Do You Like This Story?
baby vaccination2 380x573 9 vaccination myths busted. With science!

.

A recent survey found more than two thirds of us research our medications on-line and half of us turn to “Dr Google” for diagnosis. But how do you know the information you are getting online is accurate? Basically, you don’t. In fact studies show if you search Google for “vaccination”, 60% of the results will not only be misleading but downright scary. In a time when vaccine-preventable diseases such as whooping cough and measles are in the news again, it’s critically important to know the facts about vaccination so that you can protect your kids and yourself.

So, let’s take a look at some of the common myths about vaccination and why they’re wrong.

Myth 1: Vaccines cause autism.

No doubt you’ve heard this myth – it’s been around for some time now. In a nutshell, there is no solid scientific evidence for a link between vaccines and autism. And believe me, science has been looking for well over 14 years. The theory that vaccines cause autism was first suggested by Andrew Wakefield in 1998. Since then, Wakefield’s paper has been discredited and withdrawn from The Lancet and Wakefield has lost his medical licence for showing “callous disregard” for children’s welfare.

Since 1998 there have been countless large and comprehensive studies looking for a link between vaccines and autism, but the evidence keeps coming up negative. The largest study was done in Denmark and covered all children born from January 1991 through December 1998. A total of 537,303 children of which eighty-two percent were vaccinated for MMR were examined and there was no association between vaccination and the development of autistic disorder.

Further, in August 2011, an exhaustive review of the scientific literature by the Institute of Medicine in the US concluded that overall “few health problems are caused by or clearly associated with vaccines”. And when I say “exhaustive review”, I mean 12,000 peer-reviewed articles, covering eight different vaccines were pored over by a committee of 18 experts in the largest review of adverse events associated with vaccines since 1994. It was a thorough and herculean effort concluding that there is no causal relationship between vaccines and autism.

Myth 2: Vaccines contain mercury

Mercury was removed from all routine childhood vaccines in Australia in the year 2000 (with the exception of one type of HepB vaccine which contains trace amounts) and it was never in the MMR vaccine. Prior to 2000, thimerosal, an organomercury compound, was used in the manufacturing process of vaccines as a preservative. The process left only trace amounts in the finished product – you ingest more mercury when you eat a can of tuna than you would ever get from a vaccine. Also there are two types of mercury – methyl mercury is the scary environmental toxin that “bioaccumulates” in your body, and ethyl mercury the type found in thimerosal, which does not bioaccumulate.
If thimerosal was implicated in autism, you would expect a significant drop in cases after its removal. Instead the opposite is true – autism rates continue to rise.

Myth 3: Vaccines contain toxic ingredients

JennyMcCarthy 380x214 9 vaccination myths busted. With science!

Jenny McCarthy whose son was diagnosed with autism led the charge against vaccinations claiming there was a link between the condition and immunisations.

Look anywhere on the Internet and you’ll find long scary looking lists of chemicals that anti-vaccine advocates claim are present in vaccines. Things such as anti-freeze, formaldehyde, aluminium phosphate, human fetal tissue, monkey kidney and lung cells, and most famously mercury. They also claim vaccines cause diseases such as AIDS, asthma, autism, cancers, diabetes, leukemia, lupus, SIDS, the list goes on. Many of these claims are quite simply untrue. The rest, without exception, misrepresent the facts.

For example, some viruses are grown on cell lines in the laboratory that were obtained from aborted fetal tissue many years ago. When a virus is grown on cells like these, it is extensively purified and many steps later, prepared into a vaccine. To say there are aborted human fetus cells in the vaccine is a bit like saying there is dirt in apples since they were once grown on a tree that grew in dirt. It’s misleading, scaremongering and simply not true. As for formaldehyde, there are trace amounts of formaldehyde in vaccines but much less than what your body naturally produces everyday.

Some vaccines do contain tiny amounts of metals like aluminium which have been used for over 80 years to increase the effectiveness of the vaccine. These are known as “adjuvants” and work like a booster to kick start the immune system into making antibodies. But just as the “dose makes the poison”, the concentrations of these metals are so low as to not be harmful to the body. Similarly, small doses of paracetamol cure pain but large doses have been known to cause liver failure.

Myth 4: Vaccines have never been tested.

All vaccines currently available in Australia must pass stringent safety testing before being approved for use by the Therapeutic Goods Administration (TGA), which is our government body responsible for regulating pharmaceuticals. Multiple clinical trials for safety and effectiveness are also performed as part of the development process (which takes anywhere between 10 to 15 years, and many millions of dollars) and safety monitoring continues for as long as the vaccine is in use.

For example with the polio vaccine, two million kids were involved in the field trial which was conducted in the US in 1954. More recently, the safety of the new cervical cancer vaccines was studied in large-scale clinical trials involving more than 50,000 people before being licensed for use. Safety continues to be monitored after 35 million doses with the majority of side effects being fever, headache and other minor ailments.

Like any medical procedure there are risks associated with the use of vaccines. This was brought to light in 2010 when dozens of kids suffered high temperatures and convulsions following administration of the flu vaccine. The vaccine was immediately withdrawn from use and the government commenced an investigation.

When people claim that vaccines have “never been tested” they usually mean that they have not undergone randomized placebo controlled trials (RCTs). To do an RCT of a vaccine you would need to take two groups of kids, give one group the vaccine, and the other a placebo, then expose both groups to the disease to see which ones survive. Raise your hand if you can see the problem here…

Not only would such an experiment be unethical, it’s unnecessary. We have extensive evidence demonstrating the effectiveness of vaccines; the eradication of smallpox and the near-eradication of polio from the world are just two examples.

Myth 5: Vaccines don’t work because children who are vaccinated can still get the disease.

No vaccine is 100% effective, and since everybody’s physiology is different, not everyone will develop immunity to the same degree; a vaccine is not a force field. But while you can still breathe in a virus or pick up bacteria off a door handle, the seriousness of the disease will be significantly reduced if you have been vaccinated. In the case of pertussis or whooping cough, severe complications such as seizures and pneumonia occur almost exclusively in unvaccinated people and one in every 200 babies who contract the disease will die.

Also, vaccine-induced and naturally acquired immunity fades over time. Notably, immunity from the whooping cough is not lifelong and infected adults, including child care workers and early years professionals, may be passing the infection on to children. This is why it is so important to get boosters if you are around young kids – especially those who are too young to be vaccinated. If you’re a parent make sure you, the grandparents, and other relatives and friends have boosters before they get to meet baby. Talk to your GP for advice on pertussis boosters (which are free until June 2012 in Victoria).

Myth 6: Improved living standards, not vaccination have reduced disease.

Iron lung CDC 380x250 9 vaccination myths busted. With science!

The iron lung, the machine used to keep polio patients alive.

The three most significant factors in the reduction of infectious disease have been clean water, sewerage systems, and vaccination. But even in isolation, vaccination has made a huge dent in reducing rates of disease. Following the introduction of the national meningococcal C immunisation program in January 2003, the number of cases decreased by 39% while numbers of people admitted to hospital with the disease was down by 47%. When the Haemophilus influenzae type B (Hib) vaccination was introduced into Australia in 1992 there was a 94% reduction in cases in children under the age of five (the most frequent illnesses caused by Hib are meningitis, septicemia and pneumonia). Yet living conditions in Australia have changed only marginally since 1992 or 2003. Vaccines have also significantly reduced suffering from the complications of infectious disease. Whilst mortality from polio was less than twenty percent, complications such as paralysis, skeletal deformities, and prolonged immobility during confinement in an iron lung caused significant suffering, all of which were eliminated by widespread vaccination.

Myth 7: Infectious diseases are not serious; children are meant to get them.

Just because they’re called “childhood diseases” doesn’t mean it’s okay for kids to get them and neither are they necessarily benign. Let’s take a look at whooping cough as an example, since Australia has been the grips of an epidemic for several years now.

Whooping cough is much more than “just a bad cough”. Kids often turn blue from lack of oxygen during coughing fits, they may vomit after severe attacks, and even fracture ribs. There is no cure for whooping cough – antibiotics are given to help stop the transmission to others – you just have to hope your immune system can fight it. Severe complications such as pneumonia and brain damage occur almost exclusively in unvaccinated people and in babies under 6 months of age the symptoms can be severe or life threatening. Whooping cough is also known as the 100-day cough making it a chronic and potentially fatal disease.

If you still think infectious diseases are harmless, wander through your local cemetery one day and note how many children died from diseases that we no longer see in society today – stamped out largely due to mass vaccination. Some of us are old enough to remember the images of children in iron lungs and calipers during the scourge of polio, which was wiped out by vaccination.

Myth 8: Vaccines cause or spread the diseases they are supposed to prevent.

vaccination syringes 380x506 9 vaccination myths busted. With science!

It's easy to make vaccinations look terrifying, but they're a child's best friend.

Experiencing a slight temperature and/or a sore arm after getting a vaccine is actually a good thing. While some people misinterpret this as “getting the flu after the flu vaccine” it simply indicates that your immune system is responding. Vaccines work by priming your immune system with a part of the disease, usually inactivated particles or a fraction of the organism, so that it can make antibodies. This means next time you come across the disease in the environment your body is ready with an arsenal of antibodies to attack it before it can make you really sick.

Vaccines are not 100% safe – no medical intervention is without risk – and mistakes do happen. In the 1950s in America there was a spate of cases of polio caused by the vaccine, but this was due to a mistake in the manufacturing process and was quickly corrected. Regulations, monitoring and quality control has greatly increased since that time, meaning incidents such as this are very unlikely to be repeated. The risks associated with the disease greatly outweigh the risk from a vaccine.

Myth 9: My child’s immune system will be overwhelmed.

Some parents worry that vaccines weaken or overwhelm the immune system, particularly when given to babies or when multiple vaccines are given at the same time. Children are exposed to many foreign particles on a daily basis through activities such as routine eating, drinking and playing and vaccines contain only a tiny number in comparison to what children encounter every day in their environment. The amount of immune challenges that children fight every day (2,000 — 6,000) is significantly greater than the number of antigens in any combination of vaccines (about 150 for the entire vaccination schedule).

More information: This is certainly not an exhaustive list of myths surrounding vaccination. If you’d like to know more, the following sources contain accurate and easy to read information for parents on vaccination including myths, misconceptions and information about the diseases.

Chain of Protection is an initiative of The National Centre for Immunisation Research and Surveillance (NCIRS) which contains lots of vaccine information, videos and more.
The NCIRS also produce the MMR Decision Aid which is a step-by-step guide to the MMR.
A great general resource for parents wanting to know more about vaccination can be found in the Australian Government publication; Understanding Childhood Immunisation Booklet (highly recommended)
General questions about vaccination can be found on the Australian Governments website; Frequently asked Questions About Immunisation
For more detailed information about vaccines, with references to scientific studies, see the Australian Government’s Handbook; Immunisation Myths and Realities, Responding to Arguments about Immunisation
A complete schedule of the current vaccinations required under the National Immunisation Program can be found here.

AVN 4461 Dave Jackson fake redacted 380x99 9 vaccination myths busted. With science!

.

Please note: The AVN has flooded the comments section below with pseudo-science and inflated numbers. We have ourselves noticed many people using the same IP address and now an AVN supporter has admitted to posting at least 30 times from just one user, using fake IP addressed. So you’re aware of the tactics used.

If you’re after a more light hearted parody of the refusal to acknowledge real science, check out this video:

So, any questions?

Dr. Rachael Dunlop is a medical researcher, science communicator and campaigner for science-based medicine in Australia, with a special interest in the anti-vaccination movement and alternative medicine.   Rachael started life as a fine artist and graphic designer but was seduced by the secret world of virus and tropical diseases and was lured to university to study science. After 8 years of study in both Adelaide and Sydney, she surfaced with a PhD and an interest in diseases associated with ageing. Now working in medical research she is currently focused on the environmental triggers for motor neuron disease with a special interest in toxins found in blue green algae.   Rachael is a vice president of the Australian Skeptics and a contributor to their magazine and website. She is member of the Mystery Investigators, a science show for kids that uses science to explain the strange and unusual such as UFOs and ghosts. Rachael is a reporter for The Skeptic Zone Podcast which reaches over 7000 listeners worldwide every week. She blogs at the Skeptics Book of PoohPooh and tweets at Dr Rachie. Rachael was the winner of the 2010 Shorty Award for Health and enjoys combining her love of science and art to communicate science to the public.

View more posts on:

Comments

Comment Guidelines : Imagine you’re at a dinner party. Different opinions are welcome but keep it respectful or the host will show you the door. We have zero tolerance for any abuse of our writers, our editorial team or other commenters. So if you’re rude, mean-spirited, snarky, aggressive, defamatory or bitchy, your comment will be deleted (so will any replies to the original comment – so don’t bother arguing with rude people, instead just hit the ‘alert moderator’ button).
And if you’re offensive, you’ll be blacklisted and all your comments will go directly to spam. Remember what Fonzie was like? Cool. That’s how we’re going to be – cool. Have fun and thanks for adding to the conversation…

Use your profile to comment: Or, comment as a guest:
(Max file size is 150kb & jpeg's only - if you need help resizing go here »)

1,885 Comments so far

  1. Batti

    ‘A few years ago, I worked with a lovely guy who had left school at 16.’

    What’s that got to do with anything? Because he doesn’t hold a degree he’s lovely but … well. you know?

    I have a relo who left school at 15, is worth hundreds of mill and employs thousands.

    There’s a list as long as your arm of people who left school early but aren’t stupid.

    Elitism much?

    GD Star Rating
    loading...
    • Mia

      No Batti, but I would argue that someone with very little formal education who believes they know more than the combined weight of every scientist in the world might be a little deluded.

      GD Star Rating
      loading...
      • H

        Every scientist Mia???? Now you are really bending the truth. May I ask what YOUR formal education is that makes you qualified to write the article in the Herlad? You are no expert.

        GD Star Rating
        loading...
      • Trish

        There are many scientist that are opposed to vaccines D.A.

        GD Star Rating
        loading...
  2. Dee

    Rachel Dunlop has a ‘special interest’ in no doubt closing down debate on natural medicine and vaccines and is VP of the fanatical skeptics group. She is at the other extreme end of the subject. Why can’t you talk to somebody that has the ability to at least be impartial? What about Professor Peter Collignon who is at least a mature and highly experienced infectious diseases expert and microbiologist, not some trendy Gen Y know it all that used to be an artist and is now VP of the skeptics society. For God’s sakes stop insulting our intelligence. If you are going to interview people at least feature experts with some credibility not an 8 year university ‘veteran’ trying to make a name for themselves.

    GD Star Rating
    loading...
    • Rick Morton

      If you disagree with her so much, why not point out what you disagree with and provide the evidence as to why that is the case? Arguments like these don’t mean much. It’s just a lot of blustering.

      GD Star Rating
      loading...
    • Mia

      Dee, there is not credible scientist, academic or scientific study in the world which has ever found any link whatsoever between autism and vaccinations.
      Ditto any evidence that the earth is flat.

      GD Star Rating
      loading...
  3. Andy

    Just a point on Dr. Wakefield and his work.
    There is a big difference between being “discredited” and being “disproven”…

    Some light scientific reading for all the Big Pharma sheeple.

    Does Seasonal Influenza Vaccination Increase the Risk of Illness with the 2009 A/H1N1 Pandemic Virus?
    Viboud C, Simonsen L (2010) Does Seasonal Influenza Vaccination Increase the Risk of Illness with the 2009 A/H1N1 Pandemic Virus? PLoS Med 7(4): e1000259. doi:10.1371/journal.pmed.1000259

    Care to guess what the study found? In short, it found that people who received the seasonal flu vaccine shot in 2008 were up to 274% more likely to be infected by H1N1 swine flu than those who skipped the season flu shots.

    GD Star Rating
    loading...
    • Belle

      Haven’t had time to read the journal article you linked (to see if your interpretation is in fact correct), but my first thought it is this: if all the researchers are in “Big Pharma’s” pocket, how do we get even one peer reviewed article questioning vaccine efficacy (if in fact it does). Wouldn’t this be silenced too? And why believe one peer reviewed journal article but not the countless others with evidence for safety and efficacy? Because it agrees with your preconceived notions?

      GD Star Rating
      loading...
    • Kat

      I haven’t had a chance to read the article, but I’m just wondering if that statistic could possibly be because the people who were most likely to get the H1N1 vaccine were those most at risk of coming into contact with the virus (ie health workers and the like)? No malice intended, genuine question.

      GD Star Rating
      loading...
    • Guest

      I did read the flu study….this highlights why people shouldn’t google information as per Mia’s article today.

      Yes seasonal influenza vaccine increased the risk of pandemic H1N1 influenza by between 3-274%
      Seasonal influenza vaccine reduced seasonal influenza by 41-67%
      This Canadian study was the only one to suggest an increased in pandemic influenza following season trivalent vaccination….4 showed no difference, while two were protective.

      Can I emphasize again…this is why people who can type in a few words into google are NOT experts.

      GD Star Rating
      loading...
    • Sullivanthepoop

      Since I know a lot about this subject and just finished a sabbatical at USAMRIID working with influenza I will comment about this phenomenon.

      Influenza is an interesting virus that mutates quite rapidly. That is why you can get the flu at the beginning of the cold/flu season and then again at the end. The body always uses neutralizing antibodies to fight influenza infections. These antibodies are usually against HA or NA which are parts of the viral coat. Unfortunately these are also parts of the virus that undergo rapid mutation. Once you make an antibody to HA or NA if the antigen is still present on the virus you are infected with, you body will not make new antibodies even if the immune response produced is poor because most of the antigens are new. Not until every antigen is new will new antibodies be made. Now, the new H1N1 was thought to have all new antigens, like the 1918 H1N1 strain was. It was not, it was a combination with a well circulated seasonal flu. So, it had a handful of antigens that most everyone had already been exposed to and which were in certain seasonal flu vaccines. So, if you didn’t get the H1N1 vaccine and only got the seasonal flu vaccine and were assaulted with H1N1 instead of making a new immune response you would only activate antibodies for the handful of antigens that your immune system recognized which would not be enough to neutralize the virus. This is also why we cannot make an effective vaccine against influenza.

      GD Star Rating
      loading...
  4. eugenica

    Gardasil ladies?

    GD Star Rating
    loading...
  5. Jen

    My brother had a violent reaction to the MMR vaccination and although I acknowledge he is in a small group, the effect was drastic upon him and our family unit. This was exaserbated by the abject refusal of most medical professionals to even admit that vaccination reaction was even a possibility for his ongoing (still now, 15 years on) heightened medical, intellectual and social awareness intervention needs.

    One doctor was kind enough to inform me (off the record naturally, litigious society we live in) that he believed this was a vaccination reaction and he further cautioned me of the possibility of a genetic link to such reactions. As a result I am still unsure of what I will do when the time comes for me to have children and have to decide what to do. Although I am fully vaccinated (to my mothers horror due to her experiences with my brother over the years) I am fully aware that I may be a carrier and I don’t know that I can open my children to any risk of what my brother has suffered.

    The worst of this though is the reprisals I fear will be forthcoming from all angles should I decide not to vaccinate. Although at a potentially heightened risk of devastating reaction, I am aware of the ostracism and judgements I will have to deal with from schools, some GPs and the parents of other children should I make the decision not to vaccinate.

    The continuation of this argument assists no one. People have already picked their sides and their minds will not be changed. All this does is open the gates for the free flow of vitriol from both sides as evident in previous comments. This is a personal decision and should be left the the individual. I will say this though, if the potential side-effects (minimal as they may be) were explained to each parent in an open and transparent manner as opposed to the current “this is the way” mentality, the AVN would have a much lesser cause.

    Also in the interest of transparency, I noticed the nice embedded “causal” by your author, surely you would be intending of explaining the terms “causal” v “association” if you plan on purporting this article as clear, concise and impartial?

    GD Star Rating
    loading...
    • Kevin

      Jen, I cannot believe that you would worry about what to do when you have your own children. You, of all people, should be reading top to bottom about this issue, and do NOT start with the AVN. There’s heaps more material out there that is not as biased.
      As for reprisals, forget it. I have three unvaccinated children and have never had a moments worry. If an parent is concerned about your child’s unimmunised status and chooses to keep their child away, you’ll be the winner for it. It virtually never happens anyway, because as much as there is pro-vaxxers expessing hatred on this site, the reality of it is that there is a lot of suss parents out there who will be more interested in why you made the choice than boycott you for it. My sister is a GP and massively pro-vax, and wouldn’t dare not have her kids see the cousins. This site is the most lunatic thing you will read about the issue, dominated by two groups who will never agree. In real life the issue is not as bitter.
      Lastly,and obviously,I have three unimmunised kids who between their 32 years of age have had two GP visits. That is NOT a stat that should influence your decision, but I will never regret my/our decisions. Read up and trust your own judgement.
      Lastly, in the ’80′s and 90′s the medical profession was mad for anti-biotics. Prescribed them for everything from a sniffle to a hangover. Then in 1999 the World Health Organisation admitted that over-prescriptions of anti-biotics was the single greatest threat to mankind. What they think today is not necessarily what they will think in 20202 or 2030. And come that time you won’t find a doctor anywhere who doesn’t say that they were suss back now. The problem is finding one now who is not a sheep.

      GD Star Rating
      loading...
      • Jamie

        The only concern I have is that over 78% of all journal articles (as of 2009) have a silent shareholder percentage owned by Pharmaceutical Companies. Kinda hard to listen to “science” and “evidence” when the people paying for the “research” want a result supporting the sales of their own products, and the scientific panels administering the “research” are employed by the very same pharmaceutical companies!

        Thinking critically, you have to ask “who paid for this research, who administered the research, who is on the board, what was the minimum performance criterias for results and approvals.

        At the moment the FDA are considering supporting a directive from 3 of the largest pharmaceutical companies on the planet that would permit a drug to be utilised as long as “research” shows it has no further detrimental effect than a placebo! How INSANE is this becoming…

        I think its hard to trust all the “science” and “research” when: 1. It is now a multi -BILLION dollar industry with profits being the primary driver. Many many people would lose their multimillion dollar beneficiaries if the vaccine industry stopped today. Its unfortunate to say but people are more invested in keeping people sick vs keeping them healthy.. Imagine if we ACTUALLY found a cure for cancer? The Cancer industry would be out of business over night and tens of thousands of people would be out of work, billions of dollars no longer going to directors and shareholders… There are people on this planet today that actually want cancer rates to INCREASE as it means more profits and more money for them. Such a sad state we have reached…

        I had a discussion with my GP the other day stating that he infact works not in HEALTH but in SICKNESS. Because he needs people sick to maintain his job. If everyone became healthy overnight my GP, my SPECIALIST and everyone working at the hospital go OUT OF BUSINESS….

        In the past in some primitive tribes, as shown by studies by (Weston A Price, Paul Chek and Gary Gray), the local tribal doctor was paid a weekly “tax” per person that DID NOT see him that week. Now there is a doctor who has an interest in keeping you HEALTHY! Imagine if your local doctor was paid $2.00 a week from you if he DIDNT see you! Jeez he would be interested in keeping you off all those painkillers, medications, toxic substances and probably ask you to eat clean organic food, he would cut out all sugars, flours, grains and gluten and make sure any processed food is forbidden. He would make sure any take away/drive through was closed down, no cigarettes, minimal alcohol, and ensure you don’t over eat either! He would ask you to drink 2-3 litres of clean water a day, not tap water so you don’t get all the heavy metals, chlorine and fluoride, he would then ensure you get 8-10 hours sleep a night, exercise for 45-60 minutes a day including a healthy mixture of cardio and resistance training, he would make sure you don’t overstress and find time to relax, laugh, have fun with your friends and family and connect to nature through meditation, bush walks, swimming in the ocean etc. And in taking this holistic approach to your health he would probably find you to be in robust health, with a strong immune system, proper body composition with a good amount of lean muscle and minimal fat, no toxic build ups and very unlikely to have any sickness or disease!

        Health isn’t hard, its only hard when profits and big business construe the truth. Deep down every human on this planet knows how to develop and maintain health, and unfortunately as a species we often go against this natural internal motivator and CHOOSE to eat crap, drink crap, stop moving, stop connecting and the net result = sickness and disease….

        Rant Over!

        GD Star Rating
        loading...
  6. Ottersfriend

    Loved your article in the Tele today Mia…
    People think the internet is a degree…..

    GD Star Rating
    loading...
  7. eugenics

    It’s like religion, make your own choice n move on. I fell so sorry for the kids who end up in hospital over something that is claimed to be safe. Eugenics.

    GD Star Rating
    loading...
  8. miss bliss

    Mia, while I admire this sites push to get the facts out there in regards to the importance of immunization ( and for the record all 3 of my kids are immunized)
    I have to question why you are reposting the same articles again. You are NEVER going to change the minds of either side. All you do is give the anti vaxers another platform to push their agenda.
    You are running the very real risk of turning people off the topic all together. Sometimes you loose the message in the attempt to smack people over the head with your opinions. I fear your message is being lost. The cynic in me thinks that perhaps you and your team know that this particular topic ( along with some others pointed out by others below) are only posted for the clicks.
    I may have missed it but I could not even find an update on this post to even explain why it has been promoted back onto the front page.
    If you are really passionate about this topic why don’t you have a link on your home page that is always up that people can click on to see all the immunization facts. Like I said, you are never going to get anyone from either side to change their minds so just have some simple info for those who are seeking facts.
    Can we please move on from this topic for a while. I think you are actually going to have the opposite effect to what you want if you continue like this.

    GD Star Rating
    loading...
    • Anonymous

      I think they have reposted it because of her article in the Sunday papers today.

      GD Star Rating
      loading...
      • Lana

        Exactly right – so many people want to talk about it but we can only publish Mia’s article from the paper tonight

        GD Star Rating
        loading...
  9. loulou666

    My son was unable to have the whooping cough vaccine due to a bleed in his brain during birth. I worried about him coming into contact with unvaccinated children for many years and felt/still feel very strongly that those children should not be allowed to attend school and endanger other children’s lives, so bravo Mia on an excellent piece in today’s paper. An interesting side note: I worked in Byron Bay for many years and dealt with the founder of the anti-vaccination network and noted with interest that all of that particular family were obese – health concerns indeed!

    GD Star Rating
    loading...
    • Incredulous

      So then, by your reasoning your child would not be allowed to attend school either, so as not to put at risk other, un-imunised children…? Or is it OK for your child to attend school and possibly infect other children (who couldn’t be vaccinated because of health issues) because your child had health issues? It’s a ridiculous idea..

      GD Star Rating
      loading...
      • loulou666

        You must come from the AVN group with a “ridiculous” reply like that, ie. I would not have had to worry about my son catching whooping cough at all if ALL students at his school had been vaccinated, which FYI, they were. Ergo, if he could not catch it off his immunised classmates, then it would be impossible for him to spread it. If you are going to put moronic responses to comments at least learn how to spell “immunise”

        GD Star Rating
        loading...
        • Incredulous

          Even though I find your reasoning nonsensical.. You’re completely correct, my typo of “immunise” is painful to look at.. But just FYI, I don’t come from any “group”, though I am most certainly on the side of immunisation. My comment was centred entirely around yours. As previously stated, numerous times, just because a child is immunised, does not make them 100% immune to whatever it is they were immunised against, therefore it is completely possible that your child (and any other that was not vaccinated) could contract the illness from a child that was immunised, and pass it on with a greater certainty, to others that were, for completely legitimate medical reasons not vaccinated.. I’m just saying, your reasoning for restricting access to education, is a little absurd.. Also, resorting to personal attacks over the dropping of a letter, seems a little petty..

          GD Star Rating
          loading...
    • Ali

      Check out the high correlations between ongoing chiropractic care and increased immunity. Yes, there are PLENTY of scienctific, peer reviewed studies done on this! With an immune system functioning at its best, is there a need for vaccinations? I think we grossly under-estimate how wonderful our bodies are. We are our own best pharmacy.

      GD Star Rating
      loading...
      • trixie melodian

        Can you please show us those links, then?

        GD Star Rating
        loading...
  10. Jane

    I too was a sheep, did what everyone said and got my 6 week old little girl vaccinated at the local dr…By the time i was at the counter paying for my visit my daughter had gone limp in my arms and started to fit.. she was the one in a thousand that have a bad reaction… It took 12 yrs for her to get better and cost us thousands of dollars trying to cure her… The dr shit himself he was panicking more than me… my poor happy beautiful baby then cried for yrs.. she developed a rash all over her body her skin would weep with excema . then i did what all parents should do research we will not take the risk of vaccinating our other children… at no stage in our dr visit did he say oh your baby might get very sick by the time you walk back to the car and die… yes she stopped breathing. I feel so much guilt for making her sick by just doing what everyone told me to do.( get her needles) she still has scarring on her body from the rashes due to the high temps that became infected.. when she was in hospital some nurses told me that they see babies all the time that have severe reactions to vaccines. She is a young teenager now and still is suffering she is very sensitive to chemicals soaps washing powers etc… As her mother it is not nice knowing that I did this to her by not educating myself to the dangers before I went to the Drs.. needless to say all our close friends and relatives that lived through this with us have not vaccinated there kids either.

    GD Star Rating
    loading...
    • Faybian

      Interesting. What country did you get her vaccinated in? Cause up until recently we waited until 2 months to vaccinate.

      GD Star Rating
      loading...
      • K

        It’s recommended in Australia that you start vaccinations at 6 weeks of age, mainly due to the high number of whooping cough cases around now. I received two letters from the government within days of registering my baby’s birth advising me to start vaccinations at 6 weeks because of the increased risks of whooping cough.

        GD Star Rating
        loading...
        • Faybian

          Well aware of that, but it only “came in” last year. Before that it was 2 months.

          GD Star Rating
          loading...
          • K

            Oh sorry, as a new parent I had no idea that that only “came in” last year. I had a friend who was told to have her little boy’s first vaccinations at 6 weeks and he is 4 years old now so thought it must have been like that for a while. Maybe some area health services give out different information. Wasn’t trying to be rude or anything, just thought I was being helpful. All good.

            GD Star Rating
            loading...
            • Faybian

              I get that. It’s a national schedule, so there shouldn’t be local differences. I don’t know why someone would’ve been told 4 years ago to get bub immunized at 6 weeks. Up until last year, you wouldn’t find anyone willing to until at least 7 weeks 3 days, with 2 months being the aim. I spent a lot of time last year telling parents about the new time for the first needle and hearing about GPs that refused to do it.
              In NZ it’s always been 6 weeks (I believe) but not here.

              GD Star Rating
              loading...
    • Kris2040

      I have scars from eczema too. Used to weep if I scratched it enough. I am sensitive to soaps etc. I don’t blame vaccines though. It’s just how I was born.

      GD Star Rating
      loading...
      • carebearaviles

        Are you serious her daughter almost died from a bad reactions to a vaccination and you are focusing on the eczema and sensitive to soaps comment she made in her post……What part of the government do you work for?

        GD Star Rating
        loading...
        • Kris2040

          The secret part that tries to control everyone through vaccination, obviously. I’m surprised you even need to ask.

          GD Star Rating
          loading...
    • Michelle

      Jane, I am very sorry to hear how bad the reaction was from the vaccination of your daughter.

      I agree that there should be more transparency when people are told to vaccinate so that parents can make up their minds. Each scenario, whether vaccinating or not vaccinating, has risks, and so each risk should be explained.

      One of the points of Mia’s article is that when researching things on the internet, we as the general public need to be careful. I guess the problem is that when you are not a ‘true expert’ in a field, it can be difficult to sort out what is real and true and what is rubbish. And I think people shouldn’t be afraid to question doctor’s suggestions. Ask them, what is the risk of contracting this disease if I don’t get my child vaccinated? How does the infection develop? Is it an easily treatable infection, can they easily clear it on their own? Will they be left with any long term effects if they do get sick? etc etc.

      If you don’t vaccinate, there is the risk your child will contract one of these diseases, if you do vaccinate there is the risk of a reaction, and in some cases these reactions are extreme.

      I do not know the exact percentage risk of contracting each of the diseases that can be vaccinated against, nor do I know the exact percentage risk of having a bad reaction to any of the vaccines (without reading some articles right now), however as an infectious diseases research scientist I have heard many seminars and read many articles in relation to vaccines, and I do know that in most cases the risk of having a severe reaction to a vaccine is much less likely than contracting the disease being vaccinated against.

      If you haven’t guessed already I am pro vaccination, however I still think that people should be told the percentage risk of each scenario. The problem is there is no guarantee. Your child may be lucky and never get any of these diseases even though they are not vaccinated, that is a risk you take, or your child may be unlucky and have a bad reaction to a vaccine, that is a risk you take. Nothing is certain in this life. I can certainly understand why Jane and her friends have not vaccinated their children following the disastrous vaccination of her daughter. I will bet that there are other parents out there that after not vaccinating their first child, who then contracted some awful disease, has decided to vaccinate the rest of their children. It all comes down to the experiences you’ve had.

      I do remember from one seminar at my department (I have worked at both Monash University and The University of Melbourne), that at one time the risk of contracting polio in the US was less than the risk of a reaction from the vaccine, and hence vaccination was suspended for a time. I think generally the government is trying to do the right thing when it comes to vaccination. And as has been brought up a number of times on this website, vaccinations aren’t 100%. Unfortunately bacteria and viruses are adaptable, they have developed many mechanisms to be able to survive, which is part of the reason vaccination is not 100%.

      I do have one final comment, as a scientific researcher I do resent the claims about researchers publishing data backing vaccines due to being in the pocket of pharmaceutical companies. The majority of researchers out there are trying to find the truth when it comes to their research, not the outcome they want. I don’t dispute that there are unscrupulous researchers out there that will doctor their research, however I find it frustrating that so many of the comments on this page, not just in relation to scientists, are all encompassing. There are too many extreme comments from both sides of the debate and they are unhelpful. And too many cheap shots at each other as well. Most things in life are not black and white, there is a lot of grey in between, we should be able to discuss problems and hear both sides of the debate without the sides resorting to scaremongering, but simply telling the honest truth.

      I will say again to finish off, I am pro vaccination as I believe that the benefits outweigh the risks.

      GD Star Rating
      loading...
  11. Carly

    Three months ago, I caught whooping cough from an unknown source. I am 28 years old and was vaccinated as a child but I had never been told that you need a booster as you get older to maintain your immunity.

    Whooping cough in an adult is absolutely horrible so I can only imagine what it is like for a child. A coughing fit makes you feel like you are choking and would often leave me gasping for breath for 5 minutes afterwards. It was also common for me to dry reach or vomit during that coughing fit.

    Whooping cough is not like a normal cough with phlegm or fluids you can cough up and then carry on. It is a dry cough that irritates your lungs and throat and there is nothing you can take or do to make you feel better. Three months later I am only just now recovering from it.

    To make matters worse, I was infected over Christmas and still taking antibiotics (which kills the virus but doesn’t alleviate symptoms). This meant I was isolated and quarantined from all my family especially two of my cousins who don’t vaccinate their children because of their own misguided “research”.

    I would gladly get vaccinated EVERY SINGLE YEAR if it meant that I never got whooping cough ever again.

    I wish people would stop focusing on what problems vaccinations can cause and instead focus on what it is preventing. Whooping cough is one of the more survivable diseases that vaccinations can prevent but I would never like to go back there again.

    GD Star Rating
    loading...
  12. eugenics

    Google… contaminated vaccines and viral RNA contamination. Do a search. And MIA Google can be better as scientist post there proof on websites. Published books and medical journals have lied in the past n will lie tomorrow into the future for profit. There are many white house official documents and science czars backing and admiting to contaminated vaccines. These are purposely done in relation to population growth and many other sickening reasons. Eugenics

    GD Star Rating
    loading...
    • trixie melodian

      “science czars”? Awesome! Does that make Meryl Dorey Rasputin?

      GD Star Rating
      loading...
      • Trixie melodian

        And Andrew Wakefield must be Trotsky! LMAO!

        GD Star Rating
        loading...
    • Anon

      Gates did a TED talk. It’s caused wide spread discussion. I watched it and thought WTF.

      GD Star Rating
      loading...
  13. Sharon

    It is clear as day that this thread has been taken over by anti vax supporters from the avn.

    Mia, don’t lower yourself to their level, your readers are intelligent and informed and would never listen to those hoons.

    They are so dangerous and ignorant it makes my blood boil. Those of us with common sense know and understand that vaccination is essential. I am fully vaccinated and get my flu shot annually. I would never not vaccinate myself.

    GD Star Rating
    loading...
    • Batti

      How has it been ‘taken over?’ Sorry, no other opinions are acceptable because Mia has spoken? My children are vaccinated. I also nurse a little girl who is permanently and seriously brain damaged from a side effect of vaccination. Her single mother has no family support and couldn’t survive on the carer’s pension so she has had to surrender her daughter to state care. Not uncommon and worth discussing IMHO.

      GD Star Rating
      loading...
      • Sharon

        I come from a third world country where people die every day because they don’t have access to the medical treatment we are so fortunate to have here. I’ve seen much worse in my life. There is no pension or state care where I come from. You get seriously sick and you die.

        GD Star Rating
        loading...
    • ?

      are you serious? just because other people have had other experiences, they are unable to voice their opinions?

      GD Star Rating
      loading...
  14. eugenics

    Eugenics – Mr n Mrs gates are major fund raisers and supporters of eugenics through there vaccines. Do some home work MIA. Evidence is all over the place. EUGENICS

    GD Star Rating
    loading...
    • trixie melodian

      And TOXINS! and BIG PHARMA!!!!!! And LOTS OF SHOUTY STUFF IN ALL CAPS!!!!

      Yeah, conspiracy theories and scary words are way more convincing than facts from doctors!

      GD Star Rating
      loading...
      • Faybian

        LOL! I was loudly laughing, or is that LLOL?

        GD Star Rating
        loading...
      • Kate

        This made me laugh.

        GD Star Rating
        loading...
    • dee

      Mr Gates was caught on camera at a TED conference admitting that the population was due to decline ‘thanks to the use of vaccines’. You can see him stating this on youtube. He has also invested big time in GM foods with Monsanto while contributing funding to the seed bank. He comes from a family of eugenicists. What more proof do you want of the real intent of Bill Gates.

      GD Star Rating
      loading...
      • Anon

        That’s absolutely true, Dee. I watched it and was gobsmacked.

        GD Star Rating
        loading...
      • trixie melodian

        Go on, give us a Godwin, you know you want to…

        GD Star Rating
        loading...
      • Margaret

        Although I am not a fan of population control nor eugenics, I think this kind of reaction is very silly. He is referring to the social dynamic of people having large families in order to ensure that at least a few children will survive and grow to adulthood. When killer childhood diseases are under control, that dynamic changes, as people are more confident that 3 out of 3 children will live and grow up, they are more likely (population control people hope) to stop with three, rather than having 10.

        And again, I’m all for big families, and not into the ZPG thing by any means, but it’s absolutely ridiculous to construe from his comments that there is something *in* or about vaccines themselves that makes people infertile. It’s a social issue.

        GD Star Rating
        loading...
  15. Ali

    funny how there’s a whooping cough outbreak and even ‘vaccinated’ children are getting it. While reading the research is amicable, also have a read of who DID the research, who FUNDED the research and what are the conflicts of interest of the scientists….this takes a lot more research that just reading what the pharmaceutical companies put out.
    Also, look at Japan’s history…..no vaccinations under the age of 2 and suddenly SIDS becomes a rare event…..coincidence?
    Peanut allergies are unbelievabely commmon now too. Another coincidence that in some vaccintations are peanut compounds????

    GD Star Rating
    loading...
    • Nat. A.

      Funny how people think they are qualified to understand the scientific literature when they have no scientific background or training (this becomes fairly obvious, for example, if someone clearly doesn’t even understand one of the most basic principles of scientific methodology – the difference between correlation and causality).

      GD Star Rating
      loading...
      • Anonymous

        funny how those ‘ignorant’ people may have more than one science degree…..

        GD Star Rating
        loading...
        • trixie melodian

          which ones, anonymous? Vera Scheibner is a paleontologist. Meryl Dorey was a stockbroker and her qualifications consist solely of “having a brain” (her words, certainly not mine!)

          Of all the “medical professionals” who commit to supporting the AVN, all but two, I believe are chiropractors, osteopaths and other “pretend doctors”.

          Doesn’t it ring any alarm bells that there are barely any genuine medical professionals who subscribe to the antivax hysteria?

          GD Star Rating
          loading...
          • anon

            Flannery is a paleontologist and everybody seems happy to eat out of his hand without question?

            GD Star Rating
            loading...
            • trixie melodian

              relevance?

              GD Star Rating
              loading...
    • trixie melodian

      “Also, look at Japan’s history…..no vaccinations under the age of 2 and suddenly SIDS becomes a rare event…..coincidence?”

      Evidence?

      “Peanut allergies are unbelievabely commmon now too. Another coincidence that in some vaccintations are peanut compounds????”

      Evidence?

      GD Star Rating
      loading...
      • Anon

        As someone who’s been a teacher for 30 years I can say with absolute conviction that although my evidence is only anecdotal, there has been an explosion in the numbers of children with peanut allergies in the last ten years. Once you may have had one child in the entire school, now there are a couple in each class. This is a pattern across the country. Are there any studies being done into this, do you know?

        GD Star Rating
        loading...
        • JM

          Of course there is. There is also good evidence that in countries where infant’s diets are restricted, the level of allergy is higher. Italy and other European nations have lower rates of allergy than the UK, Australia and the US for apparently this reason.
          Vaccination, I believe, has little to do with it given that vaccination is fairly standard across developed nations.

          GD Star Rating
          loading...
        • Simba

          Yep there are studies going on investigating the increased rate of childhood allergies, just the other month there was a doco on tv about it. Can’t remeber if it was ABC or SBS. They still don’t know the reason’s why it’s occuring.

          GD Star Rating
          loading...
    • Martha

      Sorry Ali,

      But you may have been misinformed, I live in Japan and the immunization schedule is very similar to that of Western countries. The first immunization is at 3 months. Low SIDS statistics are credited to predominant back sleeping but this is some other information I have come across.

      “Japan’s leading SIDS researcher, Professor Hiroshi Nishida’s belief was that the SIDS rate in Japan was not as low as reported. Because the Japanese did not believe that SIDS was a problem therefore, they did not make the diagnosis. With the efforts to increase public and professional awareness about SIDS, the SIDS rate has risen.”

      I know you are talking about peanut allergies rising in Australia but just to let you know peanut allergies are lower here but the heat at which peanuts are boiled in Asia (as opposed to roasted in Western countries, high roasting temperatures dramatically increase the allergens) means that many children aren’t exposed.

      Japan has many other allergies that affect children in the same way that peanuts affect Australian children. In Japan, allergy to buckwheat flour, used for soba noodles, is more common, comparatively prevalent and increasing on par with western country’s stats for other allergies.

      Just to let you know I have an immunized son who happens to have some mild allergies, in Japan.

      GD Star Rating
      loading...
    • Faybian

      So, SIDs education couldn’t have anything to do with it? If its vaccine related please explain why our SIDs rate has dropped even though as a country we’ve continued to have high vaccination rates.

      GD Star Rating
      loading...
      • trixie melodian

        And not just dropped marginally, Faybian – since SIDS safe sleeping guidelines were introduced, SIDS death rates in Australia
        have dropped by around 75%.

        GD Star Rating
        loading...
  16. Faybian

    Oh dear, it’s back.
    I think there are a few subjects guaranteed to get people het up.
    Immunisation
    Abortion
    Breastfeeding
    Homebirth VS caesarians
    Religion
    Politics
    Smacking VS not smacking kids
    These days:gay marriage and global warming

    I wonder how many peoples’ opinions are changed via these debates and I also wonder when it became ok to become so nastytoothers for a difference in opinion.

    GD Star Rating
    loading...
    • Lizi

      I always look for your comments as a common sense benchmark, Faybian.

      To the list of ‘Oh, god, it’s back again’ subjects, I’d add:

      Having children vs not having them
      public vs private schools
      the definition of ‘normal’ vs ‘obese’ when it comes to body image

      A random selection of topics I’d be more than happy to see on this ‘repeater’ list:

      organ donation
      euthanasia
      carers and their support
      a bit more on global issues

      I suppose we all have our preferred ‘topics of interest’, even if it feel to others that we’re just going over old ground … again. As to whether people’s views are actually changed, I’m not sure.

      GD Star Rating
      loading...
      • Faybian

        Thanks for your kind words. I like your comments too.
        I agree with your suggestions, particularly organ donation. We have such a low rate in this country…..

        GD Star Rating
        loading...
    • becauseimthemum

      The subjects you list Faybian, have all been done to death. Bogan bashing is another regular offender. I have given up reading posts on these subjects because the opinions and arguments are still the same as they were last time. These subjects attract too many Anonymous posters for my liking. I have also noticed a few re-runs of old stories, run with an ‘update’.

      I love Mamamia but you’ve gotta keep it interesting. I understand writing a column about a subject you feel passionate about, but enough already! A refreshed ‘repeater’ list is needed.

      GD Star Rating
      loading...
    • Anonymous

      And stay at home mums vs. working mums and using childcare vs. not using childcare. It does seem like some subjects are on high rotation on this site but maybe I’m just noticing these posts more because of the fuss they create.

      GD Star Rating
      loading...
    • Puzzled

      I had to read “nastytoothers” about a dozen times before I eventually worked out what it was.. I thought it had something to do with soothsayers or something.. Completely puzzled.. :)

      GD Star Rating
      loading...
      • Faybian

        OMG! I didn’t even notice it. I get really lazy on the iPad, because of autocorrect and don’t always press the space bar as hard as I need to. It was to “nasty to others”.

        GD Star Rating
        loading...
  17. Anonymous

    So basically you are telling people to believe all that “science” tells them since they know everything? Blood letting was once a scientific method. Leeches were used in medicine as well. The list goes on and on.

    Yes boys and girls, don’t question medicine, just do as you are told.

    GD Star Rating
    loading...
    • Nat. A.

      FYI leeches are still used in medicine – they are invaluable actually.

      GD Star Rating
      loading...
    • Deb

      The difference between science and ‘alternative’ medicines is that science learns. Science is relatively new, much newer than blood-letting which is thousands of years old. As we developed science, we abandoned bleeding.

      I think it’s interesting that you chose that as an example, because archaeological and historical research shows that acupuncture is basically the modern version of bleeding, as metalworking skills got better the needles got thinner. Blood letting is alive and well today, being practiced by many ‘alternative’ practitioners. I look forward to you applying the same standards to various other alternative modalities.

      GD Star Rating
      loading...
      • trixie melodian

        LOL great minds, Deb… ; )

        GD Star Rating
        loading...
    • trixie melodian

      The thing is, science acknowledges when it is wrong and adopts the newest, correct information as the evidence arises. The antivax movement starts with a hypothesis and ignores any information to the contrary.

      GD Star Rating
      loading...
  18. Jess

    I have my children vaccinated but like a lot of people know children with autism, one severely so. The parents are actually open minded about the cause….they would love to know why this happened and investigate all possible causes. I am curious though…is autism in all countries? Reason I ask is some cancers are not in some countries such as Japan with near nil breast cancer. Makes me wonder about autism. Anyone know? Is it worldwide?

    GD Star Rating
    loading...
    • Deb

      It’s one of those things that vary with access to diagnosis. In countries that don’t have the luxury of children’s development teams and early intervention then autism is very rarely diagnosed – it doesn’t mean it isn’t there, but we have no idea what is happening.

      What does tend to happen in those countries is that the very topmost demographic layers that can afford diagnosis and intervention do have autism.

      Also if you look historically at insane asylum or mental institution records there are people who would probably be diagnosed with autism today. So we have reasonable evidence that it was around but are relying on very patchy material. If it was around historically when the west had conditions similar to the developing world today, then it is probably there.

      Unfortunately there are huge difficulties comparing just about anything medical across countries because of different diagnostic criteria.

      GD Star Rating
      loading...
      • Jess

        Thanks for the points. It must then follow on that those people with autistic children must have the problem of accessing the best treatment….I imagine even ‘what’ is best is even a huge debate in itself. I’m not religious but it makes me think of that quote ‘there but for the grace of god go I’.

        GD Star Rating
        loading...
  19. anon

    Thiomeral is a mercury base that is used in vaccinations. Has it been completely outlawed here and why was it suddenly stopped overseas?

    If you google Pinks Disease you will find studies that the mercury dose that these sufferers received is being linked to autism in their children and grandchildren.

    I can’t help but notice how the Doctor has spun around this concern by presenting a list of ridiculous things first … monkeys organs, fecal matter … and then, when the reader is convinced of that they would be mental to even doubt the safety, she quietly mentions mercury.

    I’m on the fence as far as the safety of vaccines goes. My children were done thirty odd years ago and I understand that the communal benefits are enormous.

    I’m just saying, this is dumbed down medical writing and the incidence of autism is perceived to have exploded in my half century.

    GD Star Rating
    loading...
    • Mia

      Anon – please don’t tell people to google something as if that is the same as scientific proof. It’s not!!!!!

      GD Star Rating
      loading...
      • anon

        I’m sorry Mia, I didn’t realise that your readers were unable to google Pinks Disease without panicking that Barbies cause autism. I presumed they have the intellect to sift through and find scientific based information.

        Here’s a link for them if they’re interested. It’s related to Swinbourne research into Pinks Disease through three generations and says, in part -

        A family history of pink disease is a significant risk factor for developing autism spectrum disorder (ASD), new research from Swinburne University of Technology has found.

        For the current study the Swinburne researchers surveyed over 500 Australian survivors of Pink Disease, asking them about the health of their descendents. This allowed them to collect detailed data about the survivors, as well as their 1100 children and 1360 grandchildren.

        The prevalence rate of most disorders was comparable to general population figures, however, the rate for autism was extremely high.

        “Staggeringly, we found that one in 25 grandchildren of pink disease survivors aged 6-12 had been diagnosed with an autism spectrum disorder. This compares to the current Australian prevalence rate for that age group of one in 160.

        “This study suggests that it may actually be a combination of the two. That is, genetic susceptibility to a trigger (mercury) and then exposure to that trigger. In this sense, it is like a peanut allergy. For most of us peanuts are completely harmless but, for those who are allergic, there can be serious consequences if there is exposure.”

        “This can be done by observing the recommendations of Food Standards Australia regarding seafood consumption, opting for non-amalgam dental fillings and requesting preservative-free vaccines from your doctor,” he said.

        http://www.sciencealert.com.au/news/20110908-22477.html

        The study suggests that a predisposition to mercury sensitivity may be a link to the increased autism rates.

        Since 1999, Thimerosal has been removed or reduced to trace amounts in all vaccines routinely recommended for children 6 years of age and younger.

        Except Hep B.

        Why was it removed?

        Maybe autism isn’t directly linked to the actual vaccine anymore, maybe it is linked to the vaccines given to the child’s parents.

        Any parent who has had a normal, engaged child one day before vaccinations and an autistic one after deserves to have access to research that might give them answers. Equally, if they have a family member with autism they have the right to know that links are being studied before they immunise.

        Even if they have to google it.

        GD Star Rating
        loading...
        • Deb

          That ‘study’ has been thoroughly discredited – it didn’t even look at the medical records of the children, but relied on reporting from their grandparents. While I have great respect for all the grandparents of my children, they are not able to diagnose autism or autism like symptoms!

          And saying that parents of children with autism deserve answers? Absolutely. That is why there have been over 60 studies done around the world looking at different aspects of the autism/vaccine connection. There isn’t one.

          It isn’t the scientific and medical community ignoring parents’ concerns. It is particular parents and organisations with a vested interest ignoring answers they don’t like. Just because you don’t like the answer doesn’t mean there isn’t one there.

          GD Star Rating
          loading...
      • H

        Mia I can’t believe you are telling parents NOT to look into information for themselves, that is ludicrous!!!!! I recently read your ” load of rubbish ” in the Herald stating parents are stupid for not vaccinating their children. I found your article very aggressive and sorry I don’t view ” your opinion ” on anything as ” expert “. I have 4 children and like with my own health, I research everything before we decide if it’s the path we take. Before you publish an article on let’s say Vaccination, did you care to research both sides of the story so you present a balanced argument? Have you sat in a room with a group of parents who have seen their beautiful, healthy children change after their routine vaccinations? No you referenced one past workmate you knew and you painted him to be stupid. I dont see him that way, I applaud him for going a little deeper and making a decision based on personal research. Last year here in WA a little girl became serverely brain damaged after she was given a scientifically approved flu shot. I dare you to sit in the same room as those parents and rant your vaccination opinions. Oh and I know you don’t agree with using Google as a tool for information but just in case her name was Saba Button. Her parents totally regret not researching their decision. On the whole Google topic, I found Mamamia on Google so I guess parents should view it as a load of rubbish because the content you post is not all scientifically based, sheesh!

        GD Star Rating
        loading...
        • anon

          I don’t want to harp on the issue of research and disseminating information for yourself as opposed to relying on ‘cheat sheets’ but …. being a massive advocate for the environment my natural instinct was to jump onto the whole ‘climate change’ bandwagon.

          After months of swinging to both sides of the debate, ‘googling’ scientific and opinion pieces and listening to the absolute nonsense of Flannery, the Greens and the ALP and knowing that the carbon tax will be a wrecking ball through our economy, after researching the Chinese climate whose records date back 3500 years and discovering that we have had three episode of warmer periods than we have now, after spending months wading through info to find out how it all got rolling in the first place, after discovering the fraud and murder of farmers in third world countries who’s farms have been stolen with UN sanction to provide single species forests for carbon traders, I’m happy to say that, unlike Mia, who couldn’t even be bothered to watch An Inconvenient Truth and formed her opinion because the scientists told her what to think, I’ve made my own informed decision about climate change/global warming/cooling/drought and flooding rain and concluded that if you want the real info then GOOGLE it and don’t trust anyone – not even scientists.

          Who do you think is paying for the research? Who’s paying the climate scientists? Who’s paying for the research into CSG? Who’s funding the CSIRO who have a disclaimer at the bottom of their website that says they reserve the right to be wrong?

          Of course, once Bob Brown shuts down free speech and the ALP get their internet censorship, we probably won’t be able to find out anything. ‘Reporters without Borders’ has an alert on Australia and is monitoring the situation.

          Get googling while you can.

          BTW I’m not an AVN troll. My children were vacinated without incident and I agree that it has been one of the major scientific benefits to society but it does need to be monitored.

          Ms Gillard says the ‘science is settled’ … that’s enough for me to know that it never is.

          And there is nothing wrong with being a skeptic.

          GD Star Rating
          loading...
          • la1985

            The internet is no substitute for actual scientific knowledge. You have been duped by misinformation because you can’t accept the reality of the situation. I see climate change deniers and anti-vaccers as exactly the same as creationists – you can find heaps of stuff on the internet that ‘disproves’ evoltuion. The only problem is it is all wrong.

            GD Star Rating
            loading...
        • Deb

          In your ‘research’ you came across the reason the flu vaccine was introduced in WA, didn’t you? It’s fairly easy to find.

          So either you weren’t thorough enough to find it, you choose to ignore information that doesn’t fit in with your preconceptions, or you don’t think dead children are relevant to children’s health.

          Whichever is the case, it must be a very interesting logic tree involved.

          GD Star Rating
          loading...
    • Faybian

      Thiomersal is not in Australian childhood vaccines. You don’t even need to googl it, you can read this post with the many comments providing excellent links.
      If you insist though, check the NHMRC website (Australian) or the CDC website.

      GD Star Rating
      loading...
    • acanberramum

      I don’t understand your point at all.

      Mercury (thiomerosal) is not in any childhood vaccines except the mono valent Hep B vaccine (and there are a number of mercury-free Hep B vaccine alternatives). I can’t see how the author was “quietly mentioning mercury”. It is right there under myth number 2 – the one that points out that childhood vaccines do not contain mercury (except for one for which alternatives are available). It is absolutely possible for a child to be fully immunised without subjecting them to any vaccines containing thiomerosal (if that is what you are actually worried about).

      I find it astonishing that the myth that childhood vaccines contain mercury continues to be perpetuated. It is just not true. You can’t even debate the validity of medical studies on this – it is just not true.

      GD Star Rating
      loading...
    • Sullivanthepoop

      If ethylmercury was the cause of autism why when Mercurochrome was widely used was there not also a high incidence of autism and why in countries where it is still widely used is there no higher incidence of autism than countries that banned it? Also, when it was banned why was the incidence of autism increased instead of decreased? Why if children are being poisoned by the ethylmercury from vaccines is there not a high incidence of liver and kidney failure, the most common symptom of ethylmercury poisoning?

      GD Star Rating
      loading...
  20. Seahorse

    This is great. I am all for fighting myths with science – yay MM. Vaccination is so important and I’m really glad you’re behind the issue.

    On the other hand I can’t help but chip on #9… nearly every country in the world has a different vaccination schedule, sometimes this is because the actual brand/dosage of vaccine is different, but it is largely because the medical communities in different countries do actually have different views about what an infants immune system can take at different stages of development. There is usually only a couple of months difference, but it’s potentially worth taking into consideration that Australia’s recommendations are viewed as a bit “aggressive” by other v well qualified paediatricians in the world.

    Also it would be TOPS if mamamia (and everyone really!) backed science as strongly on other parenting topics. Recent debates on circumcision and breastfeeding spring to mind.

    p.s. hope you catch out the AVN trolls.

    GD Star Rating
    loading...
  21. MB

    To all you conspiracy theorists out there, ever seen a toddler with tetanus in ICU because her nut job parents didn’t believe in vaccination?

    So totally unnecessary.

    I have 4 children. All vaccinated. All healthy.
    Thank you for your article Dr Rachael.

    GD Star Rating
    loading...
  22. Linda

    I read recently that there was a link between autism and not taking extra folate pre conception.

    Fascinating stuff.

    GD Star Rating
    loading...
  23. Daniel

    http://www.naturalnews.com/035256_Professor_Walker-Smith_MMR_vaccines_High_Court.html#ixzz1pC6wlnal

    Do you not follow current events? This is a nice propaganda article. What you’re doing is unethical. Nothing at all has been settled regarding vaccines and the industry is changing vastly every year. Anyone who claims to care about people’s health and safety should be screaming for as much research and definitive answers above all else. Nobody cares though. Pharmaceutical companies, colleges, scientists, politicians, doctors, lawyers, marketers, media companies, people like you, etc all stand to make money from vaccines. Were you not paid to write this article wasting your time “debunking” vaccines instead of advocating for clear science and answers? If you’re going to tell the truth, then tell the whole truth. Corruption is abound in this industry, and instead of trying to demonize “conspiracy theorists” you should look to the real devils. Otherwise, you’re just as much to blame. While vaccines may be saving some lives, they are taking others. The end does not justify the means, and we should ensure their safety before trying to blindly push them onto people, or worse legally force them.

    GD Star Rating
    loading...
    • Deb

      The GMC did not present legally sufficient reasons for Prof Walker-Smith’s verdict. In fact if you read the transcripts you will find it came down to Walker-Smith was acting as a clinician, rather than a researcher – that was Wakefield. If anything, this has strengthened the case that Wakefield was acting unethically, as it is now crystal clear that he was to blame and he can no longer pull others in to shield himself.

      It’s time to stop defending the man who performed invasive, dangerous, painful and unnecessary tests on developmentally delayed children. Wakefield’s fraud just showed the depths of his venality, he had already demonstrated that he was a poor excuse for a human being.

      GD Star Rating
      loading...
    • Jackie

      Seriously? &what do you think about the rubbish called “Evolution”?? More propaganda I suppose?

      GD Star Rating
      loading...
  24. Kat

    I think that the Good Doctor should probably go back to doctoring and stop writing ~ what nonsense. *can someone post where we to can purchase a medical degree*

    GD Star Rating
    loading...
    • Anonymous

      http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-20015982-10391695.html

      GD Star Rating
      loading...
    • Deb

      Perhaps you should go back to reading before criticising – it’s clearly stated that Dr Dunlop is not a medical doctor but has a PhD.

      Of course, the qualifications of the author are not really the question, but the points in the article. If you have any evidence they are incorrect feel free to present it.

      GD Star Rating
      loading...
  25. Debbie

    Here’s some information/statistics on vaccines (UK)
    Why people in this day and age trust anything their governments and big pharma ‘recommend’ for them is beyond me. We live in a capitalist society, where it’s profit over people.

    https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.106824036071541.19877.100002318340989&type=3

    GD Star Rating
    loading...
    • Seahorse

      Yeah, way better to trust your link from Facebook. WAY more reliable thank doctors and governments n that.

      GD Star Rating
      loading...
    • Annoyed

      Here’s an idea, go and get your medical degree and then come and make your point. Only then will I listen to you.

      Oh what’s that? You don’t have one? Maybe because you’re not smart enough to have one!

      GD Star Rating
      loading...
  26. Derick

    Headline “9 vaccination myths busted”. You then go through 9 “myths” however, instead of “Debunking” them you actually admit they are true, just not as bad as they are made out to be. Hillarious! 1.Myth – Vax cause Autisum. Doesn’t happen you say (Family to Receive $1.5M+ in First-Ever Vaccine-Autism Court Award (CBS News)) 2. Vaccines contain mercury – You then go on to say none contain mercury, except for the ones that do… lol. Myth 3: Vaccines contain toxic ingredients. You say Pah, no they don’t, then go on to list how they do just not really all that much. again, LOL. Myth 4: Vaccines have never been tested. Trust the TGA you say. The TGA itself admits its funding comes from the vaccine companies. Myth 5: Vaccines don’t work because children who are vaccinated can still get the disease. Trust me you say. Just because they don’t stop you getting the disease doesn’t mean they didn’t work. Haha. You are funny. Got me laughing now. Shall we continue? Myth 6: Improved living standards, not vaccination have reduced disease. A look at disease rates since the 1900′s will CLEARLY show all diseases were on the decline long before vaccines introduced and that vaccines had little to no impact at all. Myth 8: Vaccines cause or spread the diseases they are supposed to prevent. Some simple research will provide many many examples of the disease being blah

    GD Star Rating
    loading...
    • Dr Rachael Dunlop

      Hi Derick, you raise many issues (which I don’t agree with), but let me address one outstanding point.

      You mention that diseases were on the decline long before vaccines were introduced. This is true to some extent (but does not exclude the independent role of vaccines).

      However, if you look at polio as an example then the effect of clean water and sanitation had the opposite effect. Prior to clean water etc, people were exposed to polio virus via bad water, feces etc., thus developed antibodies, so they were less susceptible to getting polio. When sanitation was improved polio cases increased. Yes, they increased.

      We now have polio under control, to a large degree. There remain 4 countries where polio was never stopped (inc Pakistan and Afghanistan amongst others) but India had their first polio free year in 2011. Do you think sanitation improved significantly in India last year, as opposed to 2010?

      Please explain to me why polio got worse when sanitation and water quality was improved. Because the evidence I have seen indicates it was vaccines that resulted in a reduction, not improved sanitation.

      GD Star Rating
      loading...
      • science is for sale

        ding, ding.. i’ll take THE FING VACCINE SHED. Rach, you need a new hobby.

        GD Star Rating
        loading...
        • Mia

          A new hobby? Is that how you see science?

          GD Star Rating
          loading...
        • Deb

          Did you notice that this is talking about *reduction* of polio?

          According to you, polio is caused by vaccines shedding (I think, it’s difficult to understand you). But when vaccine use was increased, it disappeared. Does this make sense to you?

          GD Star Rating
          loading...
    • Anon

      Derick

      Regarding your point: 1.Myth – Vax cause Autisum. Doesn’t happen you say (Family to Receive $1.5M+ in First-Ever Vaccine-Autism Court Award (CBS News)) – I’ll admit to not even googling this case to see whether it exists but I’ll take your word for it. However, recognition by a court of law (and a civil court – presumably – at that, where the burden of proof is simply a preponderance of guilt, rather than guilty beyond reasonable doubt) is not the same as scientific evidence. All it means is that a jury of twelve laypeople have decided that there is a causal effect.

      That is like going to a jury to ask whether there is extraterrestrial life or whether the earth is round – all depends on who you ask and how you ask it really…

      GD Star Rating
      loading...
  27. Anna

    Pity that Whooping cough boosters aren’t cheaper or free. You have to pay for the visit $70 and then the vaccine $60.00. I guess there is just not enough money to go around, and the government have to choose who to spend it on (the most at risk).

    GD Star Rating
    loading...
    • Nat. A.

      Hi Anna,

      I’m not sure if the program has recently changed, but I got the whooping cough booster (Boostrix) for free a couple of months ago (I’m in NSW). I’m not in an ‘at risk’ group, just wanted to be on the safe side (for me and the community).

      GD Star Rating
      loading...
  28. JJ

    Question….how many millions of dollars are paid out every year to families of children who have had horrific affects from a vaccination, even death?? Not sure…..that’s because the Governent and Vaccination’ manufacturers don’t want you to know….How would you feel if it was your son who died from the flu vaccine in 2010 in Queensland, let alone the tens of children who became gravely ill. Don’t tell me that reasonable collateral damage is acceptable!

    I certainly wouldn’t be one to judge any parent either way!!!

    GD Star Rating
    loading...
    • Mia

      JJ, how would you feel if your baby got whooping cough and died because of misinformation like anti vaxxers like you continue to propagate?

      GD Star Rating
      loading...
      • emma

        I’m with you Mia. I have a 10 year old nephew who had whooping cough for approx. 8 months last year. Seeing him gasping for breath, turning blue & having to constantly make the decision to call the ambulance again or not for the 50th time that day was horrific. My poor sister & her family who lived with that constant fear on a daily basis over that time ….. well, I just don’t know how they did it. Let alone the strain it poor on my nephews body, school work etc. And all we hope is that this year will be better! fingers crossed.

        GD Star Rating
        loading...
        • Debbie

          Did you have him vaccinated?

          GD Star Rating
          loading...
        • Starshines

          Yes, Emma, was your nephew vaccinated?

          GD Star Rating
          loading...
    • oscars mum

      in america there is a fund to compensate for vaccine-injury. maybe we need one here too.

      http://medalerts.org/

      GD Star Rating
      loading...
      • anon

        that’s a fund linked to a US anti vaccination group, it has nothing to do with the US government.

        GD Star Rating
        loading...
    • Yoyo

      I think you’ll find that the evidence in support of vaccination is overwhelming.

      Cost-benefit. Would you rather 5 billion humans infected with polio because there is no vaccine, or a couple of hundred in the US every other decade suing a vaccine supplier because they got a nasty rash?

      We definitely need more oversight, openness and accountability, granted. This is not the issue though.

      The issue is, do you want to literally throw all the babies out with the bathwater?

      I take it that you don’t. There are elements of ethical concern in your commentary which suggest that this has lead you up the garden path.

      Call for openness and accountability. Definitely do that. But please, don’t tell people not to vaccinate their kids.

      GD Star Rating
      loading...
    • Andy

      How many millions of dollars are paid out every year to families of children who have choked on ham sandwiches, even died? Not sure? That’s because the Government and pig farmers (separate from big pharma) don’t want you to know.

      GD Star Rating
      loading...
  29. the Original Camille

    I am in the process of being offered a job in NSW health as a counsellor in the community (not hospital.)
    They can’t give my paperwork to HR for an official offer until I prove to them that I am fully immunised. So, no immunisation = no job.
    I think it’s fair enough.

    GD Star Rating
    loading...
    • Kris2040

      How do you do that? Get a blood test to check immunity? Or just go and get boosters and get a certificate showing what you’ve had? Again, I don’t understand why the Childhood Immunisation Register isn’t just the Immunisation Register and everyone’s details are kept up to date…

      GD Star Rating
      loading...
      • the Original Camille

        it’s a combination of the the proof I have (from blood tests results I kept when pregnant) and now getting blood tests to show immunity for the one I don’t have proof of.
        I think an Immunisation register would be a great idea.

        GD Star Rating
        loading...
      • rainbow

        sometimes you can be fully immunised but have waning immunity, so for a situation like this, you need both immunisation record and blood test to prove immunity.

        i would like to see a similar thing in schools!

        GD Star Rating
        loading...
        • Kris2040

          I don’t see why it can’t be backed up by a jab book system. ADF personnel have a jab book which gets stamped for each immunisation. Not continuing boosters etc just makes people think they don’t need to bother.

          GD Star Rating
          loading...
          • rainbow

            i agree, i have no idea of the dates of my immunisations, i will need to check my immunity when i go back to work or travel.

            it would be good if the national immunisation register included adults too. the thing is you have immunisations at work, hospital and gp’s (which i have changed fairly frequently at times) so i really have no idea.

            GD Star Rating
            loading...
            • Kris2040

              But kids ones are linked to their medicare numbers, so why can’t adults? Silly.

              GD Star Rating
              loading...
          • rainbow

            replying here as it won’t let me reply below. i am guessing that information is somewhere in the system, as you are right, immunisations are linked to our medicare number. i am not sure why it isn’t easier to access.

            i think extending the register would really help with immunisation uptake. mmm maybe a letter to the minister of health is needed?

            GD Star Rating
            loading...
            • kellyslaternotthesurfer

              Good idea!

              I had a baby 2 weeks ago, and got a free Whooping Cough booster-shot then…. and a quick look at my peri-natal blood tests tell me what I already had immunity to… But if it wasn’t for these, I would have NO IDEA what I needed booster-shots for!

              It should be linked to your medicare number, like the Organ Donation Register is. I’m going to write to Tanya Pilbersek (I know she’s the health minister, as there was a lovely letter signed by her in our Newborn kit from the hospital!).

              GD Star Rating
              loading...
  30. TV

    I read so many comments and laughed at the stupidity of some people. For those who are anti-vax, ive got a little job for you to fill in your time.
    OK, here goes…. ready?
    Say you could break into the CDC and manage to get into BSL-4 (this is impossible but lets pretend shall we?) open the fridge and get yourself a vial of lets say hmmmm smallpox. Lets make it really fun and get Hemorrhagic smallpox. How expose yourself to it and then go home and give your kids and all your neighbours cuddles and kisses.
    Here’s the deal, within about 8 weeks (thanks to the wonders of quick, easy international travel) about 30% of the worlds population would probably die. You see, Smallpox was erraticated by this funny thing called Vaccination. To ensure that it was completely ridded from the earth (and yes, people proclaim that its still around but called something else, this also is not true as diseases such as monkeypox present different symptoms and results) a dedicated group of people started ring vaccinations. Travelling to areas, containing the disease until it was all gone. But hang on, vaccinations dont work… well, Im guessing they must have had a sharman or some herbs or something. It could just be a coincidence that they were there vaccinating at the same time it, you know, dissapeared.

    GD Star Rating
    loading...
    • rainbow

      are you for real??

      30% of the population? that is scary.

      GD Star Rating
      loading...
      • Yoyo

        Unfortunately that’s just after 8 weeks. Give it another month and it would be even higher. One of the things preventing things like small pox from making our species extinct in the past was that we were spread so thinly and didn’t always come into contact with infected communities.

        If bubonic plague showed up in one person tomorrow and was not immediately contained, we may just all be dead by next week.

        It’s very, very fortunate that medieval people barely left their home towns….very very fortunate indeed.

        And that fast international travel coincided with vaccination and improved standards of cleanliness…

        GD Star Rating
        loading...
        • Kevin

          And thank goodness for the bubonic plague vaccine. It’s obviously the most effective of the lot.

          GD Star Rating
          loading...
    • Debbie

      If you look at the evidence( which is readily available), smallpox had already declined to near enough obscurity before the vaccine was even introduced.

      GD Star Rating
      loading...
      • Ken McLeod

        Debbie

        Please provide the evidence (which you say is readily available),that smallpox had already declined to near enough obscurity before the vaccine was even introduced.

        GD Star Rating
        loading...
  31. Raloplump

    Take care of try on particular [url=http://www.clshoeslondon.com/]Christian Louboutin Shoes[/url] widths using stiletto heels to make sure you are comfortable within them. Promotional brand name rotters are by and large much more comfortable just like good will implemented terribly honestly as well as , elegance yet outfits. One specific schokohrrutige stiletto villain 1 thing every woman should try to get afflicted with in her own cabinet. Often the blighters must be really large but when it gives you accustomed bearing in addition , hiking to be had in the form of [url=http://www.clshoeslondon.com/]Louboutin Shoes[/url] in fact in the role of considering premium donning it, you would possibly have to wonder technique yet neglected to Christian louboutin shoes Balota 150mm Shoes Red-colored feature only one!

    Shanghai Louboutin Dance shoes [url=http://www.clshoeslondon.com/]Christian Louboutin[/url] is like a process vehicle. She gets your loved one attractive current fashion trends days or weeks shut off of which she will be as part of perspiration. On the topic of any given time of day throughout the Shanghai, you are absolute to move straight into the fashionistas treading along the length of wearing their Christian louboutin high heels but Hermes sacs, and / or facility women loitering pertaining to within T-shirts and moreover knee height pants. Throughout the various speech, Shanghai is without a doubt versatile, elegant, yet ornate reada location for which you acquire ingenious stylish tasty mix coming! [url=http://www.clshoeslondon.com/]Christian Louboutin UK[/url] You may a good quality food and also liquids on the top bar bottom Christian Christian louboutin relating to Outstanding Hyatt quite possibly Recreation area Hyatt, to determine a good wear a costume and additionally match the style knowledgeable crowd. A nice sleeveless schokofarbene wedding dress by a stiletto high heel sandals will complete extra money.

    Shanghai is truly Christian louboutin uk [url=http://www.clshoeslondon.com/]Louboutin UK[/url] boiling attractive in winter and as well unusually cold wintry in winter, just what exactly your site stow really think about any time you are exploring. Considering that summer months are bobbing up, I am about to converse more and more in regard to the summer and spring clothing fashion inside of Shanghai. Sightseeing and tour over Shanghai requires shrewd running shoes. Substances they have a large amount using cobble roads of your touristy online, which includes Yu-Yuan Outside and also Zhou Zhuang. You happen to be happier eating a set of two Teva sandals resorts in jamaica together [url=http://www.clshoeslondon.com/]Louboutin Sale[/url] to eradicate these tough.Club bing doing Shanghai is broken down in two streamsexpat and native. Gear as M1NT and Prive are hands down pretty much like what you could see in any other fundamental locations around the world. On some sort of well-fitted breast feeding outfits and a couple of bling-bling pumps regarding any big night out.

    Bad weather is without question incessant here in Shanghai most abundant in storm that develops connecting Summer Christian louboutin shoes [url=http://www.clshoeslondon.com/]Christian Louboutin Sale[/url] Heels Ariella Clou Precious metal Studded Running shoe Jet black indicates of Aug 8 -10 half inch an average per thirty days . Additionally, they are the most well liked when it comes to basic altitudes all the way through Sept getting started with summer months for wear through 83 certifications P oker 21 amounts C and typical low-cost on 50 degree programs H 21 levels of severity G [url=http://www.clshoeslondon.com/] http://www.clshoeslondon.com/ [/url] as well as August and June featuring frequent heights on 88 stages M 31 * c 3 and commonplace levels off Seventy seven levels of severity C 25 levels Chemical .Trip Shanghai, associated with high end business owners together with L along the Bund, brings Christian Louboutin most of the ” inside info ” hideaways on citizen expats. mnbvcxz0030

    GD Star Rating
    loading...
    • Andy

      I find it hard to challenge any of this. If only the AVN were this coherent.

      GD Star Rating
      loading...
  32. Pingback: » A lesson in “do your research”

  33. unique article wizard discount

    vaccines are important for the patients. If the world doesn’t have any vaccines for sure the world will suffer because lots and lots of people will die.

    unique article wizard discount

    GD Star Rating
    loading...
  34. RichardMaretti

    This is Babulerman.

    GD Star Rating
    loading...
  35. Anon

    See even medical researchers get it wrong. They are still human and we must remember this. Your opening post was wrong. I doubt you even read past the abstract (your suppose to be a researcher!), the article says that 60% of the results will be antivaccination information nowhere does it say “misleading but downright scary”…

    Myth 1: Vaccines cause Autism. Please explain why then, the vaccination has steadily grown with the diagnosis of Autism in children? Your studies were only targeted at MMR and no study I know of looks at the compounding effect of the vaccination schedule and Autism.

    Myth 2: Well you said Vaccines contain Mercury, and you backed that up with science. So dont see how that was ‘busted’? Also do you know the biotransformation process of Thiomersal? Did you know that Ethylmercury specifically targets kidney and central nervous system tissue? (the brain – autism is also a brain thing). Also the MMR link with Measles looked at a Causal relationship not a positive correlation… Smoking does not cause lung cancer but there is a definate positive correlation between the two.

    Myth 3: Mercury and Aluminium depending on gut flora do not readily cross into the circulatory system from the digestive system. However these are toxic when deposited directly into the bloodstream. Vaccines are administered directly into the bloodstream.

    Myth 4: So how do vaccines pass Phase 2 of the drug development phase? This would imply that vaccines are not tested thoroughly.

    Myth 5: Naturally acquired immunity does not fade, vaccine induced immunity does because it fails to target the cell mediated response in the immune system. So thus it is only a humoral response, 1 side of the immune response. Also Pertussis recurrence also happens exclusively in vaccinated persons because the Vaccine fails to target the Adenocyclase Tropin toxin which naturally acquired immunity does create antibodies to.

    Myth 6: Polio vaccine coverage was only 60%, current day diseases like Measles have a much higher vaccination coverage. So mass vaccination cannot be attributed to eradication of certain diseases.

    Myth 7: 4 babies out of the hundreds of thousands born every year is definately not a epidemic. Were these babies immunocompromised? were they born prematurely? were they breastfed? did they have an underlying condition that made them susceptible to the mortality they suffered?

    Myth 8: Since the 1950′s you forgot to note that in 1990 there was an outbreak attributed to the Polio vaccine in Africa, again in 2000 in America and Again in 2011 in Nigeria! People catch planes, travel interstate, virus transmission spreads and mutates and you have an epidemic. Also most cases of Polio are fever, headache and sore throat… Only 1 in a few thousand get sick more than just the normal viral infection. Notably because they have genes that make them susceptible. Epigenetics should be the main cause of vaccination not the current mass vaxx campaign.

    Myth 9: Yes it will be overwhelmed. Sweden which employs a delayed vaccination schedule and is also the second lowest country for Infant Mortality rate. America has the highest and also one of the most aggressive vaccination schedules.

    Do your reading look at all the evidence and don’t believe everything you read!

    GD Star Rating
    loading...
    • lucindainthesky

      You lost me at “smoking doesn’t cause cancer”.

      GD Star Rating
      loading...
    • Kris2040

      3. How is something that is either swallowed or injected into muscle or fatty tissue going directly into the bloodstream?

      GD Star Rating
      loading...
      • LS

        Do some research and you’ll find out. Come on, it’s not hard….it would save you time asking stupid questions like this.

        GD Star Rating
        loading...
        • Faybian

          Rude! I’m still trying to work it out and I’ve given heaps of IM injections (including vaccinations) and the first thing you do is pull on the plunger a bit to make sure you haven’t gotten a blood vessel.

          GD Star Rating
          loading...
          • Kris2040

            I’m sure if I googled or asked the AVN I’d find out. But for some crazy reason I prefer to ask people who actually know what they’re on about.

            If it’s so simple, I’m sure LS can share the mechanics of it with us.

            GD Star Rating
            loading...
      • Debbie

        When you take a painkiller or intra muscular contraceptive injection, does it not enter the bloodstream directly or indirectly?……………..stop belittling people simply because you disagree with their opinion.

        GD Star Rating
        loading...
        • Faybian

          Its indirectly, just like anything you eat ends up (on a molecular level) in the bloodstream too.
          The sentence was vaccines introduce the germs directly into the bloodstream. If they were IV, I’d agree.

          GD Star Rating
          loading...
          • Kris2040

            Exactly. The implication is that they go straight into your blood, and that’s not true. If it was intravenous it would. I’m not even a scientician and I can explain the difference!

            GD Star Rating
            loading...
            • Faybian

              I’d say a lot of the sillier comments are from anti vaxxers. The bad spelling, lack of grammar, dodgy links, ridiculous claims and blatantly foolish statements such as the directly into the bloodstream comment.

              GD Star Rating
              loading...
        • Jane DJ

          When a vaccine is injected intramuscularly, it stays in the tissues for some time stimulating adaptive immunity, ie this is the point at which it is introduced to the immune system.

          Because of differences in vascularity, the rates of absorption differ, with arm > thigh > buttocks.
          The volume of injection, osmolality of the solution, lipid solubility and degree of ionization influence absorption.

          The immune system gets time to take a good look at it and prepare in case it ever sees the actual disease. It slowly and indirectly leaches in a more or less altered form, to the blood vessels. But the key words are “slowly” and “indirectly”. Peak blood concentrations are much lower than they would be with an intravenous injection.

          Believe it or not, all this is taken into account when developing and formulating vaccines. Hardly the barbaric intravenous infusions the antivax crowd would have you all believe.

          GD Star Rating
          loading...
    • Kris2040

      1. Autism (or rather ASD) diagnosis has gone up because doctors and teachers are better at picking it, and getting treatment for it.

      GD Star Rating
      loading...
      • lisa

        and over diagnosing it

        GD Star Rating
        loading...
      • Debbie

        What? There was not one case of autism until the start of the century when middle class families (who could afford vaccines) started to vaccinate. RESEARCH!

        GD Star Rating
        loading...
        • Deb

          Autism wasn’t defined until 1943 – that doesn’t mean it appeared in 1943.

          Try doing some of your ‘research’ in the records of old insane asylums, institutions for the mentally defective (their description, not mine), or even fairy tales and myths of changelings. The autism spectrum has been with us for a very long time, it just wasn’t defined and studied.

          GD Star Rating
          loading...
        • Seahorse

          Seriously “Debbie”… do you think that was the ONLY thing that happened at the turn of the century? Just because two things trend in the same direction does not prove cause and effect.

          Edward Jenner on the other hand, DID prove the cause and effect of the smallpox vaccination.

          GD Star Rating
          loading...
    • guest

      Anon – you lost me at your improper use of you’re (you’re): “your suppose to be a researcher!” just be because something happens at the same time as another doesn’t mean one causes the other. In fact, in a real world setting it’s virtually impossible to suggest something causes another thing because there are so many variables. It’s called attribution.
      Just because the infant mortality rate in Sweden is low, would be more related to their extremely high standard of living, of health care, and their climate. Do some research.

      GD Star Rating
      loading...
    • Marty

      “Do your reading look at all the evidence and don’t believe everything you read!”

      So… Don’t believe you then?

      The advantage of scientists is that they have scientific evidence that shows them what’s going on.

      “Please explain why then, the vaccination has steadily grown with the diagnosis of Autism in children”

      There is no correlation. You’re relying on information that is unreliable to draw this conclusion.

      “Did you know that Ethylmercury specifically targets kidney and central nervous system tissue?”

      Doesn’t matter. In the tiny quantities it is in in vaccines, ethyl mercury leaves the system before it can accumulate to cause damage. You consume more methylmercury (far more harmful) in a tuna sandwich than you get from a vaccine. Does that mean tuna sandwiches kill?

      ” Vaccines are administered directly into the bloodstream.”

      No they’re not. Statements like this demonstrate how much you really don’t know about vaccines. Perhaps before you start claiming superior knowledge, you actually start with some elemental knowledge, like how vaccines are injected into muscle tissue. They never go into the bloodstream.

      “So how do vaccines pass Phase 2 of the drug development phase?”

      http://www.historyofvaccines.org/content/articles/vaccine-development-testing-and-regulation

      “Naturally acquired immunity does not fade, vaccine induced immunity does because it fails to target the cell mediated response in the immune system.”

      Natural immunity requires getting the disease, and subsequently, risking the severe complications of these diseases. Whilst vaccines may need to be repeated, there is more than a 90% chance that you’ll never get the disease.

      “So mass vaccination cannot be attributed to eradication of certain diseases.”

      Research smallpox. Then we’ll talk

      “4 babies out of the hundreds of thousands born every year is definately not a epidemic. Were these babies immunocompromised? were they born prematurely? were they breastfed? did they have an underlying condition that made them susceptible to the mortality they suffered?”

      JUST ONE is far too many, and if you think the doctors are so stupid that they don’t ask these questions themselves, then you go do your own 8 years at medical school and teach them how.

      “Also most cases of Polio are fever, headache and sore throat… Only 1 in a few thousand get sick more than just the normal viral infection”

      Would you like to be the one in a thousand that gets paralysed for life from polio? One in a thousand means that for every 20,000 people, 20 will be paralysed or die or suffer severe complications, if that was the rate. No point in checking the ACTUAL rate, just trying to give you a little lesson in probability and statistics.

      “they have genes that make them susceptible”

      Why consider the genetics for Polio, and not for autism?

      ” Yes it will be overwhelmed. Sweden which employs a delayed vaccination schedule and is also the second lowest country for Infant Mortality rate. America has the highest and also one of the most aggressive vaccination schedules.”

      You need to do some fact checking before you make claims like these. I suggest the CIA World Factbook – very good statistics on all countries.

      GD Star Rating
      loading...
    • Emma

      Anon – please think before you type.

      The growth in the numbers of diagnosis of autism is not due to vaccines.

      It is because Autism is a spectrum disorder, and it is now accepted that there are many types of autism. Many cases of milder autism/ asperger’s in the past have been undiagnosed and untreated, because people did not fully understand the nature of the condition.

      If you knew more about Autism, you would be aware of this.

      My brother is autistic, and cases range across a very broad spectrum. Its not a ‘disease’ like measles or small pox – where either you have it or you don’t.

      Vaccination numbers have grown because parents don’t want their kids dying from horrific illnesses such as whopping cough. That’s fair enough I’d say.

      Many parents of autistic children get so overwhelmed by the diagnosis that they need to ‘blame’ someone. Jenny McCarthy has obviously gone down this path.
      Is it that difficult to comprehend that maybe kids are born that way?
      An injection can not alter the chemistry in your brain or how the connections in your brain work.

      You are incredibly mis – informed. Perhaps you should go to your doctor and ask them about some one these issues, as opposed to believing ludicrous things you read on random websites that are not backed by credible evidence.

      GD Star Rating
      loading...
  36. David's Autism-Daddy

    I can prove that not one of these is a myth. With Science!

    GD Star Rating
    loading...
    • Kris2040

      Go for it.

      GD Star Rating
      loading...
    • Jane DJ

      Really? If you have something to say, then say it. Does this sort of breadcrumbing make you feel special?

      A week later and the crickets chirp into DA-D’s silence.

      GD Star Rating
      loading...
    • brightrfish

      We’d love to see your ‘science’. Go right ahead and prove that none of the above are myths.

      My nephew is autistic. Not one family member has been silly enough to think it could have been caused by vaccination. Looking back, he was showing some ASD-type behaviours from birth. There are plenty of conditions that show no symptoms until after vaccination. Are we to blame vaccination for Multiple Sclerosis, for example? MS sufferers are born ‘normal’ and develop perfectly; therefore vaccination must cause MS. Are we to believe such bunk from ‘conscientious objectors’ such as the AVN?

      GD Star Rating
      loading...
      • Kris2040

        Could just be like our learned friend Erwin and blame the rise in the number of gay people on universal immunisation…

        GD Star Rating
        loading...
      • guest

        Are we to blame vaccinations for Multiple Sclerosis?
        YES!

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lOdFTX5BuI

        GD Star Rating
        loading...
      • Debbie

        Many of the ingredients in vaccines such as mercury or aluminium are bio accumulative, the more vaccines, the greater concentration in the body and/or brain. If you live in America babies have their first vaccine on day one. My child is unvaccinated and has never been ill, in comparison to 6 or 7 friends whose children have had all their vaccines and they are never ever well. Proof in the pudding as they say.

        GD Star Rating
        loading...
        • Seahorse

          Debbie – That is a really weird definition of “proof”?

          I prefer Dr Rachel Dunlop’s definition of proof.

          GD Star Rating
          loading...
        • Sullivanthepoop

          My son is a fully vaccinated 22-year-old. He was never sick in his first year of life, he has never made an antibody to any strain of influenza, and gets a mild cold once about every 5-6 years. Proof is in the pudding or is this just anecdata that is no more proof than your anecdata?

          GD Star Rating
          loading...
  37. Riddley Walker

    “Talk to your GP for advice on pertussis boosters (which are free until June 2012 in Victoria).”

    They might be free for parents, but my “friend of the family” booster cost me about $30. I’, unemplyed, but considered it value for money.

    GD Star Rating
    loading...
  38. Filipio

    Just on myth one Rachael, and in the interests of transparency:

    One might note that the major finding of the review you cite was that (quoting directly): ‘for the majority of cases (135 vaccine-adverse event pairs), the evidence was inadequate to accept or reject a causal relationship’.

    In other words, the evidence is inconclusive either way.

    Which is certainly reassuring to me as a parent as far as that goes, but hardly a damning critique of any concern whatsoever, and markedly less than a ringing endorsement for open slather on any and all vaccines.

    Beyond the clearly ‘off with the faeries’ grandiose claims of deadly consequences, there is a level of parental concern which needs to be acknowledged and too often is not. The fundamental principle of epidemiological approaches is care at the level of populations, not individuals. What that comes down to is a fairly crude form of utilitarianism — if the health (mortality/morbidity) of the vast majority of the population as a whole is deemed to be improved, then the ‘sacrifice’ of a relative few is OK (excuse the emotive language, but I want to highlight the point).

    Now as a parent, I don’t deal with the population — I am considering this one, precious little individual and their well-being. That is my special responsibility, my main responsibility. And I am being asked, in the name of ‘population health’, to risk the health of my child, however slight the risk.

    Herein lies the dilemma of the parent.

    A concrete example. In the ACT, at the birth of my child I was asked — nay, pressured — to participate in a trial of early vaccination for Hep B. Neither my partner nor myself are intravenous drug users (a high risk groups for Hep B), nor to our knowledge are any of our close relatives or friends.

    Now, I am not about to suggest a specific risk associated with the vaccine. Once again there have been claims and studies, and findings and critiques of findings, or recommendations linked to specific vaccines (e.g. a 2009 study of the hepatitis B vaccine and associated risk of CNS inflammatory demyelination was conducted. The hepatitis B vaccine was found to be generally safe, however the Engerix B vaccine appeared to triple the risk of CNS inflammatory demyelination in infant boys).

    The question I asked myself at the time was this: could I be assured that the type of vaccine that was being offered to my infant boy (and this was in 2007) was absolutely the most risk-free and well-researched form available?

    I could not reassure myself on that point. And I simply could not countenance the notion that society required my new-born infant to be injected with a substance that bore no relation to his individual situation of risk, and that could not be guaranteed to do him no harm. In the name of the greater good of the population.

    Sorry; Australia was too abstract by comparison with my son’s perfect pink body and wide, wide blue eyes.

    GD Star Rating
    loading...
    • Dave

      @Filipio it’s an interesting point you make. Many of the arguments are presented in a population context. However most papers and such are not targeted at parents.

      So in considering the risk to your own child and not being concerned with the larger community. Just how well will your child fair when he catches one of these disease? After all he won’t have any immunity.

      With more parents not vaccinating the chances of this happening are increasing all the time. I certainly hope it never does but thats the reality parents not vaccinating their kids are creating.

      As for the trial….it was a trial and certainly carries a degree of risk which is higher. You can always just say no to that.

      GD Star Rating
      loading...
    • Faybian

      Your dates for a trial of early vaccination do not match up. We were giving hep b to babies at birth in 2000.. It’s part of the National immunisation schedule, so it doesn’t matter which state you’re in. So I’m afraid I’ll have to do an ICB on this one.

      GD Star Rating
      loading...
    • hghoni

      yqnhtmb

      GD Star Rating
      loading...
  39. Annie Os

    I would rather take the “risk” of an adverse reaction in my child to a vaccine once, than take a life threatening risk every time they take a breath , touch a surface, or come into contact with people by not vaccinating.

    It is irresponsible not to vaccinate, end of.

    GD Star Rating
    loading...
    • Maria

      I would see it irresponsible to vaccinate without education

      End of.

      GD Star Rating
      loading...
      • Ng

        You better get educated then Maria.

        GD Star Rating
        loading...
      • Andy

        So you’re saying start researching fulltime four or five years before you have a baby? Or do you mean read a few books and blogs once the baby’s arrived?

        GD Star Rating
        loading...
      • Debbie

        Exactly!! To knowingly inject these things into your own child’s body on the say so of a doctor that makes you sign a disclaimer before you vaccinate and NEVER gives you an ingredients leaflet is far more responsible than deciding to research for months and come to an informed decision that the risks far outweigh the pros. I’m with you. See there are people who are pro vaccination on this thread that are like fundamentalist christians forcing their opinions on others and telling them they are wrong and irresponsible. Don’t see much of that from the anti vaccine people.

        GD Star Rating
        loading...
        • Reddie

          My friends brother died of measles.

          Don’t forget to do your research on the effects of the disease on your child.

          GD Star Rating
          loading...
    • Vax comment

      Annie – that’s a very valid opinion to which you are entitled.

      End of.

      GD Star Rating
      loading...
  40. Emma

    I work closely with children with disabilities (including ASD) on a day to day basis.

    I did not believe vaccinations were harmful until many of the parents told me that they saw a significant change in their child within 24 hours after a vaccination.

    I also see many children with gut and immune disruptions due to many chemicals and viruses, including vaccinations.
    It is known that gut and immune dysfunctions can affect neurotransmitter production and cause other health/mental issues.

    My belief now is that many people ‘handle’ vaccinations as their immune system and gut are healthy.

    If you inject foreign substances into a blood stream which does not have the capacity to deal with these foreign substances then a reaction may occur.

    Many of the parents with ‘vaccine-damaged’ children I know are not advocators directly against vaccination- however if your system is not functioning then, just as you would advise against using strong chemicals in your home, please be cautious of overloading the body.
    Some say, build up the gut/immune system first, then use one at a time (many vaccinations are combined these days).

    You may also like to order the fact sheets for Australian vaccinations from their producers. Many of the contraindications do indeed list some of the illnesses such as Autism or the symptoms of Autism as a possible side effect. My personal interpretation of this is that the companies producing the vaccinations are aware that they may cause harm in some people.

    I would also like to say that many of the people who do choose not do vaccinate have done significant independent research.

    GD Star Rating
    loading...
    • ng

      Nowhere is there product information that lists ‘symptoms of autism’ as a possible side effect. Goodness me that is a straight faced lie.

      GD Star Rating
      loading...
      • Emma

        Autism is a symptom complex with a wide range of symptoms which can differ between each child.

        But here are some of the symptoms listed by one of Australias leading vaccination brands (which I wont list here due to defamation)

        unusual crying (for
        more than 1 hour),
        vomiting, diarrhoea,
        runny nose or loss of
        appetite
        sleepiness,
        nervousness, irritability
        restlessness, fussiness
        or difficulty sleeping

        Nervous system disorders:
        Rare: hypotonic-hyporesponsive episode

        Immune system disorders:
        Rare: allergic reactions (such as allergic dermatitis, atopic dermatitis, eczema)
        Metabolism and nutrition disorders:
        Very common: appetite lost
        Psychiatric disorders:
        Very common: irritability
        Uncommon: crying abnormal
        Nervous system disorders:
        Very common: drowsiness
        Uncommon: febrile and non-febrile convulsions

        Central and peripheral nervous system: Very rare: meningitis, Transverse myelitis, Guillain Barré
        syndrome, peripheral neuritis, encephalitis*

        Gastrointestinal malformation

        Metabolism and nutrition disorders: Common: appetite lost
        Psychiatric disorders: Very common: irritability
        delayed hypersensitivity reactions

        Rare: abnormal liver function tests

        Unknown frequency: muscular weakness

        Please note that ASD is unable to be diagnosed in children under 2 years of age as it as seen as a development disorder.

        If you look at histories of many of these children, these are the symptoms which arose early on.

        GD Star Rating
        loading...
        • Vax comment

          Ng,
          Just because something isn’t listed in the product statement from the pharma company doesn’t mean that it doesn’t occur. I never saw the product statement for Vioxx but I’m sure that that Merck didn’t say that a regular side effect was death.
          http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1721109,00.html

          GD Star Rating
          loading...
      • Vax comment

        Ng,
        The US Vaccine Injury Compensation Program has been compensating vaccine injured babies and infants for decades. A number of these have been for development delay – whilst not specifically ‘autism’, ailments like ASD and PDD-NOS and encephalitis leading to ASD-like symptoms.
        http://digitalcommons.pace.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1681&context=pelr

        GD Star Rating
        loading...
      • nic

        Actually the package inserts for quite a few state that. They also say DTaP can cause SIDS. ALL say they have not been evaluated for carcinogenous effects or effects on reproduction. This is in the PACKAGE INSERT from the MANUFACTURER. So, if you want grandkids, you may want to think twice

        GD Star Rating
        loading...
        • Jenna

          If you want to live long enough to have grandkids, don’t leave the country, live under a rock, and…is it colonic irrigation that they are now recommending for “cleansing the immune system”? Lost track.

          GD Star Rating
          loading...
      • effurvax

        ‘Adverse events reported during post-approval use of Tripedia vaccine include idiopathic thrombocytopenic purpura, SIDS, anaphylactic reaction, cellulitis, autism, convulsion/grand mal convulsion, encephalopathy, hypotonia, neuropathy, somnolence and apnea. Events were included in this list because of the seriousness or frequency of reporting.’

        ~Diphtheria Toxoids and Pertussis Vaccine Tripedia®
        from the package insert

        GD Star Rating
        loading...
        • Seahorse

          Your comment is extremely misleading. You conveniently forgot to add the next sentence which says there was no causal relationship. These are just adverse events “reported” from a huge population – they had to be included in the leaflet, but never had to be proved to have anything to do with the vaccine.

          GD Star Rating
          loading...
      • Faybian

        I can’t believe this debate is still going on…anywho.
        There is a very large,thick book produced regularly called the MIMS. It lists all the drugs/medication available in the country, well legally anyway. It goes in depth into each drug, chemical composition, action, side effect, adverse reactions, precautions, drug interactions, safety for pregnancy and sports (common, unusual and potential) etc. This information is on the package inserts. If people read up this information on even common antibiotics, they wouldnt want to take them. Whether anyone likes it or not, modern medicine is a juggling act and nothing is 100% safe. I think most people can accept this.

        GD Star Rating
        loading...
    • guest

      actually, in the US, autism is listed as a side effect of the DaPT shot.

      GD Star Rating
      loading...
      • Vax comment

        Actually – it’s not.
        http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/vis/downloads/vis-dtap.pdf

        Remember, the autism debate comes down to semantics of language. The vaccine information sheet (link above) says ‘Permanent brain damage’ and it does not say ‘autism’. The fact that some brain damage can lead to various ASD usually diagnosed as PDD-NOS might be similar to autism, but it is not autism.
        This point has been demonstrated in the US many times by their Vaccine Injury Compensation Program whereby they compensate for ASD, AEDM, PDD-NOS – but not autism. It is acknowledged that vaccines can, in some circumstances, cause autistic-related disorders, but not autism.
        Again, it is semantics of language. The layman would argue that if someone was left in an autistic-styled state, then that’s as good as autism… the medical fraternity, at this point in time, disagrees.

        GD Star Rating
        loading...
        • Larissa

          Actually. IT DOES. One can clearly see how uneducated you are by posting a little “information sheet” as your vaccine insert. Did you EVER even read an ACTUAL vaccine insert? Here, I’ll post one for you, and if you scroll down to side effects you will CLEARLY see AUTISM as a side effect, as well as SIDS and a whole lot of others. Educate yourself before posting lies.

          http://www.fda.gov/downloads/BiologicsBloodVaccines/Vaccines/ApprovedProducts/UCM101580.pdf

          And to make it easier for you, go to page 11.

          GD Star Rating
          loading...
          • Larissa

            BTW, this article is a bunch of BS.

            GD Star Rating
            loading...
          • lucindainthesky

            “Adverse events reported during post-approval use of Tripedia vaccine include idiopathic thrombocytopenic purpura, SIDS, anaphylactic reaction, cellulitis, autism, convulsion/grand mal convulsion, encephalopathy, hypotonia, neuropathy, somnolence and apnea. Events were included in this list because of the seriousness or frequency of reporting. Because these events are reported voluntarily from a population of uncertain size, it is not always possible to reliably estimate their frequencies or to establish a causal relationship to components of Tripedia vaccine.”

            This quite clearly states there is no established causal relationship between autism and vaccines. It says that those conditions are included on the list because that is what some people have voluntarily reported. You are just interpreting differently to suit yourself. But that is not what it says.

            GD Star Rating
            loading...
            • effurvax

              “Because these events are reported voluntarily from a population of uncertain size, it is not always possible to reliably estimate their frequencies or to establish a causal relationship to components of Tripedia vaccine.”

              -
              This means as long as we never accurately compile all the evidence then we will never have to admit that our product is destroying lives. same as tobacco science.

              GD Star Rating
              loading...
            • lucindainthesky

              No it means that no evidence has been found to suggest that there is a causal relationship between vaccines and SIDS or Autism Spectrum Disorders. Many studies have been conducted. Parents volunteered information is not adequate as medical evidence.

              GD Star Rating
              loading...
          • Vax comment

            Larissa,
            I’m really sorry about this, but you should read this stuff before posting. If you look at the top paragraph of page 11 (thanks for letting me know page number) you will see that the rate of SIDS was 0.4 and 0.8 per 1,000 births and the normal whole population SIDS rate is 1.5. In other words, SIDS after having the vaccine is lower than SIDS in normal population. The paragraph states, ‘By chance alone, some cases of SIDS can be expected to follow…’ meaning that SIDS can ‘naturally’ occur after recieving the vaccine, but that does not mean that the vaccine causes SIDS.
            There is a difference between correlation and causation. Even though we see correlation, it does not necessarily mean causation.
            I hope this helps.

            GD Star Rating
            loading...
            • Anonymous

              Actually, you’re the one who didn’t read it correctly. What “normal” population? They were talking about SIDS rate of German population and US population. If you notice, the Germans had a lot less SIDS cases then the US. They were also comparing SIDS rates from 1985-1991 where they were still using the DTP vax and after the 1991 when they came out with DtaP. Now, if you did some research you would know that DTP caused A LOT of reactions, like brain damage and deaths. So yes, when they compared the rate of 1980′s SIDS to the 1990′s, the numbers went down. They also state that “because of seriousness or frequency of reporting” they had to list SIDS as a side effect. Meaning that it happened so often that they HAD to add it as a side effect. How many times does a coincidence becomes a FACT? 10, 20, 100? How many babies die from SIDS? A lot more than that. If they actually do decide to be honest and admit that their vaccine causes SIDS, do you know how many lawsuits they would be looking at? Thousands. Not to mention that no one will ever get any one of their vaccines, ever. They just can’t afford to do that, can’t they?

              GD Star Rating
              loading...
  41. juliabond

    My son has Autism. He has had it since birth. It won’t kill him or anyone else.

    GD Star Rating
    loading...
    • clarinette

      The voice of reason :)

      GD Star Rating
      loading...
    • Becca Warner

      Good for you. Autism may be a more high-maintenance way of life for some childern but it in NO WAY devalues them. I personally think little ones with autism are a just a bit ahead of the rest of us on the evolutionary ladder and we are the ones we need time to catch up. My goodness, my cousin who has severe learning disabilities and ASD has some of the most amazing talents, besides just being a sweet little boy. One of his ‘gifts’ is he can hear any dial tone (like when you use dial-up on your computer) and he can tell you what number was dialed! If that isn’t amazing I don’t know what is. Good for you, Mama, for having some common sense about all this.

      GD Star Rating
      loading...
    • Jenna

      I always feel for parents of autism who get told my the anti-vax community that they “harmed” their child be giving them vaccinations. Autism isn’t any form of “harm” and children with autism don’t need to be “cured”. It is a condition, a state of being that we can medically describe to assist with living, but that doesn’t mean that it is some kind of “disease”. My brother was diagnosed on the autism spectrum disorder when he was a toddler, and he is an extremely bright boy with an incredible memory- he has a different skill set than myself or my other brother, but he is a talented individual that does not need to be “treated”, unless you are talking about treating him with respect, which I don’t think the anti-vax community has any intention of doing.

      GD Star Rating
      loading...
  42. Jane DJ

    Of course, the Amish do vaccinate,
    http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2007/04/autism-amongst-the-amish/
    and there are autistic Amish. In fact, Olmsted even missed a clinic in the heart of Amish country that treats autistic Amish children.
    http://photoninthedarkness.com/?p=69
    Unfortunately, facts didn’t stand in the way of a good myth, which has only grown in the five years since Olmsted first imagined it.

    Words to live by when you rely on finding evidence to fit your beliefs:
    “If you don’t look for contradictory data, you won’t find it. But your critics will.”

    GD Star Rating
    loading...
  43. joe

    although there are many interviews on the site i posted
    i recommend this one.
    divshare.com/download/15255137-2d0

    also note these news stories

    Lab creates killer virus by accident
    guardian.co.uk/science/2001/jan/11/genetics.uknews

    Dutch scientists have created a flu virus which is so deadly … Friday 25 November 2011
    dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2011/11/expert_unease_over_deadly_flu.php

    so you think my nazi statement was fear mongering?
    take a reality check please.

    GD Star Rating
    loading...
    • NoTinFoilHere

      The reality is that the avian flu virus is quite capable of naturally mutating into an airborne strain, and the researchers are trying to pre-empt this possibility, so as to develop ways to fight it.

      GD Star Rating
      loading...
  44. joe

    what they want people to believe that if they remove the mercury (after they had to admit it was in them) the vaccines are safe
    the mmr vaccine never had mercury in it to begin with
    the people who are promoting these vaccines are simply like the nazis
    remember them, they were actually real.

    GD Star Rating
    loading...
    • Andy

      No, no, no. The Illuminati, who are behind the Vaccine Mass Extermination Program, is a race of reptilian shape-shifters. The Nazis wanted to be like them.

      It’s important that you get these things around the right way – otherwise people will think you don’t know what you’re talking about.

      Sheesh!

      GD Star Rating
      loading...
    • Jenna

      The scientists who create these vaccines often had to use their own children as subjects way back in history, and the scientists who create these vaccines now are making them for their family members, their friends, and themselves, so that they can be protected. Do you think they just throw stuff in for fun?

      Comparing pharmaceutical companies (or anything else for that matter) is absolutely disrespectful to descendants of holocaust survivors. You should be ashamed for using the word so frivolously to stir up controversy.

      GD Star Rating
      loading...
    • Dave

      It’s well know internet folk law that once someone brings up the Nazi’s or Hitler the thread is dead. It’s the tactics of desperates that can not create strong arguments. Congratulations

      GD Star Rating
      loading...
      • Neenish

        Goodwins Law! Love your work Davo.

        GD Star Rating
        loading...
  45. joe

    notice, the article above is admiting most of the horrific truth while trying to diminish the health impacts.

    GD Star Rating
    loading...
    • Andy

      Yeah, I also noticed that the article is, err what? Hang on – you forgot to provide links to your facts -or should that be FACTS?

      I think your capslock is broken. You can’t advise people about the TRUTH without a fully-functioning capslock. Please get your keyboard repaired quickly so you can continue to help spread the WORD.

      GD Star Rating
      loading...
  46. joe

    Who do you believe?
    Money interested parties such as the sponsers of this article,
    or those who actually have more at stake than dollars?
    If you are able to stand the actual facts why not go here and download for free some interviews on the subject by people of actual integriity.
    http://ministryoftrutharchives.wordpress.com/page/13/

    GD Star Rating
    loading...
    • chrisw

      And who are the sponsers of this article Joe? Of course I should have known it, the big pharmaceutical companys of course! According to the Anti Vac lobby the big pharmas pay off:

      1. The thousands of GPs who ‘push’ the vaccinations onto innocent children
      2. The World Health Organisation
      3. The media
      4. The scientific researcher who finds no harm in the ingredients
      5. The Food and Drug Administration/safety watchdogs
      AND the author of this article, gosh it’s amazing the drug companies that peddle these poisons have any money left at all!!!

      GD Star Rating
      loading...
      • brightrfish

        Wow! I must be due a cheque from the big pharma companies any day now!

        Wait… still no cheque for me or any of my family members. I’ve been fully vaccinated for over 30 years. My mum must be really angry that she hasn’t received her pay-off yet!

        GD Star Rating
        loading...
    • asbompr

      poatink

      GD Star Rating
      loading...
  47. bernie

    thank you to you all for commenting on my questions.

    I am even more confused and unsure now. some arguements i cannot even follow – sorry Andy, I’m a softy when it comes to animals so I could not read yours.

    I am not asking a ethical question.

    i essntially have 2 questions: 1. I want to know why is it that immunised children are still spreading the diseases – if the job of vaccines is to mitigate the spead as well as improve your immune sysytem – I have taken this reasoning from all of your responses. I understand vaccines have a two way job.

    and 2. if point one above is the case, why are unimmunised children more of a danger to others than immunised children? I would have thought they were more at risk?

    GD Star Rating
    loading...
    • Jane DJ

      ” I want to know why is it that immunised children are still spreading the diseases”
      Because a small percentage of immunised children will not seroconvert (ie develop antibodies) and are therefore able to catch the disease, shed virus and be contagious. IF they live somewhere where there is a low rate of immunization, there will be lots of those unimmunised kids susceptible to catching AND SPREADING the disease, which answers your second question “why are unimmunised children more of a danger to others than immunised children” If they live where everyone immunises, if a child gets the disease, there is a buffer of immunised population around them and the virus has nowhere to go, and will eventually disappear from the population (hello smallpox and hopefully soon, polio).
      Those children who are immunised and don’t become immune, along with those with legitimate medical reasons to not be immunised, and those too young to be immunised should theoretically be the only ones vulnerable to disease, and need the protection of herd immunity. Unfortunately, when anti-vaccination mentality takes hold ( take note of the current measles outbreaks at the moment in notoriously anti-vax communities), the herd immunity breaks down – even at 80% vaccination rates. THis is a good diagram of the concept
      http://science-at-home.org/how-herd-immunity-works/

      and has no upsetting bunny connotations to worry delicate constitiutions.

      GD Star Rating
      loading...
    • bernie

      jane dj – thank you. crystal clear. very helpful.

      GD Star Rating
      loading...
      • Andy

        Glad someone was able to explain it without hurting any theoretical bunnies :)

        I will confess, I thought the use of bunnies might be an issue for some people that’s why I invented a “new species” that needed “special bullets”.

        I’ll have to think of a more animal-friendly analogy for future use.

        GD Star Rating
        loading...
    • Anonymous

      Children getting vaccinated are not being vaccinated to be “immune and protected” from the disease what the vaccines are made to do is help the body reconize and fight the disease off better if they should come in contact with it naturally, no vaccines protect you from not getting any of the diseases and the fact that its injected directly into their bloodstreams is even worse because its bypassing the bodies “filters” you can say as opposed to getting it naturally by breathing it in. its a set up for disaster and the toxins and carinogens listed ARE in vaccines, package inserts are everything!

      The reason unvaccinated kids are more of a risk at contracting such diseases is NOT because they are unvaccinated and automatically the cause of such diseases being spread, its because many of the vaccines contain live viruses and children SHED these viruses, but unvaccinated children are not neccessarily going to contract the disease, not to mention vaccines fail at their jobs all the time so a vaccinated kid could easily pick up say the chicken pox via another vaccinated kid shedding it. its certaintly not because an unvaccinated kid gave it to him, being unvaccinated does not automatically make them a carrier of any or all of these diseases!

      GD Star Rating
      loading...
      • Jane DJ

        Punctuation is your friend. Learn some, then someone might be bothered to decide that what you write comes from a base of intelligence. Otherwise, consider your ramblings ignored.

        GD Star Rating
        loading...
  48. SpettySpotoff

    finnish mark

    GD Star Rating
    loading...
  49. bernie

    wow. so many comments on this topic. I was hoping if somebody could clarify something for me?

    why do people think that it is the unimmunised kids that are a danger to the immunised kids?

    the examples given in these posts are kids/people who have been immunised and are still contracting or ctching the disease and then passing it on to both immunised and non-immunised kids.

    I’m just not sure why unimmunised kids are the target of this argurement. if the immunisation arguement is run properly then an immunised kid would have stronger immunity and an unimmunisaed kid would be at a highr risk – would they not?

    GD Star Rating
    loading...
    • Rick Morton

      Hi Bernie!

      The issue is that the immunisations just HELP you fight the diseases, but won’t always stop you getting them. So the more people that *don’t* immunise, the more chance it has of spreading in the community and the more chance we all have of coming into contact with it. Vaccinations are great, vaccinations when everyone has them are even better.

      GD Star Rating
      loading...
      • bernie

        thenks for your answe, but I am not sure how it applies to my question?

        I was immunised for everything as a child, and i caught everything, in some cases more than once.

        these diaseases are still in the community though. chicken pox, measles are still frequent visitors.

        i don’t see how immunisation contributes to stopping the “spread”? if their primary job is to HELP fight if you actually get it. But then I look at Polio, and appreciate the effect vaccines have had there, and I am a little baffled. I’d love to hear from the author of this article or another doctor who appreciates and understands both sides of the story?

        GD Star Rating
        loading...
        • Jane DJ

          Bernie, an immunization sensitises your immune system to recognise the disease, so if you are then subsequently exposed to the actual disease, the presence of ready-made antibodies will essentially neutralize the virus/bacterium and stop its replication cycle before you go through the disease process and therefore prevents you shedding the microbe, which is what would makes you contagious and spread the disease.

          GD Star Rating
          loading...
        • Andy

          I think of it this way…

          Let’s say your local authority wants to eradicate a new species of rabbit and that this requires both a recognisable picture of the rabbit and a working shotgun with special bullets for this species.

          The bullets can easily be made at home, but you have to identify the rabbit first and then it takes a while and the rabbits do a LOT of damage fast. The local authority has already done the hard work of identifying the species and producing plans for the special bullets which they make available to everyone.

          Now, almost everyone has a shotgun and MOST of them take up the offer of bullet plans and picture. They start making their bullets and keep an eye out for the rabbits. When they see one, they check it against the picture, and, once confirmed, they attempt to shoot the rabbit.

          Sometimes the gun jams and sometimes the shooter misses and in these cases the property will suffer some damage – until the owner manages to get control. But, most properly-equipped properties will suffer little, if any, noticeable damage at all.

          Meanwhile, those who refused the offer of assistance (and those who could not accept it for reasons beyond their control) are still trying to identify the rabbit and make special bullets. Their properties are being overrun, suffering significant damage, some beyond repair, and the rabbits continue to reproduce and spread from there.

          If enough property owners refused the assistance, the rabbits will never be brought under control.

          The AVN, meantime, are saying “What rabbits? There’s no rabbits here!”

          GD Star Rating
          loading...
        • Faybian

          Really? Including tetanus, diphtheria and polio? You must be a marvel of modern medicine.
          I think you’re an anti vaxxer posing as someone a little confused.

          GD Star Rating
          loading...
      • nic

        You may want to check the definition of immune. Sheeple.

        GD Star Rating
        loading...
    • sianmorton

      Bernie, unfortunately it is not quite as simple as that.

      It has never been claimed that vaccination is 100% effective in all people. However, if vaccination rates remain high the pool of people who can easily contract and spread a given disease remains small. Concerns arise when more and more people choose not to be vaccinated, particularly when they base their choices on extremely poor, if not dangerous, information. All the available credible scientific evidence finds that the benefits of vaccination outweigh any risks.

      Ultimately people need to find a balance between their rights as individuals and the impact of their choices on the community as a whole.

      The position of science on this issue is clear. Now it is over to you to sort out any conflicting ethical issues.

      GD Star Rating
      loading...
      • MumofOne

        I have a little question for you, Dr Dunlop and Mummamia seeing you seem to love writing about BABIES DYING (capitalised to improve the fear factor) and WHOOPING COUGH (insert scary music here)…

        Why do we have the highest vaccination rates – over 95% baby vaccination rates for whooping cough (and other) vaccines for over 11 years – yet the HIGHEST whooping cough rates ever?? Why is Australia is having one of the largest outbreaks EVER (even higher than in the 1960′s before the vaccine had decent parental buy-in) despite the fact that most of the ‘herd’ is vaccinated. Should be ‘up’ the herd immunity rates yet again??

        Have a look at the 2010 Californian whooping cough outbreak where 2 out of every 3 children fully vaccinated. Strange indeed. Yet no one mentions these interesting figures here…

        When the vaccine was first introduced in the 1940′s it had an uptake of around 9% for the single vaccine. Parents didn’t trust it and it caused ‘provocation polio’, (Google that one Mia!) so it was canned and rereleased as three doses (still no interest from their target market) so it was combined to create the DPT.
        But slowly that 1 shot turned to 3, turned to 4 shots and then to 5 whilst our contraction rates of whooping cough still goes up.

        Seems like it might be less effective than the often touted 80%…..or maybe not really at all?

        GD Star Rating
        loading...
        • Anonymous

          Pertussis has mutated BECAUSE of vaccines. Some areas in Cali had a 100% vaccination level and not one UNvaccinated kid got it. hmmmm The higher the vax rate the more people had it. Areas with lowe vax rates are not having the outbreaks. Go figure. Explain that one pro-vaxers. Explain why more vaccinated kids get sick than unvaccinated.

          GD Star Rating
          loading...
          • Jenna

            Okay, stating that vaccines cause mutation just shows that you don’t know the difference between a bacterium and a virus. Crash lesson: viruses are what I called “pirate zombies” when I describe them to kids. They are not “living” because they do not posses the capacity to reproduce. To be able to create more virus, they need to “highjack” a cell and use it for it’s own purposes. During this “highjacking” process, sometimes DNA gets mixed up in the packaging, which accounts for the high mutation rates of some viruses (think seasonal flu, for instance).

            If you get vaccinated, and your body has an appropriate response that allows you to form antibodies (most healthy individuals), then there is a significant decrease that the virus is going to have an opportunity to get into a cell in the first place. This results in a slowing of the mutation process, the more people that get vaccinated. One of the reasons why individuals who work on farms are recommended to get vaccinations, so they don’t pick up an animal virus that manages to combine with a “human” virus (think swine flu).

            Did that clear up some of you misinformation about mutation?

            GD Star Rating
            loading...
    • nic

      that would mean people would have to use logic. IF vaccines work, why are your children at risk? Why do you think an unvaccinated child will get your child sick? The child has to HAVE the illness first. SMDH

      GD Star Rating
      loading...

So, we have $1000 to give away... oh, would you be interested? Well step right this way.

To go in the draw to win, just LIKE us on Facebook, enter your email address and tell us in 25 words or less why you love reading Mamamia.

Close this popup



Full Terms & Conditions