
The Mamamia office watching Julia Gillard’s speech.
I can count on one hand the number of times I’ve seen people come together from all over a workplace to gather in front of a TV, captivated into silence. Schapelle Corby’s sentencing. Ian Thorpe’s “big announcement” (his first retirement). The day Kevin Rudd was rolled as PM.
It’s rare and spontaneous and it happened this week when Julia Gillard gave the speech that became an international sensation. This was not a speech about politics. It had little to do with Peter Slipper or even Tony Abbott. This was a blistering take-down of sexism. It’s the speech so many of us have made in our heads in the cab on the way home; in the office bathroom; lying awake at 2am to the jerk who crossed the line and finally pushed us too far.
Julia Baird is a journalist, broadcaster and author (you can follow her on Twitter here). She has a PhD. on female politicians and the press, and her book on the subject – Media Tarts – is a fantastic read. In a weekend op-ed on Julia Gillard’s speech and the reaction to it, she wrote:
Julia Baird
It struck a chord because she made a speech millions of women have rehearsed in their heads for years – against a colleague, boss or opponent they consider to be obnoxious or sexist – but never made. Liberal women, Labor women, Democrat, Republican, donkey-vote women and even some Liberal women (just quietly) gathered around their computers and yelled, air-punched and cheered.
Because Gillard said things women aren’t supposed to say, in any job, and most of all, in politics. She made a speech that politically is dangerous and may cost her electorally.
They were the words we dream of being able to articulate with such assertive, methodical passion. That’s why Julia Gillard’s speech had women talking and fist-pumping this week. And that’s the story the press gallery and political journalists missed. As journalist David Marr said, it was the defining speech of Gillard’s career and one of the great political speeches in recent memory albeit delivered in squalid circumstances.
To focus on the circumstances and not the substance is to ignore the fact that Julia Gillard put the subject of sexism squarely on the table – not just in parliament but in offices, coffee shops and dinner tables all over the country.
How extraordinary (in a good way) to have these conversations about sexism and feminism and even misogyny taking place.
So what about the claims made by some (male) journalists and broadcasters that Gillard was ‘playing the gender card’?
Julia Baird isn’t buying it and neither am I. As she writes:
Julia Baird’s book
You’re just acting the victim, women have been told for decades when speaking about vile remarks, sexual approaches, or differential treatment. You should toughen up, take it on the chin, or accept it as a part of life. Or as Julia Gillard was advised repeatedly this week, turn the other cheek.
Because that’s what politicians do, right? Accept criticism silently.
…..This week Gillard made no suggestion she was a victim. She suggested sexism is wrong. The ”gender card” was ignored, and flipped on its head.
What will endure is this speech, and the electrifying moment when Australia’s first female prime minister fought back against those who say women have no right to lead: hard.
Have you found yourself having conversations about sexism and feminism and misogyny this week? Do you think it’s a good thing it’s being discussed?







Comments
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Thanks so much for sharing your view Mia. Keep doing it. We need someone in the media to remind people of what the true messages behind Julia Gillard speech.
I just read this piece tonight which also hits the nail on the head in terms of the feminism debate – http://ruthico.blogspot.com.au/2012/10/this-is-what-feminist-looks-like.html …
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Below is a link to a beautiful article that should be read. Its a one man’s view on why he believed the speech has resonated so strongly with women around the world.
http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/politics/now-listen-here-luv–when-words-become-weapons-20121014-27kv3.html?rand=1350215722455
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The article expresses the “silent rage” of an oppressed woman, once again.
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I came here to post a link to that, but you’ve already done it. It’s a really good piece.
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Hopefully that will explain the way the word ‘girls’ can be used differently to those questioning it below.
Sometimes using ‘girls’ as in ‘girls night out’ is harmless and well taken.
Sometimes using ‘girls’ as in ‘listen here girls’ is not harmless, or well taken.
It is not a double standard, it a recognition of the context behind the words.
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MM, would it be worth looking at the work of larry pickering to give people examples of the treatment that our PM has received.
as much as i would hate giving this creep any oxygen it would provide people who think she gets treated no differently a little insight. larry send all the coalition MP’s a cartoon each morning. sounds nice hey?
i am yet to hear of any of these MP’s express any level of disgust.
google if you want, but be warned it is offensive and extreme. the work of a truly horrible man
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Googled his cartoons. Wish I hadn’t. My God, I can’t believe some of them. Does he really send the cartoons to the subjects appearing in them every day? Imagine getting that first thing in the morning. Horrible.
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I’m really sick of being accused of mysoginy. (I don’t care how it’s spelt, you know what I mean)
Mysoginists whip women who talk to unrelated men, mysoginists shoot women if two of them can’t agree who will have her, mysoginists pack rape women and send text messages to their mates to come and join in. Mysoginists murder women if they bring an unacceptable dowry to the marriage.
Tony Abbott does none of these things, and to call him a mysoginists is offensive to men in general. It’s disgusting to keep saying
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Im sorry, you either a) have no spell check on your computer or b) do not know how to copy and paste, as it is listed several times in the above article.
By not caring how its spelt undermines your argument and makes you look lazy.
I wouldn’t call those thing you have listed (rape, violence and murder) as men that are misogynists, I would go one step further and call them criminals. We are living in Australia after all, not Afganistan.
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So, you’re a misogynist if you rape and/or murder – but anything short of that, and you’re a good bloke?
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As a slight aside, I just wanted to say how much I’m enjoying reading people’s comments. Just Saying, Mum of two cheeky moneys and Idle Dad are great examples of how to strongly disagree with someone’s opinion in an articulate, polite and respectful way, while still getting their points across. It’s great to see!
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Thanks Alice. That is really nice of you to say.
I really respect what each of them has to say on here. Mamamia is richer for having them on here contributing all the time to these sorts of debates. They both take the discussion to a better level don’t they?
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Alice I’m with you. This has been a very fruitful discussion and I think we are all learning a lot. So many varied and valid points of view for us to consider and all eloquently expressed. I have really enjoyed reading it all.
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Is there a link so we can watch/read the speech?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihd7ofrwQX0
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She threw down the gauntlet and Tony got Julie to pick it up.
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Exactly. Cowardly.
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As cowardly as playing the gender card at any glimpse of challenge by the opposition? To me that says calculated cowardliness
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The title of this article – ‘it was the speech we’ve all given in our heads’ – that is EXACTLY what some people I know said on Facebook.
And it has made me talk more about (and fight a bit harder against) sexism this week.
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i loved the speech and i think always will.
i hope it marks a turning point.
i hope this week less people put up with sexist crap than they did last week.
I know my friends and I have discussed this, and it has strengthened our resolve to fight more for what is right.
Go Julia!
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Gillard’s speech made me respect her so much more as a political figure. Not just the content, but the way that she methodically illustrated Abbott’s hypocrisy, moving between his current stance and previous actions. She had so much evidence against him, it was irrefutable.
Suddenly Abbott was held accountable for his actions, which is exactly what should happen in politics. But part of me is disappointed that the focus is still not on the actual governing of this country. It’s still all about the power struggle.
This situation is interesting though: we have a political structure in which a a woman is pitted against a man, and the latest result of that is a very public discussion on sexism. Is that the way it will be regardless of social status? Will it always come back to gender in the end? If you were having an argument with a man, would it be different to the argument you would have with a woman?
I don’t have answers to these questions, but I do think they’re good food for thought.
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Just read your article about Julia Gillard’s speech having little to do with Tony Abbott. He was the man she was pointing across the chamber and yelling at she would not be lectured by a sexist and a misogynist. A misogynist is one of the worst things a man can be accused of.
In a very public forum the Prime Minister listed off examples of his sexist acts which were few and minor. The man had to sit for fifteen minutes being verbally attacked he was embarrassed and humiliated by the Prime Minister as you wrote in a blistering take down on sexism. Pity that take down was a hurtful, offensive, abusive,sexist attack on a man. Hopefully all of you were not dreaming of doing what the Prime Minister did in a very public hurtful, vindictive, undignified and demeaning manner to the Leader of the Opposition displaying all the sexist behavior she was accusing him.
If the Gillard’s speech had women fist pumping all week perhaps women should have a rethink about their views on sexism for not matter to which sex hurtful offensive remarks are directed against they are equally disgraceful. The attack was low and grubby for the Prime Minister to play the victim and to get women’s sympathy for sexist attacks against her when in fact she was performing a hurtful and offensive sexist attack on a man.
At the time she should have been dismissing the Speaker for both his sexist attacks against both men and women she launched in a very public and demeaning sexist attack herself. On both occasions she acted disgracefully.
Elaine Henderson
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” The man had to sit for fifteen minutes being verbally attacked he was embarrassed and humiliated by the Prime Minister as you wrote in a blistering take down on sexism. Pity that take down was a hurtful, offensive, abusive,sexist attack on a man.”
Totally. Women are saying they will show this to their daughters – this is absolutely not how I want my daughter to behave.
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I have to respectfully disagree. This is how I want my leader to behave. With strength, conviction and passion.
“This is absolutely not how I want my daughter to behave” – this statement reinforces gender roles and creates unfair double standards.
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Not at all. I don’t want my son to behave this way either. In fact, I spend a great deal of time teaching my 3 year old how to respect people. I made the point about my daughter because many people have said they will use this as an example for their daughters. If either of my children are ever in a position where they feel bullied or mistreated, I want them to behave in a manner that is respectful and commands respect.
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Your kids are lucky to have such a great mum.
I mean that. Everything you write makes me think, in a good way.
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Still I’m not hearing you mention Tony Abbott and his “died of shame” comment to her immediately before the speech.
Can you tell me if you think waiting a month before poking a Prime Minister about the death of her Dad is graceful or disgraceful.
He was a being a bully, and he got it back in spades.
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What An Idle Dad said.
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Me too
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Is it just me or are other people also not getting email notifications any more?
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It’s everyone, I think.
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I have just a little more to add to this……..In my work in radio & TV stations and on TV locations – I’ve often been the only woman “in the room”.
The majority of people I’ve ever worked with have been male and over all it’s been, for me at least, a truly pleasant experience.
My husband and our best friend with whom we’ve had a long comedy writing/performing partnership are (of course) male. Even our son has had to produce/direct my work in a recording studio doing narrations & voice-overs.
In this business we have to produce/direct each other at times and it’s all about trust………any sexism I’ve experienced has been from the older males (at work or socially) who still don’t respect women’s abilities & talent.
When my husband & I conduct media/presentation workshops I find myself teaching mostly men – and the sexist language usually only comes from the older guys.
Encouraging that things ARE changing for the better – there’s hope, ….and that’s why Julia’s speech was so timely.
I have no need to feel that her speech was true ad-lib because all radio/TV performers (at least) know that often the best ad-libs are the ones you prepare.
I’ve been waiting for this moment from our first female PM and it won’t matter that the timing was politically “off” to the young women & little girls who might ultimately benefit.
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Very encouraging, Caz. But get this one – my 20 year old son recently asked his 35 year old half-brother why he always has Asian girlfriends. He’s been asking this question for a while, but couldn’t get an answer out of him. The step-brother has finally answered – he always has Asian girlfriends because they don’t age. This 35 year old still sees us as objects for the sexual gratification of males – merely as receptacles. Some things never change … or do they? Is this ageist, sexist or what? In any case, its perverse.
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I think the answer is that he is all 3. Disappointing to see this attitude still continuing.
I don’t know how you resisted not giving him a smack around the head.
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Happened on Facebook, of course!. Next time he visits he will be warned not to tie knots with his tongue that he can’t undo with his teeth and that’s only a mild example of what I have to say to him.
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It is really great that this has raised so much discussion, and so many women feel that they have been subject to this kind of sexism – that’s sad, and quite appalling.
My issue with the speech is this – I want my PM to be able to handle anything. I don’t really care about her individual sociopolitics, because she’s head of a party, and can’t introduce anything without the support of her party. But I really want leadership from her. I want her to be the better person. I want her to take the high road, and produce great results. Our PM has done none of those things.
It is the speech many women have wanted to give – but they didn’t. Why not? Because they knew you don’t get results by jumping up and down and throwing insults at people. They handled it, thrived on it, and got results anyway. In a sense that has always been something women have traditionally done better than men – thrived under pressure, multitasking, taking it on the chin and soldiering on. Its why we don’t get man flu. When we encounter this kind of sexism women traditionally have risen above and proved men wrong.
That in itself has created change – because men ignore women’s talents at their own peril if they themselves want to remain productive in the real world. Show us some real progress Julia, some competency, some leadership. Clean up the wasted time used for insults in question time. Stop the mudslinging by example, and just get on with it – if Abbott is really so unqualified to be PM, and such a sexist, the incredibly capable clever women of this country will see it and he won’t be voted in. But not if you stoop to personal attacks in parliament, a place reserved for intelligent reasoning, (or at least intended for that). This ridiculous behaviour from both sides, but largely lead by the labor, (yes, lead by the labor party!) party is counter productive.
Both sides need to create change through real policy – argument and adversary is intended to improve political ideology, not deflect from it!
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“Both sides need to create change through real policy – argument and adversary is intended to improve political ideology, not deflect from it!”
I agree with this statement which is why I find myself so disillusioned with both sides of politics in the current political climate. I do think it is quite possible that the Government is using sexism as a battering ram against Mr Abbott, which may only serve to undermine the debate. That doesn’t mean I don’t think sexism exists, or that I don’t find some of Mr Abbotts views sexist.
However I do disagree with one thing you’ve said. I don’t think anyone should have to just put up with any form of discrimination and get on with their job. If we all just got on with it all the time and never challenged the status quo, then nothing in history would ever have changed. I think if a person feels that enough is enough and it’s time to speak out then they should do so and it is even more important when that person is the Prime Minister.
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Hmmmm, I think that’s a valid point. No one should put up with sexism. I suppose my point wasn’t that she should put up with it, but that this wasn’t the forum for a 15 minute diatribe aimed primarily at one individual. I actually thing that’s quite mean – so was Tony Abbott’s snide comment, but it is quite something different to what Gillard did. It actually seemed quite a bullying tactic to be honest, and Abbott had little right of reply, at least in the immediate sense.
I tell my kids not to stoop to those levels because you never get what you want by yelling, being visibly frustrated, or berating people. The PM should be held to the highest standard, and should act for equality rather than being outwardly aggressive. It may have some women cheering, but it won’t effect change n the men she calls sexist.
I suppose the way I see the PM affecting change when it comes to sexism in politics is through her actions. John Howard was constantly picked on for his appearance – I can’t imagine him directing a good portion of question time to calling Mark Latham out on it.
Your point is well taken, I suppose I wish PM Gillard could fight sexism by example, showing young women and old men alike that a female prime minister is just as capable as a man. Obviously, I believe that sentiment to be true, but not because of Ms Gillard, who has hardly proven herself a capable leader. If she can do that, then a 15 minute speech on sexism in politics would be much better received, provided it was a) not on parliament time, and b) not so personal an attack.
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I agree in some respects, but I don’t think the grubby politics rests with the ALP alone, and whatever you think of her politics, she is the PM so she has shown that a woman can make it, and be just as capable. Quite frankly I think she is just as capable as Mr Abbott, which isn’t saying much for either of them.
As the mother of two daughters (and a very gentle son) I don’t want my girls to have to work twice as hard as their male counter parts so that they can receive equal recognition, and I certainly don’t ever want them to keep their mouth shut in order to be polite. I’m trying to teach them a balance between being assertive and picking their battles. It’s a tough one isn’t it?
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Absolutely – its definitely on both sides, and I absolutely agree with everything you said! Lets hope for some positive change soon.
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A thousand yes’s to this!
Just get on with being a great fecking PM . Do a great job. Be a leader. Earn respect and appreciation.
I’d love someone to interview leading woman in business, the one’s at the top of the game, usually they the held in high regard and are well respected by their peers and subordinates. Ask them how they dealt with sexist issues throughout their careers. I’d be willing to bet they did exactly what ‘Mum of two cheeky monkeys’ said : “handled it, thrive on it and get results” ” rise above it and prove them wrong”.
JG’s comments about TA attending Slippers wedding are particularly notable. This is a very personal attack and completely irrational. If Slipper murdered someone would all of his friends go to gaol? I mean they were friends..surely that means they are guilty by association? How ridiculous.
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I would absolutely love an interview like that!
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I would love an interview like that also, however I would like to hear Ms Gillard’s experiences as well. Love her or loathe her she is our first female PM and I’m sure she (and women like Julie Bishop, I’m trying to stay away from partisanship here) must have some very interesting stories to tell!
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Absolutely! I actually used to really respect Julia Gillard when she was in opposition. She has educated herself and been dedicated to politics – I think that’s commendable, and I would love to hear about the time before Kevin Rudd became PM – how she rose through the ranks of the Labor party. I think Amanda Vanstone and Bronwyn Bishop are also both amazingly well spoken and great role models for women. MM any possibility of a women in politics feature?
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I saw Julie bishop on kitchen cabinet and was very impressed by her, a much under utilised member of the libs
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Mum of two cheeky monkeys, I have read your comments on this article and the other articles about this speech with much interest.
I find that you often construct very well articulated, well thought out responses. And for that, I always make sure to read your comments.
You call yourself “Mum of two cheeky monkeys” – and I profess that I have made an assumption that you are a SAHM? Please correct me if I am wrong as I have not much other information to go by and the responses that you craft seem to reflect that.
I have a strong inclination to believe that you are living quite a different reality to women in the workforce (particularly women working in male dominated workplaces).
Again, if I am wrong about this I am happy to be corrected.
Like yourself, I am very vocal about this issue. But the reason is that I have “put up with” years of harassment, discrimination and the like in my life just for the virtue of being born a female with drive and ambition. I’ve copped in on the chin and soldiered on and now I am exhausted by it. My work ethic and propensity to cope with adversity and challenge means that bosses and superiors have loved the results I get and are very happy to take the healthy profits with open arms. Yet, I still have a glass ceiling to contend with regardless of how well I perform.
So due to those experiences, I felt a huge sense of relief when I watched Julia’s speech. I thought to myself – about.bloody.time.
I feel in a lot of ways that the crux of the issue is that for too long, opinionated, strong women are told by society and the media to put up, shut up, and just work hard. That the results will speak for themselves. It’s simply not true or the reality for women wanting a successful career.
If we lived in a world that was truly equal and there were not inherent, long standing biases and status quos to content with, then yes, your idealistic view that women would be judged on their merits alone would be one that could be considered.
However, I can only speak for myself in this. I want to say unequivocally that you truly do not understand the dynamics at play in workplaces if you really believe what you written above.
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Just Saying, are you able to give examples of what you have had to endure? I too find it dificult to understand but I guess I just haven’t come across anything that I haven’t been able to handle.
This is a genuine inquiry.
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See my answer below to Mum of two cheeky monkeys. That only details one incident that I have gone through that impacted the way I see the world.
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Sorry Just Saying, I have looked and looked and can’t find the one incident you mentioned?
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It mustn’t have come up when you checked. I was sexually harassed by a CEO and had to leave a job because of it. It was a very similar situation to what Kristy Fraser-Kirk went through at David Jones. I was around the same age as her too.
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Just saying, that is absolutely wrong – you have a valid grievance, (obviously), and I do agree that you should speak up about that treatment.
I’m not saying women shouldn’t speak up – But I think that’s a far cry from what Ms Gillard has experienced in recent media comments, which is what she was referring to in her speech. I’ve seen Amanda Vanstone comment on this situation, and I have to say her handling of sexism has been achieved results without the personal attack.
GRRRR Just thinking about women in that situation makes me mad, you must have felt completely helpless.
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This is a really great comment – I just love this type of discussion about politics.
I am a SAHM. I was an accountant working for many different clients, (a few come to mind that were incredibly sexist actually), and then ran a personal training business for 10 years. You would not believe some of the stuff a 20 something year old female trainer puts up with when it comes to middle age male clients. I stopped working and sold my business when my second child was born unexpectedly with complications. Immediately and without a second thought. And now I am waiting to decide what I can do next, as I’m not sure I can put myself through a client based business again.
I probably dont deal with, or haven’t experienced some of the things you mention and I agree that it is obviously a source of frustration for many women. And the cheif justice in me really responds to many of the comments people make – its just not fair.
But when I have been in situations where I have experienced sexism, I found that t was in my best interest not to respond with anger or frustration. It just doesn’t get me what I want – I lose the client, or upset my manager. Its wrong but in the end its true.
I believe very strongly that societal change comes from smart and capable people, whatever their gender, being so good at their jobs they cannot be ignored. I would listen to an impassioned speech from the PM. But she needs to be able to back it up with her performance, and I found her attack on Abbott to be counter-productive. I agree that many women wish they had made that speech – but it shouldn’t have been executed in the way it was, nor during parliament. What she actually did was speak volumes to many women, most of whom were already going to vote for her, whilst alienating her detractors further, and give them ammunition to highlight her many errors in judgement.
Aside from which the mother in me tut tuts and thinks – I would never let my kids speak that way to someone, regardless of what they had said first! I suppose it is that that bothers me the most – parliament has become so nasty and unnecessarily derogatory and most of what we hear from politicians has nothing to do with making change for our future.
I am passionate about politics and this is a great way for me to join the conversation, it is just so frustrating to sit on the sidelines!
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Thank you. Again, I find myself having massive respect for you even though we see things quite differently.
I cant help but think about the landmark Kristy Fraser-Kirk, Mark McInnes, and David Jones battle 2 years ago.
I have been sexually harassed by a CEO. I had to leave the job because of it. Meanwhile he got off scott free because I didn’t want to have to go through the stress and trauma of a legal battle with the company. At the end of the day it would have been too difficult for me to substantiate the claims and my name would have been dragged through the mud. I was smart enough to know that. I copped in on the chin, said nothing and changed jobs. I did what you recommended above. I then had a zero tolerance policy for comments of any sexual nature directed towards me. It changed me.
I look back know and see a situation where a middle aged white male with a superiority complex abused his power knowing that an ambitious, hardworking female in her early 20′s was desperate to prove herself.
When Kristy Fraser-Kirk allowed her name to be dragged through the mud in the media for the sake of helping women advance every where, I was eternally grateful to her.
I believe it had its desired impact in workplaces. A lot of men took notice and I believe some now think twice when engaging in this type of behavior.
Massive change requires massive action.
What Julia Gillard did by standing up for women everywhere will reverberate throughout time. It will change the public discourse.
In the short term it may do her no favors but I believe that it will have a long lasting positive impact for women (and therefore men) in Australia.
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Thank you “Just Saying” for these comments. Yes, most (if not all) women have suffered some sexism in the work place, direct or indirect, intended or unintended. And most of us have ignored it, turned the other cheek, taken the high road because we know that the unfortunate truth is that most action will hurt us more than the ones being sexist.
That’s why I love what Julia said and did. She is in a better position than most women in workplaces in Australia to be able to make a stand over this action. Although she may fear backlash from voters, she does not need to fear it from her boss or colleagues.
In relation to the comments by Mum of Two Cheeky Monkeys about Julia being mean to Tony Abbott – they probably were for the real world (I do think she went a bit too far) however we need to remember that this is in parliament. We all hate it, but the fact is that parliament is not like real life. The members are representing bigger ideals and people other than themselves.
Where else in real life do you argue with another person’s ideas and have 50 people behind you all yelling “hear hear”? Why can they be so passionate and (let’s face it) rude about the carbon tax, the treatment of asylum seekers, or any other issue without being called emotional and mean, but when it comes to sexist, personal comments, all of a sudden Julia Gillard is supposed to be polite and calm?
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I’m with you Just saying and Idle Dad.
It can be really hard to speak up, and I recently left a long-term job because the continued acceptance of inappropriate behaviour messed with my head.
Once, when I advised a Senior Manager that we had a client at the door who needed to be seen to he asked, ‘Does she have good boobs? Is she fat or thin?’ I was too shocked at the time to respond as beautifully as the PM, but I said, ‘She’s a client and she needs our help’ and walked away, but later wrote him a more articulate email explaining why what he said was unacceptable, and I’m always glad I did. He apologised and I hope it made him think.
But another co-manager has declared me the ‘politically sensitive one’ because I dared to tell him it’s NOT ok to say:
“Those are slut shoes”
“Oh, it’s the ‘Dubai’ model car? Does it come with added terrorism?”
“Oh, I wouldn’t travel there, I only go to civilised countries”
…and many more. Now, I love crass humour and I begrudge him implying that I can’t take a joke. There’s plenty you can laugh about without being a bigot. It takes guts to face up to it and call people out on their prejudics, but even if the immediate result isn’t world-changing, it all helps environments and people to evolve.
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Just got chills. Great comment, and great idea for a story on MM.
I really do respect where you are coming from, I just think a) Gillard’s treatment doesn’t constitute sexual harassment which is so much worse, and b) parliament should be reserved for making policy and discussing the direction of the country.
Sexual Harassment is not something I’ve experienced but I can imagine it would be incredibly life altering, confidence eroding and depressing. I have a whole new respect for Kristy Fraser Kirk!
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I believe that everything in politics is about shifting the fulcrum. If this speech makes women who were previously unable to feel like they can speak up, speak up, then i believe its been a good thing.
Obviously there has been some overkill – Gillard calling Abbott a misogynist is like killing an ant with a sledge hammer.
However the speech has moves the fulcrum towards women feeling like they have the right to take back their own power.
And maybe (hopefully) it will encourage more women to speak up against sexual harassment because they will feel like they might get some support from those around them. The reason I never said anything was because I knew I would not be supported.
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While lots of people say that rocking the boat never achieves anything, surely the opposite is true?
Staying silent has never – ever – led to change. Silence is tacit acceptance. Women often try the path you suggest (mainly because drawing any attention to sexist behaviour is overwhelmingly met by boors) but the ones who make a difference have always been the ones who spoke out.
Rocking the boat doesn’t always led to change, true, but it often does.It certainly always creates a discussion.
Finally, we have the two main instigators of political discourse openly acknowledge the sledging and a sensible adult discussion going on about it. Surely that’s better than them speaking via proxies – Abbott via Jones and other shock jocks, Gillard by unions (and both by nominated attack dogs in parliament).
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Idle Dad, I just think you are awesome. Just wanted to tell you that.
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Hi Idle Dad,
Love your comments by the way, despite our differences! I don’t advocate staying silent. But there are far better ways to achieve change than the way PM Gillard spoke on Tuesday. So far, despite her speech going viral, (and global), she has widely been criticised for the content and delivery. She has given her detractors plenty of ammunition to say she is playing the gender card – given her poll ratings, I’m not entirely sure I could argue against them. She has certainly been the victim of sexism in many people’s eyes, but the people that champion this speech aren’t the ones responsible for it. She won’t change sexist opinions by attacking a member of parliament in question time. Change takes time.
As for the rest of your comment, the idealist in me believes that politicians are capable of playing politics without such openly hateful sledging, (on both sides), and that real progress can be made to advance national interests. Most of the highest offices in the country are held by women – surely these women are in fact effecting change by the mere fact they are in such positions, let alone their ability to influence and direct policy?
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Hi Mum of two cheeky monkeys,
Our differences are smaller than we’d expect.
We both agree that sexism actually does exist and should be confronted and addressed. Others here disagree, or see men as the constant victims. Your discussion seems to be around the finer points of if our PM is suffering from sexist attacks, if she was wise to act, is Abbott actually a women-hater (forgive me, I’m a terrible speller) or just plain old-fashioned sexist or a thoroughly modern man.
There’s certainly a wealth of support for all those propositions, and mostly it comes down to our gut. I for one, don’t trust Abbott. I read Battlelines, I still shake my head.
You see it differently. I’m happy to chat about that any day of the week.
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There is a fantastic article today in TheAge / SMH about all of the vile thing labor (and a lot of times labor women) have said of Abbott. But all of that is fine, because Tony is a man, and a right leaning man of faith at that – so go ahead and say what you want.
Lets face it, the whole parliament need manners, it isnt just a male against female issue, and turning it into that is just political opportunism.
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Gosh her speech is going to be regurgitated for years to come. How many articles just on this site have we had already?
It could have been a good speech but the motivation behind it, deflecting from Slippers sexist remarks, and the wrong use of the word misogyny detracts from it`s impact.
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For the wrong use of ‘misogyny’ see; Micke Seccombe’s “Word Of The Day” article http://www.theglobalmail.org/blog/word-of-the-day/421/
For the sexism of Slipper’s SMS, see Christopher Dunne’s comment in the same article.
This was not a deflection from Slipper’s remarks, it was a response to the Opposition demanding a response to sexism and they were met with several examples of thrown stones in glasshouses, kettles critical of the pot’s colour, and of bumcracks calling the armpit hairy.
I just surprised the Prime Minister didn’t have a crack at Christopher Pyne for his pathetic display during the previous night’s Q&A on ABC (http://www.mamamia.com.au/news/kate-ellis-shut-down-on-qa/)
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An earlier comment posted here says “I am filled with a silent rage every time I experience it [sexism]“. This has been my life for the better part of 58 years. Silent rage. In the workplace, at home, everywhere I go. I’m so glad Julia Gillard articulated this silent rage publicly. I’m at the stage now where I’m old enough and ugly enough to articulate it anywhere anytime without any concern for consequences. I used to concern myself with consequences, but now I know for sure that the consequences are far worse for all women everywhere in the future if I don’t.
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Mia, I don’t necessarily always agree with you, but I’m right there with you on this one, 100%. It concerns me how many women have accused Ms Gillard of hypocrisy over the Slipper issue and are hanging out to vote for the opposition. It really highlights everything that is wrong with society today. Ms Gillard said, to quote, that she was offended by Peter Slipper’s text messages, because she is offended by anything that is sexist or misogynist, but that she believed the appropriate course of action was to wait for the court hearing to be seen through to enable the parliament to gain a full picture.
I am grateful that she stood up and held Mr Abbott accountable for his behaviour and his words. It was about time it was laid out on the table. It was the kind of speech I’d like my gloriously academically gifted 10 yr old niece, and all young girls and women, to watch – it was empowering. I personally hate to think the direction this country will take under the leadership of Tony Abbott. I hope those whose votes are undecided consider Abbott’s stance on issues like welfare, gay rights, asylum seekers, global warming and education and health very seriously before casting their votes.
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I’m going to have a bet both ways, and say that I suspect that the speech was at least in part prepared, politically opportunistic, and not really relevant to the question. However none of these things mean that she wasn’t sincere, and the fact that her words have clearly resonated with so many around the world would strongly suggest they have value that to some degree transcends the circumstances in which the were spoken.
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The speech was orchestrated and pathetic. Kate Ellis used the same line on QandA when she said, out of the blue and completely unprovoked – ‘I will not be lectured by Piers Akerman on women’s issues.’
Then Julia uses the same line?! Pffft, more nonsense from McTernan. He’s already orchestrated the downfall of two governments so, naturally, with their appalling judgement, the ALP employed him to drag Australian politics into the gutter.
If Tony Abbott had abused Gillard like that, would you all be cheering? She was disgraceful. She owes him, his family and his staff an apology.
Like everything she does, this will backfire. Question time this week will see Julie Bishop and the women of the Coalition wipe the floor with our PM.
She once told TA, ‘Game on,’ well it most definitely is now. It’s a game of her own making and one she won’t win.
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Not a game of her own making. Julie Bishop and the ladies of the coalition will not get anywhere near her rhetoric. They don’t have the skill level. Not a game of her own making because the issue of ‘Women in the Thesmophoria’ (the name of a play by Aristophanes written in 5th century BC, Thesmophoria is a Greek term for assembly/parliament) is ancient. The gender card must be played constantly for any progress towards a real (not superficial or feigned) liberation for women. We’ve waited long enough, don’t you think, since Aristophanes first addressed the subject in comic form in the 5th centiry BC. Germaine Greer did a translation of another of Aristophanes very feminist, comic plays – Lysistrata. You all may think this is totally irrelevant. Read them and you will find out that our struggle, as women oppressed by men, is never untimely or unnecessary, and certainly not of our own making.
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In what way was her speech abusive of Tony Abbott? Pointing out his many blunders is not abuse.
I’m glad she finally called him out on his backward views on women. Having a wife and daughters does not make him a feminist.
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I have watched the PM’s speech three times in full now and am so very proud of her for saying something that I feel every day. I work in a male dominated field in an isolated area and before that was in the Army for 11 years. I have been ‘taking it on the chin’ for years, and laughing off the most vile and revolting behaviour (in public) just so I can survive and do my job. This week I had actually started a “sexual harassment quote of the day’ email to my girlfriends back home, just to try and make light of what is a daily onslaught of sexism and misogyny (yes I mean that in the full woman hating definition of the word). So when I saw this I was sitting here cheering for the Prime Minister with a tear in my eye, because I wish I had the courage to do so also. I don’t care about Peter Slipper and that rubbish – to talk about that is to miss the real point of why this was such an historic speech.
Thank you Prime Minister Gillard for saying something I have been thinking for years.
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One of the good things to emerge from Julia Gillard’s speech is that more people know what misogynist means and more people recognise sexism.
This has become the current “water cooler talk” in workplaces and social groups and it’s timely.
It’s timely because even though people argue that gender is not a reason to dislike and support our PM – with some people, it definitely is and I’m tired of the weak, anachronistic arguments that are still trotted out amongst the “cranky old bastards” and the “boofheads” and those “loyal supporters of the old Australia”.
Things have changed……Australia has changed and in most ways – for the better.
Part of my childhood was in Auburn, Sydney and if ever there was a “mom & pop” suburb – that was it…When I walked out of the gate of the public school and crossed the road I was almost in the door of the best fish & chip shop which was owned by (I believe) Italians….when I visited the Deli opposite the station I could get baclavas from the Lebanese family & next door there was great Chinese food………..when I arrived home I could visit the Maltese family on one side and the Italian family on the other – our whole stretch of the block was a little “league of nations”. – and I loved it.
Difference was everywhere and none of us in our class imagined that we couldn’t be anything we wanted – anywhere in the world.
I give credit to my parents for not filling my head with sexist ideas and those “old school” reasons for not achieving just because I was female – not so sure about my grandparents though.
Either you listen to the old “men are the head of the household” nonsense or you discard it as irrelevant and move on, just as our country has moved on – it will be painful maybe, but not for me………I always did see men as equals……..lol.
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I think the idea that we need watercooler discussion about sexism in pariament a bit strange, given that the PM, speaker, Governer General and Attorney General are all women – the 4 highest positions in parliament. What exactly do we need to be talking about at this watercooler?
This is the problem – the ALP can hardly argue sexism when the four highest positions of power in the country (as well as the richest person) are all women. So they have to go looking for evidence of sexism in comments made by Tony Abbott 20 years ago, which is a bit pathetic in my book. I am sure if we had transcripts of everything Julia Gillard has has over her life, we would also find the odd sexist joke, male put down etc. Really, who has NEVER gone there?
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Wounded Bull – ever spent time at Parliament?
I was there last week and had no fewer than 3 Senators refer to me and my companion as ‘girls’. They could not have been more dismissive if they tried.
Just because some women have made it to the top does not mean there isnt an attitudinal problem.
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What’s the problem exactly, are you actually male?
This is the type of petty outrage that we have been led to with all of this, calling a women a girl is extreme sexism now, yet those same senators calling males boys, lads or blokes, no one would care.
I would not think it sexist if in parliament with friends are a female referred to us as ‘the boys’, I mean, seriously.
God, men in power are even called ‘the boysclub’, so is that being sexist against males, calling them boys?
If that is the worst example of sexism, then come now, me thinks you need to lighten up some, an not go looking for sexism in everything that happens to you.
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Calling a woman ‘girl’ or ‘girlie’ is not comparable to calling boys ‘the boys’. They have have both eventuated from different places and hold different nuances to their meaning. Girl usually quite derogatory.
I think you would take offence to being called ‘little boy’ or ‘little man’ wouldn’t you? That’s probably a closer comparison.
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Interesting point – have you ever had a girl’s night, or gone for coffee with the girls?
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And here is the crux of the problem. When a saying is applied equally to males and females it’s somehow offensive to women, yet ok to say to a bloke.
Is it any wonder lots and lots of men think women are hypocrits when you apply that logic?
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I call my husband and his friends boys all the time and no one blinks. This kind of reverse sexism actually deflects from real women’s issues globally.
And Lord I wish someone would refer to me as a girl instead of a lady!! If anything its probably ageist – I wouldn’t mind people assuming I’m younger than I am!
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Historically, men have called women girls in order to put them ‘in their place’ as children. Women calling one another girls to evoke a sense of youthfulness in going out for an evening without partners and children is quite different usage.
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rk below – I have always thought that we give words power. Perhaps historically the use of the word ‘girl’ has been derogatory, but so has the word ‘boy’. Just ask Bert Newton and Muhammed Ali after the disasterous logies speech Bert made years ago.
Historically, yes. But I don’t think it is accurate or relevant to assume that every male that uses the word girl is being sexist, just as it is not sexist for me to use the word ‘boys’ for my husband and his friends.
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wounded bull, going by what you say, that because the 4 highest positions in Parliament, and the richest person in Australia are all women, that we don’t need to have discussions about sexism or calling out sexist behavior , is ridiculous. That’s like saying because The President of the United States of America is black, and the richest woman, Oprah, is black, racism doesn’t need to be discussed anymore in America. Sexism and racism will always be issues that need to be addressed, regardless of how far we all think we have progressed.
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No wonder the bull is wounded
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Such a clever play on words, well done.
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Thank you, sweet-thing. May I ask how the bull got wounded, then?
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I may not agree with The Wounded Bull often, but I too laugh when people try to pull a fast one on my chosen screen name!
For the record, I’ve always assumed it’s a play on “Charge like a wounded bull” or it’s opposite, “doesn’t charge like a wounded bull”.
I may never know the truth.
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I am so amused when politicians refer to parliament as a “robust” environment. By any standards, it is simply abusive… and hey? Guess what? It is unacceptable. When will they realise… there could be nothing less productive.
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I did it again, I read the damned comments. I really should stop as many are ignorant, ill informed and just make my blood boil. However, I continue to be amused by the poor spelling and grammar of some. The funniest though, are those who are preaching about the misuse of the work ‘misogynist’ and then misspell it. ROFL!!!
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Yes, how hysterical. Don’t you mean ROTFLMyear9AO?
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yep, because a spelling mistake proves someone to be a halfwit doesnt it, and in the process makes you feel superior and makes your opinion correct.
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If in my workplace anyone accused someone else of being sexist, and was offended by their actions, they would have been in a lot of trouble, probably even lost their job. It is discrimination, and harresment, and it’s wrong. But in politics it OK, and people even in this forum are telling the PM to ‘toughen up’ and ‘stop complaining’. In my opinion, she has every right to complain. And you have to be bloody though to do that. It is so much easier not to say anything.
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The point that seems to have been missed by many (especially the women who rave about the PM’s rant last week) is that if Mr Abbott had stood up and waved his finger around saying THAT WOMAN OVER THERE IS A MISANDRIST all hell would have blown up with calls for his head.
The PM’s rant started with what could well be rehearsed lines and only just touched on Slippers text messages, it was Ms Gillard’s opportunity to have a go At Mr Abbott and unfortunately he gave her extra ammunition to use.
The whole exercise was to try and counter attack Mrs Abbotts support of Mr Abbott the previous week.
The defence by Labor stooges about Mr Slipper was that it was before the Courts and it was evidence that could be sub judice etc etc but Mr Slipper had confirmed publicly by Tuesday that he had written them.
My concern is that as the Speaker of the House of Reps he held one of the highest positions of Parliament besides the President of the Senate and in that capacity he was person in charge of running the House including the female staff, dealing with Female elected representatives, the person who would receive female dignitaries including The wife of the President of the USA, meet with the Female Governor General Quentin Bryce and with the Governor General greet the Queen of England.
How embarrassing it would be for any of those females to shake his hand and smile with the knowledge he had sent such lurid texts.
As a son, husband and as a father I was disgusted by Slippers txts but equally I was ashamed that the Prime Minister used her own political point scoring to show girls that they can use their gender to cry wolf when a male disagrees with them.
Labor Gutter politics started to go down with Keating and Ms Gillard has put them into the sewer
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Absolutely true. Well said.
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No words for Abbott “died of shame” comment to Gillard immediately before she made the speech? Interesting.
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Your short comment says it all. The ‘died of shame’ stuff was plain nastiness. Viscious. TA could not have chosen a nastier comment to make to a woman in grief. He kicked somebody already on their knees. And in an environment among people from whom we certainly don’t expect barbarism. What a coward.
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great point. he would have been hard pressed to find a nastiet phrase to use
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deps, I’m sure you complain about anti!white!racism! as well.
*yawn*
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The other issue with her speech is that she seems happy to ignore sexist behaviour from her own staff. Cue the tweet from a Labor MP about the Greens leader. Oh and unfortunately the Union movement which funds most of the Labor party is riddled with sexism…that too.
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I think the word ‘misogyny’ is being over-used, and more to the point, MIS-used. I don’t think Tony Abbott hates women per se, which is something a true misogynist does. I don’t think Abbott understands women.I think he is chauvinistic and sexist. I think he’s a time traveller from the 1950s when women wore gloves when out in public and knew their place in the kitchen. I think he is an oaf. But a woman-hater? Not really.
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It struck such a cord because of the sheer truth of it; I think she really spoke from the heart and that’s what caught our attention. It wasn’t just a boring/ rehearsed political speech; she spoke from the heart. And we got chills. Let’s face it, as much as we may not agree with her policies etc., she has remained extremely strong and firm in a terribly difficult type of government – which is pretty much hung – and yet they’ve got things across the line. She’s been the ‘iron lady’ for some time. What man has articles written about the size of his ‘earlobes’ or his ‘backside’? No men are just accepted even when they may be fat and bald. What’s that got to do with it – nothing, of course. The speech is inspired, because it is real – and the look on Abbott’s face is priceless; he literally cannot look away, and get’s darker by the minute because he himself is spellbound by it, and knows he’s getting a shellacking. I think Gillard is spot on when she describes him as the face of ‘modern day misogyny’; he doesn’t even realise it. I hope he learns a lesson from it. She wasn’t the first to convey these feelings about Abbott; women have picked up on his comments for ages now. He just doesn’t get it – or maybe now he will hopefully ‘reflect’. Whether he’s married and has a gazillion daughters has nothing to do with it.
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She didn’t speak from the heart. It was written by speechwriters to cause a distraction from Slipper, the Bruce Wilson scandal, 22000 unauthorized single men arriving on boats from the Middle East, a huge financial crisis ….
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Yes, I find the best way to distract people from talking about something or someone is to talk about them in a speech in Question Time debating that person. What an interesting point of view you have!
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Loved this article, well said.
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Hey Faybian,
Found out a few weeks ago that my lymphoma has gone into remission.
I cried.
What a sook!
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That is absolutely fantastic!
Don’t consider yourself a sook in any way. I feel a bit teary for you and I haven’t even met you.
Let’s hope it stays that way.
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Faybian, you are one of the nicest, wittiest and most intelligent women on here. I love reading your comments. Great news anon. Best of luck.
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Thanks….I’m blushing. I always look forward to your comments here too.
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I didn’t find Ms Gillard’s speech at all inspiring. I thought it was a case of a bad tempered person complaining when someone calls her out for being a complete hypoctrit.
I’ve seen this happen in politics, at work and at community groups, whenever criticism is directed at the person in charge they descend into abuse of the person who levels the criticism. It’s weak and doesn’t show leadership, it’s nothing more than simple abuse by an incompetent person.
The way she spat out “this man” at Mr. Abbott said a lot more about Ms. Gillard being a mysandrist than Mr. Abbott being a mysoginist. I notice that the very people who congratulated the PM over this speech joined the chorus to vilify Alan Jones when he used the phrase “these women” a few weeks ago.
Personally, as a male australian, I’m sick of the word mysoginist being bandied around as soon as a woman is criticized, and it seems to happen whenever a woman of the left is criticised, the very same people are being remarkably silent about the obscene joke that was told about Mr. Abbott’s chief of staff.
Just remember, Ms. Gillard defended a man who made vile comments regarding women immediately after this speech, and the speech itself was held during the debate to sack Mr. Slipper as Speaker. She therefore defended a man who is a true mysoginist while attacking Mr. Abbott.
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and as a woman – I’m sick to death of hearing about it. Nothing inspiring about her speech at all. She needs to buy herself a dictionary and look up the meaning of misogyst. Her speech was cringeworthy and embarrassing that it has gone global
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“whenever criticism is directed at the person in charge they descend into abuse of the person who levels the criticism.”
Whenever? She’s taken it on the chin from Abbott since he became leader. His behaviour’s been consistently appalling and she has just got on with the job, without calling him on it. Finally she says something about it. Please don’t accuse her of doing this ‘whenever’ or ‘as soon as’, because she hasn’t.
Comments like yours just show she’s got a point.
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Linda, you’re missing the point.
Ms Gillard, or other members of the Government front bench, are very quick to label Mr. Abbott as a mysoginist or a sexist, and it’s that constant reporting of that labelling that has made people form the views that they have. His comments are always misquoted, misrepresented or abridged to make him sound much worse than he really is. I have heard him speak on several occasions, yet when I read what has been reported and then discussed is completely different to what he said. The Labor Party are masters at using the media to their own advantage, and the media luvvies fall for it every time. Tony Abbott has never commented on the way the PM dresses, and neither has anyone else in the Liberal Party, yet when Tony Abbott wears budgie smugglers while competing at a triathlon, all hell breaks loose.
I’m not trying to make a pro Abbott, anti Gillard statement, what I’m trying to say is that there is a large volume of hypocrisy happening.
I’d also remind you that Ms Gillard, when asked to repeat her comments outside of Parliament, where she has no protection from litigation, declined. That says an enormous amount about the truthfulness of what she said.
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Abbott was there standing with the morons holding the ‘ditch the bitch’ placards at that moronic witch-hunt.
This was a long time coming. Linda missed NO points.
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And Ms. Gillard was standing with the staffers who promoted the race riot on Australian day.
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That was another orchestrated event! It came from her office and endangered Abbott!
What the blazers is going on with her?
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and she was shown being concerned about Tony Abbotts safety too. She was not to blame for her staffers being a pack of f*^kwits.
All politicians are misquoted/have their statements edited. The most famous example being the “there will be no carbon tax……”. Sentence is hardly ever completed.
In a similar manner, no politician repeats what they said in parliament while under parliamentary privelige.
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Linda,
What would your reaction be if someone called Ms. Gillard a mincing poodle?
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Thank you very much, FULL STOP. Amen!
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Today was the first day I actually went and found her speech to listen to it. I cringed the whole way through it. I wanted to tell her to toughen up. I can’t believe someone can graduate highschool, and university, and still not understand what misogyny is, or at least have the ability to look it up in a dictionary as she clearly doesn’t/hasn’t. You might not like Abbott or his policies but he is NOT a misogynist. Misogyny is a hatred, HATRED of women. It is not making sexist jokes about them, or being intimidated by successful women (not that I believe Abbott is, but some men are). It is denigrating them, abusing them, and objectifying them. Similarly, while I think Peter Slipper’s text messages were crass and gross, I don’t think they were sexist either. Sexism is judging a person on their capabilities based on their gender. I have never heard Abbott do or say something like that, and I don’t think Slipper’s text messages fall under that category either. But if you are going to get your nose out of joint over Abbott’s “sexism” you have to be consistent and criticise Slipper also.
One comment from Gillard that really got up my nose was when she criticised him for not taking responsibility for the activities that went on at the young Liberals’ event and his ministers who happened to be there. Why on earth should he? It was not an officially-endorsed Liberal Party event. If it was then yes he’d have to take some responsibility. But from everything I’ve read, it wasn’t. And Alan Jones is not a member of the Liberal party either. Gillard also criticised Abbott because apparently his ministers didn’t speak up against Jones’ comment. My understanding, from reading the accounts of people at the event, was that as soon as Alan Jones made the comment, many people in the room did make it known that they thought it wasn’t funny. I don’t know who and I doubt Gillard knows who either. Either way Abbott should not be held responsible for what went on there.
I cannot believe she wasted all her speaking time whinging about admittedly rude but nowhere near ‘misogynist’ slogans like “ditch the witch” (I’ll admit it, I laughed). While Gillard might not have made herself out to be the victim she did go on about “I was offended” many times. Ok love you were offended, that doesn’t make Abbott a misogynist. It makes him a typical politician who’s had a few jabs at his opponent. Just like Gillard’s done many, many times.
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Agree. The guilt by association thing gets me. Surely Abbott should be no more accountable for a sign heald up behind him at a rally than ALP frontbenchers should be accountable for the routine of that comedian at the CFMEU dinner.
Same the stupid comment by Alan Jones (that no senior liberals were at anyway).
It is almost as if karma delivered that comedian’s routine, just to keep the ALP real.
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Gillard had a go at Tony Abbott about taking responsibility for the activities of the young liberals…because he, first, said that she should take responsibility for the actions of Peter Slipper, as speaker for the goverment. Her point was…who are you to lecture me about taking responsibility for someone else’s actions, when you won’t do it yourself.
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Is she going to take responsibility for the filthy remarks made by the comedian at the Labor dinner where her front bench laughed their heads off?!!
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Abbott is the one who suggested that, as leader of her party, she should take responsibility for Slipper. She fired back at him, well, you’re not taking responsibility for your staff, are you? So, no, she is not taking responsibility for the bad taste union jokes, why should she? Why should Abbott take responsibiltiy for his MPs? The whole ‘taking responsibility’ thing was Abbott’s idea, not hers.
JG’s speech needs to be interpreted in light of what TA said to spark it…context, context, context.
Also, her front bench did not ‘laugh their heads off’. Apparently, the joke fell very flat.
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My take on sexism is, if you reverse gender roles, do you get a different outcome or community standard. If yes, there is probably sexism at play. And for the record, it can happen both ways around.
With regard to accountability for comments by parliamentarians, here is where I feel this whole current misogyny fixation breaks down, and shows the current state of affairs to be nothing more than strategy based upon labor polling showing that abbott is less well liked by females.
Ask yourself, how many female friends you know that, in personal conversation, have referred to the male anatomy by a name other than penis, or referred to the way it looks (god, even MM runs regular posts about the things that look like pensises).
Ask yourself how many female friends you know that have joked or judged males about the way they do things, such as how they changed the baby, or dressed a daughter.
Ok, so we now all agree that we are only human, and these types of things are sometimes said, be it in humour, in confidence or whatever.
The things is, right now in politics, any of these types of things said by a male politician about a female almost spells the end of a career . Even if it was a personal conversation, or something said while a teenager at uni. Every comment is on the record, just waiting for a time for it to be used back against you.
And here is where it is sexist in my opinion. Reverse things, and find a time, for instance, that say Penny Wong made a penis joke (I am sure whe has at some stage), and stuff all would happen. Nobody would care. There would be no community outrage, no cries of misandry etc.
Ok, so I can only conclude a sexist double standard at work here, where men are more accountable than women and are the only ones that have to walk on egg shells for everything they say now now on.
The fact is that this is driven by the labor power machine that have seen an angle to deflect and build on the female leaning to Julia Gillard. It is just so orchestrated, right down to making sure that only women sit behind the prime minster in question time etc. It is nothing to do with standards, otherwise everyone would be held to the same standard.
Thing is, I think many many Australian women are smart enough to see it for what it is.
Given the double standard outlined above, I have to conculde that it is indeed a gender / victim card being played for all it is worth by the ALP. And push the accountability to its full extent, across both genders, and I feel you would have nobody left in the place (maybe not a bad thing lol).
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Pretty sure Wayne Swan and Anthony Albanese were sitting behind her.
In politics most things are fair game, but gender should not be one of them.
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A worthy argument, except I have never heard of any politician losing having their career ended due to making a sexist comment.
Bill Heffernan is still a pollie. Pyne is still a pollie. Abbott is leader of the opposition. Surely any one of the sexist or anti-women remarks should have destroyed one of them, if your argument was true. All I see is high fives.
Slipper might be out, but he had lost pre-seleciton (and therefore, his political career was dead) long before his text messages came out.
The nearest I can think of was John Brogden after he called the NSW Premier’s wife a ‘mail order bride’ which is, now I type it, more racist than sexist. He did also apparently grope a woman a bar. As per Slipper, he was on the nose with the right in his own party, and was ejected forthwith.
Do you have any actual examples?
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I consider myself a feminist but what resonated with me about this speech was the fact that Julia Gillard finally displayed the character she used to display before she became the careful prime minister. She has always been capable of such work and used to display it readily.
For me it wasn’t about the gender stuff. It was about calling people out on the bullshit and being a leader! I think it has given some of us hope that the political climate can change!
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No, it was abuse and lies. She should be ashamed of herself. Yet again, she and her advisors have misread the electorate.
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So that list of facts which are easily check able were lies hey?
Who says the speech was just for the electorate which she didn’t necessarily misread anyway?
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Misread the electorate? Are you kidding? We can all read the electorate right now, including the ALP. We have a hung parliament. This means the electorate doesn’t have enough confidence in either major party to vote them in. A Very Dangerous Political Situation. That’s the reading of the electorate and everybody can see this.
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Really, anon? Ashamed, misread? I suspect that you are a bit one eyed here.
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Leadership would be getting on with the job, not responding to petty name calling, much of which has been generated by labor themselves anyway. Leadership would be getting the discussion back on track, talking through policies, cutting through the spin. Getting results for tax payers!
This was absolutely not leadership. I bet my bottom dollar a female CEO standing in front of the board with this tirade would not be praised for her leadership skills. Gillard is CEO of this country. She should earn that title.
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Have been following your posts, probably because your name stands out! I only agree with you about being called a girl! You are thoughtful and articulate but I don’t think we are going to agree. I think this was leadership and I think she has earned it. I think it was the first step in getting the discussion “back on track.” Your average CEO doesn’t have to operate in a parliamentary environment nor with the whole world watching.
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This is a wonderful piece of writing and I agree with it totally…….
Julia Gillard’s dramatic speech was the “speech we had to have”.
Our first female Prime Minister has an historical duty to speak on behalf of all of those desperate women – some of them our early relatives, who endured years of abuse, discrimination, bashing, sexual torment, blatant sexism & outrageous treatment at the hands of the men in their lives and society and often simply because they had the gall to say NO !.
It really pains me to see and hear spiteful criticism from other women.
You don’t have to agree with her politics to grant her this one – this brave attack on the sexists in parliament and our society at the risk of losing the one thing that politicians fear – voters.
As for her charges of misogyny – maybe she actually does know something that we don’t.
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Great article. Very disappointed in mainstream newspapers dismissive reaction to Gillard’s champion speech. Impassioned and fearless yet the mingyminded Age commentators bag it en masse. Grattan no surprise being so Gillard averse. Gordon and Crabb presumably keen to appear politically neutral as per Anna Burke yesterday when she seemed to reneg on previous unqualified support. So why not get another commentator to give Gillard’s speech coverage it deserves? Ironically the Rudd-leaker Oakes gives best response – see online. My personal theory is Age blew chance to front up to possibly the most epoch-defining speech since Gough’s ” Well may we say…” because they were already committed to running the investigative Gillard-AWU pieces featured in Thurs and Sat editions.
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I have never liked Julia Gillard. Until. this. speech.
A week ago, if an election had been called immediately, I would have voted Greens or invalid. I thought that she was a puppet – with the strings pulled by the mysterious ALP henchmen who engineered the KR take-down. I have clicked my tongue and shaken my head at newspaper articles, blog posts and news segments which reported Gillard’s bland and everlasting ‘don’t be offensive – to anyone’ dance.
As a (little l) liberal human being, I screamed at the television when she voted against marriage equality, more enraged by her ‘no’ vote than by Abbott’s, because at least he genuinely believed his vote. I wanted our Prime Minister to show us who she is – and I could not believe that a woman of her lifestyle (atheist and living with a man while unmarried – a lifestyle not unlike my own) would personally be against marriage equality.
As a woman, last week I cried watching her speech. I had been away when she gave the speech so I watched it on the internet when I returned. Then I watched it again, with hope rising in my heart and fire kindling in my belly. I have experienced sexism at work – as recently as this week. I am a strong woman and I am filled with a silent rage every time I experience it (which is not uncommon, unfortunately).
I don’t care about Peter Slipper’s text messages anymore than I care about Peter Abbott’s almost adopted son or Julia Gillard’s crooked ex-boyfriend. I have a vagina – and you know what, I don’t care if Slipper referred to it as a mollusc or whatever he said. I’ve made some less than glowing comments about scrotums in the past and I don’t hate men. I’m not huge on scrotums, but I don’t hate them, or the men that own them. I googled the text messages to see if I would react to them – they read, to me, as raunchy flirtatious banter. Which, if unwanted, are absolutely sexual harassment towards Mr Ashby. The comments about Ms Mirabella (sp?) were unkind, but I don’t believe they were necessarily sexist.
Julia Gillard just won my vote, which was well and truly up-for-grabs.
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I’ve always liked her, but agree with the rest of your comment! So frustrating as a liberal person to see the party that should be representing what you think is right to be pandering to the right with regards to things like marriage equality, asylum seekers, welfare…
I also don’t find the text messages a drama either.
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Fantastic article! This, this this and THIS! Nodding all the way along. Thank you.
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Great article. I couldnt help but feel swept away in the moment when I was listening to it. It makes me happy to think maybe the Boys club mentality in politics (thats how it appears from the outside anyway) was turned on its head for at least a moment.
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I think Julia Baird has nailed it.
I’m still not a fan of Prime Minister Gillard as I find her disingenuous.
That said, sexism in politics is rife and the PM said many things that women across the country would like to say (or to have said) at some point in their lives.
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What I love about this article is for the first time I’m not feeling like the author is panicking for her side of politics. She’s not trying to convince the “others” that Julia rocks or Abbott isn’t sexist, or what ever your political argument might be. It’s an analysis of the events, acknowledging that we are being governed by a minority Government, and the obvious game playing and deal making or breaking because of their precarious leadership situations. Put all of that aside and lets just analyze what’s happened, don’t try and convince me to jump to your side of the parliamentary tennis court because you’re scared of the polling numbers. Love her, loathe her, whatever…it WAS a significant speech made by the PM.
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Abbott doesn’t hate women – he just thinks he’s better because he’s a man and is “physiologically and temperamentally” more suited to issue commands and wield power. In my book that’s a pretty good definition of sexism
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That’s great that she’s had her opportunity to say what she thought about Abbot. We can all identify with those feelings but at the end of the day our politicians should be running the country not making personal attacks against each other.
It was actually the worst possible time to do this. She had just allowed Slipper to resign from a post he should have been ceremoniously dumped from for absolutely disgusting comments. He should have got what was coming to him, but didn’t because Julia put her own political advantage ahead of calling slipper for his mysogynist’s comments. We need leadership not school ground name-calling.
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Agreed. Best article on this yet. Thank you!! It’s every thought I have had about this in the last week or so expressed More eloquently and with better background than my ramblings to anyone who’ll listen! Now I’ll just forward this and say “what she said!”
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To be fair there has been some other very good commentary on this in other media in recent days. I read a fantastic piece the other day that was particularly insightful. This Julia Baird article is very good too – but certainly not the best (or the first to go along these lines) analysis out there
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She didn’t lose my vote!! Just strengthened my determination to vote!!
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“It struck a chord because she made a speech millions of women have rehearsed in their heads for years – against a colleague, boss or opponent they consider to be obnoxious or sexist – but never made.” – This is spot on, highlighting sexism in the workplace comes at a price, despite all the anti descrimination and sexual harassment legislation and bravo to the most senior woman in the country for taking a stand.
Thanks for a thoughtfully written piece.
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Thanks Julia,
Best article on this issue to date
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