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tony abbott family 2 380x262 Tony Abbott: Why I changed my mind on paid parental leave.

Tony Abbott with his daughters Louise, Frances and Bridget

By TONY ABBOTT

As parents, Margie and I knew all too well the struggles families face when they don’t fit into the one-size-fits-all child care system which currently exists. The child care sector has to catch up with the changing family working patterns. This week I took my pledge for a Productivity Commission inquiry into child care a step further by releasing the terms of reference which highlights the key problems that need to be addressed and key proposals which must be considered, such as greater access to in-home care and the option of tax deductibility. There’s no doubt that it’s time Australia had a more flexible, more accessible and more affordable mix of child care options.

A more responsive child care system is good for families but it is particularly important for mothers who suffer the greatest impact when child care is scarce, inflexible and expensive. It provides women with power and choice in their career decisions and makes it easier for them to work how they want, when they want, which is not only critical for working women, it’s critical for our nation’s.

More flexible child care is not the only important concern facing new and expectant mothers. Australia might have been the first country to give women full electoral rights but we have been just about the last to give them paid parental leave. Some 38 countries have a paid parental leave scheme – including places like Morocco and Mexico as well as Denmark and Switzerland – but Australia still doesn’t have a scheme based on a woman’s real wage.

The scheme that the current Government cobbled together, is basically a re-badged Baby Bonus. It’s a welfare scheme rather than a workplace entitlement.

Increasing women’s participation in the economy is a sure-fire way to boost productivity. Increasing productivity is the key to building a stronger economy. By better supporting women to juggle work and family commitments, we empower them to be better economic (as well as social) contributors to our country. That’s why paid parental leave is not just a women’s issue or another a family benefit but a policy that makes good economic sense.

Of all the countries with a paid parental leave scheme, 36 out of 38 base parental leave payments on the salary that the individual mother actually earns. Just two countries – one of them Australia – have a scheme that doesn’t pay women their real wage. Labor’s scheme is based on the minimum wage. It’s not a workplace entitlement based on a woman’s real wage.

tony abbott family1 380x251 Tony Abbott: Why I changed my mind on paid parental leave.

Tony Abbott’s wife and daughters

This is the key difference between Labor’s paid parental leave scheme and the policy I took to the last election and will take again to the next election. I want a scheme where Australian women enjoy paid parental leave based on what they actually earn. Women receive their real wage when they’re sick or on holidays so why diminish the contribution of raising children and make light of the inevitable career interruption this brings by paying them the minimum wage only?

Most modern families need two incomes to pay the rent or the mortgage and to keep their heads above water financially. By paying women anything less than their real wage, we devalue family life and put more barriers in the way of women who aspire to both a family and a career.

That’s why I reject any suggestion that the Coalition’s paid parental leave scheme is too generous. Parental leave based on what a woman actually earns isn’t generous – it’s only what’s fair.  It’s that simple.

As many people know, I was a slow and late convert to the idea of paid parental leave. That’s the truth and I don’t try to hide it. In fact, I think it’s proof that good policy can prevail provided the argument stacks up and politicians are big enough to admit getting it wrong. I got it wrong when I earlier opposed paid parental leave.

Personal experience is often the best teacher. Watching friends and colleagues trying to juggle work and family persuaded me that I had to reconsider this issue lest society condemn my daughters’ generation to having fewer life options than their male counterparts.

So I revisited the arguments and changed my mind.

What’s more, the broad framework of what was to become the Coalition’s paid parental leave was outlined in my book Battlelines, which was published months before I became Leader of the Opposition in December 2009. The fact that my paid parental leave change of heart came about before I was elected to lead the Coalition is an inconvenient truth that explodes Labor’s claim that it was a cynical ploy to gain the female vote.

The Coalition’s paid parental leave scheme pays superannuation while the mother is on leave, unlike Labor’s scheme which pays no superannuation. Paying super is essential if we are to try and arrest the growing divide between the retirement incomes of men and women. Our scheme covers the six months duration recommended for breastfeeding mothers while Labor’s scheme covers only 18 weeks.

On every measure, the Coalition’s paid parental leave scheme is better for mothers, families, our community and our economy than Labor’s welfare scheme.

Still, being the better scheme hasn’t made it an easy sell. I have had to fight hard for the Coalition’s paid parental leave scheme against some fierce internal criticism. I’ve always believed that if something’s worth fighting for, fight for it you should. Anything less than a fair dinkum paid parental leave scheme would leave us poorer as a society, an economy and a country and the test of good government, after all, is to leave the country better off than you found it.

Tony Abbott is the Leader of the Opposition and the Federal Member for Warringah.

Do you think there needs to be an inquiry into the child care sector? Do the current paid parental leave arrangements work for your family or do you prefer Tony Abbott’s proposed system? What other issues would you like to hear from Tony Abbott about?

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  1. Ashley

    So, Tony opposed a modest levy for flood victims, but he’s willing to impose a gigantic one just because he happens to be on the nose with female voters (or are we really to believe he’s a convert since saying “parental leave over my dead body”?). And he’s engaging in precisely the same kind of playing around with semantics that he criticised Gillard for (its not a handout, it’s an “entitlement”. It’s not funded by a tax, it’s funded by a “levy”). And how does a scheme that pays over three times more to a millionaire than to someone on the minimum wage qualify as “fair”, precisely???

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    • Goran

      Simple answer is it doesn’t. You get paid paid how much you earn simple. Not happy? Go to uni or study harder

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  2. Guest

    My main question for TA about this is, who is going to fund it – the government, or the employer? Or both. And if both, what is the split? Because this is a very expensive scheme, and highly problematic to fund.

    If left to the employer we would probably start to see some discriminatory behaviour over hiring women of childbearing age, especially small business owners who really can’t afford to pay an absent staff member a full salary for several months. People have actually told me they would have to consider this.

    As for the government, I don’t really see how such a flawed funding model which pays people at vastly different amounts according to their arbitrary salaries can be not only just but also cost effective. Funding a secretary in the mining industry to the tune of double the salary of a secretary in another industry, just because one is disproportionately paid to begin with is not a legitimate or acceptable use of public funds.

    If there is to be split – how will it be done fairly?

    So where is the breakdown? Sounds like pie in the sky to me.

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  3. The wounded bull

    What, no coffee, cake, giggles and group hug photos of Tony at Mamamia HQ. Knock me down with a feather.

    At least you published this, so credit there I guess.

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    • r

      They probably invited him but he must have said NO

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    • cool beans

      You do know that this isn’t the first Tony Abbot written article published here , don’t you ? Geez, some people are just never happy.

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  4. Guest

    Sarah
    I fully agree with you. Why would mothers that are not even working put children into childcare just to have a day of rest! The positions should be for working mums offspring. Also I think welfare recipients get government subsidies to have other people look after there children while they have a nice rest

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    • anon

      I have to agree l can`t see any valid reason for non working mums to be placing children in child care. That is the way they learn by doing the everyday things with mum. Working mums would could then get the places they need.

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      • memyselfI

        yeah, I agree, non working mums don’t deserve a break. How dare I put a child in day care while I look after my twin babies. How selfish of me.

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      • chillax

        Oh please, by that analogy working mums are telling their kids that they would prefer to be earning money than being with them. Thats ridiculous. All parents deserve a break. Being a parent is hard. Many parents go to work because being at home is too hard for them, so why are SAHMs supposed to be matyrs.

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    • r

      All mums are working, some in paid work and others at home.

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      • Guest

        But surely if you are not in paid employment and your partner is the sole bread winner your contribution to the partnership would be to be the child rearer, not spend your husbands hard earned money employing someone else to look after your children.

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  5. Lauren K

    Wow, I’m very unsettled by some of the comments on this article – and the vitriol that has accompanied them!

    There seems to be a lot of very strong opinions on the parental leave funding which I honestly didn’t expect.

    One point that seems to have been missed by many arguing for the same payments for all women is this – what if you are the main income earner? I am in my household which means under the current scheme we are very much stuffed financially if I have a baby. We are not rich, we don’t even own our own home. We are what you’d call ‘middle-class poor’ i.e. we just sit on average for income yet cant afford to have a baby or even buy a house.

    I want a baby desperately and it makes me so sad to know that I am not going to be able to take more than 12 weeks off of work when we have him/her as that’s all we can afford. I just want to be able to be at home for six months. I don’t expect anyone to pay for that but I’ve worked every day since I was 13 years old and never received any Centerlink payments, benefits, subsidies etc so why shouldn’t I have my wage met for that short period of time?

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  6. Will

    So… why did the Coalition criticise the existing government about how to fund the current paid parental scheme, yet seems to have no problem in actually committing more funds?

    NB – I am actually a believer in paid parental leave etc etc, But I am more fed up with both major parties misleading the public with barbed rhetoric that actually is more about destruction rather than “construction” of longterm bipartisan policies that are for the betterment of our society as a whole.
    The Chinese have got it right with their 5 year plan idea.

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    • sarahlm

      The Chinese have got it right, seriously? China is a country where people disappear if they criticise the government. Do you maybe want to rethink that statement?

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  7. grandmother

    I also want to comment , for my daughter to have her baby in day care it is 74 to 81 dollars a day , so over 5 days that is her working wage, she works to put her in day care.. why bother only because she likes working

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  8. grandmother

    I for one have to work nearly full time at the moment , my daughter who recently had a baby is now trying to find a day care to go back to work as the 18 weeks is up alas there is no place for her and is distraught she mighten be able to go back to work as there is no place .. i cant mind her as i have to work to .. seems with the ones over 50 having to work and rest unless your 70 plus and our children trying to find child care is nearly impossible
    As someone said 140k a year who earns that i would love to know most of australians get 50 k a year or less . I for one think this is a great idea to help out our children whether its liberal or labor

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    • Karen

      I believe replacement wage is the best system. People’s living costs etc are usually geared to their wage. The amount you can borrow to purchase a home etc is based on your regular earnings, so when you take parental leave, these costs do not disappear. If your income is suddenly reduced this puts pressure on the family, often at a time when they are coping with adjusting to a newborn. As for the child care issue, Mr Abbott has also announced that he would have the productivity commission look at child care and more flexible options for people, like in-home care which could help take the pressures off centres in areas where places are scarce.

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      • sarahlm

        Maybe people should think about reducing their costs, instead of expecting other people to subsidise their luxury lifestyles.

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        • chillax

          I do agree with you here. I know its not always possible, or desirable but there are options that people often dont want to look at.
          When we bought our first home, 12 months before we got married and 5 years before we had our first child we only borrowed half the amount the bank would lend us. Sure, that meant it wasnt in the ideal area for us, or a great house, but it was a start. Why? Because we had seen friends borrow the maximum amount available (and then some on credit cards etc..) and then when their first baby arrived their options were limited by financial stress. I didnt want my choices as a mother and how I raise my children to be determined by the size of the mortgage I had to maintain.

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        • Hugh

          I hardly think school fees, mortgage payments and private health insurance are luxury items.

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          • Lulu

            Depends on the size of the school fees, mortage, and insurance.

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          • Lucinda

            Are you serious? I don’t even have private health insurance, never did growing up either. I didn’t go to a private school. Many people never get to a point of being able to afford to buy a house at all – that is a privilege.

            All of the things you have listed are luxury for a lot of people. Perspective, please.

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      • B

        Karen, why should this be the only payment by the government that replaces wages? If you lose your job (far more harrowing financially as families haven’t had 9 months to prepare) you don’t get paid at your previous wage. Seniors don’t get a replacement wage. Disability isn’t paid at their previous wage, etc., etc.
        Having children is a choice that families usually can prepare for. In our case, we didn’t buy a huge house to have an expensive mortgage. We rented for the first two years while we sorted ourselves out as my first son was a surprise. We’ll probably buy a bigger/nicer house when the kids are at an age when I can go back to work. We don’t have investment houses (although we’d like to and hope to have more investments when I return to work). I think people need to be a bit more realistic about their finances instead of wanting the government to fund their lifestyle when they choose to have children.

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  9. Jo

    I disagree with Matilda and those who share the view that a PPL scheme is only ‘fair’ if women receive the same flat rate pay on maternity leave (as is currently the case).

    PPL is a leave entitlement like any other leave entitlement such as annual leave and should be paid in the same way – at an employee’s ordinary wage.

    Take this analogy: my boss takes annual leave to go on ‘X’ holiday and will get paid her wage. I may go on the exact same ‘X’ holiday, but I will be paid my wage. I don’t expect that her pay will come down or mine will go up. The same approach should be taken with parental leave.

    We need to move away from the ideology that parental leave is a lesser or inferior type of leave. Continuing to pay PPL at a minimum wage reduces the value of mother care. Parental leave should be treated like any other leave entitlement. Until that happens we’ll continue to devalue motherhood and childcare.

    This is a sound policy proposal and a step in the right progressive direction.

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    • Lucinda

      This would be a sound argument if PPL leave was proposed to be paid for by the employer. You and your colleage are not paid annual leave and bereavement leave by the government, and further if you both took time off to look after a disabled child, you would both get the carers pension – which is the same. If you stopped working and signed up for newstart allowance, you’d both get the same. Aged pensioners get the same (if they are eligible for the full amount) whether they earned 200k or 45k when they were working. The government does not pay out more money the more wealthy someone is in ANY OTHER scheme and people are fools if they think this is what Tony Abbott is trying to achieve. There is always a catch.

      I am almost certain he wants to foist it onto the employer which will send businesses broke and encourage them to discriminate against women of child bearing age during the recruitment process and will put women further back. I support the government part funding PPL – the same funding for everyone, or a certain percentage of pay depending on income bracket – and the employer funding the rest. 6 months maternity leave would be wonderful, I just don’t believe TA has considered how he is going to implement it.

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      • Michelle

        There is no evidence that TA wishes to discriminate against working women and no evidence that TA wishes to put the cost of maternity leave on employers.

        It is easy to mount an argument against someone if it is made without reference to fact.

        You compare PPL to any other scheme; TA makes the case (well IMO) that PPL is unlike any other government scheme and that there is a public interest in ensuring that families from across the spectrum continue to have children.

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        • Lulu

          It was Jo who said “PPL is a leave entitlement like any other leave entitlement” – Lucinda was just pointing out that it isn’t, because the other leave entitlements are paid by the employer not by the state.

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        • Lucinda

          I didn’t say TA did want to discriminate against working mothers. Which comment did you read?

          I said, PPL is NOT like other schemes and matching wages should not be paid for by the state when so many other Australians are heavily disadvantaged. I think if anything it SHOULD be paid for by the employer. But, that of course, if it was, it could lead to discrimination by employers. I stand by my comments.

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          • chillax

            As a family who own a small business I really dont believe it should be funded by the employer.
            When I had my children I left my job and we funded the choice to have children ourselves.
            To think that any employees of our business who may choose to have kids in the future will have that leave also funded by my family is really hard to swallow. A families choice to have a baby is not the responsibility of their employer to fund and if this were the case I’m certain most small businesses would avoid the recruitment of women under 50. Small business simply cant afford such measures.

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  10. Sarah

    The whole child care scheme needs an overhaul. My daughter has been on a waiting list since 8 weeks in utero – she is now nearly 9 months. I have been told I may have a place for two days a week in February. My son has also been on a waiting list for two years for the same centre with no place in sight. I always thought that children of working parents had priority over those who didn’t. I have been told by a staff member that more than 60% of children in care at this particular centre only have one working parent and most mothers put their child(ren) into care to get a break. It’s a joke and a disappointment that this occurs.

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    • chillax

      I’m sorry you have been unable to find care for your children, but the other families in your centre are no less entitled to childcare. All parents deserve help and support.

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    • bec

      chilcare centres are supposed to give places to working parents over parents that are not working so if 60% of parents sending kids to your childcare centre aren’t working then the centre needs to review their enrolments!

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  11. guest

    Here is an idea

    Don`t have kids until you can afford them

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    • Daisy

      Here’s an idea……

      ensure women’s work roles and opportunities are paid EQUALLY for the duration of their lifespan.

      Or even better, understand that having babies is a natural part of the lifespan for most women in the community, and supporting people to get back to work might actually save money (especially by retirement age)

      But hey, this might need to be researched ….. Oh yeah it has!
      (Nb. the final part of the comment is written in the font ‘sarcastica’!

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  12. Leigh Forsdyle

    As an early childhood educator I am appalled by the lack of acknowledgement of my profession in your statements. Yes, more flexible child care options should be available. Yes, there is a shortage of places and this needs to be remedied. However without renewed support and professional acknowledgement of early childhood educators neither of these issues will improve.

    My colleagues are exiting the sector in droves, leaving the industry with high staff turn over and lower skilled staff, both of which put our nations children at extreme disadvantage. Yes, working mothers deserve choices when it comes to their career, however do the children get to choose just how many carers they attempt to form bonds with in the space of six months? Do they understand why their favorite teacher had to leave? Or are they possibly at a disadvantage once they reach school age as a result of the lower skilled carers they were left with due to higher skilled educators being unable to sustain a lifestyle within the industry?

    I’ve dedicated my life to the well being of children…eventually I would like a wage that allows me the opportunity to afford to raise my own. Change must come, however a fair change must include the well being of all involved; the early childhood educators that are expected to support and maintain a quality “flexible” scheme but most importantly the children who have no choice but to live and attempt to flourish within it’s bounds.

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  13. Craig

    My wife and I have 3 kids. She would like to get back to work but the issues are

    1) Price is too high, unless you earn at least $60k it won’t cover child care (and related expenses)

    2) Employers are inflexible, this is in the IT industry with a culture of overtime.

    Availability of childcare is not a real problem if you can give a few months notices.

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    • sarahlm

      Trying again, since my comment again seems to have been eaten by the spaminator.

      Craig, why would you assume that it’s your wife’s wage that needs to cover child care costs? Aren’t they your kids too? Don’t you also need them cared for in order for you to be able to go to work?

      So why wouldn’t you calculate it as coming half out of your salary, half out of your wife’s? If she would like to get back to work, how is it fair if you assume it’s HER wage that needs to cover child care costs??

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      • Kris2040

        Why wouldn’t you work it out that way? They have been going on his wage. Hers would be extra to what they’ve been getting by on, so it does become a cost out of her wage – it’s not something they’re paying for now, but if she is earning her wage, it will be.

        Craig’s comment about “a few months notice” is laughable for my region though – unless you take “a few months” to be 26 months!

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        • sarahlm

          At the moment, he’s getting child care with no outgoing cost, because his wife’s providing it at home. If she goes back to work, it’s pretty obvious to me at least that the outgoing cost of child care should be calculated as coming from both their wages, not just hers. They’re not just her kids. Unless child care is solely women’s work, why should it be calculated as solely coming out of the woman’s wages??

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          • chillax

            But surely most families work to improve their bottom line? If they are actually worse off financially after mum returns to work and taking childcare expenses into account there really is no point in mum returning to work, unless she is working for reasons other than financial. Which doesnt appear to be the case.

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          • Emma

            Yes, they are his kids too but for them to justify his wife goiing back to work and therefore spending time away from the children and home etc it very much makes sense that her wage covers they childcare costs. if it doesn’t they would be even more out of pocket and therefore what would be the point in her going be to work?

            From a financial perspective this make a lot of sense…

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          • Kris2040

            Sarah, no-one is suggesting that the childcare is the woman’s responsibility. Clearly I’m not the only one who can see that it’s something they aren’t paying for at the moment, and are on his wage. If his wife goes back to work, the extra income and expense is around her wages. It’s not an anti-feminist plot. It’s just logical that the new expense of childcare will also come with the new income of his wife going back to work. And it’ll still cost the same whether they keep their pay separate or combine it, so I don’t understand what your problem is with this?

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        • chillax

          Yep! For childcare for a child under 2 in my area is impossible. Apart from maybe an odd day here or there.

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      • Hugh

        Because Craig’s wage is paying the mortgage and the bills at the moment.

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    • Jason

      Craig – back to my point below about having an au pair. Childcare centres are not working for many families because they are either full, or just too expensive. They also sting you on fees if you are 15 minutes early or late…

      Of course au pairs are not for everyone, as not everyone has a spare bedroom in the home, and not everyone wants someone living with them.

      Just saying they fix the flexibility and cost problem. Peace out…

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  14. Tess

    I worked in London and the schemes there were realistic and sound more inline with this, your company part funded your leave and I was entitled to 6 months full pay, staggered over 12 months if you decided to take that the full 12. Why is it not fair to be based on you salary. It is pretty much set that the position and salary you are on prior to having children is your limit, good luck cracking that!

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    • Guest

      The statutory maternity pay in the UK, funded by the government, is 90% of your salary for the first 6 weeks, then £135/week for the next 33 weeks (total 39 weeks). So it’s only a fraction of one’s salary. Unless your employer has its own maternity scheme (as you said).

      Most of them don’t though, you were lucky.

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  15. Sparkly

    While PPL is invaluable, childcare is still such a mess that it can making returning to work after leave next to impossible, so what’s the point? They BOTH have to be addressed if women are to be able to fully participate in the workforce.

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  16. Cassandra

    I don’t think this is anything more than some smoke and mirrors attempting to get us to ignore the workforce crisis for Educators. The only outcome I see for his “flexible” Childcare solution is even poorer conditions for early childhood educators who are already over worked and under paid.

    Mr Abbott has already made clear that he does not support educators and their fight for equality, I believe the only way to make progress in this area is for Labor to be reelected and for us to MAKE SOME NOISE. It is all well and good to sit here and whine on a forum, but if we actually want to make a difference for families, children and educators alike, it’s time to complain to the people who can make a difference!

    It is fantastic that Labor was progressive enough to finally make Parental Leave a reality in this country, and Abbott’s mockery of the scheme is another example of politicians insulting each other rather than listening to their people and doing what is actually best for them.

    I do not look forward to the coming election campaign and all the ridiculous pandering and election ‘promises’ on both sides, this is a sure sign of what is to come…

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    • Michelle

      It’s great that you’re passionate about education and interested in politics but you’re post appears to me as riddled with partisan bias; which is ironic considering your lament about the state of politics in your final two paragraphs.

      You give credit to Labor for PPL, but then deny that the Coalition is going to do anything on PPL, let alone introduce a more generous scheme.

      This article is TA’s PPL policy, maybe we should focus on the issue of PPL rather than branching into those areas it would appear that you would like to agitate for.

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  17. Matilda

    I really can understand his argument for paid maternity leave at the Mum’s full wage. But what I can’t understand is how that would be fair to all Mums. If I (an Admin assistant) was to take maternity leave under Abbott’s proposed scheme I would get leave at my wage of 45k. However if my boss was to have a baby and take maternity leave under the scheme she would get her X amount (no idea how much but im guessing a lot more than me!) when we are both doing the same thing of having a baby. In some cases it isn’t the same eg the baby or Mum has health problems – But these cases should have separate dedicated support systems in place.

    Call me leftist but I think all Mum’s should receive an equal amount of Maternity leave from the Government.

    Also i’m not sure where I read this, maybe on another forum. But I heard that Abbott’s maternity leave plan requires businesses and company’s to pay money out of their own pockets. I’m not sure if i can believe in that happening in my time. Does anyone else know about the funding of this plan???

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    • Lucinda

      I’m with you Matilda. I am a very proud bleeding heart leftie and I see through this scheme. I can’t see where the equity is in it or how it helps a childcare industry that is cracking, or the average struggling person get ahead.

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    • Kylie2

      It’s not really about fairness to all mums. It’s about the fact that a lot of skilled baby boomers are reaching retirement age, there is a shortage of skilled professionals with particular qualifications coming.
      At a macro level it’s a waste to have people with rare capabilities at home raising a couple of kids when that work can be done by relatively less qualified workers. If an admin assistant takes 5 years off to raise kids there will usually be plenty applicants who can fill the role. If an engineer drops out of the workforce you have to compete with all the other employees for the few who are qualified.
      I work for a corporate which pays 18 weeks of parental leave at the parents’ salary. Usually the more you earn, the harder and more expensive you are to replace so it makes economic sense to hang onto the talent you’ve already recruited.
      It’s not about compensating mums for staying at home, but encouraging them not to stay home for too long!

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      • Matilda

        Hi Kylie, Thanks for your reply! You put it into perfect words what one half of my brain is thinking. But then the other half is wondering about the funding for this! It’s fantastic that your employer has that scheme going, but what needs more discussion is how this will be funded. There are i’m sure a lot of places happy to fund this type of scheme and a lot who won’t be happy.

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      • chillax

        And this is where it shows how undervalued parenting is. An educated mother is best placed raising her children. However society only respects her if she uses her skills to help the economy and outsources her parenting.

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    • Giraffe

      Matilda can you elaborate further on why you think it should be equal for all women and not relative to how much they earn?

      I think that if there must be/will be a PPL scheme the fact that someone has worked hard to get the wage that they’re on should be reflected by other rewards.

      Reading this comment it sounds like an attack on you but please don’t think that it’s just that I have seen your point of view replicated a couple of times and wanted more thoughts on why it should be a blanket amount.

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      • Matilda

        Hi Giraffe

        Basically because I don’t think the government can afford it and I don’t think many employers will be putting their hands up to pay for it. I think that if this is what the majority of women want they are really going to have to fight for it…Just like everything else has had to be fought for.

        I also think that people on a higher income are in a better off financial situation to afford look after their children so think that the government should be directing the money towards the childcare system.

        I also agree with Kylie’s comment above, in her case her employer is paying for the scheme. But small to medium sized business might not be able to afford this and i’m worried that it would lead employers to discriminate against women. –Not that i think that is a reason not to do something but an issue that will need to be looked at if this is brought in at a business’s expense.

        But don’t worry I don’t think its an attack on me personally. I guess you could say im sitting on the fence but i’m falling to the left side!

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        • Karen

          I believe that Mr Abbott has said at the last election that the scheme is to be funded by a levy on big business

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        • Michelle

          I agree that this Labor government cannot afford the PPL scheme proposed by TA.

          However, any objective person must concede that the Coalition has a history of running prudent, fiscally responsible budgets.

          I have confidence in the ability of a Coalition government to deliver a PPL scheme which research shows produces economic benefit.

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    • chillax

      And Matilda, lets not forget the SAHM who is earning nothing but still doing the same job caring for her baby. Shouldnt she be entitled to the same amount as well? Considering her husband pays tax.

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      • sarahlm

        No, because PPL is designed to get parents back into the workforce after having kids, thus benefitting productivity etc, not to pay women for staying at home and caring for a baby. Women who stay home get the baby bonus to help cover the costs of a new baby, but don’t get paid to stay home.

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        • chillax

          Not all parents qualify for the baby bonus.
          PPL is paying parents while they take leave and stay at home to care for their baby.

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    • Missy

      I believe it’s to be funded by a levy placed on a number of Australia’s largest employers, similar to the Carbon Pricing.

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      • Anonymous

        So another python squeeze? To use abbots own words

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  18. Kay

    What the flip?!

    So from the tax I pay I would give more money to the well off woman working on a high salary to help her maintain her lifestyle and I would give less to the single mum or Dad working in a minimum wage position!?

    Fuck that! That is so not the spirit in which I want to live. I like the Robin Hood philosophy. Let’s take from the rich and give to the poor.

    I blooming hate the argument that the rich pay more tax, you pay more because you EARN more! Everyone (as of next year) will earn $18 000 tax free then the next tax bracket is taxed at a certain percentage and that percentage jumps up as you enter the next bracket e.g. being on a $150 000 plus salary that portion of what you earn above that tax bracket is taxed at a higher rate! So it is actually completely equal and fair!

    And just for the record I am above minimum wage myself so personally would “benefit” from this scheme but I think it’s ridiculous. I’ve never felt so strongly about an issue and for the first time in my life I will actually be truly concerned if Liberals take power at the next election.

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    • Michelle

      Government does not exist only to help the poor.

      Government also exists to make appropriate regulations. TA and others argue that proper PPL is necessary for economic and social strength.

      I happen to agree.

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  19. Bec

    Child care is crazily unattainable here. You get 18 weeks paid from the government. If you required full time care to go back to work after that 18 weeks was up, where I live you would have had to put your childs names down 18 months before you concieved. I know people who have been waiting on the list at centres for two days a week, and have been waiting for two years.
    I’m lucky that when I got back to work I’ll have both my daughters grandmothers too baby sit, and even then it will only be for a few hours because her father and I will be able to work opposite shifts mostly.

    I don’t mind the paid leave being at minimum wage, but it would be GREAT if it went for longer. I like that Tony wants it to go for 6 months, but I take issue with him saying that 6 months is recommended for breastfeeding. It is recommended that you breast feed for a year. Its just that’s its exclusive breast feeding for 6 months. Would be nice to see some sort of policy on breaks at work to express for those who do return to work. I’m not sure what the law currently is, because I where I work has been pretty flexible with mother expressing whenever they need to, although there isn’t really a place to do it with any privacy.

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    • Faybian

      Actually breastfeeding is reccommended for 2 years.

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  20. Guest

    I do struggle to believe Abbott on this subject. Labor seems to have got the current deal through at a working level. My family and I feel privileged to be a part of this ‘working families’ society. Abbott just never seems to have the methodology to back up his latest populist scheme.

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  21. Jason

    I think there are several solutions to “the childcare problem” in Australia, and those solutions should be targeted to the different family situations / incomes etc. It’s not a one solution problem.
    Childcare centres work for some people. The cheaper they are for people, the better.
    Paid maternity / paternity leave will be good for many – maybe not so good for small business though. It’s a complex discussion that won’t fit in this blog.

    Payments for family carers is another solution that works for some families, again some government paid benefits for these people would be great.

    An option that is well known in Europe, but not so much in Australia is having an au pair. The problem is people just don’t know about them. They are a young person from overseas who lives with you on cultural exchange, does 35-40 hrs of childcare, light housework, laundry, driving, etc. for $150-250 a week. Many families with a spare room in their house can afford one. They are the cheapest form of paid childcare in the country!
    It would be good to see the government promote au pairs in Australia, and even offer a more simple tax system for them.

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    • Mel

      Isn’t that amount of money against minimum wage? We have a nanny for 2 days a week (couldn’t access a childcare centre for those days) and we pay $24 per hour + 9% super. I don’t think it’s fair to pay anyone less than they deserve given their responsibilities.

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      • Matilda

        I have worked as an Aupair in Ireland and Germany, part of the exchange is all food and board plus your pocket money. My family in Ireland provided me with a car as they lived out of town. So I think it works out quite ‘even’ depending on what agreement you come to with the family. But also there are a lot of problems in the systems they have in Europe, there is no regulation so you will find quite a lot of girls are taken advantage of because of the ‘cheap’ labour they provide – in Germany especially.

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    • Violet

      Interesting point. Would be great to hear more about this as an option, and the regulatory options that exist to make it a safe, affordable choice. I think it would be particularly great for families with very young children, as childcare under the age of 2-3 (in my opinion) is not optimal.

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    • LauraS

      We would love to have an au pair, but we can’t afford a big enough home :(

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    • Alex

      Jason the going wage for an au pair is $350-$400 per week, plus board and accom (approx $200 per week for a young lady with a healthy appetite). You need to have the room in your house and not mind having an extra person in your bathroom/fridge/watching tv at odd hrs. Also their visa is a bit restrictive, not sure how long they are allowed to work for one family – and therefore how often you would need to find a new au pair???

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      • Au Pairs

        The going rate in my experience is $200/$250 for full time week. If you only need help with before/after school care it is more like $80 – plus they live in and you pay all those bills, food, board etc.

        Yes, they need to have their own room, which we put a tv/dvd etc and they can generally only stay with the one family for 6 months. We also provide one of our cars and internet access (which is very important).

        The au pair gets a cheap safe place to live and immerse themselves in the family and language (one of their main priorities) – we get help with the kids.

        It is a fantastic solution for anyone who puts in the effort to make it work

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    • Jason

      A lot of good questions and statements made in the replies. I will try and respond to all of them:
      - Against minimum wage? No it’s not. An au pair receives free accommodation and meals – when you add that up, it’s worth quite a lot of money to them. It’s also a cultural exchange, so there is cultural value for both the au pair and the family.
      - Can you get taken advantage of? Of course – you can in every job. Good au pair websites provide guidance on job duties, hours of work, and provide a sample au pair contract so that there is an agreement in place.
      - Wages? Actually there is also a thing called a “Demi Au Pair” this person works for free up to about 20-25 hours plus accommodation and meals. You can pay your au pair as much as you like, but in all cities except Sydney, people generally pay $150-200 a week. In Sydney due to its higher living expense (particularly transport etc.), families typically pay $200-250. Again, you can pay more if you want. Some families choose to provide access to a car, provide a mobile phone, pay for their monthly transport card, or provide other benefits. It’s up to you and the au pair to make an appropriate agreement.
      A couple of good websites to visit are http://www.thebestaupair.com (in the Mamamia business directory under childcare) and http://www.aupair-australia.net (an au pair agency – so there are agency fees) – these are both Australian companies.

      Australia does not have an official au pair program like some countries in Europe, and in the US. It would be good to have one that was easy to use, and devoid of red tape … (just saying….)

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  22. Guest

    Childcare spaces where l live a scarce because single mothers on welfare put there children in them for a few dollars a day and don’t even go to work, some just go to the local pub. Hence there is not enough spaces for the working mums when they really do need them.

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    • Violet

      I do find that difficult to believe. Sometimes it can feel and look like other people are living it up when we are struggling, and there is always the odd person that gets more by doing less, but it certainly is not the majority. The single parent pension is not a road paved with gold. All the best to your family.

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  23. Jes

    I fully agree with paid maternity leave, especially for lower income families, but what about single income families like mine? We subsidise other people’s childcare. I can’t claim the same money to look after my three myself, if I am not working I don’t get paid maternity leave.
    The system should be fairer to single income families.

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    • Anonymous

      But why would you need leave, paid or not, from a job you don’t have?

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    • sarahlm

      You choose not to work, which is fine, your choice – but why would you expect the government to subsidise you? They subsidise child care because it helps parents to get back into the workforce, which helps the economy – not out of some sense of altruism.

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      • chillax

        But parents like Jes are saving the government money by not using childcare facilites and claiming childcare rebates. Besides paying for childcare is a parental responsibility – if they are not providing that care themselves, they have to pay someone else to do it for them.

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  24. Kelly

    To quote Tony Abbott… No.

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  25. goose

    As someone who would benefit quite well from this type of scheme (i.e. high-ish salary), I think this is utterly ridiculous. I don’t expect to get more back from the government than someone who earns less than me – in fact, if anything I expect to get less! Yes I am educated and work hard – I also have the ability to save money in preparation for having kids. That is something many low-income earners couldn’t afford. Hence, they need the help more than me.
    Are we really all so selfish as to expect to get more government benefits if we earn more? Aren’t we supposed to look after those less fortunate than ourselves, not always put ourselves first?
    Or am I just naive to think there are people that would care for those less fortunate?

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    • David

      This is utter tripe. Labor’s scheme awards a minimum wage for all. Abbott’s scheme would award a minimum wage for the lowest income earners (based on a replacement wage). Are you then opposing all maternity leave schemes? Of all the criticisms you could throw at the scheme this would have to be the worst.

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    • Anonymous

      So refreshing.

      I would probably be better off under the libs but I want a government that looks after those with less and prioritises health, education and disability.

      I use Gina Rinehart as my litmus test. Does Gina support Tony?

      Yes. Will then I don’t.

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    • LauraS

      Although they would never admit it, governments are very concerned about the fact that educated women are having a lot less children than average, and having them much older. Providing maternity leave at replacement wage provides a higher incentive for higher income earners to have babies. Thats not to say that how much you earn is a direct indicator of your education or intelligence, across the whole population there is definitely a correlation.

      This is not about ‘helping families’, it’s about incentivizing behavior. And from that stand point, this policy makes more sense than that labor one.

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  26. Anna

    I voted for Abbott at last election entirely on the basis of his paid parental scheme.

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  27. Bradley

    Ah…..Tony !

    You tried, even though you knew that you were stepping right into the heart of enemy territory.

    Plaudits for having the guts to do so.

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  28. Anonymous

    Scrap middle class welfare, do not add to it. Eradicate tax evasion of the rich, increase tax on those earning in excess $250K, get rid of fuel excise, stop funding religion & re legislate the MRRT.

    Gonski & NDIS more important than paid parental leave.

    LNP has no other costed policies, this policy will incur an additional tax on companies.

    Suggest all Australians read and learn about the recent political consequences of LNP power in QLD, a “mini” version of Tony Abbott’s intent.

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    • PK

      Anonymous – It’s a shame you can take one of the (very) few good news stories in politics today and feel that this is your place to rant.
      Well done Tony – stick to your guns on this.A great plan that will increase participation in the workforce – something to benefit all Australians.

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    • Polly

      Without commenting on your main view, just pointing out most tax evasion occurs with low and lower-middle income people – those that can work for cash.

      And many of those hiding their true income can compound the problem by claiming “middle class welfare”.

      Nothing is ever as simple as you would like it to be.

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      • zabie

        Actually it also goes on all the time and at a much larger scale among the wealthy who can get their accountants and lawyers to devise clever avoidance schemes like offshore investment

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        • Polly

          Tax evasion and tax minimisation are not the same thing – for starters, one is legal and the other is illegal.

          The vast majority of those who employ accountants and lawyers are doing everything legally.

          Those in the cash economy are not declaring income and not paying their share of tax – illegal.

          Merely pointing out that no issue is simple. We would all like “world peace” but just telling everone that they have to get along is not going to do it.

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          • zabie

            I know the difference between evasion and avoidance but they have the exact same impact. It’s just that with avoidance the taxpayer is being tricky enough to find a loophole. It’s still contrary to the spirit and purpose of our tax system.

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            • Polly

              Please note that I said tax minimisation, not tax avoidance.

              And are you going to tell me that you do not claim your medicare rebate, your tax free threshold, etc, etc? All perfectly legitimate “loopholes”.

              Most “loopholes” are designed to influence behavoir. Again – issue = not simple.

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          • sarahlm

            You’re actually quite mistaken – tax avoidance is absolutely illegal. Have a look at Part IVA of the Tax Act.

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            • Polly

              See comment above.

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    • Anonymous

      Oh Sir…

      As someone who lives in QLD, i much prefer Financial Conservatism than ‘open the wallet and let the notes fly out’ Labor policy any day… Labor spent millions on pink batts, millions on school halls, millions on more commisions, more red tape and more public service workers… All of those millions; now billions; would fund this PPL scheme for 50 years…

      The RICH employ people… I am not rich.. But i know rich people that give millions to charity, employ people in stable workplaces and contribute to society…

      If you want to know what Labor stand for… 50 people work in a business.. So Labor believes that EVERY person in that business does the same amount of work and should be paid the same… So here comes a binding EBA… That makes it harder for people to be paid more if they are worth more.. And gives a leg-up and an unfair dismissal system to to bloke/woman that just does the same-old same-old..

      I could go on for days… Needless to say, Abbott wants to give women value.. Why should women be penalised for being Mothers… They should at least be helped out…
      It’s much the same as the disabled.. They shouldnt be penalised for being disabled, they should be helped…

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  29. Anonymous

    A truly lovely family. If he applies the same principles and care to running the country as he has to his family, I’ll be very happy.

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    • PTA

      Yes, Tony Abbott is so caring that he went out and played Rugby while Margie was in hospital going through Labour. Thankfully for Margie, Tony did manage to turn up for the birth.

      That’s how caring our Tony is.

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      • Crossfitter

        My dad was out surfing when Mum was in labor , that’s what men did in those days. I’m actually quite offended by your insinuation that men didn’t care about their wives and children my Dad certainly did – and does, and clearly so does the leader of the opposition.

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        • sarahlm

          His daughters are only in their late teens/early 20s – you can’t seriously suggest that “those days” are as recent as the 1990s! My dad was at both my birth and my sister’s, in the 70s!

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  30. Violet

    My mother is the Director of a long day care centre. She manages over 23 staff, is responsible for the care of children in over 100 families, in responsible for a huge budget, often works long hours and has huge responsibilities to ensure the care and safety of the children at all times. She earns $50,000 and is at her absolute peak in the childcare industry. She is a trained teacher and trained early childhood educator (Masters degree). On what planet it this okay? I do wonder what the opposition plans to do to improve the situation. How many of you would take on such responsibility for less than double or triple that salary? It is a national scandal.

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    • rachy

      Oh my. Wow. That is truly atrocious. An admin person in the public service who is not allowed to make a decision in their day is paid that much. Your mum is doing an amazing job that requires a lot of organisation. And she is educated at a high level. That role should be paid MUCH more.

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    • taraandmike

      The staff might be earning peanuts but the owners are raking it in. I know two people who own child care centres and they both have shitloads if money. Regulate staff pay as the money is there its just not going where it should

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    • Lucinda

      This is exactly why I (a fresh new education graduate) and every other trained teacher is bailing out of the childcare industry or refuses to touch it with a ten foot pole. Why is your mother still there if she has a masters? I can’t think of anywhere I’d rather be less, than stuck in a childcare centre next year.

      The childcare industry is screwed. The childcare based teacher award is rubbish. No graduate is going to settle for what is on offer unless they can’t get a job in a school which starts at about 57-60k. The government’s policy to have trained teachers delivering kindy programs in childcare is going to fail spectacularly because no teachers want to work in childcare and if they end up there they will either not be passionate about the early years or they’ll be teachers who couldn’t cut it in schools. It is a joke.

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      • Violet

        My mother works for a charity who run a childcare centre – so no one is raking it in – the fees are no cheaper though. I often ask why she’s still there – she is thinking of going into teaching (remember in childcare you only get 4 weeks holiday too) but is passionate about providing quality care to under 5′s. Crazy i say!!!

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    • JustMe

      Why don’t you ask Kate Ellis??…..oh wait , I believe MM did try to a few months ago (and the PM too from memory) but she did her usual avoidance routine. Good luck to your Mum, these workers deserve so much more.

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      • Kris2040

        God those posts were frustrating! I asked about the JET subsidy which I currently use and as an answer I got a blurb saying how FAB it is, when I had already said that it’s good but could it be administered differently.

        I still think day care should be attached to public schools, and funded with schools. Imagine the $$$ they’d save by cutting out all the different rebates and stuff. They could pay the educators and teachers a decent wage!

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        • Essen

          Such a good idea! Would mean too that parents wouldn’t have to do double drop off.

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        • chillax

          Preschool funding is completely ignored in all of this too! Not all kids go to day care, the traditional community preschool needs a funding/rebate revamp too.

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          • Kris2040

            My point in the Kate Ellis things was that they carry on about how super duper important the Early Years are, and how much they respect the sector, blah blah blah, but it gets treated as a luxury. So, if it’s so important, treat it that way.
            Yes not everyone uses childcare when their kids are little, but it does become more as the kids get older. It does need to be easier to get as it is a necessity for many people. Two year waiting lists for under 2s is ridiculous.

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  31. Anonymous

    Like, like, like!

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  32. Cee

    Hi Mamamia, just curious but why do you keep changing the photos that accompany this story?

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    • Natalia

      The original photos were quite old so we updated them with more recent photos of the family. Thanks!

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      • Anonymous

        Thanks Nat, I was just curious if TA had asked for new ones for some reason.

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  33. zabie

    I think it’s strange that Tony Abbott calls Labor’s policy more like a ‘welfare scheme’ than a ‘workplace entitlement’. Shouldn’t it be the other way around given that, under Labor, leave is to paid by the employer and under Liberal it is paid by the government? What other workplace entitlement comes out of tax dollars?

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    • Anonymous

      Leave is paid by the government through the employer at the moment – ie: government pays employer, employer pays employee. Just n extra unnecessary step in my opinion.

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      • Karen

        as a payroll officer, one of our staff went on the gov PPL and centrelink were very slow in processing the application and commencing payments. Our worker was getting desperate waiting for the payments to commence, (because they are told it is paid from the employer, they expect it to continue straight on fromtheir last pay) and it took 4 weeks. I asked centrelink couldn’t I just start paying her early and then get the money from them, but they said if I do that I risk losing that money if her application is not approved and they advised against it. This girl was only on under 40K, so it’s not as if she had lots of extra money saved up to keep her going. It was very annoying for me as I had to chase them up for her and I got all the calls asking where the money was. Another example of business paying to administer a gov program

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    • Anna

      Mine gets paid directly to me, not through my employer.

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    • Cathy

      Leave is paid by the government, often through the employers payroll but each and every $ comes from the government.

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  34. GM

    Dear Mr Abbot,

    While it’s all well and good you want to provide more flexible hours of Early Childhood care and Education for families, have you considered the effects on the child care educators? As an educator who is studying a degree part time and working full time I find it hard to forsee these flexible hours actually working without the federal government subsidising our wages. We need to be paid with professional wages, only then can flexible cerly childhood care and education hours be considered.

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    • Anonymous

      As a childcare worker myself I agree with this 100%. I have finished a 3 year degree in early childhood (in 2010) and am currently paid $22.58 an hour for my qualification….What a joke. I am finishing off the 4th year in my degree so that I can work as a teacher and get paid a ‘decent’ wage to support my family. I would prefer to work with younger children but until my wage can support my family I can’t continue to make the sacrifice.

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      • SuziQ

        I agree. I hope you are supporting the Big Steps Campaign, Tony. Professional wages for our early childhood educators!

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  35. J

    As a childcare worker myself (and a mother to 3 young children) I am curious to know if the current rebates and benefits that are being used within a childcare centre would be lessened to cover the cost of including other more ‘flexible’ childcare arrangements. If you are planning on bringing extra funding to the industry that is great but if you start taking away from what is already set up people like myself will be leaving the industry that is already in crisis (regarding childcare wages and keeping quality staff) as to be at work would not benefit my family finanically at all.

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  36. zabie

    I’m all for paid parental leave but I don’t like Liberals’ policy.
    The problem with paying women what they earn is that it’s inequitable. Women earning high incomes who are already well-off, probably highly educated and leading affluent, privileged lives, do not need to receive more money from the government than lower paid working women. More assistance should go to those who need it most, not less.

    Labor’s policy, based on the minimum wage and =more stringently means-tested, is much fairer.

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    • Anna

      And of course Labour’s policy is paid for by those high income earning mums, so is even more fair… right? Sounds like good old fashioned socialism to me.

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      • zabie

        I agree, it does sound like socialism, but so what? Why shouldn’t those who can afford to, give more? And why shouldn’t those in more need, receive more assistance? I don’t see anything wrong with that and think it would lead to a much more equal society

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        • hello

          I agree Zabie.

          I am in a higher income bracket and I don’t think I need the government paying more for me while I am on mat leave, as I currently am.

          I think that money should go to single mothers. health care or education for those who really need it.

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        • Jay

          I dont see why they should,

          why should someone more well should be forced to pay more and less bang for their buck, they would have a higher mortage or higher rent than someone on lower-income they still need to pay that, just because they are well off doesnt mean they dont have bills,

          I honestly think this robin hood menality needs to stop, oh btw im apart of the middle class who is saving for my own home so im not eactly rich i sit just above the average wage about 42k.

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      • goose

        Since when is socialism a bad thing?
        Did you go to uni? I love that we have highly subsidised unis, and access to youth allowance that means that no matter how rich or poor your parents are, you can afford to go to uni.
        Have you ever been to hospital or been to see a doctor? Also highly subsidised, meaning you don’t have to save up before having surgery or not have that medical treatment after all.
        Both very socialist policies, both I believe make Australia a great place to live.
        Some of the happiest countries in the world – Norway, Sweden, Finland – have extremely socialist policies and pay about 60% tax. And they don’t care! They are the happiest people in the world. They PAY people to go to uni! Meaning an overall better educated society – always a good thing. You don’t need personal wealth when education, medical treatment, even housing is heavily subsidised.
        I personally think socialism is great.

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        • JustMe

          Do you want to pay my $20,000 h
          HECS bill?, as last time I looked it wasn’t subsidised , they still expect me to pay it if and when I earn over a certain amount. Whose housing is subsidised? Certainly not mine, my bank account is telling me I still owe $280,000 on my mortgage. And medical treatment may well be subsidised but tell that to my great aunt who has been waiting now for 18 months for a hip replacement needed for chronic osteo arthritis. Sounds like a great utopia though Goose, keep dreaming….

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          • Jen

            But, Just Me, the point is that you still get to go.

            The government effectively grants you a no interest loan, which yes, you have to pay back once you start earning enough money. The also provide subsidised child care. These things, plus the family tax benefits, allowed me, as a young single mum to work full time and put myself through uni and move on to achieving a high income now.

            So yes, while I do wince everytime I see how much tax I pay, I am happy to continue contributing to my country to ensure other people who were in a tight spot like I was have the opportunity to improve their lives if they want to.

            I am sorry about your Aunts hip but in other countries (the US for example) people watch their children die because they don’t have insurance and as such can’t afford the medical treatment they need.

            Things mightn’t be perfect here but they are pretty bloody good.

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          • Jenomi

            JustMe, your HECS debt only represents a fraction of your actual education costs. You are benefiting from quite a nice subsidy.

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    • Lou

      Do you know Qld Labor paid women working in government 14 weeks (increased from 12 weeks) at their full pay? Not sure about the other states but I would guess it is similar? But Labor doesn’t agree with full wage replacement at the federal level? Why the difference?
      This means your ‘highly educated women leading affluent , privileged lives’ are getting paid by the state at their real wage ie. a public doctor gets paid their full wage as does the junior admin officer. I haven’t ever heard anyone complaining about inequality where women are going on mat leave.

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      • zabie

        I guess partly in order to be able to afford to provide it to everyone, not just public servants?

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      • Sarah

        SA state gov is 16+ weeks depending on years of service – well was last time I checked…

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    • Anonymous

      Totally, totally, totally disagree.

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    • Lauren

      Women who earn more are also paying more in tax.

      I’m on a below average income but even I think that a woman should receive her actual wage as paid parental leave.

      How is a person on a high income expected to be able to pay off their mortgage/expenses if they only receive the minimum wage?

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      • zabie

        So people who actually are earning the minimum wage should be subsidising wealthier families’ ability to afford expensive houses, while they themselves receive less? Here, migrant family with no qualifications you only pay $200 week rent to live in that dingy one bedroom flat – you don’t need much to cover that!

        But wealthy couple living in Mosman mansion, how on earth will you keep up with your $1000/week mortgage if we don’t give you extra?

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        • Duck

          And what about everyone in the middle Zabie!? Comparing someone on the minimum wage to someone living in a mansion is ridulous – what about all the other women who has worked hard to achieve their current wage – why should they be penalised!? This is about providing a more level playing field for women. Obviously men can’t have children. Paid maternity leave provides women with income while they are taking the necessary time to have and care for their children ensuring they ‘keep up’ with their male counterparts. Having maternity leave paid at actual rates (or preportion or actual rates) as well as paying super is critical to ensuring this. Women are already paid less for doing the same role, we can’t afford to also lose income and super for this biologically necessary time!

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          • zabie

            I don’t think it’s ridiculous to think about how the scheme will affect people at either end of the spectrum, plus it highlights the point I’m trying to make about inequity

            At the middle of the spectrum, where the majority of people sit, some assistance is great but still I don’t think the average middle class family should receive more help than poorer families, or less than more well-off families.

            I agree it’s about creating a level playing field – Liberals’ policy does the opposite.

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      • Ladybug

        Unsure why taxpayers should be funding peoples massive mortgages because they want time out to have kids. My partner and i bought a cheaper house in a cheaper suburb so we could afford for me to take time off when we had kids. For the record, i was earning a 3 figure salary pre babies.

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    • CaramelloKoala

      Women who have a higher level of education (and as such are more likely to be earning high salaries) on average have less children than women who earn less. Lower paid/average waged women are more likely to have children, so they’re the ones benefiting from this policy, and it actually benefits them more than Labor’s policy, as instead of getting the absolute minimum wage (which is about $600ish a week, from memory), they have a chance to get their real wage so they won’t be lagging behind in bill etc when they have a baby. It’s incredibly smart policy.

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  37. mickie

    Paid maternity leave = great
    Flexible childcare = fantastic
    I would like to return to full time work (instead of the part time hours i work now) If I could pay an in home carer/nanny this would be possible for me. Maybe not the same rebates as normal childcare, but would be great to be able to claim the cost against tax.

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  38. future nurse

    That is great Mr Abbott. While you “think” about it this is what is really happening in Australian families… We are going broke paying for childcare fees that are so high that even with government help we struggle to pay our bills and put food on the table.

    I am currently at Uni so I can upskill and reenter the workforce. My children are in childcare so I can do this. It was my choice and while there are benefits they are not financial.

    But now I am staring down the barrell of not being able to be emplyed full time because of inflexible childcare hours. Hours that are great for 9-5 workers but not shift workers.

    Tell me what am I suppose to do when I have a shift starting at 7am or a night shift and my Husband is at sea with no other family to help out? Why is the system so inflexible in times of 24 hour workplaces? My career will suffer and I will put up with it because I have been let down by my Government.

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    • Liv

      As leader of the opposition rather than PM, Tony Abbott can’t do much more at the moment – you have labor to thank for your current situation! Tony was saying in the article that he plans to increase childcare flexibility if he gets elected.

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      • Faybian

        Childcare was no more flexible for those of us needing 24/24 childcare under the coalition. They had over a decade to do something about it.
        I used family day care and was lucky enough to find a lady who was willing to mind my kids overnight or on weekends for quite a few years. Other than at my kids went to my parents, friends and private babysitters. If private babysitters have the proper provider number, childcare rebate can be claimed I believe.

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    • Lou

      Yes, I am in a similar situation except I can’t even get my 22 month old into childcare centre! That is the hardest age apparently? It is very stressful.

      But I don’t think Mr Abbott can do much but ‘think’ about a solution because he’s not PM! I heard the government is ‘in talks’ with the chilcare sector but they seem to want to divide women into different income brackets and divide as ‘important group’ or ‘not important group’ based on wage, hours worked etc. And focusing on qualifications of staff and education of our infants-I would be happy with a nurturing, caring, supportive, safe environment. I’m sure there are lots of wonderful experienced childacre workers that haven’t had a qualification in a long history of caring for children. These people are ‘kids people’, not all university and certifications will ever match these innate traits that make some people have a wonderful natural affinity with children. I don’t mean that in any way to offend people who choose to study these areas because they love kids too but having these requirements for all staff drives costs up.

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      • Kris2040

        Why am I not surprised with your comment about the government wanting to make it a complicated system? Sigh.

        Like I commented above, I think that getting rid of the bureaucracy that everyone has to deal with (punters, childcare providers) with everyone being given different benefits and rebates, link day care to schools and fund it through the Education budget. Bring in Gonski, cut all the bureaucracy, and get teachers and educators on to decent awards. Anything else is just bullshit.

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    • JustMe

      Sorry but why have you been “let down” by the govt???. If you want centres to open 24/7 why not lobby the centres directly, why do you believe this should be government policy? I am a midwife working the same hours as you will be and I had to find somewhere to put my children whilst I work, I didn’t expect the government to force centres to open. The centre I used next to the main hospital in Newcastle opened at 615 for morning shift workers and closed at 11 for those on afternoon shift, I’m sure if you really looked you could find something. Please stop expecting the government to solve all your problems people, we chose to have kids after all!!.

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  39. Sarah McM

    Trying again, as my previous comment seems to have been eaten by the spaminator.

    What rubbed me up the wrong way about this was the assumption that it’s only mums who take paid parental leave (here’s a hint, there’s a reason it’s called PARENTAL and not MATERNITY leave), and that child care is solely the “concern” of “new and expectant mothers”.

    This just reinforces the 1950s view that looking after children is solely the responsibility of the mother. Guess what, Mr Abbott, fathers also work after having children, so child care places are also a concern for fathers. Guess what, Mr Abbott, either parent can take advantage of paid PARENTAL leave to stay home with their babies while they’re small. Thanks for demonstrating yet again why we think you’re sexist.

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    • Jo

      I couldn’t agree more! The whole working assumption of juggling child care being a female issue just grates (particularly where the kids are past the wee baby phase).

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  40. with apologies for my cynicism

    I look forward to Labor being acknowledged for being ‘big enough’ rather than being attacked for changing policy.
    There are many men who bring up children, either alone or as house husbands – should be for ‘parents’ rather than ‘mothers’.
    I don’t think equal pay is really socially equitable, though it’s very enticing. Nor do I think the country can afford it. Last I heard this was somehow to be paid for by companies, which presumably would raise costs.

    This seems like just part of the latest ‘sensitive Tony’ project to me – visit with Margie to Childcare etc. I sincerely hope it doesn’t lead to the current number of ‘news stories’ about Tim Mathieson being reciprocated by stories on Margie who seems charming, (as does Tim M).

    Some of the suggestions in the comments seem to make more sense than the policy.

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  41. Laws for Clouds

    While the maternity leave payment is nice, I’d like to see child care become more affordable. Most families can manage on a reduced income for a few months if they have to, but the cost of child care poses a long term problem that I feel impacts more on women’s work choices.

    My question for Mr Abbott is, what will you be doing to support special needs funding in schools, and education in general?

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  42. Guest

    Although I think it is good to showcase a range of perspectives on here (well done MM) – this story rubbed me the wrong way. It comes across (to me) as though he is using his family to make him seem more female-friendly. I’m not sure, in light of his past behaviour, that I will ever see him as pro women’s rights, and so for me this comes across a little false.

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    • Hannah

      I think he is using his family to indicate that he does understand the pressures of raising children.

      I think you are skewing the interpretation to suit you so you can once again drive home the “Tony is sexist” mantra.

      I’m bored with this arguement, it degrades us as woman to cry sexism all the time…can we PLEASE move on?!

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      • Romney

        Hannah, fantastic response, couldn’t have said it any better!

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  43. Frankie Rose

    There is a childcare “crisis” because of the huge majority of children now being in daycare instead of parents, mothers or fathers, staying at home to look after their children. Parents don’t want to pay more for childcare, people don’t want to be childcare workers as it doesn’t pay that well… meanwhile more parents go back to work, have more kids, put more kids in to daycare – it seems to me to be a simple numbers game – there are too many kids, not enough places.
    I think it’s really sad that to live in Sydney and own a house or pay some rents, both parents have to work. But sadly, that is the society we created years ago when mortgages became set on two salaries. I have friends that “don’t want to work” but feel they have no choice. I have friends that work because they want to but if they missed that second family holiday in Thailand could probably afford not to.
    Until staying at home with kids is treated with respect and as a contribution to society, most parents, will continue to work. As many say, it’s easier than staying at home with the kids. Unfortunately these days you only get respect as a parent if you are a father in a park with the kids, then everyone stands around and gazes admiringly, whilst whispering “wow, isn’t he amazing”… whereas most mothers don’t get a second glance. Trust me, I have spent countless hours in parks, observing and overhearing conversations.
    Paid parental leave for 6 months still means that there is going to be a crisis with daycare places. It’s a no win situation, unless you are happy to stay at home, spend day after day with your children, do without your “wants” and just budget to pay for your “needs”, probably rent until kids are older and try and keep saving each week. Whenever I hear someone judging me, questioning me, or belittling me for choosing to stay at home I think “hey, at least you can have my kids spots in daycare”.

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    • Dee of Adelaide

      Ah, Frankie. It’s posts like yours that make the premoderation function a requirement!

      I won’t buy into your ‘who gets respect’ argument. It’s one of those things that you can never win, working parents thing SAHPs get the respect for being ‘good parents’ and SAHPs think that working parents get the respect for being ‘good providers/productivity’.

      But what I will address is that you would only go to work to pay for ‘budgetted needs’ and if you have a cent more than that its a ‘want’ and you wouldn’t go to work. I’d work if I was a billionaire who never had to earn another cent. I think its great. I think the balance for our family is great.

      Your argument smacks of no-daycare being superior to daycare. I don’t believe that.

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      • chillax

        I think Frankie’s comment was a a fair account of parenting perceptions today.
        I dont think she was commenting that no daycare is superior to daycare at all. I took from it, that there is a bias towards working parents in every area of life. Stay at home parents are frequently viewed as public enemy no.1, from being labelled lazy, to living off their husbands income and there are regular comments that they should be back at work once their child starts school. We are supposed to accept those comments and not be offended. Yet if we cast a critical eye over our peers who claim a need to be working frantically whilst juggling their parenting, when its actually a desire to pay for luxuries rather than an absolute need we’re being judgemental. It is an argument never to be won.

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      • Frankie Rose

        Dee,
        I’m glad you enjoy your job and by no means meant to sound judgemental of working mums/dads – who, I should say, make up the majority of my friends and family, people that I love and admire for many reasons.
        I thought my post sounded objective but you may have read something in to it. The reference to the Thailand holiday was a quote from a working friend “I work to go to Thailand each year”.

        In reply to your comment I will say that I wouldn’t work if I was a billionaire. I love spending time with my kids. I want to be at home with them. I was a teacher, and I feel that I get to use some of those skills at home with my girls. Apart from the fact that I needed a break from teaching, I really wanted to stay at home with my children. Goodness knows, working two jobs for 12 years straight, it is still hard to not earn any money at the moment but that too shall pass.
        If I was a billionaire I would spend more money but I would still want to be at home with my children as unlike you, I believe that daycare is not a better option for my children. In some circumstances, daycare may be a better option, I do agree with you to an extent there, but I think I am doing an okay job as a mum and that’s because I want to be at home. Some people don’t want to be at home, it can be lonely and monotonous, but then so can teaching so for me, this is still a better option, for me and my kids.
        As for the balance that working provides your family, I commend you on your organisational skills, as even though I am at home 24/7 with my kids and my husband works good hours, I still always find myself wishing I had more time alone with my eldest before she starts preschool next year, as for the washing and general housework I think my working friends all have much cleaner houses than me because their kids aren’t there constantly making a mess.
        I imagine that it makes you a more “balanced” person, having some time out of the house each day as I know when I get the chance to switch off from the kids on the weekend, my mind feels de-cluttered and I too feel more balanced.
        I certainly did not intend to write a post you thought needed moderating??? I hardly have the time to read this site and this is probably only my 6th comment ever so I’m quite shocked to have offended someone!

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        • rachy

          What a great response Frankie. I thought your original post wasn’t too bad either.

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    • Jecoro

      Frankie Rose – Im so tired of this Sydney-centric view. Yes the cost of living in Sydney is high, boo hoo, have you thought about non mining families in mining towns? The shop assistants, hair dressers or teachers who do not earn award wages but have to pay way more for housing (rent or mortgage) and WAY more groceries with limited choices.

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      • Frankie Rose

        Jecoro, I wrote Sydney as that’s where Tony Abbott has his electorate and that’s where I live – I don’t know how house prices/ rents in other areas of Australia compare to salaries. As Sydney is somewhere I have witnessed becoming increasingly more and more expensive, I felt I could comment honestly about it. Not so for Melbourne, Perth, Adelaide,Brisbane, Darwin…etc etc where, now you’ve mentioned it, I agree people are also struggling, but where I have not had any financial experience. And to be honest, no, I wasn’t thinking of non-mining families when I wrote this post. I was thinking of the shortage of daycare places in Sydney.
        I have to say, I haven’t been on this site for a couple of months, rarely comment and now I know why! Are you annoyed because I didn’t specify that all of Australia is expensive?
        As for my Sydney-centric view (??) your post “I’m so tired…boohoo” is just quite snarky and rude.

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  44. Laura

    What about people that have their own business Tony? Will I be included in paid maternity leave if I have to take time away to have a baby?

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    • amyspeak

      Great question!

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    • Bre

      Great question, but I ask this to Julia Gillard as well. Running your own business is a hard slog, but people who do are constantly punished for doing so. We dont get the same benifits as those who work for companies. I would love to see this changed, even if we only got min wage, it would be better than nothing at all!

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      • amyspeak

        There definitely needs to be more policies supporting small business owners. The number of small businesses is growing, but at the moment most people in the sector have part-time employment as well (I assume to help sustain them). Creating more support for us could be a huge boon for the economy (especially if we don’t know what’s happening with the mining boom etc)…not to mention I would VERY much like sick leave and a week or two of paid holidays when I need them!

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      • rachy

        Not sure how it all works but couldn’t you just pay yourself a salary as an “employee” of the business? Then you would be entitled to the paid maternity leave maybe?

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  45. Anon for this

    I earn $140K pa and have had four children. Under this scheme I would be entitled to over a quarter of a million dollars ($280K).

    Now while that would be lovely, I am community minded enough to realise that paying quarter of a million dollars to me, for choosing to look after my own children, is not really in the best interests of this country.

    Meanwhile our disabiled children and their careers are still struggling to get one of the parties to commit to the NDIS on a long term basis….

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    • anon as well

      I’m in a similar boat and although on the surface this sounds fantastic (I’d love my full salary for 6 months), I have 2 worries: 1 – if funded by taxpayers, where is this money going to come from … if I’m just going to be forced to pay more for health insurance (wait, I already pay the max with no rebate) or have a reduction in the childcare rebate (wait, I don’t get that because we use a nanny although will be starting daycare next year) or reduction in tax deductability of medical expenses (wait, that already hit us as well)…seriously, what’s left – where will this $ come from, or 2 – if companies are forced to pay, will they consciously or unconsciously shy away from hiring women of childbearing age (I get that this is parental leave, and could impact companies hiring men as well, but I’m focused on the majority of parental leavers). I’d like to see the tax rates and related info for the countries that provide such a real wage benefit. As mentioned, I’d LOVE this but I want to see how it would actually be funded.

      My company has 10 weeks paid maternity leave at full salary, which is nice but those 10 weeks are not close to how long I plan on taking off (6-7 months) and the policy clearly states that no super is paid in connection wiht maternity leave pay. Maybe a starting point is for companies to pay a lump sum super contribution once a parent returns to work post-parental leave based on salary. At least this is a start addresses a part of the issue.

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      • Megs

        If you get 10 weeks full pay, plus 18 weeks at minimum wage from the gov, that would cover 7 months worth of leave (albeit at not the full wage you’re used to, but it’s a start!)

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    • Girl

      God I love this comment. It’s so nice to hear someone who acknowledges their good fortune and seeks to be fair minded. It’s a nice change from the constant whinging from people who think $140k a year equals poor.

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    • Anonymous

      Actually you would get 280K less the tax that you would still have to pay, as you do when you earn your usual pay. So those on higher incomes will continue to contribute their taxes and those skills that they have which are costly to replace for businesses will not be lost to that business

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  46. Laura

    Hi Tony,

    Thank you. You spoke to me today. I’m a woman in my late twenties and this issue is forefront in my mind as I begin to think about starting a family.

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    • sarahlm

      Before you decide how to vote, you might also like to think about child care funding, hospital funding and Medicare for when your kids get sick, the NDIS if (and I sincerely hope not) your child has a disability, school funding for once your children go to school, the availability of Tafe or Uni once your kids are older if they want to go on to further education, and what sort of a world you want them to live in – fair or not, a world where people get a helping hand, or whether it’s assumed the rich have more to offer so should benefit more.

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  47. Cee

    Dear Mr Abbott

    That’s a very interesting piece that your speech writer has written for you, but you have to remember that women like me, and many smart MamaMia readers, have a good memory.

    We remember the choices you made for (well, against) women when you were Health Minister.

    We remember the outrageous comments you’ve made about women being inferior in leadership.

    We remember the ghastly ‘died of shame’ dig you had at the Prime Minister after the Alan Jones’ comment.

    We know you’re a socially conservative, pro-choice Catholic who lets their religion and their views on women shape their policies.

    The reason you’ve made this decision is because your advisers have told you you must be less anti-Labor policy, and actually make some of your own. This is nothing more than politics as its most basic level, it has nothing to do with you wanting to assist working women.

    I’m sorry but your party, while you lead it, will never have my vote.

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    • amyspeak

      I’m far from a Coalition supporter, but I respect speech writers enough to think this probably wasn’t written by one. There’s far to many grammatical errors (“a women’s” instead of “a woman’s” is just one example that springs to mind) and confusing phrases (ie “which is not only critical for working women, it’s critical for our nation’s.” erm, what??).

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      • Cee

        Yep there are a lot of errors, but I still believe the general feel/words would have been written for Mr Abbott.

        He’s been given very specific advice to appeal to women, but this is just way too transparent.

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      • Anonymous

        Lol! ” There’s far to many grammatical errors (“a women’s” instead of “a woman’s” is just one example” . Don’t you mean too?

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  48. An Idle Dad

    Wait. My previous (unpublished – maybe because it contained a factual error?) comment said that the paid maternity wasn’t actual policy (and just a promise to refer it to a productivity commission), but I just checked and it is actual policy. My bad.

    I’d welcome the whole policy. Every mother is eligible, there is a cap on benefits set at $150K.

    Just a bit of spin spotting though:

    “The scheme that the current government hurriedly cobbled together, only after I’d committed my party to a fair dinkum paid parental leave scheme…”

    Real events:
    September 2008: Rudd announces paid maternity leave as Labor policy, pretty much in its current form

    August 2009: Abbott publishes Battlelines with broad outlines of a paid scheme

    December 2009: Abbott becomes opposition leader.

    In no universe can Abbott support the idea that Labor introduced a paid parental leave scheme because of HIM.

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  49. Anonymous

    He may no always say the right things, (heck I dont think I would either if I had that much pressure on me) but I think this awesome. Because as a liberal voter I vote for the party not just the leader! Do I think Malcolm Turnball would do a better job, yes probably, but Tony Abbott is currently the leader so ill support that!

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  50. whatevs

    Don’t believe it. Stop talking and actually DO something!!

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    • Errrr, he can’t, because his party is not the party in power?

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    • Phary

      Umm… give him your vote at the next election and he might be able to do something about it!

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      • GUEST

        No. He won’t do anything if he is in power. The childcare issue has been around since the 80′s and has not been solved yet. They don’t care about making childcare more affordable or more accessible. It will never happen.

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