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David Farley.

 

by JAMILA RIZVI

Yesterday David Farley, chief executive of the Australian Agricultural Company made a funny, funny joke. He had the whole room he was addressing in stitches.

Don’t stop reading now because you’ll want to hear his gag – it’s a cracker. This jolly old soul, stood up in front of a crowded room in Adelaide and as part of a formal speech he called our Prime Minister an, ‘old cow’.

Hilarious, I know.

Farley has since protested that his comments were taken ‘out of context’. Ah, I see, it can happen to the best of us. Actually, no, sorry – I don’t see.  What kind of ‘context’ could possibly make that comment remotely acceptable?

Luckily the Turn Left blog has provided a transcript of Farley’s comments, to give us that context we need to properly comprehend his insulting, misogynistic and disrespectful remarks. This is what Farley reportedly said, while explaining his plans for a new Northern Territory abattoir:

“This plant is designed to process old cows… So the old cows that become non-productive, instead of making a decision to either let her die in the paddock or put her in the truck…

This gives us a chance to take non-productive animals off and put them through the processing system. So it’s designed for non-productive cows – Julia Gillard’s got to watch out.”

Ah. Now I get it. Farley wasn’t just labeling our Prime Minister as an ,‘old cow’, he was suggesting that she be sent to the slaughter. What a classy bloke.

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Prime Minister Julia Gillard.

There will be commentators who encourage us to dismiss these words as just one idiot’s off-the-cuff remarks. There will be those who protest that all politicians are subjected to this kind of criticism now and then. There will be those (and they will be great in number) who say that what was said about Julia Gillard has nothing to do with the fact that she is a woman.

But all of that is complete and utter bollocks.

Our Prime Minister has faced a relentless barrage of negativity and insults from day one. A lot of that comes from how she came to the job and I understand that. But that is no excuse for the gendered nature of the attacks that Julia Gillard has continued to face.

The Prime Minister has been labelled ‘deliberately barren’ by a conservative Senator, she is regularly depicted as a prostitute by cartoonists, she was called a ‘weakling’ by a former Labor Party leader, labeled a ‘bitch’ and a ‘witch’ by carbon price protestors and according to frontbencher Kate Ellis, Gillard was written off by none other than former Prime Minister Kevin Rudd as a “childless, atheist, ex-communist.”

Radio commentators like Alan Jones berate her during interviews, saying “Julia, Julia”. I know it sounds like a small thing but excuse me, she is the Prime Minister. You would never have caught Jones calling Prime Minister Howard by his first name – it’s a simple mark of respect.

I have worked in politics for long enough to tell you that the Prime Minister herself will publicly laugh these comments off and inform the media that her focus is squarely on delivering a National Disability Insurance Scheme or the other big political debate of the week.

And why? Because if she hits back at Farley, she’ll be called a ‘bitch’ and if she admits that the comments were hurtful, she’ll look ‘weak’. Heaven forbid the woman be allowed to show some humanity. Because even if she did, the Prime Minister would just cop another beating from the media and the Opposition with the underlying message – yet again – that a woman running the country is something be scared of.

This Government hasn’t lived up to its promise. It’s a shame but it’s the truth. The Gillard Government has achieved some great things but a failure to communicate effectively has left them flailing in the polls and distrusted by the electorate.

I don’t blame the gendered criticism of Julia Gillard for the position of the Government but I do think it has been a contributing factor. And even if it were not a contributor, it has still been a disgusting reflection on the inherent sexism that underlies our political culture and the fear we have of powerful women.

And it’s about time it stopped.

I don’t ask that you like the Prime Minister. I don’t ask that you support her or even that you respect her as an individual. What your views are about Julia Gillard, her Government and how she came to power are your business. But I do ask that you respect the office of Prime Minister.

Julia Gillard is the Prime Minister of our country and she deserves to be treated as such.

Jamila is a member of the Australian Labor Party and has worked for the Rudd and Gillard Governments.

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321 Comments so far

  1. grace

    I’m a woman and think the PM is an embarrassment and have also called her a stupid cow among friends too. Howard was considered a dog that sniffed Bush’s butt. Nobody protected him so why now? The current PM is not a woman that I respect, like or think has a bright political mind like her predecessor. 2013 will be the first time in 27 years that Labor has lost my vote. Like most people in the NT on my Senate ballot paper Nova will be last. We like our experienced Labor Aboriginal politicians and have several of them, all Rudd supporters. We also like Trish Crossins. That’s Julia’s bad luck and could backfire.

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  2. proofsleuth@gmail.com

    She is totally evil and is ruining our beautiful country. She cares nothing for Australia. We live in a country which used to have free speech and if someone declares she is a cow, they should be allowed to have an opinion. I agree completely but thinks this is a total insult to a cow.

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    • Mortisha

      We could also publicly label you an unproductive old cow who should be careful when you walk past an abattoir.

      Is that really the type of society you want to live in? One with no respect or basic manners. If that is hilarious in your circles I feel sorry for you.

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      • Victoria

        We should not be legislating against bad manners. If people feel aggrieved they can sue. At present we have a very bad government which is trying to silence criticsm. It’s a can of worms. I agree completely with proofsleuth. I disagree completely with the pro Julia luvvies on this blog. That’s democracy. If I don’t like it I can go to another blog. I can stop leaving comments here. And as far as the comment about the unproductive nature of Julia Gillard. I get it. He was not calling Julia Gillard a cow. Julia Gillard regullarly calls many people far worse . I don’t like her and I don’t like the way she speaks in parliament but I wouldn’t want anyone to legislate against Julia Gillard. She has called Tony Abbott a ‘snivelling grub’. I don’t like it. I think she’s the poorer for it. I think Australia is the poorer for it but that’s democracy. At the next election the people of Australia will decide who they want running our country. Anyway I understand metaphors and analagies about unproductive cows. What I don’t understand is name-calling and that’s what Julia Gillard does. At my afternoon tea I wouldn’t want to sit next to Julia Gillard but I would love to meet the man who made the comment about lack of productivity and Julia Gillard.

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  3. Say What?

    Where has the facility gone to ‘like’ comments on this post?
    Disappeared from my view – just no buttons visible ??

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    • old timer

      according to comments earlier in this post it disappears when MM don’t want people to like comments that disagree with their stance!!

      not exactly sure how that helps those that agree….

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      • Say What?

        Thanks Old Timer, that’s probably the case unfortunately.
        Shame.
        Regardless of whether someone agrees with me or not, I’m always interested in alternate opinions, and it’s certainly interesting to see the ‘like’ value for what it truly is – rather than having it taken away like we’re naughty school kids… Ho Hum…
        Defence of JG at any cost it seems!!
        Oh well – Suzy, for the record, would have ‘liked’ your comment if it were possible :-)

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      • Lulu

        Sorry to spoil your paranoia party, but the ‘like’ button tends to disappear whenever a thread attracts more than a certain number of comments, not matter whether its contentious or just popular.

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        • Old timer

          Oops should have added a tongue in cheek emoticon! I was just referring to an earlier comment by bradley, I think, that alluded to the fact that it was a conspiracy.

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        • Say What?

          Ha Ha Lulu – that’s hilarious.
          Haven’t heard the term Paranoia Party before – I’ll be stealing that one – very funny.

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    • jamilarizvi

      Hi guys

      We are having some tech issues with getting the ‘like’ button to appear all the time. It seems to have a mind of its own and comes and goes as it wishes. It is nothing sinister, I promise.

      Jamila

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  4. Suzy

    Where was the outrage on Mamamia when David Koch Channel 7 breakfast host told a lewd and sick joke about Janette Howard and Kim Beasley’s urination in the snow? Janette Howard wife of the then Prime Minister John Howard was derided, vilified and held up to ridicule in the most scurrilous way by David Koch ON NATIONAL BREAKFAST TELEVISION (not in a roomfull of farmers in Adelaide).

    Koch is still on air and was not punished in any way. There appears to be no hesitation in degrading the conservative side of politics while the moral high ground is taken and defended to the hilt on behalf of anyone of the left.

    And if Julia Gillard calls Tony Abbott a ‘snivelling grub’ she should be castigated by one and all. Disgusting stuff.

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    • Lulu

      I think you’ll find that Kochie incident pre-dated the existence of Mamamia. Bit difficult to be outraged when you don’t exist.

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      • Lizbeth

        And what do you feel today Lulu about David Koch and his joke about Janette Howard and Kim Beasley’s urine? Outrage?

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        • JoanneH

          I saw that ‘joke’ on Sunrise. It’s an old one that has been used naming many other people, but I agree it was very offensive. I wonder how Janette and John would have enjoyed a TV show like ‘At home with Julia’ made about them, especially the sex under the flag scene. The nastiest insult to John Howard was made by his own side – Senator Brandis calling him a “lying rodent.”

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          • Lami

            JoanneH, you obviously have no idea the foul and terrible things Labor politicians called John Howard? Actuually sickening. And apparently Julia Gillard did not like the TV show about her. And if a show was made about the Howards, I dare say it would have been so demeaning and putrid that they would not dared to show it except on YouTube. Actually have a look on Youtube, you should be able to see some of that vile anti John Howard stuff. Lots of Labor pollies involved.

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          • Lami

            JoanneH, you obviously have no idea the foul and terrible things Labor politicians called John Howard? Actuually sickening. If a show was made about the Howards, I dare say it would be so demeaning and putrid that they would not dare screen it except on YouTube. Actually have a look on Youtube, you should be able to see some of the vile anti John Howard stuff of the past. Lots of Labor pollies involved.

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          • Truth Please

            Not true JoanneH. Liberal Senator George Brandis does not deny routinely referring to the former Prime Minister, John Howard as “the rodent”. It was a knickname.

            He does, however, deny ever calling John Howard “a lying rodent”. And further, Senator Brandis is a barrister, with a barrister’s capacity for fine distinction. He would only ever call Howard the rodent; never a rodent, because the former is a nickname, whereas the latter would be a pejorative term.

            I suppose for you JoanneH, the truth should never get in the way of a good story.

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  5. alyssakt

    Mamamia
    When I try to reply to Seaghan below in two different spots my comment isn’t shown and the message “Duplicate comment detected” comes up. I have tried several times so now I imagine there are quite a few copies of my comment in your backlog?
    Can you please either upload my comment, or delete whatever is being held up so I can start again?
    Thank you

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    • seaghan

      Are you telling me off? It could be those bad words :)

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      • alyssakt

        Haha – maybe! ;)

        I just tried to paste it here instead and again, no luck!

        I really didn’t even say anything bad!

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      • alyssakt

        Maybe your name is registered as a blocked word – Seaghan (this is a test) ha

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    • Kris2040

      Yes, I had the same thing happen on the 50 shades of grey post yesterday – alyssa replied to a comment I made, but I couldn’t reply or edit. Then when I tried to edit my original to add in my reply, it said it had been recognised as spam and to contact admin. Which I did. Its still in purgatory.

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  6. Anonymous

    I think it was just a metaphor. Get over it.

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  7. Dilby

    I get frustrated about the general attitude to our PM. I agree that regardless of policy, she is doing a job, she is working hard and if you don’t like what she has done or how she has done it you should speak up, but if you don’t like her sex, marital status, age, hair, voice you should shut up. R.E.S.P.E.C.T.

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  8. Anonymous

    “What we have got is a dead carcass, swinging in the breeze, but nobody will cut it down to replace him”

    Keating talking about Howard.

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    • Anonymous

      “the brain-damaged Leader of the Opposition”

      Keating again talking about Howard.

      Not nice if you have a brain damaged child, but hey, its not attacking women so it must be ok?

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      • Anonymous

        The article is about gender-specific insults towards the Prime Minister. Your examples are irrelevant.

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  9. Douglas

    Well I do like and admire Julia Gillard. And I’m thankful for the wonderful things she and the government have done.

    As for the “comment” … disgraceful.

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    • Say What?

      Fascinated Douglas – please share – what ‘wonderful things’ has Ms Gillard and the government done, that makes you thankful and warrants your admiration?
      Not being facetious I really want to know!!??

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    • Prinnie

      I agree with you Douglas. The thing I like most about Julia Gillard is her honesty and dignity. Some politicians promise one thing before an election and then do the opposite after an election. They use semantics to explain their lies. Some politicians also use foul language and demean others in parliament. Not Julia Gillard She’s like the queen. She’s always so dignified and gracious. I think Labor is lucky to have Julia Gillard. The Coalition would love to have her as their leader.

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      • Sammy

        Yep so lucky because of her they will loose the next election.

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  10. FiSugden

    Agree with you Jamila that the office of the PM should be respected and so should Julia Gillard. As should any PM or Premier as they have been elected by the people. I don’t agree that she has been subject to extra criticism as a result of being a woman. When you are PM you get a lot of tough criticism. That’s part of the gig and it’s not easy.

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    • grace

      PMs aren’t elected by the people. They get chosen by the party in power. Unless the PM ran in your electorate in Victoria – you never voted for her at all!

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  11. Ex Labor

    Miss Gillard who regularly says worse (like calling Tony Abbott ‘a snivelling grub’) in Question Time wasn’t actually referred to as an “old cow”. It was her productivity which was likened to that of an old cow.

    Many in Labor are proficient at dishing it out but complete wimps when it comes to taking it. But that aspect doesn’t bother me. What bothers me is to have the facts so badly misrepresented by the writer of this article.

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    • Lulu

      “wasn’t actually referred to as an “old cow”. It was her productivity which was likened to that of an old cow”

      Ever ehard of the term ‘dog-whistle’? If not, google it.

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      • Just a hoot

        Lulu, ‘dog-whistle politics’ is used often and regularly by Labor. As far as I know the metaphor or analogy of productivity was not used in a political setting. And what is ‘ehard’? I tried googling ‘ehard’?

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        • Lulu

          Your point being? (Apart from pointing out my typo?)

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          • Pointer

            Lulu, I got the point, why not you?

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  12. fender4eva

    Gillard will never reach the level of respect, the office demands. I respect the office of Prime Minister, but not the incumbent’s method of attaining it.

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    • Kris2040

      Being voted in by her electorate and then party following an election???

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      • fender4eva

        No Kris2040, rolling Rudd and the way it was done, by the faceless cronies behind the scenes…..

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    • J.K

      I agree fender4eva.

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  13. TherazaFraser

    Great post, Jamila. Totally agree.

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  14. Kimberley

    Great article. Doesn’t matter where you sit on the fence politically – it’s comment like these that undermine women. No wonder my 14 year old said she’d never go into policitics – ‘because they just bitch about each other like my Year 8 school friends’.

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  15. #

    I’m not really here or there about Julia.

    What saddens me is how this speech refers to the cows. Once they’re ‘unproductive’ they need to be ‘processed’.

    So much for farmers claiming to care about their livestock.

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    • ClaireC

      What would you suggest they do with them, let them die of old age?

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      • #

        Ummm..yes. The way nature intended.

        If we use them for our own gain while they are ‘productive’ it’s our responsibility to care for them when they are no longer so.

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        • alyssakt

          Really? That all sounds really lovely and stuff but it’s not realistic or feasible.
          Dairy Farmers have already been crippled by the supermarket duopoly milk specials – that you probably buy for your family – and make so little per litre of milk that they barely break even.
          Now you wish for them to feed and care for possibly 10-20 times their current viable head of cattle
          There’s nothing natural about breeding huge numbers of dairy cows in a country where they have been introduced- and was not suitable for animals with hooves in many places. Shall these farmers clear more bushland to accommodate all these additional cows?
          And the huge increase in methane production? (Cow farts are actually terrible for the atmosphere- no joke).

          Farmers have a business to run. Maybe if everyone who has land could adopt one?
          The farming industry has no room for Disney dreams though -unfortunately :(

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        • seaghan

          Well, #, you should put your money where your mouth is and purchase all the unproductive animals.

          Be prepared to buy millions of male day old chooks though, they get their necks twisted shortly after they hatch. You going to raise them until they die of old age?

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          • CarroBarro

            Why take the piss out of someone who cares about animals? Lame.

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  16. alyssakt

    Excellent piece, Jamila. Very well said.

    I’m constantly shocked and disgusted by the vile name-calling of our leader.

    Even without the moronic mudslinging, the accusations that she wasn’t elected by us (yes, she was) and she’s a liar because of the carbon scheme (no, get your facts straight- she said that about Labor if it had been elected a Majority Government. It wasn’t. Move on!)

    Insults like “ranga bitch” offend me immensely. Some of the people I love most in the world have red hair. And half of the people I love are women, as am I. I couldn’t imagine being treated like that at my workplace or even by strangers on the street. To say it about the elected leader of our great nation is despicable.
    To think that your rudeness and disrespect is acceptable says a lot more about what a dickhead you are. You ignorant arses make me ashamed to be Australian.

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    • Daria

      Agreed!

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    • masd270248

      Alyssakt, can I please repost you post on Face Book?? Just so well put!

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      • alyssakt

        Sure Masd, thanks for asking, and for appreciating my comment :D

        I’ve been thinking about posting it on my own but wasn’t sure if I was in the mood for a battle with my Facebook friends who are guilty of it, but haven’t been bad enough to be unfriended yet.
        E.g. I unfriended a guy I’ve known for years who posted “Gillard you mole – get a dog up ya you filthy mutt!” With many likes. Disgraceful. :( k

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    • Jazz

      I’m shocked and disgusted by YOUR vile name calling ie. ‘dickhead’ and ‘ignorant arses’.

      Real classy.

      Makes me ashamed to be Australian. Not really, just putting that in for effect.

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      • alyssakt

        Hi Jazz
        I did consider whether I should or not… In the end I decided that I wanted to speak to those repulsive people in a language they understand, whilst also name-calling on them so they might realise how offensive it is.
        It’s a very fine line!

        I’m not ashamed to be Australian with you :)

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        • old timer

          totally agree with your sentiments alyssakt.

          i wonder if jazz is shocked and disgusted about what was said about our PM?

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      • seaghan

        Chill out Jazz.

        I like it when she talks dirty…

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  17. Le Sigh

    Thank you for the context. It is now clear to see that he was attempting to call her unproductive – not an old cow.

    It is also a beautiful glimpse into how well the media mouthpeice works in twisting things to create a story where there isn’t one.

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    • Anon

      Actually he was attempting to call her a non productive cow. Itdoesn’t seem that anyone is outraged about the non productive part, your thoughts on her as a politician are up to you, the outrage is about him calling her a cow. and is justified.

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    • so over articles like this one

      Well said, Le Sigh. Agree completely

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  18. old timer

    great post jamila!

    i totally agree, the level of aggression towards our PM is intolerable.

    rich businessmen/women might not like what she is doing but they don’t like anything that may impact on their wealth.

    misogynistic behaviour is alive and well in australia, but once those old conservative white middle-class blokes are in more of a minority things will change… well we can only hope anyway.

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  19. LJ

    Reading these comments, Bradley??, What is up with you?? Nasty…..

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    • Ljm

      but I love Bradley’s comments….. :) .

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      • Kris2040

        So do I. And I’m a Greens voter!

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    • Anonymous

      Agreed. His hectoring, self- pitying, derailing comments are the number one reason I won’t bother commenting here any more. If he isn’t sneering at other posters, he’s whingeing about being deleted or pulling the “but what about teh menz” card on every single post. If this site had effective moderation they would be all over this behaviour, it’s designed purely to silence other commenters & it’s frustrating.

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      • Snap!!

        Remember when they banned him for a while! Good times.

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        • Kris2040

          Not cool, you guys. You don’t have to agree with everything anyone writes. Banning someone for disagreeing is bullshit. Brad has never been abusive, yet has copped abuse.
          There’s nothing wrong with disagreement and I think Brad does it with a sense of humour. His name’s at the top of his posts. Just keep scrolling, just keep scrolling…

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          • Anonymous

            He is relentlessly passive-agressive to other posters and plays the martyr when they respond to him in kind. His comments in this thread are typical of his rudeness to others but calling him out on this will inevitably lead to yet more derailing self-pity for weeks to come. I’m not calling for him to be banned but this site was a better place when he was.

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            • Kris2040

              I don’t think he does that at all. At least he puts a name to his comments, Anonymous.

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            • alyssakt

              I agree, Kris ^^

              I honestly do not understand why so many “Anonymous” and “Anon” commenters insist on not making up a name, instead preferring for their comments to be indistinguishable from the 50 other “Anonymous” and “Anon” comments.
              It is completely illogical to my practical sensibilities!

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            • seaghan

              Alyssa, so many people post as anon or anonymous because Mamamia has such a trigger finger with banning people for expressing opposite views. Unfortunately most of the people banned are men and I’m damn sure it’s because we tend to be aggressive when we speak/write if it’s something we have passionate views on.

              These passionate views come out when there is a header post that involves politics or an area where men see that they are disenfranchised. In the case where guys see themselves as being disenfranchised, they try to explain their point of view only to be shouted down and not even have anyone recognise that there may be a problem. whenever that happens you can guarantee that the guy will get banned.

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            • Kris2040

              Seaghan,

              I’ve disagreed often, loudly and quite markedly and never been banned. I’ve never seen anything written by Brad (or you) that would necessitate banning. The only stuff I’ve seen that I say needs banning is stuff like where brave anonymous people hound others (as has happened to me). As far as I understand bannings go on your IP address and not whether you have a name, anyway.

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          • Snap!!

            I wasn’t calling for him to be banned I was being facetious! I don’t care for Bradley’s comments so I don’t read them, but it is irritating when he dominates posts with his inane comments. But you’re right at least he “owns” his comments.

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            • Kris2040

              Sorry, Snap! I did toss up how to read that.

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    • Bradley

      LJ….I am reading these comments, and thank you. I am feeling all of your love !

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  20. Treetops

    Tried to click on Turn Left blog but got this link instead that lead nowhere.

    mamamia.com.au/news/the-man-who-called-for-the-slaughter-of-julia-gillard/(//turnleft2013.wordpress.com/2012/08/03/man-calls-for-the-slaughter-of-the-prime-minister-media-distracted-by-bill-shorten-not-liking-his-pie/) Is there going to be a new post about Bill Shorten and the pie incident? Or will it be added to this post?

    By the way, IMO I don’t think the PM was called an old cow at all . As others have said it was merely suggesting that she is no longer productive so needs to go. Very lame attempt at making a gender issue out of it.

    I am looking forward to all the respectful comments about Abbott on here by the rabid Abbott-hater brigade when he becomes PM. I’ll be looking forward to the posts about respect for the office of PM then.

    I do agree though that the Prime Minister of our country should be addressed either as Prime Minister or Ms/Mr LastName. Never by their first name.

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  21. nina

    Politicians get slagged off, and slag each other off…it unfortunately goes with the territory. Little Johnny Howard – the dessicated coconut, Krudd and that ‘conga line of suck-holes’ statement by Latham. There’s actually an entire website that covers Paul Keating insults, a kind of homage to his acid tongue.

    Meh. People bring a lot of heat in politics, possibly as they are so emotionally invested in their opinions.

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  22. Mischybee

    It’s about time! Thank you Jamila. I’m so sick of the relentless negativity aimed at the Prime Minister and the slavish determination of the mainstream media to ignore any achievements of this government. The relentless harking back to how she came by the job and the insidious sexism which permeates the public discourse has, I’m afraid made the likelihood of a second female PM highly unlikely in the short term.

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    • Bradley

      Oh, please !

      If JG was doing a great job there would be absolutely no criticism of her. If she was doing a great job she would be almost certainly guaranteeing that the PM of Australia would be female for decades to come. I certainly look forward to the prospect of a future PM named Julie Bishop. Ten or fifteen years back I was almost quite certain that another female Lib, also with the name of Bishop, would lead the party in place of JH.

      So please….this is not about the PM’s gender. It’s about failure.

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      • Mischybee

        Shudder…

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        • Bradley

          Why do you shudder when a mere male indicates full support for a future female PM for this country ?

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          • Kris2040

            I don’t know about Mischybee, but the concept of either of the Bishops being in charge surely made me shudder. Nothing to do with your mere maleness, Brad!

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            • Mischybee

              What Kris2040 said.

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      • Watcher of the Wry

        Fantastic post Bradley! Agree completely. I’m so tired of the leftie loving on Mamamia. Julia Gillard regularly dishes out the most appalling stuff. She plays the man. She insults. She demeans. She denigrates. She turns on Australians who are not on her side. I say if she can’t take the heat she should get out of the kitchen.

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        • Kris2040

          But it’s not JG who is OUTRAGED about this, it’s Jamila. I think JG can take it just fine.

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          • Bradley

            Hey Kris !

            You make a very good point. No one has heard JG’s opinion. Perhaps she deserves credit for being able to take as good as she dishes out ? That’s an admirable character trait.

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        • Penny

          Watcher of the wry is “so tired of the leftie loving on Mamamia”. Oh, poor baby!

          All media’s got to be like the mainstream media – right-wing and pro-Liberal.. or we throw a big sooky tantrum.

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          • Isolde

            Oh dear me Penny but you seem very miffed and a little irate? Why? Your high horse run away? Not so much lovin’ Catcher of the Wry’? I think Catcher made a great point. Go Catcher! I agree the leftie loving here is very tiresome.

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  23. guest

    do you think it would be politically correct if mammia also had articles written by people who have worked for liberal politicians (or are they still all employed???), it seems a lot of contributers have worked for the labor party orhave some involvement in the labor party… am i getting a message that mia is using her blog site, mamamia to get a specific political bias opinion across to the people who read her blog!!! do you think we are stupid!!!!

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    • another guest

      When you find a Liberal party member who would like to discuss this topic openly, I believe you will then see such an article. And I will happily read it. When it happens. If it happens.

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    • Mia

      Guest, it seems those on the left hand side of politics are far more proactive when it comes to engaging with MM readers!
      The couple of posts we’ve run from Tony Abbott were directly instigated by me.
      We are always open to submissions, I only wish more coalition politicians would write for us!

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      • Nat Peck

        I make no apologies that my politics lean to the left and that I agree with many of Jamila’s sentiments in this article. However, I also agree that politics is often a dirty game and that Ministers (incl the PM ) need to earn respect, not just expect that it will always be afforded to them. But the daily double standards that Ms Gillard has copped from day 1 are outrageous and as our serving and democratically elected PM I think she deserves better treatment.
        Re seeing some libs on Mamamia – i think Mia and Jamila have just thrown the challenge out there. Why does it seem that Libs don’t contribute or seem to value social media as much? Despite my declared political leanings, i’d like to see some thoughtful contributions from Liberal members (I’m looking at you Joe Hockey, Malcolm Turnbull, Mal Washer, Julie Bishop – surely you have some SM-savvy staffers willing to send in a contribution for consideration to give a different point of view???)

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      • Rrrrrr

        Fine Mia ill talk o my local mp about writing a piece

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    • Anonymous

      And you think the print, and to some extent TV, media don’t do that? Please!!!

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    • Salamander

      Absolutely agree Guest. It’s all about loving Labor here on this blog.

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  24. Amandarose

    I don’t actually mind Julia- I didn’t at first because I felt bad for Rudd but now- I think we are best to stick with her now.
    Tony – No Way.

    I did like John Howard and voted for Liberal that year- I thought her seemed sincere and seemed to get stuff done- even the unpopular GST. I would have kept voting Liberal if Malcolm was leader. he also seemed sincere.

    So yes- I like Julia now, and I don’t think people should be rude to her

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    • Bradley

      Best to stick with PM Gillard, now ?

      I don’t know whether you are a masochist of just a glutton for punishment, Amandarose.

      If JG is the best that you can hope for, you are a person with humble expectations.

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      • B

        Glutton for punishment? Nothing JG has done has affected my family’s income adversely. In fact, thanks to her, it’s gone up a little. 5 minutes of a Liberal Newman govt in QLD and we now have to move in with my mother-in-law due to sweeping job cuts and lack of permanency in the workforce. We can’t buy a house that we were planning to (I’m at home with my youngest for 12 months – or at least that was the plan until this happened). We’re saving as much as possible now and not spending ANY money in the community. How on earth can this be good for confidence in the QLD economy? I would take a Labor-led govt over this Liberal party ANY DAY. If this is what a Liberal-led Australia is going to look like, count me out!!

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        • seaghan

          Perhaps the Government in Queensland simply doesn’t have the money to throw money around, or they have made a decision not to borrow because the state debt is getting too high.

          Socialism is a wonderful idea until you run out of everyone elses money.

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          • Faybian

            As brisbanes lord mayor, Campbell was not afraid of splashing the cash either. He spent bucket loads of money on the Clem 7 tunnel going under the cbd for example, admittedly also funded by the govt and could somehow find the money to award the state mps a pay rise as soon as the LNP came into office.

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          • B

            Oh Seaghan… No money to pay people their wages and yet 80 million to renovate the racecourse? Give me a break!!!!

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            • seaghan

              $80 million to do up the racecourse? They would have had to get the money from somewhere, so what’s the problem with losing some unneeded jobs in the public service?

              I’d bet London to a brick the public service won’t notice a few thousand less of them. How many are employed by the queenslqand public service anyway? few hundred thousand? The total number of jobs lost sounds big, but it’s probably only a few percent of the toal number of public servants.

              We shouldn’t be keeping people in unproductive jobs, the UK tried that in the 60′s and 70′s and it landed them in a hell of a mess. Creating nonexistant public jobs just to make the numbers look good is counter productive.

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      • grace

        Agree totally with Bradley

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  25. guest

    it is funny how people take things in the context they want to…i think he may have meant “not productive” like she has not been prductive to the meat industry…do you remember how she halted an industry in its tracks …live eports as a result of 1 show on television without doing more research, was it productive what she did? but what would i know i am only a girl who grew up in the country and watched the people around me lose their industry, their incomes, faced losing their farms/homes/way of life and the stress she caused people from farmers their families, truck drivers and the other industries that benefit from the flow on effect of this export while she took this drastic action that turned out to be, shall we say “non-productive….”

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  26. Bradley

    Alternatively….it really would be news to find anyone who hasn’t called the PM anything less than flattering as of late.

    Now that would make an interesting headline !

    And on the positive side….you could run the same story every day for a month. Just change who has said what, when.

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    • Bradley

      Or as an alternative alternative, I’d love to read what the members of federal caucus say about the PM, away from the glare of the tv cameras and microphones.

      Now that would make for some interesting comments !

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  27. Rach

    Agree with you completely Jamila. I don’t like her much or think that the labour party has done a particularly well in recent years- but the crap that woman has had to put up with is unbelievable, and I think you’ve got to respect her for ignoring the immaturity of some of her colleagues, the media etc, and carrying on with her job.

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  28. Sara

    Oh come on Jamila, you have worked for Gillard and you are still a member of her party so are you in a position to make an unbiased assessment here?!

    I don’t for one second believe the joke was gender related. If somebody had called Rudd an old goat when he was PM nobody would have flinched.

    David Farley was right about one thing, Julia Gillard has been and still is one of our most ineffective prime ministers and needs to be put to pasture. Bring on an election.

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    • B

      Sara – do you really honestly believe that in she has been ineffective? In the minority govt she leads?

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    • jamilarizvi

      Hi Sara

      Thanks for your comment. I’m not sure when I said I was trying to be unbiased? We all have our own point of view and something that drives it. This is mine. You’re welcome to disagree with it.

      Jamila

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  29. Bradley

    Were any women listening to the speech and did any of them laugh ?

    The Turn Left blog didn’t indicate the gender breakdown percentage.

    Silly Turn Left blog !

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    • B

      Bradley – you’re all over this post. We get it that you love Tony!

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      • Bradley

        I have only ever declared love for my wife on this site.

        I am not about to declare love for any other individual.

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  30. Lucinda

    I don’t quite get the point of this article. Was Farley not implying that Julia Gillard is in his opinion, non-productive and would be in danger of going to the “slaughter house” in the next federal election if she doesn’t make changes? Are there not MANY people who would agree with this? I didn’t see the words “Julia Gillard is an old cow”, and given that the whole room laughed…. I’m pretty sure it was probably quite funny in context.

    And by the way I am a bit of a bleeding heart leftie myself. People whinged and moaned about the labour government in Qld for so long, and now we have Campbell Newman who is making huge cuts to the education budget, trying to change civil union laws in qld and is an absolute tool. And this is going to happen on a much larger scale when/if the labor government loses the next federal election.

    BUT Farleys comments are tame and have nothing to do with gender/misogyny. It was said as a joke. And people laughed.

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    • Kris2040

      Yeah, it feels like looking for something to be offended by.
      Little Johnny copped shit, and so do other pollies. They will tell you they’re there serving their constituents, even up to the PM. That doesn’t make them immune to criticism or ridicule, and I don’t think it should.

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  31. Jamboree

    Great article Jamila – I agree 110%.

    There is much, much, much I abhor about US politics, but one thing I admire is their respect for the position of President irrespective of political allegiance.

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    • Sara

      Jamboree, i agree to a certain degree about the respect for office thing but i think the problem is that many feel Gillard didn’t earn her position through a fair and clear mandate and is only there through back door deals and broken promises. That is very hard to respect.

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      • glamwhitetrash

        George W. Bush STOLE the election in which he first became President of the United States, and despite this I can guarantee you he was never called anything but ‘Mr President’ or ‘President Bush’. “She didn’t earn her position through a fair and clear mandate” – plenty of Prime Ministers have come to power without their party having a significant majority of primary votes; it’s only through preferences that they won. How is that any different from the Independents choosing to support her and her Government over the Liberals? Of course there would be deals done – the Libs also offered deals and concessions, and the Independents still backed Gillard. As for broken promises, are you serious? That’s politics; name me one politician who could never be accused of that, certainly in recent history – John Howard’s “core and non-core promises”, anyone? Why not check and see how many of the former became the latter? By all means people should criticise Prime Minister Gillard and the Labor Party if they genuinely think they’ve done nothing positive for this country, but play the ball, not the (wo)man.

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        • Teah

          Brilliant. Thankyou!

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    • Kris2040

      Julia Gillard murdered a tradesman? How?

      I’m in Australia, so I don’t think it’s been destroyed!

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    • B

      Anonymous – Politicians tell tales all the time! Tony Abbott was the one who, on the 7.30 Report, said that a political promise doesn’t count for much UNLESS IT”S IN WRITING! I mean, WTF? And Julia Gillard cops all this heat?

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  32. Bride Body

    Jamila, Well said. Great article.

    I just read your tweet about the Young Liberals and laughed. You’ve already shown any of their arguments they might try on for size, to be bollocks! My debating coach would have loved you- you’ve anticipated what they (Opposition) would say and already pulled the rug out from under them.

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    • Bradley

      The coin has dropped.

      Jamila tweets and the faithful follow.

      Fair and balanced reporting. :(

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      • Chianti

        When did uou get Mamamia confused with The SMH? Its an opinion site! It’s not supposed to be “fair and balanced”

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        • Bradley

          So that’s where I went wrong !

          Aren’t I a dilly-dreamboat ?

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          • Teah

            Oh Bradley. We can always count on you for these types of inane comments.
            Next please.

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        • The Tip Master

          Is this really meant to be an opinion site?

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          • Bradley

            No. Chianti told me so !

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          • Bradley

            Chianti told me that this is an opinion site and that it isn’t meant to be fair and balanced.

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      • Scoo

        J.G has done a lot for this country.

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        • Sammy

          Yep got us into massive debt how great is that ! I’m beside myself with happiness.

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  33. Lil

    Joan Kirner and Carmen Lawrence were not subjected to the same criticisms. Maybe this is more about Julia opps I mean the Prime Minister than it is about women. As a card carrying member of the Labour party I am disappointed in her. Seems that I am not alone.

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    • Jamboree

      I must disagree I’m afraid… Joan Kirner got absolutely pilloried. She was constantly drawn in polkadot dresses to undermine her authority, despite the fact that she never once wore them – and this is just one example.

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    • Teah

      Check your card. It’s Labor.

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    • SMR

      It’s Labor not Labour

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    • HG

      If you were a “card carrying” member you should know how to spell Labor …

      Very sensible article which simply calls for respect – not much to ask …

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  34. Guest

    Quite agree. I’ve actually got a fair bit of time for the PM as a person (not met her but I know a few people who have whose opinion I trust who speak very highly of her – unlike her predecessor who appears to be uniformly loathed by anyone who has ever met him) but politically she’s been a disaster, in some cases due to bad luck but also some very bad political judgement. But she is the PM and should be treated as such which means a certain degree of respect. And yes, many on the left had a different view with Howard and will no doubt do the same with PM Abbott in about 12 months time but this doesn’t mean the rest of us can’t observe a minimal level of courtesy.

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  35. Caz Gibson

    Julia Gillard probably dreamed of being Prime Minister – but not of a government like this, and she’s been struggling with it from Day 1.
    Cranky old bastards spewing bile have ranted non-stop about our female Prime Minister simply because they simply cannot tolerate a female of power in our parliament……….You’ll hear this at barbeques, in workplaces, social gatherings of all kinds, and you’re supposed to nod in agreement otherwise you cop an earful of grandad rhetoric normally trotted out in pubs where the “little woman” is never invited.
    It’s become terribly tiring and predictable and I just wish this Prime Minister had been able to show her genuine merit by now. It’s like she’s been a contestant in that Japanese TV show “Takeshi’s Castle – being whacked unceremoniously into the muddy waters only to bob up again to jeers and smarmy, scripted “bon mots”.
    I’ve been a vegetarian for 25 years (because of animal cruelty in the food production industries) and the only people to consistently take exception to this (when they notice there’s no meat on my buffet plate) are the late middle-aged, right-wing religious males – the very same ones that attack Julia Gillard, and their script is always the same – the same as David Farley’s disrespectful crap.
    I don’t know which party I’ll be voting for but I won’t be putting my faith in any old bastards who themselves should be put out to pasture.
    How many of our great, great, grandmothers copped a horrible beating for daring to speak up all of those years ago ? The ones whose courage paved the way to our getting the vote………to even having female politicians or a female PM ?
    To those sycophantic females who hang on their ignorant, sexist male partners political views to show what “good girls” they are – acquire some guts before it’s too late.
    The problem of “What to do with Julia” isn’t the real issue.
    The problem is “What to do with the last bastions of misogyny who still have an audience and are guilty of corrupting our hopeful, non-sexist young men & women”.
    The young are our future – not these mouldy old cadavers.

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    • Hmmmmmmm

      Oh my goodness I don’t even know where to start with a response to this. You are up in arms about people “spewing bile” about our PM but you are able to call them “moldy old cadavers”? Come on

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    • Say What?

      Hi Caz
      Just a thought to ponder – it was Julia who knifed one of those cranky old bastards to get where she is today.
      The problem is not that she’s a woman, it’s that she is so ineffective that even members of her own party are extremely happy to dish the ‘bile’ and relentlessly leak rumours of a leadership challenge.
      You don’t have to be old, right wing or even a bastard to come to the conclusion that Julia is not doing anything positive for the country and that she does not deserve, or has earned, or is capable of fulfilling the duties of the office she now occupies.
      And that Caz, is what’s making a hell of a lot of people CRANKY!

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      • B

        Say What- How has she not earned this? There was an election between the so called ‘knifing’ and now. And she won 50% of the vote! Someone had to form government. What the hell did you want her to do?!

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        • Say What?

          She ‘won’ government by offering 3 independents personal ‘deals’ they felt they couldn’t personally refuse. These guys did not represent the wishes of their electorates when they jumped the fence – visit Tamworth or Oakshott’s home territory and check out how popular they now are…
          Not a week goes by without her OWN Ministers leaking something about a leadership challenge.
          If she believes so strongly – now – in the CT (that would be the one that 80% of voters don’t want) – hold an election…
          I am taking comfort about one thing in this post – with all this rampaging belief in honouring the office of PM (apparently regardless of who the PM is), Mr Abbott will naturally be afforded this level of respect on MM after his landslide election to office shortly :-)
          Can’t wait.

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  36. Chantelle

    Great article. I can’t press the like button enough.

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    • Bradley

      Don’t worry. Someone will push it for you…..or make it disappear !

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      • Melsie

        Oh sooky lala

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      • Say What?

        Hilarious and too too true Bradley!

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  37. Bei Na

    Great article. Balanced and fair.

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  38. The Tip Master

    Hey hey where’s the article about how Bill Shorten swore at a hard working woman the other day. Oh sorry, this is a site for lefties I forgot….

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    • Faybian

      Why don’t you provide a link to the story then? It doesn’t sound good either, but still goes to highlight the misogyny inherent in politics/politicians.

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      • The Tip Master

        Do I really need to provide a link to the story? This story has been everywhere.
        http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/bill-shorten-eats-humble-pie-after-milk-bar-clash-with-labor-supporter/story-fn59niix-1226442369622

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        • Faybian

          Been kinda busy. The story rings a bell now, but I have to admit that watching the new can be depressing at times and as a result I don’t always watch it.

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          • Bradley

            So unless it gets a run here……?

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            • Faybian

              Yes, Bradley. This week at least. This is my 6th day working and didn’t get in until after 6. Now I’m on the net and watching die hard, soon to go to bed so I can get up early again tomorrow for work. Is that a problem for you?

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            • Bradley

              What if I said, no ?

              So you’ve had a look at the link that references the Bill Shorten story ? Angry ? Disappointed ? Don’t care ?

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            • Faybian

              Yes I did and I am disappointed.
              Just because I’m obviously left leaning, just as you are right leaning doesn’t mean I agree with everything every labor mp does. Neither do I disagree with everything a lib/nat mp does either.
              Can you say the same about yourself?
              I also realise a lot of nasty sh*t’s been said about politicians of all persuasions and disagree with that, but I think it has gotten particularly nasty with our current PM.

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            • Bradley

              Yes I can, and I do…often.

              I simply cannot abide spin and or cover-ups, and in the context of this particular article, the fact the Shorten story has received no coverage in MM actually stinks. I mean, fair is fair. I read the article and apparently it’s wrong to have a go at JG because she is the PM and female, yet it is apparently sweet and dandy for the future male leader of the ALP to tear strips off a female worker for no good reason.

              Gimme a break ! I appreciate standards, not double standards.

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        • Bradley

          Not very nice ! The man is an aspirational future labor prime minister.

          Where is your anger now, ladies ?

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          • Teah

            Yawn

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            • The tip master

              Yawn. Top response.

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  39. The Tip Master

    Im sure the meat on Farley would be to fatty to get any decent bacon out of it. Only cheap black and gold quality bacon I’m afraid.

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  40. elle

    Great article Jamila! I completely agree. She is certainly a tough woman to have dealt with all that has been thrown at her!

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  41. The tip master

    Hmmm I do recall some disparaging comments from many about Abbott too…should ANYONE be treated so disrespectfully by others?

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    • jamilarizvi

      Hey tip master

      No of course not! Everyone deserves to be treated with respect.

      I remember in my uni days seeing the sort of things Prime Minister Howard was called and being totally appalled. I certainly wasn’t a fan of his Government but he was still our Prime Minister and deserved to be treated with respect.

      In fact one of my clearest memories of university was Tony Abbott coming to address students during the RU486 debate. Props to him because that was an incredibly brave thing to do, given the vast majority of his audience were going to disagree with his position.

      He stood up to speak and one of the far left groups of campus started chanting slogans or something and nobody could hear him. I’ve never been more impressed with the rest of the student body – who, despite disagreeing with what Tony Abbott had to say – defended his right to say it, to the hilt.

      Yes, this article talked about the gendered nature of political insults hurled at Julia Gillard. But my main point was exactly what you’ve said and that is that we should be able to respect the office our politicians’ hold even if we don’t like them as individuals.

      Jamila

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  42. Daisy

    Totally agree that she should not be called by her first name by Alan Jones and mebers of the public. So disrespectful.

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  43. Franky

    I believe that if we had a male PM doing the same kind of job the this current PM is doing, I’m sure the comment may have suggested a trip to the knackery instead! Lighten up everyone. I think the cows should. E the ones who were offended!!!

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  44. Hmmmmmm

    Mamamia, you forgot to state that this was a “sponsored post” by the Australian Labor Party! So much for balanced, responsible journalism!!

    As for the writer calling out for “respect” for JG, when Tony Abbott is depicted by cartoonists with massive ears, or John Howard with massive eyebrows why isn’t anyone “offended”. It seems we are only offended when a female is depicted in this way. Our PM took office knowing she would be under scrutiny, and yes this does include what she looks like- sad but true – and it has been the case for all of our male PMs before.

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    • jamilarizvi

      Hello hmmm,

      I see where you’re coming from. Yep, putting your hand up to be a politician comes with a certain level of scrutiny (as it should!) and cartoonists poking fun at you.

      But I would compare those depictions you describe as similar to the depictions of the Prime Minister with a really long nose or, a big bum (which happens). And those were things I didn’t call out in this article.

      The reason I didn’t mention them is that it’s the job of a cartoonist to exaggerate a person’s features to make them recognisable and for comic effect and I have no issue with that.

      My concern is that the insults thrown at the PM and the depiction of her as a prostitute by cartoonists is different – a seriously gendered kind of insult.

      Jamila

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  45. seaghan

    Jamila,

    Have you ever made or laughed at a budgie smuggler joke with Tony Abbott the subject?

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  46. seaghan

    Jamila,

    Can you do an article on the wives/girlfriend/mothers of the 6 young men who died installing insulation under that disastrous Rudd/Gillard/Garrett scheme?

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    • Guest

      Boy, you’re getting a bit hysterical over this. I smell a lynch mob moving in.

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    • D

      To blame the Government for irresponsible more than likely liberal voting business owners who do not provide adequate OHS on their work sites is a long bow to pull. Wake up and look at who really is to blame for the shody on site work practices. I’m sure that on other funded projects there has been the same disregard by “responsible” business people. Attack the real offenders for these deaths not the Government.

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      • Faybian

        I read an article about one of the young men who died installing aluminum insulation. He was provided with plastic nails to secure the insulation and deliberately swapped them for metal nails and was later electricuted due to the metal nails. As sad as his death was, he contributed to it. The government had nothing to do with that one.

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        • The Tip Master

          Actually, anything that any government subsidises unfortunately gives rise to “backyarders” joining the industry and performing poor quality work, with poor safety standards (and high prices often). The installer, who would have been new to the industry, probably didn’t understand the reasoning for the plastic nails. So while the individual was directly responsible for his own death by not doing what he was told in his half a day induction program, the government’s obsession with subsidies indirectly caused the deaths through allowing backyard, gravy train operations to spring up from nowhere and be allowed to sell in a service that they know very little about. A few days of training on a product & installation does not match the years of experience that long term installers of insulation have (and solar, etc, etc.)

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          • M

            I’m not sure how you can blame the government even indirectly for an individuals carelessness. By that logic you can blame anyone for anything.

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            • Anonymous

              Silly response .

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        • alyssakt

          I knew the last man to die. He was a lovely young labourer who was keen to make some decent money. He used normal staples instead of plastic ones. The ceiling lights had dangerous wiring and the metal staple electrified the aluminium sheeting.
          The rebate for sheeting was the same as pink batts (which is often erroneously blamed by the people badmouthing the scheme) but sheeting is hugely cheaper.
          There are cowboys in every industry. Here on the Gold Coast we’ve had many tragic losses of lives due to bad safety practices (some window cleaners on a construction site plumetted to the ground when someone moved the stacks of floor tiles off the roof that were weighing down their platform ropes, for example) but because no scheme was involved there wasn’t an outrage like the insulation scheme.
          There also would have been cowboys who took advantage of the water tank rebates – but water pipes don’t usually kill people.
          Yes, there should have been better training for those young men who tragically lost their lives – but that’s what their registered builder bosses were responsible for.

          It’s been made into a political issue by those who it suits to do so. Pretty obvious stuff to those who aren’t wearing blinkers.

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      • seaghan

        What makes an irresponsible person also a liberal voter?

        Those young men died because the government set up a scheme whereby any mug could set up an insulation company and not train the workers. Yes, the individuals who did not follow OHS requirements are to blame, but so is a government that allows such a shoddy method of administration for such a large scheme.

        So yes, I do blame the government, it was ill conceived, poorly administered and amounted to nothing more than money being handed over to shonky operators simply because they managed to fill out a form properly.

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        • D

          I stand my liberal voter comment as most business people are liberal voters that is a fact, the other fact is that most of the insulation was installed by operators involved in the industry any way. Politicians can’t be on every work site and I’m sure if the paperwork to get funding was to great then that would have been the governments fault as well. The upshot is the scheme was sensible given the need to give the economy a shot in the arm and if your obviously blinkered view could see past the political spin you would see this, I view my self as a swinging voter and can see the bias in the media that surrounded this issue. I don’t think the Government has done a good job on many issues, however the alternative is far worse, we need only look at what the Liberal State Governments have done in recent times to get a taste of what will happen if Tony Abbott and his cronies gets into power, billionaires like Clive Palmer will get richer and workers will get wage cuts and higher taxes. So take off the blinkers and really analyse what is going on.

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        • The tip master

          Agree

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    • masd270248

      seaghan, as a contractor and tradesperson, I fail to see how the scheme can be blamed for illegal and irresponsible operators ! If you really can’t see that point, I will try to spell it out in a later post….

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  47. seaghan

    So what? Did you complain when Julia Gillard compared Chris Pyne to a yappy dog?

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    • Bradley

      I don’t believe that I read that one.

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      • seaghan

        It happened a while ago and of course the media did nothing about it. Then when some goose made the “meow” noise at a female ALP senator Julia Gillard was recorded explaining to Bob Hawke how she compared Chris Pyne to a poodle. Of course the media made all sorts of a song and dance about the meow noises, but nothing about Julia Gillard doing it.

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        • beansbeansthemagicalfruit

          A simple Google search of Julia Gillard + Chris Pyne + mincing poodle will show that this was covered heavily by the media in 2009 and again in 2011.

          And wait for it… there was even an article on Mamamia where Rick asked if the line should be drawn at sexist comments considering what Julia called Chris.

          I knew your comments didn’t sit right with me.

          http://www.mamamia.com.au/news/bushby-apologies-after-meow-aimed-at-senator-penny-wong/

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    • Anonymous

      Did she really say that? I must have missed it. That is just not on! In fact I think we should start a petition to protest the comparing of Liberal politicians to dogs. What did the dogs ever do to deserve such unsavoury comparison?

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  48. Lucy

    Jamila – 2 words….lighten up.

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  49. Bradley

    But I know that you would never do that Anon because you were raised to show people respect !

    Don’t try to argue that your comment was taken out of context.

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  50. Say What?

    Hi Jamila
    I’m sorry – I had to read that twice, first time around I missed your apparent point – I was too busy digesting your Labor sponsored post…
    Please – if you’re going to pretend to write with such passion about gender bias in politics, it might be prudent to leave out the blatant political perks for the current Government – it was so transparent.
    Perhaps your comments might have been taken more seriously if while you were including quotes from “Turn Left” and links to the National Disability Scheme and yet another link to a piece of fantasy called “Gillard Government has achieved some great things” – you’d included a bit of balance?
    How about a link to the “Litany of Disasters” this Government has overseen?
    If you followed that link, you might find the answers to why Ms G is treated just as she deserves – with no respect.
    It’s not because she’s a woman – it’s because she’s an ineffectual leader and her Government is a total mess.
    Reflecting on – and affecting – us all.
    And people are tired of it. And tired of the last of her supporters trying to muster up the last gasps of sympathy for her and perhaps a few votes just because she’s a woman.

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    • Anonymous

      Agree. With. Every. Single. Word. You. Wrote!

      Well said : )

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      • Bradley

        I also agree. Just not with the fullstop after every word of your sentence ! Sorry ! :)

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    • jamilarizvi

      Hi say what,

      Thanks for your comment but I fear you may have missed my point. I’m not commenting on the Government’s effectiveness – I recognise a lot of people are disappointed in this Government’s performance and that is fair enough.

      What I am saying is that no matter how much you dislike Gillard (and you’re entitled to) that you should still be able to respect the role she holds.

      But thanks for the reminder that we should have disclosed my political affiliations in the article. I genuinely want to do that every time I write about politics – I was responding fast this morning and it’s a Saturday so it was an oversight. I’ve corrected that now.

      Cheers,

      Jamila

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      • The Tip Master

        I’m a member of the Liberal Party so perhaps Mamamia can give me the chance to write an article about the the disaster that is the Australian Labor Party…surely that’s fair?

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        • Mia

          We’re always open to submissions.

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        • Faybian

          Why don’t you write an article about positive things the liberal party do??
          I don’t believe she was specifically bagging out the opposition, so why do you need to bag out the govt?

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          • The Tip Master

            Faybian do you live in Australia, have you seen the Government? I think it’s a fair call to get stuck into the govt as a whole (I do agree getting stuck into the PM the way she has been is disrespectful however.)

            Mia, I would love to write an article however I’ve just read on this site that guest submissions on Mamamia are unpaid, and sadly I like to be paid for work I do. Is it correct that guest submissions are unpaid?

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            • Anonymous

              If you’re not willing to submit something then don’t whinge that nobody writes anything from your viewpoint.
              Get over yourself!

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            • Guest

              Yes, we’ve got it pretty tough in Australia because of that silly government haven’t we Tip Master. Maybe we should move to a more prosperous country where people have a better life? Let’s see… oh, there isn’t one!

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            • TheTip Master

              Anonymous I don’t see why I should help contribute to Mia or anyone else affiliated with this sites pay packet through advertising revenue when I wouldn’t be getting paid. I contribute plenty of time to volunteer organizations and I don’t believe this site qualifies as a volunteer organization. I’d prefer to write my piece for an organization that pays people…which I regularly do. Thank you for your concern you are welcome to get over yourself too.
              Oh and Guest, why is it that the country is in the position it is in? Is is due to amazing management by the Gillard government? Is that why everyone Is really really really hoping she gets re-elected?

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            • Faybian

              Did you really need to ask that question?
              I asked about writing a piece in favour of the Libs because you were the one who pointed out your membership and asked if you could write a piece pointing out the govts’ faults…..
              I guess from your responses that you’re not actually intending to write anything.

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            • The Tip Master

              Not for this site Faybian. I’ve written enough and contributed enough to page “hit rates” for Mamamia for one night, thanks.

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            • LJ

              Sorry I don’t much remember what good came out of the Liberal government. GST??? Small tax cuts at election time. No money spent on education, infrastructure, etc But I won’t completely bag the Libs, I remember that John did something about the guns after Port Arthur. That was a good thing but after that not much was done. And remember he lied about the GST…..

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          • old timer

            might be more suited to a tweet. 120 characters should be enough!

            yes bradley, i know you find this extremely offensive and i really should take a long hard look at what is going on around me….

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      • Bradley

        With respect, Jamila….I could smell spin from the opening sentence. It is well known that you had very strong affiliations with the federal labor government prior to taking your position with MM.

        Political articles should be balance, free of spin.

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        • Kelly

          Well that would make for a very boring opinion piece.

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        • pennypacker

          with respect Bradley, Jamilla, Mia and everybody else who works there, can write whatever they want to. After all , it’s Mia’s site.

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          • Bradley

            That is very true. But I’d much prefer a tutorial than a lecture.

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            • Anonymous

              Then go to news site

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            • Bradley

              Great comeback !

              One of the weakest arguments that I ever hear is the old “get out of the kitchen” one.

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            • The Tip Master

              Anyone gong by the name Anonymous has got balls of steel. How bout give us a name we can recognize in the future in the site, hidden Labor party member.

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            • Anonymous Too

              Yeah, because ‘The Tip Master’ tells everyone who you are and what your affiliations are.

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            • The tip master

              At least I respond to all articles under the same name as I have for many months. You anon too? More balls than you

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      • Hmmmmm

        So, will Jamilia be covering all future political stories? Sorry to state the obvious but having someone who is a card carrying Labor party member (and former staffer to Rudd and Gillard) doing your political pieces will not be balanced (as we have seen from the above article). I don’t read this site to be preached at, if I wanted to read Labor party spin I would become a member. I look forward to hearing a more balanced approach to future stories

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        • pennypacker

          if the site and the articles posted on it aren’t your cup of tea, maybe try somewhere else.

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          • Hmmmmmm

            Your comment would make sense if I had visited alp.org.au, but I actually visited Mamamia.com.au. I would expect Labor spin from the former, not the latter. Or are they one and the same now?

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            • Guest

              One of the MM writers is labor. So what? If you know that and it bothers you then why read it and get annoyed, to the point where you are leaving comments (what feels like all through the post), which say the same thing? I don’t get it.

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            • pennypacker

              your comment would make sense if this site was filled with labor story after labor story. But it isn’t is it. so stop whining about reading one article about it .

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            • The Tip Master

              Penny packer this site is a continuous stream of Labor spin. It always has been.

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            • pennypacker

              tip master , if you’re really that peeved about this site, why do you keep coming back? Maybe don’t read the articles that you may find objectionable in the first place, then you won’t get yourself all worked up.

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            • Bradley

              As I have already stated, the weakest argument that I’ve ever heard always begins with “if you can’t stand the heat”.

              The choice of champions !

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            • The Tip Master

              Pennypacker maybe I just come hear to shit stir? With everyone worked up in such a frenzy about how great Labor is it’s a pretty easy thing to do.

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            • Hmmmmm

              “guest” You ask why I am bothering leaving comments if this article annoys me. I will tell you why. Mia Freedman has always said she listens to her readers, and if people have issues / opinions with what is written she respects her readers enough to listen. I believe she really does read most, if not all of the comments, and really does listen to what her readers have to say.
              Jamilia has alluded in her piece that she will be writing future political articles for Mamamia. Would it not be more appropriate for someone with no political affiliations to be writing such pieces?

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            • Mia

              Hmmmmmm, yes I’m reading! See my response above…

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        • Anonymous

          You know what, Hmmmmm, it’s just like any newspaper. Take ‘The Australian’ for example – about 90% of it’s columnists and opinion piece writers are card carrying members of the Liberal Party. If you don’t want to their biased views, you simply turn the page. Easy.

          I don’t buy The Weekend Australian to be preached at either but the fact that they’re there is the price I have to pay to read the bits I do want to read.

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      • Say What?

        Hi Jamila
        Am very glad that my comment prompted you to add your political affiliation. Believe it’s a very relevant thing to let people know – that way the piece can be seen as what it is – your opinion, rather than an unbiased commentary or observation.
        I didn’t miss your point – I just don’t agree that this lack of respect for JG is anything unusual in politics in general, or specifically about gender bias, I believe it’s about performance and the lack thereof.
        All politicians are vilified in some way, it’s the nature of the beast. Am sure I’ve heard JG refer to “Little Johnny Howard” – if so, she is guilty of ‘stature bias’ and should be answerable / apologising to the short people of this world…
        Maybe JH was not addressed as “John” but he was routinely referred to as “Howard” without the respect of Mr PM in front of his name.
        As a woman, I am just sick of JG’s supporters suggesting that we should vote for her/respect her and/or in some way protect her because she’s a woman.
        Don’t agree – she’s supposed to be the leader of our country, and male or female I will judge her and vote on performance, not gender.

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    • Guest

      What does the “litany of disasters” comprise? I genuinely don’t know…wish people would be more specific about what they don’t like about this government…apart from the whole “back door” thing that happened years ago….

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      • Say What?

        Hi Guest… Where to start?
        Batts – businesses ruined, massive budget blowout, 6 dead
        Education “Revolution” – businesses ruined, massive budget blowout, schools with overpriced, badly built facilities that are unusable
        Economic “Stimulus” Package – everyone spent their $900 online with OS companies (speak to any major retailer, they are hurting more because of this than if it hadn’t happened)
        National Broadband – more people ‘running’ it than using it, biggest white elephant I can recall, massive budget blowout
        Digital Set Tops – Seniors don’t want them, massive budget blowout, yet another failure
        Change in Border Policies – hundreds dead en route, billions of dollars blown out, PM suggests we send people to Malaysia as a ‘solution’…
        Knee jerk shut down of live export industry with no research – businesses ruined, countless livestock destroyed
        Carbon Tax (that would be the one we were never going to have under JG’s leadership) – yet to do its full damage, but an ineffective piece of legislation that will hurt a fragile economy and make us non-competitive internationally and, most importantly, does zero for the environment
        International Adoption Reforms – much promised, zero done
        “I unequivocally support PM Rudd” – 72 hours later – “I am the PM”
        After being left a legacy by Mr Howard of the most stable economy in the Western World that saw us through the GST – country now billions in debt
        That’s not all of course, it’s just what immediately springs to mind. There are so so so so many more – in fact, the shorter list would be the ‘achievements’ – something, anything, that was a good idea, but was actually implemented correctly and on time and on budget – frankly, I can’t think of one off hand.
        Some of these policies were pretty good ideas originally – it’s the shocking lack of management and foresight that has ensured every one of them has been an unmitigated disaster and cost this country billions.
        In my opinion, Ms G – and Mr R before her, couldn’t run a chook raffle at the RSL on a Friday night and make it profitable or productive.
        It’s the attitude and lack of talent and leadership in this government that is the problem – not her gender.

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        • seaghan

          Come on Say What, be fair, the ALP did have a bloke who could organise a root in a brothel and they sacked him.

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