by ADAM RICHARD
Yesterday Mamamia published an article by comedian Nath Valvo, who wrote about his experiences at a gay nightclub in Melbourne, The Peel. Nath went to the club with a heterosexual female friend. The pair were required to line up separately to other clientele in a ‘gays with girls’ line and his friend was made to promise not to engage in ‘heterosexual behaviour’ before the two were allowed into the club. Nath was not impressed and you can read his post here.
Today, comedian Adam Richard responds:
Here are some disclaimers: Nath Valvo is a friend, and a frequent guest on my gay comedy and lifestyle podcast The Poofcast. I have been going to The Peel for more than 20 years, and for a time was employed at The Peel to host karaoke and mud wrestling nights. So: I am far from impartial.
Having said that, I feel compelled to say to Nath and his straight lady friend, who had to agree to strict behaviour during a recent trip to said establishment: “Too bad, so sad.” (This, of course, is said with the eye-rolling disregard of a teenager at a train station, who is far more interested in checking her phone for Facebook updates than being involved in a conversation.)

Cutting it up on the dancefloor in a gay club
The community has every right to be outraged by the door policy at The Peel, but by entering the building and encouraging a friend to do so as well – then you’re accepting and condoning the policy. The outrage of sober hindsight is just that, hindsight. We’re human beings. We have choices. We can choose to enter the building or we can refuse and in doing so, refuse to finance the club’s policies with our purchases.
What Nath could have done, is said: “I no longer wish to be a patron of this sexist establishment, and I shall be taking my pink dollar to another homosexual dance venue where my friend of the fairer sex is appreciated and approved of!”
But.
Right about then is when his plans would have become unstuck. There are no more homosexual dance venues. The Peel is it.
Recently, the cast of my tedious podcast went on an ill-advised and wholly inappropriate ‘pubcrawl’ of the gay venues in Melbourne. What we discovered was tragic. Other than gay superclub The Greyhound, in St Kilda, there isn’t really anywhere else to go for a trashy dance and a drink with your gay mates, and all the girls from the call centre where you work.
When I was a wee slip of a thing, fifteen years and fifty kilos ago, I worked behind the bar at a gay establishment, renowned for their elaborate drag shows. It was filled with excitable young girls and their gay besties, many of whom were making their first trepidatious steps outside of the closet. There wasn’t a square inch of space that wasn’t filled with people, all trying to catch a glimpse of an ugly man in an ugly dress mumbling along to a song he clearly didn’t know. As the night wore on, and the secretaries grew weary, the fags and their hags (what hideous terms we have for ourselves and our pals) would part company, and the men would inevitably end up with their tongues down each others’ throats at The Peel.
That was the way of the world, way back when. Many of those clubs are closed now. The gay clientele dried up. Whether it was GPS dating apps like Scruff and Grindr, or the allegedly tolerant society we live in now, who’s to say. Perhaps it was the influx of straight people, who all want a gay best friend these days, and the gay boys stopped thinking of it as their special place. Once a gay man stops frequenting a club, his gaggle of girls will soon follow, and the straight male clients won’t want to stand around there on their own. Someone might think they’re gay! Before long, your favourite gay pub is reduced to three barflies and a bored twink behind the bar polishing glasses, and then it’s gone.
Whatever happened to all of those pubs and clubs, the fact remains that they aren’t there any more. The Peel is. If demand is high, and you control supply, then you get to set the agenda. It’s simple business. Your only option is to stop the demand, or create a new supply. The business practice of The Peel’s proprietor, Tom McFeely, may be reprehensible to many of us, but it is a business that is still thriving, as many other similar businesses are closing up shop. Perhaps he’s doing something that the gay male population of Melbourne are secretly applauding, while they publicly deride it.
When all is said and done, The Peel is a business. It’s not a community centre. It’s not a co-op. It’s not a publicly listed company in which every gay man is given shares upon coming out. It is a business, owned by one man. The main reason a business exists is to make money. Since when was making money meant to be an ethical pursuit for those with a social conscience? As the sign says on the door of any licensed establishment in this country, there are conditions of entry. At some it is a dress code, at others a code of behaviour. If you go in the front door, and you spend your money there, you agree to those conditions.
My message to the gay community is this: This is our pink dollar and where we choose to spend it ensures that conditions of entry to clubs like this one – won’t change.
Adam and radio host Jo Stanley
The Fabulous Adam Richard is a stand-up comedian and radio presenter. He can be heard presenting celebrity gossip on the breakfast shows at Melbourne’s Fox FM, Perth’s 92.9 and Hobart’s Sea FM. He is also a regular guest on Network Ten’s Can of Worms. His “Poofcast” can be found here.









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43 Comments so far
I’m a hoarder. I learnt the behaviour from my mum. In her case it can be clearly linked to a childhood experience that was traumatic for her.
I feel a little upset reading the other comments, even the initial post so I would like to clarify a few things that may be hard for you to understand.
1. I can’t stand clutter, either. I hate mess. I dream of a clear space on my desk or kitchen bench. I get severe anxiety about the amount of stuff my mother and I have, and panic about what would happen if we had housefires trapping us, or how I will deal with 2peoples’ hoardings if my mum were to die.
2. It’s not just sentimentality. I don’t think of things as being part of myself. I think certain organisational functions of my brain are impaired or underdeveloped. I lack the ability to distinguish clearly between stuff I need, stuff I am sentimentally attached to, and stuff I wont need again. I find it difficult to assess those sorts of values in things so it makes it impossible to throw anything away.
3. Another aspect of this impairment is I can’t remember things if I can’t see them. If the jewelry box is closed, I forget what’s inside. When I go on holiday I buy too much cause I forget how much I already have.
4. I can’t afford a psychiatrist and fear asking for help. If anyone tried to throw away my stuff it would cause me fear and anxiety. (an example to try and explain that feeling- when I click send on an email, I immediately worry irrationally that I have written something wrong or sent to the wrong person)
5. I personally, and my mum, don’t hoard obvious garbage or food scraps.
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Your post has ended up in the wrong place. I haven’t read the story or the comments yet but I’m sorry you’re upset. I think th blog world will cause more anxiety and depression than it heals, to be honest. Try to ignore them. Everyone is dealing with something. Hording and overeating are two problems that are a bit hard to hide. Maybe hypnosisecould help you and our Mum? Anyway … xxx
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Hi, I just wondered if you were aware that you might find some free help online, from websites such as http://www.anxietyonline.org.au/ It’s a comprehensive online mental health service offering information, assessment, online diagnosis and treatment programs (“eTherapy”) for the anxiety disorders.
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It may be a business decision/policy, but it’s still discriminatory,just as straight men’s clubs like the Melbourne Club (I think) and Fernwood are. It’s also a bit insulting to suggest that straight people want to have a gay friend these days, not only to heteros, but also gays.
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I don’t really think that it is a valid to argue the ‘business supply and demand blah blah blah’ nonsense when the issue is clearly that their policy is unacceptable and discriminatory. As a hetro female with several gay friends it is worth noting that I also find it uncomfortable to see hetro and gay people alike making out on a dance floor or getting overly PDA and unless you’re going to ban this behaviour for everyone, the Peel has to accept that their policy is discriminates.
If we are to move towards truly accepting GLBT in our society, clubs and bars should be welcoming to everyone and I am yet to meet anyone who doesn’t enjoy the great art that is drag and if they don’t then don’t come!
AND anyway, the Peel is old news, Poof Doof has much better looking guys
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Well written and interesting, Adam.
My view (as a hetero woman) is that we pretty much get to go whereever we want and make out with whoever we want. Gays don’t. Gay men in particular are viewed with a critical eye by lots of heteros (particularly straight guys, who get ‘grossed out’) – and that’s before they start drunkenly pashing. If they want one venue (ONE!) to party and pick up without being in the minority then for god sake, let them have it. Hetero chicks, go drink and dance somewhere else if you feel discriminated against as a hetero person. And maybe try to use that sense of injustice the ‘discrimination’ brings you to imagine what it must be like for a homo to frequently feel uncomfortable making out with their partner in public – something heteros do without thinking.
Think of it as affirmative action.
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(Coincidence: I’m listening to The Shelf podcast as I write this. Hi Adam!)
Yeah, I don’t really agree with the argument that we can’t expect businesses to do anything other than try to make money. I think if nothing else, the Chick Fil’A shenanigans in the USA proved that actually, a great many people do have an expectation that businesses will not do unethical things. We expect it a lot, in fact. If the situation were reversed and homosexual displays were banned in a club, it would be a flagrantly obvious case of discrimination and there would be a fairly heavy expectation that the policy change.
With that said, however, I think we have to look at the situation at hand. This case and the scenario of homosexual behaviour being banned in a club are not mirror images of each other. In the latter, the ban is backed up by an entire society which is still only really beginning to accept displays of homosexuality at all. Unlike my straight female self, gays who were banned from expressing their sexuality in a club wouldn’t exactly have a plethora of other accepting places to go. I can understand that The Peel’s owner has made a conscious decision to try to keep the club as autonomous and, lbr, gay as possible, especially given Adam’s assessment that there’s basically nowhere else in Melbourne that offers that same scene (not being from Melbourne, I can’t comment on this).
I think the policy is evoking some unpleasant group memories (or histories) for women, given that it really hasn’t been a massively long time since we were restricted from entering most bars and pubs. As things stand, however, although I think the idea of being escorted around a club at all times by a man is irritating at best, I am free to take my cash to one of the many, many other establishments that would be happy to have me.
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True, but if the situation was reversed ie no homosexual behaviour in a straight bar, it would be discrimination.
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It’s not the same thing at all, that’s a naive comparison. It’s not pejorative discrimination to maintain a reserved space for a minority like gays. The rest of the world is the straights’ space.This is like cultural affirmative action, if you like.
I think the Peel’s policy is actually kind of healthy. Unlike the effects of going there.
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It is the same thing. If homosexuals want to stop discrimination based on sexuality, they should stop discriminating based on sexuality.
Really, what you’re saying is that it is not that discrimination is wrong, but that discrimination against homosexuals is wrong.
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Discrimination against minorities is wrong, when they need a safe place BECAUSE of the oppression, violence and/or discrimination they face in soceity. Whites and heteros don’t need that kind of sancturary.
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It’s not just a ‘pink dollar’ business – it’s clearly a ‘men’s pink dollar’ business specifically.
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Exactly. Ask for the opinion and experiences of gay women to get an even more disturbing insight into the ‘gay’ scene, and nightclubs in general. Can’t tell you how many clubs i’ve been refused entry into because I was holding my gf’s hand. And they weren’t too shy in telling us, either.
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Trying again as none of my posts seem to be getting published….
But you are right. It’s all about gay men. What about gay women? (or bi)
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I actually love going to a gay club in Brisbane.. so do my straight girl friends. It has awesome music. Never been turned away… but in the interest of equality… if we were to be turned away – I would expect gay people are allowed to be turned away from ‘straight’ clubs.
Obviously the latter would be rude .. so the same should go for gays.
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Except we are regularly turned away from straight clubs, and not always in friendly terms. And sometimes if we’re in straight clubs we get attitude and harassment, and even violence, from the other patrons.
So there’s that.
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This is a very well written post, and certainly expresses an intelligent & different perspective.
Having said and meant that, a question is still niggling in my mind.
How would you as a gay man feel, if you were with your heterosexual female friends, and you were lined up outside a night club, and someone said to you “Now you agree to not display any homosexual behaviour if we let you inside?”
And when you ask what that means, ‘You are not allowed to flirt or touch any of the heterosexual woman even from a place of fun with no intention of following through, and you must not engage in any kissing with any man.”
That is so demeaning, whatever side of the fence you are on. I know if someone said that to one of my gay male friends, I’d be horrified.
I’d rather a night club that is just straight out gay, no straight people allowed. It’s blunter and therefore clear as mud, and in my days spending time with gay male friends in Oxford Street, Sydney, some clubs were exactly like that, others were hetero friendly.
Though again, it would be lambasted as discriminatory if it was a straight club doing that, and I personally would not like to see that happen as a straight woman.
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Yes. This. In its entirety.
Discrimination in any colour/shape/sexuality is still just that.
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Ah, but that DOES happen.
And if it doesn’t, a gay couple going into a straight venue, even just holding hands, still gets a lot of looks, nasty comments and so forth… nothing much has changed
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The owner of the establishment, TOM McFEELY, instigated rules about sexual behaviour? Too funny.
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Ooh thankyou – I thought I was the only tragic who laugh-snorted at that
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As an old, old hag, I thought this whole issue was pretty whiny – they’re gay clubs! Obviously the owners don’t want the club to be overrun with hags and the straight men chasing them – that would ruin the whole vibe!
” Perhaps he’s doing something that the gay male population of Melbourne are secretly applauding, while they publicly deride it.” – totally agree!
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If you’re after gay clubs that are also hetro friendly try Poof Doof at The Bottom End or Love Machine. Both a fantastic night out for all!
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Poof doof is SO much fun.
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‘Poof Doof’? Lol!!!
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Love Machine actually doesn’t allow gay women. Many have been refused entry. Just saying.
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…unless you’re a lesbian….
Many I know, myself included, have been refused entry into Love Machine. Yet, the straight bimbos with their tits hanging out were allowed in.
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Unless you’re a gay woman, as they refuse entry.
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Just want to apologise for the multiple entries – was having issues posting that day, obviously
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Lots of valid points here, but I am not convinced that in our society businesses have the right to act this way. While “making money… [is not exclusively] …an ethical pursuit for those with a social conscience”, there are certain ethics businesses must adhere to. To wit, discrimination.
So the owner of The Peel has conditions of entry, namely that there is to be no “heterosexual behaviour” in the Club. Okay, well, heterosexuals can’t help being heterosexual (as no-one can really “help” their sexuality) but Yes, they can refrain from kissing members of the opposite sex while in the Club. They could dance, drink etc.
What if I also had a business, let’s say a café. And maybe because I used to have a blind sister who died tragically young while immersed in a book that she loved (I don’t; am playing Devil’s Advocate here) I get really upset at the sight of other blind people reading. So I ban that from my coffee shop. I say that blind people can still come in (after all, they can’t help being blind), and they may buy coffee and listen to music on their phones, but they may not read while in here. The sight of people using Braille brings back too many memories and is too upsetting so all blind people have to understand that is a condition of entry. Yes, they and their friends can take their money elsewhere, but should they have to?
If you truly believe that it is okay to discriminate against blind people in this example I have given, then I think you have put forward a valid argument for The Peel. That does however, leave the door open for a whole array of discriminatory license for businesses.
But if the idea of discrimination against some groups on the grounds of innate attributes (such as sexuality, race, gender, disability etc) and not on the grounds of something rectifiable (eg dress code, conduct, sobriety etc) is repellent to you, then you shouldn’t really find The Peel’s policy justifiable.
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Totally off topic but Adam Richards looks exactly like Kyle Sandilands with less hair!
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Oh my he does! Now I’ll never be able to look at him the same!
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Love your work Adz. This was my thought exactly when I read Nath’s post yesterday. Gay men should be allowed their own venue without risk of embarrassment or ridicule and as such, I believe the proprietors should be allowed to discriminate in favour of gays. Stacey was told the conditions and she accepted them. I’m sure she understood.
Anyway, as a straight woman with gay friends, she probably supports The Peel.
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‘… who all want a gay best friend these days.’
Yes! I feel as though gays are the new designer pets. The latest hip accessory! It’s so fake and insulting.
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But gays always look like they’re having the best time! AND they’d be great to shop with! Who wouldn’t want a gay BFF??!
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Urgh, seriously? Why do I have a gay best friend…. Argh maybe because he’s awesome in his own right. Funny, kind, outgoing and generous. You’re insinuation of me having a gay best friend because it’s “the latest hip accessory” is ridiculously insulting. Pull your head in.
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I think they were saying it sarcastically.
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I miss my ‘pocket gay’…
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His business, his policy. I do not have a problem with that. The ‘Entitled Generation’ are getting very tiresome.
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Fair enough. I look forward to your ‘whites only’ nightclub opening soon.
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Well that would be a bit awkward, wouldn’t it, seeing as I’m Aboriginal decent and quite chocolately of skin, Mr Martin76.
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I think that is the point he was trying to make
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I agree! Make your voices heard with your wallet. If you don’t like it, don’t go there. They’ll soon change their tune.
Brilliantly written piece, by the way, Adam
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