Labelled by the World Health Organisation as the world’s greatest ‘preventable pandemic’, unsafe abortion kills one woman every eight minutes, 99 per cent of these deaths occurring in developing countries. Globally, pregnancy is the greatest killer of girls aged 15-19, and, for girls aged 12-25, unsafe abortion is among the greatest – and most easily preventable – causes of maternal death.
Amid a heated gay marriage debate and undying speculation over the Labor Party’s future, one serious political development has managed to largely fly beneath the media radar. That development is the formal announcement of ‘Labor for Life’: a group of Labor MPs, members and supporters who have mobilised to campaign against abortion, among other issues. This announcement should deeply concern Australians who care about human rights and saving lives.
Members of ‘Labor for Life’, along with ‘pro-life’ Coalition MPs, have been key opponents of efforts to achieve reproductive choice for women in both Australia and developing countries. As one example, MPs in both major parties have supported a ban on using Australian aid funding for a range of sexual and reproductive health services, including safe and legal abortion. In place from 1996-2009, the recent lifting of these restrictions has been a continued rallying call for anti-abortion campaigners from both major parties.
Anti-abortion campaigning prevents access to safe, legal abortion, which only increases the prevalence of unsafe, and deadly, abortion. Abortion is among the safest medical procedures in the world when conducted by trained professionals. But when skilled care is unavailable, as in many developing countries, abortion endangers women’s lives.
These girls and young women die when, because of a mixture of legal restrictions, resource shortages and gender discrimination, they are forced to seek out untrained practitioners. Common methods include swallowing bleach or toxic levels of anti-malarial drugs or inserting sharp objects, such as sticks or wire, into the uterus to induce bleeding, often resulting in fatal infections. Women sometimes also risk serious physical injury. In a case currently before the UN’s Committee On The Elimination Of Discrimination Against Women, ‘L.C’, a 13 year old Peruvian girl, was raped by an older man. Pregnant and denied access to abortion, L.C jumped from a rooftop. She is now a quadriplegic.
Despite the enormous risk involved in seeking an unsafe abortion, for some young girls it is the safest in a limited range of choices. In some developing countries, a girl has a higher chance of dying in childbirth than she does of attending school. Often forcibly impregnated as the result of sexual violence, young girls without access to safe medical care have up to a one in five chance of dying if they are forced to continue the pregnancy. A pregnancy often also guarantees an end to their schooling and consequently to even the most basic aspirations they may have for their lives. Their chances of ending up permanently disabled, for example by suffering from obstetric fistula, and the extreme stigma and rejection that follows, are high – as are the chances that they will deliver stillborn or extremely premature infants.
Who are we, privileged Australians whose own reproductive choice is protected, to judge the complex and unavoidable decisions that young girls and women across the world have to make? Have the ironically named ‘Labor for Life’ members really considered the human cost of opposing funding for safe and legal abortion in impoverished countries? Unsafe abortion kills almost 70,000 women and girls every year. Millions more are permanently injured. Their lives would be saved, and the number of abortions would dramatically plummet, if contraception was made widely available and restrictive laws were removed.
Women access abortion for diverse, complex reasons. To do so is their human right, affirmed by multiple UN Committees including those who interpret Human Rights, the Rights of the Child, Economic, Social and Cultural Rights and the Convention Against Torture.
People are entitled to their private views about when life begins, but forcing those views onto others, and denying recognised human rights in the process, demonstrates a serious lack of empathy for the difficult choices that women face. It is also naïve: regardless of legal restrictions, when women find themselves confronted with the extreme stress of an unwanted pregnancy they may seek whatever means possible to end it. For Alice, a 17 year old who I knew while working at a refugee camp in Kenya, death was a less frightening prospect than bearing the child of the man who killed her father and raped her. Let those who would seek to end Australia’s support for safe abortion cast their first stone at her.
Removing choice from teenage girls like Alice does not reduce abortions. The number of abortions performed in countries where abortion is illegal is actually higher than the number in countries where it is legal.
The reality is that anti-abortion campaigning does not save lives. What it does do is promote unsafe abortion. What it means is that desperate girls and women will continue to die, needlessly, every year. And after they die many of their orphaned children do too.
Australia has finally joined global efforts to make abortions rare, legal and safe.
Now that is a pro-life cause.
Melanie Poole is the Parliamentary Advocacy Coordinator at CARE Australia. The views expressed are her own.
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Firstly, I wish those like Beck and Sonja would stop posting propaganda rubbish and lies from the anti-choice lobby and those Christian sites that do nothing but skew facts and spew lies. Expecially sites that manipulate images to show a 20 week old foetus as a 9 week old foetus. Those sites do nothing but prey on the gullible and easily misled.
Secondly, I think any woman who is anti-choice is a traitor to women. Lastly, what about if a woman is raped? Should she be forced to carry that product of rape, that bad seed, for 9 months? And before you say that dreaded word ‘adoption’, there are far too many people/babies on this earth waiting to be adopted and not enough people to adopt them. Its a horrible system of institutions and foster homes and these kids really are better off not being born, not to mention the pain of being ‘given up’ to the child, and the adoptive parents worrying about the child wanting to find their birth mother. Adoption is not an option, it causes far more problems than it solves. What if, as has happened, a 10 or 11 year old girl was raped? Do you expect her tiny child body to endure childbirth? What if the mother’s life is at risk, and its either termine the foetus or LOSE BOTH?
What if….. See, life is *not black and white*, and you learn that as you grow older. There are *always* exceptions to the rule and because of that, abortion will always, *always* exist and be a necessity occasionally. Mature adults realise that life is not black and white, thus there can be no such thing as anti-abortion regardless of circumstances. I sometimes wonder what the naive people who are against choice would do if they were raped. I doubt they’d be singing the same tune. Abortion will always need to exist so arguing against it is pointless. It will never go away and luckily today’s generation are more informed and more aware and anti-choice will soon be relegated to the past along with women not being able to vote, racial segregation and other attrocities against women that restrict choice and women’s human rights. Anti-choicers are a shrinking relic of a bygone era that in this era of enlightenment and human rights, will soon cease to exist.
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An interesting title for this article, ‘Unsafe abortion kills 8 women every minute’. How many babies does ‘safe’ abortion kill every minute. By the way I don’t believe there is such a thing as a safe abortion, it’s much better for mother and baby to deliver a live healthy baby.
The reasons women choose abortion these days seem to be pretty selfish. Let me ask this: When is it OK to kill a baby: ‘don’t want another child’, ‘interfere with career’, ‘don’t want to budget for another child’, ‘I won’t be happy if I have this child’.
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I had an abortion when I was 31. I had 2 children and I didn’t not want a 3rd and neither did my husband. I was devestated to find out and knew for me there was only 1 option. My choice came first as I had 2 LIVING children and a marriage that I had to put first.
I couldn’t handle another child – mentally, financially, profesionally. Sure babies are cute, but I didn’t have a baby in me. It was a fetus – no feelings, no emotions, no knowledge.
I did was was best for me and yes, I put me and the future of my existing family ahead of a fetus. I was fortunate to be able to access the required professional services without question or intimiation. This needs to be available to women who WANT and NEED this option.
I had suffered 3 miscarriages between having my children so I knew what true loss felt like for babies that I had wanted.
To the “pro-choicers” out there, the results of what happens in my bedroom, is none of your business.
If you don’t want an abortion, don’t have one but let every woman decide as an individual.
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I’m sorry for you Michelle, that you had the sorrow of loosing three of your children through miscarriage. I have also lost three babies through miscarriage.
But how can it be that when you wanted the baby it was a baby and when you didn’t want the baby it was a ‘fetus’? You know the word fetus is merely the latin word for baby, ‘little one’. Don’t kid yourself, you aborted your child, not a blob of tissue. There is help for you out there Michelle, if you need someone to talk to about your loss.
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Isn’t that the crux of the issue though? When you define the zygote as becoming a baby? And everyone’s definition of that is different depending on their own, unique circumstances. There’s a legal definition and legal ways to not continue with the pregnancy if that’s what you believe and need to do. If you view it differently, view it differently for yourself and don’t ram it down other people’s throats.
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Thanks for your comment Kris. Yes there are many and varied definitions of ‘when’ a baby becomes a baby but they can’t all be right. How does a persons circumstances determine a baby’s development in the womb? Science has clearly shown us how we develop in the womb and we cannot change that depending on whether we want the child or not.
Just because abortion is legal that doesn’t make it right. Under Islamic law it is legal for Muslim men to beat their wives and rape them. Does that make it right?
You say “If you view it differently, view it differently for yourself and don’t ram it down other people’s throats.” Are you not trying to ‘ram’ your views down my ‘throat’?
One more thought Kris, you and I were once a ‘zygote’s’ too
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Well no, I’m pro-choice. That means if you feel that life begins at conception and abortion is wrong, you’re free to exercise your right to continue with the pregnancy if you want. But it also means that if you can’t handle going through the pregnancy, for whatever reason, you can abort it. How is allowing for all comers and their beliefs ramming my beliefs down others’ throats?
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It’s like this Kris; If you say that you’re free to believe what ever you want to believe and I’m free to believe whatever I believe then by your own view you must be tolerant of all views. My view is that it is wrong to take a persons life beginning at the point of conception through to natural death. To be consistent you must tolerate my opinion that you are wrong about abortion being an acceptable practice and that I am right about abortion being unacceptable under any circumstances. If you don’t tolerate my view then you are in effect forcing your opinion on me.
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Explain how being pro-choice is not tolerating your view though? The whole idea of being pro-choice is that you can follow your beliefs, in this case, if you found yourself pregnant, you’d go through with it, no question, and either keep the eventual baby or adopt it out. Great! Go nuts.
But it also gives people the choice of not going ahead with the pregnancy.
How is that forcing an opinion on anyone?
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I am astounded that the majority of women within this discussion are anti-abortion. History has shown us that at one stage women weren’t even allowed a choice regarding their bodies or even a voice for that matter and now that we’ve finally earned that privilege of being equal there are women out there wanting to ban a choice that we were once fighting to have?
I believe everyone is entitled to their own opinion. However, I think it’s unacceptable and disgusting that some of the women throughout this discussion have gone as far as announcing “Abortion doesn’t make a girl unpregnant, it makes her the mother of a dead baby”. Who do you think you are? You may have every right to disagree with your opinion on abortion but you do not have any right to give a woman who has experienced abortion the frame of mind that she is a mother or a murderer for that matter. A woman who is to choose abortion is a POTENTIAL mother and there is a reason as to why she decided to cease that potentiality.
Next time you all turn your noses up at a pregnant woman smoking or when you read of a child being abused or abandoned maybe you should ask yourselves if you think it’s really going to benefit society if government make abortion illegal. These situations would only increase.
And to those woman who like to celebrate the word “slut” in regards to young girls falling pregnant, perhaps you should question the education or parenting those young girls are receiving. When I was studying through High School not one single student from year 8 to 12 received any form of sex education. Do you know why? Because religious groups refuse for sex education to be taught within our schools.They’ve also banned youth workers to hand out contraception to those students to afraid to consult with a health profession or their parents. I don’t care if people think it’s inappropriate for a Youth Worker to hand a student a condom, it’s a much better option when compared to unwanted pregnancy and could ultimately avoid abortion altogether. We basically have a system implemented in our High schools where TEENAGERS (most cases of unwanted pregnancies) aren’t given a sex education. And you all wonder why abortion is so common?
Perhaps we should focus on education and awareness rather than trying to make abortion illegal. Because if we be realisitc, whether abortion is legal or not it’s still going to be practiced. It’ll be a black-market procedure and there is nothing we can do about it. So why not control the measure of abortion rather than oppose it?
Whether a woman is ready or not she should have the choice and she shouldn’t be made to feel guilty about it.
And for those men out there who like to complain about abortion… You’re allowed to voice your opinion when you have a uterus.
And Sonja, I value that everyone has an opinion but you sound like a very uneducated person. Really? You need to post cartoons to get your point across? Shame on you for trying to belittle woman who have had the courage to be pro choice. If abortion was actual murder, it wouldn’t be legalised in the first place.
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Pro Choice I don’t know where you went to school but we had the “how to not get pregnant” talk every year of high school. Not about relationship, readiness for sex, or anything like that just, here twelve different ways to not get pregnant, or if you do there’s always abortion.
Teens don’t need more information on contraception they need more information on being responsible and waiting until they are ready to deal with the emotional, physical, social and financial consequences of being sexually active.
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“Courage to be pro choice”? Seriously? Try being pro life sometime!!
As for the cartoon, I think it depicts the pressures on women to abort quite well. You might be interested in unchoice.com, where U.S statistics are given on coercion…
I am no academic, yet I have accessed enough studies that show that abortion hurts women.
“Potential mothers”?!! Anyone who has a miscarriage, stillbirth or a live healthy baby do not consider themselves to be “potential mothers”, which is why we are so emotionally invested – why would abortion be any different? So before you think you have the right to chastise me, please know that yes, the number of pro life feminists is growing in Australia. There is a movement within our younger generation and the tide is changing…
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I smell a troll, time for you to go back under your bridge.
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So anyone who disagrees with you is a troll … Despite the fact I stand by what I say and use my real name. Hmmm…
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Not at all. I’m responding to all those pics posted by Sonja. Still smells like a troll to me.
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Your name is “Anonymous”??
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Not sure why it came up as “anonymous” – it was from me…Sonja Couroupis, who is being called a “troll”…
Hoping now my pic doesnt come up on its side lol.
And who are you “Red Queen”??
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I am a survivor of sexual assault and I’m pro choice. Sorry but I don’t post pics of myself online, my abuser is still out there.
And I still stand by what I said in my earlier posts.
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HI Sonja
I have been following what you have written over the last few days.I am very impressed with the sources you quote and your dedication to trying to get women to realise that abortion is not a positive thing!You are not “free”cuz you can kill your own babies!
More power to you and keep it coming!
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Thanks HH
It is just so evident (even for someone as “uneducated” as me) that women and families are being so ripped off by abortion (it really isn’t ‘rocket science’). The rhetoric surrounding abortion is unbelieveable. “Choice” is the marketing tool of a lucrative abortion industry – the majority of women who have abortions say they dont feel they have a “choice”.
The science is all on the side of pro life, as is current research on the devastating impacts of abortion.
True feminism is about empowering women to embrace motherhood (even unplanned) and knowing where and how to access support to allow us to do just this.
Thanks for the encouragement HH
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HI Sonja
Good on you for posting a pix of your beautiful self!
I agree with you about the deceptive way that abortion is marketed to not just women but also their respective partners.
You won’t get much support for your pro life stance on this site sadly,but it is usually this type of reader that really ,really needs to hear your message.People so desperately want to make our choices all relative.”I think it’s right but you don’t think it’s right but it’s all about what I think is right so there is no right or wrong just my right!”lol!
I have repeatedly spoke up for the rights of the unborn on this site when this type of article comes up.The hate from the readers is stunning!
I applaud what you write and the way that you choose life over death!Having kids(I have 2 )is a big sacrifice and you have to die to yourself(a very unpopular idea in this society)and your own wants for the better of the child.Vey worth it in the end.I am religious and I see the crucifixion of Our Lord (how he gave himself up for the world and all people)as an example for me to die to myself for something better,my kids and also my husband.
Sounds a bit dramatic I know but Christ paid the ultimate price with his life for us.
Take care
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And slavery was legal too …didn’t make it right!
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“now that we’ve finally earned that privilege of being equal ” – Killing our babies does not make us equal!!
Love this from Feminists for Life (U.S)!
“Elizabeth Cady Stanton is perhaps the best example of the in-your-face, you-will-accept-women-on-our-terms-and-we-are-not-accepting-less suffrage leaders. Stanton, the first champion of women’s suffrage and a mother of seven, said, “When you consider that women have been treated as property, it is degrading to women that we should treat our children as property to be disposed of as we see fit.”
The early American feminists did not work to replace a patriarchy with a matriarchy. Women have a right to be women in the workplace and in school. Women shouldn’t have to pass as men.
When women think they have to lay their bodies down or swallow a bitter pill for an abortion in order to compete in the workplace or make their way in the world—that is not feminism.
Finally, once a woman is pregnant, she is forever changed, no matter what the outcome—marital, partnered or single parenthood, adoption, abortion, miscarriage or stillbirth.
At Feminists for Life, we refuse to choose between women and children. We refuse to choose between our education and career plans and our families.
As pro-life feminists, our values are woman-centered and inclusive of both parents and children. And like the early American feminists, we are not accepting less.
We say “no” to the status quo. Let’s aim for the best by advocating resources and support for women, and protecting both mothers and children from violence. Women deserve better.’
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How about you get a real job rather than sit on here all day and try and force your opinion on everyone.
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Do you not see what an amazing women Elizabeth Cady Stanton is??Don’t comment if you are going to degrade this admirable women ,please.You only bring yourself down in the end and show your lack of intelligence!
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Abortion may have begun as a way to free women from the bonds of their biology… as a way to allow women both more freedom and more ‘choice’. However we now have a situation where women are less free than ever before.
They are no longer free to choose motherhood, unencumbered by the many pressures to NOT be mothers.
Some are no longer free to choose to stay at school AND have their child.
Some are forced, physically into abortion clinics against their will by parents, partners, pimps.
Many are coerced by a lack of information about the possible after effects of abortion, about the development of their unborn, about the ways in which motherhood can enrich their lives not rob them of it.
Women are now slaves to abortion, a surgical solution to the social problems that still exist for them. That is not choice in most rational people’s thinking.
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Dear Pro Choice,
I have commented before and feel the need to comment again about the issues of attacking the integrity and education of other people who comment – in this case Sonja.
Please let us all stick to the issues at hand without attacking each others person hood no matter what their views are. There needs to be respectful debate and comment.
Also, many seem to immediately connect pro life with religious pressures and agenda. This is simply not the case and again the issue between pro life and pro choice needs to be discussed as is without attacking a persons beliefs or otherwise. It seems that Sonja has had to make more than one choice with two unplanned pregnancies and she has not brought religion into her decision making or arguments in what I’ve read thus far.
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Ah yes…sex education. Interesting that the greatest supporters of abortion are also the greatest promoters of sex education.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYaTywSDmls
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I fell pregnant at the young age of 18. I was in a loving relationship, had finished my HSC and was living with my boyfriend at the time. When we saw the positive tests, it was such a shock! We had so many plans- travel, buying a house, just being young and in love! How was a baby going to fit in with this? We chose to keep our little jelly bean and he is now our adorable, thriving 7yr old. I couldnt imagine our lives without him. And we still manged to travel and buy a house!
A few months ago we began trying to concieve and fell pregnant with our newest jelly bean. It took a while for us to fall pregnant and I kept thinking “How could anyone just get rid of one of these?” I wanted it sooo bad. Finally I fell and then had a threatened miscarriage. It is so scary and I dont know how people go through it because even at 6 or 7 weeks, you have already grown attached.
I went for a very early ultrasound and I saw its little heart beating and thank god every day that I have been given this blessing.
Everything happens for a reason. I dont believe we should be able to play god and take away a life. I dont care what anyone says but even as an embryo, its a living thing.
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Agree Pinkgirl..my unplanned pregnancy is now 15, a rep basketball and netball player, B grade student (could be A with any effort at all) and is the love of our lives. We were also unmarried and had plans for other things…which we have still done, just later and with her.
When i went to confirm my pregnancy at 25, the first thing my doctor said was “do you want to continue your pregnancy or terminate?”… I was shocked – I was a school teacher, financially independent and perfectly capable of successfully raising a child! Conversations with friends have also revealed they have experienced the same thing….how about a “congratulations” or any positive response at all…??
Since then, we have had four more kids (my fifth another unplanned pregnancy and a shock) and 6 years younger than the next child up (I had returned to study).
Although we have had our stresses (is there ever really any “ideal” time to have a baby?!!), we wouldnt change a thing!
Check out this series of beautiful ads which show that unplanned or challenging pregnancies are not the end of the world! http://notbornyet.com/
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What a fantastic comment you wrote Pink Girl…Thanks so much for telling people how great babies are even when unplanned…Babies are little treasures and if people were taught to be positive about pregnancy at any time, then young girls would be excited and happy looking forward to their beautiful, new little family member, rather than be thinking of only the negatives and being told by everyone often to abort abort abort….When abortion is death…Babies are life…
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Congratulations Pinkgirl; you have done well. Bless you.
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Making abortion legal doesn’t mean that every person who gets pregnant will want to have one. It just means that those people who would choose to have an abortion because of their situation can do so in a safe way.
We should be protecting the lives and sanity of the women who are already born, not the other way around.
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abortion is legalised murder. end of story
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Just because u think something is true doesnt actually make it a fact. end of story!
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So casey what do you say to rape victims who want to abort a fetus that was forced on them? I’m interested to hear your opinion on this subject.
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Perhaps you might ask 7x world surfing champion and sweetheart, Layne Beachley….who was conceived in rape. Or my friend, Rebecca Kiessling, solicitor, mother of five and pro life activist – she is greatly offended that society considered her life to be of absolutely no value!
Some women describe abortion as “the second rape” and as being worse that the rape.
Do you understand that by pushing this phrase, you are adding coercion to women who have been raped? It should not be an assumption or expectation that a rape victim has a duty to abort her baby.
As for the argument “the child would only remind her of the rape”….do you really think that she will ever forget it??!!
http://www.feministsforlife.org/FFL_topics/victory/2ndrape.htm
* Rape is the considered the ‘ trump card’ to justify all abortions, and while it doesn’t, please consider that rape accounts for around 2% of all rapes.
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well said, unless you have been a rape survivor, I dont think you can assume that abortion should be allowed for everyone. atm it seems like the new cosmetic trend
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Sorry…tired. Thats should have said: “Rape is considered to be the ‘ trump card’ to justify all abortions, (and while I do not agree with abortion for any reason), please consider that rape accounts for around 2% of all abortions.
Sorry about the other wording errors.
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I am a survivor of sexual assault and believe me if I had become pregnant because of that I would have done whatever it took to terminate it. do you honestly think that having a rapists child would have benefits? Maybe for you, definitely not for me.
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Mamamia indeed. Yes it is very sad the plight of people in third world countries. The root of the issues here is the subjugation of these countries by the wealthiest people in this world and the organisations that control wealth, trade and debt. Millions starve to death. Millions are caught up in wars and millions flee their homes as refugees.
Yes this is very sad, but to say this particular issue is the biggest preventable pandemic is a flat out denial of the 42 million plus abortions around the world each year. And what you want more? Realise that to say abortion should be legal safe and rare is a flat out lie. There is nothing safe about it for the child being killed and the numbers show there is nothing rare about it either. As a feminist writer have a think about all the females being killed around the world in their mother’s womb, potentially 21 million each year. How’s that for protecting women. As a society if we are wanting to protect human rights then let us all start with the most vulnerable. If you think it’s ok to kill those who have no voice or no suppossed moral value, look out you we may all find ourselves in that category one day. To paraphrase the article in the link below, The culture if death, which abortion is, has an insatiable appetite.
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/something-deadly-this-way-comes-the-insatiable-appetite-of-the-culture-of-d
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It’s interesting to read the comments advocating for political and social changes in the countries where women are denied access to safe abortion. Obviously this is the ideal approach, but in the meantime, women are horrendously injured and dying from unsafe abortion practices.
If you came across someone who had been shot, would you try and stop the bleeding or run off and look for the shooter?
Many many women abort their pregnancies. It’s going on despite you, despite unsafe practices, despite their own wishes and desires for their lives. For many, abortion is the only option.
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I’d suggest everyone read UnPlanned by Abby Johnston http://www.abbyjohnson.org ..
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And what do you women who champion the trophy of women’s reproductive rights (abortion) have to say about this mass slaughter of girls? Where is the feminist outcry? The silence is deafening!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISme5-9orR0
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Here it is.
http://www.mamamia.com.au/parenting/its-a-girl-three-deadliest-words-in-the-world-as-200m-girls-missing/
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Definitely a weighty example of how making abortion ‘legal’ or ‘available’ in certain contexts is an inappropriate solution to the problem of unsafe abortion. We need only look to China to see that making abortion easily available before issues of gender equality have been addressed, can have serious and devastating social consequences.
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One measly article… to protest the killing of 200,000,000 girls!! (U.N estimation). That is the best “progressive” (not!) feminists can do??!!
Again…the silence is deafening!
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Would you like me to link you to the thousands of articles about this issue?
I linked to this particular article because it is a Mamamia article. It shows that readers of this site are aware of what is happening.
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…so how do these “feminists” marry “reproductive rights (abortion) with protecting the millions and millions of baby girls being aborted? They can’t!! Which is why the likes of EMILY’s List, Leslie Cannold and their supporters are so deafeningly silent!
“Pro life feminism” is the only way to be consistent – advocating for the rights of both women and their babies.
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Unsafe abortion kills two humans every 8 minutes. Why focus on only one of the two? Both should be given their right to life and right to a better life and be allowed to have their basic human needs met. The Australian government should be giving aid that focuses on providing the basic needs of the women (and men) in impoverished and war-torn countries. It should focus on improving and changing the factors and conditions that influence the poor life outcomes for these women. It seems the women mentioned in the article are having their basic rights violated: being raped, molested, abused and forced into desperate situations. Just focusing on abortion, when they are already stopped from having basic choices in their lives, seems to simply allow their abusers to send them off to get ‘fixed’ and then take them back to continue the abuse. Can we please try to fix the underlying problems? They need access to sustainable sources of food, water and healthcare and systems of government that protect their basic rights and help more of them to have hope for their children.
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The UN report referred to here has a great number of methodological flaws: how do you get accurate numbers of something that is illegal, for example. Also, countries with liberal abortion laws tend to be relatively anti-children in culture & laws overall, so there are fewer pregnancies in the 1st place. It’s not really reliable. As a generalisation, things happen less often if they are illegal.
The Fb page of this group, which can be found here: https://www.facebook.com/#!/LaborforLife , doesn’t bare out the hyperbole of this article. However, Melanie’s article does suggest that this movement is growing fast enough for her to worry about.
There is also little evidence that the methods described by Melanie when abortion is “restricted” (not all that common) are widespread in these places, nor that, to the extent that they occur, that they are less common in “less restrictive” countries. It is more reasonable to surmise that abortion will be rarest when it is illegal, AND when mothers & babies are fully supported and loved by a society.
What is certainly true is that in societies where abortion is “unrestricted”, women who have abortions are left unsupported, often physically injured & even permanently sterile, and almost always profoundly traumatised. In Adelaide, one abortion clinic has been found to be routinely transmitting hepatitis B to patients and is the subject of a current legal case. This is sadly typical.
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“Routinely transmitting hep B”? Please can you provide something to back up this extraordinary claim?
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I only know of this case.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/video/2011/05/27/3229349.htm?site=melbourne
Doesn’t mean abortion should be illegal. One wacko’s actions do not speak for all clinics and practitioners. Pro-choice y’all.
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Thanks for the link, Mary. How very sad for those women and their loved ones.
Is that the case you were referring to Brendan? The transmission of Hep C to those Melbourne patients?
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People need to remember that women seeking abortions really have considered that there is a person growing inside them. A future person, with needs, wants – one who will, if born, always be in the world, always be on these women’s minds, always be “their baby”, whether it’s the baby they gave up or the one they kept, whether they are given up willingly or (as we’ve seen in the news recently) unwillingly, whether they are kept begrudgingly or with a burst of love that surprises the new mother. Women who find themselves pregnant and do not want to be think all kinds of things.
“I’d love to have a baby but I can’t feed another mouth.”
“If I have a baby, I can say goodbye to ever having a job, or learning to read, or leaving this horrible place.”
“The doctor said I won’t survive my next pregnancy.”
“I’m 12.”
“I’ll never be able to look in this child’s eyes without seeing the eyes of my rapist.”
“Three of my friends who have had babies now are incontinent and nobody in our village will go near them and they cry all the time. Four more of my friend who have been pregnant died from it. I know six more women who had babies, and those babies are all dead now. Some starved because their mothers died. Some died because their mothers starved.”
“It might be OK, but it might not, and I’m not willing to take the risk.”
All of these take into account the fact that motherhood is an enormous responsibility, and few women make this decision lightly. When it comes to more privileged women whose lives are not in immediate physical danger from pregnancy but do not want to have a child for whatever reason, surely we should respect women who choose to leave the great responsibility of motherhood to those who are ready and willing; and when it comes to the women who will THROW THEMSELVES OFF BUILDINGS because it is a better option than pregnancy, childbirth and then motherhood – who are you to tell them they are wrong? Will you support them? Will you protect them from crippling social stigma, stonings, fistulas, depression, the sheer terror of not having a qualified doctor within a day’s drive? How can you say they are wrong to not want to be pregnant, when you want to force them to be?
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I believe every woman should have access to safe, legal abortions. While arguments can be made regarding when life begins, at the end of the day the fetus is inside the women’s body, therefore I believe each individual should have the right to choose what happens to their body as with any medical procedure.
While I would never choose abortion for myself (except in the case of rape), I’m a 20 something professional in a committed, loving relationship, financially stable with family support. My heart breaks for those women who find themselves in unfortunate circumstances with limited and unsafe options. Our government should offer support via aid etc, not only providing abortion options but with prevention and education.
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I agree that for many women who “choose” abortion, it is a difficult and traumatic decision because of the situations they are in…so why do not care more for these women in our societies, in Africa etc? Why do we not address those forces that drive them to abort? Abortion is a reflection that the needs of women are not being met.
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That’s a terribly patronising cartoon, as is the view that women can’t really “choose” abortion.
And yes, it would be much better if women didn’t get pregnant unless they actively wanted to. I would love that. All women would love that. Unfortunately, that’s not how our biology works, and it’s not how the world works – there’s faulty birth control, rape, and everything in between, and not every anti-choicer is as understanding as you are. We need to drastically improve sex education and women’s social power and respect for women, so that if they do find themselves pregnant, abortion is just one of many completely viable choices rather than the only way out.
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I notice everyone who supports abortion has already been born.. Ronald Reagon.
If most of the people here had their way you wouldn’t be able to voice your pro abortion views. Dead people can’t talk..
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Zygotes also can’t have opinions. And if they could, I bet they wouldn’t be thinking, “Look, I know I’ll ruin your life and possibly cause your death, but I’m so cute and innocent with my gills and awesome floating skills! Can’t you just give up your health, social position and possibly your life so I can have a shot at having those things – and then, if I turn out to be a girl, maybe even get stuck with the same shitty choice you have in front of you now?”
Nobody is PRO abortion. Did you not read the article? Why does the existence of a clump of cells with admittedly incredible potential, trump the interests of a living, breathing woman with a life? You wouldn’t force someone to be an organ donor – why try and force them to give up their bodies for a child they don’t want?
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…and how about abortions up until birth? Babies being born alive after “failed” abortions and left to die?!! Babies dismembered – Babies have a heartbeat by the time women even find out they are pregnant. All stages of life are precious. Zygote is just one of the stages
Science!!
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Babies, babies, babies. Won’t somebody please think of the women?
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Oh yeah…sorry! lol
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As a former zygote , embryo , foetus,new born ….etc and woman I oppose abortion!
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Well said Sonja!You won’t get much support on your beliefs here cuz so many people refuse to actually think through the issue properly.They are all obsessed with the mantra,”it’s my body,it’s my body,it’s my body”.Selfish and a little bit thick too.Keep putting your beliefs out though,it really irritates all these pro-choice people!
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Hey Caitlin, what did your mother give up so you could live. I think your statement is terribly selfish.
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Pro-choice all the way. If abortions were illegal here, then there would be more incidents of injury and possibly death due to unsafe and ‘do-it-yourself’ abortions. I think it’s really important the option of abortion be available to those who need it, in a safe, clean and professional environment so they women are well cared for.
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In all states of Australia, with the exception of the ACT and Victoria, abortion is still illegal!
There were no “droves of women” who died from backyard abortions in Australia. In 1969 when the Menhennit Ruling was passed, according to the Australian Bureau of Statistics, one woman in all of Australia died from a “backyard abortion”. The backyard abortionist simply moved onto the main street …and women still die from abortion today – in fact one lady died just before Christmas, another almost died a few weeks earlier. While sad, this argument is no justification for the 90,000 babies aborted in Australia each year now. Furthermore, no one talks about what situations drove these women to resort to self abortions – let’s start to address the crises women continue face today – not kill their babies.
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Abortion is only legal in the A.C.T and Victoria. It IS illegal in most states of Australia…Fact.
While sad, there were no “droves of women” dying from backyard abortions – In 1969, when the Menhennit Ruling was passed,one woman in all of Australia died from a backyard abortion (Aus Bureau of Stats). Hardly justification for the 90,000 abortions a year we have now.
Again…we need to consider the “desperate times” that drove these women to such “desperate measures” – we still haven’t learned to address the pressures faced by women, but rather look to abortion to solve it. Abortion hurts women!
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And being forced by other people’s moral objection to a medical procedure to go through pregnancy and childbirth DOESN’T hurt women?
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…”Moral”, scientific, and pro woman objection! Germaine Greer said that “Abortion is the last non choice in a long list of non choices”… It is a lack of “choice” that “forces” women – 95% of Australian women want options other than abortion.
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Pregnancy shouldn’t be irreversible.
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Abortion doesnt make a girl unpregnant, it makes her the mother of a dead baby! Thus, the devastating impacts published in the British Journal of Psych (Aug 2011). http://www.wecare.com
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They’re not babies yet. They are potential babies. They are zygotes, embryos, without thought, feeling or awareness. And yes, some women would rather deal with being the “mother of a dead baby”, as you so obtusely put it, than the mother of an unwanted one.
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It is a person, with a complete pack of DNA that only needs time and nourishment to be born 9 months later …beautiful! <3
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“Australia has finally joined global efforts to make abortions rare, legal and safe”…really? Except that before Christmas a woman died in Melbourne from an abortion and another almost died (courtesy of the Croydon Marie Stopes clinic), there has been a 600% increase in late term abortions at the Royal Womens and some 50 women were infected with Hep C – not to mention the 90,000 babies who die annually. Then there were the 400 women admitted to hospital after failed RU486 abortions in S.A in 2010.
Abortion is never “safe” – and your article to support international abortion does nothing to make it “rare”.
Furthermore, statistics show that maternal mortality rates are actually HIGHER in countries where abortion is legal.
Given the atrocities that have happened at Planned Parenthood clinics in the U.S (where there is at least some regulatory systems in place)…imagine what would be happening in those countries where the International Planned Parenthood Federation have their “hooks” in and there is no regulation – Planned Parenthood USA is losing funding at a rapid rate, yet our Australian taxes funding their International federation have increased enormously.
Research recently published in the British Journal of Psychiatry (Aug 2011 – which involved some 900,000 women, including Australian women) showed a risk factor of 81% for negative psychological impacts for women who abort rather than give birth. Safe? Really? These impacts include increased suicide rates, drug and alcohol abuse, depression. Check out http://www.wecare.com
Furthermore, this article does not address the lack of maternal care and resources for pregnant girls/women in these countries. It is that which you should be fighting for – not to kill their babies.
The solution to crisis pregnancies is to remove the crisis, not the child.
Women deserve better than abortion and yet this is all you promote in this article.
Nothing “pro life” about the perpetuating “myths” that abortion should be “legal, safe and rare”…
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http://www.lifenetwork.org.au/BlogRetrieve.aspx?PostID=64482&A=SearchResult&SearchID=2419745&ObjectID=64482&ObjectType=55
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There was an increase of late term abortions at the Royal Womens because due to a change in legislation. They became the only hospital in Victoria and Tasmania that was allowed to perform the procedure. The amount of women having late term abortions remained the same.
The number of abortion procedures performed per year is estimated at around 70000-80000. That number doesn’t distinguish between abortion and having a d and c due to miscarriage.
You, like many anti-choicers have altered statistics to suit your agenda.
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thanks kim
first ; highly recommend “Half the Sky”
second ; the planet is overpopulated
third; every woman should have total control over her body at all times
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Pfft x3!
Total control of her body, sure! – but not the other body growing and developing inside her! Different and separate DNA! Different person!! Science!!
Population – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsAracLBCxI
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Yes…the legislation changed to allow abortion UP UNTIL BIRTH. Amendments rejected included: parental consent for girls under 18 (they need it to have a panadol at school or piercings); mandatory reporting of suspected sexual abuse of minors; limitting abortion to 24 weeks; a cooling off period for women considering late term abortion, banning of partial birth abortions (banned in the U.S); medical provision for babies born alive; and support/counselling for women considering abortion.
This change of legislation made abortion up until birth more accessible, resulting in an increase in late term abortions at this hospital! Over half of these late term babies are perfectlly healthy (Vic Dept Infant Mortality and Morbidity Report) –
As for statistics, yes they are hard to come by. I actually think it is higher than 90,000 (my colleague estimates 70,000 – 80,000 surgical abortions). This figure is not disputed by anyone, except those with their heads in the sand!.. A lady from ‘Women’s Health’ said that it is the most common female procedure – it has been widely agreed that one in three Australian women wiill have an abortion (at least one) in their life time.
Pro life advocates are all for keeping accurate statistics on abortion, and of course would be delighted if they were lower than estimates given. Sadly, it is unlikely to be the case
http://www.lifenetwork.org.au/BlogRetrieve.aspx?PostID=42781&A=SearchResult&SearchID=2420202&ObjectID=42781&ObjectType=55
The problem anti lifers have is that you can’t have it both ways… The legislation in Victoria was passed because pollies believed that it was law catching up to what was happening in society – so many women having them. So you can’t play up the number of women having abortion, but downplay the number of babies being killed. They go hand in hand!
http://www.lifenetwork.org.au/BlogRetrieve.aspx?PostID=42781&A=SearchResult&SearchID=2420202&ObjectID=42781&ObjectType=55
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7p4LVSmKx5M
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I can’t even be bothered to correct this drivel.
Try doing your research from non-biased sources, not from a pro-life blog.
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The article is referenced, Kim (to non “biased” sources of information). That is a strategy of pro aborts – to dismiss information as “biased” – hello….if there is data to support the information, why is it is “drivel”?
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The article is poorly referenced. They do not link to any of their references, making it hard for the people who read their blog to actually find out the truth.
Some of the references cannot be found and some of the ones that I did find didn’t actually back up their points at all.
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Apologies the link is: http://wecareexperts.org/
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Sonja, take your patronizing, infuriating cartoons and rubbish statistics and move on. You can’t tell a woman she doesn’t have a say on what will happen to her body. If you’d like to, stop doing it over the internet and start invading their lives bleeting on about their fetus. And when they change their mind and have the child, please adopt every single one of these babies. Then I’ll give a sh*t about your opinion.
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I would be delighted to help anyone looking for assistance during pregnancy (I liase with, promote and support a few pregnancy support centres). I would be just as delighted to assist with girls/women wanting to make an adoption plan. We have begun our training to do foster care and if I could adopt babies, I would! Sadly, there were only 17 (I said 45 earlier, but think that was the year before – I looked into it today and it was only 17!!!) “local” (ie Australian) babies “available” for adoption last year (with an abortion rate of 90,000 plus) and an endless list of wanting couples.
I also liase with two different organisations looking to review adoption in Australia – laws, attitudes and practices.
With an Early Childhood degree and years of teaching experience, i think I have just the right qualifications and commitment to mothers, babies and children for the job…I look forward to it!!
I agree with you that being pro life does not end when the baby is born. It is about addressing the real issues facing unsupported women during pregnancy and motherhood. It is an honour to be able to do that!
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Sonja – I am so glad you are here. Please stay.
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If young women were not so promiscuous we would not have so many terminations. Young teenagers having one night stands to boys they dont even know falling pregnant and using terminations as a form of contraception.Then repeating the same behaviour over and over again, Its a sad fact and it is true. It is quite horrifying. These girls need to learn some respect, gain some knowledge and not be so careless with their lives and bodies. I will ensure my daughter will have the upmost respect for herself and her body. The consequences are traumatic .
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Why is it all the girls fault???
Why don’t we say boys should be raised to have respect for themselves? I feel sorry for your daughter is she is being raised by such a sexist person.
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Obviously you are not teaching your daughter values if what I say is sexist. What a shame for her. No wonder there are too many young girls going through these ordeals.
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If you are teaching your daughter to only look at her own behaviour then you are sexist. Your comment made no mention of the responsibility of men and read as if this issue could be resolved if girls just stopped sleeping around.
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TO be honest, if young girls stopped acting like sluts and having cheap sex with boys then they would not get in this predicament in the first place. If the girls dont put out the boys dont get . SIMPLE… Mothers need to teach their daughters that they are more worthy than a cheap bonk from a boy they dont know.
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and boys should be taught to keep it in their pants. This societal perception that men are some how ‘weaker’ and can’t ‘help themselves’ shits me to tears. It is not just up to women to be responsible!
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Good for you. That exact strategy worked for Sarah Palin, not to mention thousands of parents from previous generations.
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and young men????
That was for anonymous who claimed young women were too promiscuous.
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Sure young men too, but young women have to deal with the physical termination and the affect it has on their body and mental health.
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So because it is the woman who falls pregnant men have less responsibility? What a cop out. Men have equal responsibility here to respect themselves, their partner, make wise choices and use contraception where necessary. I have often had men refuse to wear condoms. But of course, thats my fault for having sex in the first place?
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Well guest, if they refuse to wear one , you would be foolish to go there. Who knows where your one night stand has been before you.
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Of course I wouldn’t go there. My point is that some posters (and in the wider media some commentators) seem to think women just need to stop sleeping around. Where is the talk of men’s responsibilities? I included my story about condoms to demonstrate some men seem to think they have no role to play in contraception. It takes two people to make a baby, but reading some posts you would think not.
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Did I hear you right, men are responsible too. So men should have a say in whether their baby is aborted I presume?
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Just remember that men have absolutely no say in termonating or continuing with the pregnancy, and I’m damn sure that you’d be the first to condemn a man who advocated their girlfriend’s termination.
You can’t have it both ways
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Of course this behaviour happens. I don’t think anyone would deny it, but it’s a minority. Most women take the issue of abortions seriously. I just found your comment very one sided (and seemed to “blame” girls while ignoring a boy’s input to her sexual activity), although not as one sided as Sonya’s.
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Given the group “Labor for Life” seems to be the basis for this story, I highly recommend the author contact the organisers of this group to clarify their position (given they have been badly misrepresented in this piece).
I’m astounded that a “Parliamentary Advocacy Coordinator” did not or was unable to do so.
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I love this article and agree with it – abortions should be safe and legal.
But I don’t agree that they should be rare. I think people should be able to have abortions whenever they want.
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I don’t think that’s the sentiment behind ‘safe, legal and rare’ – that it shouldn’t be available when needed.
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They refer to “rare” as in, they are needed less often because of education, understanding, prevention etc.
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You think that women should be able to kill as many of their babies as they want to? I dont know anyone who agrees with that sentiment, except for those on the abortion pay roll!
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Here’s a bit of background on me, just so anyone who cares to read doesn’t classify me as something I’m not.
48yo male, twice divorced, 3 living children, one premmy son died shortly after birth, 2 others aborted by my ex wife (1 without my knowledge) Liberal voter, ex serviceman, a couple of degrees (Engineering and maths).
I’ve found that my attitudes to abortion have changed over the years, what I vehemently opposed as a young bloke I now champion. Certainly Abortion is one of those opinions that have changed.
Women most definitely need to have access to the best possible health treatment regardless of the cause. Abortion should be no different to getting treated for a cold. The best is all that is acceptable.
There’s more than the possible death of the woman to consider, families more often than not fall apart with the death of the mother, other children don’t get the benefit of the nurturing a mother provides.
However, these are the easy arguments, it’s the whole “start of life” thing that is the difficult bit. Regardless of when life is percieved to start, I think it’s more important to look at the time that a baby becomes viable outside of the womb. It’s absurd that a 23 week premmy baby has all sorts of medical attention to keep it alive on one side of town, yet on the other side of town feotuses the same age are being aborted. I really think that abortions should not be performed after the age that they are viable outside the womb. Currently the youngest age to survive is 21 weeks, so abortions should only be performed on women who are less than 21 weeks gestation. It’s only my opinion, and in a perfect world none of us would promote abortion, but we aren’t in a perfect world.
My heart goes out to any woman who has to make the choice to terminate or not. As a father I was devastated when I discovered my wife had terminated the pregnancy, even though there were compelling reasons to do so. The joint decision to terminate the other was the hardest decision I had to make, and I didn’t really have to make it!
Anyway, forgetting the arguments for or against abortion, women need and deserve the best possible treatment.
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The question I always ask to anti-abortion campaigners is this:
If you were the boss of the world and had the right to make any laws you wanted on the abortion issue, what would you do?
Would you criminalise abortion?
Would you arrest doctors who performed abortions?
Would you charge women who had an abortion with murder?
Would you imprison them?
Would you arrest women who were seeking an abortion and put them in an institution until they gave birth?
I am fascinated by the practicalities of this “anti-abortion utopia” because all the evidence shows that women will still choose to terminate unwanted pregnancies, so how, as the boss of the world, will you deal with that?
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As an anti abortion campaigner, I would invest in practical and emotional support for women facing unplanned and challenging pregnancies. There needs to be the same number of funded pregnancy support centres as there are abortion clinics – to offer genuine “choice”.
Then I would change societal attitudes that convince women and couples that their pregnancies are “unacceptable” – They are consistently told that they are: “not old enough”, “too old”, “too broke”, “too many kids already”, “wrong partner”, “not finished study” etc etc. This is coercion!
In fact, research shows tht around 65% of women who “choose” abortion say they had “no choice”!
And finally, I would cut the red tape surrounding adoption. We have an abortion rate of around 90,000 babies a year, but last year only 45 local babies were “available” for adoption.
It is not about prosecution and imprisonment, it is about supporting women, babies and families.
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It’s extremely unrealistic that one of your steps would be to ‘change societal attitudes’.
Then you’d ‘cut the red tape surrounding adoption’.
How achievable.
I want your magic wand…
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The thread begain with someone asking ” If you were boss of the world and had the right to make any laws you wanted on the abortion issue”…
Agree…wish I had that magic wand too…or we could just educate more and more people about the injustice of abortion to women, babies and families. This is happening in the U.S where the majority of Americans now describe themselves as “pro life”…YEAH!! Watch this space..
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Thanks for your response SOnja.
I always find it interesting that when people answer this question, it becomes clear that most pro-lifers don’t actually suggest any way to “prevent abortion” but talk about offering support to pregnant mums etc. THen they spend their time protesting about clinics trying to make women feel guilty (this isn’t directed at you personally Sonja, it’s just something general that I have noticed)
I think more support for pregnant women is great, but religious conservatives (usually the biggest anti-abortion group) tend to vote for conservative parties who like to scapegoat and condemn single mums and their kids and withdraw financial support for them. It’s the classic case of caring deeply about babies until the moment they are born.
“In fact, research shows tht around 65% of women who “choose” abortion say they had “no choice”!”
If this is in fact an accurate figure, I would question your interpretation of it. I suggest that these women who had “no choice” are indicating that they are completely convinced that hey made the right decision and that bearing a child simply was not an option for them at this point in their lives.
“And finally, I would cut the red tape surrounding adoption.”
Giving a baby up for adoption is a huge, life changing event. Carrying a baby for nine months, feeling it inside you, going through labour (which often carries a whole other set of risks) expriencing the rush of bonding hormones that follow, lactating and bleeding while giving up a baby, then living the rest of your life knowing that you have a child somewhere out there, is something that hardly anyone would choose to do.
Terminating a pregnancy in the early stages is a simple and safe procedure with very few after-effects. The figures speak for themselves. FAR more women choose abortion over adoption now that it is legal and accessible. Women don’t choose abortion because adoption is bureaucratic, they choose it because adoption is simply not a realistic solution to their situation they are in.
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Dear Melanie,
It’s interesting that you never bothered to contact anyone from Labor for Life to get their perspective on exactly what their view is.
If you did, you would find that a number of members agree that we can’t remove access to safe abortions, but that we, as a society need to work towards a community where unwanted pregnancies dont occur, (I personally am disgusted at the current debate in the US over contraceptives), and that when they do our society offers a greater level of support to mothers. If you’d also bothered to look into it, you may have found that the creation of Labor for Life has absolutely nothing to do with the Gay Marriage debate within the ALP, infact there are many members of Labor for Life who are pro-gay marriage, viewing love and marriage as a fundamental right in life.
It’s important to also remember, that we dont arrive at a pro-life position for the sake of it, but that people are swayed by many life experiences and points of view. I accept that as long as there is conflict in our community over when life begins (another debate for another day) there will always be debate over abortion. But, what I have found is that we can respect each other’s opinions and beliefs and work on what unites us, which, I hope, is a desire to make abortions rare.
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Simone I’d love it if what you say about Labor for Life were correct, however I think you’ll find that your information is incomplete. You might want to start by looking at their website, where they do clearly state their antichoice and anti gay marriage position. You could also look at the public records of their key members. For eg, members of Labor for Life, such as Joe De Bruyn and Helen Polley, played very active roles in both trying to block access to RU486 and vigorously advocating for the ban on AusAID funding supporting women’s choices to be upheld. They were also very energetic in their opposition to gay marriage at the 2011 ALP Conference.
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and I would’ve thought you’d have confirmed views with Labor for Life members rather then sourcing your knowledge from something as public and lame as facebook. If sourcing information from facebook is the way to make up assumptions on a lobby, I am in the wrong industry. Lazy journalism is what my father calls it. Very typical that you give people rights to have an oppinion, unless they differ to yours of course. BTW well said Simone..
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Tara – first they have an actual website, not just a facebook site. Second they’ve spoken to the media eg see Stephanie Peatling’s piece. Third, Joe De Bruyn, Polley and other key members have made their views very clear during their time in Parliament. Hansard a sufficient source for you? Look up the RU486 inquiry. Look up De Bruyn’s commentary around 2009 removal of the Harradine ban from AusAID family planning guidelines.
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I think you’re actually looking at the website for an entirely different organisation based out of the US, which unfortunately shares the same name!
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Yeah, Im actually the Admin of the Facebook page, and I must say, I cant see anything on there about Gay Marriage. I must also congratulate you though, because I certainly know that if I was going to write a well-informed opinion piece, I’d too get all of my information from such a credible source such as Facebook.
You’re correct that two pro-life members of the ALP are also opposed to Gay Marriage, but as I pointed out, that’s not to say that all pro-life people share that same opinion, nor are all those opposed to Gay Marriage are pro-life (Julia Gillard is pro-choice, but she supports traditional marriage). What you’re trying to do is to link two completely different issues in an attempt to make us look like nothing more than tea-party-esque right wing fundamentalists, which, if you ever wanted to hear my views on a number of other social issues, you’d probably find im not.
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well said Simone.
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I’m pro whatever the woman chooses to do. Its nobody elses business. Personally, I dont think it is something I could ever choose to do, but thats my decision for me. I think people should remember that fact, make their own choice, mind their own business and leave others alone to do the same.
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Is there a publicly available list of who the Labor MPs part of this movement are? I imagine those of us who have them as our local members might want to have stern words.
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I’m sorry, but from a public health perspective this is the ideological equivalent of attempting to fix a gunshot wound with a bandaid.
Legalising abortion does not necessarily correlate to the availability of legal or safe abortions, particularly in developing countries. The factors which cause women to seek unsafe abortion -particularly in the countries in which the majority of these deaths are occurring – far transcend law and availability.
If you want to do something to prevent deaths from unsafe abortion, do something to prevent these women and girls from unwanted pregnancies, or from wanted pregnancies they cannot afford, in the first place. Not just education. Not just contraception. But the power to use it. The power to say no to marriage, or unwanted sex. The power and means to access general medical care.
The fact is, if women are not valued, they will continue to suffer in life, and die unnecessary deaths. I’m all for reducing these deaths. But both professionally and personally, I firmly believe that the women we are talking about here deserve far better than just one addition to their so-called ‘options’.
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Wow. What a great comment. Can I ask what you do in your job?
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I’m a stay at home mum at the moment, but my career focus is in women’s and children’s health, particularly on the nexus between culture and health outcomes. I actually spent a chunk of my masters addressing the exact question of what effect the legalisation of abortion might have on maternal mortality
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Jamie. Deaths from back street abortions dropped by 91 percent in the decade since South Africa legalised abortion. That one act of law reform has saved literally thousands of lives. Gunshot wound with a bandaid? Pretty incredible bandaid.
Of course legal and policy reform does need to be implemented in order to be effective – so yes, you need availability and access, and of course gender discrimination affects women’s ability to access services, but far from fixing a ‘gunshot wound with a bandaid’ I would suggest that removing prohibitions to the provision of vital services not just safe abortion but also, importantly, contraception and skill care during pregnancy and during and after childbirth – is a fundamental step toward improving sexual and reproductive health services. And when women have control of their bodies, then they might actually have a shot at achieving educational and economic empowerment as well.
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Hi Melanie,
I don’t have the stats at my fingertips but unless something has radically changed in the last few years there are also a number of countries where illegal abortion continues at relatively stable rates, despite abortion being both legally and safely available? India is one which comes immediately to mind.
You can make abortion as legal and as safe and as widely available as you like, you can provide vital services and contraception and pregnancy care, but as long as women continue to live in cultures where they and their bodies are not considered valuable they will continue to lack access even when the gold standard care is on their doorstep.
I’m not saying it’s not a step. I’m just saying there are other steps which would have a far greater impact on maternal morbidity and mortality is all.
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Illegal abortions are not necessarily unsafe. Done by an experienced midwife, with clean hands, infection is very unlikely, even if it is done in fashion that is technically “backyard”. We only tend to see the failed cases, because those are the ones that end up in hospital and/or court.
Nonetheless, no woman needs to die from an abortion (abortion is safer in fact than full term labour for a woman). So any attempt to quash women’s access to safe abortion is deeply troubling.
I take your point that there are other areas of women’s health that need to be addressed, but I don’t think that means we shouldn’t focus on this as well.
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Luc, I can’t help feeling that you are applying a Western rhetoric of abortion to the developing context… Please remember we are talking in the majority about women who are lucky to have reliable access to safe drinking water, let alone hospital, court, or “an experienced midwife, with clean hands”…
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Jamie, Melanie said this in her reply to you “Deaths from back street abortions dropped by 91 percent in the decade since South Africa legalised abortion”. South Africa would have counted as a developing country during that period, yet legalisation obviously still made a big difference.
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Jamie, I think a massive cultural shift is required to achieve equality, or even something approaching it in a lot of countries. It is a great ideal, but at least small steps like this are a start.
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Seen it a bit lately, Faybian – dismissing a step because it’s not the ideal. Shooting yourself in the foot!
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China and India (among other countries) have had this ‘small step’ in place for decades, in the absence of gender equality. The ensuing gender imbalance due to sex-selective abortion is having devastating social and economic consequences. And in both of those countries, women are still dying from unsafe abortion.
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I am a long term reader but have never posted. I feel upset and disheartened at the attack on mammamia. why can’t people respond to the STORY, instead of carrying on about other stuff?
it’s not only this story, but many, many others. today just feels like the straw that broke the camel’s back!
i think it is a sad and disturbing story and thank god I live in a country where not only am I at much less risk of facing this decision, but I am allowed to make it if I need to.
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Amen Shan! Best post here!
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I’m a Christian who had struggled with this issue. My personal moral beliefs are totally against abortion… But I can’t expect someone else who doesn’t have my subjective point of view to understand that.
As much as I hate the idea of abortion, I hate the idea of women dying from unsafe abortions even more. A lot of my anti-abortion friends say “if we ban abortion, people won’t do it”, but I really think that is naive. It might lower the numbers a little bit, but people would still do all kinds of things to try and get rid of unwanted pregnancies. (let’s face it, women have been trying to abort babies since they first discovered herbal medicine.) some of my other anti-abortion “friends” say that if a woman dies while trying to kill her baby that’s justice… But that POV is totally abhorrent to me.
I do think that we need to work just as eagerly on promoting ALL choices, not just abortion. Maybe we need to try and give support so that women who don’t necessarily want an abortion but otherwise don’t really know what to do about an unexpected pregnancy can make other choices. Does that sound reasonable? Because abortion isn’t really a choice if you don’t have the support to choose other alternatives.
We are so blessed in this country… We are protected under the law, so that rape is very rare (not as rare as it should be, but rarer than in developing countries). A woman who gets pregnant outside of marriage is not going to get killed by her family, or even suffer too much ostracism from society. Our government gives parents help to raise their children.
But their still may be women who feel abortion is their ONLY choice… And I think that’s bad too.
I’m probably going to get flamed, but I’m trying to be honest and reasonable.
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Thanks for a well reasoned comment.
I’m pro-choice, but your thoughts make complete sense to me. Especially your point about not always being a choice, but sometimes a last resort.
If only all people who are against abortion could look at the full picture like you have.
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I wrote about abortion (also marriage) and its connection to religion & the law on Sunday. Today I received an interesting response displaying the opposite extreme – a story of one person’s cavalier attitude towards their own abortion.
It is my personal belief that abortions must be legal and safe, for exactly the reasons you have brought to light in this article.
As the daughter of a woman who worked as a student midwife when abortions were neither safe nor legal, I don’t see how any other option is viable.
Melanie and MM, thank you for this story. I will link to it in my response right now.
In the words of Obama: “Democracy demands that the religiously motivated translate their concerns into universal, rather than religion-specific, values. It requires that their proposals be subject to argument, and amenable to reason. I may be opposed to abortion for religious reasons, but if I seek to pass a law banning the practice, I cannot simply point to the teachings of my church or evoke God’s will. I have to explain why abortion violates some principle that is accessible to people of all faiths, including those with no faith at all.”
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That is a awesome Obama quote.
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Here Here!
Every woman deserves the right to make that decision based on what they think is right for themselves and for their baby. There are too many children in this world – be they in developed countries like Australia or in third-world countries – whose mothers felt forced to keep their babies when they were faced with an unwanted pregnancy. Too many women go on to suffer mental illness and too many children go on to be subjected to neglect and abuse as a result of unwanted pregnancies that are not terminated. Women should never be removed of the right to choose as to whether or not they can have an abortion.
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Something to note is that frequently (I’m looking at you, USA) not only is funding for abortions removed from some aid, but ALL funding for ALL services is denied if abortions are also part of the care provided to women in need. Everything. Funds for education, contraception, pregnancy care… so entire health clinics and their programs are at risk.
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The tax payers in the US are in uproar that Obamacare will see their money going to pay for abortions.
We have a socialist health system, they have a democratic/libertarian one where the individual is responsible for their actions and the outcomes.
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“Democratic” healthcare? That must be shorthand for ‘survival of the fittest & the richest, to hell with everyone else’ healthcare.
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I think it pretty much is.
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I wouldn’t exactly call that democratic.
I like the saying “you can judge a society by how it treats it’s most vulnerable” or something like that.
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My great grandmother performed a few ‘DIY’ abortions at home on herself and died at the age of 43 from cancer of the uterus. Her instrument of choice and that of the other women in her poor neighbourhood was the crochet hook.
My grandmother vividly remembers her mother and some of the women in her street pooling their meagre resources to purchase the obligatory bottle of gin and the crochet hooks whenever one of them wanted to get rid of an unwanted pregnancy. With an alcoholic husband too busy drinking to support his family this was all too often my great granny’s only way of preventing another mouth she couldn’t afford to feed from entering the world.
I’m pro choice and firmly believe that women should have access to safe abortions.
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More than anything, I think this post affirms the need to see the basic human right of safety, protected and ensured. Many of the examples given were based on those who suffered horrible voilent acts. It would be nice to see more funding spent on developing nations for education, protection and prosecution of criminals. It’s really heart breaking that a child = death to a large portion of women.
Excellent post.
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As women in Australia we forget how hard life still is for women in third world countries. We are almost treated as equals here, but still women are treated worse than dogs in many places. I could cry after reading this article, I could scream how unfair life treats women. It is like stepping back in time 100 years, something has to be done. Contraception and abortion should be a women’s right. No-one should have to carry a child that was inflicted on them by sexual violence.
I hope this funding issue is brought to the surface during the election campaigns.
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The topic of abortion is deeply emotive, but i don’t get the hoopla of the current picture attached to this article. Coat hangers were and most likely still are the instrument of choice to remove unwanted pregnancies in some countries where medical assistance is non existant and backyard abortions are their only option.
I’m definitely pro-choice and count my lucky stars that i live in a country which allows me to access different forms of contraceptive measures and also safe, legal abortions provided by trained medical staff.
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For heavens sake LOSE THE PICTURE.
Backyard abortionists don’t look like merchant bankers and the poor girls in third world countries don’t look like they’re on a photo shoot for Bonds underwear.
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I am pro-choice and more than that I have had to make that choice in my past. Would I say it was easy, no – it is something that will always be with me. I 100% defend anyone’s right to have this decision, however hard it may be. The funding needs to be there!
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I am anti-abortion for myself and pro-choice. Free, safe, legal & accessible abortion everywhere now! Mamamia, thank you for running this story.
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I think people need to get over the image issue and just focus on the article. Seriously, if you don’t like the image then that’s ok, but why make that the centre point of the argument? The issue here is abortion, and more specifically, unsafe abortions. The image is surely not as bad as the horrific situation those women who don’t have access to safe abortions face.
For me personally, I am “pro-choice”, but hope I never am placed in a situation where I have to choose. It is a woman’s right to choose what to do with an unwanted pregnancy. It is her body. Sometimes contraception doesn’t work. Sometimes women don’t have access to adequate health care and face awful complications and disabilities (as noted in the article) from birth. And what about those that are raped? How horrific to be reminded of that event every day of your pregnancy, and then what of the birth itself? It is unjust to deny a woman that choice. It is even more unjust to force a woman into a potentially life threatening procedure because abortion is illegal.
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The image made me look away from the article, and less inclined to read it. Although I did come back to read it, all psyched up to scroll down and not look left. I agree it’s a really important article, and its a shame to have a picture making people turn away. (I’m assuming that if this many people commented on it, there were also others who had my original reaction of turning away.)
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Okay that was one of the most blatantly biased articles I have read in a long time
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well shouldn’t we look equally at both sides of the story, I mean just because you think it’s right dosen’t mean there isn’t evidence to the contrary which should be clearly stated in an equal handed manner. (sorry, I thought that was blatently obvious)
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When you say “both sides”, are you asking for the well-being of the foetus to be considered as well as the mother? ie should the article be pointing out (what others might say is blatAntly obvious) that unwanted children born in poor countries where access to food, clean water, clothing, medical and dental care, education, adequate housing is rare, will probably go without these basic needs their entire lives? That unwanted children stand a very high chance of being trafficked – either for prostitution or as child soldiers? Is that the sort of life a “well-balanced” article should be trying to suggest is protected?
Sorry, not trying to sound snarky, but I thought it was an articulate article.
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Eternal caterpillar said pretty much what I would’ve said to you.
Don’t try to compare the situation faced by mothers in a developed country to those in a poor country. It is far from apples to apples and if accidental pregnancies happen here, how do you think we could prevent them in the Congo, for example?
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Anna,
Any opinion piece is going to be blatantly biased to one side. It only becomes offensive if the opinion offered is opposite to yours.
Since it’s opinion, there’s no need to present the other side of the argument at all. Let someone else write the opposing argument, perhaps you could do it Anna?
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Genuine question – do people not learn media studies at every school? This is an opinion piece. As distinct from a news piece, an editorial, an advertorial. You are allowed to argue one side. In a news piece (say if this appeared in the news section reporting on the law about aid) then it should be balanced. Different styles of media here. Does Andrew Bolt report every side??
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No, people don’t learn media studies all the time.
Things like bias and credible sources are covered in some English and science classes, but not always.
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Oh, wow, really?! A stock photo of clothes hangers accompanying a story about illegal abortion? Vomit in my cereal.
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Rick’s comment below regarding the image (and the previous one which was much more distubing) is just as shocking…..
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Although judging by past comments there was a worse one? Well, I suppose, what is a -good- image for a story on abortion…?
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Perhpas a photo of a grieving woman…..
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Coat hangers are a reality of the illegal abortion. I’ve read numerous legal cases where coat hangers were used to bring on an abortion in Australia before the 1960s. People also used shards of glass, hat pins, crochet hooks and, probably most commonly, enema pumps. Doctors of course would use a D&C, but that might be no safer if done without proper hygiene.
This is the reality of it, and it is a story that so often gets lost. If women don’t have access to safe abortions, they will have unsafe ones.
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When reading articles like this about girls and women being subjected to violence, rape, lack of contraception and dangerous abortions, I want to jump on a boat and deliver self-defense courses and contraceptives to girls and women all around the world, as well as opening the eyes of men to seeing you just DO NOT treat women as though they are animals and then walk away and leave that poor woman or girl with the consequences. Consequences which can change her life forever or even end up killing her.
I’ve always been a swinging voter so will be watching how the political parties handle this extremely sensitive issue with great interest.
My heart goes out to any girl or woman faced with unwanted pregnancy and having to terminate a pregnancy.
It’s understandable that many women feel totally angry when denied access to safe abortion and contraception after being treated with zero respect and compassion. It’s just a no win situation for women sometimes.
I still can’t decide if abortion is the best thing for unwanted pregnancies but that’s how I feel about it. Each woman has to make her own decision and should be supported in her decision, not have to take steps that might actually kill her.
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Firstly we need to be clear that neither major political party is talking about Australia and how we deal with funding abortions.
It is no surprise that Labor has a strong anti-abortion faction. Catholics were the backbone of the Labor movement and I always find it strange that they attack Abbott for being one.
Growing up Catholic we always voted Labor without question. It’s only now that I can see their determined destruction of the economy and union thuggery. As far as I can see, Marxism is now the Labor agenda, communism is the Greens and mainstream. normal Australian are represented by the Coalition.
Having said that, many people from both sides, are against taxpayer money being spent on abortions. On a recent trip to the US, I witnessed uproar.
In an ideal world I think abortions should be self-funded but I’d never have the guts to stand in the way of a desperate rape victim and I’d never back a return to the days, not that long ago, when women died from backyarders and when infanticide wasn’t uncommon.
Third world countries and the health of women is such a massive problem and far more serious and complex than what women face here.
TO see a young woman die from the desperate attempts to abort her pregnancy is confronting in the extreme and so heartbreaking.
We are a long way from seeing a world where all women can flourish but the fact remains that abortion is something that many people will not be a part of and that is their right.
I would add that many people with no religious affiliation are also against abortion and lets remember that the Catholics do not have a monopoly on this. All Christian religions, Jews and Muslims and even tribal laws prohibit abortion.
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I don’t think anyone is suggesting that if you don’t want to have an abortion you should be made to have one.
The whole point of being pro-choice is about allowing women the right to decide.
There are many medical procedures that I will never need that I am happy to fund through my taxes – abortion is no different, and should always remain one of these procedures.
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The question of public funding for abortion is removed from other procedures in the eyes of many people and just because some say they’re wrong doesn’t make them so.
Our laws are fixed and done. This article is about foreign aid and how some people (rightly or wrongly) won’t have taxpayer’s money paying for abortions.
This is an ethical issue, not a religious one. A certain percentage of people will always fall one way or the other but most of us will sit on a very uncomfortable fence knowing that pain and suffering awaits no matter which way we fall.
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REALLY??? Marxism is now the Labour party’s agenda??? Catholics were the backbone of the Labour movement???
Clearly you do not follow politics.
May I point out that Tony Abbott, the leader of the Opposition, is a staunch Catholic who once trained to be a priest. I am sure that you will thus know what his stance – and the Opposition’s stance – on abortion is likely to be.
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Are you serious? Do you really not know the role of Catholics in the Labor movement? Google it and see how many thousand hits you get!
May I point out to you that Julia Gillard, the leader of the ALP, is a staunch atheist who has never married or had children. I am sure that you will thus know what her stance – and the Government’s stance – on religious freedom, marriage and child birth is likely to be.
All outlawed?
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I think you will find that it’s not fashionable to push the ‘catholic’ origins if the ALP anymore.
The academics, elite and Chardonnay socialists don’t think it’s ‘on trend’ for people to know about that.
They’re trying to market themselves as ‘progressives.’ The working class are just useful idiots who are needed for votes.
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Hi all,
The photo is disturbing. But this issue is a disturbing reality for women worldwide. We try to tread lightly where we can but that doesn’t mean we pretend these stories aren’t horrible, because they are. We’ve taken your feedback on board but we’ve chosen not to sanitise the topic.
Thanks.
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I think the point is that the image takes away from the fact that this affects *people*. Would it be okay if I suggested you use an image of women in one of the obstetric fistula clinics? Or one of the ‘faces of abortion’ you used in an image gallery recently?
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Well why did you change the photo then??
It’s not about sanitising the topic – it’s about showing sensitivity to readers who found the image to be upsetting and disturbing. I find your comment to be completely heartless, patronising and lacking in sensitivity.
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Apologies for that. The topic is upsetting, though, by its nature.
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If the topic alone is disturbing, then why make it worse by forcing the reader to view such an upsetting image….
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he said sorry, move on
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The photo of a very pregnant woman is back! I research on abortion in the past, so I know that it is a disturbing topic. I know it can’t be sanitised (indeed, see my comment on coat hangers)
But I think to have a heavily pregnant white woman – she looks maybe 7 months pregnant – highlighting a story on abortion, is horrendous. it doesn’t represent the story – nobody is advocating for routine abortion at this point in a pregnancy. It’s got NOTHING to do with this story, which is in fact an important issue, and one I would like to read about without being distracted.
This image really makes me doubt your judgement about these things Mamamia. Are you just being sensationlist? I’ve always thought Mamamia had the right to publish whatever it wanted – its your website, I don’t have to read it. But I want to read it! This image is kind of offensive and sickening. I think from the reactions, you can see it is disturbing. I don’t get why you’d want to put it back on.
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It shouldn’t be! I’ll see what’s going on. Sometimes on the iPhone version of the site the pictures stay once they’ve been added once, even if we delete them. But if you’re viewing from a normal computer I’m not sure what is going on. Will check.
EDIT: Gremlins are afoot. Precisely half of us have the correct image on display, the other half do not. Even in the back of the site. That’s never happened before. Working on it.
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What a brilliant article. For those posted already who are not sure what the connection is between what happens in Australia and illegal and unsafe abortion in third world countries: “…MPs in both major parties have supported a ban on using Australian aid funding for a range of sexual and reproductive health services, including safe and legal abortion. In place from 1996-2009, the recent lifting of these restrictions has been a continued rallying call for anti-abortion campaigners from both major parties.” The so called “Labour for Life” and other Australian anti-abortion groups are attempting to limit aid for programs overseas that help to provide reproductive health services including contraception and safe abortion. We are lucky in Australia that although abortion is technically illegal still in some states, it is accessible and it is safe. This should be a matter of choice for all women.
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I’m all for “rare, safe and legal.”
I want to know more about the limitations MPs are placing on our foreign aid being spent on reproductive health services. That seems to be a vital aid area to me?
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When Brian Harradine was an independent he created a deal where government aid (AusAID) can’t be given to any agency that provides assistance with abortion (and some contraceptions by extention I believe).
Can anyone tell me if this deal is still in place?
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Mamamia team,
I’m shocked you would use this image.
Second term abortion is used in Australia only when there is severe health risks for mother or foetus. Imagine the trauma of that, already.
This image is inflammatory and alarming, and in no way represents the average abortion in Australia.
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Luc, late term abortion (post 20 weeks) is not reserved for any health risk to the mother. In fact collected government statistics show that in both SA and VIC the majority of late term abortions are undertaken for psychosocial reasons, on healthy mothers and babies.
2008: 178 of 328 late term abortions were for psychosocial reasons
2007: 164 of 345 the same
2006: 150 of 298 same
2005: 178 or 309 same
We have accurate government stats on this back to 2000 when only 14 of 112 late term abortions were for psychosocial reasons.
The ‘average’ abortion in Australia means over 94% of all abortions are for psychosocial reasons. The facts of late term abortion are rarely publicised.
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Please remove that image.
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The new image is hardly any better. What is wrong with you??
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I find the image accompanying this article really disturbing and totally inappropriate. Using such an inaccurate, divisive and seemingly violent image goes against all the balance and respect Mamamia community has when discussing such personal and emotional matters like this.
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I completely agree. This is a fantastic piece, but the photo is very disturbing.
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