backgrounds? What are they?
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What a bogus report. Read the CDC website & you’ll see how inaccurate this “scientific” report is.
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I didn’t even realise before I became a parent that some people don’t believe in vaccinations, I assumed everyone had common sense ?! Boy was I wrong.
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You don’t need to be smart to be a parent. I love how the anti-vaxers say how “healthy” they all are. I’m just as healthy and have not been sick in forever and I’ve had every vaccine out there practically. (I was in the army-they vax for all stuff!) Don’t these people know how dangerous whooping cough and measles and polio are??? As far as autism-kids that used to be diagnosed with mental retardation are now diagnosed with autism. The rate of dx. of mental retardation has decreased about the same as autism has increased. Hmmmm….. me thinks that there just might be a connection……
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I read a report recently (http://health.usnews.com/health-news/managing-your-healthcare/policy/articles/2011/01/05/chickenpox-vaccine-cuts-hospitalization-rates–study) which investigated just how much good the Chickenpox vaccine did -in the USA alone-::
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According to the Pediatrics study, the benefits of even the one-dose vaccination program translated not only into less illness and suffering, but monetary savings as well. During 2009, chickenpox vaccination resulted in savings of more than $1 billion in medical and societal costs, mostly because parents did not need to stay home from work to care for sick children, Lopez said.
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That’s
*one year
*one vaccine
*one country
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So, so happy that Mia and team continue to spread the word about the importance of vaccination but a little disheartened that vax vs. non-vax is still an issue in our society.
Thank you for posting correct information by a reputable doctor. I am by no means a doctor, but try my hardest to cease the perpetuation of vaccine related myths on a variety of forums. I must be doing something right, as a gaggle of anti vaccinationists are so peeved by my relaying of information that they have told me they would like to give me a vaccine enema, and administer a variety of poisons into my body…yanno, just like I do to MY OWN children! (Eyeroll). What they dont seem to understand is that I have lost a baby to stillbirth, and I will be damned if I will allow myself to lose another child, especially from a disease that is thoroughly preventable. Hopefully these clear, concise points from the article will drive home some sense into the anti vaccinationists.
Vaccines save lives. Delaying or eschewing them altogether is a recipe for disaster that will see measles, mumps, rubella, polio enter our community again. You’ll see babies born with Congenital Rubella Syndrome. You’ll see teenage boys rendered sterile from mumps. We are already seeing newborn whooping cough deaths. A 7 day old baby has recently died from Meningococcal in the suburb next to me. Tell, me, anti vaccinationists: How on Earth is the death of a baby from a vaccine preventable illness better than “pumpin’ them dun full o’ toxins?”
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For daily, and scary “OMG How Could They Believe That” moments, have a look at #StopAVN on twitter
https://twitter.com/#!/search?q=%23StopAVN
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I remember that enema comment on WENEVET…
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Brisbane just had it’s first case of diphtheria in may this year. The young woman’s friend had been to sth aftrica, brought back diphtheria unknowingly as she was vaccinated and passed it on to her unvaccinated friend, who died in hospital.
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I linked that story on a group’s board on Facebook, Faybian, after someone said that Diphtheria had been eradicated and there hadn’t been any cases recently. So I googled diphtheria – Brisbane and linked the story. The response? “Oh, I am talking about here, where I live. That has nothing to do with me”. Sigh.
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Grrrrrrr…..words fail
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The people that conduct these studys are often the people profiting from the vaccinations.
As for those expressing their opinions about the links between vaccinations and autism please consider how it feels to have a sick child, a mothers intuition and the god given right to be angry and the need to place blame because their child is suffering.
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I loved this article. My brother got whooping cough last year, even AFTER he’d been vaccinated. Why? Because according to our doctor, less parents were getting their kids vaccinated in our area, because of the whole ‘vaccinations cause autism’ rubbish, so whooping cough had poked it’s ugly head up around the area. I’m not a mum or anything, but i was still angry. I just think parents who don’t vaccinate their kids are incredibly selfish.
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This is rubbish, your brother got whooping cough because the vaccine is ineffective due to then changing it from a whole cell vaccine to an acellular vaccine. Aussie scientists discovered this fact and it was reported int the daily telegraph. Your doctor should perhaps read the medical news?
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Gawd I hope my dr isn’t relying on the tabloid telegraph for latest scientific research…instant dismissal…
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Yes, I agree. If he doesn’t have enough initiative to look for the study in a medical journal after seeing it reported in the news, he should definitely be dismissed

Just in case, I found the link to the study for him. It took me 5 minutes using google
http://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/16/2/08-1707_article.htm
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Dr Google strikes again!
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Yes, because the fact that the study can be found on google completely discredits research supported by the National Health and Medical Research Council of Australia, and all these scientists and specialists hard work right?:
“Author affiliations: University of New South Wales, Sydney, New South Wales, Australia (J. Kurniawan, R.P. Maharjan, W.-F. Chan, R. Lan); University of Sydney, Sydney (P.R. Reeves, V. Sintchenko, G.L. Gilbert); Westmead Hospital, Westmead, New South Wales, Australia (V. Sintchenko, G.L. Gilbert); National Institute for Public Health and the Environment, Bilthoven, the Netherlands (F.R. Mooi).”
FYI – false dr google information is usually not published in medical journals, nor credited as to who supported or carried out the “diagnosis”, but I guess I could go to my university, look up whichever journal that study would be published in, scan and upload to make you feel better?
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It is worth mentioning that some childhood diseases can effect a person’s health well into adulthood, and even cause premature death. My father contracted diptheria as a child. It caused damage to his heart, and caused him to die of a ruptured aorta at the ripe old age of 28.
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Nicki, my grandfather had a very similar experience and it affected his physical health for the rest of his life including his general health (robustness), operations on his heart (which were experimental and very risky in those days) and even his fertility.
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Great article!! How do you go about making it mandatory reading for every new parent in the Byron bay area?? They have the lowest immunisation percentages in the country!
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Making it mandatory takes away freedom of choice, and last time I checked, Australia was not a communist country.
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Making vaccinations mandatory does not equate to a communist state. There are hundreds of thousands of rules and regulations that you are required to comply with every day. For example, the law provides that you cannot legally drive without a driver’s licence, yet I doubt you would argue that unduly impedes your freedom.
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mandatory reading.
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Hmmm. By Cindy’s reckoning, Australia is a communist state because wearing a seatbelt is mandatory and legislated. I bet Cindy has no objection to wearing a seatbelt every time she rides in a car.
Though vaccination is not a guarantee that the vaccinated person will not contract the disease, it is known to significantly reduce the severity of those diseases and make them easier to treat. That’s more than good enough for me! A course of antibiotics for pertussis (whooping cough) versus death? I’m going to choose the antibiotics every time.
If only articles like this were provided to every expecting parent and covered by midwives at pre-admission appointments. Think how much unnecessary suffering could be prevented! I’m sure many remember the poor 4 week old baby who died if whooping cough a few years ago – all because of ‘conscientious objectors’ not vaccinating a child the baby came into contact with.
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I hope this article does something to change the minds of the anti vaxers, but unfortunately I doubt it, they will remain ill-informed idiots who fly in the face of every credible scientific study. They are so smug they make my blood boil, they think they know something that the rest of us don’t. They rely on ‘herd immunity’, and I would love to know what happens if they want to travel to a country where some of the diseases they refuse to be vaccinated for are rife – would they be so confident then? They know they can get away with not vaccinating here because the majority of people are.
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I’ve gotten into “debates” with some on a couple of forums and they always always give links to various dodgy sites. I always come back with, I dont give any credibilty to anything regarding vaccs to sites ending with .com.
If you have any links from WHO, .gov or .edu sites saying vaxing is bad I will be happy to read them. Unsurprisingly I have never recieved a reply OR links to any reputed sources. They are full of bullshit IMO.
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It is not that vaccines are bad it is just that people should be informed that they carry risks. Search Heath Kelly. He is an Australian who has recently submitted a report to the fed govt about the need to compensate those when vaccines have adverse reactions…and they can
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Anyone can submit a report about anything to the government in a democracy. Doesn’t mean it holds weight.
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ClaireC you are a sheep! Stop doing as you are told, look out side the box and talk to some people who’s lives have been changed forever because of potentially harmful vaccinations.
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Part 3: Minor edit required
“Things such as anti-freeze, mercury, formaldehyde, aluminium phosphate, human fetal tissue, monkey kidney and lung cells, and most famously mercury”
You list mercury twice.
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The metal so nice they named it twice … fixed. Thanks Idle.
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Also, the control group testing that is described as ethically-challenged has been done with the polio vaccine when it was introduced in the 1950s in the US.
One group of children were injected with the vaccine, another with a placebo and a third again with nothing.
The results of those tests were what got parents to line up to be immunised!
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Hi An Idle Dad, thanks for that. Would you like to be my sub-editor?
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I assume sub-eds get a $100K type package plus super plus bonus?
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Does anyone know where I can go looking for my medical history? As in, what vaccines I’ve had and how many doses? I’ve changed GP’s quite a few times since I was a baby and have no idea where the paperwork is that kept track of it all.
Thanks.
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the best way would be to have your immunity tested and get boosters for those you have no immunity on or low immunity with
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Medicare should have a record
they certainly do for my daughter- and she has lived in four different states. Worth a phone call.
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Recently I went to get my third course of Gardasil. My GP asked me when was the last time I got a booster for anything other than that, and as I genuinely couldn’t remember having any shots for the past four years he just gave me the MMR and Pertussis/Tetanus/Diptheria boosters there and then. Though do speak to your own GP first.
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How much does it cost to get boosters? I am a NZer and have never been vacinnated in Australia (I got all my shots as a kid, and a bunch about 7 years ago, but I can’t remember what and so I’m probably due for boosters…
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Your current doctor can order a blood test to determine your immunity to such things as MMR (measles, mumps, rubella), chicken pox, polio. The level of antibodies present will give an indication of previous vacc/ past exposure or lack there of.
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There is an Australian Vaccination Register. It only registers those vaccinations given under the age of five. The childhood vaccinations are all reported to the Register which is a division of Medicare.
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If it has been that long – since childhood- it won’t do your body any harm to just have the booster vaccines anyway. If your immunity tests come up negative, you are just going to have to have another doctor visit, and another lot of needles anyway.
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I had a blood test when my husband and I started to try and conceive to make sure all immunizations were up to date.
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Agree, this is a wonderfully factual,honest and impressive article. It’s brilliant to have the myths exploded in such a straight-forward manner. It too shal be passing this one on to as many people as I can.
On a personal note, we in our family have endured the terror of pertussis( whooping cough) in a baby under 6 mths. I would not wish that experience on my worst enemy. I firmly believe that we have a right to be stupid with our own health by our actions, but we DO NOT have the right to endanger public health, the lives of others, by practicing controversial beliefs which contravene what’s best for society.
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I totally agree with you. We too watched with horror at what our hospitalized newborn went through suffering pertussis at 4 weeks of age. Such a first world problem that could so easily be fixed if the misinformed only realised the true consequences of their actions. Wishing your child a future of good health.
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Thank you, the same to you.
PS. They jailed Typhoid Mary…not that I’m advocating incarceration for anti- vaxers, but some consequence for reckless endangerment, not only to their own children but to others, seems appropriate, IMO.
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Im a Registered Nurse and I see loads of sick kids. I dont have kids of my own, but I plan to vaccinate them, just like my mum vaccinated me. My mum is also a Registered Nurse, so I got every needle known to man as a child
I guess the point to make is that vaccination is more than just about your child and their best interests, its about trying to irridicate disease and make a more suitable environment for children and where vaccination doesnt exist, disease makes a come back – the far north coast of NSW has had several outbreaks of whooping cough because of the decline in rates of vaccination.
Getting sick costs money – getting medications, going to the doctor’s, calling in sick to work… A point to note aswell, all staff who work in NSW Health are all vaccinated. Most Police are vaccinated for Hepatitis aswell.
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I’m a registered nurse (and endorsed immuniser, so I’m not unbiased) in Qld and we have to at least have our hep b immunity checked and a bcg/tb. We are encouraged to get flu shots each year. I’ve looked after young kids with whooping cough and it ain’t pretty.
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Great article, thanks for a balanced scientific view.
I just hope Rachael will be around later when the comments are filled with anti-vax cr*p. There will be many, they will be lengthy and they will be filled with scientific jargon.
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Something tells me she will be
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is someone feeding her chocolate and massaging her shoulders?!
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The article is good, but I just thought I’d say (and I don’t know if this has already been mentioned) that under point six, there is a mention of the influenza type B (Hib) vaccine- the Hib vaccine is not for influenza (the virus that causes the flu) but for Haemophilus influenzae- a bacteria that causes meningitis in children among other things.
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Hi Caitlin, you’re right. I thought I changed that in the final version but somehow it made it through. Thanks for picking that up. Maybe Rick can correct this if we ask him nicely..
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This is a great article. I’m a GP and hubby is a paediatrician and between us we see the problems of kids not being vaccinated. We also have 3 kids which are all fully vaccinated. Vaccines are so well researched and what we do know is that the benefits of them far outweigh any risks (eg a sore arm, slight fever for a day). People that are concerned about the risks should visit a third world country where so many children are sick from and dying of these diseases. They might then appreciate why vaccines exist and what they can prevent. You would never want to see your kids suffer like those children do. People here take it for granted that their kids won’t get sick because there is so much less disease because of vaccination. I am going to print this article to give to any of my patients that are reluctant or unsure.
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As a GP I am surprised at your ignorance. I believe in vaccinations but to tell your patients the worst thing that can happen is sore arm or fever is ignorant and negligent at best. My daughter developed Stevens-Johnson syndrome after her vaccination. She spent 2 weeks in ICU at RCH followed by 9 weeks in the burns unit. She is now partially blind and suffers other health issues. My doctor said the same as you and I am seeking legal advice. Do not make false claims when you are dealing with other people’s lives. The govt iseven considering a no-fault compensation scheme for adverse reactions to vaccinations. I am happy to email you this feedback from Nicola Roxon’s office to prove this. People slso take it got granted that the vaccinations will
do no harm to their children just like I did. All is ask for is the truth from people like you to make the right decision.
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“As a GP” lol, don’t they teach you about grammar at all during med school?
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BRILLIANT!!! Thanks very much indeed for this.
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My take is that anti-vaxxers think their kids are a bit more special, a bit more loved than most. We are very blessed to live somewhere vaccination is available and affordable. People in 3rd world countries would not believe some Australians reject the opportunity to have their kids vaccinated. They’d think, ‘what fools’ and they’d be right.
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This.
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And of course, that all doctors/nurses/immunologists and indeed anyone with any sort of science degree are in the pocket of big pharma.
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I had that one thrown at me the other day – that all universities and therefore anyone who studies at one has been biased by the pharmaceutical companies. I was genuinely gobsmacked. In my 7 years studying health science I never once heard “and brought to you by….”. I was told that my degrees are “worthless” and so was my opinion. Shocking the ignorance that some people have.
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Eurgh I feel for you.
I study history and I get the same sort of comments. Not pharma companies of course… that would be weird… but I get many people telling me that I’m in the pocket of ‘the elite’, whoever they are, which would actually be kind of nice. I need some cashola for my upcoming phd!
Take solace in the fact that they will one day get sick and have to take advice from someone with your skills and knowledge and they’ll have to eat their words.
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Ha, I wish we actually got paid by these mythical elite and pharma companies!! In one sense they are probably correct, these big companies probably do make donations to universities, as do lots of companies. But it doesn’t buy an opinion or an education. We get taught scientific method, evidence based practice, the medical model etc etc. and all that teaches you to view things critically, not biased!
Good luck with the Phd. I have alot of respect for those who seek the floppy hat. I’m too chicken, but maybe one day
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I have a friend who did not vaccinate her children and who SERIOUSLY thought that the reason her kids never got any child hood illnesses/diseases etc was because they’d inherited her phenomenal immune system.
She lived on a farm, her kids didn’t really mix with any other kids – the millisecond they started mixing with other children (when the oldest went to school) they, and she caught everything that’s going around!
I am old enough to know people who had measles as a kid (she’s deaf as a result); mother had rubella (learning impaired); a lecturer had polio as a child… a man who discovered he was infertile due to having mumps as a teenager…
I vaccinated both my kids.
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I’m a 45 year old mum of 3 who has permanent hearing loss as a result of secondary infections from measles as a 7 year old. My ears still bleed on occasion and it’s a daily battle trying to hear which is incredibly exhausting. Childhood diseases are serious. They alter lives. Even worse, they kill. Vaccination is a no brainer if you ask me.
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I love this collection of information. Some of the new age types and scaremongers who do not vaccinate their kids I feel so angry at, as a nurse especially. The critics should look back in history and see how bad these diseases were which were erradicated by vaccines.
Just one plea to parents, HOLD bubs still ! If the kid is moving around and you have to move with them to get the injection in however, it’s just causing more bruising and risking a sharps injury. If they are nice and still its over nice and quick, baby ends up happier and so can everyone else
This might be common sense but youd be suprised how ppl sometimes cant hold an 8 week old still, more worried about feeling guilty.
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Since becoming a mum, there’s one thing I have come to realise, which is that people who haven’t vaccinated their children really PISS ME OFF! If people vaccinated their kids, we could probably eradicate dangerous, life threatening diseases for the whole of the population, rather than oncurring epidemics, which is what is happening now with Whooping Cough. Earlier this year, I was unlucky enough to get whooping cough. As an asthmatic, I consider myself lucky in that I was able to get onto some antibiotics in time to spare me the intense coughing fits. I also consider myself lucky that I was diagnosed before catching up with a friend with a young baby!! (thank god as it would have been my worst nightmare if he had’ve caught something off me). However, as I still have a cough lurking, I have undertaken (this wk) a pertussis (whooping cough) blood test to see if I have still got whooping cough symptoms as I am to have a cesaerean soon (due to complications) and would be devastated if I happened to unknowingly pass this disease onto my newborn. For Fcuks sakes people, realise that the autism thing was discredited and just get your kids done so that not only we are safer, but so that your own children can live full and healthy lives also!
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I think there is also a massive wave of first world arrogance in not vaccinating. By refusing to vaccinate when we have the choice, we are failing to eradicate these illnesses worldwide.
Unvaccinated kids in Australia still have a *relatively* good chance of surviving these diseases (due to our general good health and nutrition, hygiene and excellent medical support) however when these diseases hit developing countries, kids have dreadful mortality rates.
How can people be so selfish and arrogant as to keep these diseases alive and well to infect not only kids in our own country, but to effectively issue a death sentence to kids in developing countries who contract the disease?
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“First world arrogance” – absolutely, perfect definition.
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I’m sure people who don’t vaccinate their children feel the same way about you too ….
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why? what is she doing that might affect your children or others?
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@cindy, is that the grown up equivalent of “know you are, said you are, but what am I”?
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If people STOPPED vaccinating their children with vaccines that CAUSE disease (Hello? Vaccine Derived Polio?), then MAYBE we could eradicate…. Pfft, the only “Herd Immunity” is your Sheeple mentality incapable of accepting that YOU’RE WRONG. Ugh, pull your heads out. Does it not make you ask “Why are unvaxxed kids pulled out of school during an “outbreak” while the disease is allowed to run rampant through all of your vaccinated kids? Because you think you’re kids are immune, yet…THE DISEASE IS RUNNING RAMPANT THROUGH ALL OF THEM. You’re ignorance makes me sick…
Well, not really, I have a great NATURAL immune system…:)
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When vaccinated children get a disease they are vaccinated from, it is much less severe than for those who aren’t, that’s why unvaxxed kids get pulled from schools because if they get it they will be DEAD.
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I’ll tell that to my best friend who is going thru IVF because her husband is sterile after having mumps as a child. 15 years of unprotected sex and a lot of hoping has given way to donor sperm.
I bet they’ll be vaccinating.
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Thank you for a clear and level-headed article. I’m passing it around!
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My aunt refuses to get her kids vaccinated and I just don’t understand…am seding her this article
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My first born had chicken pox at 6 weeks old. She was fully breastfed and I have immunity (I was tested). It was very serious, she was very ill with a very high temperature and screamed and writhed in pain for several days. She was a tiny baby covered in scabs. It certainly wasnt what I expected for my first few weeks of being a mum.
She is now 12 and covered in scars which is my daily reminder of how serious preventable illnesses can be for those who are too young to be vaccinated.
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I am the same. I had chicken-pox when I was very young (was fully vaccinated as soon as possible) and still have the scars all over me, even on my face. I feel for your 12 year old. Just tell her they do fade.
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Thanks Ellie. xx
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Brilliant! Did anyone also happen to read a similar article in my child magazine this month? It looks like these myths about vaccines are easier to believe than the truth so its so good to read articles like these that explain the topic so much better.
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Thank you, thank you, thank you for this clear headed and factual look at vaccination. A kid in my daughter’s class had whooping cough last term and was HORRIBLY unwell. Why would you want your child to be at risk of that? Never mind polio….
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I am a mum of 3 and pro vaccination. I myself have permanent hearing loss as a result of secondary infection from measles when I was 7. My ears still bleed on occasion. It’s a constant battle trying to hear and it’s so tiring. Do people realise when they choose not to vaccinate thier kids that it’s not just a bug or low risk? It alters lives. Or kills. It’s a no brainer if you ask me.
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This is one of the main reasons I take a look regularly at Mama Mia – sensibly presented factual information that may reach a far wider public than similar information buried in newspapers or journals. Please keep articles like this coming!
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Thankyou! My 8 week old son was had his first vax less than 24 hours ago. Yes he cried, yes he will still have bouts of illness as he grows, and yes he is clearly not quite himself following his doses yesterday; but my husband and I will gladly endure this to protect him from more serious complications of disease. Even if autism was a possible side effect, I would take that risk over the chance of seeing my child die of a preventable disease.
Both my husband and I get angry at the myths and slander against vaccines, and the danger that unvaccinated people place on our weak and vulnerable society members. Thankyou for your article, if it changes the thinking of one family I am grateful.
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Rachael – reading your article and your bio convinced me – you are my personal superhero! thanks for the good overview
We live in NZ where the meningococcal C vaccine is not part of the childhood schedule (too expensive to publicly fund). In the last month there have been a number of deaths from this terrible disease. These were mainly young people, and now the families are speaking out encouraging vaccination. We just paid for our family to be vaccinated at a cost of NZ$500 (family of 4, 5 doses of vaccine at NZ$120 each). You are lucky in Australia to have this on the schedule, I hope people realise this. The terrible thing about this disease is that you can be fit and healthy one day and the next you can be gone. I also checked my own immunization records and found that I had only had one dose of measles vaccine and so I would probably not have immunity any longer. So at the age of 39, I just had the MMR as measles is in our community (Wellington).
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Best Article Ever. Well done MM and thank you so much Rachel for wording it perfectly.
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I love that this article doesn’t try to claim that science is infallible when it comes to vaccinations, something a lot of pro-vax articles offen do, but still prevents facts that being vaccinated far outweighs the possible risks associated with the vaccines. I have no problem with people who delay their childrens vaccinations, or don’t vaccinate, so long as it is for a genuine medical reason, not just because of scaremongering by Dr Google!
My Mum currently has whooping cough and seeing how it affects an adult, who has had booster shots throughout her life, is scary enough without risking seeing one of my children suffer from it!
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Love this. Am sending it to every parent I know. And everyone who may one day become a parent. And just everyone.
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I’ve already made a mental list of people I’ll be sending this to.
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Thank you so much, Mia. It is wonderful for families to have access to accurate, reliable, concise information on vaccination.
Rachael? What can we say…raaaawrsome!
And, huge kudos to your commenters for the intelligence and clarity they have shown here. I have never seen a vaccination article with such clarity in the comments section. Your readers are truly informed, and reasonable. With commenters such as yours we can be encouraged that accurate information is circulating in the community.
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As mentioned in my earlier posts I am pro vaccinations but I would hope that you will also take the fight up for the no-fault compensation scheme that Nicola Roxon’s office is considering. My daughter suffered a severe adverse reaction to her vaccinations called Stevens-Johnson Syndrome which put her in ICU at melb RCH on life support for 2 weeks followed by 9 weeks in the burns unit. She is now partially blind and suffers ongoing health issues. Your readers are adamant everyone should be vaccinated which is fine. If they are so strong in their convictions then maybe you can ask them if they would sign a petition to get the govt to introduce the no-fault comp scheme for people like my daughter. You can research more about this by searching for Heath Kelly or I can email you all the reports sent to govt and Roxon’s response. As said I am not against vaccinations even after everything i have been through but there are risks and those sufferers should be compensated.
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I did a quick google and nothing mentioned vaccines, but lots of anti-convulsive meds that cause this. Care to explain more? Or is this just spamming?
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Three years ago I contracted whooping cough, even though I was imminised as a child. I felt terrible for many weeks and didn’t get a good night’s sleep during this time as I couldn’t stop coughing when laying down.
The end result was that all the strain of coughing tore the lining of my lung and caused a collapsed lung, trip to emergency, tube inserted, x-rays, morphine AND I was 9 weeks pregnant at the time with baby number two.
It was terrible for my husband and little boy to have to see me like that and took weeks for me to feel better and stronger. I would hate to think how much worse I would have been had I not been immunised.
If a healthy adult suffers this much I can’t imagine how a small baby or young child would cope.
I’m lucky that no other family members were effected and since they have all had boosters for whooping cough, grandparents included. I do think there needs to be more education on the importance of regular boosters as we certanly had no idea until this happened to me.
It is the responsibility of the entire community to immunise themselves and their children so that it’s more vulnerable members are protected. If immunisation levels drop there will be more and more outbreaks of diseases that we haven’t had to deal with within our lifetime and that is a tragedy that can be easily avoided.
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My sister (who had never had a booster as an adult), caught whooping cough. She was sick for months, as she is asthmatic too. She still has some degree of vertigo due to it. Her children (also asthmatics) didn’t catch it, so it can’t be all bad.
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My 2 non-vaxxed boys caught whooping cough from a vaxxed person. They were 10 months, and 2 years.
They took ABs, inner health plus for kids, megadoses of vit C, and Olive Leaf Extract. They had the cough for quite a while, and it did wake them at night, but they did not suffer any pneumonia or other lung damage. Even my pediatrician was amazed at how mild they had it.
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Your pediatrician was amazed because I imagine in his career he has seen plenty of catastrophic endings to this scenario.
To take Andy’s analogy, I would be amazed to see someone survive without injuries after a nasty car accident when not wearing a seatbelt.
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Interestingly, a friend of mine was recently in an horrific crash where a drunk, speeding driver ran straight up the back of her small car. She had to be cut out of the car but survived with relatively minor injuries (though physiotherapy will be ongoing for a few years to com).
I wonder if people who dismiss whooping cough as just a bad cough, simply because they know some babies survive it, would also advocate for speeding and drunk driving on the basis that it doesn’t always lead to fatalities?
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You have not researched hard enough. And I cannot tell you how highly offended I think your spam comment is…I can give you the doctors name at Melbourne RCH to confirm my story and show photos
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What a fantastic article.
Well written, easily understood, and reeking of common sense.
Thank you.
It is so frustrating to hear constantly all the shit that people believe about vaccinations.
Hopefully this will help clear it up for a lot of people.
Now people, non-vaccers, if you really are concerned about chemicals that you put into your children, then take a good look at the food you feed them. Colours, additives, flavour enhanceers, preservatives….to say the least.
Vaccinations have enormous amounts of evidence supporting them, but what about all these chemicals in our food?
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People who choose not to vaccinate are usually aware of this.
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People who choose not to vaccinate on the basis of “TOXINS!!!”, usually have no concept of toxicology and choose, somewhat arbitrarily it seems, what to scare people about.
So, people like Meryl Dorey argue that if something is a known toxin, then it is always a toxin. She doesn’t appear to understand or accept the concept of dosage at all.
Indeed, in her somewhat secret response to this article, Dorey lists all the “TOXINS!!!” found in vaccines and argues that science has never determined safe limits for them. She links to Material Safety Data sheets for several of these “poisons” and, to be sure, they look seriously scary indeed. Among those “TOXINS!!!” is one called “potassium chloride”.
So, is potassium chloride a toxin? Let’s check wikipedia as an easy-to-read starter. Here’s what it has to say about its toxicity…
“Orally, potassium chloride is toxic in excess; the LD50 is around 2.5 g/kg (meaning that a lethal dose for 50% of people weighing 75 kg (165 lb) is about 190 g (6.7 ounces)). Intravenously, this is reduced to just over 100 mg/kg, but of more concern are its severe effects on the cardiac muscles: high doses can cause cardiac arrest and rapid death,…” and so on.
You don’t need to be a scientist to see that it’s pretty damned toxic. Just 7.5g of it can kill a 75kg adult when administered intravenously!
Read in isolation, as you’d get on an anti-vax site (or even a MSDS), you could assume that potassium chloride has no place inside our bodies. But what else does wikipedia say about it?…
“Potassium is vital in the human body, and oral potassium chloride is the common means to replenish it, although it can also be diluted and given intravenously. It can be used as a salt substitute for food, but due to its weak, bitter, unsalty flavour, it is usually mixed with ordinary salt (sodium chloride) for this purpose to improve the taste.”
So here we have a dilemma the anti-vaxers can’t address whilst maintaining the “once a toxin, always a toxin” gambit. Potassium chloride is a chief source of vital potassium (an explosive chemical on its own) and it’s also toxic. So how does someone like Meryl conclude that the tiny amounts of potassium chloride found in vaccines, that children get only occasionally, are more toxic than the potassium they hopefully get in much greater quantities from other sources? And how can she argue there’s no known safe limit when even wikipedia seems to have some quite specific data?
As for Material Safety Data sheets, Google “MSDS Sodium chloride” to be similarly scared about common table salt. If you’re truly ready to be scared though, read the sheet for plain old Potassium. Boom!
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I’m relieved about the fact that no mercury is used as a preservative in Aussie vaccines. I’ve often wondered about this although I’ve still had my children fully vaccinated.
I was also worried about the MMR vaccine and the supposed link to autism, but when I asked my paediatrician about it, he told me what it’s like when a child gets any of those diseases and how serious that is. That convinced me that the vaccine was a better choice. Plus he vaccinated all of this 4 kids with the same vaccines that my kids got so that was reassuring.
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A) A Journal notorious for its badness
“The Journal of Toxicological and Environmental Health has published at least one paper by incompetent mercury-autism quack Mark Geier (who is currently in the process of having his medical licenses suspended in more than one state) and a truly awful paper by Gayle DeLong trying to link vaccines with autism. ”
B) Examples and debunking of dreck previously published by those authors:
http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2011/08/the_mercury_zombie_arises_again.php
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Besides which, the overall conclusion of this study is that the levels of mercury in Australian childhood vaccines are at least 200x lower than safe levels – isn’t that a good thing?
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But, according to Meryl, that’s still some mercury so it must be toxic because anything that contains any amount of toxins is toxic.
So organic lemons, which contain D-Limonene (a Group 3 carcinogen), must be toxic. Organic apricots contain hydrogen cyanide, a potent toxin, so they must be toxic. Organic sesame seeds contain zinc. Zinc is a known toxin and zinc toxicosis can be fatal. Organic sesame seeds are, therefore, toxic. Organic pineapples contain manganese. Manganese is a known toxin leading to violent psychosis.
The list goes on. But I won’t because Meryl’s argument is silly.
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Weird. This comment was supposed to be in reply to Jane DJ’s comment lower down about mercury levels being 200x lower than safe levels. Read in that context, it makes a little more sense than it does floating here on its own
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There is a difference between small amounts (proportionate to the food item eaten) of toxins going through the digestive process and amounts being injected into the body. We can drink organic coffee, milk, wine and so on, but would you fancy injecting it into your tissues?
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More bogus crap links
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My reply ended up being a few lines above but hopefully you will give it a read anyway as I think it is a very important topic in increasing vaccination take up rates
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I think the way this info is presented is straight-forward and helpful. If you were sitting on the fence about the matter, a factual myth-busting approach like this is lot more persuasive than a bunch of angry, condemnatory “How could you be so stupid/irresponsible?” type comments. Everyone wants the best for their kids. Straight forward talk is helpful and clarifying, condemnation and self-righteousness are not.
I am pro-vaccination, but I have observed that, in Australia at least, this is a really fiery topic and gets pretty ugly on both “sides”. We can feel strongly about what we think without the shaming and blaming.
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That is exactly why I like this article! The agression that so many pro-vaccination articles have does nothing for the cause and simply creates an equally agressive backlash from anti-vaccination supporters.
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Agree, agro doesn’t move anything forward but this sort of article does.
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Pity the majority of people who agree with the article are so angry and aggressive …
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I don’t think that’s true at all. There are some people on here who have carefully explained their valid reasons for either not vaccinating or having concerns about it. These people have been treated with respect because there are valid reasons for not vaxing and most of us can see that the anti-vax lobby has had an impressive impact on parents who, through no fault of their own, are worried about how to do the right thing for their kids.
It’s a shame that much of this angst has been created from a litany of lies, half-truths and simple misrepresentations of high-school-level maths and science. Meryl Dorey, for example, appears to have no grasp of even basic statistics, and has been known to apply them syllogistically, yet tells people she can reinterpret complex scientific research by reanalysing what she calls “the raw data”. She can’t.
When people jump in here restating the very things Rachael has debunked in the very article they claim to have read, it gets a bit old. Some people treat this like it’s a religion, a question of faith or belief – as if, somehow, they are biologically special and that the cosmos will somehow look after them if they choose to deny reality. Many of them jump to the accusation of “pharma shill” against anyone who dares to publicly support vaccination. They claim that if one vaccinated person gets sick, “vaccines don’t work”. They claim anything which contains any amount of “a known toxin”, is a poison – without realising damned near everything is a toxin at some level – even the products of our own biological processes. Such people are not deserving of respect. They worry everyone about “chemicals” without realising that EVERYTHING is a chemical – everything! Basically, they’re idiots.
(oops again – Andy)
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Hmmmm, I’m going to go with Cindy on this: you DO sound very angry and aggressive, otherwise you wouldn’t be calling people idiots! Way to show your true intelligence…
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Well AR, you would recognise aggressiveness- do allow me to quote you :
“If people STOPPED vaccinating their children with vaccines that CAUSE disease (Hello? Vaccine Derived Polio?), then MAYBE we could eradicate…. Pfft, the only “Herd Immunity” is your Sheeple mentality incapable of accepting that YOU’RE WRONG. Ugh, pull your heads out. Does it not make you ask “Why are unvaxxed kids pulled out of school during an “outbreak” while the disease is allowed to run rampant through all of your vaccinated kids? Because you think you’re kids are immune, yet…THE DISEASE IS RUNNING RAMPANT THROUGH ALL OF THEM. You’re ignorance makes me sick… ”
Pot/kettle black and all that.
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What else can I call someone who’s being an idiot?
I repeat, there are valid reasons to avoid and to be concerned about immunisation. I have my own fears about it. I wish it was unnecessary, or at least 100% guaranteed safe and perfect and nice and good. I really do. Heck, I don’t even like taking Paracetamol.
But when people who have not spent their adult lives genuinely studying immunology go on rants against basic science (“anything containing a toxin is a toxin!”) without the slightest bit of introspection and no consideration of the possibility that immunologists might actually know what they’re doing, I have little sympathy for them.
Vaccination is the current whipping boy of the privileged. I shy away from aggression though. I prefer sarcasm and ridicule.
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Some people see aggression. Others see a fairly rational argument. Weird.
Keep up the good work Andy!
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Mama Mia very biased . Check your facts and talk to someone with a vaccine injured child . Also look at some recent studies out of Germany that have found vaccinated children to have far more illness then unvaccinated . I’m happy to say Im an unvaccinated 32 year old with 2 unvaccinated children 6&8 . Both parents with science medical backgrounds. Not one of us ever needed antibiotis or any trips to the Dr. All I can say is my children and I enjoy great health and yes it’s a personal decision . I encourage everyone to look at both sides of the story !And not be pushed by fear campaigning one way or the other. PS have travelled and lived in many 3rd world places and seen the horrible effects of vaccine trials and also many unreported adverse effects from vaccine .
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Please stop posting duplicate comments. It’ll be counted as spam if it continues. Thanks.
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What a fantastic and informative article! Thanks Dr Rachie.
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This is a fantastic article. I had whooping cough in my teens, I was vaccinated as a baby but unfortunately that wore off with age and I caught it from children I babysat who had never been vaccinated. The whooping cough lasted for about 6 weeks, it was horrible – I could barely walk up the hallway to my bedroom without having a coughing fit not to mention 6 weeks of sleepless nights interrupted by coughing. Anyone who chooses not to vaccinate their children needs to see how these illnesses and diseases affect people – I was fortunate I was a teenager, I would hate to see some poor newborn baby with whooping cough.